Rewatching entire Evangelionbecause I first saw it 10 years ago as a teenchild and I didn't get shit
How the fuck did I miss this.
She's well packed for a 14 year old.
she's got rei beat there
but the walls of jericho collapsed when Joshua just fucking ignored them and marched around for a week before having all the jews yell at them.
What is asuka trying to say?
does she want shinji to orbit her pussy for a week and then yell at her before charging in to her and slaughtering all her children except for an old couple who housed his spies.
You mean everywhere, duh.
That's the whole point, as has been discussed extensively.
... and 9 months later you were born.
anon what are you doing
Nigger. Stop right there.
I watched it as a kid too and though it was fucking stupid that the robots had to be plugged in. Gundam SEED was so much better.
>impenetrable wall of jericho
YEAH YOU KNOW I GOTCHA YA YEAH ONE TWO BREAK THE WALLS DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN
>charging in to her and slaughtering all her children
impregnaton metaphor confirmed
Rei's defenitely bigger than Asuka. As a Reifag who likes smaller breasts, I've had to made my peace with that fact. so should you.
is this because she's German?
I know the Germans are in to some weird porn.
Outweirding my Japanese hentai comix even.
but this is crazy even for them
SOMEBODY STOP THE MATCH
I had the sketch art somewhere around here, but I can back up the other guy, Rei's a bit bigger than asuka in the chest department.
She's a tsundere. Every tsundere wants a strong man who can ravage her Jericho.
Please anon. Stop it. My sides.
Impregnation and posterior abortion, you mean.
It's a biblical story, not BDSM scat. Need to read up on your fetishes by nation bro.
not it, could've sworn there was a side by side in groundwork
There is, but I don't have it on hand right now.
No, she's talking about the REAL walls of Jericho.
They were on profile, I think.
Dammit, she made it so fucking obvious and he STILL didn't make a move.
Here you go. Glad I could help make more Asukafags cry
when did Gorden Ramsey start Wrestling
But anon, nobody's even crying
I just looked over most of groundwork of evangelion, didn't see any.
I could've sworn there was sketch/line art from the main series (since some people cry over it being Rebuild and not 'real').
Not quite. The one I"m remembering actually had an A-F listing of their cup sizes draw on a line to their chests too, unless i'm going crazy.
in the meanwhile.
She's a classic tsundere with flat chest and I love it, I'm not even mad.
You ever think maybe he's into dudes?
That wasn't obvious anything. Had him done a move shewould had screamed or something.She was teasing him because she could.
You ever think maybe he's into Ayanami?
You know, I always wondered, what did Asuka's date looked lke? You know, HIkari's friend or brother or something
Asuka is worse than Kirino, she is the worst tsundere ever.
it would be cool to see misato in there too
>implying he wasn't just ronery at the time
>no homo or anything but srsly why aren't we making out
I'm gonna start using that.
Welcome to the world of good taste OP, stay as long as you like.
>Dropping such low quality bait this early.
The "things I saidto myself before I came out" thread in /lgbt/ is full of peopletrying that excuse.
>Hey Asuka, we both have nothing to do, do you want to go outside and have a drink or something?
>Going outside with YOU!? I'd rather die!
>O-okay s-sorry for asking --
>Sure why not just this once
>(Spineless beta motherfucker has finally DONE SOMETHING THANK GOD)
>that aspect ratio
How the hell do you even do that? Start all over and watch it in 4:3 you faggot like it's meant to be.
>I was just lonely so I sucked some dick
But do the people in /lgbt/ pilot giant non-robots and have all their friends move away?
Anno wanted it to be 16:9 and OP is gonna make it so!
Also, bigger breasts.
But 3.33 is one of the wacky cinema ratios.
Nope. not in groundwork 1 or 2.
Well, the second part isn't that weird, some people travel a lot and some people get stucked in dead end towns.
As for giant robots... do tanks count? No, of course not. I'd have to ask them I guess... how giant would the robot need to be to satisfy your criteria?
Then maybe OP knows more about eva than I do.
HAven't you watched Anno's Love Exposure? He loves wacky ratios.
Could be just a fucked up player screenshot.
Wait, didn't the wall of Jericho fall?
is it normal to want to fill asuka's womb to the brim with my semen?
Love and Pop I meant.
Still, you should watch Love Exposure.
loli asuka has such a freaking huge head
Oh Sherlock, whatever shall we do without you.
It's an external screenshot since it's 1600x900 and pretty much no anime on the planet has that as a ratio. Especially not Evangelion's TV series.
An internal screenshot would not warp the aspect ratio like that.
This answers absolutely no questions, but it is official gainax art.
Everyone wanted a piece of his ass.
I was going to freak out about him being responsible for love exposure.
What the hell did they do to Kaji's face?
qui ubo wey
Their busts are about as consistent as the size of the evas themselves
Holy shit, Asuka suddenly makes sense now. So she wanted Shinji to make a move for pretty much the whole series. Plus her abandonment issue thing, no wonder she was so bitchy.
You just figured this out now?
see you in a year, anon
What the fuck, man?
I just want to make sure all the asuka and rei fags are aware of this
if shinji was a girl he would be everyones waifu
Did you not watch the director's cut or something? Ep 22 really spells it out
Not really, but he would be second best grill.
I'll add you to my see you after 4.0 is released list for that one.
We should come up with a Eva game called Offical/Shopped
For when you just don't fancy sci-fi books covers
If only this had been official
Wow, you just figured it out
Equal opportunity romancing.
