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Sanji will redeem himself this arc guys, I know it.
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>you will never be bros with Franky
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>>101056475
We all know Sanji will fight a big one and win because of plot. We just pretend to don't know.
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By leaving the crew? Yeah I hope.
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Thread needs more Crocodiles
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What if Sanji actually got a proper wanted poster picture?
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>>101056613
>Franky will never be your big bro
;_;
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>>101056653
His next wanted poster will be the back of his head.
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>>101056475
>Sanji will redeem himself this arc
Do people actually believe he is going to damage Big Moms ship? He's still injured from his loss with Doffy as well.
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>>101056475
>>101056625
it's only a matter of time until he elopes with x woman
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Ok sanjifags how about this. We'll keep franky out of his rightful position in the monster trio, as you so desperately desire, but instead of putting sanji back you have to instead pick a different crew member to take the spot. Choose wisely and reason it out bitches.

I choose merry
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>>101056716
He was still able to run even after fighting Vergo, so I think he'll be fine.
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>>101056775
>Merry isn't dead after all
Fucking Oda
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>>101056775
>2k11 + 3
>still liking sanji

am i missing something here?
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>>101056775
>Choose wisely and reason it out bitches
>doesn't reason his own choice

If it's not Franky, I think the only one in position to do it is Brook. I would personally prefer Robin, because she originally was monster trio tier, but that's even impossible to imagine.
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>>101056716
>yfw the next time we see them Sanji, Nami, Chopper, CC and Momo are all unconscious and tied up in big moms ship
>They thought Brooke was dead so they left him, he ends up saving Sanji
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>>101056775
Chopper after learning Life Returns and condensing Monster Point down into a more powerful humanoid form
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>>101056775
Are you just talking about who people would want or who is actually strong enough to do it? Because Franky, Brooke and Kinemon are the only ones in the conversation of being able to be stronger than Sanji right now. Maybe Jinbe if he joins.
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>>101056775

Chopper was pretty strong, and had the potential to be stronger. Now that he controls MP, I could believe either him or Brook getting into the Monster Number Group. It would be nice, because they're actual monsters.
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>>101056854
I still never got why they burned the Merry instead of just retiring it in Water 7 and having Iceburg watch it for them.
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>>101057078
Chopper is in the weakling trio, even with monster point.
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>>101056775

Chopper, with a superior version of everyone of his forms. Instantly changing between fast and strong forms should make for an excellent combat style. Remove his control of Monster Point if you want.
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>>101057107
oda is a viking fanboy and wanted to give merry a viking funeral?
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>>101056814
That's another thing, how long has it been since they left Punk Hazard? Is Sanji's bone still bust, normally it should take more than a week to heal up right?
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>>101057166
thats where the crew says he is, chopper is obviously a lot stronger than some of the crew but muh swordsman keeps people thinking Brooke is better than chopper
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>>101057107
It couldn't sail anymore. As soon as they saw Iceburg at sea, the ship broke down and was unable to continue the journey.

They probably could have tugged the ship back or bring the head with them, but letting Merry go was the point.
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>>101057166

If he hadn't been demoted to a pet, he could be stronger.
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>>101057234
Vicky the Viking is the reason we even have One Piece right now.
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>>101057107

It wouldn't make it. Look up viking funeral.
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>>101057244
Chopper in monster point is stronger than some of the crew members, but overall Chopper isn't. Monster point has a time limit and Chopper is useless afterwards, so he constantly has to save it. The peak of monster point isn't strong enough to make up for his other weaknesses.
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>>101057107
I'm pretty sure Merry couldn't move anymore and they were out in the middle of the ocean
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>>101057244

Nah, Brook is better than Chopper. He's also most clever, so, even if the power difference isn't too big, Brook is best in combat.
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>>101057243
this is One Piece, people recover from death in two minutes, like the time he fought Bentham in Alabasta, broke some ribs and just walked it off
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>>101057350
>implying chopper is only good for monster point

forgetting about how he can transform to any form now? makes him smarter and strong enough to overcome enemies
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>>101057325
yeah i think i read that in the volume 2 of sbs

also does anyone know if there's a torrent or a hub with all of the SBS?
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>>101057360

They tucked Merry back to Water 7's shore. A ship that can't sail is basically dead, by burning him they released its' spirit. Also Oda wanted a fucking viking funeral.
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>>101057414
His other forms aren't stronger than Brooke/Franky/Sanji though. He needs monster point to compete with them.
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>>101057362
>most clever
>implying chopper doesnt have brain point and isnt an expert on the human anatomy
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>>101057450
never said stronger than the other two. this is only about Brookes scrub ass. theres a huge gap between franky and chopper then brroke and nami
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http://shipoffools.wikia.com/wiki/One_Piece:_Ship_of_fools_Wiki

