>tanks surrounding someone less than 20 feet
>fires a shot not giving a fuck about friendly fire
It's like the Japs are so retarded when it comes to warfare. No wonder they lost the war against us.
Fuck off Eurofag
It's like OP is so retarded when it comes to fansubs. No wonder his thread is a piece of shit.
Cthuko is the new Hadena or something? it was that or horriblesubs, you faggot
What's wrong with [Cthuko]? Weren't they the ones subbing Yozakura?
They're probably using anti-personnel weapons instead of anti-tank shells.
They don't understand the fact that Kamikaze tacticts don't apply everywhere, especially with tanks.
Technically it only got worse after the war since they had to get rid of the imperial military and replace it with the self-defense forces
Tanks are a relic
>They're probably using anti-personnel weapons instead of anti-tank shells.
Still not great to be shooting at your own side.
Most people don't understand that for a tank 1km-2km is short range. At ranges less than 500m it starts getting really hard to accurately target things.
>this is how I play Command and Conquer
They trolled leechers by pretending they dropped Yozakura before the last episode and that got various retards all bothered.
>authors writing retarded stories have to be knowledgeable about warfare
Also any story you'd write would also contain wnormous amounts of military retardation.
They play with FF off
Why didn't they used the machine gun on the top of the tanks?
If you're claiming that tanks are only used for long ranges, you're a gigantic idiot.
Because lolis aren't weak to bullets.
Why did they really feel it was necessary to fire a tank shell at a loli
why didn't they just run her over?
>If you're claiming that tanks are only used for long ranges, you're a gigantic idiot.
I'm claiming that 1000m isn't that far.
It sounds and looks better than machine gun fire.
4 hours in paint
only 2 tanks are facing each other in a way that they'd hit each other
get wrekt op just get fukn wrekt
Why is there a chilly bin and all that ammo on the top of the tank
>In each others' line of fire
HEY JAPAN, WOULD IT KILL YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW WAR WORKS?
Because tanks can carry shit? like any other vehicle? This isn't hard.
Shoot towards the ground. Friendly fire problem solved.
Kate has bullshit powers. I'm pretty sure she's superhuman.
Again, the running theory is that her parents/the government experimented on her as a young child. Now she doesn't age normally and has some kind of pseudo-magic ability.
Why are the Japs using jewish tanks?
You heard me.
Those are Type 10s, not Merkavas. Try again.
That's what happens when you try to isolate yourself for hundreds of years, then later have you army smashed, and get reduced to having just a self defence force.
You can't aim towards the ground with a tank, noob
there are a shit ton of countries who would be jealous of Japan's military forces.
Like what? africa? LMAO
The average /a/non has absolutely 0 relevant knowledge about warfare despite their claims so it's pointless to argue.
The only thing that has stopped Japan's nationalists from taking over the government, ripping up that self defense clause, and shoving their entire fuckhuge self defense force up someone's ass is the Pacific Ocean.
There are a shit ton of /a/nons that are in the miltary.
Who wouldn't want to be under the protection of glorious USA military.
I'm no tank expert but I'm pretty sure the barrel can slightly aim low just like how it can aim high.
Japan has the means to protect themselves from best Korea if they go apeshit. They just don't advertise it to the world.
They couldn't do shit to China, but hell, who could?
Yeah and I'm the President Obongo.
Japan is a very hilly, mountainous area with lots of heavy forest. As are China are SEA.
They didn't have tanks in WW2.
>They couldn't do shit to China, but hell, who could?
Nuh uh, my dad works at Tom Clancy
Assuming no nuclear warfare, it would take a coalition to stand up to just China.
But nukes exist, so all of this is moot. M.A.D. Every living thing on the planet would die.
They did have tanks in WW2. But those tanks were made to curbstomp nations that had no tanks, and Japan stuck with their old ass tanks for the entire length of the war while everyone else was pumping out new tank models every year.
And this one got somewhat assblasted by that scene.
Anybody else notice what the round the tank fired looked like?
