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Dear God.
Dear God
Tinkle-tinkle.
Hoy.
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>>101102676
I wonder who afrogod really is.
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when's the last chapter due?
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>>101102926
Final volume was released today, anon.
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>>101103362
I'm reading it now and forgot to delete the post, sorry
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>>101102761
It's Punpun real face, you huge trannie.

>>101102654
>How to make a perfectly good piece of entertainment drown in an ocean of shit in a handful of final chapters: the manual
I wish I stopped reading before the last chapters so that I hadn't witnessed the sudden change from Punpun to narutu-tier writing.
Sasuga Asano, can't really say I didn't expect some fuckup from a sissy faggot who admittedly wanted to quickly wrap things up, cut ends with his past life and projects, have his sex changed and run away with some other faggot and start a new manga about transexuals.
Kimochi warui.
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Anyone got a download for all the chapters?
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>>101102761
He's a daruma eye.
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>>101103725
>It's Punpun real face, you huge trannie.
Really?

>>101103762
https://mega.co.nz/#F!119QSBhS!bCe22AtmY6puabi3XL5b1A
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>>101103362
>author self-inserts in mangaka girl with multiple surgeries
>in the end she keeps MC as a pet egoistically, consistently with her character
>Aiko is kill
>MC is completely dead inside
I doubt there's any meaningful message in this. In the end, it was all about angst and sometimes forced tragedy.
Too bad they decided to make the fucking ending forced tragedy.
I've never seen anyone shitting so hard on the sacred storywriting rule that the ending is paramount. What the fuck Inio
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>>101103967
>>It's Punpun real face, you huge trannie.
>Really?
I had an epiphany about it while reading the last chapters, but I can't quite remember the reasoning behind it. But I'm pretty sure it's his real adult face
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>>101104047
You've never read anything japanese before, have you? You're lucky if the author doesn't die before it ends, and the rest of the time, the main character died 30 chapters back and the story is about his kids.
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>>101105168
>You've never read anything japanese before, have you?
>implying normies and newfriend usually pick Punpun up
>implying said categories are even able to read something that long that isn't nurutow or wan piss
My, my, I'm starting to doubt you.
Besides, a sad, suffering ending is fine. A poorly written ending, be it sad or fullfilling, is cancer.
And Punpun ending is not shit because it's sad.

> lucky if the author doesn't die before it ends
the boat ride never ends ;_;
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>>101105472
I'm saying that historically, japanese stories are very character driven and the focus is on what happens to them during as opposed to the result.

And by historically I mean this phonebook I use to keep my bookshelf from falling over that happens to be the first novel in the japanese vernacular and the prototype for all other tales told.

In all seriousness, I felt like the story was coming apart the moment it was forshadowed Aiko was returning. Everything was already set in stone from there and there and when I wasn't pleasantly surprised by something other than the usual along the way, I just tuned out and finished it to finish it.

I'm hoping whatever goes on in the second volume of girl by the sea is as good as the art to make up for how disappointing pun pun was.
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>>101104047
>MC is completely dead inside
Pun Pun really isn't. He's normal as everyone else. He got over it and is moving on with his life.
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>>101106338
>He's normal as everyone else. He got over it and is moving on with his life.
Anon, projecting is not a good way to cope with reality..
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>>101106539
I wish I could live like that.
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Oh shit, time to finish vol. 12.
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>>101106338
>love interest is dead because of him
>ultimately fails at everything, even the last important thing in his life
>about to sudoku
>"saved" by friend who is also disgusted by him
>admittedly kept as a pet
>even forgetting about Aiko and their story
>carried around by mangaka and emotionally distant old friends without showing a hint of his own will
>normal
That's rich. By the end of the manga he is literally a walking corpse. Not only that, he's also walked by her friend. He's just alive enough to drag his legs ahead of his feet and to faintly narrate his thoughts
I'm sorry anon, there's no happy/bittersweet ending
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Punpun doesn't deserve Nanjou. it feels really wrong, like a kind of porn you find disgusting
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>>101106888
Go outside and look at people's lives. If you come back and don't feel like a rare exception, you're normal.
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>>101106888
>even forgetting about Aiko and their story
That's called moving on with life. He's accepted life goes on and that humanity probably won't end.
>I'm sorry anon, there's no happy/bittersweet ending
I never implied it was happy/bittersweet, just that he got over it and is moving on like the rest of us. It's up to you if you think that's necessarily a sad or uplifting ending.
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>>101107008
>comparing the average fag's life to Punpun's unreal epic
Discarded.
But let's play a game and admit that Punpun IS the average fag. Then, what's the point in making a story out of him? There's life and then there's storytelling. If you want to tell a story, you try to make it good, compelling, interesting, meaningfull, or all of the mentioned. Story!=chronicles

>>101107023
>moving on
No that's called coping with the past simply cancelling it.
It's also ironic how you use "moving" when there is constant imagery about Punpun being dragged and carried by others, moreso in the ending.
If you think any different, please enlighten me as to Punpun's supposed normalcy.
I think you just want to see things in a better light; sadly there's nothing good about Punpun's end, and before even discussing about it on a plot level, there's nothing good on a technical level: storytelling-wise, the ending was an incoherent, inconsistent, tryhard mess.
Asano fucked up grand time in the end, probably because of his condition, and what pains me the most is not the sad ending but the horrible sensation that he was sick and tired of this shit and one day just ordered some 18 years old assistant with phimosis and a sweating problem to wrap the plot up and to hell with it.
And it shows, a lot. To my eyes it clashes horribly with the rest of the story, like a fucking green spot on a red slate
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>>101107730
>Punpun IS the average fag. Then, what's the point in making a story out of him?
That's retarded. Are you saying every mc for a story needs to be extraordinary or different? One of the reasons why so many people liked the series was how relateable punpun was.
>No that's called coping with the past simply cancelling it.
You sound like you're projecting a lot. That's fine though. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything and I never was so I don't really understand why you're being so confrontational about it.
>It's also ironic how you use "moving" when there is constant imagery about Punpun being dragged and carried by others, moreso in the ending.
He's accepted he has to move forward in this page. And whether you view that as a negative thing or not is your opinion.
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>>101108271
>Are you saying every mc for a story needs to be extraordinary or different?
No. And that's ironic because Punpun IS different: I doubt you can say you've gone through 5% of what he's gone through.
But then there's an average character and an average story: if I were to make a manga out of my daily life, would you read it? would you witness endless pages of me simply walking around, taking a piss, eating, talking alone once every 200 pages, going to the market, without funny commentary, no narrator etc?
No.
When you write down a story, you want to make it good -in any of the many meanings of "good".
Asano did this: he wrote an incredibly entertaining story about a seemingly relatable character that goes through impossible, extraordinary shit, until the last chapters, when he rushed it and things inconsintently and unexplainedly become reversed: he's really become something extraordinary, but the story actually drags out as plain, dumb, me-taking-a-piss-manga tier.

>He's accepted he has to move forward
Maybe. Maybe.
But he isn't actually doing it, and those TWO balloons hardly mean anything against the rest. Which is pages and pages and pages of actions and imagery (and other words) that say the exact opposite.
The scale totally leans on the bad side. Calling your vision a stretch would be a huge understatement.
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>>101108764
>No. And that's ironic because Punpun IS different: I doubt you can say you've gone through 5% of what he's gone through.
He goes through extraordinary shit but he still is average. He's relateable because he's just some average guy going through all of this drama.
>simply walking around, taking a piss, eating, talking alone once every 200 pages, going to the market, without funny commentary, no narrator etc?
You're fucking changing goal posts. Presentation of the story and whether the character is average/realistic are completely different.
>Calling your vision a stretch would be a huge understatement.
Ok
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>>101108271
I don't know how you can think that removing from your mind something that has defined what you are and that you also accidentally destroyed can ever be considered a positive way of coping with the past.

Also, Nanjou is the one who found him in a pool of his own blood, she took him up, and by that point we already know that she doesn't like him (not romentically- as a person), she openly said she just feels obligated towards him; and so she carries him around.
Of course there's no resistance, no reaction, no protest on Punpun's part.
With Nanjou's and Punpun's latest dynamics alone you can tell how much of a finished man he is.
You know what is a good ending? Evangelion has a good ending. Literally everyone is dead, MC is still kind of a faggot, but that's a good ending. This is just destruction, there's no rebuilding
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>>101107730
>But let's play a game and admit that Punpun IS the average fag. Then, what's the point in making a story out of him? There's life and then there's storytelling. If you want to tell a story, you try to make it good, compelling, interesting, meaningfull, or all of the mentioned.

Your homework is to read the Trilogy of Lies if you haven't already.

No story can capture the brutal truth of life, and a surreal chronicle is the closest one can come without becoming parody, though it is parody in itself. It's why movies about genocide and striped pajamas are little more than comedy or an offensive jab to anyone who has experienced any life altering, spirit crushing hardship and little more than masturbatory crying for the rest. Making it surreal saves it from this trap. Without it, you would only have a shitty MC making shitty decisions. Harry potter without the magic.