Click random until you get a random devil fruit power.
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>>101057485

Yeah, that's why he used Brain Point against Jora to defeat her and save them all.
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>>101057570
Why do you do this every thread
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>>101057450

Monster point is shit. He should rely more on his extra forms. He's one of the best Zoan in One Piece, I don't want him reduced to a one minute giant and nothing else. Besides, giants are meaningless in One Piece. I think Oda gave him MP just to have him fight San Juan Wolf.
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>Cover Story
>Bloodied Monet puts somewhat scorched Vergo back together
>Both read about Dofla getting wrekt in the newspaper
>Realize he was mind-fucking them into obedient kamikaze soldiers with CoC or some DF ability bullshit
>Monet rebuilds an Orphanage destroyed by pirates out of snow and becomes a schoolteacher there along with Admin Vergo

I just want them to be happy.
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>>101057570
Stop it.
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>>101057409
Not really, that's all up to Oda, Zoro's wound made him not able to fight at all against Arlong, and just barely able to slice hachi.
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>>101057826

Zoro had a long string of wounds and never fully healed. Besides, it was a wound made by Mihawk, on East Blue Zoro.
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>>101057699
I doubt that, I think the one fighting SJW will be Franky with a Mecha like "General Franky", which the Sunny is gonna be part of.
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>>101057409
>>101057826

Sanji's leg didn't really break, though. I think the x-ray panel was just a dramatization of him seeing his leg broken if he continued (think Luffy seeing his arms being cut off). Sanji's primary haki IS CoO.

Actually... Why have I never thought about that? His leg never broke because he stopped the fight before it could.
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There's usually break every three chapters. Is this second or third chapter before it goes on break? Can't remember.
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>>101057757
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>>101057757
>I'm part of Oda's treasure

Now I feel like I want to live
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>>101057960
do it anon
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>>101057921
It definitely cracked.
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>>101057550
There hasn't been a single thing to point towards Chopper being stronger than Brooke, and hes sure as hell not close enough to be grouped with Franky.
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>>101057910

I always though Franky's rival was going to be Jesus, mostly because their looked similar to me. Of course, it was before the time skip, now they're different.

Besides, Jesus can't even spit fire yet.
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>>101058069
i dont think you understood the part "huge gap between Franky and Chopper"
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>>101057921
He cracked the bone.
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>>101056711
His next wanted poster will be Okama mode
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>>101058114
"Huge gap between Franky and Chopper then Brooke and Nami"
IE: Franky+Chopper HUGE GAP Brooke and Nami
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>>101058060
>>101058143

If didn't get a chance to see Luffy's arms after that amputation panel, we might have thought the same thing about that.

Nigga ran that shit off after the fight like it was nothing. Not one sign of pain. I don't think it's that outrageous to believe he had some foresight and lucked out (in the least)
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>>101058231

The powerlevel gap between Nami and Brook is fucking big. Anon implied that there's even a bigger difference between Franky and Chopper.

Mathematically:

(Franky - Chopper) > (Brook - Nami)
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>>101057900
A wound he clearly made so it wouldn't be fatal, which Zoro had all the way from Baratie to Nami's village being all stitched to "recover". What I'm saying is not that he should've recovered, but that just because everyone on OP appears to always recover quickly from a wound it doesn't mean that they always will. Luffy for example had his body pierced by Crocodile and came back the following day to hunt him down, no matter how big and deep the wound Mihawk gave Zoro, it was a clean hit not made to be fatal, while the wound that Crocodile gave Luffy was made to be fatal and pierced through his body, yet he recovered completely from it without any drawbacks (or so it would look like, since later he won against Crocodile). The only point of the Alabast arc that Luffy appeared to have any drawback from his wound was when he fell asleep near the poneglyph where the fight took place, and he slept for like 10 minutes and fought at full power then.

