I just finished this series for the first time (both the anime and the LNs).
Holy shit /a/, I am fucking crying. The wedding scene, the confrontation with Manami, it was all perfect. Such an amazing love story. I can't believe Fushimi managed to end it the way he did, he pulled off the impossible just like Kyousuke.
>Kyousuke inspires Kirino to be great when they are children
>Kyousuke gets turned into a piece of shit by Manami
>The Kirino that has been changed by her brother then inspires Kyousuke to be great, allowing for him to turn into Super Kyousuke and make her dreams a reality
It wasn't Manami that brought them together. It wasn't Kuroneko. Though they may have helped along the way, they bonded and grew closer because of each other's support. Because they are siblings.
I think it may even be the Greatest Love Story Ever Told.
nigga u gay
shes easily the worst girl and she still wins
>I think it may even be the Greatest Love Story Ever Told.
What the fuck is wrong with all the Oreimofags recently? Jesus christ. I haven't read the LNs, but the anime is pretty average. It ends like shit too, and Kirino a shit.
More like best girl
>I think it may even be the Greatest Love Story Ever Told.
And Kirino is worst girl.
Also this. Sorry, it doesn't even come close to Toradora.
Which OP probably haven't seen.
>I haven't read the LNs
There's your problem.
Maybe so, but owning a bunch of books about incest would be pretty hard to explain.
I really can't into books on monitor screens either, it has to be an actual book.
I understand. There are .pdfs/.epub available for the first 5 volumes, and the rest are on Baka Tsuki. It's pretty easy to download a web page as a pdf if you wanted to read on your phone or something, which is what I did.
Might give it a try after I'm done with the Spice & Wolf LNs. Maybe.
Are they really that much better than the anime?
They are. A ton of shit was cut. Most of it was important to the plot and to characterization. Kirino isn't nearly as much of a bitch in them, and later even thanks him for putting up with her harshness, because she can't help it and she's that way for a reason (because of what happened in their childhood.) Conversely, Kuroneko is more manipulative and selfish in them, and so is Manami. The anime just really doesn't do it justice. Not to mention an entire plot arc was cut that is pretty central to the way that Kyousuke and Kirino are now, and without it there are dozens of recurring themes and plot elements in the series that are just absent. Not to mention there are just tons of great scenes that got cut, like Akagi and Kyousuke competing and arguing over whose little sister is cuter. It's kind of hard to explain, but you should read the FAQ here.
Pic also related.
We've had Kirino/Oreimo threads today. Please, just...give it a little break.
No! It was so close! Why would you do this to me? I had hope! I had HOPE!
You will never destroy these threads. You refuse to stay out of Oreimo threads and insist on shitposting in them, so you have forced my hand. I will make even more Oreimo threads now. I will keep making them until the day you blow your brains out becasue you can't stand forcing yourself to post in them.
Why are you so tsundere?
I hadn't even tried anything, yet! I thought that, this one time, the thread would just die, and everything would be fine!
I try and be fair about these things. I don't try twice in one thread or twice in one day (at least not deliberately). And what I do is distract. I suggest that Kirino fans do some sort of group activity so they won't post in the thread.
You just hurt.
Well, it is best archetype. That's something that can be agreed on between us.
And I'm not tsundere! I'm just upset.
>any kind of -dere
Fucking Japan can't into female characterization without shitty tropes.
Surely OP is trolling.
Surely this thread wont devolve into 100+ posts about which girl is 'best'.
>Surely I am a retarded nigger.
Glad we settled that then
Anybody up for an Oreimo marathon? We could set up a livestream.
If ever I watch the anime it's just to jump around to the few scenes the anime did decently. I don't think I'd want to watch the whole thing again.
But we'd all be watching together. That's different from just rewatching the series.
I would argue that all of Season 1 was done decently, or at least about 90% of it. Season 2 was where they really fucked up.
Loving all the Oreimo threads we've been having lately
This show is a shit.
No, Manami a shit.
>rejects Manami and Kuroneko for his shitty sister
this kills the anime
I shouldn't have laughed at that...
It is the greatest love story ever told
>I am fucking crying
Jesus christ what kind of faggot are you? What is there to cry about?
> Such an amazing love story. I can't believe Fushimi managed to end it the way he did, he pulled off the impossible just like Kyousuke.
God, you're retarded. Not to mention wrong. The ending and everything leading up to it was ridiculous. The ending itself (and the things that are implied to happen / not happen) make the entire series completely pointless.
Kill yourself for being so affected by such a shitty piece of "entertainment".
>/a/ - Stop liking things
Either that or trolls come in waves.
I don't like your mediocre/overrated (by retards) love story so I'm a troll?
>look at all these people pointing out how stupid and wrong I am
It is funny, isn't it?
>ending makes the entire series pointless
Did you stop watching in the last 5 minutes or something?
>they went back to having a normal relationship later that year...
Claiming to be an oppressed voice now are we?
Try actually replying instead of trolling.
I never told you to like it.
Haha, nope. Just as I thought it went completely over your head.
Here you go. The anime mishandled the ending, so it's not suprising a lot of people missed it.
Yup, you're right. Pic related, just a pair of normal siblings doing normal sibling things.
No no, it's not lewd. It's okay because they are siblings.
Are you starting to get it now?
>Claiming to be an oppressed voice now are we?
Pulling shit straight out of that gaping thing you call an asshole now are we?
Stop misusing terms like "trolling" to mean "insulting things I like" you babby.
>these fan-made images
Y-you guys sure told me!
Well you weren't making legitimate arguments in the previous posts, so what were you doing?
I'm not suggesting trolling is the only options (see >>101073029) you could just be bad at arguing.
I thought you might say that.
Here you go Anon!
Why are you even here? You're doing nothing but shitposting.
If you aren't interested in Oreimo that's fine, those images are for people that are. Is this difficult for you to understand?
>good characterization for anybody at all
>realistic characterisation at all
Dude, harems have some of the best.
I'm insulting you and your clearly inferior preferences in Chinese nerd shut-in entertainment. There's nothing to argument about, son. It's simply a matter of preference and your preference happens to be god fucking awful.
>more fanwanking and guesswork
No one cares, faglord.
>more fanwanking and guesswork
He linked author interviews. You're not even trying.
Maximum shit taste, kill yourself.
The only decent moment in it was Manami gut punching Kirino to ensure she cant get pregnant.
>I never cared or liked it in the first place! The show is for faglords!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OH WOW.
Haha Jesus Christ, I saw this coming like a freight train. I've been one step ahead of you this whole time. Good game, friend. See you next time.
>The only decent moment in it was Manami gut punching Kirino to ensure she cant get pregnant.
Sweet, now they don't even have to use protection when they have passionate imouto-aniki sex. Thanks again Manami for bringing them closer.
>I came here to insult people not discuss the series with them
That's what trolling is.
I think that's closer to shitposting. Trolling implies intent and I don't think he's clever enough for that.
You realize, the real ending of LN is both Kirino and Kyousuke being murdered?
Anon, if you just spam the same thing over and over it becomes boring.
>You're not even trying.
True. I didn't even follow of those links. You know why? Because this is still overall a bad piece of Korean entertainment.
So do you guys actually like any good shows? What are you watching this season?
>I didn't even follow of those links. You know why? Because this is still overall a bad piece of Korean entertainment.
What a cop out. You saw that someone was clearly better prepared for the argument than you were and backed out with the excuse that you don't care because it's shit. Didn't even look at the person's arguments. This is the literal definition of shitposting. We're done here.
Time for more incest.
We were never arguing, retard. It was just me shitting on you faggots and your lack of taste,
>thread successfully destroyed
RIP in pieces Oreshit.
You must be new here. Kirinothreads never die.
>Bump a dead thread with shitposting
>Everyone gets bored of you
>People start ignoring you to dump images in a thread that would've otherwise died
>THREAD DESTROYED ORESHITS
Kirino is life.
I'm just posting my favorites btw. Some of these are just cool "what if" situations, but some of them portray canon events in a really interesting light.
Yes. Kirino is, in fact, comparable to a cockroach.
Kirino is love.
Wow, I don't even remember saving this one, but it definitely doesn't check out by the end of the anime. Obviously not.
How much do you love her?
That scene in the anime still was ruined for me. In the LN, the lights are off, the scene is much longer, and Kyousuke's narration adds a ton of emotion to it.
>I have been saved by my litttle sister.
Oh, and in the LN he's crying bitch tears the whole time. He's super embarassed about it and is glad it's a hug from behind, so that she can't see his face.
Do you have that one with Loli Ayase as Kyousuke and Kirino's child?
I love it, but I can't find it!
I missed you Anon.
I should also add that in the light novels, Kyousuke doesn't wake Kirino up with a slap. He pretty much pokes her and shakes her until she wakes up, and as soon as she realizes what's happening, she starts to scream. Kyousuke covers her mouth up with his hand and she starts to cry because she thinks that she's about to be raped by her brother.
Here you go.
Still waiting for that torrent, have I missed it?
