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Tokyo Ravens Episode 16 Thread
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>That second ED
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bump
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>>101075593
Mami disappoints. I want Nanjo back.
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>>101075909
Kimi ga Emu Yuugure the best.
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>TR Baka-tsuki pages
Damn that awesome, compared to other LN pages.
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>>101076248
Nice to see Kurata bringing a smack to the plot once again, I can't wait!
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bump
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Only 3 more hours

>>101076248
Looking pretty boss there Amami.
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>>101076248
Looks pretty good.
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bump

1h30 left
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>>101076248
Damn I'm going to miss the livestream ;_; How much longer until the suffering train departs from the station?
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Anyone else think Souma Takiko is actually Hokuto?
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>>101085454
Only you.
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>>101085454
Hint. She does a way better job than Natsume at disguising herself.
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Is this shit even good? Worth watching this season?
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>>101085651
No it's not.
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>>101085651
The first episode were good, then episode 4 and onwards have a steady pace. From episode 13 and onwards, things are getting better, but you need to wait for the show to finish in order to pick up.
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>>101085570
Using a disguise personally cast by Genji that damages her soul, sure it's better.
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>>101085454
They have the same VA and Takiko seemed happy to see Natsume and Harutora.
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20 more minutes until it's time.
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>>101085868
Takiko is a Yakou fanatic. Of course she is happy seeing them.
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It's time.
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ded
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>>101087309
Any streams around?
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>>101087595
cc0721xy
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>no ED2 today
A-alright.
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>>101088639
There are so many contents removed that not even skipping ED is enough to cover them.
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Yakoutora when?
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>>101089234
When Natsumoe dies
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>>101088639
Pls the ED isn't even that good. It's one of Kawada Mami's worse songs.
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We got to see the Police beat up people. It was a very fun episode.
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>>101089425
Will she ever be relevant?
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>>101089572
Not in the anime which is cutting all of her parts out.
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>>101089733
Praise Lygophile our translator god.
I'm currently starting volume 3. When can I expect some delicious Kyouko parts?
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>>101090349
Volume 7 and 8 center more on Kyoko.
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>>101089572
At this rate I wonder if they are just going to cut out her mindbreak too.
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>>101090697
Oh really? I would've thought those volumes + 9 would be more about Harutoras awakening, Natsumes death and resurrection, Hishamaru etc.

>>101091419
Are you referring to when she realizes that Natsume is a girl?

Also, will Kyouko finally realize then that she made her promise with Bakatora?
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>>101091419
That's not going to happen. Big part of vol 8 and 9 is about that. The anime may not focus on it as much LN, but it's necessary for it to be resolved for vol 9.

>>101091951
Just like this volume those 2 novels are about a lot of things.
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>>101089522
I love police brutality in anime.
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>>101093077
Me too, I especially like the chilling atmosphere that the scene presented.
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>>101093077
Oh yes police brutality,this show can't be more good
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pretty good fights
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Takiko did nothing wrong.
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>>101094931
>Natsume no ecchi!
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Natsume should learn from Takiko on how to pretend to be a guy.
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>>101095022
Takiko isn't the one who casts the spell to become a guy. Kyoko's father, Genji, is the one who turns her into Hirata. Also this particular spell will destroy a portion of Takiko's spell.
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>>101095022
I mean soul. Takiko's soul.
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>this whole fucking episode
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>>101095875
Oh good.
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>>101076094
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Tokyo_Ravens

Holy shit it finally exists. I know what I'm reading next.
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Anime-Koi when?
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>>101095875
What's hard to understand? The Twin Horn mop operation that was stated that was going to happen last week, happened this week.

Our badass grandpa just found out more than he expected to. Hardly complicated.
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This was a good episode.
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>622 mb
Why is this allowed?
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>>101097620
Because funimation. Just wait for anime-koi or gg.
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>>101095022
Yeah because destroying a part of your soul is fun right?
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Good episode, so-so adaptation. Was nice to see hax+experience trumps overpowered+hax

Can't wait to see more of Takiko. I'll tell you guys now. Takiko > Suzuka > Natsume = Kon
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>The enemy explaining everything to the good guy was in fact caused by a spell done by the good guy.
Well done Mr. Author.
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>>101098511
So many great girls and they're all DFC.
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>>101098511
Natsumoe not being best.
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How much suffering we get today?
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>>101098986
None. But the big reveal is next episode.
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>>101098797
What's wrong with being 3rd best?
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>>101099085
I'm not ready.
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>>101099085
>tfw Harutora is about to half awaken and sling Emperor and Imperial style spells
Not sure If I'm ready for this.
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This episode....
>Keikaku doori
>Traitors, traitors everywhere
>Oh shit, DAT fight
>Plot twist
>Shit getting real
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Did someone,like Ohtomo or Douman suspect that Bakatora is Yakuo before the awaken?
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>>101099366
Someone got their Obari on.
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>>101098547
Favorite part of this episode.
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>>101099366
>traitors
>twist
That was obvious from the very beginning, though, and I don't even follow manga.
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>>101099459
No, no one suspected that an idiot(which was caused by crushing his dreams of becoming an omnyouji early in childhood) was Yakou.
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>>101099459
Ohtomo didn't but I expect at least Douman and the principal to at least suspect it. Those 2 met Yakou before so they had to have realize Harutora acted and looked similar to Yakou.
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>>101098547
Far more clever than expected.
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>>101099504
No the twist was Takiko being Hirata all along.
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>>101099504
Amami isn't the traitor. Hirata was obvious, but he isn't the only traitor nor is he the real traitor that's in charge. Plus, Hirata is technically on two sides, not one.
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>>101099570
>Looked similar to Yakou
There hasn't been a picture of Yakou yet in the LN's.
>Acted like
There has actually been some speculation that the reason that Harutora is still relatively the same personality wise after his awakening was because that was how Yakou was as well in life. There still hasn't been confirmation, though.
>>101099459
Personally, I felt that in volume you after the conversation between Douman and Kakugyouki that they both suspected Harutora was a more likely suspect. The main reason being that Kakugyouki mentioned that Hishamaru has her methods of confirming Yakou's reincarnation and he has his, I think this was alluding to the fact that Hishamaru was hanging around Harutora in a sealed state, aka Kon, and Kakugyouki realized it was her, I mean they look to fucking similar.
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Touji ever be relevant?
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>>101099699
>Hirata is technically on two sides

Double agent?
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>>101099733
I meant to say in volume 2, not you. Fuck.
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>>101099770
He had his own arc, that's more than enough.
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>>101099459
The guy with one arm?
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>>101099784
The REAL Twin Horn Syndicate and Genji (will betray even Genji later).

So I guess double agent who'll double cross the person who has been double crossing everyone.
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>>101095706
>>101095659
Will she ever be a chick again?
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>>101099366
Did someone call Obari?
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>>101099910
Everybody is double crossing everybody! YFW this was all pic related's Keikaku doori.
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That feeling when you know a good and cool guy like Amami will most likely die later by the hands of the mastermind behind Twin Horn Syndicate infiltrating the Onmyo Agency.
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>>101100708
Well if it makes you feel betterhe hasn't died yet and is with Touji as of novel 10.
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>>101100882
>With Touji
For what purpose? Actually what has the gang been doing since Harutora and Natsumoe were declared terrorist?
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Someone should make a list of who is on whose side.