Just give the kid a beer for Christ's sake. He'd be singing karaoke and dancing on tables in no time.
You know the one think I didn't like about Rebuild? We had to go through bitchy Asuka again. Except instead of a series worth of character development, we only got 2 hours of her in 2.22. And in her last scene in that one was her being a cunt.
i laughed harder than i should have
Some are sleepy drunks
They did too.
No, every Asian has the same drunk endgame and it's always a bad Engrish cover of Freebird and dancing on a table.
i seriously thought he was obsessed with Ayanami because she resembles a lot with his own mother
since she's her clon, duh
Hey, its the navy after all, and it's not gay if you're underway
Remember, give ReDeath a shot if you haven't seen it before:
LITERALLY 20 years late.
Thinking of Shinji being a genki happy drunk is hilarious
>My name is Joshua
Stand back everyone, I got this.
Hey guys I think EVA had religious symbolism.
Do go on.
Bullshit, prove it.
Something something with dat ass how could you not believe in intelligent design, etc.
>only Kaworu is looking at the dick
The worst part of Rebuild is that they butchered Asuka's character 10x more than everyone else's.
Do you think Shinji would've banged Asuka if he knew he was going to turn into tang in the end? Just like irl, but without the tang.
i have no idear what you are talking about, good sir.
I think Asuka got her fair share.
At least I can pretend that they are different people because of different last names.
Just look at this picture, notice anything strange?
There are clouds in it.
Clouds were in the bible.
How could you all have been so blind all these years?
I was just talking about the penis comment.
Sublime. Absolute genius.
They're different people because Rebuild and the original series are different canons, even though it is a continuation
You at least got that.
Here's the after party.
and the bonus.
Holy shit, aren't stars a religious symbol too?
I wouldn't be surprised if anno lifted that walk straight out of gunbuster, shit looks like noriko with boy clothes on
That's Sion Sono, dude. You should really watch most of his movies.
But don't watch Coldfish with a girl, it wil end badly.
old school animating is hard.
>people love NGE for its deepness and religious references
>these references are little more than randomly spouting names and putting crosses everywhere
>viewers would be too stupid to understand the references if they actually had any meaning
>because of this retarded fanbase, the NGE franchise has continued for years more than it should have, getting worse and worse
>you now realize NGE is the anime equivalent of Big Bang Theory
>tfw my name is Joshua
there were references to actual things, just things so removed from the current generation that it hurts a little to hear people grasping at straws.
I wish I had a CSI computer for this shit.
I saw that inamagazine so I'll just asume that the published medium holds more water than some internet image board.
But NGE is actually good.
Holy crap with is LAS fan art so crappy 95% of the time?
NGE's popularity is not built on the religious references. Well, maybe some of the western one, but not anymore.
Shit ship gets shit art. You gotta ship the good stuff like LAM.
no no no, it's that 95% of fanart is shitty, therefore when you roll a post for fanart it's most likely going to be shit.
I feel embarrassed just by looking at that pic.
LAM is like salt, its elements on their own are awful, but together is a pretty nice seasoning.
I heard that in japan they have to hose off the floors of the trains every day from all the drunk salaryman puke.
There's a whole series.
I feel slightly upset that I don't think it's a stretch.
It was a stretch, but the similarities are there. Probably the closest thing anime has to the BBT.
You could also argue that the first few seasons of BBT aren't shit, just as the origine NGE tv series is better than Rebuild.
Only idiots care aboutsymbolism and everyone always knew they added that as they went.The long time value comes from the plays on the standar genre characters and how they grow through the series. That's why the original freudian ending is superior to the bang bang look it's like some religion explosion boom ending.
I could laugh at the LAS on pixiv forever, it's fucking hilarious.
Yeah something like that.
EOE's apocalypse scene was not religious either, it was a symbolic portrayal of Shinji's manic depressive suicide attempt
>Probably the closest thing anime has to the BBT.
Those are actually kind of cute.
she looks like the black haired sailor wich name i completely forgot a.k.a the bitchy one
I'm pretty sure Sailor Mercury prepped me up for my weakness to short blue haired girls.
Remember the old line about abyss and staring into it. That's you right now.
Still inferior, but I'll buy it.
I don't get why people hate the original ending? I get that it was anticlimatic but it was not only superior to some generic mecha ending, it was also tehe only way Anno rolled at that time.
Funny enough that sailor scout's name is Rei.
this one is nice.
While we're posting sailor senshi, let's have some of the original.
Zoom and enhance.
to understand what's going on in that image? some people including me are really dense
We're in too deep.
What's the symbolism here?
Rei why are you even there?
Suddenly I really want to rewatch Sailor Moon S.
That scene is an exact replica from the movie It Happend One Night. When an unmarried couple would share a hotel room a privacy blanket was hung between the two beds. In the movie the sheet is called "the wall of jericho." At the end of "It Happened One Night" Clarke gable marries Claudette Colbert and Gable yells "The walls of Jericho are falling down!" Not verbatim but you get it
I loved the original ending too, and was only able to appreciate EOE's after a rewatch. And Anno stands by the original too, which I appreciate.
I think for the most part, people don't like the original ending because they generally cared more about the plot than the characters or themes or those weird boring subway scenes, and particularly didn't like Shinji. Now that's totally fine if they think that way, but I still loved them all.
Shinji is the best girl.
me too anon, i acnt see shit in that image
Yeah they really phoned it in on that one.
I haven't seen the film, so I can't really say anything, but that sounds like it's just using the same biblical allusion
Oh my god this is great
The greatest tragedy of EVA is that the people who bicker about "2deep4u" and "pointless symbolism" completely ignore the middle road; EVA isn't really that deep, but there's a diving board over there for a reason.
