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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
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Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101032170
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>learning stroke order
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>>101118579
>implying it's difficult
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>>101118999
>tfw you write a B in 院
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>>101118999
>implying it isn't useless
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ふ is just a 3... or not?
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>>101119332
>implying it doesn't make reading others' handwriting easier

>>101119437
You're thinking of ろ
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でもそれは禁止される恋愛!
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>>101119514
>implying it does
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You forgot your image, so I'll try to guess. Is this forbidden love?
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この日の舞台は、計四幕
Very first line of Soukou Akki Muramasa, what the fuck is 計四幕? The fourth act?
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>>101121223
計 total
四幕 4 acts

Don't read Muramasa yet.
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How do you say something is dead, 死んでいる?
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>>101121286
If you are currently observing it's corpse, then yes.
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>>101120939
>implying you would know even if you didn't try it first
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>>101121285
I'm doing it to struggle and hate myself and because I've ran out of stuff to read.
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あのさ、だれか「あの夏で待っている」ってアニメ見たことない?

あの結末はなんなんだ
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>>101121374
>implying you would know
>>101121378
>I've ran out of stuff to read
bullshit
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>>101121183
いいえ、女子が女子を愛することはいけない
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>tons of people in the IRC
>completely dead
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>>101121378
I got through it. You can do it if you go slowly.
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>>101121378
More like you haven't bothered to find other stuff. There are tons of things on par with or at least not much worse than Muramasa that aren't as hard.
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>>101121495
そうですね。18未満の人たちが法律上承諾できないので、どれだけお互いを好きでいても、肉体関係をしてはいけないというのは常識です。
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>>101121684
>There are tons of things on par with or at least not much worse than Muramasa
Now that's just wrong.
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>>101121569
Right. No one talks at all. I'm starting to think they're all bots.
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>>101121223
How do you people read these hard to read games?
Do you add each unknown kanji and word to anki and check the meaning?
Because I'm sure there are tons of kanji you only find while playing it.
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>>101121750
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the language level/difficulty

unless he wasn't
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>>101121870
All of those kanji are very common and are used in many words.
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>>101121872
That wouldn't really make sense because
>that aren't as hard

>>101121870
You start by learning japanese. And yes, you look up the meaning. Adding it to anki is optional, but often helpful. It's the same thing you do when reading anything else, but it just happens more often.

>>101121914
That's true, but there is plenty of stuff in there that you really would have to work to see anywhere else. 元寇 comes to mind.
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>>101121870
>How do you people read these hard to read games?
the usual way is to learn to read

>Because I'm sure there are tons of kanji you only find while playing it.
I read it over two years ago, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case--at least not for me
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>>101121684
例えば?

ここは/a/だからお前は連絡しないだろう

だけど、俺は多いVNが出来た。そして今、難しい物がしかないんだ。
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>>101122029
Dude you don't know who the fuck you're talking to.

I've read 10 WHOLE VNs. And that's not even including fandisks.
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>>101122029
Well, tons was a bit of an exaggeration, but have you read Himawari?
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>>101122029
???
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>>101122029
日本語がオカスイ

デナオシテキナ
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>>101122347
ねー、「おかしいよ!」だけ言ってないで、ちゃんと手伝ってみたらどうかな?
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>>101122762
Read more VNs. You clearly haven't read many (reading them in English doesn't count)
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>>101122895
僕はあの人じゃないんだけど
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>>101123021
いやだ、キモいが移ったらやただし
お前がやれ
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>>101123193
やろうとしたんだけど、やっぱめんどくさいなぁ
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>>101122762
意味がわからないから手伝えないんだけど…

>俺はたくさんのVNをやってきた。だから今は難しいVNしか残ってない。

って言いたかったのかな?
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>>101123924
御前阿呆哉
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>>101124158
Please get that chinese shit out of this thread.
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>>101124760
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>>101124847
But I was replying just for you.

Maybe it's destiny.
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>>101124847
I hope someday someone will post this image as reply to one of my posts.
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>>101124760
漢字濫用嫌人、俺理解出来無
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>>101125009
そんな遊びよりちゃんと日本語で書き込みした方がいいんじゃない?
間違いを指摘されるのが怖いと分かってるつもりだけど、練習しないと上達できないのよ?分かってれよね?
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>>101125306
>分かってれよね
硝子的家住人不石投筈
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>>101122762
適当に直しまーす

>ここは/a/だからお前は連絡しないだろう
意味不明
なにが言いたい?

>だけど、俺は多いVNが出来た。
「多くのエロゲを読めてきた」って言いたかっただろう?
ちなみになぜ俺(名詞)を使う?男前だとかかっこいいと思ってんの? 
アニメ見すぎ

>そして今、難しい物がしかないんだ。
また地味に間違ってるし
日本語ってむずいよねー
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>>101125691
単ミスにこだわるなんてアホな証
その知力で生活大丈夫か?w
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>>101126046
*の証
また単ミスしちゃった
ちょーはずかしい
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> 私がきのう見た映画は独逸の映画だった。
Was flipping through my basic grammar dictionary, and came across this sentence.

Since when could verbs be used like adjectives? (見た映画) What would I look up for more information on this particular pattern?
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>>101126632
>Since when could verbs be used like adjectives?
Since forever.
>What would I look up for more information on this particular pattern?
Try any textbook or grammar reference.
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>>101126632
That's how clauses are made. If you want to get into linguistic explanations, い adjectives ARE verbs. I don't know any resource that really treats this, because it's so ubiquitous.
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>>101126632
you're overthinking it
this part of grammar works exactly like english

the running man 逃げる男
the singing bird 歌っていた鳥
the watched prisoner 観察された囚人
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Welcome to Japanese, any part of speech can become any part of speech.
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>>101126707
>>101126704
> い adjectives ARE verbs.
Welp.

Genki implicity lead me to believe that verbs couldn't be used like that for some reason. Any babby reference should have some information on it, but what the fuck do I even look up? I tried DoBJG, to no avail.
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>>101126799
Is the fragment typically in short or long form?
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>>101126919
I'm not sure what you want to hear. Verbs can modify nouns directly, and they can mean a lot of things when they do.

For example, 英語を習った先生 can mean both "the teacher who learned English" and "the teacher I learned English from" (usually the latter, but this is not the most obvious meaning to the new student). Now go forth with your new knowledge, and read things.
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>>101126919
I guarantee it's in Genki 1, in one of the earlier chapters.. You either read it wrong, or haven't gotten very far.
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Rikaichan is like a gift from the Gods for language learning. Why isn't there anything like this for other languages? You would think it would be easier for every other language, since they actually have spaces between words.
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>>101127123
×Rikaichan is like a gift from the Gods for language learning
○Meth is like a gift from the Gods for language learning
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>>101127177
>needing meth to function at the average level
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>>101127123
When I found the save function in Rikaichan I was reading like a madman.
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>>101127177
Meth fucks you up long-term, and dependence is guaranteed.