What I'm getting at is that there is no logic behind wounds for Oda, they are only used as drawbacks when it is convenient, and Sanji's broken bone might or might not be used as a explanation for another fodder fight if it's how the author wants to write it.
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>>101058329
Right, and I'm saying Chopper doesn't belong anywhere near Franky because there is a huge gap of power with multiple other Strawhats inbetween them.
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>>101057921

>Sanji's leg didn't really break, though. I think the x-ray panel was just a dramatization of him seeing his leg broken if he continued (think Luffy seeing his arms being cut off).
>Actually... Why have I never thought about that? His leg never broke because he stopped the fight before it could.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>101058329
Nah man. Especially if we include monster point.
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>>101058358
>which Zoro had all the way from Baratie to Nami's village being all stitched to "recover"
You do realize that was all in one day and they went straight from baratie to there, right?
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>>101058401

And then why are you arguing you giant retard? Who said anything about Chopper being close enough to be grouped with Franky?
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>>101058474
If that's how you want to look at it, then sure. It is not said how much time it took for the crew to reach the village, and I don't remember anything saying how much time took Luffy to recover to fight against Crocodile either.
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>>101058436

Monster point is shit. Giants are shit.
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>>101057921
You can't be serious. This has got to be someone pretending to be a Sanjifag to make them look stupid, right?
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>>101058541
Because I'm saying its not Franky>>>>>Chopper>>>Brooke>>>>>>>>Nami. Brooke would be over Chopper and so would Robin.
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>>101058626
Have we ever seen a good giant
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>>101058424

>Praise the heavens
>Sani didn't job after all
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>>101058574

well you're right about Luffy's recovery against Crocodile being incredibly fast.
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>>101058574
Well they left directly from the baratie and they are both in East Blue. Plus Usopp and them left right after Nami did and were only there a few hours max before Luffy and them showed up.
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>>101058675
>Dorry
>Broggy
>Those two guys at Enies Lobby
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>>101058675
Oz
Saul
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>>101058668

No one said that!!!! you can compare two characters without implying there's nothing else between them! If I said, "the gap between Luffy and Chopper is bigger than the gap between Zoro and Nami" I wouldn't mean Chopper is over Zoro, but how else can you compare Chopper to Zoro?

Franky>>>>Brook>>>>>>>>Chopper>>>>>>>>Nami
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>>101058710
>>101058765
The "time passed" is something that is not decided because say if at a point in the story Oda wants to send someone to a certain Island in X days, if traveling to that island wouldn't be possible in that amount of time, he couldn't explain how that person did it, so saying it took them little time to go from Baratie to the village is just looking positively at it, while it might have taken way more time than, on my example, the time that Luffy took to fight against crocodile again.
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>>101058675

Dorry and Broggy were powerful, but the giants at Enies Lobby were easily defeated. The giants at Marineford were mostly fodder. There isn't any relevant character among pirates or marines right now that is a giant, unless Big Mom or Kaidoh turns out to be a giant.
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>>101058815
>Dorry and Broggy rekt by literal fodder
>Enies lobbies guy were pretty meh

>>101058825
I'll give you those

But I mean a giant who can fight on par with Admirals, or at least not look like they cruise through on their strength and then just shit around
In a way they're kinda like fishman in that they could be the strongest races in One Piece, but they just spend all day wiping their asses
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>>101058973
>Who is Oars Jr
>Who are the Jaguar D. Family
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>>101058866
Thats a really stupidly confusing way to phrase your point and you should consider thinking of a way to phrase it better.
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>>101058675
Dorry
Brogy
Oz
Sanjuan Wolf
Saulo
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>>101058866

>Ussop doesn't even register on the scale

Being Ussop is suffering.
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>>101058973
There are several giant vice admirals, as well as one on blackbeards crew. Given the fact that we've barely seen any of the other yonkou/new world crews it isn't very fair to say that. Plus obviously the strongest giants will be on Elbaf.
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>>101059005
I can't think of any besides Saul, but I remember him mentioning that the Giant of Elbaf are barbarians which kind of implies that there are more sophisticated giants out there who don't rely solely on brute force.
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>>101059080
Usopp is somewhere above Nami
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>>101059005
Giants, Fishmen and Logia all commonly suffer from trying to coast on their natural gifts when they should realize that it opens them up for more potential if they actually worked at it.
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So what's gonna happen to Bellamy? Joins Bart's crew? Holds everyone off as the Straw Hats escape (like Bonchan)? Does the finishing blow on Doffy?
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>>101059245

I have no fucking clue. Maybe join Bart's crew. He's not going to raise a fist to Doffy, though. I really have no idea. Probably depends on his backstory. Can't wait for that flashback.
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>>101059245
A poor man's bonchan it is
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Daily reminder
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>>101059174
Usopp is canonically the weakest and always will be
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>>101059245
OFFICIAL BELLAMY ENDINGS POWER RANKING