To this day cicadas and similar train sounds get me into an Eva state of mind. I know they're ubiquitous but still.
forever the third wheel rei.
>that heart shape
This sequences really hit close to home when you have dealt with mental problems through psychoanalisis, for me at least that was always the driving force in Eva.
I did like the flashy animation, it was pretty cool, and I also fapped to Misato. But if the show had any staying power is all the Lacaan leaking everywhere.
Can't win em all I guess.
Or any in Rei's case
Same fag. Basically that line is based on an old comedy. While the joke is based on the Old Testament it's not ment to be deep at all. It's just an homage to a 1934 comedy film
I wish boys really were that hairless
One that indeed illuminates something about them:
But EoE is better than the last two episodes. It's not about the boom bang explosion bullshit you're spouting. EoE had still done its job tying up the character arcs as well. Not to mention the only character that really had a breakthrough in the last two episodes was Shinji while EoE had focused on several more characters.
It doesn't necessarily need to be a "happy" ending to make it good.
Elevens trying too hard.
>While the joke is based on the Old Testament it's not ment to be deep at all.
It's a hint that Asuka actually wants the D and Shinji to be less passive. It's not "deep" (is there any piece of art you would honestly call "deep"?) but it's pretty essential when it comes to the relationship between the two.
2D can be anything you want.
Asuka wanted the dick, she got the dick.
Shinji is a fucking pussy, but well that's like the whole point.
It can't be real.
What are you talking about happy endings? While shinji accepts his desires he becomes part of the instrumentalization. He actually dies when he breaks his own world. It's a horrible ending with people clapping and being happy and good thoughtsfor the kids, that makesit even sadder.
>EoE had still done its job tying up the character arcs as well. Not to mention the only character that really had a breakthrough in the last two episodes was Shinji while EoE had focused on several more characters.
But that's objectively wrong, anon. The final two episodes focused on Shinji, Rei, Asuka, and Misato. In the end, they spend the most time on Shinji, but that's to be expected given that he's the impetus and MC of the series. He's also given far more time in EoE.
And EoE does a terrible job of character resolution. Asuka's mother issues are resolved by random divine revelation (and don't get me started on that Unit 02/Asuka's mother's soul BS), Shinji's issues are resolved by divine revelation from Unit 01/his mother, Rei's issues are resolved by the fact that she's really an aspect of Shinji along with Kaworu, and Misato's resolved merely by the fact that they kill her off.
EoE's terrible, and fails to resolve anything other than edgy religious symbolism that so many Evafags latch onto.
I'll nevre forgive Annus for not including that scene on rebuild
>magic orange drink substitute and giant robots are the only way to fix problems in Eva
Anno clearly made NGE as a middle finger to everyone in his life.
His superiours, his co workers, his fans, it was all to give them a screw you.
While he was successful in the usual way a depressed artist gives a subtle tone of disapproval:
Generally disgusting visuals (see how everything is biomechanical), giving asshole personalities to your characters, going along with uniformed higher ups rather than objecting (NGE was originally in a kids time slot).
What Anno unintentionally made was in fact something very good. By putting forth so much hate, cynicism, anger and overall malicious disposition to his work, he created something truly horrible to the point where it becomes good.
What I mean is despite putting forth so much effort to an elaborate "fuck you", he still put forth all that effort to his series. And with that much care to detail and work, he wound up making something more.
Not to say the 2deep4u faggots aren't wrong, but to say NGE is shit is also wrong.
Anno made some truly wretched characters, so well written in how horrible they are that they take on an entirely different character than he intended.
By attempting to twist the audiences own desires into subversions, he wound up becoming original.
Shinji's Tumbling Down and reawakening on the beach says a ton about his character and his development. And again, none of it is religious.
I just keep tumblin down
Talk about a reality check ;_;
But Rei, Asuka, and Misato's problems were barely resolved, and were moreso there to urge Shinji to accept himself near the end.
EoE triples that, albeit quite quickly. Asuka finally learned that her mother did love her and at least died with that knowledge with her mom on her side, resolving her problems. I don't see why the divine revelation is a bad thing if it helped in their development and solutions.
Yeah, Misato died, but what did episodes 25/26 do that EoE didn't that ultimately made it better? In both, Misato's still trying to encourage Shinji to make a stand.
Shinji's solution was fine as well. He knew Instrumentality wasn't the path humanity should have taken, and he has at least accepted that he needs others in his life. He even says that his loved ones were the ones he wished to protect anyway, which is why he returned to Earth. He also accepted the task to try to find where his happiness lies, even if he is still searching.
Rei proved she was no longer Gendo's "doll" and defied Gendo to grant Shinji's wish.
>>101069931 meant to reply to >>101069377
You are overreacting a lot there,man. Anno vomited his own psychoanalisis for his depression on the script. Just that, but being in what should be a kids show it ends up being pretty tough.
A lot of shit shinji deals with felt a lot closer after I moved out of my parent's house and had to deal with new people in a new place. A lot of Misato's shit felt diferent after my dad died and I realized I had never dealt with any of the shit, both good or bad, around our relation ship.
Eva is sort of basic if you compare it with high brow stuff, but the emotional process that Anno dropped in it make it an interesting and complex anime.
At least for me, that is.
I'm not entirely sure whether we can say that the TV ending signifies Shinji accepting instrumentality. They made a huge deal earlier about how necessary other people are and how you might not even exists without others. So if at the end everybody is really gone for good and nobody is an individual anymore, it would go against everything that had been said before.