Someone needs to start up a new translation project for these recent ones.
Anyway this is my last one, I'm tired so goodnight Kirinobros.
I don't think that Anon has delivered yet. The only recent torrents thrown around are for the recently released BDs.
>tfw no cute tsundere imouto wife
living is suffering
Doesn't anyone else think Manami's plan is a little bit unrealistic?
>You should be normal, like me! Only a normalfag can like you now!
If someone who actually does think like that, that ain't normal.
Someone needs to start up a translation project for the SD commentaries and the 45 minute special.
That's a lot more work, though. Little 2ch comics seem like an achievable goal comparatively.
In case anyone missed it.
It's completely up to you if ever want to use it or link it but I put it together with a few other Anons anyways.
Manami lacks a sense of irony while Kirino acknowledges that Kyousuke isn't the same as she idealised him.
But few people stick up for Manami anyway.
Thanks a lot anon. I also finished the anime yesterday, felt bad not knowing where to go.
Glad I could help, that's what it's there for.
Page 9? Not on my watch, I won't let Kirino thread die. Stay mad Kirino haters.
Nice save my dear Kyouma. Though I am now imagining Kyousuke endlessly looping time to save Kirino.
No wait, he would endlessly loop time to save Kuroneko, and Kirino would be his constant ally. So she can always help him, Kirino tells Kyousuke about the ipod and through repeated loops he comes to understand her tsundere.
Are you doing it for her, /a/?
left or right?
She doesn't remind me of my sister as much, nor is she literally my sister.
Doesn't look destroyed to me.
tfw no sister wife
Kirino a cute
Hey friend, still forgetting something?
Oh, hi my Kirinobrothers.
>anon, I found some pedophile incest on your computer
>N-no, it's the greatest love story ever told
>5-10 years in jail later
>5-10 years in jail later
What shitty country you live in?
Hmm actually i think i'm in the mood for some Pink & Green
That last shot where they are right next to each other, was that shown in the anime? What episode?
Must be EP 13 or 14, honestly i can't remember but since it's winter in the pic it must be form the last episodes.
Which OreImo is best OreImo and why is it Kiririn?
Kirino because she's love.
>Kyousuke's speech to Kirino at the end of Volume 5 about being lonely without her
>Kirino freaking out and crying in front of Kyousuke during the fake boyfriend incident, and Kyousuke comforting her
>Kirino confessing her feelings for Kyousuke and saying she wants to be the most important woman in his life
>Wedding dress chapter
>Christmas Eve confession scene
>Kirino being dere in the hotel afterwards and Kyousuke giving her the ring
>Manami's rejection and Kyousuke shouting out that he doesn't care what society thinks
>Wedding scene with Kirino hugging him and expressing her happiness
>Final kiss in Akihabara
I might have missed a few but I guess that makes at least about ~10 times that I cried while reading this LN? So, any series that can make me feel so much gets an A+ in my book.
Love = life
Kirino = love
Kirino = life
Oh yeah how could I forget, this scene was pretty heart wrenching too.
I still don't understand how people can like this, and I can't understand even more why people like Kirino.
I didn't know I could be so frustrated because people have different tastes.
What about the Ipod recordings? I couldn't help to cry a bit.
Maybe it would help if you could explain why you don't like something instead of just shouting "stop liking what I don't like".
Aw fuck you know what I knew I was forgetting some. How could I forget? The iPod scene honestly made me cry more than the confession or the wedding. It was perfect, much better in the LNs.
I do understand, it's because watched the show focusing on a different girl and you probably haven't read the LN.
OP is a faggot with shit taste, enjoy your shitty anime and awful books
Kirinobutt you say?
Seriously, who would wiggle their ass like that with your brother in the room. There's no way this happens naturally.
Yes, i did.
I hope you don't have anything lewd in mind with this.
>who would wiggle their ass like that with your brother in the room
Gee I don't know, maybe someone who has a crush on their brother?
The same girl that intentionally lets their Aniki walk in on her changing.
thats because best grill never wins.
Of curse not, don't sexualize Kirino, thanks.
I don't want to be friends anymore.
That's pretty poorly done and also 2lewd.
No, i just admire her body with pure motivations.
Don't make me fap again.
Manami is a dog that want attention
Kirino is a bitch that wants her brother
Neko is a femanon
Saore is weebleader
Why is no one picking Saore?
>Why is no one picking Saore?
because no one likes Liverpool FC
Kyousuke loves her because she was his first girlfriend, and because she's a young cute girl that wants his heart. It's not true love, it's a crush. If you've ever had a gf you'll know why Kyousuke fell in 'love' with Kuroneko. Also manipulates Kyousuke and Kirino's feelings in order for them to confess so she can get Kirino out of the way for her to be with Kyousuke (not unlike Manami). Asks Kyousuke out with the knowledge that it hurts Kirino, and also asks her when it's okay to have sex with him. Was never a true friend of Kirino, but rather is desperate for a friend so she leans on Kirino. Kirino is the same to her as well.
Manipulated his feelings as a child for her own gains, is literally an enemy to both Kyousuke and the most important girl in Kyousuke's life (Kirino). Refuses to support him when it matters, wants him to stay as a pathetic piece of shit that is dependant on her. Is a mega-bitch in secret, especially to Kirino. Constantly judges others. Kyousuke is unable to think of her as anyone other than his grandma.
Wasn't a love interest in the first place, and if she were it wouldn't work, Saori's entire conflict is that she needs someone who comes from similar walks of life as she does, and someone who can understand the problems and passions that she has. This person is Miura, by the way. They're destined. Most importantly though, Kyousuke isn't in love with her and she isn't in love with him.
Original motivation was to marry Kyousuke so she can be closer to Kirino. Attempts to even act like Kirino to win over his love. Scares Kyousuke, threatens to murder him, almost rapes him, and has no consideration for his feelings at all. Fell in love with Kyousuke literally because he gives her attention. She doesn't want him to be happy or to support him, she wants to have him. Kyousuke hates her personality, but is swooned because of her good looks and charm.
A shallow crush. She liked him because he complimented her. Kyousuke doesn't like her because she reminds him of Kirino.
Impossible be seperated from Kyousuke or live without him. Been with Kyousuke since birth. Since they were children, helped each other in more ways than one. Has been in love with Kyousuke for over 10 years, and wants him to be the best he can be. Anger towards him is because of competing inner feelings of being disgusted by her own love and disappointed in what he has become. Entire series (and entire lives) is filled with symbiotic and mutual support for each other. Because young Kyousuke inspired her, she became great to keep up with him, and because of Kirino's greatness later in life, Kyousuke recovers from his depressing low and catches up with Kirino so they can walk side by side. Contrasted with the other girls, is always thinking of Kyousuke and supporting him. At the end of the series, loves her Aniki deeply for who he is, even if he is boring.
I've never watched Oreimo. I remember long ago reading the manga, thinking it was ok and probably stopping at latest chapter and forgetting about it. If someone streamed i'd watch, if not what would be the best to start?
Manga, anime, LN? what are the main differences?
yes i've quickly taken a look at this pastbin and concluded it was some kind of summary or analyzing of the thing, and thought it would spoil me everything.
My bad, confused the pastebin with another one posted in the thread. Sorry for not paying attention, thanks.
There is no mention of the manga adaptation in the spoonfeeding guide by the way. What are the opinions on it? I usualy prefer manga to anime which is why I ask.
Anon that wrote it here. I haven't read the manga and not many have, but from the few opinions I've seen around it isn't that good, and I certainly know it isn't essential. Either way, the LNs are the best. The anime recommendation is mainly there because most /a/nons aren't interested in reading a series right off the bat. Since you're already relatively familiar with the series, and if you aren't the type of person that is physically opposed to reading things, I recommend you dive into the light novels, as they are hands down the best and I would argue the only way that the story is properly told. Since you've read the manga and it follows the canon events fairly closely from what I know, the stories in the first few volumes will probably be a bit familiar to you and keep you interested. They aren't that long, it only took me about 4 weeks to get through them. The anime adaptation isn't that great, it's just there to hook people into the series and characters because it's accessible. The other pastebin is there to hopefully compensate and unfrustrate people, and encourage them to read the source material. Reading the LNs first is the best way to go but that's a lot to ask for most newcomers to the series. If you read manga though, you should be fine as it's easy to read and plenty accessible.
But, it's up to you. I don't know much about the manga really, I'm not sure if it's even finished.
In the manga Kirino's a bit too dere and it sort of trivializes the conflict that drives most of their actions. It makes her out to be tsundere for tsundere's sake when there's a lot more to it. It does emphasize the dere though which is a nice contrast to the anime doing the opposite.
That said, if you don't mind the artstyle it's probably on par with the anime for what it has adapted, but it's really far behind.
the manga has the third Kirino's friend, Ran? I can't remember her name
What about her? She's in the LNs and the anime as well.
no, only in the manga and the 2ch images
Do you like Kirino?
You're superficial and the only thing that really entices you about her are her looks and/or the incest angle.