If you found it bitter, empty, and meaningless with no real resolution, no questions answered, just death, destruction, and half-assed moving on, well that's life.
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>>101109226
>removing from your mind something that has defined what you are and that you also accidentally destroyed can ever be considered a positive way of coping with the past.
But people do this all the time with traumatic/sad events. The stranglehold someone could have on you lessens as the years go by, that doesn't somehow erase everything he's done or make them pointless. Haven't you ever had a death in the family or your first love? The memory of the person fades and so does the pain but that isn't a negative way to cope with the past.
>This is just destruction, there's no rebuilding
He has a job, he has friends, and he's living life. It isn't glamorous as he imagined it as a child but he definitely is alive.
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>>101108764
What has punpun gone through that is so extraordinary? Broken home, death of loved ones leaving you with mixed feelings, unable to forget someone from your past and having it eat at you, overwhelming insecurities, fancies of violence, running from your problems, months of lifeless pantomime.

I'm not seeing what makes him special in any way.
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>>101109192
>You're fucking changing goal posts
No. The topic was the quality of writing. And my example, execution-wise, is what happened in the last chapters of Punpun: a huge drop in quality that clashes so hard with the previous chapters it's painful. It went from
>guy going through all of this drama
to
>me simply walking around, taking a piss, eating
execution.

>He goes through extraordinary shit but he still is average
And doesn't that make him extraordinary, since this story is character driven? What happens to the character is the character himself.

But you ignored the main points of my post.

>>101109436
Punpun is not the Trilogy of Lies. Punpun is little more than Harry Potter, judging by its relevance, its target and its aims. This wasn't born as pure surreal chronicle, not at all. That's the point, that's exactly what I'm saying. Star with the entertaining if tragic storytelling and then go full Wallace just in the very last chapters? I don't think so, dear Asano.
Anything you've said about brutal truth, chronicle, pajamas etc etc is right though.

>>101109514
>But people do this all the time with traumatic/sad events
Not that anon but this doesn't make it any better. Yes, a lot of people do that, and it's infact a negative way of coping. Punpun forgets about her and there's no sign it's the "ok I'll just let you go and remember the good bits" kind of forgetting. He's kind of surprised and resented himself for forgetting.
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>>101107730
You're a retard, the whole point is to compare it to real life
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>>101109514
>>101109514
>He has a job, he has friends, and he's living life
Again, you're grasping to a handful of words from the last pages but you apparently don't consider everything else. What would you think of a smiling man with a bloody knife in his hand and a balloon coming out of his mouth that says "life is good, I'm happy and a peace with the world"?
That's what Punpun is. Everything is rotten about him and around him, and two balloons mean little to nothing.
Besides, you're implying that he had an epiphany, he was reborn and his life turned normal literally in the last pages. How is this even supposed to be any good, on the writing aspect? Your vision actually supports my opinion that the ending is pure shit, however you look at it

>>101110130
>I'm not seeing what makes him special in any way.
I'm assuming you get molested by your uncle's fiancee and you kill crippled women on a daily basis then
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>>101110630
>>>/tumblr/
We're talking. Take your epic, clever rebuttals and your MUH RELATABLE TRAGEDY where they belong if you don't have anything more meaningful to say
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10/10.

What an ending.

Greatest Love Story ever told.
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>>101104149
You're a dumbass.
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>>101110977
I know, I always do this. I EUREKA the shit out of something but then I forget how did I come up with that formula
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I don't know about you guys but I thought the last volume was pretty disappointing.
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>>101109226
Dude, you totally misread the whole ending. Aijou has always been putting up facade. That's why she broke down crying when the police talked to her. She loves Punpun. It's why her fucking daughter sees him as her father.
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>>101111178
It was the best punpun volume in a long time. Which is saying a lot since they are all of great quality.
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>>101111178
I can understand why it would be for many people. I liked it. Could have been a lot better.
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>>101111292
>thinking it's better than volume 12

Kill yourself.
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>>101111207
Right, and Punpun doesn't know he's the father.
She didn't tell him. How is this any good?
Besides, her emotions and intentions towards Punpun were already stated and by the time she got to know his father it was confirmed that she dislikes him and she only has him around due some kind of obligation towards him.

>>101111292
>the best punpun volume in a long time
If you like basking in drama regardless of the quality. Which is not a sin, but it should be taken in account when considering someone's opinion
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>>101110431
>Punpun is not the Trilogy of Lies.
Damn right it isn't. But there is that same shift into postmodernism that went out of style among the cutting edge creators 15 years ago. Asano bit off more then he could handle and tranny craziness didn't help.

Still, it was surreal from the first page but didn't become a problem until punpun's second physical transformation when Asano was using surrealism as a cover for not knowing how to accurately convey whatever the fuck he was trying to.
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>>101111473
He's not the father you baka
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So Pupun could talk to magical japanese smiling man and so could his uncle which had a kid born with the magical japanese smiling man in his eye, does that mean he will also talk to god and have a miserable life?
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Who the fuck was the teacher faggot at the end?
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>>101111594
Don't we all?
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>>101111645
Aiko's boyfriend a long time ago. Remember the guy that Punpun had made a promise with about whogets to keep Aiko?
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Really bad ending, felt like there was absolutely no real "conclusion" to all the build-up.
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>>101111648

I may be miserable but i don't recall talking to a japanese smiling head in my life.
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>>101111516
Well your whole post is basically part of my whole point. He literally tried too hard and ended up using surrealism more in style than in actual content, and ultimately fucking up the ending.
>tranny troubles
Punpun Asano is NGE Anno without the getting better part

>>101111645
>>101111689
Wasn't he that boy that moved out in the first volumes and gave his bycicle to Punpun?
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>>101111473
>FAMILY IN 2013 IS DEFINED AS BEING THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER AND A BIOLOGICAL MOTHER

It's just cherry on the cake he is the biological father. But for all intent and purpose he is the father. The biological shit doesn't matter.
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>>101111780
Every mystery is solved. A whole bunch of new beginnings, so the point was never to have a real conclusion.
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>>101111816
He was.
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>That faggot all butthurt he didn't understand shit
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>>101102654

The main theme of Punpun is dreams falling apart, is realizing childhood is something we are forced to left behind, not because it is right to do so, not because it actually helps us, but because we have to. We can try to make a story out of the world surrounding us, Punpun tried hard to do so, Pegasus too, but in the end reality (and worse, living in society) is just that: plain, operational, hollow, void.

The thing with Sachi, is that, she seems to be the one character who's conscious of how the world works, she survives by making stories, she, herself is a story she made (cosmetic surgery). I think her actions at the end are disgusting, but coherent. And I still think she's best girl, though clearly a self-insert by Asano.

But what if it is? I love Asano, I just want The Girl of the Beach Vol. 2 to be translated already or to get better at moon quickly so I can read the way you're supposed to.
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>>101111837
>for all intent and purpose he is the father
No he's not. He gave up on her, she gave up on him. Reread the pregnant-hospital arc.

Now, do you want to go on about how not telling him that's his child is a sign of love?
If you pictured a family -whatever the kind of it- in the end, you really got the wrong, if wish fullfilling, picture
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>>101112011
How are her actions at the disgusting?
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>>101112049
How is anyone in Punpun not disgusting?
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>>101112029
>They gave up
>Punpun went to jail
>Did probation
>She was still there for him (exactly what he wished Aiko to do for him)
>They are all together again, even if they suffered accidents, such as old man
>She, as always, spouted though shit because, like her plastic face, she puts up facade for everything as she is insecure as fuck
>When reality come crashing down, she first ask her sister who knows her best to "walk a it more with her" then just flat out break up crying even though it'd make n o sense to if she actually believed what she said before.

I really think you just missed out on a ton of characterization nor did you actually read closely what was being said.
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>>101102654
Punpun demonstrates the Death of the MC.
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>>101112011
>I just want The Girl of the Beach Vol. 2 to be translated already or to get better at moon quickly so I can read the way you're supposed to.
you might want to do the second one. I was going through volume 1 and the bad translations are numerous and disgusting at times. Isobe is way more cold but less of an asshole in the original.
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>>101112085
Read De musset tirade in "On ne badine pas avec l'amour" about men and women being filthy disgusting pigs.
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>>101110431
>Punpun forgets about her and there's no sign it's the "ok I'll just let you go and remember the good bits" kind of forgetting.
We aren't given enough to make that assumption. You could go either way.