>Good side
>Bad side
>Ambitious side
Under these category.
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>>101098986
We get to see Yakou fanatics suffer. None of the main cast though.
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>>101100963
According to a spoilerfag on another website, Touji is with Amami, Kyoko is with her grandmother who is no longer the headmaster and Suzuka is with Takiko. Natsume has been with the rest of the Tsuchimikado family. No one cares about Tenma. I presume since it has been a year and half since the last events of volume 9, they have all gotten stronger and more skilled.
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>>101101219
>No longer the headmaster
How'd that happen?
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>>101101219
>No one cares about Tenma.
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Who the fuck is Tenma? Is he that guy who looks gay in the Opening?
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>>101101579
Yes.
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>>101100972
>>Good side
Onmyo Academy, Amami part of the Onmyo Agency
>>Bad side
Twin Horn
>>Ambitious side
part of the Onmyo Agency

It's been like this since episode 4
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>>101101219
Tenma not with Kyouko? Unbelievable
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>>101101700
>Twin Horn
>bad
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>>101101700
>>Onmyo Academy, Amami part of the Onmyo Agency

Meant to add a comma after 'Amami".
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>>101101910
Terrorists are generally bad bro, regardless who they worship.
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>>101102048
Are you impliying that Al-Qaeda are the bad guys?
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>>101102157
When they deliberately get regular people caught up in their agenda, resort kidnapping and other illegal actives yes.
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The brown-bearded seemed to be a better person than the other Yakou believers. Even Hirata seemed to be regretful before he offed him.
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Wasn't expecting Harutora to have a civil conversation with Kagami.
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>>101101700
More like this.

>Good side
Onmyo Academy
Harutora, Natsume, Suzuka, Touji, Kyouko, Tenma
Jin
Most Divine Generals
Onmyo Agency
Tsuchimikado clan

>Bad side
Corrupted Twin Horn
Corrupted Onmyo Agency

>Ambitious side
D
Yakou
Mutobe, Shidou, Takiko (Twin Horn)
Genji
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>>101102942
That was one of the best part of the episode. I always knew that Kagami would be one of those hard jerkass make tsundere. it was cool to see him...giving Harutora motivation/guidance, like a proper senpai should, in his special way.
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So did the old guy just pull off unlimited fan works?
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Is me or this is getting better?
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>>101075909
>>101089425

No one here liked the ED?
I thought you guys liked Mami?

;_;
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>>101104738
/a/ hyped a lot the new ED and it was shit,Fucking /a/
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>>101104648
I really wish it could. Too bad sales are still pretty poor. Meaning s2 never/
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>>101104804
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but... it's by Mami Kawada
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>>101104804
I usually like her songs but this one was really meh.
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>>101104648
Well after finally getting into the plot yes it is getting better.
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Amami shure owned that kid
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Kawada Mami and Kurosaki Maon say bump
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Old men sure like to do all the work in this show.
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>>101105647
>like
It's their job.
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>>101105388
Can't be helped. Shikigami still is only a student. A skilled student with very powerful Shikigamis, but still a student compared to a master.
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>>101105860
>Takiko still is*
I meant.
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>>101100131
I would say so.
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Can anybody explain to me just how the fuck there are SO MANY Twin Horn Syndicate members in the fucking Onymo agency? Jesus Christ how bad are they at background checking their employees?
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>>101106161
Many of them joined probably when they were already in the agency.
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>>101106161
Read the thread, anon. There's a reason for that.
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>>101106161
There is very good reason for that, trust me.

You will see why in next 1-2 episodes.
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>>101106161
Who isn't a part of the THS nowadays
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>>101106161
I thought it was so funny and stupid at the time how those office workers were fighting back using magic.
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So /a/, what is your opinion of the new OP and ED? any good? If not, why?
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>>101106161
>>101107233
I'm not sure if I'm right or not but I'm assuming there's so many because everyone has a Yakou hard on and other people want to awaken him and use him for some purpose. The anime doesn't expand on it well but Yakou is a huge deal, he made Imperial onmyodo and General onmyodo. Everyone in the series are basically using spells that he made. They worship him. They want the Yakou d and they'll do anything to get it.
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>>101108582
ED2 is pure sex.
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>>101108572
Why are you so surprised?
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>>101108582
I'm still waiting on OP2 v2 with Bakatora slinging imperial and emporer style spells everywhere.

Also ravens.
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>>101108804
They looked like normal people in office clothes, all formal and shit and then you see them throwing molotovs and using magic.
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>>101108599
Not quite.

Genji (Kyouko's father), is the director of the Agency. He has been collaborating with Takiko/Hirata to have THS members infiltrate the Agency in order to empower the Agency, but also when the time is right, to wipe them all out.
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>>101108893
>Implying anyone can't learn how to use motolovs.
Well mentally disabled people won't but everyone else can.
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>>101108934
So he's a double agent? Round up the syndicate then wipe them all out when he feels like it?
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>>101108997
He's working with them to gain more power but he's not really a member.
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>>101108997
He wants power, But he isn't really a Yakou Fanatic.
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>>101108997
Genji is more like the mastermind and he isn't allied with the THS. He's for the Agency, but he has his own ambitions that dictates his actions/decisions so he can be good or bad depending.

Amami, on the other hand, is more or less the ally of justice guy and would clash with Genji if he found out the truth behind Genji's schemes.

Takiko/Hirata is the double agent (collaborating with Genji) working against the current THS, but she has her own agenda that's related the true THS. Wiping out the corrupted THS is pretty beneficial to her and having Genji, who's strong as fuck, back her up helps her own agenda..
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So will Amami rape Takiko?
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>>101110135
I want doujins of this.
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So what exactly was the point of Takiko disguising herself as Hirata?
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>>101110466
>High school girl
>Disguise
>Working for the Agency
>Double life
What do you think, anon?
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What happens when Yakou(Harutora) awakens?He uses all those fanatics like pawns or he will exterminate them?
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>>101110906
I think LNfags said that he doesn't like them. They've strayed from their path and whatnot.
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>>101110906
Most likely the latter, then again we don't know what he's done with them yet last I heard he was a wanted terrorist being chased by the agency and the THS
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I want to have conceptual sex with Suzuka in the mercenary position.
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>>101110906
All of the crazy THS members have been arrested or disposed of. Even if he wanted to use them he couldn't. All that's left is the Souma Clan and other 'true' THS members.
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>>101111889
Conceptual huh?
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Animekoi is out now
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The fight was great. Loved how she was spilling the beans without thinking about it.
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>>101112369
Downloading and rewatching.
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>>101112533
I love it too. I was expecting it to be like every other Shounen when the Villain for some reason tells the Hero everything
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>>101112533
At first it was her mistake to do that, but it became apparent that it was due to Amami's spell that made her inclined to talk when he asks her questions. She was going to snap out of it but it was too late.
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So, did Suzu actually re-enroll in school for the shits and giggles, or does she just pretend to be a student?
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>>101113299
Onmyouji agency forced her to enroll to 'correct' her.
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>>101113299
Probably under D's orders to search and scout for the Raven Coat.
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>>101113433
I think he meant the loli loving loli senpai.
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>>101075447
I really wasn't expecting to like Tokyo Ravens at first, it seemed far too generic and boring, glad to see I was wrong
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>>101113488
Oh her she's not enrolled at all. Notice how she only appears to the students and not the teachers.
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>>101113299
No she didn't re-enroll and she most likely used some powerful concealling spells to sneak in. When she first met bakatora, her 36 trio buddies were just around the corner and they didn't even notice she was in the building.
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OP2 is slowly growing on me.
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>>101113889
They changed the OP or is the same?.
Talking about those recycled images
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>>101113611
Then Suzuka?

Suzuka was surrounded by adults for most of her life. Her onii-chan was the exception. She was raised coldly and was subjected to all kinds of experiments by her father as she was growing up. That's why she's a prodigy, but also a reason for her twisted and kinda messed up personality. Also, why she's kinda sheltered. Good to note, she's traumatized her father was around.