Nootropics are where it's at. Piracetam ahoy.
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>>101127355
>Nootropics are where it's at. Piracetam ahoy.
I mean, placebos are cool too, but I prefer caffeine at that point.
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>>101127307
How does save help you? I never really understood the purpose of it...
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>>101127405
> Placebo.
> Piracetam.
> A two-week regimen of piracetam was reported in 1976 to enhance verbal memory in healthy college students in a double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Are you always this idiotic?
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If you want to talk about drugs at least do it Japanese
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>>101127468
He uses meth, what do you expect?
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Where exactly does one acquire nootropics anyway? I thought they didn't sell them in Canada?
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>>101127504
매일 대마초를 흡연
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>>101127504
Don't you fucking tell me what to do.
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>>101127468
I bet you think aspartame is harmless, too.
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>>101127429
Helps me because obscure words I only see once go into my review list for later.

Takes a lot of the work out of it for me. I simply just import the list of words each week into Anki.
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>>101127504
こいつら日本語喋れるなんて

笑わせないでよ
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>>101128127
(キリッ
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>>101128056
Oh I see... that's a good idea... thanks.
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>>101128127
たまには面白い会話があるけどね
最近、日本語率が高い気がする
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How difficult of a read are the Haruhi Suzumiya LNs? Pretty interested in trying to read them, but I don't really want to take the time to try them if they're way out of my league.
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>>101128698
Truer words have never been said.
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>>101128502
自分でみたら?
http://www.sos-dan.ru/files/novels/jp/01.html
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>>101128502
What's wrong with just trying? You'll never get better if you don't read things slightly out of your league anyway.
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Is んの another explanatory ending?

>カッコつけてんの
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>>101128951
この身分不相応なモノでも試せ(チンコを掴む)
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>>101129425
ちょっと何言ってるかわからないです
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>>101129321
In this case んの is an alteration of るの
→カッコつけてるの
You will sometimes see a similar thing with the negative imperative.
するな→すんな
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>>101129679
That clears up a lot, thank you. These shortened forms are giving me the most trouble.
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mage
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Does anyone have a download/torrent for Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru vol. 1

The one on nyaa torrent is dead and I don't really know where I'd go about looking for raw light novels.
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朕は天皇ですけど
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Quick question. Is ちがう considered polite? I've heard that it translates into "not exactly" or "not quite" which is right up my alley for what I need to say sometimes. I just doesn't see polite for some reason.
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>>101134744
If you were being polite you would never tell someone that they are wrong.
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Does anyone have tips on how to start writing Kanji and remembering it well? I know where to find proper stroke order etc I'm just wondering what kind of daily system I could implement like writing ten kanji ten times a day, then a different ten the next then at the end of the week write all of the kanji I practiced writing throughout week all at once
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>>101135858
Download a stroke order font, add a second instance of your kanji field to your card using it. Write when you see a new word, write when you get it wrong.

Don't get too hung up on writing, though. I spent 3 months with 4-5 hour daily reps because I was trying to perfect everything.
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>>101125980
>ちなみになぜ俺(名詞)を使う?男前だとかかっこいいと思ってんの? アニメ見すぎ

日本に行ってこい 「俺」って非常に一般的だけど お前こそ何で「思ってんの」って言ってる?かっこいいとでも思ってるのか?アニメ見すぎてる、ちゃんとした日本語勉強してこい
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I have a problem with this sentence, can anyone translate this?
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>>101136890
>ちゃんとした日本語勉強してこい

何で?俺がかっこいいゆえにかっこいい言葉を使う
日本人は俺の足をなめるべき
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rage
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蕊蘂蕋
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Can anyone give me a name of the site that had manga with written out japanese on the panels so you could look them up with rikaichan?
I need shit to do at my nightshifts.
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>>101136890
>「俺」って非常に一般的だけど
へー
ここは日本なのか?お前らは日本人?
何ゆえに日本語も喋れない外人は一般的な口調を使うの?
気持ち悪いなーwww

>ちゃんとした日本語勉強してこい
いつから君のようなにわかに言われる筋合いになっただろ
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Can I learn Japanese?
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>>101142242
no, you can't learn japanese
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>>101128698
I thought a ぬ conjugated verb, like ならぬ here, could only be used to modify nouns. Is that wrong? If so, could please give usage examples?
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>>101141056
>何ゆえに日本語も喋れない外人は一般的な口調を使うの?
>気持ち悪いなーwww
意味不明
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>>101137786
I don't really get this without its context, but I'll try:
>いや、遠慮します
No, I'll think about it/decline
>こちらも何度もリアクションされんの
It's the same with me. No matter how many times I try I get a reaction.
>ウゼーから
=うるさいから. Because it's annoying.

Put in full it's probably
No, I'll decline. It's annoying. No matter how many times I try I get a reaction.
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>>101142242
If you study and get a Japanese girlfriend then it's very possible.
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>>101143463

How about a Japanese boyfriend?
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>>101145051
How about both?
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>>101145108

You mean separately? Or the /d/ kind?
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>>101145051
If he's patient enough to explain a lot of shit to you (caring -> feminine -> gay) then go for it. I've found that most straight Japanese men aren't really willing to do that.
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>>101145189
so I cant learn japanese if i'm a girl?
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>>101145258
You can't learn it if you're THE girl.
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>>101145258
Only if you engage in forbidden love.
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>>101145258
Do a language exchange with a nice girl then.

I'm just saying that having a Japanese significant other makes the learning process a lot faster and easier.
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>>101145302
girls can`t love girls!
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>>101145347
>cue youtube video of gaijin girl in clearly abusive relationship where the police do nothing
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>>101145426
Rachel & Jun on youtube seem happy together.
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Post your recent milestones.

I can now read kana and certain common kanji and jukugo and instantly have them register as text in my head as soon as I see them without having to think about it.
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>>101145929
I finally started actually studying again, after about a year of doing absolutely nothing. It's not much, but it's something I guess.
I'm working on converting all my old kanji/vocab notebooks that I've long forgotten into anki cards. Hopefully I can relearn most of it and finally start working on 'new' stuff within a week or so.
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>>101145781
>>101145426
> Going to Japan on a sex tour as a woman.
Sounds backwards as fuck. Don't they have three inch dicks?
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>>101140642
No suggestions? I really want to read up on something online. Futaba is an option, but I'd rather read a story with pictures. My japanese is weak.
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>>101142962
>I thought a ぬ conjugated verb, like ならぬ here, could only be used to modify nouns
You forget that the entire first part of the sentence before the は essentially acts as a noun.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/negativeverbs2
韓国人と結婚してはならぬ!
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>>101145929
Finally finished Tae kim while still doing core2k/6k and im going through Haruka na Sora with ITH at the moment. It feels great when I can see particles and words being conjugated a certain way and just instantly get what they are trying to do for the most part.
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>>101148069
How long did it take you.
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双葉や2ch、他の日本語サイトなどへの遍歴のつもりがある
4chや英語サイトの閲覧を避けて自分の日本語能力を鍛えてみせる
できるかな、4chを避けるなんて今までしたことない
まあやってみないと分からないからやる
それじゃまたねキモオタ共
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>>101148114
If its regarding Tae kim, it took me about month.
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Am I wrong in thinking these threads are ridiculously slow compared to a few months ago? Do people only study in the summer or something?
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>>101148400
多分
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>>101148400
The number of new people is pretty steady and before and after a certain point, most questions can be found in a grammar book or though a google search. Not to mention it's not even Euro prime time, yet.
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>>101148544
People live in Europe?
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>>101148400
Everyone is fluent in Japanese now
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>>101148617
When the english gets wonky and the shitposting less shitty, it's eurofag time. Then 3pm 4chan time rolls around and the first wave of high school kids gets online.
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>>101148400
I wouldn't be surprised if people just stopped participating and only drop in from time to time. The majority of the posts in djt are either whose method of study is better or a derail into /pol/ territory.
I know that's the reason I stay out of the thread.
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「大切なもの」がなんなのか、たとえ気づいていたとしても。。。