1. Takes over Doffys spot as leader of the family
2. Holds people off Bonchan style
3. Sets off with fresh determination to be the right kind of pirate and makes his own crew
4. Sacrifices himself during the fight against Doffy but lives anyway


99999. Join Bart's crew (Bart needs to join the strawhats)

99999999999999999. Stays with Doffy after he is defeated

9999999999999999999999999999999999999999. Killed by Luffy while defending Doffy.
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>>101058240

Looking it up it's definitely cracked.
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>>101059374
>wether or not
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>>101059455
We're talking about what actually happens, not the lies that Oda says in the SBS. Next you'll be telling him Sanji and Zoro are actually equal in strength.
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>>101059245
>Holds everyone off as the Straw Hats escape (like Bonchan)?

That's Barts job

>Barriers cracking under Fuji's gravity
>Bart at least assures himself that sempai escaped
>Notices something fluttering by his feet
>Signed autograph from the crew
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>>101059455
That's just not true anon.
Usopp would destroy Nami and probably Brook in a fight now.
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>>101059328
Curious to see what he did on Skypeia
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>>101059592

lel i just imagined him doing that with his barrier like whitebeard was doing when he split his army away from the navy and told them to go back to the NW...
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>>101059674
He visited the rubber band museum and decided to model his life after the hero Usopp.
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>>101059487
He may join the Revolutionaries too.
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>>101059491
Shit.
I have to hand it to Oda for keeping a bit aways from shounen cliches, Sanji really got fucking rekd by a fucking no-name.
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>>101059491

Sound effects, the arm shown cut, Luffy's reaction face...

It's almost exactly the same. It could be CoO, just admit it.

>Sanji redeemed.
>Superior CoO saved the day.
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>>101059734
Vice admiral whos also the right hand man of a shichibukai arc boss isn't a no-name.
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>>101059674

Man i love how oda turned a piece of dog shit into a likeable character. Bellamy is fucking bro tier. Nigga just following his dreams...of following someone elses dream. Fantastic character development with just a few frames.
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>>101059793
Now this is just blatant shit posting, knock it off. They are very clearly different, just admit that Sanji had his bone cracked.
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>>101059838
I can't remember when any Shichibukai had really strong subordinates other than Crocodile, and all the Strawhat vs. BW fights were Strawhat victories IIRC.
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>>101059793

No because sanji felt it afterwards in a panel that clearly wasn't future-sight. He got rekt. And EVEN if your silly reality was true it would mean that he foresaw that he was about to get rekt - and thus was rekt the same.
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>>101059902

I don't think so. I'm looking at them side-by-side, and I see no difference other than one is an arm and the other is a leg. Luffy deflected his bazooka to avoid being amputated, and Sanji deflected the kick because he anticipated the fracture.

I mean, it could go either way, but don't act like there aren't major parallels.
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>>101059934
That doesn't really mean anything. We've only really seen 3 shichibukai crews in action if you count doffy, and the first 2 had strong members. Croc had Daz bones and Bonchan, Moria had Oz and his whole zombie army.
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>>101059967

Post the panel. I don't remember him acknowledging the injury afterwords.
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If Law got his title revoked, that means there's a slot open along with the unknown shichibukai
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>>101060014
Luffy vs Mihawk
>Goes to throw an attack
>Feels like his arms would get cut off
>Surprised look on his face
>Never throws the attack

Sanji vs Vergo
>Sanji and vergo hit each other
>Sound effect and panel showing Sanji's leg being cracked
>Panel of Sanji looks pained, not surprised
>Sanji backs off

If you actually think they are the same you need to take your Sanji-tinted glasses off.
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>>101060084
You mean besides the panel right showing him putting pressure on the leg right afterwards and feeling pain?
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>>101060051
Yeah I guess you're right. I wasn't counting Oz as a subordinate.
But still, is there any indication of Vergo's strength relative to Diamante, Gladius, or the other key Dressrosa players?
After all, Vergo is only defined as Doffy's top marine subordinate.
He might be nowhere near the main members of the Donquixote pirates.
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>>101060121
Theres going to be at least 1 opening, most likely 2 by the end of this arc. Theres no way both Law and Doffy can keep being shichibukai after this, and its likely that neither of them would.
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>>101060211