>>101110690
>What would you think of a smiling man with a bloody knife in his hand and a balloon coming out of his mouth that says "life is good, I'm happy and a peace with the world"?
You're strawmanning. And stop putting words in my mouth and putting me in a position which I never took up. I never said it's a good ending. I just said it necessarily wasn't a bad ending.
He's alive, with all the bad shit and the good shit and that's pretty normal. It's just life.
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>>101112252
Pleae don't say that. Ensemble casts are always watered down shit for people who have to 'relate' to characters.
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>>101112029
>He gave up on her, she gave up on him
Reread the ending.
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What is this? His new manga?


https://twitter.com/asano_inio/status/416165783220137984
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>>101112449
oh goddamn fuck if that's true im gonna splerg all over the place

shit man you could've given us a better ending to punpun, after all that fucking buildup and plots that this piece of crap
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>>101112539
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>>101112449
GUYS
WHAT IF INIO MADE A MAGICAL GIRL MANGA?
HE WOULD BEAT THE BUTCHER IN HIS OWN GAME
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>>101112218
>said actions necessarily mean love
What if it's still part of her obligation towards him? Besides, you may be surprised to know that many times people can do things against or regardless of what they want to do for themeselves.
She made her feelings fucking clear since the pregnancy arc. THAT was the main thing about them, and it didn't end exactly well.
When she spoke with Onodera dad, that was it. And nothing changed until we saw her again in the last pages. Reread.

>>101112343
>We aren't given enough to make that assumption
Not enough, but still more than what people have to support the idea the Nanjou x Punpun is happy ending.

>>101112343
>it necessarily wasn't a bad ending
Well I see your point, I guess that ultimately depends on your personal conception of shitty life.

>>101112394
Reread anything before the ending.
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>>101112627
>to support the idea the Nanjou x Punpun is happy ending.
Jesus fuck you're confrontational
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>>101112627
No, the only moment she made her feeling clear where when she almost broke down when walking back from the bar and when she finally did it in the hospital. She does not want to lose Punpun.

>Nothing changed
You seem pretty obtuse and pretty gung-ho on Punpun living a miserable life as a walking dog on a leash for her and her daughter.
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>>101103725
>It's Punpun real face

What evidence points to this exactly?
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>>101112808
Nothing, he's full of shit.
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>>101112740
Don't take it literally, you nigglet. That was a huge synecdoche

>>101112757
>everything changed in the last ten pages
Well that makes it a lot better.
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>>101112808
Other than that it's the voice in his head? I guess the family resemblance.
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>>101112859
I forgot and I'm not going to reread it just to reconstruct the reasoning that led me to that conclusion.
Someday I will and I will post the result with that image just for you, anon.
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>>101112877
You not liking the ending and not truly understanding what it entailed doesn't make it bad. Or, you can keep to your interpretation where you blank out everything about the last 3 or 4 chapters and still call it shit. You don't need to answer me, you've made pretty clear what you chose to do.
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>>101112449
>「きのこたけのこ」

Only reading I can think of is: 「きのこ丈の子」, which would be something along the lines of "Mushroom girl" or a girl the size of a mushroom. And the girl's face really has that fantasy vibe, but let the real moonfags be the judges of that and the tweet.
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>>101112962
I could say the same to you.
Whit the difference that it wouldn't really make much sense for me to root for an ending where everything goes to shit, and that on my side I have the fact that trying to change something so big and relevant as Punpun's and Nanjou's relationship and dynamics in the final narration during 3-4 chapters in a 150 chapter manga isn't exactly the brightest example of good writing.
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>>101113190
You could and you'd be wrong. You don't have to root for it anyways, just accept this is what Asano wanted for Nanjou. You just missed a LOT of things about Nanjou if you truly believed she was as strong a person as she claimed to be. And that's been a central theme about her.
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Okay you faggots let me explain this fucking ending to you.

The entire story is basically a Japanese manga version of Araby that is about 200x the length of the original story. It's a story about children losing their innocence and learning that reality isn't what they've imagined it to be.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, though, and this is where it differs from Araby, is that it's a story ALSO about how those children learn how to cope with the discrepancy between their childhood dreams and what their lives ended up being. It's about coming to accept that, even if life isn't as shining and brilliant and amazing and wonderful as we imagined it would be when we were kids, that it's still worth something to live and to love and to experience life and the company of others, even if it hurts at times, even if life can sometimes be painful.

This is the big motif throughout all of Asano's work, actually. All of his works are about finding joy and happiness when it seems like the world is bent on denying us those things at every turn.

Punpun is dead at the end of the story, yes. The Punpun from before he went to prison is long, long dead. And that is as it should be. The child Punpun is dead, the teenager Punpun is dead, and the young adult Punpun is dead. The one who appears in the epilogue is none of those Punpuns, but a new, strong, fully grown adult Punpun, who does not imagine a fake life filled with planets for him and Aiko to live in, nor does he angst and despair over the fact that his childhood dreams were dashed against the rocks of reality.

This is not a story about angst. This is a story about overcoming angst, about overcoming the harshness and the cruelty of the world that we did not perceive as children. It is a story about the loss of innocence and the acquisition of the strength necessary to survive that loss.

I'm going to sound like a faggot here, but allow me to frankly state my opinion: Oyasumi Punpun is the greatest coming-of-age story ever told.
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>>101113190
Are you kidding? Nanjou was always a insecure fat girl who put up a front.
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>>101113314
You only need to tell that to >>101113190. Pretty much everyone else got that.
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>There are people seriously arguing the "deepness" of a blatantly obvious black comedy manga
Are you all for real?
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>>101113314
>Araby
It read more like finnegan's wake.
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>>101113314
Yeah that's how I thought about it

>>101113489
No one is fucking arguing about "deepness"
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>you truly believed she was as strong a person
I can't even tell how you could believe I implied something like this.

>you're wrong
That's not an argument.
Just accept that a character doesn't change in 4 chapters, and coincidentally just at the end, how convenient.
And if it does, well that's bad writing, as per previous thesis
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>>101113526

I was using a story more people have probably read than Finnegan's Wake. Most people have to read Araby during high school, but Finnegan's Wake usually isn't required reading.
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>>101113560
for
>>101113313
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>>101111780

Punpun accepted the death of his childhood and moved on. That's exactly how it should have ended.
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>>101113534
>No one is fucking arguing about "deepness"
You quoted an entire post bitching about some anon not understanding the "deeper" points of the story. It's no surprise you faggots are arguing over this when people as retarded as you exist.
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>>101113314
We're talking in-depth about Punpun, not Araby.
Stop using non relevant analogies.
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>>101113560
She didn't change that much. Everything about her is coherent.
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>>101113656

The point I was trying to make is that Punpun draws on themes first established in Araby, I.E. the loss of innocence and children having to face what reality is actually like.

Punpun goes beyond Araby, though, in establishing how those same children can grow to deal with that loss.
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>>101113656
How the fuck is it non relevant.
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>>101113667
You (or them) are implying that she suddenly likes Punpun and wants to stay together.
I'd call it a greath change, given the fact that in the past 50 chapters it's made clear that he gave up on her, with the pregnancy affair, and viceversa -made clear during her visit to Onodera dad.
Yes, it would be a great change. Not something that you can do in the last pages. Hence the actual lack of any change: she doesn't love him, she doesn't really want him, and she doesn't even really like him. Why does she keep him around anyway? Reread the manga and the thread
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>>101113771
>>101113820
Because we're talking in-depth and very specifically.
He's just estabilishing a general theme analogy.
>lrn2dialectics
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>>101113682
You sonuvabitch
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>>101113971
And the theme relates directly to the ending which is one of the current discussions at hand
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>>101113905
>Suddenly
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>>101113971

I certainly wasn't fucking talking in-depth and very specifically. Reread my post, please. I'm not responding to this discussion on whether or not Sachi loves him.
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>>101113905
>Reread the manga
You reread it. Her actions are coherent to her characterizations.
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>>101114031
>a handful of chapters
Yes, suddenly.
Because the state of things until she recovers him in a pool of his own blood is that they have given up on each other and accepted that
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>>101113526
>>101113596
>finnegan's wake.
>'s
You sure didn't read it.
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>>101114207

And you sure are pedantic.
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>>101114191
You just don't get it do you?
>Showing that much weakness after going on her tirade about how they are done and it' sonly out of a sense of duty
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>>101113076
>Mushroom girl.

Wasn't he talking about how his next manga would be about transgendered people? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that mushroom means dick.
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>>101111645
>>101111689
I can't believe you faggots forgot about Harumi~n.
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>Those falling stars on the night of Tanabata

Yeah... I guess they will never saw the sky they saw that night again, will they?
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>>101114404
Cherrypicking at its finest. Luckily for you I'm not going to browse through all those chapters (and chapters posterior to your pic) to pick the abundant panels or whole events that say the opposite of your pic.
I'll just remind you of her visit to his dad and to hell with it because it's late.
If we need to come to a compromise, let's say that things are misunderstandable and intepretable in both the opposite ways à la Evangelion, this justified and explained by the fact that Asano lost his grip later on and ended up fucking up his tentative surrealism, being the tricky pony he is.
He was ultimately biting more than he could chew, and that's why both the interpretations are possible, but IF we were to gather evidence, the "it's not out of love" interpretation would make the biggest pile.
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>>101114940
>compromise
>but IF we were to gather evidence, the "it's not out of love" interpretation would make the biggest pile.
God you're such a confrontational faggot. You realize you're in the minority here.
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Anyone else tune out on the rest of the story after seki stopped being tsun-tsun and pulled his boyfriend out of a fire? It was hot and the psychodrama afterwords was about as coherent as the psychobabble before and nowhere near as compelling.
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Can we talk more about the amazing bittersweet endings Asano always manages to produce out of his stories?
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>>101114940
Bitch is incapable of love because she can't love who she is, but what she has for pun pun is the next best thing.
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>>101115226
>>101114407

>His

Anons...
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>>101114313
>stop making me learn things!
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>>101115299
Not a girl until the hormones change him enough to not give me a boner.
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>>101115362
Holy fuck are you delusional?
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>>101115362

I made a simple mistake, which I will admit I did, but you felt the need to bring attention to it, despite it not affecting anything.