This is part of that たとえ-ても construction right? How does it work with a verb in past tense like that? Or am I over thinking this?
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>>101148771
I will concede the wonky English point, but I would argue that the shitposting never really gets any better throughout the day, just takes different forms depending on whether it's early morning, daytime, or night.
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>>101148882
>how does it work
Isn't it just "Even if I had noticed [what the precious thing is]"?
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>>101149208
>noticed
More like realized, but you get the point.
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When is it time to start using わし?
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what are some good easy moege visual novels?
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>>101149288
When you want to come off as a creepy oyaji.
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>>101149370
星空のメモリア。
I've heard ひまわり is pretty easy too, haven't gotten around to reading it myself yet, though.
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>>101149716
Himawari isn't moege
>>101149370
All of them are easy. Focus on finding a good one.
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>>101150209
Whoops, forgot the moege part. It is supposed to be easy though, yeah?
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>>101148771
Jokes on you I'm in highschool and it's not 3 yet.
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>>101150782
Reported.
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>>101150804
reported for announcing a report
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>>101150804
Reported for announcing reported.
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I'm not sure if I'm completely missing something, so help me out:
図書館 is library, using the kanji illustration + write + building, which makes perfectly sense.
But the pronunciation is としょかん, which is absolutely nothing similar with the kanji that compose the word.
So although I can maybe figure out the meaning of 図書館 just by knowing the individual kanji, I'll never be able to pronounce the word if I hadn't heard it before, even if I know the pronunciation of 図 and 書 and 館. Right?
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>>101148314
How are you liking it so far? I'm actually playing through Mashiro Iro Symphony currently and loving every second of it. Been meaning to play through the fandisc sometime, maybe ill do it after.
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>>101152307
Kanji have many different readings and their common ones will become apparent once you learn more. Usually, when they're by themselves they have one common reading. When they're in a compound word, they have another. But one kanji can have a ton of readings, so don't expect to always get a word right the first time without looking it up.
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>>101152307
>But the pronunciation is としょかん, which is absolutely nothing similar with the kanji that compose the word.
Uh, no. と is one pronunciation of 図, しょ is one pronunciation of 書, and かん is one pronunciation of 館. They are not necessarily the only pronunciations, but you can make an educated guess. There are irregular readings that are basically impossible to guess, but most are not like this.
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>>101152307
the way those kanji are pronounced in 図書館 is each one's most common onyomi.

If you stick with this, you'll eventually be able to read unfamiliar words containing familiar kanji.
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>>101152472
>>101152484
Not him, but are the different pronunciations or entirely different words that just happen to have a meaning similar enough to share the same kanji?
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>>101152591
Usually the kanji in the word is there for the purpose of meaning. Then there's 当て字 which pops up in words like 寿司, where the meanings don't apply, only the readings.
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>>101152738
Then there's 流石.
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>>101152365
I actually just started playing through it yesterday so I cant really say. I was surprised to see more content outside of the routes they provided in the form of small skits from the different heroines perspectives. Its my first fandisc ive actually played so maybe its a common occurrence.
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That one's not a problem since it's used all the time

珈琲 on the other hand
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>>101152472
>>101152484
>>101152572
Oh, I see. That was me failing my kana and and trusting rikaichan too much instead of going to the dictionary.
Thanks for the help.
This is really fun.
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What's お風呂場 supposed to mean? Does it refer to the tub itself?
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>>101153003
Highlight everything but the お in rikai. you have it the wrong way around.
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>>101153003
風呂場: 浴槽のある場所.
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>>101148239
こりゃやっぱ無理かな
別に分かり辛い言語ではないけど、読むこと自体は時間やエネルギーがかかる
暫く4chに戻らなきゃ疲れすぎて諦めちゃう
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>>101153079
>ぬぐところは、 お風呂場の横にあります。
is what's written on my task sheet.
Well, Google Translator says it's bathroom, jisho.org doesn't find anything, odd. Problem solved though, I guess
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>>101153430
>jisho.org doesn't find anything
http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E9%A2%A8%E5%91%82%E5%A0%B4&eng=&dict=edict

You... you know what the お prefix is, right?
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>>101153423
興味のない物見ても退屈だろうけど、面白い物見つけると苦労しないと思うけどね

2ch自体より、まとめサイトの方がいいかも
まとめサイトはスレを厳選して面白い物を載せるからね
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>>101154396
ああごめん
まとめサイトは良いけど興味がない
なぜなら俺は実況のスレしか読めない
すでにアーカイブされる記事はどうでも良い
大事なのは今時の流行ること
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What is the difference between:

> 俺は英語の先生をしています。
and
> 俺は英語の先生です。
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>>101155416
What is the difference between
I'm working as an english teacher
and
I am an english teacher?
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>別に売りそしてほしいなんて頼んでませんけど!?

What do you make of this? I really shouldn't be having trouble with it, but I've hit some mental block on this one.
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>>101155416
>I'm fucking my English teacher
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>>101156917
>なんて

I simply don't understand how to use this word correctly.
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>>101156917
>売りそして

Haven't heard of this, are you sure this is what it says?
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Is there a kanji like this? It's the bottom right portion of 義 and it's on a small wooden figure I own.
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>>101157368

You mean 我? It's not exactly obscure.
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>>101157227
http://tangorin.com/examples/なんて
Read every single sentence on here.
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>>101157402
Thanks, it's just one I haven't run into then, I guess. Strange considering I spent a while trying to get that to turn up in the handwriting recognition.
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>>101157305
I can't make anything else of it.
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>>101157454

売り子
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>>101157454
売り子
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>>101157454
This is why you post context. It's not 売りそして, it's 売り子して.
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>>101157493
>>101157516
>>101157521
Thanks, I'm retarded.
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>>101157454
Betcha' confused the そして usage in here.
'cept it's not そして.
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>>101157406

Why haven't I heard of this, from my first impression amazing-looking, site before and why isn't it in the guide?
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>>101157732
I don't really know. I think it's better than jisho, even as a dictionary.
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>>101157732
Nothing new gets added to the guide, we get all sorts of sites and materials people leave and never get saved
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>>101157732
>>101157785
Protip: you can click on individual words in sentences to bring up the definition and individual kanji in the definitions to bring up the kanji stats, and you can click on the little + on the side to add any of this to your vocabulary list. Hands down the most convenient site I've seen.
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>>101157406
> What a long cucumber.
Ha.
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>>101157732
>>101157814
Because sites like that are added to the pastebin(which it is in).

