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After seeing that thread about Elfen Lied and how it is not deep anime, I wondered what is some deep anime then? I'm not someone who gets all this deeper meaning and symbolism bullshit. Pic not necessarily related, but might be...

ITT: deep anime

in b4 Bible No Pico Slide: The Battletoads Chronicles
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Eva.

No really. At least character-wise, not LOL RELIGION AND ROBOTS ARE DEEP.
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bump
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>>10109508
The future looks bleak for this thread.
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Anon can't talk about deep anime and it's pointless to try.
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define deep.
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gits2.
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IS DIS SUM THRILLER ANIMU?
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Air.

In b4 inevitable faggotry and thread death.
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There's no such thing as "Deep," because no one actually knows what that word means beyond "lol it's the opposite of shallow."

Start using real words to describe shows.
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CLANNAD IS DEEP
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>>10109594

More that 10 feet. Enough so that you can safely use the diving board.
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>>10109542
Ya rly. Asperger boy, ADHD girl and retard girl.
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Deep as in, complex plot or emotionally deep?
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there is no such thing as deep anime, silly anon.
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Texhnolyze had some meaningful themes, if that's what you mean by "deep."
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>>10109628
"YO"

?!?
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ITT

half of the faggots who take this thread seriously will say

Eva, because they easily fall for mass marketing appeal centered around "depth" and "complexity."

GitS because it is beyond anon's understanding
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>>10109622
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ITT: Thriller dance.
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>>10109622
AIR had fucking nonsense that was NOT built up well. It was literally melodrama -- type-cast characters who are sad because of archetypal (i.e. cliche) sad things that happen to them.

The second part was NOT well linked into the first or third parts, and the third part was just plain random bullshit.

If you think AIR was good because a GIRL ACTED CUTE and then THAT GIRL DIED, you have abysmally low standards. AIR was shit. Allegedly the game was better (as in: had a coherent plot).

Seriously, if you liked AIR, you'd likely enjoy a random montage of crying girls walking slowly with sad music playing in the background.

AIR was shit.
This is fact.
It's true all day and all night.
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>>10109660
Also Kino's Journey.
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Is there a difference between something being LOL DEEP and it having depth/substance? No English expert here.
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>>10109689
You wrong. But thanks for proving my "inevitable faggotry" comment correct.
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>>10109670
Kino's journey wasn't deep, it was just awesome.
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>>10109689

Air is my favorite anime.
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>>10109719

in literature, substance is the preferred term to depth, and unlike many other descriptors, usually requires qualifying statements as to the nature of the substance in the story, usually relating to the purpose and method of message conveyance.
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>>10109670
Not deep, but it did have philosophical themes.
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DEEP and meaningful conversation.
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Here's your deep anime.
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Serial Experiments Lain. [spoilers]PRESENT DAY. PRESENT TIME. HAHAHAHA!!![/spoilers]
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>>10109857
so fucking deep man.
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Lucky Star.
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gits is quite cheesy at times, however, it does touch some very intereting problems, in way that unique to cinematography as a whole. awarness, conciousness, what realy distinguishes a human from a machine which works in a way that is externaly indistinguishable from a human. i love how tachikomas joke about this stuff from time to time in SAC 1&2.
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I think we need to revive that Cirno debate about Mind Game and Clannad....
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Deep is the opposite of shallow.

Elfen Lied was shallow, Higurashi is deep.
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Serial Experiments LainPRESENT DAY. PRESENT TIME. HAHAHA!!!.
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there are no deep anime just people trying to justify watching something. Every anime can be "deep" if you think hard enough about it
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>>10109955
I lol'd.

>>10109936
Sounds interesting. Any pasta?
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>>10109883
FAIL
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>>10109955 Higurashi is deep
Hahaha, oh wow.
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>>10109955
Listen to this man
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>>10109976

I was hoping someone else saved the 250 posts it ran to
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>>10109508
I was just going to request Fuko doing the thriller
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>>10109974
Here to get you started
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Hayate no Gotoku is deep.
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>>10109955
Higurashi Kai had a pretty childish ending, and the themes it was trying to get across can't count as deep either. ("we can do anything if we put our minds together", "there is always a way out" etc)
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>>10110084
How is that deep? Sounds like romance fanfiction by a 14 year old girl.
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FCLC is deep man.
Very fuckin deep.
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>>10110140
I posted it to get the thread started, now entertain me.
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>>10110084
This isn't deep, Tomoyo is just dependent.
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Can someone give a good definition of DEEP ? I mean, better than >>10109955
as opposite of shallow.
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This thread is now about anime that sucks ass. Or has been from the start.
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>>10110140
It isn't deep, the person who posted it didn't realize that her life would have gone on like normal if she had never met him.
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5 Centimeters per Second. Now that's deep.
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Anyone who uses the word `Deep` is someone who is not smart enough to accurately point out clever dialogue, meaningful writing, or present evidence for substance.