Congratulations, while you may be tempted by the physical appearance of character, you also take into account their personality. You won't make excuses for how bad they act, you will accept that they are fap material and nothing more.
>Aniki deeply for who he is, even if he is boring.
Aptly by not talking to him for years because she betrayed her expectations.
Nope, she's in the wedding dress chapter.
>"Yes, you are very cute. Ah, I wanted to wear that dress too ----", One of the models, Ran-chan, said with a perfunctory, courtesy smile.
>"Still, your clothes aren't bad."
>Really? We kept chatting in harmony.
She is also mentioned at another part of the series if I remember correctly, but I don't know where exactly.
Do you hate Oreimo/Kirino?
While there are exceptions to this, in all likelihood you haven't even bothered to skim the LNs for the content cut from the anime, and are completely ignorant of why characters act the way they do, but still insist on expressing your opinion on the subject you know nothing about.
Congratulations, there are a million reasons you might think this and I'm not going to come up with a generic assumption about the mindset of someone who likes Kirino because I'm not braindead enough to jump to conclusions about why someone thinks what they think.
>I'm not going to come up with a generic assumption
>in all likelihood you haven't even bothered to skim the LNs
You're wrong, I have, her reason for being a bitch is stupid and her methods of handling it are stupid.
twelve hours later it's still here... well i guess it wasn't successfully destroyed
To put it simply, I don't believe you since you don't bother to come up with an argument. I'll rest my case with this.
"Three years have come to pass before I once again received help from aniki — he has helped me time and time again since then. Little by little we started having small talks with each other. I finally understood what Manami meant back then. My aniki is not an invincible superhero. He can only do normal things. He is a normal student. He felt happy when he got a girlfriend. He felt lost and frustrated when he was dumped. He got angry when someone played with him. He cried when he was hurt — just like me, he is a normal human being."
What is going on… Damn… what the hell is going on.
Now… I really… want to apologize to my little sister.
But that would upset her, so I stopped myself.
I'm sorry. I'm not a good aniki.
I'm sorry. I can't become your invincible superhero.
I'm sorry for being a normal guy.
"My 'aniki' who loved to take care of others was actually just forcing himself, showing off, risking everything."
Something so simple, yet back then I couldn't understand —
Kirino gritted her teeth and looked down.
Then she looked up at Manami.
"So now, I will say this for three years ago — Manami, thank you for taking care of aniki."
"You are welcome."
Kirino and Manami didn't say anything — then Kirino did something unexpected. She suddenly bowed.
"I'm sorry. I was a non-sensible kid back then."
You've convinced me. I have nothing against reading, quite the contrary and I usually prefer to start by original work if I can.
I'll start with the LNs then.
Now i'm kinda hesitant to ask about this here but I always kinda assumed Light Novels were out of my reach because never translated. So I have no idea where to really get them, or even if I can buy them I wouldn't mind.
i want to marry kirino
What's to argue?
>Gets told liking her brother the way she did was wrong
>Never gets over it because she's stubborn and sick
>Brother begins to move on and doesn't take her everywhere anymore
>Manami gets Kyousuke to slow down
>Gets mad because she can't beat her brother in the race she practiced for and that he's normal
>Ostracizes him for years until he found out about her hobby
>Forces eroge and little sister shit on him
>Acts passive aggressive
Need I go on, I took care of the backstory and beginning of the first season and there's already enough for a sensible person to dislike her.
what does /a/ think of dennou coil
Since I didn't have room in this post let me say it now. Kirino has flaws, and she was wrong to ignore Kyousuke. She had good reasons for it, but the way she treated him was still mean. Kyousuke has flaws as well and has made mistakes in their relationship, like when he decided to date Kuroneko even though he didn't want his sister to have a boyfriend. Every character in the series is at fault at some point. But unlike Manami or anyone else, Kirino decided to change, and accept that her aniki isn't who she thought he was, so she swallows her pride, apologizes, and thanks Manami for counseling him. During the wedding, she apologizes to Kyousuke for being harsh and hard to understand. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say, we're done here.
Links are in the FAQ pastebin. Really, all the links you should ever need are in there.
Hey guys, how about that idea for a livestream?
It'd be fun! Rewatching sounds like it would be a great if we all did it together.
its time to stop shitposting
Oh, well. I'm holding to my promise of not trying twice in a thread after being noticed.
See you next time, guys.
Thanks guys, my Kirino folder was created tiday and I already have a decent collection
>thread is still here
A little hint for making a Kirino folder...
Incest is weird
I wish you would all stop fighting...
Kirino haters and othergirlfags need to be put in their place
But Mako, the Kirino fans are always so mean to everyone else!
Well, that was quite fortuitous.
Manaminekko is cutest Manami.
Take from that what you will.
Hard mode - not a feces joke
You said you'd stop.
Not a manamifag.
And I said I wouldn't do the distraction thing. I still want to READ the thread.
Any fans are welcome. I try not to be mean to other fans because that would be hypocritical.
I'm not sure shitposters deserve consideration. Except that one who's almost a gentleman.
Other people on this thread don't seem to think so, though.
Sorry, but, just to prove that you're being honest...
Say something nice to a Manamifag in this thread.
Looks like this is the most likely manami fan in the thread:
That is cuter.
I would have liked to see what would have happened if Manami cosplayed in the regular series. She rarely ever seems to cut loose.
I can see where you're coming from but I'm more interested in how she would act in such a situation considering she never gets involved in otaku stuff and seems to act very reserved most of the time.
That was quite pleasant.
I believe you now, anon. You're good people.
I bet when she goes the litterbox, all the other cats mistake her for shit and kick litter in her face.
Good attempt, though.
In context? You look like you're trolling.
Any other Kirino fans willing to back me up that we aren't full of hate and defensiveness?
>I just finished this series for the first time
Sure you did
What makes this more greatest love story ever told than the other greatest love stories ever told?
Because its about the purest form of love.
I don't hate on anyone, I'm just ignoring the shitposters.
Othergirlbros are welcome, I'm mostly contempt with posting Kiririn.
I actually am a Kirinobro, I just felt like making a witty comment because I saw the opportunity. Sorry, I couldn't help it.
In all seriousness, people that think Manami is cute and their waifu is fine. I have no issues with anyone calling any girl cute or best girl. The only thing that will get retaliation out of me is if someone says that Kirino shouldn't have won or that Kyousuke deserves someone else. I am totally accepting of cute pictures of Manami and discussing you're waifu Ayase or claiming that Kuroneko is best girl. Just don't tell me that she and Kyousuke should have ended up together, because that's bullshit no matter how you say it.
For some reason people like to self insert as Kyousuke, which seems to be the only possible reason that would cause such a substantial amount of hate from waifu shippers. It's basically them lashing out because Kirino won instead of the girl they liked the most.
Hell, I don't even like Kirino -that much-. I like her a lot, but not because I want to become 2D and marry her. I like Kirino because of all the romantic development she gets, and also because she loves and cares for Kyousuke the most out of all the girls. Personally, Saori is probably the one I would get along the best with if I was in Kyousuke's place. But it doesn't matter who I like, what matters is that the series is about Kirino and Kyousuke. It might hurt for some, but it's the hard truth. Fushimi even said that Oreimo is "Kirino's story".
I don't know what it is, but every girl in anime with glasses looks like a grandma to me.
What I want to know is... How long has their father been there watching?
Kyousuke feels the same way. When his grandma died he used her as a replacement.
He's so turned off to her romantically that I don't think he could get it up in front of a naked Manami even if he tried. This is where I don't get Manamifags, they clearly don't understand how friendzoned she is.
Making anyone else but the maingirl your waifu seems superficial to me. You often only get a glimpse about othergirls character anyways because of the little screentime she gets in comparison to maingirl. At least you get to know maingirl a little and then can decide for yourself if she's worthy of your waifu based on the actual time you spent with her.
You have shit taste and like whores.
Is that so?
Personally I'm hoping she'll be a grandmother one day. I know even some Kirino fans aren't on board with incestuous kids.
>only 1 person mentioned Toradora
You're so silly OP
Yes. Even Kirino looks like a baa-chan to me with glasses on.
I feel the similar in that Ayase is my waifu but Kirino and Kyousuke are who I ship, what the series is about, what all the symbolism reflects and the only fitting way to end the series.
She won't because she's a cartoon. She's going to canonically stay hiding from mommy and daddy.
Yup. If you want an othergirl end, play the VNs, that's what they are there for. I'm content with how it ended, even though I think Saori has more desirable qualities than Kirino. The only way to end it is with Kirino and Kyousuke, anything else would defeat the purpose of the series and make everything useless.
Even if they're worried about hiding it (and frankly tsundad is probably on board the incestmobile), there are options.
Funny thing is that waifu shippers tend to avoid the source material and the LNs, despite the fact that every girl and every side character gets about 50-75% more scenes and interactions than in the anime.
Cartoon, anon. She's a horribly written cartoon. Unless the author decides to milk more money from disgusting otaku fetishists, she will more or less die unmarried and having ruined her brother's relationships.