Can't go adding every thing to the guide because it would become bloated and confusing.
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Added Tangorin and this http://jiten.clanteam.com/index.html to the guide, attempted to unfuck the layout a bit and fixed formatting errors.
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How many chapters of grammar did you usually try to do each day?

I'm doing one chapter of Genki each day, but it feels so slow compared to the amount of time that I put into kanji and vocab. My grammar is really lagging behind but I don't want to bite off too much and not retain it. I read the lesson and do the practice section and it usually never takes more than an hour.

I tried to google this question to see if other people mentioned how many lessons that they do each day, but the only results that I found had a bunch of ridiculously slow numbers like "one lesson every two weeks" but these are the same types of people that take four months to go through the kana so I figured asking DJT would give me a better idea of the normal pace for people without down syndrome.
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>>101159398
Currently going through Genki too and I agree that it's slow. I might need to pick up a different textbook.
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>>101159398
I used to do 4 books a day but recently as I'm reading a little more I usually do 2 and half books.
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>>101159398
Grammar is one thing you can skim through as fast as possible. The best way would be to quickly read through it all and then start reading something reasonably complex (say, a VN). You should find that you can recognize most grammatical features.
If you find yourself confused and stumbling on some of the grammar, go back to Genki or Tae Kim and review the features you did not assimilate.

The most important thing for grammatical features is being aware that they exist and the general meaning they are supposed to convey, and you will definitely struggle if you don't even know that they exist. Knowing when and how to use them is a secondary concern, so don't concern yourself with retaining everything.
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>>101159398
It's hard to set a pace with grammar the way you can with everything else unless you put a lot of example sentences into anki, and even then, they don't always cover all instances. I try to cover at least one grammar point a day, more if there's something I've read that's been bugging me.

So, to answer your question, at least one thing with a lot of daily review of everything else is the bare minimum I can do without feeling like shit.
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私はその人を常に先生と呼んでいた。だから此処でもただ先生と書くだけで本名は打ち明けない。これは世間を憚かる遠慮というよりも、その方が私に取って自然だからである。私はその人の記憶を呼び起すごとに、すぐ「先生」と伝いたくなる。
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>>101160200
それはとってもいい話だ
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Genki has some shit on くて and で for connecting two adjectives.

DoIJG says that く alone can be used as an i-adjective connective (i.e. 青く、美しかった。)

I'm assuming that both are right. Then what's the difference between 青くて and 青く when used as such?
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>>101160450
It's the same as using the pre-ます form for verbs. It sounds more formal/literary, but otherwise there is no change in meaning.
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>>101160200
Is 私と先生 wrong, like in English?
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だから学生の中には保護室がどくにあるのか知らない奴も、かなりいるのではないだろうか。

I don't get this what's the use of the ではない here is he trying to say there aren't that many people that know? What's with all the genitives this is confusing me?
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>>101161089
じゃない is often used in rhetorical questions. のではないだろうか=んじゃないだろうか=んじゃないか with more uncertainty.

"For this reason, there may be many students who don't know where the nurse's office is."
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为什么现在你不开始学习汉?
还有 他妈的日本!
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为什么现在你不开始学习汉语?
还有 他妈的日本!
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>>101161647
五月蝿い莫迦支那め
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What is generally required reading for japanese middle and high schoolers? Native works, of course. I don't know the power words to find it myself and stalking some random school homepage always makes me feel dirty, regardless of the the reason.
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>>101163110
I think it's common for highschooolers to read sections of the tale of genji with annotations. Just search for some classic literature, >>101160200 is a quote from a novel called 「こころ」
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I can't get over how fucking good this site is.
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>>101163951
If only any japanese website looked anywhere near as good.
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I just downloaded the 2k/6k/10k further optimized deck with the media files, but when I am going through them and want to hear the media file again, clicking the word doesn't work. Is there a fix to this?
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>>101164315

Press R?
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>>101164331
Oh, thanks. I should have figured there were hotkeys.
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can someone answer what does it mean when a sentence ends with te-form?
example: 明日を夢見て
how should i read that? google translate gave me "The dreams of tomorrow"
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>>101164143
Japanese porn sites could get the most confusing place since the invention of internet award.
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>>101164428
Never, ever use google translate
Your guess will be better 90% of the time.
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Has anyone read any classic Japanese literature? And if so, any recommendations? I don't expect something as entertaining as a LN, but just picking one at random I guess I'd probably end up with a snooze fest.
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>>101164627
Manyoushuu
Genji Monogatari
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>>101164627
I don't think anyone on here would dare to touch classic Japan literature.
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>>101164676
すみません、どうせ読めないから遠慮しときます
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>>101164627
The tsurezuregusa is entertaining if you like musings, but you need a parallel text to understand it.

More classic than classical is Okamoto Kido. Excellent edo period detective stories.
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>>101164825
You never know. I've tried reading some stuff from the 青空文庫 from the 19th,20th century but it's pretty slow going and I never got very far. But I figure if the story is good, I might survive past chapter 1.
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>>101164889
半七捕物帳 is what you're looking for, although just about everything he writes is good, but the Hanshichi short stories are amazing. Pretty much invented the japanese detective story.
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/index_pages/person82.html#sakuhin_list_1
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>>101165062
Cool thanks, I will check it out!
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How big are you sentence decks?

For those of you with home-grown sentence decks.
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>>101165229
Somewhere out on irc and elsewhere is a translated version of most of the collection, which really helped when I wasn't sure what exactly was going on.

I don't have the attention to read an entire novel in japanese, so I just stick to a ton of short stories by the same author for the same effect.
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>>101164428
Generally, you can consider the verb to be in the infinitive.

>to dream of tomorrow
I assume this is a title or part of a longer paragraph.
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>>101164428
I'll explain this because I remember having trouble finding good explanations of it too.

The -te form usually means there's more stuff you want to say. Suppose you wanted to say "I went to the department store this morning and bought a TV". Instead of saying 今朝デパートに行った、そしてテレビを買った, you'd just say 今朝デパートに行ってテレビを買った. So for example, the idiomatic phrase 行って来ます, means basically "I'll go and come back.".

Actually, using the て form + 来る is a very common thing way of phrasing a sentence when you intend to do something somewhere and come back. It's basically the same as a brb.