If I've got sunglasses on, you must be blind. I've got the scenes up side-by-side. Again, we can't exactly ask Oda on this, but if Sanji doesn't acknowledge the injury (I remember him saying that if he had continued, his leg WOULD have been broken--pretty much reaffirming this theory), then it's possible. CoO is Sanji's forte. If Luffy can do it, so can he.
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Who do you dislike more, Shirahoshi or Rebecca?
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>>101060338
Law already lost his title, Fuji confirmed it
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>>101060302
>But still, is there any indication of Vergo's strength relative to Diamante, Gladius, or the other key Dressrosa players?
Isn't he referred to as doffy's right hand man a couple of times? Its possible he isn't the strongest but at worst I would see him as being even with the heads of the family.
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>>101060121
There's ALWAYS an open slot with those fuckers.
That's why Fujitora and probably Kizaru want them abolished.
You can't trust them worth shit.
The best you can say is Mihawk is a loner who won't bother anyone and Kuma is mind controlled. Everyone is is a backstabbing plotter.
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>>101060357
Shirahoshi
At least Rebecca fights for herself now and isn't as much of a crybaby as Shirahoshi
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>>101060051

You forgot the kuja. The entire fucking island, let alone the crew, are fucking haki gods. Doubt any of them would not job aside from boa though. But she is strong as hell.
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>>101060349
Not only did it not happen the same as Luffy vs Mihawk, but Sanji winces in pain a few panels later because of the leg. I want to believe you're being genuine but at this point theres no way you aren't being this dense on purpose.
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>>101060349
Blatant shitposting.
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>>101059592
>signed autograph
like, an autographed autograph?
I'm seriously having trouble understanding what you meant.
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>Sanji breaks his leg against Vergo
>Zoro loses a sword against a fucking no name captain
Yet everyone shits on Sanji. Zorofags are pathetic
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>>101060505
When will they Buster Call that island
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>>101056775
It's called the Haki trio for a reason retard.
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>>101060505
We haven't actually seen any of the crew in action though to determine if they are strong enough to be valued as strong. I mean Vergo showed just as much if not more haki ability than any of the Kuja pirates, so that point would be moot anyway.
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>>101060506

I've asked someone to post the panel just in case it wasn't in that same chapter, but I'll look it up myself.
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>>101060357
>>101060493
>hating Shirahoshi
You heartless monsters
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>>101060549
I think he meant something like a signed bounty or some other keepsake as opposed to just a piece of paper with his signature.
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>>101060349

I hope your a troll.
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>>101060617
Its on the page here
>>101059491
On the bottom of the page in the middle, Sanji puts pressure on his leg, feels pain and make a pained noise.
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>>101060554
I like how this character was created JUST to get rid of Zoro's sword
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>>101060554
>Someone using a cheap gimmick to break a cheap sword 2 years ago is somehow worse than getting absolutely rekt by someone of the same rank after training for two years
Im getting really tired of all the Sanji reverse trolling going on lately.
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>>101060357
I don't dislike either of them, I just don't like them.
I feel nothing.
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>Sanji fights Vergo and Dofla without hesitation
>Interim captain of the ship
>Fighting Big Mom head on
>still gets shit talked

b-but he cracked a bone against the strongest guy on the island
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>>101060591
Vergo was the strongest user of Busoshoku haki, and I'm going to keep thinking that until someone else does something like this
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>>101060554
Who the fuck is this guy, for real?
His name was only released in SBS, the only thing he ever did was destroy the sword.
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>>101060698

Shit, I didn't even notice he had combined the pages. I had it up in another tab already and assumed it was the same.

I'll go back to thinking it was cracked, but shit did Oda miss a chance to show off Sanji's CoO. It was almost too perfect.
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>>101060872
Theres nothing impressive about that, i'm sure a lot of the big players could do it. Theres just no reason for them to.
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>>101060756
>get body abused as fuck by Nami to the point of barely being able to move
>still put up a fight with Vergo
>able to shrug a broken leg and keep running
>absolutely rekt
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>>101058042
Have you got the panels deflecting his buggy ball back at him?
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>>101060554
franky is lucky this guy didnt notice him
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>>101060906
>Theres nothing impressive about that
It's the biggest CoA feat we've seen
>i'm sure a lot of the big players could do it
Yeah probably.
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>>101060907
>Have a quick skirmish with someone
>They break your leg, you don't even scratch them
>Run away because he didn't stand a chance if the fight kept going
Yeah, I'd call that absolutely rekt
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>>101060872
Someone post Smoker Goes to Mars
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>>101060872
Fucking looks like Mr. Oliva
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>>101060993
you say that like Vergo is a push over.
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>>101060888
Fun fact
Bogart's name isn't canon
His name was only shown in the credits of the anime
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>>101060941
*Of Mihawk deflecting his buggy ball back at him
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>>101060982
>It's the biggest CoA feat we've seen
How? All he did was spread his haki across his body (which has no benefits whatsoever besides covering all areas to defend against law's fighting style. If anything it would be weaker than using it normally) and then get cut right through by law anyway. What was impressive about it besides >HURR HE TURNED INTO A NEGRO
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>>101060906