After "that" incident, the OA consider her for re-education in a more proper environment suitable of her age. Making good friends will only be better for her.
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>>101113807
>When she first met bakatora, her 36 trio buddies were just around the corner and they didn't even notice she was in the building.
Wait. Which episode was this?
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>>101113889
They reused to much footage, it sucks. The song gets me hype as fuck though, as wait for next episode.
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>>101114082
Episode 10. The other two members are Otomo and Kogure.
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>>101113807
What is Ashiya Douman's goal anyway? From all the spoilers it looks like he hasn't really been doing anything. Does he just enjoy stirring shit up?
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>>101114468
The song has apparently been released.
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>>101114534
D only cares about magic. He's not interested in anything else. Finding opponents on Jin or Yakou's level are pleasures he seeks.
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>>101114536
Yeah? I spent a tiny bit of time looking for it but couldn't find it. I guess I'll put in a bit of time today.
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>>101114534
His goals all have to do with magic. He loves it whether it be magic duels or learning new spells, he loves it. But yes he does enjoy teasing youngsters and guiding them.
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>>101114641
Is he aware that Harutora has awoken as Yakou? He hasn't tried to seek a fight or anything from him? Better yet, he mentioned Yakou during his fight with Jin. It seems that he had fought with Yakou at one point, who was the victor?
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>>101114082
Same episode when you met vibrator loli.
Bakatora was looking for suzuka and met loli senpai in the corridor. Suzu ran off just before Suzuka and sensei showed up
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>>101114663
It's on nyaa if you don't mind torrenting it.
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>>101114771
Thanks.
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>>101114663
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=516266
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>>101114727
Iirc, Jin knows about Bakatora awakening, so then D should know since Jin is now his master.

>who was the victor?
They did met before did had a duel or some sort. Can't recall what happened though.
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>>101109552
Now that Takiko/Hirata has been outed, she won't need that disguise anymore right? Is the damage done to her soul permanent? And is it a one time thing that needs to be extracted for her disguise to work or is it extracted per usage?

Like, constantly using the disguise is destroying her soul?


Also, does Yakou's power compare to the other players that be? And is he quick on the uptake and developing new techniques, or is he still kind of a thick Harutora with new memories?
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>>101115161
>Since Jin is now his master
What? His master? Also, what did Jin have to say about Bakatora awakening as Yakou?
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>>101114534
Suzu is the first to research on yakou as a charactor and wrote a thesis on how raven coat will identify who is Yakou. She ask D to get raven coat for her and D agree to help out cus he like to stir things up. Takiko also helped out with the plan (sneak spells in Tenma's pocket) cus she really wants to find Yakou as well.
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>>101115161
What was Jin's response to the awakening? Since it seems the Tsuchimikado head did a fairly good job of misdirecting everyone's attention to Natsume.

Also, what was his reasoning for gimping Harutora so badly anyway? For someone who can read the stars, shouldn't he have noticed how shit would have gotten out of hand at the rate things were progressing?
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>>101115386
Because Fate? Also some stars are cloudy and hard to read.
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>>101115473
Wait, it was his fate to be gimped by the head, so that's why the head did it?
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>>101115631
Who knows why the head did it. Maybe he didn't want the Tsuchimikado name to be dragged through the mud.
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>>101115763
But he did it by turning a supposed branch member into a retard, wouldn't another child prodigy like Natsume apparently is give the Tsuchimikado name more credit?
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>>101115231
D respects Jin and allowed him to be his master since he was the person to "defeat" him. D is simply just amused.

No clue on Jin's reaction about Yakou's awakening. Maybe someone else who remembers more spoilers can comment on that.

>>101115386
See above.
>Jin's response to the awakening?
>gimping
To protect him until the time was right. That's why the clan decided to put a branch family member like Natsume to pretend to be Yakou's reincarnation, to protect Bakatora from devotees and targets of other forces.

Iirc, for the day Bakatora awoken by accident due to Tahiko's unintentional and oblivious action, the stars were a mess and couldn't be read. Perhaps it was due to unavoidable fate.
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>>101115939
Since Natsume was the only one trying to get Harutora to go into mystical training school, presumably the head of the family was happy with Harutora being a lazy bum and not shaking up the world this incarnation.
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>>101115763
From what I understand, Harutora had incredible powers that would have no doubt probably proven that he was Yakou's reincarnation, so he had seals placed on him and switched places with Natsume. Natsumi is a genius, but Harutora was overpowered as fuck at birth. Better to have a maybe then a sure thing.
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>>101115763
or maybe Yakou himself left a will to his descendant. The family name are already in the mud ever since Yakou caused big chaos in Tokyo.
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>>101116039
>Jin's response to the awakening?
See above.
Meant.
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>>101116039
Ah, that makes sense, and figures into what branch family members are typically used for.
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>>101115171
>And is he quick on the uptake and developing new techniques, or is he still kind of a thick Harutora with new memories?

Harutora/Yakou is an Onmyo genius, to the point he can just make techniques on the spot. The problem is that the seal stopped him from attempting to do much. He's still Harutora, just without the limits that were placed on him and and with a whole life of experience as Yakou. That means he isn't some guy with Yakou's memories, he's Yakou himself./spoiler]
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>>101116039
>Takiko*
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>>101116189
Awesome,

Hence why that divine general dude this episode told him that he had a great eye for things, but his terminology was terrible.
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Isn't it weird for two characters to have nearly the same name? Suzu and Suzuka.
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>>101116654
Not really. See it all time in real life. Plus their names are different in kanji.
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She did nothing wrong.
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Why are all the old men in this anime so competent and strong?
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>>101116953
Well the doujins have to make sense somehow don't they?
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>>101116914

Takiko is living her life correctly.
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>>101116953
I loved how he seems perfectly bewildered and broken at the end of the fight, asking innocuous questions about the Twin Horn.

And then that scene where Takiko is surprised by what she's saying puts a sinister edge to the next question he asks, despite it being queried in the same manner as his previous ones.
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>>101116914

Tsujimikado clan and Kurahashi clan can go screw themselves. My support is for the Soma clan because: Takiko > Natsume > Kyouko
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>>101117160
Actually, this,

What is the Twin Horn supposed to be trying to accomplish with regards to Yakou's "Other Desire"? If his first was to have Onmyou mages raised?
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>>101116189
>he's Yakou himself
Will Natsumoe still be the main love interest?
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>>101117265
She's the main character now.
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>>101117265
I'm actually a little ambivalent about this,

Yakou didn't have kids right? Hashimaru's love was never requited? She's a spirit now though, so I'm not sure if she can be a love interest the same way Natsume can?
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>>101117265
Heavily implied he has feelings for her, so yeah. He's on the run from both THS and OA and right now is on a quest to find a legendary fruit to fully rez Natsume, who he has been avoiding until he can do just that.
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>>101117421
>Hashimaru's love was never requited?

Yakou knew of her devotion towards him, but not about her love. Even if he were to realize now, it'd be too late as it seems he's pretty much set on Natsume.
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>>101117450
What the? Sources on the fruit thing? Afaik no one, not even the readers, know of Yakoutora's intentions.
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>>101117574
And she never told him?

And at this point for all intents and purposes she's dead right? So it's not like anything fruitful could come of that relationship anyway.
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>>101117597
Google Tokyo Ravens Tokijiku.

It's said he is looking for the Tokijiku. The implications of that plus his avoidance of Natsume paints his intentions pretty clearly. Course, his is essentially speculation, but it's pretty blatant.
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>>101117786
Thanks. Will Google.
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I recon Harutora indeed was born with pretty strong powers but that is still not up to 12 generals level nor Yakou at his prime.

