what the hell did i just watch? i'm prolly just not as smart as you guys, so i'd like to know what /a/ thinks about this incredibly surreal short film.
By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language. Please don't do this.
lol u tel him
you're quite the pretentious fuckwad, aren't ya?
Wow, you used a semicolon properly. Don't see that too often.
Cirno-kun is as tough as he is witty.
Study hard in high school. Pay attention during English class. It's worth it.
Language doesn't degrade, it just evolves.
When ARE you supposed to fucking use them?
I've always thought that they look nice..
ITT: the english language
You use them in between independent clauses; if the text on either side of the semicolon can't be considered a complete sentence on its own, you're doing it wrong.
It's kind of a redundant punctuation marker in a lot of cases, as a period would suffice.
Reported for faggotry.
you use them when you want to make a ;_; face
A quick Google search and you have your answer; like I did. LOL AM I DOIN IT RITE?
Sage for tripfag circlejerk. Way to make people who use decent English look like a bunch of pretentious faggots.
1. It binds two sentences more closely than they would be if separated by a full stop/period. It often replaces a conjunction such as and or but. Writers might consider this appropriate where they are trying to indicate a close relationship between two sentences, or a 'run-on' in meaning from one to the next; they might not want the connection to be broken by the abrupt use of a full stop.
2. It is used as a stronger division than a comma to make meaning clear in a sentence where commas are being used for other purposes. A common example of this use is to separate the items of a list when some of the items themselves contain commas.
3. Use a semicolon between closely related independent clauses not joined by a coordinating conjunction: "I went to the pool; I was informed that it was closed due to scheduled maintenance."
4. Use a semicolon between independent clauses linked with a transitional phrase or conjunctive adverb: "I like to eat cows; they don't, however, like to be eaten by me."
5. Use a semicolon between items in a series containing internal punctuation: "There are several Waffle Houses in Atlanta, Georgia; Greenville, South Carolina; Gainesville, Florida; and Mobile, Alabama."
6. A semicolon can be used to separate independent clauses that are joined by coordinating conjunctions when the clauses have internal commas that might lead to misreading: "After the game, I won a red beanie baby, four edible ingots, and a certificate of excellence; but when the storm came, I lost it all in a torrent of sleet, snow, and profanity."
I think derailing a cat soup thread is even better grounds personally.
so... is anyone gonna make any comments about the short, or are we going back to 5th grade english class here?
I think we should continue our English Discussion.
It's the weekend. Threads about things actually worth discussing are doomed to failure regardless.
You'd be surprised how many people on this board would fail a 5th grade grammar test. Particularly if the test were on discerning between homophones like their, there and they're.
I for one encourage any form of instruction on literacy that /a/ can offer these fuckwads.
Cat Soup is awesome and should be required viewing, but it should be watched after you've expirenced some Masaaki Yuasa before.
Cat soup is a good short.
The people who mix those up are usually just lazy faggots who don't pay attention to what they type. If forced to think about it, they'd be able to distinguish between they're, their, and there.
Yuasa is both a revolutionary animator and a genius director. Cat Soup is brilliant. I can't wait for Kaiba. Fuck yeah.
Hmmm... Let me try.
Hey Cirno, by using that semicolon, and correcting the OP's grammar; you look like a hypocritical fool. Please fuck off to another board you dickless piece of shit.
You're doing it wrong. See >>10108438
> Hey Cirno, by using that semicolon, and correcting the OP's grammar
This is not a complete sentence. You can't use a semicolon unless you're connecting two complete sentences.
He used a semi-colon correctly, you fucking idiot. How does that make him a hypocrite? Do you know what that word means?
LOL he used the semicolon completely wrong. "By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation" is NOT A FULL SENTANCE.
Cat soup was a confusing, surreal film full of religious symbolism; shinto, Christianity, and Buddhism were all represented, yet overall there was no clear message.
THAT'S HOW YOU USE A SEMICOLON DUMBFUCKS
It is to laugh, you accompanied him to the pub.
>>Wow, you used a semicolon properly. Don't see that too often.
>>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language. Please don't do this.
Not a correct use of a semicolon, sorry.
I was trying to read this post; The faggotry made it unbearable.
Is this good?
ib4 someone corrects you on capitalization
Please actually go through college. A semicolon can be used in place of a comma where it has a different use than the previous comma.
Fuck. You could even read this thread and find that usage. (>>10108490) I guess that`s just too hard for you, right?
This thread is an aborted 5th grade grammar class. Please call me when you all have graduated.