I dunno about that. I'd like to think you'd have to train specifically for that shit to be able to do it. Vergo was a fucking beast in my eyes. Him vs luffy or zoro would have been nuts. He only lost to 'lel i split you and deal no damage but win anyway kuz ur all jumbled up'.

The only issue with my vergo-fagging (as some would say) in this case is what that means for the 3 seats. Dofla seems more than confident in diamante to job the entire coliseum. He may have felt the same about vergo against law...but this seems different.
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>>101060862
So now its impressive to attack a strong guy, get laughed at and have to run away? Hes shown bravery but all of the Strawhats can be brave, he needs to also be powerful.
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>>101061108
>how is it impressive
>all he did was something impressive
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>>101061108
Because before, all anyone ever did was an arm, their forehead, a leg.
He did his entire body and was able to move.
That's quite the leap, dude.
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>>101061065
You're missing the point. The original statement was about how people make fun of Sanji, but Zoro lost his sword to that other vice admiral. They are the same rank, Sanji suffered more and his fight was later. They aren't even comparable.
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>>101061290
That rust dude was a Captain, not a VA.
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>Have fun light-heartedly making fun of Sanji to blow off steam after nosebleed shenanigans
>Fully expect him to redeem himself at some point
>Sanjifags take it to heart and start shitposting

The worst part is that when Sanji eventually does get his moment to shine we'll be flooded with Sanjifags claiming victory.
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In regards to all the Vergo and the high executive's power - it took a Shichibukai with a former 440 million beri bounty to take him out, and even then he didn't really beat him in the traditional One Piece sense (fight and knock them out), just separated his body until he was too many pieces to move on his own. Vergo was still fully conscious after his fight. Plus, Law was being considered for a high executive position (Heart seat). So if we assume that the other high executives are roughly around Vergo's strength as well, they are roughly Law's strength.
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>>101060872
>>101061194
I'm gonna need that Patrick Star Vergo gif
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>>101061172
literally in that picture flamingo says "oh you're strong"

and yeah he got stringed up but he didn't know about the power
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>>101061389
Vergo was above the seats, he was fucking Doffy's right hand man.
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>>101061164
>>101061198
>>101061240
You guys aren't understanding me. He doesn't gain any strength or defensive ability by coating his entire body in haki. The only advantages it gives him are in defending against attacks that can come from anyway (like Law, thats the entire reason he did it) or if you were going to fight using body slams. Its not some super saiyan mode where he gets stronger. If anything he spread himself thin because he was scared of law's fruit and ended up getting cut straight through his "impressive" haki.
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>>101061108
Doflamingo wouldn't be saying this if MAXIMUM HAKI ARMOR wasn't the strongest thing Vergo could do.
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>>101061398
For you
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>>101061108
It wouldn't really defend against Law's fighting style. CoA doesn't negate Devil Fruit powers like Seastone does, it just lets you hit a devil fruit user that would be normally unaffected by a normal attack. So it wouldn't protect against Law's cutting.
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>>101061423
And kizaru really was scared of the supernovas. Its like you don't know what sarcasm is.
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>>101061509
Thanks anon
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>>101061290
You're still ignoring the fact that his body was beat as fuck before the fight
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>>101061488
>He doesn't gain any strength or defensive ability by coating his entire body in haki

Except this is never stated, you're just making assumptions

> Its not some super saiyan mode where he gets stronger.

Then why does he bulk up so fucking much
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>>101061506
Hes saying that Vergo can cover his whole body which helps defend against laws fighting style of being able to teleport and cut from anywhere. Obviously his haki isn't that strong or Law wouldn't have cut right through it so easily.
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>>101059491
I dont get whats going on here?

Whered those striped pants come from and why are they cracked?
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>>101061290
Remember when Zoro got put to sleep on Punk Hazard.

Zorofags sure don't.