NGE may be cynical as hell but I always found the overall message really positive. Life may suck but is still very much worth living and having all these people around.
>I don't see why the divine revelation is a bad thing if it helped in their development and solutions.
Because it's lazy writing to just have "stuff happens" without any further need to explain why or how.
To be fair, I don't feel like any of the characters' problems are fully resolved in either ending, and I think an ending that did would be some combination of impossible and unwanted. I feel that the original ending tackles them in a better way than EoE, which both feels like it twists the bad NGE plot to try and resolve the characterization, and tries to tie up all the loose ends by having the characters die.
As an NGE AOAT fan, I HATE the plot of NGE. In fact, I hate mecha anime in general. NGE has two things going for it: arguably some of the best characters of all time, and an extremely interesting setting. I felt like the original ending did far more for those two aspects than EoE, which tried shoring the plot first and foremost.
Dude, shinji accepts instrumentality and becomes part of it. Loosing yourself is the "congratulatios" end.
Divine explanation is bad because it stops the character growth. It's true that 25/26 spoon feed a lotof crap, but that's how it is when you discuss your feelings with a wall that bounces back your own thoughts, the very basis of the freudian analysis. And at the end the characters are working their issues instead of finding something the makes everything right just because it's there. It's a bitch to take away your own growth.
Actually, both endings look a lot happier than they really are. Azuka and shinji never dealtwith any of their shit in EoE, they were forced into something that won't be sustained.
If only they had left Yui to do her thing and rule the universe...
(I'm the first of those two anons)
But he is in an open world shared by all the other parts of the people close to him. Before the movies that was the full reason of instrumentality, making humanity one through forced evolution.
But it was explained why or how it could happen already in the TV series, like the connection the Eva/the mother would have with the pilot.
Sounds more like you weren't paying attention.
If the plot explains that power oflove is a thing, would it be less of a shitty cliche to use to end your story?
It was explained how the revelation could happen, but it doesn't change that fact that it suddenly "just happened" at a really convenient point and ceased any real development aside from "Oh I see the light now". It takes what would normally be a long and arduous deliberation and forces it all to occur in a split second with no actual narrative aside from hindsight.
Why do people still think Eva had religious symbolism. It wasn't symbolism it was imagery. The difference is that imagery is just an image with many different functions and symbolism is an object that represents an abstract idea. The imagery wasn't symbolic but that doesn't mean it wasn't good. It added a sense of mystery, fear, and emotional weight to the story while also tying into ideas and a basic human psyche present in all of us while giving it a more concrete shape by referencing actual religious things. It wasn't a theological statement but more of a stylistic choice. And it's also fucking cool.
I was going to say you seemed to miss my point.
I can't say it without sounding like a pretentious faggot, but the reason I think that way of NGE is because I've been there.
Specifically making what I thought would be something wretched or foul as art or an assignment, only for people to eagerly ask for more.
Ultimately I never knew/know who's at fault in the situation. The recipient for thinking it's something "deep" or has a lot of meaning to it.
Or the artist who is so stuck in their cynicism they think the genuinely good work they've built is just shit and the person is an idiot for liking this thing you shat out.
It's a BIT positive.
Like life when you're depressed.
As stated above when I say I speak from experience.
Anno may have it better off than I do, I've had to deal with soul crushing emptiness of depression for as long as I can remember now.
I'm not talking "Oh everything sucks it's so sad" I'm talking
>Hey Anon, how's it going
And wanting to just reply
and nothing more, but actually replying
Like, you go beyond feeling bad, or happy, or anything really, and just accept this cold emptiness inside of you that sucks away any desire to do anything you love.
I mean, shit I love working on my art and writing.
Know when the last time I finished a sketch of all things was?
Over a year ago.
This coming from someone who used to be able to crank out at least 3 a day.
NGE isn't like GL where Simon has a cause, a true purpose of protecting those he loves, and a rad way to do it.
NGE is about accepting the bitter loneliness of life and laying down like the little bitch you are.
It's supposed to be this disgusting thing you look at with ridicule, not praise.
Because m-m-m-muh personal interpretation!
This isn't your fucking blog, dude.
It's like I'm in 2003 all over again
This guy has it right.
I don't care.
Report me if you think I broke some rule or shit for my rambling.
And consider that religious imagery is meant to do just that, create a feeling around the ceremony. It doesn't matter exactly what it means, but how the believers react around it.
What can even be pinpointed as NGE's plot?
Just mechas fighting monsters like other mecha anime? Albeit there are several more interesting themes and character studies included, but yeah.
>It's a bitch to take away your own growth.
I see your point. Shinji's development may have been reversed in EoE, but he seems to have gotten better near the end. Nerv getting invaded, Misato getting shot, and seeing a giant naked Rei sounds like some scary shit to deal with so I can at least tolerate his fear.
Even if Shinji is the main character, it doesn't excuse the lack of resolve the others had gotten in the last two episodes.
I already explained how Asuka and Shinji dealt with their problems in my other post. Not that their resolutions are entirely complete, though. I said Asuka had gotten herself together more than Shinji, but that may just be due to her lack of screen time compared to him.
I don't need to report you, just take it to tumblr.
Finally someone gets it.
Anno said "I did it because it looks cool" a long time ago.
Anno has said that he was so depressed during the show run that he just didn't want to finish it. Numerous time peoplehad to drag him from his house.He refused to eat while working on it.