分かりました?わからないなら、頑張って、気を張って、もっと勉強しましょう
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>>101165665
>>101165699
yes, it is a title. there's nothing after 夢見て
so i guess i should read it "to dream of tomorrow" with a feeling of "and something more", like something was left omitted
i often see this and have never found an explanation
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皆様お元気ですかね
さて俺のぞろ目を確認する時が来た
レディーゴー!
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>>101166210
申し訳御座いません
御ぞろ目を忘れました
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>order something off of amazon.co.jp
>有難う御座います

god dammit japs, make up your mind with kanji
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>>101166476
At least you didn't have to go through keigo hell in the shipping faqs. It's almost offensive how passive and polite it is.
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>>101166773
I'm glad I don't read formal things very often.
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>>101166841
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joO4aOKi7k8
How will you understand the cute girl who wants to honor and service you?
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>>101167012
well, at least they hate it too
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>>101161647
你学中文学了多久?我学了一多年,不过说得还不好
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>>101167012
Two questions:
One, who is this for?
Two, I want her to hit me with that fan.
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>>101166210
何か違っとるのぉ
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How many hours do you study each day?

9 hour NEET here
>2 for vocab
>1 for kanji review
>1 for reviewing grammar
>5 for practice with manga/games/VNs/etc.
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>>101167719
How much kanji can you get done in an hour?
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>>101167719
>not 100% practice with manga/games/VNs/etc.
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>>101167799

It's just review cards at this point so I don't have to spend much time on it anymore. Went through the jōyō awhile ago, made another deck for kanji that I've encountered since then that weren't included in the jōyō list and now I just do the reviews for those two decks, occasionally adding some kanji into the second.

I used to dedicate four hours to kanji when I was doing the jōyō in one month blitz challenge. Two hours for reviews (it was usually something huge like a 400 card review pile each day), one hour for 50 new kanji, switch to grammar to give my brain a rest, go back for another hour of 50 new kanji, and then I just repeated that for a little over 20 days. It was an exhausting month, but well worth the effort.
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Which of these is the most reasonable way to cut a few strokes off of 興? The big one has me tempted.
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>>101167719

1h grammar
1h vocab
1h reviewing grammar with practice
1h new vocab

spend the rest of the day practicing with manga and some psp games.

I take 15 minute breaks between the hours to get up, stretch and look at something that isn't a computer screen.
or fuck off on 4chin.

In bed by 10pm and up by 6:30am. rinse, repeat.
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>>101168483
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>>101168836
I like your pork and chicken products, but your kanji are disgusting.
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>全然見てくんない

Is this just a shortened version of 全然見てくれない?
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>>101169943
I don't think there's any other possibility.
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Is it worth it to learn onyomi for kanji with multiple onyomi readings? It'd make more sense to learn the on with vocab
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>>101170627
Yes.
Usually when a kanji has more than one onyomi each onyomi has a different meaning, like in 直.
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Thank god I finally finished Core 2k Step 03. All those business terms were a slog.
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>>101170864
So you're telling me not only sounds are loaded with multiple meaning but even the kanji meant to clarify the sounds can have multiple meaning based on how you read them?
勘弁してくれ
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>None of the Heisig of Kanji Damage mnemonics worked for me and my retention was below 20% each day.

>Start trying to think of my own mnemonics.
>Try a bunch of different stories, but the only time that the mnemonics stick is when I use the radicals to think of a story about how the jews are trying to take over the world.
>Retention sky rockets and my retention rate is at nearly 100% every day, regardless of how many cards that I do, because I have painted such vivid stories in my mind for each kanji.
>Several months go by and I can immediately identify almost every kanji that I see.

>These stories have become so ingrained in my head that my mind has permanently associated the Japanese language with jewish world domination.

Goddammit. These dastardly jews really do ruin everything.
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>>101171343
Can you give some examples? If they're cool maybe i might use the same method too.
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>>101171343
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bump
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBOA4cUf6GM
>everything is kanji
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What does DJT think of this?

http://japaneselevelup.com/how-to-use-anki-to-master-japanese-part-1-kanji/
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>>101175480
I think 真白 is ファックしている可愛い.
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>>101175480
What horrifies me in this post is bits like
>in the short term (~1-2 years)
>You’ll notice your required reviews go down tremendously after a few years
>I probably did write out the kanji for a few years

Exactly how much time did he spend learning kanji and why does he feel his method is worth teaching to others?
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>>101176059
Contrary to popular belief (on djt) 1-2 years is not a slow pace for learning the jouyou. That is, if you do other stuff besides memorizing Kanji, I mean.

If one focuses on learning a smaller set (600-900) of more frequent Kanji at first and then jumps to reading and listening he can do just fine with learning the rest at a slower pace. I know cause that's what I did. I'm not even technically done with jouyou yet (or maybe I am, I've stopped keeping track a long time ago) and I've read a couple of VN's, several LN's and countless manga already.
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>>101171232
Other way around. They are different words that mean something similar enough to fall under the same kanji.
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>>101170864
>>101171232
I'm just a babby who finished learning kana recently but is something like this common? I know almost all kanji have many on and kun readings but do a lot of different on and kun readings that mean completely different words within the same kanji?
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>>101176487
But just how well can you do other shit like speaking and listening?
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>>101175181
I think you mean hanzi.
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What 二刀流 means?
The dictionary says it means to carry one sword in each hand, but my girlfriend asked me if I am 二刀流, what makes no sense since I'm not a swordsman.
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>>101176974
Mouse over the word with rikaichan and I think you'll find the answer.
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>>101171343
xDDDD epic post /b/rother
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>>101177099
Person who likes both liquor and sweets?
That makes a lot more sense.
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How big are you sentence decks?
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>>101177099
But this way he gets to tell you about his jgf!
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>>101177398
30 cards strong and adding more every now and then.
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>>101177283
I wonder why the fuck japs like start to talking about food out of nowhere.
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>>101176059
I agree anon.

Another thing that horrifies me is how he introduces it as his personal method then answers question like his method is the one true path to learning moon runes.

>Exactly how much time did he spend learning kanji

He says his reviews are 10-15 a day and he lets them build up over three before doing them.
makes me think he did at most 5 or so kanji a day and kinda fucked off the rest instead of putting in more effort.
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>>101176800
I frequently watch anime without subs and my mind is more than used to switching into Japanese mode already. So long as it's simple SoL stuff I can understand pretty much everything, save for a word here and there which goes into my anki deck.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that I don't really speak to anybody in Japanese, but I don't have any plans to do so either, so I don't mind being bad at speaking. If I ever find myself at a situation where I need to speak Japanese I can work my way around even if I have to speak slowly and sound awkward.

I started 1 year and 3 months ago by the way. I'm not trying to brag (I'm anonymous for fuck's sake), I'm just constantly annoyed that people are constantly discussing which method is better than which, but the criteria for measuring the quality of a method always seems to be how efficiently you can memorize shit. It's no surprise so many people have trouble with grammar and reading. We hardly ever discuss how to best approach those things. It's all about memorization. Honestly, I thought memorizing the Kanji and the vocab was the biggest obstacle to learning the language at first too, but once I had the first 200 or so kanji down, memorization became the least of my concerns, reps are a good analogy for them, just something you have to keep doing to stay in shape. By itself it doesn't help you make much palpable progress in understanding the language. The really interesting part is all of the rest.