`Deep` is just the token word for I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS ANIME or THIS SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE FOR ADULTS MAYBE.
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You know, it'd be very sad if we come to a conclusion that anime is NOT deep at all. But I think it's true.
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Never use the word deep to describe anime unless you are talking about Pico's asshole.
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>>10110247
But it's not "deep". Anime can have substance, but "DEEP" DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING.
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>>10110219
>>10110219
>>10110219
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elitist thread
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>>10110234
>Never use the word deep to describe art
Fixed.
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Pokemon.
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Deep, much like emo and pretentious on these boards, has lost any of it's original meaning.

Deep means good. Good characters or plot, more than just "lols moe" or "lols fight-o"
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>>10110247
There definitely are deep anime. The reason I'm into it is because the medium can be used so well to transmit a lot of information and imagery all at once, much more within the control of the director and the artists, something that is hard to do with full actors and movies. Sure, not a lot of anime have the budget or the vision to do it, but the ones that do are pretty good, and present some interesting themes that don't run often enough through western shows or movies.
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It doesn't get any deeper than this!
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Television is probably not the best place to be looking if your looking for deep.

The deep shit I've found is books. I don't see an anime or television show coming out ever that will scratch the power of 1984.

That being said Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind is an amazing thoughtful and deep manga.
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Every episode episode was the combination of everything good about Lucky Star, and what an amazing triumph it was. Not only did we get to see the unique sides of each character, but also how well they mesh together. The level of chemistry between the characters of Lucky Star is something I haven’t seen in any anime… ever… and it just makes the experience all the more entertaining. Watching the four make their way around the sites of Kyoto was an absolute joy - it felt like I was a part of their group, as just one of the gang - make no mistake, this was a very deliberate move by the staff to show off just how far along we as the audience has come along in befriending these characters.

And how about Kagami’s day of romantic anxiety? The moment she picked up that “love note” and scampered off, I knew something epic was about to happen. The great part about it was that it didn’t stop at just Kagami - notice Konata’s sensitivity to her mood changes as well! Konata and Kagami may always been taking jabs at each other, but when Kagami seemed to be a bit faraway, Konata noticed, and made a purikura message to cheer her up. What other animation studio can weave such subplots in so masterfully?

No, it’s not “funny” in the traditional sense - the level of humor and sheer enjoyment has transcended simple laugh out loud and crossed into that ethereal realm of holistic amusement. And it accomplished this by staying the course, always remaining consistent in their own direction while providing fans with tasty morsels of instant gratification along the way.

Lucky Star is hanging out with your best friends. Lucky Star is that perfect date you go on with your significant other. Lucky Star is that moment of magic that happens when everybody is on the exact same page, reading that wondrous story in symphonic harmony.

Lucky Star is deep.

yea, I’m gar for lucky star. so shoot me, at least i’ll die happy.
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>>10110328
>Deep means good. Good characters or plot,

>Good characters
Can't be measured.

>or plot
Irrelevant. Plot is nothing but a container.

So what was "Deep" supposed to originally mean? It was supposed to be a measuring stick for your personal enjoyment? Because you can't have a "Good plot." A plot is either well written, or poorly written. The concepts behind it and how interesting it is are entirely up to you to decide.
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I think deep has meaning, it's just that it's too broad that you can't just label an anime "deep" and be done with it.

A good definition would be "a good show with complex and interesting characters/plot/themes/dialogue", but of course you have to explain more in depth why it's deep.

The problem is that merely average anime gets labeled deep because anybody can write a huge 50000 word essay on its complexity when its really just simple. People really need to just stop looking for depth that doesn't exist.
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>>10110463

You can't really describe "deep", but you KNOW that Ergo Proxy is much deeper than Yu-Gi-Oh GX
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>>10110449
Finally, the ultimate fail post. You are ready, /a/, the world is yours for the trolling.
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>>10110459
DEEP MEANS GURREN LAGANN.
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>>10110108
I disagree. Higurashi is fleshed out very well across both seasons, with very good plot twists that prevented things from becoming predictable. At first you thought Hinamizawa Syndrome was a curse, or murders by the Sonozaki's, but both of those weren't the case. The series played with the concepts of conspiracy theories and convinced you to look at things from a different perspective.

If you look at the government and their actions in the series as an example, you're able to see the commentary that the government doesn't care about its people when their secrets in biological warfare, or other sensitive matters, are at risk of being compromised.