Far worse than sanji getting his bone fractured
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>>101061488
> He doesn't gain any strength or defensive ability by coating his entire body in haki.
Why would you assume that at all?
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>>101061488
>He doesn't gain any strength or defensive ability by coating his entire body in haki.
>The only advantages it gives him are in defending

u wot m8

>turning your fleshy punches into steel punches
>not gaining strength

okay
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>>101061460
Well technically he still held a similar title to the other heads, so that was just the basis of my theory. But yeah, being Doffy's right hand might mean he was stronger than the others. Then again there are also regular executives who seem more powerful than other regular executives, so really we have no basis whatsoever until we see them all in action I guess.
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>>101061540
>It wouldn't really defend against Law's fighting style. CoA doesn't negate Devil Fruit powers like Seastone does, it just lets you hit a devil fruit user that would be normally unaffected by a normal attack. So it wouldn't protect against Law's cutting.
What im saying is, law can attack from any direction at any time, so just using haki on the spot hes attacking like in a normal fight is nearly impossible. Thus why you would coat your whole body in Armament haki, it wouldn't negate laws attacks but it would increase your defense no matter where he hits.
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>>101061623
>His haki isn't that strong because he got cut by something that literally cut the entire island in half

You're right, he's super weak.
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>>101061660
Except Sanji did too.
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>>101061660

Zoro redeemed himself by raping Monet.
Sanji didn't do shit so far
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>>101061460
He and the seats have the exact same title in Japanese just to put things into perspective though.

>implying Cora-san wasn't the strongest of them all
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>>101061610
>Except this is never stated, you're just making assumptions
Im not making assumptions, thats how haki is stated to work. CoA has 2 functions. 1. it hardens the body part you use, making your defenses harder to break and your attacks hit harder, and 2. Allows you to hit logia as if they were solid. Lets say you throw a punch at someone, obviously coating your fist in CoA will make that punch stronger. But theres no reason to believe that having your leg coated in haki would make a punch stronger. Do you see what I'm trying to say?
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>>101061623

Vergo's Haki is not weak. It's one of the best we've seen so far in the series. The entire point of this scene was to show that Haki doesn't make you invincible no matter how strong it is.
I don't get why so few people get that
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>>101059734
The funny thing is zoro would easily kill him only using 1 sword
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>>101061764
I'm not saying hes weak, just that hes far from the crown of "best haki user shown so far" that all of /a/ wants to deem him. His haki clearly wasn't top tier.
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>>101061660
You mean when him and Sanji were arguing and both got put to sleep? Yeah, that makes Sanji look even better!
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>>101060349
Not only did we HEAR the leg crack but he complained after big mom's ship showed up that his leg still wasn't fully healed.

Fucking Sanjifags are so god damn delusional.
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>>101061888
But thats wrong

Law had gotten stronger than Vergo's haki could manage. You're basically saying that Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta is the strongest version of Super Saiyan because the muscles are bigger
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>>101061488
There is nothing at all to suggest that is how armament haki works.

Law would at least comment that Vergo is using a desperate move. Instead, Dofla reminded Law of the last time Vergo got pissed. It's clearly his full power.
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>>101061947

Name someone else whose CoA haki has been demonstrated to be better than Vergo's.
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>>101061782
>reluctantly beats her down
>cant even finish her off

way to get serious, zoro
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>>101061947
>His haki clearly wasn't top tier.
My little anon can't shitpost this hard
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>>101061698
Of course coating your fist in CoA before punching is going to make the punch stronger, thats not what I'm talking about. I'm saying if you punched one time with CoA just on your arm, and punched again with CoA over your entire body, they would be just as strong as each other. Is turning the back of your kneecap into steel really going to help with your punch?
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>>101061782
He wasn't even willing to do more than cut her cheek and perform a feint that forced her to piss her pants. Zoro was nearing Sanji tier.

He's is lucky that Law had his heart keikaku/the button malfunctioned because Monet was about to blow up everyone on that island.
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>>101061888
Law easily outclassed vergo's haki. Sure Vergo has shown some of the best haki we've seen so far in the series, but thats mostly because we've barely seen any impressive haki users. Vergo is far from top tier at haki.
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>>101062125
How about turning all your fucking muscles from flesh into steel
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>>101061947

It was top tier. Law was just better. Look how fucking big that cut was. he cut a fucking mountain range in half.
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>>101061752
>law can attack from any direction at any time

Except that's not what he does, he just cut Vergo with his sword head on. Vergo obviously anticipated this, but charged ahead anyway because he wanted to put Law in his place... then failed.