Japan 5th largest defense budget in the world, and an actual green water navy helps. They are even getting helicopter carriers, and the US will supply them up the ass as a buffer.
Japan purchased tanks during WW1 and had about a thousand available. China also had tanks available in WW2.
Why didn't they just send out drones?
I'm not an expert on artillery, but this looks like a kinetic penetrator; note the long thin rod. It's disigned to defeat armour by focusing energy at a single point and maximizing the amount of mass in the projectile. It has no explosive charge.
Which is miles better than borderline troll sub.
I'd reckon Africa would be able to beat Japan in a war. They got numbers and more AKs.
Actually, a war in general might be good for Africa. Unite the nation, start a wartime economy, and then transition into blue collar-centric factory work a la post depression America.
People who think this have no clue about modern warfare.
It's still limited by the same things it was in the past.
For the same reason China and India have had one war in their long histories, is the same reasons China will always be susceptible to attacks.
Here's why China would get fucked: easy to cross desert right into the heart of their territory. They're defended by mountain ranged to the south, but the north has nothing and their long ass coast means their weak navy would get abused.
Shouldn't the casing split off? Or is it because they were too close (HURRAH ANIME).
It's a HEAT round so it does have an explosive charge but a focused one.
The chinks went to war with India?
Yeah, 1,000 compared to the 10k+ of other big players in Europe
It's a cartoon
border shit over kashmir.
The Chinese push India's shit in every now and then when the army gets bored enough. The Chinese-Indian border is one of the heaviest militarized borders in all of Asia. Nobody wants to talk about it, though, because China doesn't want to look like a bully and India doesn't want to get fucked up.
Fuck you. This is my life.
Yeah, back in 62.
Yeah it was really minor though (a border dispute along the himalayas) and ended with some Chinese regiments chasing down and slaughtering Indian forces that had surrendered.
The sour relations between the two got way worse since then.
Aren't sabots usually reserved for armor piercing anti-tank rounds?
Pakistan also does shit in the area including funding Islamic groups to attack shit.
Are you sure? The tip appears to be a metal rod that extends quite a way past the main body; a HEAT round would have explosives concentrated at the front.
Friendly fire doesn't mean shit if they're using the coaxial machine gun in this case, OP.
minor? That's kinda a lot.
>including funding Islamic groups to attack shit
Isn't that the only thing they ever do?
They used a tank round not machine gun.
You're talking about a country with over a billion people and a ballooning unemployment problem.
Not by Asian standards.
But they didn't.
They used the main gun and a round designed to pierce armor.
How can they shoot lolis then?
I just noticed that the head of the monster looks like a giant Kurukuru.
It's a Chinese cartoon, anon.
Total population over 3 billion for both those countries.
About half of those forces killed were Indians that had surrendered and promptly chased through the himalayas, captured and killed by the Chinese.
Now, that's major for different reasons, but the conflict itself was pretty small when you consider how little China and India agree on their border.
Why did they use tanks anyways? Why not send in marines agains a 9 year old girl? Fucking stupid Japs
No, a HEAT round has the explosives concentrated in the widest bits; The wider the circumprance, the better armor penetration. The rod at the front is to trigger the explosives the optimal distance away from the target.
shhh it's a game of pretend anon
It's not a hard rod at the end like it would be if it were a sabot round (you can see ridges near the tip). That's an impact detector that is like a push pin that sets off the explosives inside.
You niggers got me watching this documentary.
More people die from smoking
Shut the fuck up? you saying this show is just a hallucination or some little girl's imagination in her Chuuni stage?
Its also a drop in the bucket compared to the post-Khmer "invasion" between China and Vietnam.
No, it's my chuuni stage.
Why didn't they just use the Touman?
Depends on what African country were talking about here.
I read that as impregnation
I think this improved your post.
Why are the tanks so HUGE?
>Are you sure? The tip appears to be a metal rod that extends quite a way past the main body; a HEAT round would have explosives concentrated at the front.