And it wasn't the first anime he was too depressed to keep working on. 25/26 are basically his psych sesions translated to the caracter arcs, at least acording to him.
I don't care about tumblr.
I don't care about blogging.
People were talking about their Waifu's and how deep EVA is.
I said it's a depressed artists work.
People doubted me.
I provided context.
If my wall of text bothers you then report me or something for shitposting.
None of this even resembles an actual point in favor of your position, it's just wallowing in irrelevant self-pity. No one gives a shit how depressed you are, I'm sure there are plenty of people here living with depression every single day, but they don't vomit up a whiny paragraph trying to justify their idiotic opinions with it.
Same Anon you fucking think it is.
Yeah, that's basically what I thought.
I don't mind it being that.
Can I not have a waifu?
>I don't care about blogging.
Then don't do it, fag.
>I provided context.
You provided "muh experience as a depressed artist such as myself". You added as much insight to the issue as "btw I'm a girl".
NGE's plot is the whole mess surrounding the angels, the dead sea scrolls, and the various characters trying to use them to attain instrumentality/various other ends. It also has to do with the episodic "mechas fighting monsters". Regardless, neither is really fleshed upon well enough to come to any kind of real conclusion, so I like the original ending's style of going "fuck it, we're just going to sit the characters down for a chat and branch into hypotheticals". I feel it's more true to the fact that NGE could have a completely different plot, or even a slightly different setting, but it's the characters and their relationships that make the series what it is.
Most real Evangelion fans get this, but the issue is that filthy casuals never do.
Asuka is deliberately written to be a bitch.
There, short enough for ya?
Which is really what everyone keeps getting on him about because they couldn't tell symbolism from imagery.
I0m having troubles understanding your post.Double captcha is fucking with me. I just provided a conection between depression and Evan beyond the rejection for the audience and people around you since there has always been known to be... one? there? Fuck I can't write for shit...
Also to add to my post, that doesn't mean that there weren't actual symbolism in the story it's just that most of it had nothing to do with religion. Stuff like Shinji's cassette player or Gendo's glasses or Misato's cross are actual symbols. And also not all symbolism is "deep".
what are you even trying to say
fucking collect your thoughts before typing them out
And the Eva's are symbolic of cool robots
It'ssad that you only get nice Eva threads at 3 inthe morning with shitty OPs.
>the one actual Biblical reference in Eva
>Shinji doesn't get it
Fine, fucking whatever.
Scroll up, I figured Anno was a depressed sack of shit throughout the development of evangelion, and you confirmed it a few minutes later.
Do you want me to go in depth or not?
No, the Evas are cool robots.
Captcha: Allpusy today
Your wording tells me you really want to. Go ahead.
what a plen
The eva's are monsters.
They're more akin to giants with hooks in their skulls meant to control them than they are giant robots.
Also, I forgot to mention that I in many ways consider the series to have reached a meaningful conclusion at the end of Episode 24 (or as good of a conclusion as it could have gotten), and I consider 25+26 to be better "bonus episodes" than episodes 25'+26', which I both feel stretch the series out a bit too long, and take certain plot elements too far, too quickly (causing many of the deus ex machinas I talked about before).
Why should anybody care what you personally consider them to be, when we have facts about what they are
Eva threads with serious OPs lately have either died quickly or turned into meta bullshit. Eva threads with OPs like these lately have actually turned around into some good discussion.
In fact, there were a couple of threads last week with OPs about Retake and even those turned out better.
You know we've really run out of things to talk about when we try to discuss a fan fiction.
...tch, whatever kid... you're not worth my time... *sheathes katana and walks away*
What do you mean?
How come the long, lean Asuka body-type isn't more popular in anime? I find it sexy as hell
That's funny I guess.
Look man, I'm not saying I'm right here.
Just that I think Anno deliberately wrote Asuka to be a shallow vapid cunt, and people who go "Asuka is mai waifu" don't realize you aren't supposed to like her.
You know the whole reasoning behind Asuka already, fucking everyone does.
How she covers up her own weakness through projection.
She's essentially the real personality later characters like Kamina are based on.
Look, I'm not passionate enough about this to give it much more than that.
Take what I've said and the shit I've spewed for whatever you want, you're not going to see me again after this thread, unless foolz implements "writing styles" as a search query.
I mean nobody cares
I've found that threads are fine as long as nobody mentions the you-know-whats.
plebs prefer extremes like meat or flat when lithe & leggy is the true king
No we don't.
People have been arguing about what conclusion was the real one since day one after EoE's release. Anno's been feeding us a bunch of different shit.
I mean, 25+26 vs EoE is personal interpretation as well. I personally consider each to be a separate entity from 1-24, and that 25+26 is the better "add-on" to 1-24 that doesn't try to redefine it in under an hour and a half.
>and people who go "Asuka is mai waifu" don't realize you aren't supposed to like her.
But I both realize that and still like her, what are you gonna do about it?
Nippon isn't exactly known for it's large amounts of tall slender women.
I don't have a waifu, what are you gonna do about it?
>Call a character shallow
>Proceed to explain in what way they have depth as a character
To be fair, when Anno made Evangelion, nobody was supposed to like it either.
Shallow as in a personality trait.
I guess "vain" would be a better term.
What the fuck is "kek"?
What does "supposed to" matter?
A shit /v/ meme.
You're trying to shit on me, what you don't realize is you're proving your own point.
Intent doesn't equal results.
Can you tell me what "lel" is as well?
I've been hearing it a lot lately.
>what you don't realize is you're proving your own point.