That is the definition of pedantic. I bet you correct people's grammar while they're speaking, too.
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>>101115114
>wow look at him he's discussing
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg
If I wanted a #TOLD duel I would have gone on /pol/. It's not flattering for yourself to reason in those terms.

But since you bring up the matter, I'll tell you that usually I don't even discuss about this kind of things, and the reason for me engaging in this long discussion is the fact that Asano has fucked up badly and I'm contributing to explain how and why in order to prevent things like this from happening again. Ruining a solid story by fucking up the writing of the finale is a fucking capital crime and something a vaguely autistic bookworm like me can't stand.
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I dont even remember who that random person at the end was.
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>forced drama
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>>101115484

>Stop liking things I don't like!

That's you, anon.
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>>101115598
There's only "comedy" under the listed popular tags on MAL.
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>>101115484
Not him, but you sound like someone I would argue with constantly and fuck senseless the rest of the time if we were ever to meet. It's got me kind of confused.
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>>101115623
Try again when you've learnt something more about writing and when you've accepted that the text is more important than your wish fullfillment
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>>101115484
God damn you have a problem
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God is the representation of hope/ideals in Punpun, his perception of the world of something that it is not, more that what it really is. This perception constantly clashes with reality, causing Punpun pain throughout his life.

By cutting out his eye, he is rejecting the false existence he has created in his mind, and learned to accept the reality he previously perceived as mundane. He learns to live because of this.

The cult leader was showing the extreme representation of 'God'; what happens when ideals are followed so powerfully that the people reject reality entirely.

The Daruma is directly equivalent to God in what it represents.

Aiko represented God - the ideals Punpun held that were at a conflict with reality
Sachi represented reality - the less than perfect life that punpun was able to accept after sacrificing his ideals.
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>>101115749
Get out.
Discussing doesn't always mean endlessly fighting over which is best grill.
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Nanjou best girl.
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>>101115836
And discussing doesn't mean acting like an ass.
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"I'm sorry for being a liar."
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>>101115714

I'm not even involved in that argument, but you're clearly just upset that someone liked something you didn't like.
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>>101115699
It's not like I hate or despise him or anything, but I do get pissed off when arguments disappear in favor of
>you're wrong
other epic memes or ignoring main points without confutation.
I have no idea where did you get the fucking senseless part though
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>>101116030
Spirited debate turns me on. It never gets old.
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>>101115951
I'm too sleepy to check: is that an actual sequence or is it edited?

>>101115998
Sure. After all it's not like I'm the one using always arguments and he's the one recurring to
>Stop liking things I don't like!
>God you're such a confrontational faggot
>You realize you're in the minority here
>you're wrong
Why the fuck am I even replying to this anon even.
Oyasumi fagets.
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>>101115951
笑みを守りたい
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>>101115951
Gotta love Asano's trait.
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>>101115951
is she ok?
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>>101115951
>"You said it! You nasty boy.."
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>>101116266
Too late now. It's long gone.
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I mean, I probably shouldn't have expected anything other than pseudo-intellectual shit-flinging, but I'm still disappointed in you, /a/.
>>101116368
Anon...
Aiko is kill.
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>>101116368
Was she ever?
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>>101116467
>笑みを守りたい
Top one in the list of smile that couldn't and should have absolutely, positively been protected
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>punpun leaves aiko to get the bag
>comes back
>her corpse is gone

what
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>>101116589
Yea. Shouldnt that spot been swarming with cops or something? What did the children do to her body?
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>>101116589
My little anon can't be this retarded
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>>101116589
Did you miss the ambulance?
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>>101116589
He went to the wrong house.
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What was the point of the cult subplot? It always looked to me like they were using symbolism to point Punpun as an antichrist figure but then in the ending there is some sort of start of redemption so I really think I missed the point.
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>>101116579
I'm the one that said it and I don't even agree. Girls like her are toxic and you're just projecting through pun pun.
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>>101116709
Jesus, that's one funky looking ambulance. Originally read the shitty scan release, so that didn't help.

>>101116721
That's what I thought just now, but after going over the pages again, it's the same place.
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>>101115951
Aiko's development really depresed me, I'm such a faggot.
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I'm dumb and didn't get one thing, /a/nons.

Is Shimizu kill? He came out of the burning building apparently alive, but then he shows up together with Pegasus and the others in that planet, and, of course, he doesn't show up in class reunion.
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>>101116892
yeah, she was was still a naive child in the end. kinda depressing but maybe a little more upsetting for me.
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>>101117009
Amnesia. His old self gone off to wherever Pegasus went.
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>>101116799
She's just a normal girl with problems. That's why she needed her smile to be protected. Who cares if some upbeat perfect shonen waifu dies after all
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So was all that stuff with Good Vibrations really just too deep for you?
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>>101117219
Yes
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Punpun will carry that weight.

;_;
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>>101117141
Oh, that explains it. I completly forgot about that sequence where he doesn't remember Seki's name.
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>>101117291
>implying he won't sucide offscreen in the next in-universe chapter
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>>101117372
>implying he ever lived
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>>101116799
>Girls like her are toxic
Please elaborate.
She grew up being abused all the time and she kept trying to escape that to live a better life. Even if she can be a bit clingy at times, it's not like she had unreasonable expectations, she just wanted to be somewhat more normal.
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>>101116799
It's not even if you like her or not but she's been abused for years by her mother. Nobody deserves to live like that.
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So, if Punpun were to ever get an anime adaptation, how would you want it done? Several OVAs, movies, a TV series?

Also, which studio would you want to see animate it?
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*Tips straw hat*
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>>101117526
I can't see this being animated but I think SHAFT with inu curry could pull it off.
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>>101117526
These kind of manga don't need adaptations, and honestly won't turn out well.
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>>101117526
I'd pay to not see it getting an anime
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So who actually likes this ending?
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>>101117526
Punpun is probably one of the manga that better and more strongly rely on the characteristics of their medium for the best delivery
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>>101117639
your mom
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Got to ask because it went way over my head, but what happened to her body? He founds out about that paper in her bag, but when he returns she is not there.
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>>101117526
Better questiong here, How much would you cringe if its animated like aku no hana?
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>>101117881
Read the thread or re-read that bit.
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>>101117881
As most people agreed, ambulance/police
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>>101117935
rotoscoped duck.
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>>101117219
Nope. It makes perfect sense.
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>>101117639
So who actually likes this manga at all? I dropped it on chapter 15
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>>101117881
a bit hard to tell if you've never seen a japanese one before, but there was an ambulance in the pages before her disappearance
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>>101117953
as soon as i scroll, i see the answer. Sorry, this ending left me a bit dizzy.

>>101117980
For a moment i thought he paid someone to get rid of the money, but then realized that the "money" was her note.
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>>101117526
several movies on Soviet-era rotoscopy
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>>101117935
I suppose if handled well/properly, it could be decent
Like not rotoscopping Punpun but rather animating him traditionally (heck could make it so his lines are always moving despite him standing still...like Ed,Edd, and Eddy but not as instense).

Heck could be live-action and they just animate Punpun and his family, and that could be decent too if handled properly.
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Maybe it's because i read the other volumes so long ago, but who was the teacher at the end?

Why was punpun "back to normal" and was crying? Was it happiness? Sad because he knew he was stuck to that girl? Sad because of how everything went in his life?

And his uncle, the baby, what does it mean?
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>>101117446
Not to make such a cold analogy, but it's like a dog trained for dog fights. You can't undo that kind of trauma and that desire for normality only leads to dissonance and poisons everyone around them. If she wanted to escape, actually wanted to, she would have instead of feeding at the hand that bites and waiting for someone else to kill her problems for her. In her escape, she exemplifies the behavior that this type of girl shows in spades.

