I wish Miyazaki would pop his clogs already so we could have less Spirited Away/Princess Mononoke/etc type movies, and more Whisper of the Heart/Umi ga Kikoeru/etc type movies.
My First Anime amirite?
i raged a little
But if you're serious anhero now
you best be joking nigger.
His new film looks fucking great.
movies = teh suxxz0rz
12 episode series ftw
Hold on. Umi ga kikoeru was actually GOOD, faggots.
Spirited Away was great. Princess Mononoke kinda sucked my balls. Anyone who disagrees is a furry.
Just kill yourself.
like naruto *o*
I'm completely serious. Whisper of the Heart, Umi ga Kikoeru and Grave of the Fireflies are all great movies not directed by Miyazaki.
I'll be celebrating the day he days so Studio Ghilbi can be released from his evil clutches.
My Neighbors the Yamadas is the best Ghibli movie.
There's so many things wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.
By the way, I can't wait for Gaku no ue no Ponyo. Oh how I wish I could see this in theaters.
Omoide Poro-poro is another great movie, completely untainted by that old twat.
>I don't know where to begin because he's completely correct.
miyazaki only made 3 decent films. porco, cagliostro and howl. they rest are just glorified scenic pans that make me want to go kill animals
What did you like about the Howl movie?
Classic miyazaki methood
*opening scenic pan
*scenic town pan, long pan of sky
*other character appearing during panning of forest
*long pan of mountain rivers sky
*seemingly pointless animal scenes and forest panning
*a hint of a plot
*panning panning, battle, panning
*plot is lost
*panpanpanpan run out of time/money
Unfortunately, Japan has an average life expectancy of 82. He may very well taint Studio Ghibli for another 20 years. :(
Unless he does the usual thing people do: RETIRE.
honestly? howls pants.
about 40 minutes in i lose whats actually supposed to be happening and listen to the music and watch the lake pans. then i wake up again when howl changes into a salmon shirt and the movies over
Which film does this describe exactly?
Wow, sounds like every movie ever made. When will they learn to stop doing scenic pans and just have a single close-up shot of a character's face the entire movie?
Naussicaa is still my favorite film of his because it's the most intelligent and unique.
EARTHSEA WAS THE WORST ANIMOO FILM I HAVE EVER HAD HE DISPLEASURE OF DOWNLOADING AND BEING REALLY FUCKING BORED AND BOOKNERDRAGED BY
..i tell a bit of a lie, I also loved the book and thought this was a nice .... retelling of it...even though it was quite frightfully dissimilar. also the flow of the story and physical comedy elements to the characters was quite nice. They all had very individual body language. Until all that stupid shit starts happening its a very awesome and beautiful film with an amazing soundtrack.
> we find out he's a paedophile
this would make me laugh uncontrollably for hours.
Oh come on. Seriously try harder. You're not even coming up with legitimate criticisms of his films. That list is bullshit.
WRONG MIYAZAKI CAPSLOCK
Miyazaki films are my fucking favorite.
all the shitty boring ones
of maybe even learn how to pace a film so you haven't completely forgotten the beginning by the time the end comes around. Ive nothing against BEAUTY, just pointless irrelevant uselessness that adds 40 minutes to a film and kills your interest and the pacing
miyazaki: too precious about his detailed drawing of a mountain to leave it on the cutting room floor. A great artist, but not a great director
What was wrong with Princess Mononoke? I loved it.
I've never had that problem with any of his films. Honestly. They're all well-paced and very interesting throughout.
The only one I didn't like of all his films was Howls Moving Castle. It was rather generic for him.
Realism is something I treasure in anime, and there's very little of realism outside of Ghibli. Perhaps it's Miyazaki's projects which restrict the studio from attempting other projects -- which are based around realism -- and therefore Miyazaki must die.
Give me a fucking break. This MIGHT describe somebody like Shinkai if you didn't like his style (and I do, but that's a different argument). However Miyazaki's films are NOT about scenic settings and he's very good at telling a story about characters.
>When will they learn to stop doing scenic pans and just have a single close-up shot of a character's face the entire movie?
Haven't you seen the Fellowship of the ring movie? It has a nice 10 minute close up of Frodo's face looking out at the river.
tl;dr: I don't want to watch some fucking pigs save the world.
>Realism is something I treasure in anime
Oh god, good luck with that. You must like what, 2 animes ever?
that's not even hayao miyazaki, though. btw i've seen it today and i partially agree, i was disappointed.