>>A semicolon can be used in place of a comma where it has a different use than the previous comma.
Entirely untrue. Furthermore, the first comma Cirno used was, in fact, incorrect in itself.
1. Use a semicolon between closely related independent clauses not joined by a coordinating conjunction: "I went to the pool; I was informed that it was closed due to scheduled maintenance."
2. Use a semicolon between independent clauses linked with a transitional phrase or conjunctive adverb: "I like to eat cows; they don't, however, like to be eaten by me."
3. Use a semicolon between items in a series containing internal punctuation: "There are several Waffle Houses in Atlanta, Georgia; Greenville, South Carolina; Gainesville, Florida; and Mobile, Alabama."
4. A semicolon can be used to separate independent clauses that are joined by coordinating conjunctions when the clauses have internal commas that might lead to misreading: "After the game, I won a red beanie baby, four edible ingots, and a certificate of excellence; but when the storm came, I lost it all in a torrent of sleet, snow, and profanity."
DURR DURR HURR HURR DURR
DURR HURR DURR
IM SMRUTER THAN UR
Both of these posts are accurate examples of literary semicolon usage.
I fucking hate you kids; your hubris irritates me.
Oh man, you guys are geniuses!
number 1 is plain wrong, the rest are fine
grammar: what you use when you can't call some one out on the actual content of their post.
in other news, cirno is a successful and clever troll as always.
I liked Nekojiru Gekijou better.
>>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language. Please don't do this.
Let's deconstruct this sentence, shall we? Let us take the first clause:
>>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalization
The use of a comma here is incorrect. Commas are only appropriate before conjunctions if they connect two independent clauses or if they separate objects in a list of three or more.
>>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language.
A semicolon is inappropriate here. Semicolons are used to separate two complete sentences; the first half of the sentence is a dependent clause, meaning it cannot stand alone as a sentence.
>>Please don't do this.
This is grammatically correct. However, the phrase "Please don't do this" should never be used in the context of a tripfag improperly correcting someone else's grammar.
That is correct semicolon usage.
LEARN THE DIFFERENCE
Quick, go edit Wikipedia!
>The use of a comma here is incorrect.
How many times do I have to tell you to finish school?
It`s almost like you are faking stupidity to try and make people respond to you. Read books. Take a literature class. Do anything to understand English beyond your elementary school grammar book.
>>in other news, cirno is a successful and clever troll as always.
He wasn't trolling. He just knows that a thread about Cat Soup should never actually be about Cat Soup.
/a/ - WE SPELL AND HAVE BETTER GRAMMAR THAN YOU!
/v/ - 0/10 gtfo niggers.
It genuinely bothers some people. Like me. A person who doesn't bother making complete sentences and using correct punctuation is reminiscent of a gaiafag who abbreviates everything, uses the word 'lol' too much and fags up his post with smiley faces.
I like to nip things at the bud, and call people out for their faggotry before it progresses too far.
>I IGNORE MY OBVIOUS MISTAKE AND STATE THAT THE POSTER IS WRONG WITHOUT STATING WHY
blah blah blah grammar nazi faggotry
I'm going to misspell your just to see what you're reaction is.
Would you like me to deconstruct his sentence? You are obviously too stupid to do it yourself, but I don`t mind educating you.
>By using words like this
>and failing to use proper capitalisation
>you are contributing to the degradation of language
Commas are used to separate the parenthetical element, and the semicolon replaces the second comma. You can see why in grammar rule 2 from this post: >>10108490
All of you who say Cirno are wrong, need to go back to 5th grade English; and get a descent education this time.
I'd have been pissed if you claimed to misspell it and then used the correct word. That would imply that you really didn't know better.
Since you did it wrong properly, I won't rage.
For some reason, I don't think you know a parenthetical phrase is.
after failing so much in English during high school an obsure thread in /a/ has enlightened me.
ITT the OP gets completely ignored in favour of english majors (and amateurs) nerd raging at each other.
Perhaps the same could be said of ALL threads on /a/.
Not really, though it would be better than the current state anyway.
Your words are as empty as this thread! Mankind ill needs a poster such as you!
>...Cirno are wrong...
The irony burns.
that's because the op's question has not answer: cat soup is surreal, it doesn't really make sense. we might as well talk about what dogs see with sunglasses on.
Pretty sure that was intentional. He misspelled 'decent' too.
...you're either a very clever or a very stupid person. On 4chan, you can't really tell one from the other. Either way, I'm amazed; good job.