I'd say that's pretty deep, wouldn't you agree?
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>>10110449
5/10 good attempt but your trying too hard.
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>>10109627

i guess the general meaning is "something that makes you think". but it's far too generic, even the stupidest anime can make me think, if i am in a certain situation akin to what's going on with the show. or if i'm in the mood it can make me go in a train of thought which is easily more complex that anything the author could have wanted to communicate. so yeah, it's all relative. but we could define it as "a show that shows a different perspective on a theme/idea". different as "something that the common people usually don't think about". but even then, most anime fans think too much about anything, so it would be hard to find something actually deep.
so.. i dunno lol.
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thriller. oh yeah. did they do that because of MJ's 25th thriller album anniversary?
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>>10110553
6/10 I can't tell if this is an intentional troll or not. It lacks omph though.
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>>10110605
Is this retarded troll rating meme ever going to disappear? It's really nothing short of obnoxious.
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>You can't really describe "deep", but you KNOW that Ergo Proxy is much deeper than Yu-Gi-Oh GX

I think you CAN describe it by actually showing how its deep.

Anybody can say that "such and such show has amazing dialogue", but what makes the difference is that you actually prove it. Obviously you can't prove it with 100% certainty since art is ultimately subjective, but you're right when you say that people can just know that some shows are deeper than others.
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>>10110653
Welcome to 4chan, where the signal to noise ratio sucks.
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>>10110459

Or deep could actually be a judged or regarded thing, and not an opinion-based way to say you like something. You can like something all you want, but it can be shallow as hell, just as you can hate something all you want but it can still be deep.

Deep can relate to a bunch of stuff, among them being character development or plot. Things try to be deep (not in the sense of "lol this anime is trying to be so deep) in trying to get one of those...areas of deep or...whatever you wish to call it involved in you more than "flashing images in front of my eyes are cool." Whether it tries or fails, is up to opinion.

By that rote though, you can reduce anything to "I liked it"/"I didn't like it" which would pretty much make for boring discussions or pointless ones. It, essentially, makes every post one of those two positions (with the shades of grey in the middle).

Hrm...sorta explaining and backtracking and changing the idea of this a lot, 'cause this is actually making me think a bit. Good show anon. Rare form.
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>>10110553
>I'd say that's pretty deep, wouldn't you agree?
No, because "Deep" doesn't mean anything.

>>10110517
>you KNOW that Ergo Proxy is much deeper than Yu-Gi-Oh GX
No, because "Deep" doesn't mean anything.

>>10110576
>but it's far too generic, even the stupidest anime can make me think
You have a lot more wisdom than most people here. There's also the problem where people call anime they don't understand "Deep" and anime that is perceived as adult "Deep." No one actually attributes any meaning to the word. No one calls Astro Boy "Deep" yet it's better written and has more meaning than Ghost in the Shell: SAC. What's the difference between those two shows, then? Why do people call SAC "Deep" but not AstroBoy?

Two reasons: 1. They likely haven't seen AstroBoy, and 2. SAC is perceived as "Serious" and "For adults." The unintelligent use the word "Deep" as a compliment for shows that aren't "Childish." This thinking is extremely immature, and that's why it needs to stop.
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>>10110605
Trolls don't care enough to use spoiler tags.
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CAUSE THIS IS THRILLERRRRR
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>>10110750
>No, because "Deep" doesn't mean anything.

That sums up the subject matter of this thread perfectly. There is no need for further discourse.
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>>10110459

>>The concepts behind it and how interesting it is are entirely up to you to decide.

Yeaaaah but noooooo.
It's all about common references and a language of a specific world (here : japanese culture, japanimation, otaku culture, etc.) which evolves in more sophisticated ideas.

Let's take examples /a/ can grasp : tsundere is a word, and behind this word, there is an idea. Anyone who knows about anime can grasp this idea. And though tsundere is only a word with a common meaning (or two common meanings...), it's something which has a reality of its own. Now, when a new show is out, we can judge characters by this criteria : is she tsundere or not ?

It's like how everyone is agreeing that "hello" means "hello". I mean, sure you could understand "STRAWBERRY COW" everytime someone said "hello", but "hello" is still "hello".
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>>10109508
THRILLAHHH
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If people think a word means something then it does, that is how language works. If a lot of fucking people think that some books can be deeper than other book then "deep" means something.

If it doesn't mean anything to you than don't post in this thread.
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>>10110917
>If people think a word means something then it does
No one thinks it means anything. It's a word people use when the subject matter is beyond their understanding, or when something is "Adult" instead of "Childish."