3 come to mind, perhaps there's more but I haven't gave it too much thought.
Umi ga Kikoeru
Grave of the Fireflies
Whisper of the Heart
>>However Miyazaki's films are NOT about scenic settings and he's very good at telling a story about characters.
>>telling a story about characters
That's why he kept telling the same story since 15 years with, few details apart, the same characters ?
I like Miyazaki art, but the only Miyazaki movies I love are the one which do not enter in the same and eternal pattern of girl/boy, nature vs human society, and so on. Because he just kept doing the same thing, over and over. With little improvement...
>However Miyazaki's films are NOT about scenic settings and he's very good at telling a story about characters.
Different guy here, oh wow. He's horrible at "telling a story about characters" because in most of his films, the majority of the film could've been scraped and nothing of any real value would be lost. For instance, Spirited Away. You can take out most of the bathhouse scenes, and the traveling scenes and the movie is still basically the same.
You're just getting swayed by useless scenes which are just made to show off his stupid animal monsters.
Definitely a film made outside of his usual 'style'. It was most memorable for me because it was the first time i had been to see a film of his and been surprised and entertained by the content, and definitely the first time i watched a cinema audience laugh and emote in unison at one of his films. Though it was another case of it being really pretty great for the first half, then distraction by scenery and a quick rush to fit the last part of the plot in. 'oh turnip is the prince by the way THE END'
i...didnt really understand that sentence...but if realism is something you treasure then you should probably not be watching escapist fantasy fairy tales
Out of those three I'm only conversant with grave of the fireflies. Which is BAAWW. Are you suggesting more BAAW films instead of the happy endings that most Miyazaki movies have?
>the first time i had been to see a film of his
That explains why you and everyone else on earth liked it. After seeing all of his films, it was more of the same kind of thing he always does, but even less original than usual.
Naussicaa, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, and My Neighbor Totoro were his best films. It's pretty well agreed upon by most.
Nope, the other two don't have a sad ending. What they share in common is that they're realistic.
Then stop watching miyazaki. Scenic Man vs Nature are his forte it's unreasonable for you to ask him to change all of a sudden.
Grave of the Fireflies was NOT MIYAZAKI
WE KNOW. I'M SAYING THEY'RE GREAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MIYAZAKI.
Spirited Away sucked. Most of it was useless bullshit art and the pacing change right near the end was way too quick. And the whole "oh ya I drowned in that river and you saved me, omg now it's like we've been in love the entire movie holy shit" right out of fucking nowhere. And the witches ending of "oh I was just a little angry it's ok now" that was bullshit too.
Ah I fucking hate Spirited Away.
I think the first miyazaki film i was knowingly tricked into was kikis delivery service. nothing happened for like 2 hours and then it ended. I was assured and assured that mononoke was different. But it was about nothing. for two hours. and then it ended. I was SO HAPPY when howls moving castle was ABOUT something that i honestly didnt care that it was generic-ish and cheap-ish. stuff happened. i was SO HAPPY that stuff happened. even when he turned into a furry i forgave him.
I never said Grave of The BAW was Miyazaki, I just said it was Baaw.
There's one person in this thread who is easily distinguishable by the way he types. Heh.
i also add my hatred of the fact its release created so many miyazaki SNOBS over here.
theyre not all me I swear. I think some of us just went into 'college debate mode'
wherein everybody forgets to capitalize i?
hi guys i talk like a miyazaki hater. SHIT was soooo pretention anyway ima go watch elfen lied now
>>Then stop watching miyazaki. Scenic Man vs Nature are his forte it's unreasonable for you to ask him to change all of a sudden.
>>Scenic Man vs Nature are his forte
I know, but his "forte" is kinda low.
Seriously, Nausicaa was good in its own time because ecology was just starting to spread but Princesse Mononoke ? "Men are baaaaaaad, guuuunns...WRATH OF THE NATURE"
And I'm watching all new Miyazaki works mainly for the animation.
>Nothing happened in Mononoke but something happened in Howl's Moving bullshit
Are you fucking insane? In Mononoke they introduce the nightwalker and the forest spirit thing fairly early on, and the whole nature vs. man thing(although reused, is still a story) and the workers going out to hunt for its head, and then they have to return it etc. etc. Mononoke although it had a very similar general plot to his other films, almost every scene is somewhat important. Except maybe walking through the town and the lepers and shit.