You meet them in real life and feel pity until they do what they've been trained to do and then you want to put that bitch down with a shovel. It's a sad fate, but if any of your friends you actually care about fall for this girl, you will seriously consider doing the same.
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>>101118122
God no live-action. Nips cant into real acting.
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>>101118158
>who was the teacher at the end?
Harumin
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>>101118177
>fall for this girl, you will seriously consider doing the same.
>edgey
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>>101117639
I did, it tied up everything so well. As for what actually happens it could've been more interesting but he pulled it off pretty nicely.
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>>101112011
I like the way you put Sachi, she is like a hyper realistic portrait, is great, is never beautiful but is so endearing...
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>>101118177
wow so much edge
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>>101117526
Original manga panels in transition, with voice acting and general audio, sometimes color pop up, sometimes animated details, elegantly and tastefully done.
This is the only way to improve Punpun maybe
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>>101118177
I bet you'd be a wonderful special ed teacher.
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I'm sorry for being a retard and not being able of grasp the meaning, but why did Aiko put her panties on her mouth?
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>>101118158
>teacher
Harumin
>back to normal
Punpun is now living normally
>crying
I believe it was because he met Harumin again and was happy talking to him, even though they don't have much to talk about.
>uncle, the baby
It runs in the family
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>>101118177
>you want to put that bitch down with a shovel
You know, buddy, I think you have some serious issues to work out here.
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>>101117639
eh, i just don't like the sudden focal shift to Harumi who was barely relevant to the plot. Everything else is a-o.k imo
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>>101117537
One piece
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>>101118403
To not make sound while she died.
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>>101118403
To not scream or make noises in order to keep Punpun asleep.
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>>101118403
I don't remember why but it help you kill yourself. I think it helps choke you faster or something.
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>>101118403
She's literally batshit.
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>>101118403
to not alert punpun i imagine
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>>101118408
Anyone else besides me find it strange how Punpun was able to get over all the shit he went through with Aiko all of a sudden?
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>>101118403
Hanging yourself is noisy.
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>>101118512
>all of a sudden

It's been at least a few years by how big Sachi's kid looks.
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>>101118512
He was under some intense stress. He simply could have been fed up with it, and almost relieved that it was finally over. Doesn't necessarily mean he's over it, though.
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>>101118512
>get over
Anon..
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>>101118403
probably just want to leave a decent looking corpse. hang victims had their tongues stuck out like crazy after a couple of hours
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>>101118403
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>>101118298
>>101118353
>>101118410
I know, I know. But it seems like no one has ever met a self-destructive headcase and watched their actions instead of falling for their sob story. They're warped from day one and only get worse as they get older. She was just as twisted as her brother, only a pretty girl.

The question is whether or not you think her actions were beyond her control.
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>>101118559
>fast forward into x years
>everything is apparently ok
10/10 Nobel for Literature
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>>101118586
Well he reverted back to his "old self" as a full bird.
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>>101118512
>over a year
>sudden
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>>101118628
HE ENDURED IT
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>>101118672
>he reverted back to his "old self"
I'm honestly not sure this is to be considered something good
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>>101118670
People get better over time, even more so with friends. That's life for you. What more do you want, edgemaster?
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>>101118403
Right I just remembered why. It's not necessarily for noise but the main reason is to prevent a person from biting their tongue while they're hanging themselves to avoid pain.
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>>101118475
>>101118478
>>101118483
>>101118495
>>101118528
>>101118878
Oh, that make sense I guess, I thought it had some kind of psychological meaning related to sex or some shit like that.
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>>101118815
>buzzwords
So I suppose you're fine with "stylistic choices" that justify the resolution of a huge mess with just a "some time later"
I read Punpun last volume from shitty translation on imgur two months ago. It still feels like there were at least other 15 volumes involved, but then Asano pussied out and said fuck it I'm out.
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>>101118559

Are prison sentences for murder/accessory to murder short in Japan? Seems odd he got out so soon after all the shit.
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>>101118177

You're a bit harsh, but correct. You can't help these girls with all the love and support in the world: therapy is the only thing that has a hope of helping them, and even then it might not work.

I feel like a lot of the people defending her have never actually known someone like this personally: they will inevitable either betray you horribly, or self-destruct and drag you down with them. You really can't save them, they can only save themselves.

Not to defend Punpun, mind you. They were both fundamentally broken people, and their relationship were mutually toxic.
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>>101118815
>let's put a huge timeskip in and let them fanwank something or project what they want
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Who was this in the beginning of the story? Don't know if it was answered/important.
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>>101119242
That was Pegasus.
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>>101119023
There has been enough angst already, the point of the ending is that he's ready to accept his life as it is and try to take it easy.
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>>101118177
>>101118641
>her brother
I'm going to assume you mean her mother, but you're still so fucking wrong it hurts.
If there was someone who was self-destructive after the murder it was Punpun. If anything, Aiko was actually what toned down that behavior, she was the one who stopped him from killing a random guy he met in a convenience store, she was the one who prevented him from offing himself, and you're saying she's twisted? Not that it's hard to look like a moral compass if you're next to vol.12 Punpun, but it feels more like you're thinking of people Aiko reminds you of, than the character herself.
>instead of falling for their sob story
Except we know her sob story isn't a lie, because we fucking saw it first hand.

>>101119070
Again, you're categorizing her to a certain personality type, and not paying much attention to her actual actions.
>they will inevitable either betray
I don't know if you're referring to the scene where she stabs him in the forest, but since it's the only moment where you might consider there's a betrayal I'll go with that.
Can you really blame someone for not completely trusting someone who 24h ago had a rope around your neck, and is now going full Indiana Jones on you and searching for a river in the middle of the woods, knowing you're the only thing that is keeping him in danger of being caught by the police?
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>>101119340
It would have been nice if that was shown and justified throughtout some more chapters instead of rushing it literally in the last pages.
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>>101119023
>15 volumes involved
why bother prolonging it? his internal problems have already been resolved by the eye stabbing part
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>>101119402
>If there was someone who was self-destructive after the murder it was Punpun. If anything, Aiko was actually what toned down that behavior, she was the one who stopped him from killing a random guy he met in a convenience store, she was the one who prevented him from offing himself
This.
So much this.
And also pretty much the whole post.
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Where's the reading together with /a/?
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>>101119526
>his internal problems have already been resolved by the eye stabbing part
Man you're either a fucking genius and your sarcasm is so refined I can't get it, or you actually seriously believe this and it's so wrong on so many levels it's embarassing
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>>101119583
Hox didn't do it this time.
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>>101118641
just how was Aiko self-destructive? her circumstances for sticking around with her mom was never explained.
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>>101119526
>let's make him stab himself in the eye a little
>ok character conflic solved, all's right
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>>101119710
It's about the whole journey, not the one action that concluded it.
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>>101119242
people have been saying that it was punpun himself
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>>101103725
We've caught glimpses of his face a couple of times in the manga, between him looking in mirrors and having an obscured view or panels like this, He most definitely does not look anything like that. Plus, he saw it like that even as a kid; that wouldn't really be fitting.
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>>101119655
read up a bit on what Daruma doll represents.
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>>101119757
>whole journey
What journey, anon? Up until to that point he was completely fucked up. Please stop implying that the eye stabbing solved his conflicts, it's plainly ridiculous.
His conflicts never really got solved. If they got solved, that happened in the timeskip in the ending. And that's abysmal writing and a lazy cliche
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>>101119453
I don't really see it as rushed, the whole story build up to this moment, the Punpun storyline at least, I don't really like the "resolution" Seki and Shimizu had.
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>>101119941
So, rei is aiko and asuka is sachi?
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>>101120016
>Mari is Sachi
Fixed. They even look similar
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>>101119791
I figured that was the case after seeing this page. Seemed a bit far fetched though.
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>>101119899
Seriously, everyone should at least read the wikipedia article on daruma dolls.
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>>101120147
what did he said after that?
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>>101113905
You really don't get this manga, do you? I don't get why I read the asinine argument you had with that one guy, its not like my or anyone else's explanation of the material would convince you of anything beyond your projected understanding of the story. Go read a book or something
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>Pegasus
Holy shit.

I guess I'm a filthy nigger for liking the ending and the way everything wrapped up. The way all the theatrics and the angsting about consequences wrapped up was nice, although I don't get what the hell was going on with Punpun's eye.

>>101118815
>People get better over time, even more so with friends. That's life for you.
Pretty much the moral of the story.

Overall 8/10. It's hard to wrap up a manga that ran this long, especially in the way it did.
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guys, what if punpun really died after he said "goodbye" and everything else is a dream?

Really now, what was that last scene "in the sky" with all the dead cult members about?
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>>101120370

>yfw Pegasus is stabbed through the same eye Punpun is

Holy shit.
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>>101120410
No
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>>101119242
Another guy going thorugh a crisis a reevaluating life. Wasn't he the guy that recorded the porn tape?
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>>101120370
He lost his eye too. What does it mean?
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>Read punpun's ending
>Watch the depressing excuse of a end to the Rurouni Kenshin anime
>Up next on my playlist is War In The Pocket

(sigh) How more sad is this day gonna get /a/?
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>>101120498
See
>>101120177
Mind. Blown.
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>>101120498

Read up on the damn Daruma doll.

tl;dr, you paint one eye when you start something, then the other when you finish it.
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>>101120370
I noticed that all the angstmaster childish epic stuff died off shortly after Pegasus did.
If you've read Asano's other works, he likes to put all sorts of magical shit into them. The death of Pegasus also put an end to the rest of the magical shit in the manga. Aiko a dead, consequences a done, eye a gouged, sowed a reaped.
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>>101120577

When was the first eye painted in?
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>>101120370
I swear I heard those flames the whole act
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>>101120577
So did they start or end something?
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>>101120510

Watch The Plague Dogs.
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>>101119941
it's a 2deep4u symbolism. sure his life was still a wreck at that point but he had gain some motivation/drive to move on, casting away God/dark spot as he did. also >>101120177
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What did Pegasus kill himself and his followers for? Was he somehow the cause of the meteor shower?
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>>101120720
>Made by the same guy who did Watership Down

I-I'll pass. Thank you.
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>>101120510
>(sigh)
Get the fuck out of here.
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>>101120510
go watch Grave of the Fireflies too while you're at it
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>>101120865

Why? My parents let me watch it when I was 6.
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>>101120834
So the world would be better by using the music of the cosmos to destroy the dark spot and make everyone happy.
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>>101120834
Yes to both questions.
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Were Seki and Shimizu homo?
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>>101120643
what you saw is the first eye
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>>101120964
Cause I wanna keep some of my tears in.
>>101120950
Already saw it.
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Out of the entire last volume, this page struck me the hardest.