I like that comic even if it sort of defeats the purpose of the ending.
>she will more or less die unmarried and having ruined her brother's relationships.
How do you know that? Are you one of those people who think they broke up at the end?
I'm one of those people that realize nothing was confirmed at the end other than that they'd fool around while they lived under mommy and daddy's roof. In other words, a person that follows the canon rather than assuming they'll "GET MARRIED AND HAVE 2 BABIES AND LIVE IN A MANSION".
Ryouji and Taiga got married and lived happily.
Godai and that one girl got married and live happily with a kid.
These two fool around under their parents roof until...and that's where the author left it.
>How do you know that? Are you one of those people who think they broke up at the end?
He sounds like one of those shipperfags.
>She ruined the lives of everyone involved, guys!
Not realizing that it's Kyousuke that made that decision and continues to make it. Kirino gave him an escape plan and Kyousuke didn't take it.
>They don't continue at all
>They just continue for now until they move away from each other like they were supposed to had they returned to being normal siblings but somehow didn't.
>Don't ask me how I know that. I just do.
>"GET MARRIED AND HAVE 2 BABIES AND LIVE IN A MANSION".
I don't think anyone made that assertion. The author left it at both siblings wanting to be together forever, and in romance that means they're going to be together forever. The details of that aren't a concern just as they weren't in Toradora or any other romance series that ends at a kiss.
Technically two people, but yeah.
Is it time for Toradora, the best Oreimo?
But in Toradora, the epilogue has them married and having three kids and have unspecified living space.
That's even more than two kids and a mansion. By one.
I did the math.
It only counts for series that have protagonists that I ship. If I don't ship them I assume they break up.
Except in Toradora they got married.
Sorry Kirinofags can't accept the canon but their "greatest love story" doesn't even end in marriage or kids.
Or sex for that matter. They barely even had a kiss.
No, they break up afterwards because it didn't show their lives until death and I said so.
Where does that happen? Chapter or LN or whatever specifically. I only watched the anime.
>They barely even had a kiss.
Really? A wedding ceremony with a several second long kiss is "barely a kiss" to you?
It may have not been on par with Toradora's kiss but you're still retarded. Why are Toradorafags so defensive about a title that started off as a joke to mock them?
More like the greatest cop-out ever told.
shit, I prefer the romance in zero no tsukaima and sword art online over the one in toradora any darn day
>An oreimofag that hasn't read a light novel
If the pot were any blacker, it'd be chilling at a basket ball court.
Oh you're just mad because I told you the truth about your favorite love story. It's incomplete because the author got all the money he needed so he moved on to another self insert incest story.
ignore the shitposters
post more kirino
That's not right though.
Was casually browsing the page 1 and I noticed that you guys are mentioning Toradora had a significantly different end than I remember. I'm assuming it's from the original LN.
I'm currently reading the epilogue of the last volume and I see no mention of it. I guess it's only bullshit then?
Protip: the point of the ending is certain uncertainty. They don't know what the future holds. They don't know what they are going to do, and we don't either. This is the consequence of it being a love story between siblings. It can't end in "And they lived happily ever after" because that would be bullshit, it can't happen. Siblings can't get married, right? However...
We/Kyousuke know that only -one- future is possible, out of the many futures they may have. And that's continuing with their love for each other. They had a choice. They can either throw away their love and continue on with their lives (which Kyousuke obviously refuses to do, and in the past Kirino has tried and failed to do), or they can hold each other's hands and hope for the best. They haven't made that choice yet, they're still trying to compromise, which is why Kirino is forced to restart life counseling.
Kirino runs to america and plans to stay so she can throw away her bad habits and forget Kyousuke. She tries to go abroad to europe and leave japan forever, but her love for Kyousuke stops her. She tries to make an agreement to only date temporarily, but Kyousuke's love for her breaks that agreement.
Oreimo ended the only way it could have. You only have to follow the hints to know what the ending means. The ending has no definite conclusion to their story, we don't know what happens next. But that's the point. The only certain thing is they can't let go of their love.
It honestly bothers you that people like other things more than Toradora, doesn't it?
Oreimo's a better love story because of the growth and background of the characters, not because the author inserted a "look they fuck and have kids" ending for you to rub one out to. It's funny how you talk of money and pandering when a shallow "happily ever after ending" is exactly that.
Toradora P. The visual novel thing for PSP. Taiga's route is just the anime in VN form, and then the epilogue.
But that's a PSP VN. People consider those canon? I also heard it's bad. I will check it out in any case.
I read very quickly through the LN's epilogue and I like how it actually addressed Taiga's family a bit. A bit more closure than the anime presented.
Read harder nigga, it's there.
Yeah get mad, faggot. She canonically dies when the author dies and she's going to die unwed and a virgin slut. No better than Tomoko.
A few useful quotes:
>"I think it's great."
>It was Mikagami. Looked like he noticed what we were just talking about.
>By the way, this guy also knew about Kirino's and my secret.
>"Heh, I felt that you would say that."
>Because this guy liked siblings' 'forbidden love' the most.
>"Although I have said it before, there will be some obstacles when siblings want to marry each other — but I have successfully married a 2D girl."
>"What is with your righteous expression! That is not the current problem!"
>"It's the same. Marriage is not something the law can decide, it's something you decide for yourself. True, based on this country's law, I couldn't marry Rinko. But so what?"
>Just like Manami told me, I was a normal human.
>Things that were impossible were impossible and things that couldn't be done just couldn't be done
>But there was no way to skip 'choices'.
>Even if it turned bad, even if it turned impossible, there was no way I couldn't choose.
>Even if I had to throw away something important, I would have to make a choice.
>Just like right now.
Next is the most important one, and it's one of the reasons why the anime was shit is because there weren't inner dialogues by Kyousuke like this.
>"About that, actually we —!"
>Kirino was about to say 'our agreement,' but I raised a hand to stop her. Because the fight between Kirino and Manami had come to an end.
>Although I made an exaggerated comparison about this and a final battle, the truth was Manami was not a final boss. The last boss of this story, the enemy that we had to face had never showed itself.
>I turned toward it, or them and said:
>"I don't care!"
>I said that.
>"Alright, listen well — you are right, we were wrong. We knew that what we are doing is outrageous. Ethics, common sense, image. Eroge doesn't lack protagonists who would say that they are all so boring and discard them all. I feel that they are pretty cool, and I don't think they are a boring dream. All of them are important ways of thinking. I want to be a normal high schooler, want to continue living happily, thus I also think that there are many rules that have to be followed."
>That's why common sense and reputation existed everywhere in this world.
>Because all of them were correct. However —
>"But I want to break them! Because I have something far more important!"
So it's a tacked on pandering route that's not even canon within the series?
My as well call this canon too then.
Painfully obvious bait OP.
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Wow, the general american /a/ crowd sure is fucking retarded.
It's not my fault. That's the PSP game. I never guessed something that's usually made for fanservice to losing girls in harem would contain canon stuff.
>lying on the internet
Except for the part where it isn't because the LN directly contradicts the happenings in the VN. Checkmate faggots.
>B-BUT MUH EQUALITY
But it's just the anime with an epilogue attached.
How fucking retarded are you?
Why didn't the author write marriage+kids into the LN?
Why are you being an obnoxious faggot?
>A brand new life was about to begin.
>— My little sister cannot be this cute.
Wow, it's the same "inconclusive" nonsense.
So does this mean that Ami end is also canon end? Because I always wanted an Ami end that's canon. Fuck taiga.
Yes, Ami end is canon and also the greatest love story ever told.
But Toradora isn't about which girl's gonna win, it's about the characters realizing the difference between 'love' and 'adoration'.
And also Ami knowing everything about everyone 'cause she's apparently an esper or something.
OP here. I was being sincere. I'm glad it upsets you though.
>it's about the characters realizing the difference between 'love' and 'adoration'.
So Toradora is about semantics?
>Oreimo ends like Toradora
No it doesn't. They marry and have kids in Toradora.
>I didn't see that in the anime, is it in the LN?
If the pot were any blacker, it'd be chilling at a basket ball court.
>But it's not even in the Toradora LN
Holy shit read the LN harder. It's in the PSP VN.
PSP games are now canon cause I say so
>So Ami winning is canon too?
No. Nooooooooooo! GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD. GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD. GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD. GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD.
In Toradora, Taiga has a nightmare where she's married to a dog, lives in a doghouse, and has three puppies. Ryuuji has the same dream from the dog's perspective.
So...in the epilogue, it came true?
Wasn't there something about how they were living in poverty?
Which is worth more, the kid or the mansion?
>Only leverage is the conclusiveness of the ending
>It's not even canon, and the actual ending is barely more conclusive
At least Kirino and Kyousuke had a wedding ceremony. I bet Ryougi and Taiga just get over their crushes and he ends up with Ami!
Which side are you insulting?
I want to know this too.
Naw, VN is adapted from LN which was adapted to anime. Oreimo VN ended before the LN and isn't linear. What's so hard to get?