>Why do people call SAC "Deep" but not AstroBoy?
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why do people say evangelion is deep?
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>>10111092
Because it had shit named after stuff in the bible.
Giant robots being called angels is deep, man...
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The anime with the best deep to mind-screw ratio is Super Robot Wars OG Divine Wars.
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Sage
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>>10110950
i'm >>10110576
and you're right, but now that i think about it, we might use the literal meaning: deep as something in depth, that is, for example, a show that thouroghly analizes from different perspectives/point of views an idea, theme, etc.
but anime are usually too rooted in japanese culture and history to do something like that.
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>>10111167

i forgot to add that even then one could say that to him the show didn't really say anything new, or that there are perspectives it didn't cover, so unless you make an anime >9000 episodes long about people debating about anything nothing will be satisfactory to this meaning. it's simply not possible to label something as deep, because it won't be deep for everyone. again, we have to use the right context, like "deep for teenagers". in short, i still dunno, lol.
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What's the matter...
Too TROLLAN THRAD for you?
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>>10111275
If you want to have "Deep" mean "An intention presented beyond the cosmetic story" then nigh everything that has an idea to be presented is "Deep" regardless of how many ideas, or how the ideas are worked into the story, and... well... see this crude image for a better explanation.
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>>10111167
You are right, 'deep' when referring to depth is a very general term that could mean a multitude of things, depending on the purpose of the argument at hand, but it's not devoid of meaning. The reason it carries no weight in discourse here is almost completely due to the environment created by that tuffdawg macro and an overall air of resentment toward what are perceived as pretentious or overly complex stories for the sake of complexity. But as it was repeated above, you could avoid it altogether by just using more precise language.

>>10110950
I haven't seen Astro Boy. Nor all of SAC. The latter throws out or has the Tachikomas prattle on about philosophical concepts that, outside of the anime, have depth -- that is, they're multilayered, influential, meaningful to the targeted audience, are a topic of debate and discussion. How much it actually integrates all that into the story of each episode and overall sort of varied.
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>>10111351
>>infinite pool of depth
Anyway it cues the dog.
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Everything perceived as being deep could just as easily be called out as having false depth and thus being pretentious masturbatory garbage. Nothing is truly deep in an objective sense.
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>>10111351
Water pressure, oxygen concentration, light diffusion, the time it would take to swim back to the surface -- how deep do you want to make this metaphor? Some people drown faster than others.
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>>10111092
They meant to say it's complex. Eva is complex because it is a series on how humans interact with each other, as well as being apocalyptic and illustrating the destruction of humanity. It also demonstrates our stubbornness, with the notion that we determine our future when we are merely delaying the inevitable.

The problem is that Anonymous is lazy and instead of having a good discussion thread for each series, they want to pack as many good series into one thread as possible and nothing makes sense.
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>>10111530
neither is "yes it is. you just don't get it."
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>>10111459

True, but wouldn't that just be trolling?

The best way to show that something is not deep and just prententious is to actually watch the show and convey a highly convincing argument that it's not deep.

TLDR: "lol it's not deep you fag" is not a convincing argument.
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>>10111552

Yep
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>>10111530
You can't do this until we fucking understand what "deep" means.

You can argue that something is pretentious because "pretentious" is a rather well-defined word in this context. How can you argue something is or isn't "deep"?

If I say EVA isn't deep because it's a monster-of-the-week show, am I right or wrong? Is the plot construction related to the depth or not? And if it isn't, then what is?
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Paranoia Agent.
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>>10111351

well that's what i said, the objective meaning of deep, would be something that would fill that infinite pool in all its depth. which is, like i said, impossible. but everyone has their own pool, and depending on the depth it becomes easier or harder to fill it, that's why i said we need to use the right contexts. and even those are pretty inaccurate and generic.
also our own depth is always increasing over time so even within ourselves the meaning can't be defined..
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This thread is pretty deep.
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>>10111700

my scrollbar agrees with you
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>>10111625
Well, it definitely isn't monster of the week. I could tell you that much.
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Twelve Kingdoms is the only deep anime.
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Fixed for semantic pedantry.

The gradient follows some sort of bizarre asymptotic function, which in the SERIOUS ANIME ARGUMENT model will rely heavily on subjective interpretation, but this is what the word actually means. Glass half-full, half-empty sort of thing. I think there was a copypasta on a pegboard in SZS about fuzzy logic.
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for me deep = makes you think, relates to real life somehow; using symbolism to attract attention to some problem and such
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If a manga is to become an anime one of the requirments is that it lacks any symbolism and depth of characters... usually no character development either
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PLANETES
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>>10111807
It is.
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>>10111903
Also altering this image in photoshop revealed to me that the blue is stuck off on one of the pixels in the center left of my monitor

Fuck you, /a/
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>>10111459

this is the correct answer. all other replies in this thread can be disregarded



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