>>101120834
To ascend to the plane of the God of Poop and stick their keys in the magical thing along with the Daruma that disappeared into another dimension after Punpun threw it off a balcony shortly after he was raped in order to save the universe.
Yes.

>>101121051
Shimi's just a retard and Seki is just a sentimental tryhard. Seki is pretty much Shimi's mother until they met Pegasus. Then Shimi had another fucking reality break during the fire and kind of reset himself to an untraumatized state.
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>>101121051
Seki was straight.Shimizu was a mentally disturbed bully magnet who had only Seki to help when he's stuck in a jam. Calm down, shipperfag
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So here's a thought. Do you think that Asano is implying in the end that by reverting back to his Bird form, PunPun regressed in any way from the growth he experienced? Or is it more about acknowledging PunPun still retaining his identity and sense of self, while still being able to grow through his experience to live his life and let it be a more positive one than if he would have given up? I lean toward the latter as there is more to suggest that post Aiko he learned to live and move toward the future, embracing those who cared for him and loved him, even if he still isn't convinced he deserves it (like with Sachi's daughter).

Either way its bittersweet, but considering the way Sachi finds him and they ultimately lead a happy life together, there is a much stronger note of redemption than what I was expecting. There's hope for us all friends
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>>101120834
>What did Pegasus kill himself and his followers for?
canceling the apocalypse
>Was he somehow the cause of the meteor shower?
probably just predicted it through extreme maths. see 2012 hype
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>>101121051
A little bit.

It's a symbiotic kind of thing that goes beyond a simple label. By the end of the story they're both fit to have that kind of relationship, but it's hard to call it homo.
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>>101121214
Was that his uncle?
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>Caught'cha.

Oh man, this made my year. I really enjoyed this ending on a whole. It's a small happiness, but it's something they can all hold on to.
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>>101121462
>together
Hold on there, champ. Sachi treats him like a pet, he doesn't want to be a father figure to her bastard child, and he was still too caught up on Aiko to do anything meaningful for years.

That's not much of a mutual relationship. They lean on each other as crutches. Punpun leans on her for stability and to be as beta as he possibly can, Sachi leans on him so she doesn't get bored and so he doesn't half-kill three people again. I sincerely doubt there's any actual romance in there.

>>101121653
The baby in the top panel is Yuichi's son, meaning Punpun's nephew. The guy in the bottom panel is Yuichi.
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>>101120650
They both started a goal. The suggestion is that through death the other eye is lost, and thus the goal is complete. For Pegasus, saving the world from the dark spot was his goal, and with his death in the blaze he was capable of achieving it.

For PunPun there's a little more there. When he took his eye out, he made himself into a living Daruma, a constant reminder of the goal he set. By rejecting the darkness of "God" and not succumbing to despair with suicide, PunPun made the goal to live his life and to do so fully, for the better. Everyday when he looks at himself, he is reminded of the struggles he went through and his goal.

When he finally dies naturally, having lived life fully and doing the best he can in this world, his remaining eye will decompose and he will have succeeded in his goal.
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>>101111077
It's not pun-pun's face though, we get glimpses of his face and he looks nothing like that. If anything it resembles his Uncle which would make sense since he's the one who put the whole tinkle tinkle hoy thing in his head.

Granted I don't think it is, but if it was anyone related to him it would be the Uncle
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How could Asano talk in such detail and in first person about life experiences he obiouvsly didn't live in first person? the scene about the new Nanjou manga is something more than a joke?
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>>101111178
The only thing I didn't like was it ending with Harumi as a teacher, it didn't connect to anything at all past the point of him saying bye to punpun, and we don't care about him
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>>101121886
You pretty much described the point of his entire bit. Catching up with really really old friends sounds like it'd be an exciting time, until you realize that you really don't know them anyways since so much time has passed. You can only reminisce about shit that doesn't matter anymore and then you move on.
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>>101111473
What? Pun pun isn't the father he couldn't be given the timeline. She even says to her friend that it's her ex's baby. She literally says she knows it's selfish of her to ask for punpun to support her when she's wanting to get an abortion because he has no technically responsiblility for it.
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>>101111689
Harumi was the glasses friend who moved, are you retarded? Why do you think they were talking about the porno they found as kids?

Not to mention their faces and names are nothing alike
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Satisfying ending that kept in line with the theme of growing up that appeared so often in the manga, there are some interesting conclusions you can make with all the stuff this volume.

I really like how Punpun and Aiko's relationship was escapism for both of them as they clung to fond memories and sentiments in an attempt to deal with growing up and the world around them, even when they weren't together Punpun used her for escapism, spending hours looking for her so they could live some fairy-tail life and when they finally get together it's not so perfect at all.

Interesting posts/ analysis from last thread
>>101108960
>>101114439
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>>101121862
Which scene? Nanjou is clearly an Asano self-insert and any time she was talking about manga, it was very clearly personal experiences manga artists have. A lot of it was about the conception of punpun itself.
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>>101121725
I suppose I would disagree, as the journeys PunPun (with Aiko) and Sachi (to find PunPun, his Dad) go onto became critical moments in which they matured and learned from their drastic faults. After Sachi finds PunPun, she declares that she won't leave him and will be there for him when he is ready, however long that takes, a gesture of compassion and love that goes beyond their previous subordinate relationship. Meanwhile PunPun seems to have made progress over time concentrating on bettering himself as a person and letting those important to him close, while maintaining independence. When he's talking to Harumi, its worthy of note that Sachi chastises him for wandering off on his own, suggesting that he is not dependent upon Sachi like he once was, they are co-dependent like a healthy relationship.
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>>101121596
I feel like I was reading more into Seki's failed relationships than I should, but they seemed centered around his disconnect from Shimizu at the very least. Like you said, I can't quite call it homo, but there's something there that can finally be resolved.
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>>101122199
At the hospital when he wakes up.
>Nanjou is clearly an Asano self-insert
it is clearly, but outside her character we can't fathom what is true and what has been invented from the manga, meaning that Punpun could and probably is also author's personal experience on a certain degree.
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Would Punpun have been able to face reality and deny "god" without ever meeting Sachi after Aiko died?

If he hadn't been shown the reality of the world by Sachi I think he would've completely embraced his delusions and would've become one of the cultists or worse.
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>>101122560
for, not from
I'm going to sleep now...
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>>101122665
What's the difference between embracing completely your delusions and living reality without never take shelter from the world? in the end, its always a single layer system.
and after all, doesn't innate subjectivity of human mind transform reality in fantasy anyway?
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>>101113190
I don't think you really understood Nanjou's character if you couldn't tell that everything she presents is a front. The naration and other characters(even herself) say it out loud.

Nanjou is collected on the outside, but she's still the same insecure bullied girl who niether pushes nor pulls but wants people to come after her of their own accord.
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>>101122665
that eye stab was not for commiting sudoku.
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>>101122926
by the way
>self insert girl of male author
>becomes pretty with plastic surgery
>its actually the prettiest girl in the manga
>acts like a man (or like a 3D woman)
Asano is super homosexual
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>>101121653
>Was that his uncle?

In the bottom panel? Yes. Note his usual hat.
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>>101123049
Anon...
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>>101123049
>prettiest girl in the manga
heresy
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>>101113314
I thought those motifs about losing innocence->becoming someone else->losing that->finally becoming an adult that accepts these things was said pretty point blank. I'm surprised there's this many people who can't tell it's coming of age and watching this kid grow up leading to his end.

However I don't think the old Punpun is completely gone, at least not when you're implying he does. Punpuns original naive and childish self disapears after he says goodbye to Harumi one last time.