After Natsumoe died, Genji and Takiko tried to persuade Harutora to join them by reviving Natsume for him. A few people alreaady stated to him that he doesn't have enough power to make the ritual to work. Therefore he used Yakou's knowledge and only partially revive Natsume.
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>>101117450
Didn't know of the part about Tokijiku, interesting little detail.
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>>101118072
I thought this was in part because
He was still partially sealed, the entire unsealing affair was kind of adlibbed, and only came about in part because of extreme trauma for Harutora.
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>>101116914
Her action did cause Bakatora to man up.
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>>101118072
What do people mean by partially revived anyway? What're the problems associated to it?
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>>101118713
She's sort of like a zombie. She can't stay anchored to the world on her own.
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That Keikaku Doori. I didn't know the Board Director can be this competent . Also will Shaver try to attack them later? I want to see what he can do.
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>>101118713
She's like a human shikigami, she's a corpse that's being kept alive by Harutora's magic unless he can find a more permanent and real solution.
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>>101118876
And I presume needs a strong enough reason to stay anchored, no? Hence Yakoutora avoiding to keep her 'motivated'? If that is, it's more cunning than thoughtful but it does work.
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>>101118713
Bakatora couldn't do the ritual he wanted, so the only left was to partially resurrection by to fusing Natsume to Hokuto in order to have her soul anchored to the world through Hokuto's spiritual power.

Natsume no longer can summon Hokuto and her existence is pretty flicked, in that she can be die if she's not careful. In one way, overusing her powers will lead to death.
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>>101119006
Well that's what readers speculate anyway.
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>>101119006

I don't think we know enough to tell one way or the other. For all we know, Harutora could be avoiding Natsume because seeing the deceased prior to their resurrection tends to not end well in mythology. There is the example of Orpheus and Eurydice, but more importantly, there is the example of Izanagi and Izanami.
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>>101119221
Is the ritual a one time thing? Can he still not do that ritual?
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>>101119539
Is Izanagi and Izanami a direct parallel of Orpheus and Eurydice?
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I think the reason is quite simple, bakatora doesn't want to get Natsumoe involved when she is still one foot in the grave.
Especially not when you are on the run and terrorizing everywhere.
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>>101119613
Yeah sort of. Some details differ though.
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>>101119777
Who is with Harutora at this point anyway?

Hishamaru? That one-armed dude? Do Harutora and the one-armed dude get along nicely?

Hishamaru is the only really competing love interest with Natsume right? Given Yakou's past with her? Are there any signs that might go anywhere if it could?
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>>101117701
>And at this point for all intents and purposes she's dead right? So it's not like anything fruitful could come of that relationship anyway.
With magic, anything is possible.
Also Kuzunoha is canonically Abe no Seimei's mother in Tokyo Ravens so it's not like there's no historical precedent for this kind of stuff.
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>>101119613

Close.

Hades and Persephone permitted Orpheus to bring his bride out of the Underworld on the condition that he didn't look back while leaving. He failed to meet that condition, resulting in her being lost to him a second time.

In contrast, Izanami burned to death giving birth to Kagatsuchi, the god of fire. Izanagi descended to the Underworld to meet Izanami, who told him that she could not return because she had eaten the food of the Underworld. The couple argued until Izanami fell asleep in exhaustion, but not before having Izanagi promise not to look upon her. Izanagi refused to listen, lit his comb on fire, and saw Izanami's rotting form. He cried out in disgust and began to run, while Izanami cried out in shame and began to pursue him. Izanagi managed to escape and close the entrance to the Underworld so that Izanami could not follow. She vowed to kill one thousand humans each day for what Izanagi had done to her, while Izanagi retorted that he would create one thousand and five hundred humans in response.

Speaking of which, Susano-o was incredibly upset that Izanagi abandoned his mother in the Underworld, which caused him to act out.
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>>101117786
>Tokijiku

Isn't that the fruit of immortality though? I don't think Harutora wants to give her immortality in the undying and eternally young sense.
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>>101119564
He doesn't have enough power or the necessary things to pull it off.
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>>101119996
That just means Kuzunoha could have been a
'created'.
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>>101119996
> Kuzunoha is canonically Abe no Seimei's mother

Oh

The nine tailed fox? Is Hishamaru similar to her though? I still don't quite get if she's actually a copy of a past person now dead, or if she's some kind of transcended spiritual creature that can be treated as a Shikigami?

Didn't Harutora summon her with a piece of paper given to him by his dad?
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>>101119564
Apparently depending on the soul manipulation, you must make preparations beforehand. That's probably why Suzuka's resurrection of her brother failed so badly.
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Natsumoe breaks my heart,why she need to suffer?.
Fucking Basedtora
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>>101120051
That...

Sounds awful and not romantic at all.
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>>101120097
It sounds like it was an experiment Yakou was performing in the past, it can probably be adapted to suit his needs given what it is.
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>>101120227
Kuzunoha is a kitsune but not a nine-tails. You may be getting her confused with
Tamamo-no-Mae who was a nine tails.
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>>101120163
>'created'

The fuck is that? As far as I'm aware, 生成 doesn't translate to that.
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>>101120413
Right on, point being though is Hishamaru a kitsune, or is she the soul of a deceased person? Or perhaps a copy of a deceased person in life?

And if she isn't a copy of a deceased person, why was Harutora given a piece of paper by his father that effectively made her?
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>>101120311

Being Izanami is terrible. She's stuck in the Underworld, with no contact with most of her children. Not to mention that Izanagi murdered Kagutsuchi, meaning that nothing good came out of her death.

Being Izanagi isn't that much better. His initial reaction was awful, but knowing that his spouse has become his mortal enemy because of his mistake can't be good for his state of mind.

It's also interesting to note that Izanagi fades out of the narrative not much later than Izanami. He hands out responsibilities to Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano-o, but isn't there when the siblings started falling out.
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>>101120601

She was possessed in much the same manner as Touji. At some point, she seems to have transformed into a spirit, which doesn't seem that unusual considering some of the later occurrences.
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>>101120601
Hishamaru was a family member that was possessed by a fox spirit much like Touji.
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>>101120601
>And if she isn't a copy of a deceased person, why was Harutora given a piece of paper by his father that effectively made her?
She was contained in the piece of paper, it wasn't a copy of her.
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>>101120741
>>101120786
My point is though she died, right?

Or is it some natural cycle thing which Touji is going to go through himself, where he'll stop aging and can be treated like a spirit?

The one-armed dude is waltzing around as well, who summoned him?
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>>101120824
Do they ever elaborate how she got there?
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>>101120601
She's the soul of the human shinigami Hishamaru who was similar to Touji. Apparently she was like that since birth. You can mold servants into any shape you watched though they will retain certain traits no matter what.
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>>101121073
>She's the soul of the human shinigami Hishamaru who was similar to Touji. Apparently she was like that since birth. You can mold servants into any shape you watched though they will retain certain traits no matter what.
Wait if you can turn souls into physical shikigami why didn't Suzuka just do that with her brother?
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>>101121145
She didn't have his soul on hand, I guess, or she didn't think of it in time.

Was she even present when he died?
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>>101121073
So she did die than and isn't like a kitsune? So she can't reproduce like Abe's mother.
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>>101121145
She probably wanted true flesh and blood resurrection for one. Two she only knew one of the rituals or only had time to study one of the rituals where you give your own life as payment.
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>>101121234
>>101121145
>>101121073

What's different between her and the one-armed dude? He looks like he's moving around under his own power.
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>>101121384
Who knows? Shinto plays fast and loose with its rules about death and spirits and the such and authors player even looser when doing their own spins on it so we don't exactly know the rules about what you can and can't knock up.
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Not going to lie, this scene was really fucking cool.

I was getting annoyed at the exposition because of how convenient it was for the bad guy to explain everything, but once it was revealed Daizen was manipulating him with Magic I was blown away. Daizen is fucking badass.
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>>101121507

Hishamaru could've done the same, but she chose not to.
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>>101121507
Kakugyouki is an oni in human form. Onis are known to be immortal/have long life spans.

Hishamaru was a human possessed by a fox spirit. We don't know what happened to her after Yakou died except that she disappeared.
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>>101121603
How did she come into Harutora's possession?
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>>101121557
Best scene this episode.
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>>101121730
Harutora's father give her to him.
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>>101121507
my two cents is that she was once human possessed by kitsune and when she died, she became spirits a bit like Douman.