I'm going to sleep. You won't see me in this thread either. You have your own idea about Anno's intent and Asuka's character and you use it to rationalize why you don't like her. I think differently. I like Asuka -- can't really change that, either.
The guy's clinging to a cobbled together strawman of authorial intent based on half-truths and complete fabrications, just let it go
lel r u kitten m8? top kek gr8 bn8 m8 i r8 8/8 no h8
Not to mention authorial intent makes NGE terrible, because Anno's a dick about everything.
Funny that you ask, that's also a shit /v/ meme.
That's not entirely accurate.
lel is a /sp/ may may
kek is /v/'s localization
>My name is Joshua
Son, I'll have you know that you're not allowed to have my name nor think you can get with my girl please leave.
By simply posting
>What does "supposed to" matter?
in an attempt to shut me down.
But in doing so you've proven that the intent of what you do doesn't apply to the results by unintentionally making a solid point.
If that's how it is then sure. I see no problem in admitting I'm wrong when I am.
So, what did I say that's wrong?
Again, my words aren't coming out right here.
I'm not saying NGE IS shit,
just that Anno INTENDED to make it shit.
I actually think he made something very good because he hated it so much and wound up putting so much effort into it.
Thanks, just going to start filtering posts with it in it.
Well I guess we know what happens next.
There can be only one.
You don't seem to understand.
Asuka is a shallow cunt.
Shinji is a bitter asshole.
Rei is a numb sociopath
Misato is an repressed alcoholic
Kaji is a fatalistic romantic.
Gendo is a desperate egotist.
Anno wrote humans... Even Gendo's right hand man is an inert sycophant.
You aren't supposed to like Asuka because you aren't supposed to like anyone when they're at their worst.
Could you imagine discussing archaeology with an young Gendo? How about sharing a beer with a far less jaded Misato?
A warm embrace, a genuine smile, a kind look... This is the reason we share our affection with others.
We are all broken, with sharp edges and ugly cracks, but there remains something in the whole worth repairing and saving.
EVA characters are all horrible people who could live far better lives if they shared their fears, experiences and passions. Everyone's got their coping mechanism, and all of them are just as destructive to themselves and others as the last.
The Hedgehog's dilemma isn't just a dumb analogy for character drama, it's a rule of human socialization.
>But in doing so you've proven that the intent of what you do doesn't apply to the results by unintentionally making a solid point.
I don't recall saying otherwise. Are you thinking I'm someone else?
>unintentionally making a solid point.
I'm pretty sure I did it intentionally.
Are you okay?
I'm going to screenshot this post. This was really well put anon.
Oh, I'm not arguing with you. I was arguing against the guy you were responding to - I was just saying that NGE would be one of my primary examples of works that support authorial intent not being a primary factor in the consumption of media (rather looking at the work primarily on the basis of its own faults and merits).
It's also really obvious for non-autists
you are wrong because you make an assertion and do not provide evidence.
>unintentionally making a solid point.
is english not your first language or do you just have trouble understanding meaning
You're all right.
My outlook is one of hate, so yeah I don't see the good in people.
Not really, thanks for your concern.
There's nothing more to it than I didn't pick up on that remark as being clever.
Guess I'm just too used to /a/ shitting on anything I say to them.
Ok, i'll stay here.
Are you a genuine autist? Serious question.
>not expecting autists
Well, there's your problem. I'm just going to save this for the next time someone complains about the characters.
i'm being 100% serious when i say this. don't take this as a joke or an epic meme or whatever. you need to know this if you're to continue living on this planet and interacting, even virtually, with other human beings:
you might have autism.
It should be, but like the religious "symbolism", it just shows the ever-prevalent /a/utism. It's also the reason I like 25+26 - I feel it's just unapologetically in your face about it.
There's a little autist in everyone.
Concept of the mind is an abstract ideal and we lose it very easily when the blood runs hot.
Like when someone says "X best girl"
Hint: I'm talking about /a/.
>This is roughly the world-view for Neon Genesis Evangelion. This is a world-view drenched in a vision of pessimism. A world-view where the story starts only after any traces of optimism have been removed.
>And in that world, a 14-year-old boy shrinks from human contact. And he tries to live in a closed world where his behaviour dooms him, and he has abandoned the attempt to understand himself. A cowardly young man who feels that his father has abandoned him, and so he has convinced himself that he is a completely unnecessary person, so much so that he cannot even commit suicide.
>And there is a 29-year-old woman who lives life so lightly as to barely allow the possibility of a human touch. She protects herself by having surface level relationships, and running away. Both are extremely afraid of being hurt. Both are unsuitable-lacking the positive attitude-for what people call heroes of an adventure. But in any case, they are the heroes of this story.
>They say, "To live is to change." I started this production with the wish that once the production complete, the world, and the heroes would change. That was my "true" desire. I tried to include everything of myself in Neon Genesis Evangelion-myself, a broken man who could do nothing for four years. A man who ran away for four years, one who was simply not dead. Then one thought. "You can't run away," came to me, and I restarted this production. It is a production where my only thought was to burn my feelings into film.
If I'm wrong.
Then I am.
I'll look to backing up my claims towards this kind of stuff more in the future since I just said "Anno did this because he did."
Hell, I relied on other Anons to post the inevitable evidence, without bothering to have it.
Are you fucking with me again?
Hey guys, did you ever think that maybe the reason why we like the broken Evangelion girls, or hell, even the waifu phenomenon in general was just a part of a greater pattern of self-defeatism in all of us?
>Are you fucking with me again
Genuine asspie detected. Welcome to /a/ friend.