The only thing I didn't like was how it ended with Harumi, and Harumi not making any particularily signifigant statements.
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>>101123131
Y-yes? did I say something wrong?
>>101123169
Ill fite u nigger
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>>101123180
This was his statement. >>101121993 and I at least found it pretty significant in that it was the only thing not actually handed to the reader.
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To be completely honest, Punpun is a pretty strong guy. When Sachi goes off hunting for him, we all learn that he's actually responsible as fuck, a hard worker, and loyal to his friends. He just procrastinates a lot, does a lot of weird impulsive shit, and spends the entire manga being caught up on inconsequential shit he did with a puppy love girlfriend. He focuses on his nostalgia so hard that he starts seeing shit in Aiko that wasn't there, and projects his own desires and ideals onto her. When he finally gets to spend more than a day's worth of time with her, he realizes that they're both batshit insane and it can only lead to one or both of them dying.

Moving on and getting past your nostalgia is the main theme, I think. Sachi spends a chapter or two in this volume spelling it out for us, and the entire meaning behind her Milky Way painting and the night sky theme is all about nostalgia and seeing shit that was never there.

tl;dr all of Punpun's problems stem from not being able to move on, and when he finally does move on in his own self-destructive way, he becomes pretty goddamned normal.
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>>101123180

The very very ending, in my mind, is a statement that these things happen to all children, and they are just a natural part of life and growing up. What Punpun went through may have been extreme, but it was still the same thing, at the very basics, that we all go through when becoming adults.

Those are the best kinds of stories, though, in my opinions. The kind of stories that every single last person on this planet can relate to, regardless of religion, sex, gender, race, ethnicity, creed, whatever the fuck. Truly human tales.

That's what Punpun is. It's a truly human tale.
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>>101123262
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-01-19/solanin-creator-inio-asano-reveals-desire-for-sex-change
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>>101123374
>asano-reveals-desire-for-sex-change
Oh_mama.exe
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>>101122879
I'm not advocating living life without escapism, just wondering about how Punpun would've reacted to it with no anchor grounding him to reality.

>>101123014
I know, didn't mean to imply that.
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>>101122926
What would you say drives her to reach out to and continue to hold on to Punpun witnessing his suicide attempt and being revealed to be involved in a murder?

I would say Nanjou is a bit stronger a person than you give her credit. She is aware of the front she puts on, but pushes herself so hard in an attempt to fulfill it. Haunted by her negative self-image, she makes effort work past it, but also sees Punpun in a similar situation, but dealing with much more difficult hardships than her, instilling in her a maelstrom of shame and pity.

Sachi isn't strong in a heroic sense, but she's strong like a person. Has her shit and makes the best of it, even if some of it is fake.
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>>101115133
I was kind of hoping for a chapter to establish the aftermaths of that, even a half chapter.

I was glad Shimizu didn't die, I was honestly expecting at least one of them to die.
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Did you manage to move on anon? have you ever been strong?
I've been strong once, and it doesn't feel like its worth the effort. being strong its something to avoid, if you want to be happy
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>>101123180
Harumi is important as a character foil to Punpun (and probably Seki too). In a story full of fucked up individuals, he's one of the few well-adjusted main characters. When he talks about how "easy" his life is it makes you think about the hardships that Punpun and the rest of the cast went through. Some people's lives are easier or harder than other people's lives, but on the surface day-to-day level you can't really tell the difference between them.
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>>101123663
Shimizu and seki got on on the true route somewhere along the line. They got off great. Seki was given the opportunity to stop being such a shitty friend and Shimizu doesn't have any lasting emotional trauma either from the cult or from what drove him to join it in the first place.
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>>101123663
In a way he did. The broken boy with the dead mom is no more and he's a clean slate.
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>>101123728

>being strong its something to avoid, if you want to be happy

No, anon. Being strong is the only way to ever truly be happy.
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>>101121214
What does Yuuichi mean by saying "this is hope"?
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>>101115757
Aiko didn't represent God, Aiko represented childish hope and ideals. If anything she's Punpun's Eve.
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>>101123823
This is truly a wurld of strunnngth
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The best part of the manga was everything before he met Sachi. It should have just ended after he saw Aiko on the train. I would have been fine if he never saw her again, but fuck Sachi and the final volumes of the manga (except for this part).
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all these anons not realizing pegasus's goal was to rid the world of the dark spot. when the comets came down, i think that was a pretty huge moment that said Punpun's dark spots were going to fade away. definitely not something that happens overnight as evidenced by Sachi's daughter being at least 3-5yo. but still.
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>May you never forget me
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>>101123815
I know but I meant in regards to how Seki dealt with having Shimizu be mind wiped. I'm sure he has bitter sweet feelings towards that since on one had his friend can go towards a brighter future without hang ups, on the other he forgot his experiences
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Gesumi is the cutest.
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The entire cult plot never amounted to anything.
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>>101124085
2deep4u
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>>101123554
She's not a weak person, she's self-suficient but there's still that part of her who's insecure and feels she needs to keep up that appearence and denies it when someone brings her hang ups up or the fact that she at least has some kind of romantic feeling for punpun(even though she's aware of it, she just doesn't admit it outright). She's realistic in that way.

I think she reaches out to Punpun out of a weird sense of responsibily and obligation as well as some romantic ties muddled in there. She's a bit controlling in the sense that she wants Punpun to come to the same plain as her(i.e real 'mundane' life)
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>>101124013

This. Since the first time i saw her.
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>>101124085
see
>>101123911

also your picture reminded me: there's a few people wondering if punpun going back to his original birdie form at the very end was good or bad. if you're not a total dipshit you know that his appearance/face changes based on how he's feeling, what's going on inside him. I think it's safe to say that by reverting to his original little birdie form, that's a very, very good thing, since even though he was never necessarily super happy, he was at least a pretty normal kid when it boiled right down to it. I think it speaks for his growing normalcy and being able to lead a healthy life.
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>>101124012
It hinges on how together Shimizu was in the first place, which didn't seem like much. At least now Seki has a whole person to bond with and can always fill him in, but the way it's presented, the past isn't what's important, and in both their cases is painful and better left in the dark.

What's lost is a pittance compared to having your friend alive and better than before and Seki is made of iron and rocks, so it doesn't seem like it would bother him.
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>>101123348
I agree I love punpun, I just found it odd that they ended it with Harumi as oposed to any of the other characters we've seen. I was thinking it would end with the Uncle and the baby.

It's not that I disliked what happened, I just found it odd it ended on that page.

But I agree I did also like how Harumi was talking about how easy life was and that he wanted to just go and kill someone for the hell of it, meanwhile was trying to get the little girl to realize what would happen if she kept that kind of attitude.
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>>101124402
>It hinges on how together Shimizu was in the first place, which didn't seem like much.
He pretty much went full schizo after his mother died. He was largely socially retarded and dependent on Seki until shit went down with Pegasus.

I think Seki will enjoy this, since he won't have to constantly babysit Shimizu anymore.
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>>101124085
It shows an extreme version of Punpun's escapism/ reluctance to accept or deal with the real world.
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>>101124496
Nah, Harumi is still too young for Sora to be at elementary school age. Not that much time passed between the pages. But that kid is essentially another Punpun.

Now that I think about it though, Punpun's grade school teacher was very Harumi-like.
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in the end, all I wanted was to become a good person
I don't know anymore
why I still hesitate, even if there's nothing to lose?

why I'm here talking to myself on internet? what I'm trying to achieve?
who is this people? why I feel left behind even if I'm alone in my room?
why I'm in this room when I sweared I'll never return?
the past has become foggy like the future. am I moving forward?

what's stopping me from taking what I really want?
I don't know what I want? no, I just want nothing

click submit, type captcha, someone will quote and tell you that you exists
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>>101124496
I thought about it, but Soara's not old enough to be in that grade at that time. He can't be more than a year older than Sachi's daughter.
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>>101124485
Any time you leave the territory of creepy unhealthy relationships that edgy teenage girls think is cute, it's a good thing. g-rated, totally no homo doujins when?
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>>101123324

2chunni4me
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>>101124430
>I just found it odd that they ended it with Harumi as oposed to any of the other characters we've seen.

I liked it, Punpun had been clinging onto the past in an attempt to deal with (not deal with) the present whereas Harumi grew up too but he doesn't even remember Punpun's name because he's facing reality, he doesn't need to comfort himself with sentiments or delusions to avoid real life. Punpun starts forgetting his perfect image of Aiko after he stabs his eye, again showing he's finally moving on with his life.
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>>101115870
That's no Aiko
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>>101124485
I think Seki does like babysitting Shimizu, he's never happy with the choices Shimizu makes for himself(even though with the whole cult thing he really just went from leaning on Seki who was more or less grounded to leaning on Pegasus with the delusion that he was actually being his own person their and not just continuing to follow what others said)
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>>101125193
I couldn't quite tell what happened there, at first I thought it was implying he was raping her while she was more or less unconcious, but then it's a panel of her on top riding him?