One arm dude is probably the final stage what Touji is going through, fully control and synchronize with the oni.
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>>101121730

Her sealed state is the price paid for being with the reincarnated Yakou. I can't recall if she made the bargain with the Tsuchimikado head or with Harutora's foster father.
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>>101121705
I'd like her to have a shot at the Harutora, but can't really see that happening if she's just some magical construct powered by Harutora to maintain her existence.
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>>101121730
foster father gave it to him. Real father sealed her as Kon.
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>>101121983
So she was moving around under her own power up until that point?
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>>101121917
Isn't the one arm dude a genuine oni and not just "human possessed by oni"?

It might be a symptom of being set in the modern day but while the onmyouji magic system is fairly fleshed out we have scarcely any information about how non-shikigami spirits and kami and youkai and whatnot operate, compared to series like Nurarihyon and Touhou.
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>>101122117
Yes.
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>>101122187
So was she a living human or a dead spirit who stuck around in the world at that point?
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So will Kon's wish come true?
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>>101111889
I want her to rape me.
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>>101122376

She wants to cut your dick off.
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Reminder that Suzuka is a slut.
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>>101122476
So is your mom, but everybody still like her.
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>>101122246
She's a spirit.
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>>101122476
NotThisTrollAgain.jpg
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>>101122641
Not_this_faggot_in_denial_again.jpg
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Could the series slow the fuck down and stop throwing so much plot all over the place already??? We need some SoL episodes, specially some with the evil loli (best girl ) getting doki doki and shit.

And fuck Natsume.
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>>101122768
>B-B-But kissu
>SLUT
>Only "kissed" to transfer a spell into his body so she can locate her target so she can resurrect her previous onii-chan

You do this every time. Haven't you gotten bored baiting yet?
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>>101122876
Sorry there is no time. We had plenty of filler for 24 episodes.
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>>101122936
>Only "kissed"
You're admitting her slutiness. Get over it.
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>>101122876
They've already cut out a lot of stuff to try to cover up to vol 9. And judging from your last sentence, you are gonna love the end of vol8 (currently 2/3 done with vol 7).
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>>101122126
nit really the system is pretty simple, it's just there some confusion going around here.

Kakugyouki, Douman and current Hishamaru are all spiritual beings. When a spirit being forms contract they become they become Servant Type Shikgami who share their power with their masters and vice versa.

You can't change the nature or shape of Servant Type directly because they are not Man made type Shikigami, however you can cast spells like seals which can affect them directly.

Hishamaru took a shape like Kon to begin with because an aftereffect of her sealing. There's nothing special in that of itself.
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>>101123044
Because the time and circumstances don't matter in context to feelings and intentions.

All you can do is repeat slut without actually giving a proper argument that truly defines slut. Of course, there's no point in telling you this since you're a troll and trolls don't need logic and reasons to support their post. Enjoy your trolling.
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>>101123044
Grow up , autistic kid. There's nothing slutty about kisses.
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>>101123432
This is what closet slutfags want to believe.
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I felt the soundtrack was used well in this episode.
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She sure is cute.
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Where the *FUCK* are my Anime-Koi subs?

Why do I even put up with this shit?
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>>101123700
Anime Koi is out. But what type of idiot isn't using gg for this?
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>>101123804
My shitty anime site only says some crappy PHOSTR subs are up.

Maybe I should stop being lazy and set up an RSS on nyaa or something.
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>>101123804
>gg

I like my anime translated edgy curse words and memes thrown in. They're only slightly less bad about it than commie.
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>>101123804
Rather, who the fuck seriously uses gg for this? gg is already a terrible group for the most part. Getting them for a show that would where localization would be retarded is the worst possible subs you can get.
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I wanted to talk about Tokyo Ravens and spoilers, not fansubber wars
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>>101124088
Then maybe you should, oh, I don't know..... fuck off? :)
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So Yase Doji in real life were palanquin bearers?
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>>101123700
But it's out.
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>>101124138
>:)
Clearly you are the one that can fuck off. I didn't even post shit about subs beyond what you linked.
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>>101124088
That talk ran dry so it moved onto a new topic. It's similar to how Monogatari threads go. Start off pretty well talking about the episode and such, then it becomes waifu wars and posting girl rankings, then it devolves into fansub wars.
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>>101124161

I wish that the anime would make more of an effort to integrate info-dumping into the narrative. Knowing that the shikigami are supposed to be Yase Doji is swell, but it doesn't explain why we should be impressed.
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>>101121557

I like how about Takiko/Hirata's realization the credits appeared.
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>>101123698
She looks especially cute for a background girl.
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>>101124458
>upon*, not about
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>>101124397
Yase Doji is supposed to be explained next episode.
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>Posts talking about subs get deleted
>Not the slut troll
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>>101124603
>Implying we won't get another Kon segment for the explanation.
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>>101124603

Good to know.
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>>101124640
Mods aren't delusional like you and won't delete posts you don't like because they say a truth that causes you anal pain, you know.
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>>101124799
I hope you were being facetious.
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>>101124799
Why are you still here, kid?
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>>101125583
I never leave, closet slutfag.
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>>101124640
Aside from that slut troll, TR threads are generally nice and pretty civil for the most part.
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So as I pray UNLIMITED FAN WORKS.
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How would Yukari fare in Ravens-verse?
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>>101126005
I thought Tohou characters are overpowered in most other universes? So probably well. Especially since Tokyo Ravens is set in a rather low power universe. Though the power of lies is quite useful.
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>>101126145
>Especially since Tokyo Ravens is set in a rather low power universe
Douman seems pretty OP.
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Please don't rape her.
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>>101126211
>tfw TK has nosales
>tfw no doujins of this scene
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>>101126211
I want doujins of her raping her beloved Yakou/Harutora.
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>>101126355
I want doujins of Yakoutora impregnating Hishamaru.
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>>101126195
Only in Tokyo.
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>>101126355
No Takiko only has pure intentions she would never do that!
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>>101126211
Who would dare rape mai Takiko? Only I'm allowed to rape her.
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>>101126398
I want doujins of Harutora tenderly loving Natsumoe as if she was a he.
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>>101126195
Well he should since many in the setting think he's a phase 5 who is holding himself back to remain Ashiya Douman.
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Is it possible to make circular shikigami pacts? Like, what if Touji became Harutora's shikigami and Natsume became Touji's shikigami?
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>>101094931
>>101094983
Oh my dick.
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>>101126473
I don't see why not. Why are you thinking of a one true threesome?
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>>101126453
I want doujins of Natsumoe pegging a Traptora.
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>>101126473
You forgot Natsume Harutora Kon?
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>>101126526
You wouldn't would you?
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>>101126542
There's still a clear hierarchy there, though.
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>>101125993
Watching fans fold and unfold while multiplying must be trippy as hell.
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>>101126602
I would, I would so fucking hard.
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You can tell him everything /a/. He's a man you can trust. He is not part of the NSA.
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>>101126145
Yukari is Mid-tier at most, there's a ton of arguably stronger reality-warper out there, though its actually depending on the author's bullshit, but let's not start it.
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>>101126698
Natsume please go.
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>>101126005
You know, now that I think about it, it's pretty surprising that Ran and Chen are the only shikigami characters in Touhou.

You'd figure there'd be more.
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>>101126145

Tohou power levels are so vague that power discussions inevitably descend into ineffectual flailing, which is fun but not particularly productive.
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>>101126602
Is that Harutora?
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>>101126824
Maybe.
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>>101126005
Kon and Chen in the same room would be too cute to broadcast.
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>>101126910
Kon is pretty much what you get if you crossed Ran and Youmu together.
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Who the hell is Shaver?
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>>101126883
Man I don't usually want to pound boypussy, but I know it when I see it.