That's a heat round, the tip is to ensure the round explodes at the proper distance so the shaped charge can form to cut through the theoretical armor it's hitting. When it doesn't hit anything it just blows up in a somewhat directional explosion. Many tanks don't carry a dedicated anti personal HE round, so they use the HEAT round for everything they don't want to shoot with a sabot (which is everything that isn't a tank at less than 2000m).
>it's like the Japs are retarded when it comes to warfare.
An Arisaka's bolt I had the opportunity to target practice with snapped in my hand while ejecting the spent brass. They know how to into BUSHIDO STRONK WARRIOR SPIRIT, but have trouble following through with tactics and metallurgy.
Shit, Abe is antagonizing fucking CHINA right now over resource rich islands. You don't fuck with China.
Where the hell are the japanese kamikaze ram tanks?
Because conquest is no delusion.
>Why are the tanks so HUGE?
It scales to the main gun used, and the amount of armor they want to protect the tank from other main guns. Once you have the gun size you then can figure out how much armor you need to offer a reasonable chance to stop the round at prime tank fighting distances (800m-2500m). Knowing the amount of armor you want then you can figure out the size of the engine you want to move your tank swiftly. Once you have your engine size + gun size + armor mass you can put on the right sized tracks.
In the end a tank if by internal volume about 40% engine / fuel, 20% open space, 20% ammo, and 20% equipment. By external size it's about 80% hull and turret and 20% track.
China is in a pretty bad position actually. They've gone and made too many enemies too quickly. India and Japan are already becoming too friendly for them to like, Japan probably knows this and is pushing China when they know China is inclined to do them a favor as to assure Japan stays a little distant from India.
Hahaha. That's Japan's indigenously produced Type 10 tank with a hydropneumatic suspension. So it together with the gun depression will have all the guns directly pointing at the ground in the middle. You can see from the tanks in the image that the hull of the tank is lowered at the front.
Unless the shells ricochet off the ground, which is unlikely since they wouldn't be using APFSDS rounds against people, so HE. There is literally no chance of friendly fire.
Abe is antagonizing China because all of his biggest donors are neocons and nationalists that want to return Japan to imperial status. The only thing that is truly standing in his way is the nation's economy. If his one shot gamble to boost the economy out of the recession doesn't work, he's cooked and the nationalist ambitions are delayed.
China has no hope of 'conquering' its regional foes, but China is also completely dedicated to a defensive posture. All they have to do in a conflict against Japan is to occupy the islands, fuck up the Japanese fleet enough to get them to fuck off, and hopefully fuck up a US aircraft carrier with shore-based launch systems. Simply thumbing their foes in the eyes would be considered a big win.
There were instances of kamikaze planes trying to ram Soviet tanks during the 1945 Soviet invasion of Manchuria.
I remember reading about a battle in which a group of Japanese planes strafed a Soviet tank column with machine guns and bombs, and when they ran out, some pilots tried to ram the tanks. The end result was 9 japanese craters in the ground and no Soviet tank losses.
A tank isn't a ship, also it moves pretty fast, so it's pretty hard to hit with a plane.
Also there are reported instances of Japanese soldiers attempting to run towards tanks with explosives strapped to their chests, only to be mowed down with machineguns.
Suicide tactics aren't very effective if the enemy can see you coming.
Sabot is for long ranged heavy armored targets
Heat which stands for high explosive anti tank is for medium range armored targets and is also the basic round that most tanks will have(at least US tanks)
MPAT- multi purpose anti tank. this is what you plebs keep thinking is a heat round this fucker is what explodes before it hits the target.
and last is the CAN round pretty much a fucking shotgun shell for a tank.
prolly the only mother fuker in this thread who actually was a M1A1 tank crewman
Genius. Stick a scramjet on the back of the fucker, point it at the enemy, pack enough explosives into the thing to turn the hull into a fragmentation grenade.. get on it Japan!
China's always been in a bad position or being invaded. They always manage to beat the odds. Hence, don't fuck with China. They fabricate our Xbone's and PS4's, afterall
>beating odds since the 1800s
They only exist in their current form because of constant Western intervention, both good and bad
Weren't the Japanese forces in Manchuria mainly trained to keep locals down and thus completely unprepared to face the rape train that was the Red Army?