I understand them having crazy sex given their states of mind, but it looked like he choked held her into blacking out
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>>101115951
I just wanted them to have a happy ending.
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>>101124619
You'll find it, /a/non
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>>101125646
It just was not possible
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>>101125193
One of Aiko's eyes looks a little bit darker there. Had that been true for a while, or did it happen during that scene?
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>>101125755
She was like that for a long while. Since halfway through vol. 11 iirc. It was deduced to be due to her kidneys failing/being shanked I think.
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>>101125646
It was a bittersweet ending for Punpun. Aiko was too far gone the moment they killed her mom.(Arguably way back when Punpun broke his promise to her the second time)
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>>101125755
it was like that since one of the beatings she took from her mom
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>>101125824
>>101125857
Huh. Surprised I missed that.
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>>101125755
It was like that for a long time
>>101125824
I thought it had to do with her black eye+stress=ruptured blood vessels that don't get to heal
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>>101125824
it was like that before she got shanked
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>>101124619

Even if you, i, any of us, ended up in a fulfilling life, a entitled happy one, it would be just one more closed circle of people and experiences.

Assuming that youth, love, friendship, is made by linking with people, there still is people that we will never know, that already died or will be born. Therefore turning life just a random chance that you are stuck up with not thinking too much of it.

So then we just take nihilism and see that everything is superficial?
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>>101118403
Fuck, I can't take that first panel of my mind, I'm going to have Aiko nightmares tonight.
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>>101126299

Well, at least YOU will never forget her.
Unlike some bird i know.
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I sort of wish the very final page of the manga would have been of Punpun's real face, smiling contentedly.
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>>101126618
But is Punpun really happy? Is he even decently adjusted?
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>>101123848
It's a new kid, a new life. The kid looks like Punpun did as a child, back when Punpun was full of dreams, hope, and excitement. Yuuichi's son is another new life with hope for his future, like Punpun had to begin with.
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>>101126694

Of course he is. That's the entire point of the ending. He's not happy like he thought he would be as a child, but he's happy in a different way now that he's a fully grown and matured adult.
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>>101126618
Shit me too anon, eh at least we know what he kinda looks like now.
>>101126694
I think he is, read through the thread. There's lots of good proof that implies PunPun adjusted to life.
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Alright, to all the anons in this thread, who else has that weird feeling in the back their back of their head that they just can't shake off? The bittersweet feeling where you know you can't concentrate on something else 100% because of the ending. I already know it's gonna take a couple of days to shake off this.
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>>101123767
>he's one of the few well-adjusted main characters
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>>101126983
eh, my mood went to shit upon reading the ending last month (I think), but then a kind drawfriend fulfilled my request and everything was fine
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>>101127278
That's cool, what was the request?
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>>101127154
even regular, sane people have urges like that, even if it's only once or twice in their lives. I think it's just to show that even though he's got a pretty okay (they seem to argue a little bit more than necessary so I don't want to say it's great) girl, a job he seems to enjoy, and is otherwise just a calm, nice dude.
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To me, this piece of fiction created something that you normally don't see in chinese drawings, despair. I don't know what ending I expect myself, possibly a much more twisted one, but its closure, something that most authors can't do well. Goodnight punpun.
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>>101127404
Aiko and Punpun happily playing fireworks

>>101127154
and? tell you've never had that kind of feeling.
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has no one made the connection to when Punpun and Aiko are just meeting up for the first time, she threatens to stab him in the eye? more Daruma stuff?
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>>101124085
Being a faggot, you are doing it right.
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>>101126983
I know that feel anon. I had it for like, a week after I finished reading Punpun (I think only up to vol. 10 was released at the time). It's back after this one but not nearly as intense.
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>>101127535
meeting up after he found her again, just to clarify
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>>101127526
That's cute, I kinda feel like requesting for someone's interpretation of Punpun's actual face. I wanna see what people think it is.
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>>101127154
Coming from him, though, that reads like a normal figure of speech. He's never been shown to be the stabby type.
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>>101127154
You've never had a moment where you thought about knocking the fuck out of the next person that gave you lip?
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>>101127609
Right? Like, it's not horribly awful but I think it's because of the bad end Aiko got. Realistically, there probably isn't any other route that would've had a better outcome, but it didn't feel like she needed to go out like that. It's just really sad, no one deserves that fate, or choose that kind of fate.
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>>101127627
We've seen enough bits and pieces of it that someone might be able to make a composite image. Well, assuming Sachi's drawing of him is a realistic representation and not just her ideal.
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Is it me or would the story have been much less enjoyable without the bird caricature and the lack of showing real punpun most of the time?
Maybe it's a superficial thing to approve of but it's what got me into the manga and I really enjoyed that aspect.
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>>101127627
Something like this.
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>>101127535
>>101127614
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>>101127891
That works
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>>101127704
>>101127526
>>101127411
The bit I took issue with was more how he followed up the urge with going into a crowded place, for whatever reasons you can dig out of that.
It's a bit further than just having the desire itself.
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>>101127839
I demand pictures. Pictures of Punpun's possible face now!
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>>101127888
It was extremely relevant and did its job by describing his state of mind at the time, words at times aren't enough to describe something as complicated as the human mind and I could just say 2deep4u.
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>>101127888
Nah, I feel the same way. It really made the story having his different expressions portrayed in different forms.
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>>101127994
This, and they also used the different forms to significant impact as well as how the narration changed with them.
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Does anyone else hear the Beach Boys whenever Good Vibrations is said?
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You will never have a Gesumi, doting on you day and night and wanting a paltry three texts a day in return.
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>>101128220
You know what's funny since you brought up Gesumi? Her boyfriend, Mimura I think everyone has a friend like Mimura. The good friend that means well but never seems to look at anything above the surface level.
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>>101128409
>I think everyone has a friend
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>>101128482
Really? Not even one in school? Not... fuck... i'm sorry anon...
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>>101126729
I could also interpret it as Yuuichi seeing his own self reflecting in his newborn son, realizing that this offspring is going to end up making the same mistakes he/Punpun made. So what Yuuichi could be really saying is, "oh, so this is hope, huh? Just as I thought, my child is doomed."
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>>101127764
Oh yeah, Aiko was probably one of the characters with the worst fates. Even if Punpun didn't find her, her life would just have gone on with her abusive mother. She really didn't deserve it.

Another thing that did it for me was the last few chapters, including the uncle's "This is hope, isn't it...", with most things turning out alright but still having this melancholic air to it all.
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>>101126729
Yeah, but I could also interpret it as Yuuichi seeing his own self reflecting in his newborn son, realizing that this offspring is going to end up making the same mistakes he/Punpun made. So what Yuuichi could be really saying is, "oh, so this is hope, huh? Just as I thought, my child is doomed."
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>>101129047
Why did glasses kun come back in the story at the end, i don't even remember him

Can someone explain what it means? that'd be nice
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>>101128220
Gesumi was pleasantly moe in an otherwise depressing manga. The parts with her and boyfriend-san were lighthearted and made me feel less shitty reading it.
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>>101129221
Harumi? Read through this thread, it got explained numerous times.
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So guys, besides this, what are other ridiculously depressing manga that you guys have read? This is pretty up there with Bokurano and Homunculus.
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>>101129622
Ai-Ren.
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>>101117526
adaptation by ufotable
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>>101124618
Didn't his grade school teacher also have frequent freakouts?
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>>101129622
Sundome
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>>101130229
Sundome has a similar atmosphere, but it's not really depressing.
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>>101124618
Then you have to add what punpun's image is supposed to represent: Purity, PunPun was a pure boy, and the ending of him reverting to his old image acclaims to this.
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>>101130311
Did we read the same manga? That ending was the most depressing shit ever.
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>>101130355
It was sad that the main girl died, but in the end she was finally able to fully accept the protagonist's love. Then he moved on with his life and got his dream job, as did his friends. It's bittersweet, but the only time I felt remotely depressed was when the protagonist was worrying about being NTR'd. Everything else was ultimately pretty positive, or at least not overly negative.
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I had this song pop in my head during the dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWzptHJ6M2k
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>>101128205
>beach boys
Get a load of grampa here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eSN8Cwit_s
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>>101130800
Pfft, whatever, Brian Wilson can rap too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0SnpN_O00
This is probably the worst song ever.
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>>101128205
yep.
every time, it was weird.
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>>101128205
I kept thinking of this shit thanks to the pervasive marketing campaign that continues to this day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdppfbSIWRw
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>>101129688
that whole feeling of inevitability throughout the whole damn thing
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>>101128205
Yes, actually.
I really love this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab_beh07HU
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>>101129622
>Homunculus
>depressing
What the fuck were you reading?

I didn't find Bokurano depressing at all. They really kicked up the drama and I couldn't really get a feel for any of the character.
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>>101128220
>>101129238
I liked how Gesumi and Mimura were probably the most simpleminded people in the manga and also the happiest, as opposed to Punpun who is extremely self-conscious and over-thinks everything.

Kanie too, actually. Though not as goofy, she seems pretty easygoing and accepting of herself, and ends up coming off as one of the most down to earth and sensible people of the bunch.
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>>101131213
You're going to tell me the ending wasn't depressing. The main character ends up being a complete nut.
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>>101131735
>complete nut
Nope, just enlightened.
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>>101131767
ehhhhh.... I guess in a way that's true, still sad though. Still left me with a weird bittersweet feeling like punpun.
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>>101131603
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.



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