If it's canon why isn't it in the LN? It's non-canon pandering, not a continuation of the series.
Both. One for being stupid enough to not see that the other side were bullshitting and the other for getting fucked in the ass by surprise.
Notice how Taiga and Ryuuji deal with their feelings for Kitamura and Minori by going through movie cliches. Ryuuji keeps a box, Taiga writes a love letter, etc. They're acting based on what media TOLD them what love was like.
Which was which?
shit sucks get over it
It's the greatest love story, get over it.
shit sucks get over it
So you're saying the only true canon is all and only what is said in the LN? Joke's on you faggot, I don't care for Toradora, I'm a Maison Ikkoku guy. Thanks for proving once again that Kirino never gets married, has sex, makes babies, or lives her dream.
Semantics carries a connotation of being pointless. That theme doesn't sound pointless.
>Thanks for proving once again that Kirino never gets married, has sex, makes babies, or lives her dream.
Cool, so neither does Taiga or any girl in the typical romance story. Glad we could come to an understanding.
B-b-but Joke's on you faggot, I don't care for Toradora,
Not that guy, but why is anyone comparing 2 different canons? Certain things are and aren't canon for the Oreimoverse, and certain things are and aren't canon for the Toradoraverse. There is no need to say that if the VN is canon in one, it is canon in the other. Unless I'm misinterpreting you here.
Toradora guys... How come you never make your own threads?
>any girl in the typical romance story
>Being this mad
I know, I was just being a bit silly about it.
Have you watched or read Toradora? Personal favorite of mine.
Because Taiga and Kirino look a bit similar, and they're both tiny tsunderes.
Also it's the same story, except one of them has incest and the other has Rie Kugimiya.
Guess which one is which.
>implying that's typical
Takahashi doesn't even have that great of a an ending record.
And yet she's still higher than average.
I haven't, but it's at the top of my list now. I probably will one day, I'd like to know how it compares to Ore No Imouto. It's not my right to comment, but that theme sounds shallower than the ones I encountered in the Oreimo LNs, just based off first impression. Still sounds great though, it might not even be fair to compare them for all I know.
Now, have you read Oreimo? Personal favorite of mine.
They are pretty similar, what with the side characters being romantic options but never really, the winner being in the title, main girl encouraging MC to hook up with another despite loving him, that girl rejecting him because she knows he loves the main girl, etc.
Oreimo has incest and a better backstory though.
Not my fault your taste is shit and your favorite authors leave readers hanging. Maybe stop reading smut like incest and yuri about high schoolers and you'll find actual good love stories.
No, your taste is shit!
>that girl rejecting him because she knows he loves the main girl
Kuroneko only temporarily rejects him though, so that she can win him back over to her side. Her intentions didn't have anyone's happiness in mind but her own. Bitch.
I have not read the light novel, yet, but I know what the anime cuts out. I'll get to it, eventually.
>implying inconclusive endings are inherently bad
Takahashi left me hanging too many times.
A complete Kirno end, and he reinforced it so you can't say the other girls would have won if things had gone slightly differently.
And yet I like Kuroneko's character than Minori or whatever that red haired bitch's name is. She just went full suicide. While Kuroneko knew she didn't have a chance, she at least tried.
>character more than Minori
Also, I'd love to hear someone compare them more in depth.
He delivered as much as he could. He didn't go all the way. To be fair, I'm not one to think that they fucked during Christmas. If that had been confirmed then I agree.
Guilt all gone?
Trying is commendable in some situations. Not in hers. She tried at first, but even after she knew she was completely doomed, she couldn't handle the truth and verged on suicide if she was directly rejected. She was willing to put Kyousuke through that but wasn't willing to go through it herself for Kyousuke's sake. Even after she is clearly rejected she continues in her delusions for her own selfishness isntead of thinking of her friends.
In my completely honest opinion, she's a bigger bitch than Manami.
>fucked during Christmas
Is that in reference to that goddamn DentalHygieneAnon story? I was hoping we were past that.
>N-NO! I-I still enjoyed it so it's good!
Not a love story, just fap material. Incomplete fap material too, no wonder the delusional otaku have to make so many "conclusion" doujins.
Haha what the fuck, no. There's a scene in the Oreimo LNs where it's heavily implied that they might have had sex.
It's in the FAQs in the pastebin.
>tfw fushimi is an /a/non
You might be right.
Hey! Mr. Fushimi! Could we get endings and epilogues for all the girls so /a/ can stop being so mean? Thank you!
>It's fap material
>It doesn't work as fap material
You need to make up your mind.
He wouldn't be going to 4chan though, he'd being going to Futaba or 2channel.
Also, a ton of characters in Oreimo are 2channers. So I'm sure he visits there at least.
She's a bigger bitch than Kuroneko fans like to admit but far from Manami. I don't think she knew how much Kirino loved Kyousuke and ended up hurting her because of that. I rather her being a bitch than just get her to quit like Minori.
We have them in the form of the VN for all of them except Manami and maybe Kuroneko.
>One of the writefag anons on 2ch is actually Fushimi
>2ch artist is Fushimi
I'm confident that piece of shit was a Kirinofag that visited those thread. The hack writer used inspiration from there and you can tell easily.
>Author of Oreimo is a Kirinofag
>2ch artist is Fushimi
This would be amazing. It would also speak a lot about what the series would have been like if not for his work being so heavily censored, which we already know would have been more explicit.
>Hey you faggots. Who you want win?!
>>KIRINO MUH INCEST BONER
>Ah, you faggots sick. Why fuck you want that? Story about fixing her problem not exploit.
>>GIVE US INCEST
>Fine, but no more than kiss, I bullshit only so much. And you give me money!
I doubt that's the case, but it's kind of strange that he's such a great artist yet doesn't have a Pixiv or a name.
I thought he was a Kuronekofag at first and then an Ayasefag. He disappointed everyone by being a Kirinofag. That is all he's good for.
>I thought he was a Kuronekofag at first and then an Ayasefag.
Maybe you're just retarded.
Nah I don't think they fucked, it was just an awkward moment.
Has there been times where the narrator lied? I don't think Oreimo does narrative tricks like that.
nawww i'm playing they totally fucked
And then Oreimo fans press the 'APPROVED' stamp on Fushimi's passport. They get a citation, but also an achievement.
Jesus fucking christ how can someone be this retarded? I don't care if you're an ayasefag, or a rurifag, or kirinofag, but this is hilarious. You should seek medical help for having such debilitating stupidity.
Yeah, I was about to say...
>Has there been times where the narrator lied
More than can be counted. Kyousuke is the most unreliable narrator of all time.
>He's actually a Manamifag, but wrote himself into a corner that he couldn't get out of
But if it were Kuroneko, it totally wouldn't have been pandering.
How did you not see it? I mean seriously You can't be this retarded.
I have a thing for the glorious neko but that doesn't matter cause the writer is shit and everyone that watched the anime knows this.
Why otherfags like to say made up bullshit so much? if he wanted money he could have keep making volumes about the other girls and then a harem end or a Kuroneko end since she is the most populas character in the series.
please stop being a retard.
Naw I wouldn't know I dropped it after 3 eps, I just saw a joke op. Back to the front page.
Hahahahaha, oh wow.
>The ending had been planned for a long time, and become more concrete around the time that the author was working on the bonus features (the animated commentaries) for the first season of the anime.
Your post is ridiculous enough to not warrant a serious response, but I thought I'd post this anyways.
>Your post is ridiculous enough to not warrant a serious response
And yet, HERE WE ARE!
Jesus, that's a reference two people will get. And neither of them are on 4chan.
Essentially, rewatch the animated commentaries, they're even more glorious in retrospect!
And I wanted to say, even though Kirino's more open now, I bet the irony of her changing Kyousuke's personality again is at least partly lost on her.
In the first commentary, Kyousuke says he's from the future, from Season 2 Episode 20. There are only 16 episodes in S2 however. I think this is a fair hint that Fushimi planned to adapt the entirety of Volumes 6-12 with 16 episodes plus OVAs but the anime staff comprised entirely of untalented hacks cut it down to 12 + OVAs. This must be why so much was cut and Season 2 was so shit, because they wouldn't let us go on Fushimi's wild ride.
If you read the light novels it's pretty obvious that he starts building towards something post volume five.
Future Kyousuke was great. It gave us that moment where the S1 Kirino spat juice out when he told her she had a nice ass.
I also liked innocent Ayase and her slightly older (more dangerous) self.
More like post volume 3. The background and hints were present from the start but I don't think he planned sending the series into arcs until after that. I think he admits this in another interview.
Incidentally, has anyone downloaded and watched all of the S2 SD commentaries?
And where's my OST?
That weird little commentary-thing really opened my eyes to something --
Incest is weird
>"You think that I didn't notice? When I was lying down on the sofa, you looked at my body with ero eyes. Like my shoulder"
>Kirino didn't seem like she was going to let it go, she slowly drew her face closer, she stared at me in a questioning-like glance.
>"So? Speak it out!"