>Are you fucking with me again?
I'm not autistic.
I'm just nice.
>Are you fucking with me again?
Yeah now I can see why you're posting this tirade of nonsense about this dumb anime, dude.
Why set that boundry?
We like broken things because we feel we don't deserve nicer things.
We see ourselves as broken because we don't live up to our expectations.
We see others as broken because they maintain the same self-harming mindset.
Why indulge in sorrow alone? Misery loves company.
There is no pot so crooked that you cannot find a lid to fit it.
Are you seeking any kind of mental health treatment? For your chronic depression at least?
This is why I don't care what people say about Eva. Shit is beautiful.
>Are you fucking with me again?
This can't be the first time someone read the subtext in that scene but i think you are onto to something regarding her desiring shinji.
Me too op. in fact I wondered what the white stuff on shinji's hand was and since the whole thing didn't make any sense anyway I assumed it was angel blood or something.
You know what posting on /a/ is like for me?
It's like having weiners for a mouth.
Everybody I know gave up on me.
I'm honestly just waiting until something kills me.
No, but, what I meant is, what if we're all just like Shinji in EoE. Masturbating to the comatose Asuka, only able to feel any real connection or emotion with something that we fully know cannot reciprocate.
>implying Anno didn't put that imagery in cause he was fucking hating on God the whole time he was depressed
I like your summary.
Honestly, if I had to guess, I would say that you might not actually be on the autism spectrum, but that your depression and isolation has eroded your interpersonal skills to the point where you are easily mistaken for a genuine autist.
go to a doctor instead of posting on /a/
>Expanding it to 16:9 instead of 4:3
We never can reciprocate. Even actual human interactions are based on a facade presented to a partner.
The only difference between waifuism and relationships is that waifuists construct two facades and play shadow puppets with their built partner.
We're all masturbating to Asuka anon. A relationship is only when we find someone in the circlejerk we're willing to give a handy.
And it's this feeling that is so palpably missing in Rebuild.
I watched the series once before via TPB torrent. I want to try again with a better source.
What's the best torrent for the series? 2D4U?
Just cause the creator tells you one thing doesn't necessarily mean its true.
The curtains were fucking blue.
>Even actual human interactions are based on a facade presented to a partner.
Have you never had a deep relationship with someone?
You can really tell when something is a very personal work and when it isn't
I'm only posting because I'm dumb enough to reply to people, regardless of what they're saying.
I'm fully aware of what you've said, like right now.
I'm replying to you because I normally get no validation for whatever I do, not at my job, not at home, all I get is berated if I fuck up.
That's not the only example, but it is one. And it's part of why I seek any kind of acknowledgement.
Or why I seemingly get a rush whenever I'm lucky and feel like I've "outsmarted" someone.
My defining trait though is how naive I fucking am.
I'm still trusting you all because you're giving me some form of validation, even if I know you'll spit in my face.
Because ever so often someone isn't a complete piece of shit on 4chan.
Anyway, I'm beyond the point of feeling depressed, I know it's self indulgent "deep" bullshit when I say I died a long time ago, but I fucking died a long time ago.
I don't feel anything, and that's why I have no motivation.
I feel no joy when I'm succesful, no dissapointment when I fail, no shame when I'm pointed out how retarded I look like right now.
I just do things and see what happens.
Where do you think we are?
Do you have a better suggestion?
Is there something wrong with the [bloat] version?
Well, you could always download the raws, those come with subtitles since it's a rip of the platinum dvds
Seriously make a fucking tumblr, you would fit right in to the hugbox with your self-indulging fatalist nonsense.
Better putting it there where people will give you a hollow pat on the back to help validate their own position by having others like them around themselves rather than here where we'll just call you a stupid faggot for doing it, like I am now.
you forgot to mention that there's a childrens song about that chapter that describes the walls of Jericho "tumbling down"
Are you going to sit there and tell me you've stood, not naked, but flayed to the bone in front of your partner?
You can share, you can dig, you can cut as far as you can, but there's a point where the boundary cannot be crossed. You have shared everything... but what cannot be expressed or translated to another.
It doesn't need to be crazy... It could be a fetish or a odd line of thought.
It could be thoughts of genocide, flights of egoistic godhood, fantasies of blood and steel.
There is a point where the world and you are separate, an absolute territory if you don't mind the wordplay.
Sometimes you aren't even willing to admit to yourself that there's something beneath, but it's there, and you will probably take it to your grave.
Yes, they're called breasts and they're these wonderful soft, warm, squishy things that women have in various sizes and shapes of all sorts.
Anno was also a very depressed man at the time and was very successful and wealthy when he made the comment
A lot writers tend to write hidden meanings that the author themselves didn't even realize that were there due to their own state of mind.
Anno is just rejecting it.
Or just shitting on his fanbase.
The funny thing is that people with a christian education note that he used the wrong symbols the right ways.
When I say the christian symbolism is window dressing, I'm not saying Anno didn't include Christian concepts or themes in EVA... I'm saying he didn't recognize them as such.
I don't fucking need validation from those faggots.
tumblr is the absolute toilet of the internet.
People pretend fucking disney characters live in their heads there and get mad when you don't call them made up words.
I'd rather be called on my bullshit and punched in the dick by assholes like you than share the same space as them.
That's a reference to the biblical story of Jericho when a seemingly unshakable, unbelievably sturdy walls of an impenatrable city were razed to the ground by god when the Isrealites blew their battle horns.