/rant
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>>101177658
Massive cities, tiny kitchens, big food culture because they don't have to cook it themselves. All tv is either talent or food. Personally, it's scarier when people don't talk about food all the time or give two shits what they eat.
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>>101177813
>Another thing that horrifies me is how he introduces it as his personal method then answers question like his method is the one true path to learning moon runes.
Woah dude
It's just like this thread.
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Has anyone here set up romaji input on their IME with US dvorak key layout? Is it worth the trouble or should I just learn kana input?
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>>101178068
kana input isn't worth the trouble. I sure do miss dvorak, though.
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>>101178046
Yeah, kinda.

issue here is though he's speaking to beginners and not exactly offering alternatives or different methods. just "muh way! or the highway!"
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>>101178208
Still just like this thread. Except in this thread you see multiple people doing that, so you get different opinions that way.
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>>101177658
Generalizing is a fallacy.
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>>101178208
Maybe DJT has changed, but not too long ago there would be massive shitstorms because the idea of doing it any other way than exactly like how they did was beyond them.
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>>101178068
I don't know anyone that uses kana input, at all. What exactly would you be doing to "set up" romaji input? Wouldn't you just put your keyboard into dvorak layout then use an IME like normal?
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>>101178031
I'm nowhere near as far, but I have some ideas on grammar and reading and this does need to be discussed more because it is a bitch and slowing me down more than anything else.
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>>101178313
No, nothing has changed, it just depends on who happens to be in the thread. It only takes a couple people to turn a single comment into an idiotic 200-post debate.
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>>101178322
I'm on Chrome OS and under keymap on the Japanese IME the only options are ATOK, MS-IME(default), and Kotoeri
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>>101178322
IMEs use the standard keyboard
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>>101178437
I thought it was on top of the standard input. Shows what I know. Maybe I should learn dvorak anyway.

>>101178429
Sorry, I know nothing about that.
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>http://japaneselevelup.com/japanese-quest-walkthrough/

Jesus christ, how can anyone possibly be this slow? This whole "guide" is just painful to look at.

Why are normal people so pathetic at teaching themselves things? They will spend decades trying to teach themselves things that could have been finished in a year.
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>>101178527
Is your dvorak keyboard hardwired or on the OS? If it's hardwired, just switch and go at it, if not, put your keys back in the right place use what everyone else uses. It's a fun ride while it lasts.
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>>101178650
I'd say it's primarily ignorance, I imagine that most people don't even realize that can 'learn on their own' or 'go faster'. After that, I'd bet on apathy/lack of motivation to go any faster.
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>>101178527
>Maybe I should learn dvorak anyway.
I used it for a few years, but eventually just stopped because it was more annoying to switch how I type depending on if it's japanese or english or a different computer.

Also, I still never completely got used to where some of the symbols were. The curly brackets especially were moved to a really annoying place, considering I have to write LaTeX which uses a lot of them. So in my opinion not worth it.
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>>101178729
Pretty much all modern OS's support dvorak. I prefer dvorak because I type a lot and it's easier and I'm more accurate(less movement).
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I was reading the rule for i-adjectives which states that when stating an i-adjective in past tense or negative past tense, you remove い and add かつた. I can't fucking tell if it's かつた or かった

Any help?
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>>101178920
It's かった
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>>101179025
Thank you so much.
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>>101178729
>Is your dvorak keyboard hardwired or on the OS?
I mean, I could move all the keys easily, but the input is the same either way, isn't it? I'm not too good with hardware.
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>>101178650
>>101178758
Most people aren't use to actual study outside a classroom environment.
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>>101178650
What the fuck are you on about?
Even if you add up the upper bounds for each section, you would be jumping into learning mainly through reading within a year.

That's a normal pace for these threads.
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>>101178911
>>101179107
I was asking because with a hardwired dvorak keyboard, the OS is irrelevant. If the OS is set to qwerty and you type I on the keyboard you get I instead of G. So when you use an IME, it works the way it should.
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>>101179447
I don't think the hardware actually has any effect, I have a gen-u-ine Japanese keyboard with kana instead of roman letters on the keys and unless I explicitly turn on an IME it's still qwerty.
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>>101176974
Besides the two swords stuff, it means having broad tastes, and is an euphemism for bisexuality.
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>>101179525
>instead of

bullshit
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>>101179525
On a gen-u-ine dvorak keyboard, a legacy from the qwerty only days, everything is mapped in the keyboard hardware to say fuck you to the os and allow you to type ergonomically without switching shit. If you use an IME that's laid out for qwerty, you better type like all your vowels are under your left hand.
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>>101161204
So i was still kind of right but it's the どくにあるのか知らない奴も then the next part かなりいるのではないだろうか it looks like he's saying something like the people that don't know, there aren't many.

Unless I'm interpreting this the wrong way it feels strange it feels like there's a better way to say it.
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>>101181019
>it looks like he's saying something like the people that don't know, there aren't many
Well, yeah, if it wasn't a rhetorical question, that's what it would mean.

>it feels strange it feels like there's a better way to say it.
That's because it's a rhetorical question.
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>>101180119
>implying they don't exist
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>>101181019
Huh? First off, it's どこにある, not どくにある. Second, you've cut off a chunk of the phrase that 知る applies to. It's the entire thing, 保健室がどこにあるか. He's saying there may be (のではないだろうか) a considerable (かなり) number of students (学生の中には) who don't know (知らない) where the nurse's room is (保健室がどこにあるか).
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>>101181399
How cute, i want one.
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Does anyone know where to find a site that teaches how to write numbers and their stroke order in Japanese? The guide doesn't seem to cover numbers at all.
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>>101181399

How long did you spend looking for something that ancient?
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>>101181590
About 2 and a half minutes

>>101181579

If you mean like 一、二、三、等 then just use jisho.org/kanji
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>>101181632
Yes. Thank you. What else did you think I meant?
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>>101181399

keyboards from this century?
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>>101181687
He was probably confused, because numbers are treated just like any other word. They're just kanji. Learn them with kanji.
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>>101181687
I thought that maybe you wanted to learn how to write arabic numerals with a Japanese stroke order. I don't know.
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>>101181539
I think he was confused by the かなりいるのではない part more than anything.
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>>101181710
You can customize high end mechanical keyboards fairly easily. All it takes is money, companies will do it for you.
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>>101181019
Just so you know, the subject of いる (in かなりいる) is 奴. Don't let the comma throw you off. I'm not sure if that's what's confusing you, frankly I don't know where you're getting that people that don't know AREN'T many.
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>>101181687
When someone doesn't seem to know something seemingly basic, it's always good to check and make sure so you don't give a painfully simple and dreadfully wrong answer.

