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Let's discuss Elfen Lied!

Is it godawful like /a/ claims, or is it a deep, profound masterpiece like every other animu site says?
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>>10108010
neither.
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Manga is pretty bad, btw.
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It's neither. It's not a bad way to pass the time, there's nothing more to it than that.
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Somewhere in between.
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>>10108022
What this anon said.
It didn't suck, but it wasn't deep AT ALL either. It was just a relatively entertaining animu.
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It's fairly average, not as bad as /a/ says it is and not nearly as good as the rabid fanbase says it is.
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>>10108029
OH MY GOD
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It's shit.
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>Let's discuss Elfen Lied!

Let's not.
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I actually enjoyed it thoroughly.

*brace for shitstorm*
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Fuck you /a/.
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Neither.
It's got its flaws, but EL is deeper than 95% of the cesspool shit /a/ watches AND PRAISES. Unlike most ambiguous shit here, it actually does have symbolism, and its got some surpisingly inuitive things to say about society and good & evil.
Don't listen to /a/'s bitching about how it's an "lol deep" anime-suki animu. It's surprisingly good shit.
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>>10108106
Lol yes. I watched Princess Tutu for a couple of episodes and was really confused about what /a/ had to say about it, so I can relate. /a/'s opinions are really fucktarded sometimes.
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It's not masterpiece and anyone who says it is doesn't know shit. It's worth watching for the violence and soundtrack, though.

Then you watch Higurashi and forgot all about Elfen Lied.
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>>10108029
The manga really does suck.
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>>10108169
Higurashi sucks ass btw
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>>10108106
...no it doesn't. It's 100% fluff.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. EL was entertaining for the gore and had good music, but did not have any shred of depth.
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shitsux,pointless guro fanservice anime starring an emo/chii heroine and a generic harem lead loser.
how deep do you think it is?
do them math.
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Elfen Lied - The prime suspect behind the red filler tool. Random limbs splashed across the screen and lolis, what a great combination! I could stand the first 10 minutes, as ridiculous as it is. But once the nyuu~ shit started happened it became a chore to force my way through it. And then there was the extremely forced drama, and the random harem that happens, and the logic of the characters ("We just found a naked girl who acts like a cat complete with cat ears, let's take her home and make her do chores!"), and the sound design. I know that last point is one you're hardly ever going to hear, but it's true. Normally anime sound design is absolute shit and I've come to accept that, but Elfen Lied is the pantheon of shit sound design.
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the manga is full of lulz the anime too

but if you watch/read it for something other then then lulz you have committed a sin towards anime
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You can also view it as a skewering of the standard harem anime dynamic.

Regardless, its a fun watch, if nothing else.
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>deep
>deep
>deep
>deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEE
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>>10108106

Pretty much,what was said earlier. It's not the deepest animu ever, but it is good. It's symbolism was rather light considering its short lived number of episodes.
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>>10108216
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>>10108212
>LOL NOT DEEP YOU WANT DEEP GO WATCH KAIJI LOL GORE AND PANTIES NOTHING DEEP ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL ELFEN LIED WAS
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>>10108317
If Elfen Lied was deep, fucking explain it.
"BULLYING IS BAD" was the whole message of Lucy's backstory.
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If you didn't think Elfen Lied had any symbolism or depth to what it portrayed, you weren't paying enough attention.
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it's fucking ultraviolent, real horror show. which is the main reason i enjoyed it
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Shut up, Elfen Lied is too profound for you charlatans to comprehend.
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>>10108351

lolz
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>>10108349
Learn your horror shows. Sure, a show like Elfen Lied may have had more blood, but that was also all it had: lots of blood and random limbs gushed over the screen, but it never really went further than that. Shigurui carries gore to an entirely next level. The amount of detail is astonishing; the creators have an amazing amount of medical knowledge, and they use al of it. When a finger gets broken, you see exactly which bones dislocate. When an arm gets cut off, you see exactly how the muscles grow back. And that’s what makes it such an effective horror-series.
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It's not bad but it's not good either. Watch it for the violence, but if you're expecting anything more you're going to be disappointed. It's not deep or anything, though some think that emo = deep. Well, it's not.
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>>10108347
Too DEEP for me, I am sure!