In Howls moving castle, random girl meets random evil witch gets turned old, goes to castle does useless shit. Useless shit for awhile, until she goes to town and finds out witch is not evil, random lady they just bring in is evil. Then Howl who was previously afraid of her loses his fear within seconds(lol character development) they get chased around for ever useless bullshit. Then that storyline is dropped for no reason and it becomes about how he met calcifer and has no heart, witch randomly becomes evil again and then story abruptly ends and HOLY SHIT ONION IS A PRINCEohoknevermind movie over.
hahaha, too lazy for capslock. That's not all me either, I cant type that fast at 2am.
ITT we discover that we can go in to detail for movies our favourite movies, but make huge generalizations for our most hated movies.
That's not true and you know it. You can go in details for everything you're really extreme about (either positive or negative). But most Miyazaki works were made some years ago, so I'm sure many Anonymous as me have forgotten these "details".
Okay, now I'm 100% convinced that /a/ hates everything.
Miyazaki movies are awesome, someone else said it bu I'm going to echo it, if you don't like his themes then fucking drop it.
I'm absolutely sick of sentences such as 'random girl meets random evil witch gets turned old' which is used in almost every literary criticism thread on /a/ up to date.
Umi ga Kikoeru/Ocean Waves and Whisper of the Heart are my favorite Ghibli movies. I agree but I love Miyazaki movies as well.
Did you even watch that movie?
Need I remind you that Eboshi's motivations were very far from the stereotypical villain you might expect. In fact we learn that she's not only empowering women but also helping lepers.
Yes, the movie has a very strong environmental method but Miyazaki DOES show both sides of the story. Hell, Ashitaka even goes back to help start up the iron town at the end of the story.
I don't know how you missed all that.
I dunno if that was me you quoted but it might as well have been. I should rephrase. It wasn't that nothing happened in mononoke, but saw it all coming. Theres was not one twist or surprise and really if you watch the start you can summise the end. I was at least surprised at events in howls moving castle.
Fuck yeah Grave of the Fireflies.
ITT idiots. I never once said I hated Miyazaki movies, but rather that I hate the larger proportion of the Studio's time being allocated to his projects.
nahh everyone likes a bit of miyazaki, no matter how repeditive he gets. Nice discussion though.
I don't know why you're quoting me.
I agree. ghibli make some amazing films, and miyazaki is an amazing artist....but he really shouldn't be the man in charge. (nor should his son)
Fireflies is amazing and can't really be faulted.
In Mononoke you predicted that the spirit things head would be cut off, go on a rampage, destroy everything and that they'd have to return it? Or that the woman leading the women in town was actually a selfish bitch?
And of course you couldn't guess what was going to happen in Howls Moving Castle. I don't think even Miyazaki saw what was coming in his own fucking movie. It randomly drops storylines and goes off on unexplained, silly tangents and then randomly drops those too.
I still think his best character story telling move was Kiki's Delivery Service.
enough to make the movie listless and predictable.
miyazaki cant take too much flack/credit for howls plot since he did take it mostly from the book.
silly tangents are the trademark of hayao miyazaki, methinks
It doesn't matter if Miyazaki stops making films, Studio Ghibli has had its greatest profits from his films. The studio will try to repeat the formula until it stops being successful.
>>Fireflies is amazing and can't really be faulted.
Apart from being a Japanese WW2 wankfest of victimization ?
haha well i think every country likes to cinematicly grope themselves every now and again
There was no pro-war propaganda, no excuses for Japan's government, as far as I remember there weren't even an soldiers in it and if they were it was only in a nominal role.
The movie was about the victims of war. Damn, if you can't even understand that...
>miyazaki cant take too much flack/credit for howls plot since he did take it mostly from the book.
LOL NO. Even the author of the book said the movie was nothing like the book after a while. Miyazaki made Howl's script. Maybe not the first 1/3 but certainly all the inane bullshit that was the other 2/3rds.
Totoro is the only good Miyazaki movie.
If anything, it's a damning condemnation of the way Japan's pride lead to its downfall...
Kiki's Delivery Service was his best movie AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE GARBAGE
Honestly I preferred the movie. The book is pretty good but it spends way too much time focusing on John Donne's poem. Halfway through it also crosses into the real world which I didn't like.
Both were great AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE GARBAGE.