I've asked pretty advanced questions the wrong way and been autistically fed basic conjugations.
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>>101181802
That's cool I guess, but 99.9% of Japanese keyboards have both roman letters and hiragana on the keys.
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>>101181953
I thought they had a key for every kanji.
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>>101181946
Yeah true. I wasn't asking offensively, if that's how anyone took it. I just wanted to know what other information was on his mind.

Also, being able to tell the difference between 8 and ハ is never?
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>氣風
>陰慘
>傳説
>澤山
It's like learning this shit all over again.

>>101182159
If you have meiryo installed as your web font, 八 looks very different, but otherwise it's all context. You usually never see number without a counter of some sort, so it's pretty easy to disambiguate.
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>>101181993
that would be horrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8YuyjStAmI
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Can someone help me identify the kanji on the left? I know one of them is 充, but I can't identify the radicals on the other one to search accurately.
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>>101182349
八 and ハ is okay, but I fucking hate 力 being used after or before katakana.
力パワーアップ
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>>101182477
補充
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>>101182536
くノ一
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>>101182477
Protip: if you know part of a compound, use * in supporting dictionaries, like Jisho.org.

For example: *充 gave: 補充, 拡充, リア充, and 事業拡充
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>>101182666
>リア充
Sounds dirty.
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Have you become addicted to studying yet?

>Wake up
>Study for 12+ hours.
>Eventually my mind becomes too fatigued to continue studying.
>Sit around for a few hours and stare at the clock. Try to play a game but I get bored and then go back to absentmindedly clicking around the desktop and waiting until it's late enough that I can go to sleep.
>Feel excited as I go to sleep because I know that soon I will be able to wake up and start studying.

It feels like all of my thoughts have somehow reversed. I used to spend hours playing games instead of studying, pretty much the exact opposite of this, but after a few months of forcing myself to study something just snapped in my mind and now the only thing I'm interested in doing is studying.

I don't really even want to play Japanese games anymore and that was the whole reason I started learning this language. I only want to play them now because they're another form of studying. As soon as I can comfortably read a game, even if it was something I had wanted to play for years, then I immediately get bored and look for something harder.

I think I brainwashed myself into becoming a slave.
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>>101182563
Thank you very much, anon.

>>101182563
This will prove to be very useful, thanks anon!
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>>101182352
It's hard to believe that's any faster than writing by hand... but perhaps a master could go at blinding speed.
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>>101182743
I wish I could do that. You faggot. I hope you use some of that time to practice speaking. You've got the capability to be an engineer with that resolve and motivation and I'm jelous you fucker.
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>Majority of my thoughts are now in Japanese
>Starting to forget how to speak English, my native language
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>>101182743
I wish I had that drive to study. I finally became a NEET a while ago, but my japanese hasn't got much better since then.
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>>101183040
How long have you been learning?
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>>101183040
>Majority of my penises are now in Japanese girls
>Starting to forget how to speak Japanese, my native language
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>>101182743

You're probably addicted to the feeling of success.

It's like those people who sit around the gym all day and do nothing but exercise. It's torture to most people, but they love it.
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>>101182743
It's funny how your objective can change as things go on. I wanted to translate things originally but the more I learned the more I realized that actually good translation is so much more difficult than just reading and understanding. Not to mention it gets boring quickly, and besides, people will bitch about your work no matter what you do...
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>>101183089
>MFW I don't have a job
>MFW I don't have the motivation to do well in school
>MFW I'm too lazy to become a NEET
>MFW
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>>101183145
I lift all the time, I barely have any muscle but it feels really good, especially if you fap with all that muscle soreness. Feels so good all over my body
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>>101183040
>>101183096
I need an answer to this. You're the person I've been looking for in these threads. Not to mention that you could be lying for attention, but despite that, I need a fucking answer for knowledge and reference sake, not to judge you
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>>101182743
I know the feeling anon.
i've spent 6 hours total on vidya in the last month.

Only manga/LH I've read has been purely for study.
I'm enjoying myself still, just in a different way.

Maybe this is what being a prisoner is like?
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>>101183268
You won't just start thinking in Japanese by studying for a certain amount of time. If you want to start thinking in Japanese then actively try to do that every day and make sure you're giving yourself an adequate level of input.
You need to input a lot to be able to output normal sounding Japanese.
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>>101183186
>fap with all that muscle soreness
Wait, you lift with your cock?
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>>101183100
>Majority of my penises are now in Japanese girls

Where are the rest of your penises, anon?
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>>101183326
>>feels so good all over my body
>Wait, you lift with your cock?

Yes, I have dicks all over my body.
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>>101183268
>>101183096
Only about half a year, but I'm a NEET so I spend a good 6 hours of my day studying if not more. I don't really have anyone around to speak English with besides /a/ and almost all of the media I consume is in Japanese too, so that probably helps(or doesn't, depending on how you look at this).
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>>101183366
Damn you tentacle monster, raping all those poor innocent school girls, have you no shame?
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>>101183326
Go work out for a few days anon. then when your body is completely sore, fap. complete relaxation.
Sleep like a baby to.
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>>101183321
I understand that, but even then I'd like to know how long it would take.

>>101183403
Do you think that you could hold a conversation with a Nip without sounding like a stuttering and stammering idiot and still getting your thoughts and ideas across to where he can understand them?
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>>101183467
I get sore from lifting a bag of chips so this shouldn't be hard to test.
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>>101183040
>2014
>still learning his second language
Anyway, this kind of thing happens sometimes. Especially when you use the other language more than your native.
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>>101182743

I feel this way, but I don't know if it's because I genuinely enjoy Japanese or because of the drugs that I started taking so I would stop procrastinating. It's been so long that I don't remember what it feels like to not be on study pills.

It feels strange and slightly depressing to know that all of my accomplishments are the direct result of pills and if they're taken away then I would return to my real personality of being a pathetic sack of shit.
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>>101183554
The rate at which people learn or are even able to learn is not in any way a constant. Having that information won't help you at all, instead of thinking about the future in terms of 'arriving at success' work on actively improving every day and you'll keep getting better, as long as you're consistent, and you'll be successful.
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>>101183725
The good news is, after the crippling depression wears off and you do some intensive meditation (they go hand in hand), you find that you're on the same level, only with a more fuck it attitude to all the superfluous information.
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>>101183554
>>101183786
Okay, I still want to know whether or not HE CAN HOLD A FUCKING CONVERSATION!
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>朋
>肉

How lewd.
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>>101183968
If he doesn't practice talking to people then he probably can't talk to people very well. This isn't a hard concept to understand.
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>>101183725
>>101183862
>slightly depressing
>after the crippling depression wears off

>MFW I don't have a laughing reaction image.
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Is it possible to install the kanji stroke order font onto a kindle?