What is this then?
China's never really been attempted to be invaded by anyone outside of the mongols who were very successful. Then by Japan who were very successful. A funny story about the mongols, they tried to invade Japan but all their sinks sunk in a huge storm.
Politically, China is fucked. They have Russia to the North who would jump down on them first chance they get, India to the south who have some grudges, Japan to the east whos government to this day have some insane nationalistic views and various nations in SEA that would love to get back at China.
There's too many strong nations around them for them to ever be a real super power like the US is.
Swedish tank destroyer masquerading as a MBT.
Swedes can't into turrets.
That's only recently though, since what? The late 1700, early 1800's. I'm not as well-read on Chinese history as I would prefer to be.
Pretty much. Take pic related for example. It was great for pacifying mobs armed with pitchforks and rocks, not so much against anything else. I remember reading somewhere American soldiers disabled them with Ma Deuce's.
why don't they just use the 50 cal? they have vision from all angles so there's no way he could run away
Judging by where Sweden's going and the kind of cleanup required for Sweden to stay Swedish, I think that turret is pointing exactly where its needed for the next future conflict.
Worst show of the season.
Worst fanbase of the season
>Worst fanbase of the season
But anon, it's not a Kyoani production.
Most of them, yes.
There were certain proper IJA units here and there, but since the IJA fucked up against the Soviets in 1939, they got their funding withdrawn so they weren't properly equipped to deal with the rape train. For example, Japanese tanks could be taken out with PTRS anti-tank rifles (something that wasn't even effective against the 1941 German tanks).
The Soviets had a hilariously easy time taking Manchiria, Sakhalin and the Kuril islands.
Although it helped that they had veteran units coming from fierce fighting against the Germans and they were equipped with the latest and greatest weapons that the motherland could provide. Also the Japanese had virtually no air support and what little there was, was quickly dismantled by the Soviet air force.
Yeah the Chinese made some absolutely retarded decisions after WW2, but none of the nations you named can afford to get into a proper conflict in any case.
Centurion + Strv 103 > Leopard 2
During the combat trials of Leopard 2 the old battalions of Centurion and strv 103 beat the leopard 2 in tank to tank battle
What, is a stick with a brightly colored flag with the words "BANG!" going to pop out of the turret? Jesus man. Give the Swedes some credit. They're not bloodthirsty savages. They let the arabs set up shariah towns.
I believe in that case its more for intimidation purposes.
They would also simply use the machine gun on the tank or leave the tank and use their rifles
I think it'll be more problematic to get the tanks in that position in the first place, than worry about what happens after you do it.
But that's japanjin. They can't into war other than medieval warlord+serfs vs serfs+warlord. And that's pushing it.
>They have Russia to the North who would jump down on them first chance they get
Russia can't afford to jump on anyone bigger than Georgia these days. Political unrest, idiotic leadership and poor economy aside, there's the simple fact that there aren't enough young men in Russia to sustain any prolonged war.
Also the Russian Army is in the middle of a very slow, very painful but very needed reform, which is hindered at every step by politicians and general trying to grab or keep power.
Aside from the decently equipped professional parts of the army, most of the army is in a terrible condition.
They didn't jump Georgia, they literally bussed people to Georgia and made them walk and find their own weapons and arms. That entire ordeal was fucking hilarious for both sides.
"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
and other science facts (la-la-la),
Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show,
I should really just relax..."
>They're not bloodthirsty savages. They let the arabs set up shariah towns.
Worse than savages. Little bitch niggas
>they literally bussed people to Georgia and made them walk and find their own weapons and arms
What? No. Where are you getting that information?
What little combat there was in Georgia was conducted by decently equipped Russian units, including veterans of the Chechen Wars. Abkhaz and Ossetian units were also involved in combat, but I have no information on how they were equipped.
>little bitch niggas
Hey now! That's RAY CISS. I would slap the shit out of you if I wasn't being raped by Jamele from Somalia.