>"…………I looked at your shoulder, the part wasn't covered by your clothes with pervert eyes? Fufufu…….sorry Kirino, that's a big misunderstanding."
>I calmly answered in a deep voice:
>"What I looked at …was your ass."
>Kirino threw her bag at me full force. But that's useless.
>"Why are you stopping it? Accept your punishment!"
>"Refuse. Kukuku….if you want to punish me, you need Ayase-like attack power."
>"Hmph…recently you sexually harass your little sister too much!"
>"Because we are siblings, it's fine if I look at your ass, right?"
>"No it's not!"
>"I don't mind if you see my ass."
>"I do! Gehaa gehaa……Aaa mou……my throat hurts."
>See, that's because you screamed like an idiot.
I love the moments like these. She calms down right afterwards too, people that say Kirino hasn't changed her attitude since Volume 1 are crazy.
Thinking about it a bit more...I think it makes sense.
You can't exactly build up romance when the characters treat each other like shit, hate each other, know nothing about the other and generally feel sick by thinking of the other as a possible partner. It's only after clearing some or all of that territory, that he can start building an actual, closer bond between them. That's where you get the sense of it building up towards something. There was very little before that except maybe attraction.
Yup, I noticed that, though I would argue since Volume 2 or 3, the first Christmas Eve date at the latest. I think that's because he didn't expect the series to take off and get popular, or at least his publisher didn't which is why Volume 1 was designed to be fairly self contained and conclusive.
Kirino laughs at the suffering of those poor girls.
She will make sure that they will never have joy in their lives.
Kirino is mean.
She's still friends with two of them.
Pretty sure that severs ties with Manami though.
And then Manami becomes the incest with her sibling.
And it all comes full circle.
Five years down the line, they reencounter each other at IncestCon.
>Kirino is mean.
As much as I hate to admit it this is true to some degree. It's only for good reasons though, she isn't mean to Kuroneko, or Ayase, or anyone at her school, it's really just sometimes to Kyousuke and always to Manami, both of which she has reason to be mean to. Doesn't make it right, but it's not a character trait of hers, she doesn't hate or bully indiscriminately like a mean person would.
Maybe Kuroneko, but I doubt Ayase. I bet she still wants to be friends with her, but...
Look at it this way. Ayase dropped Kirino like a bad habit the moment she even caught a whiff of otaku on her. She didn't even give her time to explain herself, or tried to make up on her own initiative. That was all Kyousuke, and even then she wasn't able to make up without lying to herself and using Kyousuke as a scapegoat. Sure she is more tolerant of otakus now, but if she was so quick to drop their friendship before, why wouldn't Ayase do the same thing now that Kirino has stolen her beloved onii-san away from her? She was pretty bitter about the break up.
Judging by what happened in the drama CD. I think Ayase is still friends with them. It seems like she knew it was coming.
IncestCon is a front by the government to trap all the incestuous people.
They are all trapped in the building, and cannot escape.
Old wounds are reopened, friendships are formed, and nobody will ever be the same, even if they do ever get out.
More characterization for Manami.
Oreimo part two.
Ayase's character developed too, and she pretty much told Kirino to confess in volume 12's prologue.
Ayase actually accepted her and was tsundere. Stuff that appears to separate them only brings them closer together. Ayase also knows exactly how Kirino feels, so there's no reason to blame her for it.
There's no maybe about Kuroneko. She was hanging out with Kirino and Kyousuke after they started dating.
>told Kirino to confess in volume 12's prologue
Did you not catch the fact that they were only trying to pressure her into that so that they could get her out of the way and claim Kyousuke as their own? They are supposed to be Kirino's friends, but neither of them had any consideration for Kirino nor Kyousuke's feelings. They were only motivated by winning.
Kuroneko doesn't totally hate them, but it's also said that she is still angry about it. She'll see them in meetings, but whether or not they stay BFFs is not certain. They have making up to do either way.
Manami is not a shit. She's alright.
If /a/ likes yandere, why don't they like Manami?
I think you have a pretty negative outlook on the characters and it's messing with your perception. The whole point is that Kuroneko and Ayase love Kirino and Kyousuke and don't want to lose one for the other.
They're not plotting against her or anything of that sort. If they're sore towards Kyousuke for rejecting them that wouldn't keep them from being happy that Kirino is happy.
Kirino told Ayase personally, and if Ayase were unhappy about it you can bet that Kirino wouldn't have let the friendship end. The way that it's skimmed over can only mean that it wasn't that big of a deal, because if it were then Kirino wouldn't be so quick to lose a friend.
Well, you might be right, I am being kind of cynical. They probably don't have as ill intentions as I thought, at least towards Kirino. I still think they are being selfish with regards to Kyousuke though, it's undeniable that they treat him like a trophy in Volume 10, when they are competing for who deserves to be his maid. Kirino is the only one out of them who actually wants him to be happy and supports him.
Oh and I should add I still think Kuroneko is a bitch, or at least was. No matter how you look at it, her asking out Kyousuke with knowledge that it hurts Kirino and then breaking his heart so that she could make him choose between them, that is manipulative. I can understand how she thinks it's necessary to a point, but it was still excessive, especially like how she tried to get Kirino's help on when to get physical with him, when they should kiss, etc. That was just unnecessary and mean, and there was no reason for it. Sure she underestimated Kirino's love, but I would commend her if not for the way and reason she broke up with him.
You forgot to post the next part.
I don't like her, but she's definitely over hated.
Yeah, beyond volume 8, Kirino's really the only one who's unselfish about the issue and it's likely because she thinks Kyousuke's not interested. She planned to void the promise and leave to Europe because she feared she was holding Kyousuke back, after all.
There's little wrong with the other girls pursuing Kyousuke come the last few volumes, though. They aren't entirely sure of the severity of Kirino's feelings and Kirino's certainly sending them mixed signals. It's fine that they don't simply roll over and die for her sake, and I thought the conversation in the prologue was considerate in that sense. They're essentially telling her to be honest before it's too late, but it's not at all malicious.
They're all a little bit manipulative in Oreimo.
It's not worth hating the characters over mistakes they made in their immaturity because those flaws are what make the characters interesting, and with the exception of Manami, they all learned from their mistakes.
I like to think their manipulativeness is one of the more realistic elements of the series.
Huh. I kinda like that term. May I start using that?
>it's not at all malicious.
I guess we agree to disagree. Though I think they weren't entirely bad intentioned, I think they should have been more sincere and considerate with Kirino and Kyousuke. Though your perspective is as valid as mine.
I agree. I don't hate any of them, all of the characters in the series are flawed and make mistakes, but I still like all of them, and the girls are all very cute.
However I just want to make a quote. From my interpretation of the inflections of what Kuroneko and Ayase are saying, there is some degree of malicious intent.
(This is from Ayase's perspective btw, just a reminder)
"…Also, don't you hate him Ayase? That was why I asked you to take care of him… Did you lie to me?"
"I didn't lie. I hate him. I've always hated him. I thought so. But… after many talks… after the time he helped us make up… I didn't know how to thank him. He has always helped us; he did everything he could for us…"
"I don't know when I started to like him. I don't know how to put it into words. That's why —"
"Even if we break up because of this, you will confess?"
"No. It's not like that."
"So why —"
I interrupted her and shouted from the top of my lungs.
"I love Kirino as much as I love onii-san!"
"I will use my own method, which is different from onee-san's, to restore the relationship between Kirino and onii-san! I confessed to onii-san so that he and I could stay together… We could stay together Kirino! Just like I'd stay with you Kirino! I will not give up! Do you have any problem with that!"
That was — the same thing I said to Kirino when we made up.
From her hair style to her work. I have always followed my friend's back.
But Kirino's reaction was outside of my expectations.
"…Just now, I said 'do whatever you want'… Can you… please wait until our graduation."
She looked down and said painfully.
"…What will happen after graduation?"
Kuroneko didn't hide her anxiety. Kirino looked at Kuroneko and said:
"I plan to take care of many things before graduation. Even I know that the current situation is not good. So — please wait a few more months."
"It isn't good. What about you?"
Kuroneko coldly asked.
"I will make myself clear too — before you graduate, I will confess to him again."
Kirino grit her teeth.
"— Why do you say that!? You, Ayase too…! Even if you confess, it is useless! Because he is a hopeless siscon!"
"I know that much. Both of us will confess exactly because of that —!"
Kuroneko said and nodded.
"Listen to Kuroneko — Kirino, why do you have to lie to yourself? You still continue lying to yourself now. You shouldn't do that. Don't tell me I was wrong."
"We aren't softhearted like Tamura-senpai, 'Just because this is his little sister, I will give her special treatment.'
Though Ayase tells Kirino to stop lying to herself, and to give up on her love. She is like Manami in this instance. However, Ayase is lying to herself still. She clearly says she hates Kyousuke, but also loves him (which isn't true IMO). Though her feelings may be complex, she won't admit she has a shallow crush on a guy just because he did some things for her and was kind. We see from her behavior that she doesn't even treat him right.