They see the world in a whole new light.
so what do they see?
seeing on how they are colorblind wouldn't they not be able to see at all?
I was about to fall for it when I saw the "Cirno are" text, but then I read the "descent" part.
They're partially colorblind, I think it's like red-green color blindness in humans, but don't quote me on that.
Also, they look mighty cool.
i tried putting sunglasses on my dog and i tied them to keep them on, but then he was all confused and didn't know where he was going.
oh god i lol'd so much at the pic. that dog looks fucking badass.
btw i thought dogs only saw black and white or something like that. so with sunglasses they would see.. black and grey?
but this new information blew my mind. brb meditation.
you guys fucking ruined a cat soup thread.
/a/ is dead
You call that ruining? It's the best thread on /a/ right now.
Cat Soup isn't that great anyways.
That's not saying much.
IS THIS GAR?
what the hell is catsoup?some sort of southeast asian delicacy?
That, among other things.
Wow, how the hell are there so many English nerds who can defend an abomination like
"By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language."
I mean, seriously, wtf.
Because it's right, you incorrigable idiot. Gb2/highschool/, and don't come back until you have.
Cat Soup threads can never be about Cat Soup, that's the ponit of Cat Soup.
That's what makes this thread funny and win. /a/ itself would be a lot more win if people could do this to naruto/op/bleach threads though.
Wow, I seriously clicked on this thread looking for Cat Soup discussion; EVERY POST IS ABOUT FUCKING SEMICOLONS.
I have mental filters when I browse /a/. The first one is for filtering out shit. It gets used a lot. The second one is copypasta. The third one is idiots.
If you can't put together a coherent sentence, I'm going to assume that you can't formulate a coherent opinion. You'd be amazed at how often you find a correlation between someone who can't tell the difference between your/you're and someone whose arguments are full of holes. It's almost safe to disregard them completely. It's easier to browse when you filter out stuff that you didn't really want to read anyway.
>>10111323 Because it's right, you incorrigable idiot.
Lol, you're a good troll.
He replaced the second comma from the end of the parenthetical phrase with a semicolon. That\'s 100% accurate.
See rule 2 >>10108490.
"Rule 2" becomes a catch-all if you interpret it like that. A comma is the natural punctuation mark to use in that position.
He randomly threw a semi-colon into the middle of his sentence. Unless of course you were being sarcastic, then I completely missed it.
But his main point was `You are contributing to the degradation of language` which he highlighted with that semicolon.
It`s only a fucking catch all if you are not actually highlighting anything with it. Go to college. Honestly.
your a fagot
so, after the haughty guy who claims cirno is correct posted this, pretty much all argument over it seemed to stop. well, with the exception of this:
after someone called him out on not explaining anything, i'd expect that if he was actually wrong someone would argue against the points in >>10109975; so, is the condescending bastard right?
Why don't you produce an example of semicolon usage in the NYT or Economist that resembles Cirno's? Or even any scholarly journal or other reputable source?
Actually I remember working with an editor who would use semicolons randomly, sort of like Cirno. I would correct him but he never seemed to learn. I suppose you do the same thing.
You're still going at it? Hahaha, oh wow.
I love you, /a/. I really do.
Because it`s not formal procedure. That kind of shit is used in literature, not reputable journalism.
You do not want the Economist to read like free-flowing conversation. Christ.
So you're telling me that I can gauge the quality of my English teachers by copying the grammatical form of Cirno's post, using it somewhere in a paper, and seeing if they correct it?
Oh god Cirno, what did you do!?
Depends on what class it is. Formal writing? Enjoy your shit grade. Creative writing? It won`t be corrected.
Cirno's usage of the semicolon was incorrect! It should of been a comma, instead.
It was nearly hidden on a New York City Transit public service placard exhorting subway riders not to leave their newspaper behind when they get off the train.
“Please put it in a trash can,” riders are reminded. After which Neil Neches, an erudite writer in the transit agency’s marketing and service information department, inserted a semicolon. The rest of the sentence reads, “that’s good news for everyone.”
Semicolon sightings in the city are unusual, period, much less in exhortations drafted by committees of civil servants. In literature and journalism, not to mention in advertising, the semicolon has been largely jettisoned as a pretentious anachronism.
Americans, in particular, prefer shorter sentences without, as style books advise, that distinct division between statements that are closely related but require a separation more prolonged than a conjunction and more emphatic than a comma.