So, what you're saying is, the walls of Jericho came tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down
Are these the people who say "well girl xyz wanted me to sleep over but it took me 2352385 years to realize she liked me"
Are they real or just caricatures and internet fabrications
An issue that is in the same vain of not understanding that people have a "hidden deepness" to themselves is the misunderstanding that this seemingly mysterious notion is much "deeper" than it really is.
I don't really care for your poetic nonsense about how you can't "truly understand" someone, nor do I think it's really relevant to the subject of reciprocation and the bearing of a facade towards others, nor do I really think it's an issue in human interaction.
No shit we have traits of ourselves that we knowingly and unknowingly do not present to others, including traits we ourselves don't recognize. We do, to an extent, play ourselves off to be different than how we "truly" are, in effect. But taking this notion and asserting "we never can reciprocate" based off of it is complete nonsense, and spits in the face of what reciprocation itself is.
tell me more
Yeah, I know the story. I just think that he should have mentioned >>101073221 as well, for extra fun.
Yet you sure as shit are desperately seeking validation on fucking 4chan.
Check the posts you've made and note how many times "I" has either been the topic or the subject. Your little game of baiting the hook is annoying as shit.
The worst part of rebuild is that it's pretty much evangelion without the things that made evangelion good
I hope 4.0 is 2 hours of anno telling everyone how retarded they are, just like that part of EoE but longer
But that's just it.
Perfection is unachievable. She/he will never love you the same way you love him/her.
But if you both run for the goal, you have one of the most beautiful scenarios in the universe: S/he'll never catch you any more than you can catch him/her... But holy hell what a game.
Nobody ever spouted any nonsense such as "perfection". We're talking about base level reciprocation here which you, hopefully as a bit of hyperbole, completely denied.
holy shit captcha stop fucking changing the moment I hit submit I swear to god
You make a good point.
If a majority of the posts on 4chan didn't have "I" in them.
It's because you don't fucking know anything about the people you're speaking to, so of course you naturally go for "I" over "you"
What, is that half assed point some attempt to say "Get on topic"?
NGE Is shit.
This thread has become incomprehensible retardation.
And stop blogging about your life.
It's amazing how quickly this thread went to shit.
Can we talk about Asuka again?
Eat a dick.
I think that's why it went to shit in the first place.
Asuka a shit.
Waifu's are for faggots.
Think about it, without the budget-friendly end the death threats, the graffitis etc wouldn't have happened and EoE would have been completely different, if it even happened
The point was that you've spent more time attempting to garner some nonsensical validation in this thread than you have actually discussing the show. All you've done is use the subject of Eva as a tool to talk about yourself and how it impacts your life and how your life impacts your view of it, all the while giving us this nonsensical facade of how beaten by life you are and how unfeeling it's made you when I doubt even you actually believe that about yourself, you just enjoy the idea of it because it affords you the ability to come on here and gain validation through idiots like me who keep responding to you.
tl;dr: Put on a trip so I can filter you or discuss this stupid children's cartoon.
Or 25 and 26 would have been more or less EoE.
But yeah, I'm more or less happy with the way it turned out
I like EoE more because the imagery is done really well.
Well, the [bloat] version is just that. It's bloated. And it lacks the English audio.
I'm not putting on a trip.
If what I had to say truly had no weight then you'd have just ignored it like shitposting.
Or are you, mad?
>I'm not putting on a trip.
Then fuck off
I can at least leave knowing I unintentionally shit up a thread and ruined your time spent in it.
Enjoy your shitty anime faggot.
Don't forget your edge on the way out
You're kind of missing the point of EoE. EoE is as much an overwhelming experience for Shinji as it is for the audience. The film seems to portray Shinji's growth as a character but the real purpose is for the audience to grow as people. This is most apparent when the film cuts away from the story completely and shows live action shots of people on the streets and in the theater. The film is meant to be a exercise into our minds as well as journey for Shinji. The film intentionally ends with nothing truly being "resolved" because to do so would betray the films purpose. The film doesn't give anyone a "happy end" because that's not how reality works. Shinji still has problems as seen when he tries to strangle Asuka at the beach. But the point is that he can finally start to move forward even if the path is a painful one.
>Just that I think Anno deliberately wrote Asuka to be a shallow vapid cunt, and people who go "Asuka is mai waifu" don't realize you aren't supposed to like her.
The master has spoken.
I wonder if he says stuff like that just because he doesn't want to give a better answer.
Or maybe he just has good taste
Anno does like to troll.
Good lord that's horrible English
>claims Eva is shit
>comes into a thread about it to discuss it
Am I missing something?
Please, please tell me you are seriously not watching this shit stretched to 16:9.
Quick artist lookup says it's an italian. I got nothing on why it isn't better.
>pretty much no anime on the planet has that as a ratio.
Pretty much every single anime ever made now has that aspect ratio.
Think you meant the 1600x900 resolution.
You're correct on your point that it's an external screenshot and OP is watching it stretched to 16:9 on his screen though.
>Anno-san doesn't understand women.
He sound so weird and plebeian in his english interviews. It's like he doesn't give a fuck and says whatever comes first to his mind.
He probably doesn't. You ever go through interviews with David Lynch before he got into the whole mind-awarness stuff?
He's actually pretty likable if you only watched the first ep
daily reminder kaji and ritsuko has no clouds
Guys, did it ever occur to you Evangelion is deep?
yeah, most of Lynch's answers just point out that his work is open to interpretation
Yes, we exist. The thing is, though, it's less about flat-out not realising what the girl wants and more your crushing lack of self-esteem subconciously convincing you she doesn't want what you think she wants.