I actually agree with him in that Kuroneko is one of the worst offenders. Yeah, all of them do something to manipulate in varying degrees but Kuroneko and Manami are the ones who just go above and beyond and end up hurting others a whole fucking lot while knowing that they are.
I'm reminded of the conversation we had a few threads ago. Dunno if this was one of your posts but while it is overly harsh it kind of hits the nail on the head, at least to me.
But like I said, they are all still nice girls, and they have reasons for their actions, it is not all pure manipulation, even with Manami. I don't hate any of them, because of these things they feel like very real and very relatable characters.
Also, since their actions are always fairly ambiguous, or rather we sometimes never know for sure what the motivations of side characters are, this is just my opinion. So if you think they were being as nice as they could be, that way of thinking is just as valid as me being a cynical asshole in my theories.
>Kuroneko is one of the worst offenders.
She probably is, but it's not really worth hating her over. She had mostly good intentions and realized that she fucked up when Kirino scolded her in volume 9, and when all is said and done she's supportive of Kirino and Kyousuke. She's clean in my books at least.
Kuroneko and Manami are actually very similar in terms of their processes, but the big difference is their intention. They both emotionally fuck with Kyousuke to accomplish what they think is best, and they're both wrong to do so. They also both believed Kyousuke to be entirely malleable and planned around the assumption that he wouldn't stand up for himself and ignore the influences to do what he wanted to. This autonomy also happens to be what Kirino wished would return since the start, and was probably the biggest development in the series, when he decided to reconcile with Sakurai in volume 11.
Yeah, Ayase and Kuroneko tried to pull a bit of a Manami by making Kirino get over her love by getting rejected and then take over from there thinking that they would win.
Also, think of it from Kirino's point of view. They both told her to confess and rejected her plea to wait until she leaves before they confess. In other words, they want Kirino to watch them fuck Kyousuke before she leaves and be ok with it.
Shit, forgot image.
What commentary is this from?
>anon tries to prove that Kirino fans don't inherently hate fans of other characters
>it works for a bit
>thread is now thread is being mean again
Still better than usual, I admit. After the rants, people are spoilering disclaimers that the other girls are inferior, but in a more diplomatic way.
Again, it's not so cynical.
They want their best friend to be okay with them dating her brother, because they love Kirino and Kyousuke. They didn't want her to run away from her feelings because they care about her and knew she would suffer.
It was an appeal to Kirino's stubbornness, not an attack.
Read the posts. We, or at least I, don't hate any of the characters. We're just discussing their faults.
Is not that we hate them but more like we have to agree that they all were cunts at some point.
the last one of the S1 commentaries
>actually spending time to read such drivel
This is a reminder that Ruri Gokou is the the BEST in my little SisTEr can't Be this cute, and a miracle of the universe because she is a genius, loyal, unselfish, witty, brutally honest, funny, talented, a great sister and a great friend.
I was smart enough to use that time reading Haruhi.
>She probably is, but it's not really worth hating her over. She had mostly good intentions and realized that she fucked up when Kirino scolded her in volume 9, and when all is said and done she's supportive of Kirino and Kyousuke. She's clean in my books at least.
Good intentions only get you so far and in this case it carried her to the end of volume 8. Everything about her is bad, and even some of the shit she did before was overkill. The thing about Kuroneko is that she's basically supposed to be a "Good" Manami but she losses her way due to selfishness in her development and only regains it after Kyousuke crushes her.
What they did was the same thing Kuroneko pulled in volume 7 but this time without the excuse of not knowing that she loves him and forcing her to act. It was both an appeal and an attack that benefits them. In terms of that, it's basically what Manami tried.
But the fact of the matter is, regardless of who confessed first, Kirino wasn't going to be okay with it. At least Kuroneko, maybe Ayase but it's not certain, knew about their agreement. For neither of the siblings to date anyone because neither of them are okay with it. They tried to break that promise between Kirino and Kyousuke. If they truly wanted to make Kirino happy, they should have done WHAT SHE WANTED AND PLEADED WITH THEM TO DO, which is wait until graduation. Instead they are saying "No, you don't know what you want, you don't know what's best for your feelings. We do, which is why we are going against what you are asking us to do." This is an even bigger kick to the crotch for Kirino since they don't know the depth of her love for Kyousuke but are insisting they know what she wants. In the end, their motivations are selfish.
And I'll go ahead and take another step. You might say "But they didn't know how much she loves him, they couldn't have known, which is why they acted that way."
Have you ever heard the phrase "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"? That works for other situations too. It's essentially saying "You didn't know, but you should have known." If they truly cared about her feelings, they would have tried to understand what she wants, and how much this means to her, instead of acting rashly. Even worse, they did know about her love, but didn't take the next step and try to understand how she feels.
Anyway, I'm not upset. Love you bro.
>Everything about her AFTER THAT is bad
Fixed. That's extremely negative and actually contradicts the previous statement without it.
Good call. Fucking moot and his 60 second post cooldowns.
Sure, she's comparatively selfish post-volume 8 but she should be. Kirino and Kuroneko trying to be selfless just ended up hurting both of them, and neither Kirino or Kuroneko should ignore their feelings to benefit their friend. I don't think there's anything wrong with Kuroneko working for her own self interests. It's only a problem when she does it by fucking with Kirino or Kyousuke's emotions, and though she does that plenty pre-volume 8, in the latter half where she's 'selfish' she doesn't do anything underhanded like that. A lot of people missed Kuroneko's second wind and complained that it was stupid that she just gave up for Kirino's sake, and they're right. It would've been stupid if she had just given up for Kirino's sake, but she didn't, and despite becoming her best friend's competition in that aspect, she's still a better character because of it.
As for it being basically what Manami tried, the difference is that Manami made her feel disgusted and told her to hide it while Kuroneko and Ayase told her to let it out.
"— Why do you say that!? You, Ayase too…! >Even if you confess, it is useless! Because he is a hopeless siscon!"
>"I know that much. Both of us will confess exactly because of that —!"
Kuroneko said and nodded.
>"Listen to Kuroneko — Kirino, why do you have to lie to yourself? You still continue lying to yourself now. You shouldn't do that. Don't tell me I was wrong."
They're forcing her to take action, which is a lot more respectable than going behind her back like they could have.
Both Kirino and Kuroneko in Kuroneko's outfit would have been beautiful in the show.
Best kiss scene from best Oreimo.
The filename kind of gives it away, faggot.
I think this one's supposed to be Kirno. She doesn't have loli proportions.
but Kurorino was in the show, in the Saori episode
But Kuroneko wasn't at the same time.
Also screw the anime for reducing the party to static pans. And removing Kyousuke jumping in front of a gun for Kirino.
Yeah, but I don't expect you to hover over the spoiler'd filename before checking the image because I am a dummy dumb-dumb.
And I've yet to see fanart that captures just how good she looks in that outfit.
Oh wow, I didn't even realise you could do that.
Thank you anon!
The problem I have with Kuroneko post volume 8 is that she realizes she fucked up and thinks it would be in everyone's best interest if she continues getting in the way or rationalizes it that way somehow. That's pretty much all she does after volume 8 until she gets rejected.
With the amount of knowledge she has on their relationship she should have thought of something else instead of getting in the way of the two individuals she loves that happen to love each other. It only made it more painful for everyone involved.
So yeah, her character doesn't work well with me from volume 3 all the way until volume 12.
As for Manami, I don't think she tried making Kirino feel disgusted in volume 11. Her goal was the same as Kuroneko and Ayase's. To get rid of the promise made by Kirino and Kyousuke.
>And removing Kyousuke jumping in front of a gun for Kirino.
That was amazing. Also the earthquake, Kyousuke basically hugs her for 5 minutes to protect her and holds her hand while running away.
Also the maid party from volume 4 I think it was, that was kind of butchered in the anime. In the novels Kyousuke's reason for leaving is because they physically abused him and knocked him unconscious. It was also much more humorous. However that scene in the anime was still really great, they followed it pretty well.
Hey, wait a minute.
Did I just help someone on an Oreimo thread?
So tsundere, /a/.
Not that Anon, but this whole conflict is what makes it much more emotional when Kyousuke makes his decision to stay with Kirino no matter what. It really would be better for everyone if they decided to go back to being regular siblings. But unfortunately, they can't. That's the theme of the series.
Don't give me that! You were lucky!
I am NOT a tsundere. We've discussed this.
You guys are jerks.
You're a faggot.
In a way, that's what fanservice-centric girls like Ayase, Kuroneko, Kanako and such were used for. To show that Kyousuke had viable, socially acceptable options that he couldn't take because he love his sister instead.
To add a bit more. They were also there to make Kyousuke not seem desperate when choosing Kirino and make it more natural since the girls have aspects of Kirino.
From a much more biased perspective, they all reflected aspects of Kirino that Kyousuke liked, and they were all great girls, but they all had one fatal flaw: They aren't Kirino. Or depending on how you look at it, 'they aren't his sister'.
Truly. He's a hopeless siscon.
Went a bit overboard with giving Ayase aspects of Kirino though, didn't they?