Elfen Lied fails as a critique on humanity or whatever because the characterization makes no fucking sense. PEOPLE DON'T ACT LIKE THAT.
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SEASON TWO WHERE!!?
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this anime is not fetish pandering, it is deep. lucky pissing herself was to show her now childlike nature.
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>>10108419
Listen to this man
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>>10108471

Good show! That might just silence the tasteless critics around here.
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>>10108471
Just like how Nozomi, in the manga, wears diapers....it's ALL coincidence...right? I think not. Mr. Okamoto has some pretty infantilistic fetishes.
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Elfen Lied is the japanese equivalent of a B horror movie. It works as a cheap thrill. Ridiculously over the top gore, sex, violence and other things you can't usually see on TV.

What pisses me off are the pretentious teens who think this show is deep.
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>>10108055
>>10108174
Get the fuck out, Nozomi is the best fucking thing in the mango. Which is superior to the anime. Shitty, short, plotline is shitty and short.
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>>10108346
The depth of the general story of Elfen Lied is that of racism, ostracization, bullying, ethnic purification, bullying, segregation and domination that has been seen present in humanity since the dawn of time.
"In persecuting those we view as 'inhuman', we thusly become less human than those we persecute". That is the message behind Elfen Lied.
The Nazi Party viewed Jews as sub-human. They ended up committing one of the most revolting inhuman acts in history. The American settlers viewed Native Americans as sub-human. Their slaughter is a scar on the face of history.
Elfen Lied just replaces Jews and Native Americans with Diclonus, and scales their numbers down to individuals rather than entire races as the examples above.

Elfen Lied also presents conflicting visions of good and evil in nearly every facet of human life, showing its opposite extremes.
Science can be used for beneficial purposes such as curing diseases, or it can be used to torture little kids with cruel experimentation in the name progress. Sex can be an expression of love between two individuals coming together, or it can be perverted and used by a pedophile to victimize a child. Lethal weapons (be it guns or Diclonus-arms) and warfare can be used to protect the innocent and save loved ones or murder the innocent and take loved ones away.
All are illustrated in Elfen Lied.
Lucy herself was an example of evil and innocence living in the same body. A monster of bloodlust crafted by the uncaring world around her, and an embodiment of her own lost innocence, both guided to the enlightenment of human emotion through friendship with those around her, eventually becoming truly human in both cognizance and definition, more so than the people in the organization who sought to capture, control, exploit or destroy her.
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>>10108571
Whoops, typo or two there. get rid of that second "bullying". Forgot to delete it when I moved it in the list.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
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>>10108571
>The Nazi Party

Godwin's law.

Actually, I have no idea whether your post is trollpasta or not.
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>>10108571
And you say all those 12 year olds kids, who say Elfen Lied is the best anime ever, have figured this out? I beg to differ.
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Elfen Lied tried to have symbolism and depth, but failed miserably.

Additionally, the gore was all boring and meaningless because of the shitty pacing and lack of character development.
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>>10108652
The Nazi Party and the Holocaust are referenced often in regards to evil because it was an extreme, mind-blowing example of evil.
What? Because it's referenced often we're not allowed to use it as an example?

Also, not copypasta.
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>>10108667
I never said that. They merely think they have.
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>>10108571
I would like to say there's no justifying Lucy in the manga.

She's just a bitch with a mean streak and the means to kill.
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>>10108571
srsly, you are reading way too much into it.
At least if you read the manga, it becomes embarassingly apparent that the author has no idea what he wants to do with the series.

and again, the characterization of the main characters is really badly done. the dialogue is laughably bad.
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>>10108711
Stalin was more evil and killed more people. It'd be a better example.
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x-men with lolis, in a nutshell
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>>10108751
The manga sucks anyway. Why are you reading it?
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>>10108571

Pretentious copypasta is pretentious.

I mean seriously, the themes you find in Elfen Lied can be found in even the simplest fanfiction.

Prosecution against a different race? So many stories already do this that it's become rare to find a story that DOESN'T do this.

Science being used for evil? If you didn't realize this by fifth grade, then I can't help you.

Lucy being a combination of good/evil? She's just your typical good person with a dark side that you see in nearly every action anime. Maybe if she was unique in some way it would have helped, but this theme has been hammered in so much that it's lost its impact.