My computer is too distracting and my retention is much better when I do my reps on my kindle with AnkiDroid but I wish that I had the anki stroke order font that my PC has.
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>>101184055

I think he's talking about the withdrawal depression. Long-term use of the drugs introduces you to a state of mind (being constantly productive) that you will still have when the drugs are gone as long as you can weather the storm of depression that comes when you stop taking them.
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>>101184055
I'm saying that you still have the same abilities without the drugs, only you actually enjoy it instead of doing it because your brain thinks you are. Not to mention food tastes better and fun things are actually fun.

There just happens to be a short period where your brain is bereft of endorphins and you're depressed and in withdrawl.
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>>101184020
But what if one practices talking to himself? I mean seriously has a conversation with himself going back and forth and repeating sentences until he pronounces them accurately. I'd like to know if that's effective. Or maybe even something like watching a video in Japanese, pausing it at some point and replying to something in the video/commenting etc..
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>>101184194
You should never just 'stop taking' an addictive substance. You need to taper off.

Anyone interested in using drugs: please research them extensively before using them, so you know what you're dealing with.
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>>101184228
>>101184194
Oh, shit. I see. I didn't put the pieces together. It's too late for this shit and I need to fuck off.
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>>101184229
I suppose if you consumed enough outside Japanese that might be somewhat effective. But it seems easier to just talk to people. It's not at all like in real life, if it gets awkward or you want to stop just pull the plug, literally.
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>>101184228

>There just happens to be a short period

How long do the withdrawals normally last? I tried to cold turkey once and I just spent the whole two weeks laying on the couch, sleeping for days, and eating everything in the house. I eventually got so tired of feeling like a worthless zombie that I just started taking the pills again.
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>>101184353
I don't think I understood anything in that post. Can you rephrase?
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>>101184229
I suppose anything is possible, but what would be the point of doing that? So that you can go to Japan and be fluent on day one? I'd imagine you'd be better off finding some Japanese Skype buddies and practicing that way.
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>>101184510
>So that you can go to Japan and be fluent on day one
Pre-fucking-cisely
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>>101184417
Sure.

Talking to oneself may be an effective strategy provided that the person who intends to do such an activity has first read/listened to a very large amount of Japanese. Otherwise you will probably have a lot of bad habits that you will reinforce by only talking to yourself.
While this may be effective on some level, it's not equivalent to talking to a real Nip. Your own conversations with yourself will be strictly limited based on your own knowledge. Talking to others allows you to ease out of your comfort zone and improve without too much difficultly.

If you have anxiety about talking to people, like a lot of people on /a/ probably do, don't worry about it. It's the Internet, you can stop whenever you want.
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>>101181915
>>101181539
I>>101181329
Thanks for all the help, I think I understand now I thought that comma was separating clauses for some reason.

>>101181915
I was taking it literally because it seemed like there were 2 clauses and two negatives it seemed like they were canceling each other out.
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>>101184417
>>101184566
And to give a more general summary.

If you want to get better at talking to people then talk to people. It's really that simple, talking to yourself, while somewhat effective if done right, is not the same.
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>>101184388
cold turkeys generally a bad idea; Unless you have the resolve willpower to go through with it.(which you obviously didn't hence the pills.)

I've seen several people going cold turkey off anti-depressants and shit like aderal(speed) and can they were a absolute mess.
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>>101184551
If that's your goal then you should definitely be talking to real Japanese people as soon as you are able to, whether writing or speaking. If you just talk to yourself how will you know whether you are being understood properly?
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>>101184566
Much, much better. Thanks. I understand and yeah, I agree. It would be best to find some real Nip to talk to, perhaps through an online game. Unless I'm actually in Japan to where I can go out like a nervous retard and just awkwardly try to hold a conversation until my nerves get the best of me.
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>>101184641
Yeah, I've used words on lang-8 that I assumed were common enough, but that Japanese people had no idea what they what they meant.

Language is only really language if it can be understood. And the point of language is to communicate, so if you want to communicate and be understood properly, you should be talking/writing with real Japanese people.
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>>101184388
I hated them so much I just powered though it, but then I've been worse off naturally and unnaturally, so a month of feeling better than I usually do when the void pays a visit wasn't that big of an issue.

Exercise and sunlight are the best things you can get and a positive attitude is a must. The difference in effort between being miserable and being miserable doing something is pretty minimal when it comes down to it.

But then none of this will work for you because I'm a masochistic sociopath with a will of tempered steel and kind of get off on my own suffering from time to time.
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Is it okay to read Tae Kim and Genki at the same time or will it get confusing if you try to read both and so it's better to just stick with one at a time?

The actual chapters of Genki are so short, but the practices and vocab reps that each chapter has takes awhile so I don't want to rush through Genki at a faster pace than I'm currently going. I still have a lot of free time though so I would like to find some kind of grammar resource that I can use to supplement Genki.
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To the people talking about medication, I just wanted to confirm whether or not I was reading a conversation with a bunch of 3DPD since I usually feel that girls are the ones who often have problems, take a bunch of drugs then get more problems. An honest question.

>>101184780
>But then none of this will work for you because I'm a masochistic sociopath with a will of tempered steel and kind of get off on my own suffering from time to time.
That was fucking golden. I chuckled.
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>>101184947

>I just wanted to confirm whether or not I was reading a conversation with a bunch of 3DPD since I usually feel that girls are the ones who often have problems, take a bunch of drugs then get more problems

I'm not a girl. I don't really have a problem with the drugs as long as I keep taking them, it's just slightly unsettling to know that you either have to live the rest of your life being dependent on speed to function or you have to drop it entirely and go through the withdrawals.

Overall though, it's not a big deal. Nobody stresses over how we're all dependent on food and water to continue surviving, so it's not too much trouble to add speed to that list of "things I need to take every day until I die" and then just accept it.
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>>101184615
>If you want to get better at talking to people then talk to people.
It's the same with everything in life. if you want to get better at anything, then start doing it. Don't get stuck on tutorials and guides.
Now if only I found a simple VN that I actually wanted to read.
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こんにちは、私の名前はルーベンですが、私は、オハイオ州クリーブランド出身swaggy Bに私を呼び出すことができます。始めまして
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>挨拶より円札
>translation is "shillings, not greetings"
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>>101185464
Not bad.
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>>101185464
私は今修正しています
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>>101185272
>as long as I keep taking them,
take up an extreme sport like caving, drafting cars on a road bike, or serial murder and become dependent on that instead. Then you can get your life together, go caving with some japs, and remind them that white people are all batshit insane and they should never even think about stepping out of line ever again.

That look of absolute terror in a brown person's eyes as you fuck with yakuza and jump chasms in the dark is better than mainlining heroin into your brainstem and a far better motivator than any study drug.
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>>101185464
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綺麗
奇麗

for what purpose
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How's your JPLT result /a/?
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>>101189246
177/180, N1
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>>101189246
I got a 6/9 on JLPT69
(´・ω・`)
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>>101188446
Some 日本人 don't even know.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q139444933
Best answer seems to indicate that they have the same meaning so you can use whichever you like.
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tell me DJT, is an anki grammar deck helpful at all? if so, which ones do you recommend?



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