There were a number of reports about how Russian infantry was shipped to their side of Georgia on civilian busses and whatever trucks the military could get out there. There were traffic jams full of these busses, and some units went to combat without full equipment. Radio communication was also generally poor.
I'm not saying the Georgians didn't get swept in embarrassing fashion because they did, but the way the Russians went into the conflict and conducted themselves shouldn't scare anyone outside of the former bloc region.
A HEAT round works by having an indented conical space in the front of the explosive lined with a ductile metal to direct the liner shrapnel into a single point at high speeds to penetrate the armour, it cannot do that if there is a metal rod smack in the middle of the particle stream zone.
I'm having trouble finding said reports.
Anyway, the only traffic jams I can think of were in the Roki Tunnel, through which Russia moved tanks and other equipment once the conflict began. Commandeering civilian buses and trucks isn't that outlandish anyway, but at not point during the conflict there were any Russian soldiers without equipment or support. I'm not saying the operations were flawless, but all things considered the Russian Army conducted itself fairly professionally and there were no major blunders. Certainly nothing like you're suggesting.
Of course, the conflict was relatively minor and short and the Russians didn't really extend far into Georgian territory, so that contributed to the success of the operations and lack of any critical blunders.
>They have Russia to the North who would jump down on them first chance they get
Why the fuck would we need China? We never cared about it and never will. Not to mention that they are generally our allies.
>Not to mention that they are generally our allies.
Not really. Relations have always been pretty sour since the Sino-Soviet conflict.
"Allies" is the wrong word to use. At this point, the US is more of an "ally" to China than Russia.
Okay, maybe not allies, but we usually have similar opinions on various political issues. See UN.
Last I checked Russia and China were both against what the US and European nations proposed on Syria.
>Sabot is for long ranged heavy armored targets
No it's not, a Sabot is good only to about 2,500m against another modern tank. It's for close to medium range.
>Heat which stands for high explosive anti tank is for medium range armored targets and is also the basic round that most tanks will have(at least US tanks)
The most common round carried when expecting tank action is sabot. HEAT rounds are for long range and light vehicles. The HEAT works independent of the projectile velocity so it's good for the long shots out to the max range of the laser range finder.
>MPAT- multi purpose anti tank. this is what you plebs keep thinking is a heat round this fucker is what explodes before it hits the target.
As many people have pointed out the fuse is in the nose of the round, meant to set it off at the proper distance to form a shaped charge like cutting wedge.
>prolly the only mother fuker in this thread who actually was a M1A1 tank crewman
Shame you never bothered to learn what rounds are for what or how they work.
/k/ what the fuck are you doing
We are against and blocking resolutions that somehow condemn the Syrian government, not just against everything. If you check again we actually proposed the disposal of chemical weapons and everyone agreed on that.
>During the combat trials of Leopard 2 the old battalions of Centurion and strv 103 beat the leopard 2 in tank to tank battle
I can think of a number of ways you can make a war game show that. But in a real fight the L2 has more armor, a better gun, and a wildly better FCS.
The Strv 103 is like all tank destroyers a cost savings effort.
For different major reasons. Putin wants the West to fuck off on what he calls his territory. China doesn't want the West to use Syria as a precedent for the US meddling in China's future shitstorms.
How about [FFF]? Is it better compared to horriblesubs?
>lolicon pandering anime
It would be more correct to say that Russia and China are against any resolutions that would increase US or EU presence in the region, or would cause Syria to become more US-friendly in the future.
And that is completely and utterly irrelevant. The point is that they don't agree with anything part of classical American geopolitics.
>For different major reasons
The major reasons are the same, actually. They want less US influence in that region.
It's the minor reasons that are different.
The point is that just because they agree to give the US the middle finger doesn't make them friends.
Okay, can anyone tell me why they would have a flat head instead of it being aerodynamically shaped with the added bonus of not having extra stuff blocking the penetrating lining? There must be a reason since the design exists but I can't think of any.