Now I understand that I'm probably replying to a troll, but I know that there are many people who really believe this crap. I actually enjoyed Elfen Lied, but DEEP anime it is not.
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>>10108766
Isn't "reading too much into it" quite often the case? Heck, if you bother to think a bit, you can make Hokuto no Ken look really deep with Kenshiro being a saviour like Jesus and bullshit like that, but the truth is that it's just a violence manga with from little to no depth.

Hokuto no Ken is still pretty awesome, though.
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>godwin's law

learn your internets fags, godwin's law refers to comparing one's opinions to that of a nazi, calling someone a nazi and the like. using it to make a point in a discussion by comparing the subject/subsubject to nazis/hitler is not godwin's law in action.

elfen lied is shit, take out the violence and you're left with just that - shit. it's about as DEEP as saw or braindead.
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>>10108823
DURR HURR, because a theme has been used at some point in media prior it automatically negates any value it has.
Also, Lucy didn't have a "dark side" or "bad side", she had two completely different personalities that resulted from her already unstable psychological state combined with the physical trauma of an anti-tank round to the side of her head, the two of which at first were completely unaware of each other's existence.
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>>10108774
I was just recalling the chapter where Bandou died.

I'm actually reading Hellsing, it's about time and I want to know about Girlycard so I can mindfuck a friend of mine.
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it's a piece of shit for pretentious teenagers. worse than ayn rand.
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anyone who doesn't think it was pretentious or wasn't trying to be deep clearly forgot the OP
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>>10109106

All Elfen Lied threads end up like this anyway.
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>>10109077
as much as I love it, Hellsing is quite a pretentious manga too
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>DURR HURR, because a theme has been used at some point in media prior it automatically negates any value it has.

No, but if it's a theme that anybody with taste in literature has already learned at the age of 10, then it kinda loses its impact.

The point of true depth is that makes people stop and think because the story creates a completely new perspective on morals, life, or what have you.

If you didn't already know about the themes presented by Elfen Lied, then you need to read a book. Heck, a history book will do as it already shows how racism, prosecution, and technology can lead to suffering.

The only way Elfen Lied could stand out is if it executed its themes in a brilliant way, but it doesn't do that either. Especially with its poor dialogue, rampant harem cliches, blatant pandering to fetishes, and the artwork doesn't help either. You may not have noticed it because you were too busy listenting to the music (which is admittedly great), but the manga really shows its flaws.
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Violence and nudity = for adults, (wrong assumption)
for adults = deep. (even more wrong)
Hence Violence and nudity = deep.
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Screw you guys

I like Elfen Lied because it was one of the first anime I ever watched and I was in disbelief that anime could be so violent and have such a dark tone to it.
Don't care about 'deep' or whatever /a/ is BAWWWing about
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>I was in disbelief that anime could be so violent and have such a dark tone to it.

under what rock have you been you living? in my country, the general stereotype of anime is "chinease violent porn cartoons". and EL is bad and you should feel bad for liking it.
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>>10109296
A country where spelling and comprehensive reading is part of basic education.
Also, people don't really care about anime here, and the only anime I was familiar with at the time was Kenshin.
And no I don't feel bad for liking Elfen Lied, and never will.
Now go watch some Chinease porn toons.
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Elfen Lied is mediocre; no more, no less.

>>10109239
That's a bullshit reason to like it. So if Uwe Boll's shit was your intro to films, you'd like it too since it's also full of violence and "dark themes"?
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>>10109170
no. maybe the ova. the manga is absolutely over the top and meaningless and the author acknowledges it. just because he threw in a few poems or phrases like bird hermes doesn't make it pretentious. it was all for style.
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>>10109330
ever herd of nostalgia
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It had a great OP that pretty much set the tone for the rest of the series. At first glance it looked beautiful and meaningful, with all the Klimt rip-offs and hymns, but then you realised that they were just rip-offs and random bible passages.

It poured so much misery onto it's characters that it became at once absurd and affecting.
It gave us the horrorshow of Nana.

Try not to think to hard while watching it, and it's easy to get swept away in it.

Pic related on a 4+.
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>>10109354
It was the Schrodinger's Cat and dividing by zero parts which I was referring to, and it is brimming with references at every turn, I enjoy that part of it, its nice to read something that has done his research, but you're right Hirano does admit that its not serious and he just does what he feels like as it goes along so its not as obnoxious as Elfen Lied
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>>10109425
Warhammer fag...
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Harem animu with catgirls disguised as a deep philosophical musing on the human condition.



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