“When Hemingway killed himself he put a period at the end of his life,” Kurt Vonnegut once said. “Old age is more like a semicolon.”
In terms of punctuation, semicolons signal something New Yorkers rarely do. Frank McCourt, the writer and former English teacher at Stuyvesant High School, describes the semicolon as the yellow traffic light of a “New York sentence.” In response, most New Yorkers accelerate; they don’t pause to contemplate.
Semicolons are supposed to be introduced into the curriculum of the New York City public schools in the third grade. That is where Mr. Neches, the 55-year-old New York City Transit marketing manager, learned them, before graduating from Tilden High School and Brooklyn College, where he majored in English and later received a master’s degree in creative writing.
But, whatever one’s personal feelings about semicolons, some people don’t use them because they never learned how.
In fact, when Mr. Neches was informed by a supervisor that a reporter was inquiring about who was responsible for the semicolon, he was concerned.
“I thought at first somebody was complaining,” he said.
One of the school system’s most notorious graduates, David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam serial killer who taunted police and the press with rambling handwritten notes, was, as the columnist Jimmy Breslin wrote, the only murderer he ever encountered who could wield a semicolon just as well as a revolver. (Mr. Berkowitz, by the way, is now serving an even longer sentence.)
But the rules of grammar are routinely violated on both sides of the law.
People have lost fortunes and even been put to death because of imprecise punctuation involving semicolons in legal papers. In 2004, a court in San Francisco rejected a conservative group’s challenge to a statute allowing gay marriage because the operative phrases were separated incorrectly by a semicolon instead of by the proper conjunction.
Louis Menand, an English professor at Harvard and a staff writer at The New Yorker, pronounced the subway poster’s use of the semicolon to be “impeccable.”
Lynne Truss, author of “Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation,” called it a “lovely example” of proper punctuation.
Geoffrey Nunberg, a professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, praised the “burgeoning of punctuational literacy in unlikely places.”
Allan M. Siegal, a longtime arbiter of New York Times style before retiring, opined, “The semicolon is correct, though I’d have used a colon, which I think would be a bit more sophisticated in that sentence.”
The linguist Noam Chomsky sniffed, “I suppose Bush would claim it’s the effect of No Child Left Behind.”
New York City Transit’s unintended agenda notwithstanding, e-mail messages and text-messaging may jeopardize the last vestiges of semicolons. They still live on, though, in emoticons, those graphic emblems of our grins, grimaces and other facial expressions.
The semicolon, befittingly, symbolizes a wink.
>You do not want the Economist to read like free-flowing conversation. Christ.
Lolwut, are you saying that this supposed "special" use of the semicolon is used only for free-flowing conversation? The sort of conversations where authors exercise particular license in testing the limits of usage rules?
The point is that you won't find a usage like Cirno's in any mainstream, educated text, written in a conversational tone or not. Trying to assert that it's valid because you've seen it in literature just plain irrelevant. Although I'd still be interested in seeing a quote from a book that demonstrates this supposedly "valid" usage.
It`s not fucking special. Semicolons are used in place of commas when the writer wants a different kind of pause. How often do I have to highlight this for you?
>It is used as a stronger division than a comma
There you go. Contest this further, and you are an idiot.
That's one place where they have evolved to be, but there are other places where they are used.
>The linguist Noam Chomsky sniffed, “I suppose Bush would claim it’s the effect of No Child Left Behind.”
You could all as well be talking about Cat Syrup.
THE BOMBIGNANT RELAYS THE HORROR...
VIA INTERPRETIVE DANCE!
Merely reword it:
You are contributing to the degradation of language by using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation.
You are contributing to the degradation of language by using words — such as prolly — and failing to use proper capitalisation.
No semicolon needed there, fuckers.
> Semicolons are used in place of commas when the writer wants a different kind of pause.
In your creative writing class, yes, but not in mainstream usage. You just keep asserting this but you won't even show a single example, from mainstream writing or otherwise, to back it up.
>>10113693 Contest this further, and you are an idiot.
Now you're just trolling.
Archive this nao!
>>10113832 by using words — such as prolly — and failing to use proper capitalisation.
This could have been an interesting thread. Thanks a bunch for ruining it, you fag.
You are denying a form of semicolon usage just because it`s not formal. 4chan is not formal writing, it`s conversational.
The grammar rule explicitly states that a semicolon can be used in place of a comma. You are the only one who thinks that English conversation is 100% cut and dry.