>NTRing Natsume AND Suzuka in the process.
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>>101127001
You've been reading too much doujinshi.
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>>101127005
Blatant fujoshi pandering character #53378.
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I don't know why they insisted on changing the OP.
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>>101127005
Kagami's sword shikigami which is in the shape of a human.
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>>101127342
So he's a Swordian, the race of swords?
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>>101127399
Kinda of, it's a legendary blade that's appear various Japanese myths and folktales.
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>>101127720
Kusanagi?
Muramasa?
Masamune?
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>>101127819
>>101127720
I don't think this sword is that legendary. But it is the sword cause one-armed to be one-armed
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>>101108599
Imperial Onmyodo, is that the overpowered spells that only a few knows?
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>>101108934
So he is with the true THS? Trying to wipe out the scrubs?
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>>101110722
Why has she not aged a single year after her graduation earlier?
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>>101128509
Because Takiko haven't graduated yet and is same age as Harutora/Natsumoe. Too bad she dont have any friends.
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>>101127819
>>101128321

It's not as well known as those swords among english community because it has gone through different names.

It's original name is Higekiri

this is it's most famous story since it was used by this swordsman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watanabe_no_Tsuna

On the sword itself:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AB%AD%E5%88%87

>>101128412
Yeah, like that instant teletportation Kagami did in ep 8 when first appeared. The spell that Ohtomo utilized to kill Douman is also one.
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>>101128460
He's not with true THS. He's on his own side, that is, the Kurahashi clan. They have their own agenda, probably trying to gain more power.
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>>101128460
Because in a bid for power you don't ally yourself with a bunch of half-witted crazy scrubs but the real deal?
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>>101128460

Having seen them in action, would you work with them?
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>>101128903
Is the principal aware of this?
>>101128869
Do any characters know of any Emperor style spells?
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So why has no one questioned Natsume's diguise, let alone comment on how he's so fucking girly-looking yet?
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>>101128869
Ahhh, I see. Thanks good anon!
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So he rapes her right?
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>>101128917
Even the imperial pailbearer - the guys carrying the throne, is overpowered.
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>>101129063
>every thread
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>>101128737
But how did she write that thesis from several decades ago?
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>>101129180
That's Takiko, not Suzu.
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>>101129180
>>101129201
Fuck, I mean Suzu wrote the thesis, not Takiko.
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>>101129180

That's Suzu.

>>101129063

She's more androgynous in the source material. Her aura reads as male to people who can see stuff like that. Some of the staff members saw bare-chested shikigami pretending to be Natsume, which led to the rumors about Natsume and Harutora being a couple. Some people are really, really androgynous.
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>>101129247
Ahhh right. The loli loving sempai is the old as fuck one, because she is a shikigami, and Takiko is just the newer generation getting screwed over by her dad?
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>>101129298
>Takiko is just the newer generation getting screwed over by Kyouko's dad
FTFY
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>>101129279
Basically their HUD says the gender is Male. Are you going to trust your eyes or your HUD?
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>>101106161
the best way I can think of it is. Imagine Yakou is jesus. The ORIGINAL twin horn syndicate and the school are his disciples. The people you see getting arrested/beat up are basically "Hey this jesus guy has magic powers and is getting pretty popular we should join up." Or something like "life sucks, FUCK THE ROMANS, let's join up!" In terms of mentality, the majority of the twin horn syndicate are bandwagonners or dissenters.
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>>101129298
loli loving sempai is the same age as Jin, she's hardly old.
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>>101129247
Loving loli will give you immortalily, hence loli senpai doesn't age. No bull shit
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>>101129370
What exactly are Kogures and Jins opinion of Suzu? They seem reluctant to even mention her.
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>>101129354
So what is that man's last wish? What is THS trying to achieve? The real one, of course.
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>>101129354
>The people you see getting arrested/beat up are basically "Hey this jesus guy has magic powers and is getting pretty popular we should join up." Or something like "life sucks, FUCK THE ROMANS, let's join up!" In terms of mentality, the majority of the twin horn syndicate are bandwagonners or dissenters.
But onmyoji are hardly discriminated and looked down upon, they have super special fucking awesome powers. And Twin Horn Syndicate is supposedly a terrorist group. Why would mainstream onmyoji join up with them? People usually don't join extremist groups unless they're butthurt or crazy.
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>>101129326
Takiko has been screwing over Kyouko's dad since vol 6.
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>>101129410
People generally don't like associating with pedophiles.
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>>101129525
Christians were considered Terrorists back then. They didn't do anything but still get blamed.
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>>101129525
You're only looking at super special fucking awesome people, not normal onmyouji.
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>>101129563
Is that seriously the reason?
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So why is TAKIKO of all people one of the only remaining members of the true THS? What's so special about her?
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>>101129537
I am looking forward to all of this.
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>>101129618
Overpowered shikigami
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>>101129410
they think of her as a traitor, but for what reason is not really been told.

The department she once worked in was the nest of twin horns which lead to the first spirital disaster (the one that Touji got involved). Suzu was then on the run and Jin was after her, and ends up losing his leg cus she was with Douman.
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So the prep school represent Yakou's desire for more mages, what does the THS represent?

His desire to be worshipped or something? They haven't really indicated what the THS' goals are.
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>>101129345

Serious answer? Depends on a comparison of how reliable the HUD and sight have been in the past.

That said, even though Natsume isn't very androgynous in the anime, some of the illustrations in the light novel are.
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>>101129618
She is from the Souma family which was one of the families allied with Yakou back in the days. Another loli from the Souma family is introduced in vol 10 and will probably be playing an important role.
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>>101129754
Anyone worth their salt will trust their spirit sight more than their own eyes. Illusions, determining the opponent's strength, whether he's human or not, etc etc. There's so many of them.
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>>101129744
Because THS's goals haven't been revealed yet, other they doing something that Yakou supposedly wanted.
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>>101129754
When you are in an MMO, do you trust your sight to say is that a goblin or just read the enemy's name and class?
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>>101129744
Because THS's goals haven't been revealed yet, other they doing something that Yakou supposedly wanted.
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Why are their uniforms so fucking stylish? Goddamn.

Though come to think of it the Raven Coat looks pretty bitching too so I guess Yakou just had good fashion sense and designed the uniforms himself or something.
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>>101130094
Yakuo was Kubo all along
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>>101130094
>Dat popped collar
C'mon Touji, this isn't the 80's
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>>101130270
>implying he doesn't look baller as fuck
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>>101130270
Look at his orange and purple clothes.

Its totally the 80s
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>>101130383
>Implying that's not the work of the head scarf
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So will Natsume be more relevant except for using her "hax dragon no jutsu"?
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>>101130094
Those flared sleeves look like this though.
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>>101130466
You can thank anime for cutting out her scenes.
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>>101105949
How can dead people so easily come back as familiars?

Is the afterlife just not as big as deal as it seems?
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>>101130725
I don't think she ever died.

>>101130059
Not even in the LN? It seems like something that would have cropped up.
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>>101101219
What about Suzu-senpai since Douman becamce Jin's shikigami?
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Am I supposed to be able to follow what's going on?

Or am I just retarded because I'm lost at Episode 15.
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>>101130848
You're retarded.
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>>101130725
Became shikigami after death is reincarnation not resurrection and Takiko did't die.
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So what are the chances that Takiko was Hokuto?
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>>101130920
As high as I am actually your mom.
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>>101117421
If Abe is Yakou's ancestor, that means fox blood runs in his veins and he will marry a fox woman as well.

Kon confirmed for mother of Yakou's children
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>>101130969
I hope so,

I used to be a pure Natsume fag but- something about Hishamaru being an unrequited love who devoted herself to Yakou in his previous life makes me feel bad for her. Maybe we can get a harem ending?

Except the sad truth of it is, the author has made Natsume more or less Yakou's driving force. So I kind of doubt anything with Hishamaru, possibly now deceased, will ever get her affection returned.