Don't bring LOL's into this. I read that book many many times as a kid and they're the same basic thing. Miyazaki changed the character of howl into the uh.. anorexic 'bishounen' character we've come to know and expect, and calcifer into a pikachu, but it's still recognisable as the book it was based on. I hesitate to say that I preferred the film. (if im permitted to skip past 20 minutes of nonesense)
Miyazaki goes into periods of just silence, or periods where nothing at all happens. That's fine if he's just making a little movie no one cares about, but hearing about how all of his movies are so fucking fantastic, when there's a good deal of repetition between all of them, quickly gets old.
I liked Princess Mononoke, but it was nothing new. The whole "WHO WAS RIGHT???" thing is worn out, and it seemed as much more a cop out than anything else, especially considering this is the same guy who can have 10 minute long scenes were absolutely nothing happens.
I can watch slow, old movies pretty easily, even if they seem uneventful, with the example being Napoleon, made in 1927, all silent and 4 hours long, but Miyazaki has scenes totally devoid of purpose altogether. And yet his movies are heavily lauded.
I didn't like Hellsing, for example, but I don't talk about it and don't complain when other people are talking about it because no one says it's the hottest shit ever created. With Miyazaki this isn't the case, and it's annoying as hell seeing it get all this praise when it has obvious flaws.
I agree with you. The other thing who bothers me about Miyazaki is that too many people can only quote "Miyazaki" when asked about japanese animation while there are many works of wonder out there.
I concur. I, too, can put up with movies which are uneventful—Ikiru comes to mind notably—but these 10 minute events of doing nothing only seem to serve as a distraction in his movies. Another example which is notorious for this is 2001: A Space Odyssey. By the end, the viewer has completely forgot they were staring at a pitch black screen for 5 minutes so it suddenly has value when they rewatch it and discover what it was! This is mostly due to overdrawn scenes which allows the viewer to walk off on a tangent appreciating the detail or such.
Ikiru had a ton of style in it, along with pretty much every other Kurosawa films, to the point that he CAN have a scene where nothing at all happens as long as it looks gorgeous.
Stray Dog's a good example of that: there are scenes where a character is just looking at crowds of people, regular people moving about in a street, and it's still interesting because of the way it's shot.
Miyazaki, on the other hand, has akward shots of nothing. First one that comes to mind is out of Howl's Moving Castle, when that little girl that got turned into an old woman just goes out into a yard and looks around. The shot's taken from above her head and shows absolutely nothing either. What the fuck.
He does NOT going into period where NOTHING happens. I never noticed this in any of his films.
And if you're going to go all college film critic on me, I can do the same. I had a class for film critique. We watched everything from the Battleship Potemik to The Seven Deadly Sins to Saboteur.
I convinced the teacher to check out some Miyazaki films and she absolutely loved them. Made the whole class watch Naussicaa. Most of the class loved it. Nobody complained of boredom or anything like what you're saying.
I'll have to disagree. Miyazaki shots are gorgeous whereas Kurosawa shots are not gorgeous! My point is that Miyazaki shots, while gorgeous, set the scene about nothing; whereas Kurosawa is certainly displaying something in Ikiru with his scenes seemingly about nothing. There's a big difference, in my opinion.
For comparison's sake:
1: Princess Mononoke where she drinks out of the river -- I believe it served no purpose apart from the 'gorgeousness' of it.
2: Ikiru where he is carefully, slowly stamping documents -- I believe it shows the patheticness of his life
I guess it's a difference in film and anime, in general. I do not expect a film to display a scenic shot of something unless it's specifically central to the current moment (such as a romantic moment.) However, it seems to be normal for anime to display scenic shots not necessarily related to the current moment, but solely to impress the viewer by distracting his attention from the story -- the guy who directed 5cm is a notorious example of this.
You're not going "film critic" on me, you're not even saying why I'm wrong other than "some people liked it and they know things", which is exactly why I think Miyazaki is overrated.
I said that I liked the way things looked in certain movies, but that Miyazaki often didn't have nice looking scenes at all. That's got nothing to do with film criticism; I'm just looking for a film that does a good job with the whole "film" part.
I have no idea what you're saying, but I liked this part:
>>Miyazaki shots are gorgeous whereas Kurosawa shots are not gorgeous!
I don't have any problem with people enjoying his movies, but the fact that people constantly talk about his movies as being the best anime out there bugs me. Y'all wasted my time.
because they hadnt seen princess mononoke already or any of his other films. at first impact he's good. then his routines are obvious and they are just boring