It doesn't need to be aerodynamic because the speed doesn't matter. The shaped charge melts through the fucking tank armor, that little shit at the tip destroys immediately.
Just because something isn't necessary doesn't mean it can't be done to make your job easier. HEAT rounds are already notorious for inadequate accuracy because spinning them dissipates the penetrating particles.
Tell me more about how you were a grown-up adult 70 years ago and participated in the war effort
I'm sure you know better than military engineers of all countries.
That's exactly why I was asking why it was done, but you countered by saying it wasn't necessary which answered absolutely nothing. Why wouldn't they make it aerodynamic? Does the shape increase the penetration? Is it because it's cheaper to produce this shape? Do they just not give a shit? I want to know.
Dumbfag getting told.
>not taking all those tanks and just running over all those puny infantrymen
It's like you don't like hearing that delightful SQUISH.
When you're driving a tank, you have so many blind spots that you wouldn't know if a whole squad of infantrymen were rubbing their butts on your vehicle. I've driven one and you can't imagine the pain in the ass when you have to reverse park without any mirrors.
I was talking about C&C, man.
and they're made with tamahagane and fire shells that have been folded over a thousand times
Everyone is American.
they also lost to the Chinese, Russians and British
>ignoring the fact each tank has a gunner
/a/ please stop being this stupid
A tank shell going off at that range is not to be sniffed at, and if more than one fired at once the force could easily affect the vehicles. You'd certainly have an unreasonable risk of seriously injuring some of the soldiers stood on the backs of those tanks with shrapnel from a single shell; if several vehicles fired you'd probably kill a few of them. This is just assuming that all the idiots poking their heads out the cupolas duck inside before firing.
If the round is HE, then those niggas gon get beheaded by debris anyway.
Though they'll probably stick to using the machine guns for these reasons, so you know.
>trying to look smart for random fags on the internet
Aren't they remedying that with cameras for the latest tanks these days? You're still trained to drive in letterbox vision mode in case they get smashed, but otherwise they massively boost situational awareness without introducing any new weak points to the armor.
I certainly know they're fitting cameras for stuff like trucks where visibility is an issue, so I can;t imagine they wouldn't do it for something like a tank.
How else are you gonna call a suspension that uses both hydraulic and pneumatic parts?
Everyone except Murrica.
Even they. They got the M2 Light and M2 Medium in 1939, M3 Light and the M3 Medium in 1941, M5 light and M4 medium in 1942, and M24 Light and M26 heavy in 1944. That averages jutst above one tank per year, as per >>101077253
>new tank models every year.
>Exactly 1,14285714285714 tanks/year
>forgetting the 1942 M22 Locust
That's 1,28571428571429 tanks/year, Anon
>An Arisaka's bolt I had the opportunity to target practice with snapped in my hand while ejecting the spent brass
Sounds like a late war model.
>They let the arabs set up shariah towns.
>relinquishing sovereignty in your own land
oh [excrement] [Democrat-voting minority] what are you doing
>the Russian Army is in the middle of a very slow, very painful but very needed reform
What sort of reform?
>No wonder they lost the war against us.
The war against… 4chan?
>he didn't serve in the great MOOT war
thanks for nothing commie
All those tanks were either obsolete from the get-go or quickly made obsolete by perpetual advancement, and the Murricans never bothered to keep up with everyone else. Heck, they could've had the M26 considerably earlier were it not for the window-licking retards in AGF. When they set foot on continental European soil they got their anuses prolapsed and had to make a mad dash to field more capable tanks. Too bad the M26 was never fielded in numbers great enough to have a noticeable impact. And the M24 was much the same sans interference in the development process from retarded brasshats. They still managed to screw that up too by dragging their feet in getting it to the front line where it would actually be useful and in the end it accomplished nothing.
>missing the obvious joke
They're starting to dust off their old Navy. Their cold war era submarines are literally rusting in ports and they're eager to start having more "force projection" again in the form of cruiser battlegroup patrols and such. This is why Syria is so important for Russia, it's their only port outside of the Former Soviet territories.
Are you sure you're talking about tanks and not helis?