Why she never told Yakou anything is also a little bewildering though.
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>>101131164
Hishamaru was hardcore loyalty, I don't see any love yet.
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>>101130779
Of course it will, it's one most important aspect of plot. It's just one of things in storytelling that's a matter of timing.
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>>101130915
But you get reincarnated as a magic spell on a piece of paper.

That sounds so silly.

And how can a reincarnation be a proper reincarnation when you still retain the looks and appearance of your former life?

I thought reincarnation means getting a new body, possibly new gender, and no memories of your past life?

This shikigami business feels more like summoning living ghosts than an actual reincarnation.

Also, anyone who becomes a shikigami after they die, mention what the afterlife is like?
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>>101131164
Polygamy didn't get outlawed in Japan until after Japan lost WW2 and America came in and started telling the Japs what they can and can not do.

Yakou was alive prior to WW2 and during WW2.

He wouldn't think it was strange for a man to have 2 wives because that was a common thing to see among upper class folk in his era.

Hell, this wasn't only limited to Japan.

I believe Hong Kong didn't outlaw polygamy until the 1970s.
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>>101131342
Nobody in this series has been reincarnated as paper. you can't reincarnate as an object.

The only people who come back from the dead as shikigami are Shidou and Mutobe and was as Ogres who made a contract with Takiko a became Servant-Type shikigami (i.e organic beings).
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>>101131342
Hishamaru never died.
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>>101131342
Nobody in this series has been reincarnated as paper. You can't reincarnate as an object.

The only people who come back from the dead as shikigami are Shidou and Mutobe and was as Ogres who made a contract with Takiko became Servant-Type shikigami (i.e organic beings like Hokuto or Kon).
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>>101131682
Do we know this and how?

So Servant-Type means that the shikigami is an actual living creature? So Harutora would be a Servant-Type?
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>>101132897
Hishamaru went to the Throne of Heroes when she died and was summoned as a Servant by Harutora when the 5th Holy Grail War began.
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>>101132991
But I'm confused,

How does Hishamaru get mana to sustain herself?
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>>101132991
She became a Servant from human without going to Throne of Heroes and having a need to be summoned.
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>>101133073
CG dragons.
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>>101133103
... You lost me.
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>>101132897
>actual living creature
No, they're materialized spiritual being.
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I just realized how heavily Nasu based the concept of Servants off of shikigami.
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>>101133296
So they are different from what Harutora is,

How does an incorporeal being convince the Tsuchimikado clan head to seal her up and give her to Haruto anyway?

And I'm still confused by the exchange where Haruto plans on calling Kon, only to realized Kon was summoned all along and only answered his verbal summon. Hence the whole scene where Kon was recognized by the prep school guardians.

How did he summon her from a piece of paper unconsciously?
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>>101123493
I bet you're the same guy who screams "RAPE" all over Mari in Samumenco
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>>101122945
What filler?
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>>101133499
>5 hour old post
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>>101133417
That incorporeal being is the legendary shikigami of the reincarnation that was his son?

>How did he summon her from a piece of paper unconsciously?
Magic.
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>>101133542
Most of the beginning of the series is filler, things like the shopping episode, the camp, ect.

They drop some information in the filler which is important, but otherwise it's still filler.

>>101133417
>Kon was summoned all along

I forgot about this, why was it that Kon had been summoned already when she had been sealed apparently? What did that charm Harutora's father gave him even do in retrospect to that?
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>>101133581
I meant more that incorporeal beings find it difficult to communicate.
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>>101133696
>difficult to communicate
What?
>materialized spiritual being
>materialized
They have mouth.
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>>101133741
Oh, so they're not incorporeal.
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>>101133417
Hishamaru made a deal with yasumHarutora's real father in order to stay by Harutora side. She had already come to the Tsuchimkikado household that after his birth here an excrept from the chapter in vol 9:

Harutora muttered. At that moment, the 5 seals of Tsuchimikado binding her started breaking following the covenant from the past.

---

From inside the house came the sound of a baby crying. When it finally stopped, a man appeared shortly after in the "room of balloonflower" that was facing the courtyard. Around age of 30, dressed in Japanese clothing and a metal frame glasses, his slender appearance gave an impression of intelligent and delicate. Like the wrinkles engraved over the years, anxiety and doubt had also taken root. He had the power to look into future, and the power to read those posibilities. For most people that power was a rarity, but for him it was a curse. Incomplete and unstable, yet its strong power to bind on people's heart only brought him more misery. However right now he could only depend on this power, he was powerless to face the enormously difficult future. Before he knew, he was standing in the "room of balloonflower" in silence, looking at the courtyard through the opened paper sliding door. The courtyard was dyed in color of the setting sun, constantly changing its tone. He was just staring at the transition, only then the doubt and anxiety on his face faded slightly.

Of course, the moment of peace only lasted for a short time. When he noticed, there was a person in the courtyard. On the other side of the porch, someone was kneeling down on one knee and bowed her head. He couldn't notice the person coming despite watching the courtyard.
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>>101133807
Invisibility. And it's done by dematerializing the physical form, a skill only possible by shikigami. However, the residence had several layer of barriers to keep spiritual beings from entering. To be able to pass through, it's because she once lived in this place. Expression of surprise quickly faded, followed by a bitter smile on his lips.

"You're early. ...No, were you waiting"

Waiting for her master -- towards the unfinished sentence, she remained silent. She didn't have to answer, it was a matter of course.

"Which one are you?"

"... I'm Hishamaru"

"I see"

Her voice was clear and earnest. For a legendary shikigami, it was a modest introduction. Nevertheless, the powerful spiritual power could be felt even when she was bowing her head.

"What is your wish?"

"To stay by master's side"

Within her very few words, there was an unyielding intention. Bowing like this was only because him being the present head of the Tsuchimikado. She could show her courtesy, but he's not her subject of compliance. Neither household nor lineage, her loyalty was dedicated to only one soul. He narrowed his eyes behind the lens, quietly watching the kneeling shikigami. The gradually setting sun dyed the shikigami in the color of flame.

Shikigami's star couldn't be read.

However -- he was powerless to face the enormously difficult future.

"... There is condition"

Finally she raised her head. Her fair complexion and beauty became apparent, the pair of elegant blue eyes were staring at him
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>>101133642
No stuff like the hotel episode or the tiger are filler. Their side stories that hjave nothing to do with the main plot.

Everything else does,

Harutora was given the spell paper as trigger for his spirit sight activate perceive Kon's presence. that's all there is to it.
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How come Nastume never uses that hax excorcism spell she used to send Suzuka's dead brother to the afterlife again in the story?

You know, the one spell where the sky opens and some kind of black hole starts sucking everything up and Natsume has to tell Tora to close his eyes or else his soul will get sucked away.

In the manga, this spell actually caused the Gates of Heaven to open. You saw Buddhas everywhere.

So my question to novelfags, is how come Natsume didn't use this spell against bigger threats than Suzuka's dead brother like that Nui monkey chimera or D?
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>>101133807
>>101133845
Thanks based /a/non, is there more? Suspense is killing me.

I think part of the confusion I had about spiritual beings was cleared up here as well, 'spiritual' is kind of used as a synonym for 'magical' I'm guessing.
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>>101133642
>No stuff like the hotel episode or the tiger are filler. Their side stories that hjave nothing to do with the main plot.
>Everything else does,
>Harutora was given the spell paper as trigger for his spirit sight to activate and allow him perceive Kon's presence. That's all there is to it.
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>>101134051
The fuck are you talking about? Natsume's spell was only protecting them from the black hole.
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>>101134008
Right, the hotel episode was what I meant by 'shopping episode.'

And thanks for clearing that up, so Kon was always present, and they tried to hide this behind giving Harutora a piece of paper to 'summon' Kon which actually just made him aware of her.
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>>101134054
There is but this most relevant part to the discussion.