Do you want your example of there being multiple `Correct` forms of punctuation? Here it is:
>The semicolon is correct, though I`d have used a colon
I love you /a/
>>10109975 Commas are used to separate the parenthetical element, and the semicolon replaces the second comma.
Since when could semicolons replace commas separating a parenthetical clause willy-nilly? Don't give me that "it's a rule" shit, quote some specific sources or sites.
The em dash, or m dash, m-rule, etc., (—), indicates a parenthetical thought—like this one—or some similar interpolation.
Thread got boring after this post.
>>10113917 The grammar rule explicitly states that a semicolon can be used in place of a comma.
Oh ho, there we go. So essentially you're saying every comma can be replaced by a semicolon and be "grammatically correct". Guess what buddy, I think most people, educated or not, would say you're totally wrong.
>The semicolon is correct, though I`d have used a colon
Yes, a colon would be fine as well in that sentence. I'd have gone with it myself.
>Since when could semicolons replace commas
>It is used as a stronger division than a comma
>Don't give me that "it's a rule" shit, quote some specific sources or sites.
Oh, okay. So you aren't looking for proof. You're just ignoring grammatical rules that contradict your stance, so you can be "Correct" on the Internet. Good show.
> You are denying a form of semicolon usage just because it`s not formal. 4chan is not formal writing, it`s conversational.
lol @ irony, did you notice that cirno was bitching about the OP using an informal word like "prolly"
You are the best troll ever. Thanks.
That`s not informal. That`s just not a real word.
"By using words like this; you are contributing to the degradation of language." Do you think this is correct?
Please use the single quotation mark instead of the prime symbol.
There are plenty of variations on that sentence that are correct.
>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation; you are contributing to the degradation of language.
>By using words like this, and failing to use proper capitalisation, you are contributing to the degradation of language.
>By using words like this -- and failing to use proper capitalisation -- you are contributing to the degradation of language.
>By using words like this (and failing to use proper capitalisation) you are contributing to the degradation of language.
I feel sad that I probably just got massively trolled ;__________;
That was also correct, but I am just changing the punctuation, not the entire structure.
But not the sentence without the parenthetical phrase I wrote?
so, about cat soup...
The meaning of Cat Soup is English grammar. /a/ agreed, don't bother them about it.
Go write in your crazy-ass semicolon-goes-anywhere style then, I'll stick to mainstream educated usage, thanks.
Even if an englishfag told me that it was technically correct, I would never write like that. Shit fucking sucks. I only use semicolons in two cases: lists where the elements contain commas, and in place of a period to strengthen connection between sentences.
You just summed it up nicely. Actually, it would have to be a pretty fail Englishfag who would tell you that you could (much less should) use a semicolon after a dependent clause. But what would you expect for a weirdo who uses ` instead of ' anyway.
is it possible to make a cat soup thread in which people will actually discuss cat soup? if so, how would one go about doing this? keeping in mind that i'm aware of the connotations involved in the making of a cat soup thread; eg i'm willing to accept taking some flak for just a smidgen of good, useful information.
personally, i loved cat soup. i thought it was deep.
And thanks for the "LOL GURO!" image BTW ... I REALLY need my daily throwing my guts out ...
i figured it would make for an attention-grabbing cap
deepest shit is deepest.
I could go on to list all the symbolisms, but theres just too much.
I had to watch a couple of times to find most of them.
though i don't understand the 'hansel and gretel' styled man with the mouse+scissors fetish. . .
great animu, everyone should watch it.
really the only way to get it is to watch it a few times.
You were just unlucky today, and you have Cirno, SaiGAR_Loser, and one anon who types ` to thank for that. Trio of massive fail.
HAI GAISE WUTS GOING ON IN DIS THREAD???''?
we're discussing Cat Soup, would you like to join?
you would expect it to be a commentary on the cruelty of man, ect ect. the film was so contridicting in it's message, tho. the protagonists in the story are incredibly cruel (beating the pig to death that carried them through the desert, for instance), even though they themselves have been slighted by man. i think the film has a very machiavellian outlook on life. It reminds me of animal farm in a sort of sick way
My favorite part was when Father Time (or maybe god) got the fruit stuck in the gears of time and you saw the whale you saw in the near beginning, when they went to the circus.
I loved the reoccuring things, like the flower at his house and a few other things.
I showed this to a friend, and he said "lol, this is so random"
I said Fuck you, this is probably deeper than anything you have ever seen. He's an idiot, i'm never showing him anything nice again.
people don't make such a story out of sheer randomness, there has to be at least some motivation behind it.