I kid, I love Ayase palette swap/player 2 accusations and all
They don't really support him the way Kirino does, either.
That's definitely true. As much as otherfags want to believe, they just aren't the same.
But Kirino has a hairband-thing like the eroge-girl from Welcome to the NHK.
There. Undeniable evidence.
Idea for a sequel:
A romcom SoL anime.
We could call it Oreimo 2
Eventually I hope. It was reprinted so it's not sold out yet at least. Hopefully someone grabs it soon.
It would have been the greatest love story ever told if the publishing company hadn't been pricks and let the author give the ending s/he wanted to.
I'm not mad at the ending, I'm mad at the author not being able to write the definitive ending s/he wanted to.
I think it still got the ending he wanted it to have, it just had to be much, much more subtle. Even if they do technically 'break up', it's still heavily hinted that they aren't giving up on their love, which Fushimi had to only hint at because his original ending had been the same thing but more explicit.
But yeah, that is cause to be upset, I'm upset about it too. I just think the ending would have been the same, just that it wouldn't be as subtle. You kind of have to take the hints he puts in more seriously than you would otherwise, because in the interviews he pretty much states that he was censored, and the ending is the true "complete kirino end" that he had planned.
Today, at school, some guy pulled out a gun on a student. Nobody got shot, but the student was rather shaken by the event. One of the maintenance workers managed to talk the guy down long enough for the police to arrive. I also lost a men's ring I bought on sale.
Naturally, I blame Oreimo for both of these things.
Oreimo fans, why did you do this to anon?
Janitors save the day again. Such a lucrative career path, not being sarcastic at all.
How do you lose a ring?
Be more careful with your things anon.
It just fell off my finger, which is weird. I actually got it a ring size too small.
And why are you blaming me, when it was Oreimo's fault that it all happened?
Censorship truly is the worst thing ever.
I really don't see how anyone can consider this better than Toradora or Clannad.
All you had to do was read the thread before posting. That's all.
I am not reading 400 posts of people whose first LN was oreimo and have not read the Clannad VN yet post as if their opinion means anything.
>I don't see because I'm covering my eyes
Well at least you're honest.
Why are you even here?
They haven't seen Toradora or Clannad
>come into thread
>refuse to read the thread, insists despite his ignorance that nobody's opinion but your own matters
>still makes assumptions based off of nothing
Times like these make me wish there was a specific option for 'shitposting' in the report window.
But Toradora is best.
Clannad's also quite good. Bit overrated, but still great.
I am not making assumptions in saying OreImo is shit because I have watched the entire anime read all the LN and even read some of the manga as well. It is without a doubt the worst love story I have ever read.
I've read CLANNAD it's good but long. Definitely beats oreimo for music but the primary heroine of oreimo is better. You have to admit CLANNAD is setting the bar pretty high, but yes, I think oreimo is definitely at least comparable.
Toradora is like oreimo but lacks the foreshadowing, and I like the oreimo characters better mostly (just personal preference, Ayase is my waifu etc).
It's not necessarily superior, and not necessarily for everyone, but that doesn't make it bad.
I do not even remotely believe you have read the entire Clannad VN. Because if someone actually held the opinion that OreImo was better I would have to give up all hope I have in humanity.
I do not even remotely believe you have read the entire Oreimo LN. Because if someone actually held the opinion that Clannad was better I would have to give up all hope I have in humanity.
This is easy.
I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out how fucking retarded it is to come into a thread for no other purpose than to say "Everyone's opinion but mine is shit!" and then jump to conclusions based on literally nothing. His opinion gets called out for being ignorant, but he cops out and says "well their opinions must be wrong anyways" because he's afraid of entering a discussion he might 'lose'.
You are making me want a crossover now.
>I had a dream just now, lying in the snow.
>I found out a lot of things. Things about me, things about you. Want me to tell you?
Oh I see, you're not actually reading my posts.
Clannad has better writing. Clannad has better drama. Clannad has no harem bullshit because it is a VN with actual routes. Clannad has better music. Clannad lets you choose the girl you like best.
And this is not even going into a few fatal flaws that OreImo has. The first being the main character who has zero hobbies goals interests or defining traits outside of shouting in public. All of the characters in OreImo also fall into generic archetypes. You have the fujoshi the Chuunibyou the tsundere younger sister the yandere and the genki childhood friend. And my biggest problem with oreimo which you were probably too stupid to notice is that the characters change their core personalities with no actual development over the course of the series. The best example was kuroneko who turned from a ballsy but lonely chuuni into a generic shy girl. How can you possibly be shy if you wear those clothes in public? Then you have the worst of all which was Manami. Holy shit Manami. Manami is without a doubt the worst character to ever be in any story which has ever been written. I could write a hundred pages on how shit Manami was written.
You wrote all that just to prove that you haven't read the LN?
How nice, thanks anon.
She doesn't need to be well-written, she's got glasses.
Glasses are equivalent to three years of creative writing classes
Whether he even finished the anime is kind of in question at this point.
I am not reading your shitty post written by someone who's VN was probably Clannad yet post as if your opinion means anything.
Oh I see. Your girl lost.
Hahahahaha, oh wow, confirmed for not reading the oreimo LNs. Clannad was probably your first VN too wasn't it? Actually, I'm willing to bet it's the only VN you've ever read.
How HOW did Manami turned Kyosuke into a piece of shit
Explain, fucking explain that to me right now
Oreimo threads are amusingly formulaic sometimes.
Now you're assuming things about him!
When will it end?
This never would have happened if this was a Toradora thread!
1. Nobody here is even claiming oreimo is better.
2. The harem elements in oreimo are surprisingly brief, but they have to be there due to linearity. What happened in the linear Clannad anime? Harem elements.
3. If you're recommending the VN that's not a medium everyone on /a/ likes.
4. Some people may just like oreimo over Clannad because of personal reasons you can't understand.
5. Kyousuke is developed, just not as strongly as Tomoya.
6. The romance in Clannad is more one sided. It's all on Tomoya and Nagisa in particular just goes along with him.
7. Kirino > Nagisa. Also the side characters in oreimo are surprisingly strong and interelations between characters are important.
This is a comparison by the way. A list if you will. I still am not arguing that oreimo is better critically, but enjoyment is subjective and I enjoyed it if nothing else.
Well yeah, but the Toradora thread that was made an hour ago is dead already.
>Now you're assuming things about him!
Congratulations, you got the point. Good job.
Thank you. For being you. But I think that unfortunately, your logic and reasonability is wasted on someone like that anon.
Oreimo, is the greatest story ever told, you can cry and rage but nothing will get.
Wel said! Tsukasa Fushimi made a masterpiece. The novel is really great. But /a/ won't admit it.
We're not accepting it because it isn't true, idiot,
Oreimo, is the greatest story ever told, True!!!
Wel said! Tsukasa Fushimi made a masterpiece. The novel is really great. But /a/ won't admit it.
Please anon, you're eembarrassing yourself. Toradora was shit and you know it. How can you compare toradora to Oreimo?
That's because you're a Manamifag/kuronekofag. And you're lame!
Oreimobutt is better than Torabutt or Clannadbutt
Key's art is pretty bad.
Clannad's bloomer fanservice was bad (though that's anime-only).
Plus, Oreimo butt is almost a plot point. It is in the commentaries.
This is a real butt anon! Kirinooooooo
This looks like heaven. I like to think Kyousuke has Kirino's recording on loop.
That's non-canon butt.
This is from Oreimo Happy end PS3 game anon.
I'm a kirinobro. But you have to admit ayase looks fucking hot!
Right, non-canon psp butt and breasts
Ps3 game was shit.
Kawaii, please tell me anon. Is this from the special with sakurao?
We mixed it up this time with a Keyfagspammer in there.
Sadly imouto blogging did not take off in this thread either >>101074939
Are people suffering from imouto fatigue?
Speaking of which, have there been any summaries of the special?
This thread was decent, some highs and lows. Thanks Kirinobros, goodnight.
>Are people suffering from imouto fatigue?
Yeah, but more like Oreimo fatigue. I've spent a ton of time in Oreimo/Kirino threads in the past month, all of which I've typed at least a thousand words in when discussing the LNs.
There have, kind of. Let me find it for you real quick.
Here you go. That's the best we've gotten so far I think.
And with that I'm out of here.
Thanks anon, and farewell for now.
Page 9. Maybe we can reach the bump limit.
I think I'll try Toradora before the next thread.
Not really sure what to expect to be honest, but if Toradora fans are going to jump in these threads it would be nice to know where they're coming from.
A reminder for anyone who can, please buy this...
Just stock up on bait image macros.
So, still no S2 OST?
Was Kanako right?
What episode was this? I can't remember it. Might just be that I haven't seen the series in a long time in general though.
Obviously Kirino and Kyousuke actually are a real couple.
Well, that's it for me.
Farewell for now Kirino fans, oreimo fans, othergirl fans, Torodora fans, Clannad fans, shitposters, trolls, /a/ and anyone I've missed.
good night Kirinobros