>>101134100
No problem
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>>101134173
>There is but this most relevant part to the discussion.

R-right on, I take it the condition was her being sealed?
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I am really liking the recent episodes but I still think 10 11 or 12 is my favorite. Leaning towards 12.
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>>101134241
Yes, to further keep Harutora's identity a secret.
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Why does loli loving senpai~ love lolis so much?
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>>101134261
Episode 13 for me was the best as of yet. I think a lot has been foreshadowed during that episode. A fucking lot.
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>>101130094
>high collar
hot as fuck

>wide-ended sleeves
great now my clothes keep getting dipped in food/sauce/paint/etc

>useless tits gets white uniform
just because her grandma's the head? i mean best girl gets to have her unique outfit b/c she's a fucking general. natsumoe still wears a regular one
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>>101135019
>just because her grandma's the head?
You're so fucking retarded I don't know where to begin.
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>>101135019
She's supposed to be a guy Anon.

Also I think HanaKana was a really good choice, now I can't imagine anyone else voicing her. Natsumoe just is perfect with that voice.
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>>101126211
I forgot, who is she again?
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>>101135133
m-m-m-mystery girl
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>>101135133
Harutora's real mom.
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>>101135149
>>101135149
For fucking real?
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>>101135213
Yes.
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>>101133845
When Hishamaru was fully unsealed, what was her reaction to Yakou and his reaction to her in turn?
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>>101135019
>useless tits gets white uniform

Are you serious at this very moment? Take a look at the other students and please realise the difference in uniforms. You're fucking blind.
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>>101134903
Like what?
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Y'know, I don't think I'll like the end of Tokyo Ravens if Harutora doesn't turn out to be the actual reincarnation.
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>>101135213
He's messing with you.

It doesn't make any sense given what we know about the person, and given that I'm pretty sure Harutora's own mother would know who Yakou is.
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>>101135357
I have good news.
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>>101075447
How did Natsume feel after finding out that she's not the daughter of the clan head, and was repurposed by the clan head to be a body double for Harutora to protect him?

How did Harutora's surrogate parents feel about the whole affair?
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>>101135434
She died to save Harutora.
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>>101135357
>This entire thread

Seriously, I know spoilers are being used, but they're being used with such inconsistency that if you read through thread you'd have your answer.
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>>101135501
So she's alright with her entire life being a lie? Granted, she obviously is willing to give her life up if it means to save Harutora, but that's different from being fine about your parents lying to you.
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>>101135524
>Every thread since before it aired
The LNfags are really cool and helpful but I basically know everything that happens up to Vol. 10 because I can't resist reading spoilers.
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>>101135585
Studies have shown that spoilers increase the appreciation of their associated literature.

I love the LN fags for this series, and am waiting on the next chapter based translator Lygophile posts to BT so I can read it.
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>>101135565
Don't know. More than a year time skip afterwards, and she is on her husbando hunt, so you can guess she's probably fine as long as she has Harutora.
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>>101135656
>Waiting on the next chapter Lygophile translates

Same, he's spoiled me with his kickass translation times though, I hope he can keep it up.
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>>101135692
On a husbando hunt?
Has she moved on regarding Harutora?
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gg or Anime-Koi?
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>>101135865
There are still people not spoiled about Harutora dumped everyone and went terrorist? Who else do you think she's chasing around right now.
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I just barely noticed Tenma's reaction here.
2cute.
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>>101135321
Along the lines of what Yakou might intend to do at the end with the 'essence of magic is lies... a curse'. It sounds so bitter to read. If he and Natsume are to be completely honest with each other, in contrast to the lies they've given each other, since childhood.... well you mighr have an idea. Sappy speculah but episode 13 gave a foundation for that.
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>>101136095
What a fag.
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Bump limit soon.

After such a nice episode, I think we should go for another thread to hit bump limit.
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>>101136158
I don't know about the Yakou quote, maybe I forgot or they made it up, but the Natsume and Harutora stuffs are mostly anime originals.
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>>101135917
The latter, dude. Seriously.
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>>101136030
I'm still curious about how Hishamaru and Yakou's reunion was handled.

And if they've gotten any cute scenes together.
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>>101136246
>How... how should I call you?
>Whatever you like.

That's their reunion.
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>>101136306
>Being Hishamaru is suffering

That wasn't cute, that was dismissive and cold.
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>>101136306
>Both parties blushing
OTP

Also, I like the SFX they've been using for fluffy tail.
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Natsume a best

Suzaku a worst
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>>101136306
By the way pic unrelated, that's a scene in vol 10.
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>>101136231
Well it was in episode 1 and episode 13 showed it again. If the promise of Harutora to Natsume during childhood and the walk they had going to school that got interrupted by Suzu are anime originals, then there goes my speculah. TR still is a lie-ridden series though
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>>101136384
You are free to believe Natsume is best if you want, but you are objectively wrong in saying Delicious Drills is worst.
Faggot.
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>>101136404
Was that scene cute?

I'm wondering if Hishamaru gets any validation as Yakou's lifelong partner at all.
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>>101136384
>Worst
>Not Kyouko
No one likes Kyouko.

Suzaku > Natsume = Kon > *

Takiko > Suzaku > Natsume = Kon *

Takiko = Hishamaru > Suzaku > Natsume > *
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>>101136306
How do Yakou and the one-armed dude get along?
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>>101136494

this is objectively wrong
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>>101136494
I'm more

Hishamaru ~= Natsume > *
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>>101136384
>>101136494
Fuck off, there is no worst girl.
Some girls are better than others, but really none of them can be labeled "worst"
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>>101136494
I like Kyouko.
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After this thread I think we should call it a day.
A new thread will probably 404 soon.
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>>101136468
>Was that scene cute
Yes.

>>101136506
Like bros.

>>101136409
Promise is probably canon, interruption was original, if I don't remember wrong.
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>>101136690
Hm then this calls a request to novel friends to confirm the quote's existence
Thanks.
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Harutora NTRing Natsume with Suzuka doujins where/when?
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>>101136786

never suzuka wont be on screen for the rest of the show
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>>101136690
>Like bros.
>tfw when Touji gets NTR'd
;_;
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>>101136813
;_;
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>>101136783
Whelp just checked baka tsuki. It was there right at the very start.
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>>101136542
This, all girls are best but the ranking is just dependent on your taste.
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>>101136813
You better be lying.
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>>101136813
next you'll tell me kon wont be a loli pretty soon
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>>101136690
>Yes.

Whelp, I'll have something to look forward to when Lygophile gets to those chapters.
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>>101136786
>Harutora NTRing Natsume with Suzuka

That kissing scene was painful for me.
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>>101137550
Vol 10 isn't translated to Chinese though, which is what Lygo translates from. With his speed I think he'll catch up before the Chinese does it.
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>>101137588
Holy shit.
Just imagine.
What if Suzuka magic'd up a Hokuto shikigami and then made it kiss Hurrtora in front of Natsume for the shits and giggles?
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>>101137710
Natsume would probably start crying.

>You will never have a waifu so devoted to you she masters Shikigami control to the extent she experiences all tactile senses of the Shikigami
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>>101137590
Ah, what volume is the chinese up to currently? Nine I hope?
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>>101137588
your ordering is wrong
Suzuka NTRing Harutora from Natsume
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>>101137942
Yes, 9.
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>>101138063
Glad to hear it, it's funny because Lygophile looks like he's faster at translating than professionals.
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>>101137908
>Natsume would probably start crying.
Why is it so fun to bully Natsumoe?
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>>101138110
>professionals
Uh what? They're fan translation as well.
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>>101138145
Oh, I thought he was translating from professionally translated Japanese to Chinese volumes.
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>>101139074
The Taiwan release he used are up to vol 5 I think. After that he'll have to use fan translations.
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Good thread, everyone



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