Vergo was a strong motherfucker. Don't you remember these last words he heard? Do you really think he'd be weak after being best buddies with Doffy for so long?
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>>101061943
Why won't Oda just make them bang already? I've been waiting for them to fuck for literal years now.
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>>101062217
>best haki
>mindlessly coating your entire body to appear stronk instead of focusing it on specific points to magnify damage or defense
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>>101062060
I'm not saying it definitely works like that, just that IF ANYTHING it would be weaker rather than stronger. How is a metal coating spread out across your entire body stronger than the same metal coating just on the body part you're using?
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what do you guys think basil hawkin's fruit is? everyone says its some kind of paramecia,but i think its a mythical zoan of some sort. anyone know of any mythical creatures that use dolls to transfer damage (something voodoo related maybe)?
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>>101061881
More fucking assumptions. Just because those are the uses we've seen SO FAR doesn't mean that's all there is. I fully expect people to use it in creative ways. When Luffy used Grizzly Magnum on Caesar, the haki prevented his arms from getting petrified beyond a small layer.
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>>101062067
Law.

>>101062078
>Already been beaten at haki
>Still haven't even scratched the surface of the new world
Theres no way in hell that we won't be seeing people with much stronger haki than Vergo.
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>>101061881
No I'm afraid I don't get what you're saying here buddy.
>haki makes your defenses harder to break and your attacks hit harder
>Vergo didn't gain extra defensive or offensive abilities by coating himself in haki
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>>101061769
>Zoro while on full alert mode and prepared for danger gets put to sleep and rekt by fucking yeti bros

>Sanji not paying attention to anything but cooking for his waifus and not prepared for danger gets poisoned slowly over a long period of time and still realizes what is happening, which Franky never did.

>Comparing these two events at all

look how desperate you are zorofags
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>>101062308
You are crossing the line into full retard territory a bit
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>>101062347
Probably a Curse Curse Cursed Fruit that lets you be different curses/voodoos like Baby 5 with weapons.
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>>101062237
So you're saying that Law is top tier at haki? That out of all the Yonkou, Supernova, Marines, Random new world pirates and all there crews, Law is already one of the best at haki? Theres no way.
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>>101062370
>Theres no way in hell that we won't be seeing people with much stronger haki than Vergo.
But that's not what we are talking about anon
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>>101062259
Yeah, Vergo was definitely powerful.
I'd more put it as a show of strength for Law, just about how he's progressed alongside the Strawhats over the timeskip.
I never once got the sense that Vergo was an easy win, especially after he beat Sanji's kick with simple armament.
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>>101062308
>I'm not saying it works like this, but it definitely works like this other way because I say it does
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>>101062237
How was that haki?
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>>101062259
>Except that's not what he does, he just cut Vergo with his sword head on. Vergo obviously anticipated this, but charged ahead anyway because he wanted to put Law in his place... then failed.
I know thats what actually happened, I'm just saying why vergo would go full nigger mode to begin with. In vergo's mind there was no way Law could cut through his Haki so he coated his whole body and thought himself invincible.
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>>101062370

>this nigga even know what haki is?
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>>101062300
>instead of focusing it on specific points to magnify damage or defense
>>101062308
> How is a metal coating spread out across your entire body stronger than the same metal coating just on the body part you're using?

And once again why are people acting like it was stated in the manga that haki acts like pressure and gets weaker as it covers more area?
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>>101062300
I'm the one arguing that he DOESN'T have very good haki. I was just saying that you can classify it with "that we've seen so far" if you want because we haven't seen barely any haki yet.
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>>101062538
Haki requires immense concentration, no?

How would concentrating on your whole body not be weaker than on one specific part?
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>>101062575
But I'm arguing that he does have good haki, but its not one of the best. Luffy is probably better than him
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>>101062465
>>101062538
You guys have to be trolling now, I clearly said that I wasn't claiming it works like that. What I'm saying is (and try really hard to keep up) there is no reason to believe that nigger mode haki gives him anything special as opposed to just being normal haki over his entire body. Thus it is not impressive or a super saiyan mode. Then I was saying that IF ANYTHING, LOGICALLY it would be weaker because it would be spread out. Note that i'm not saying it works like that, I'm just saying that its more likely than it being a super saiyan mode.
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>>101062437

He's really good at haki, stop with your stupid fucking tiers. Vergo is great at haki, Law is better.
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>>101062365
So me knowing how haki works is assumptions, where as its fact that there might be more uses for it revealed later on? Oda went through the trouble of having Rayleigh directly explain haki so we would know how it works. If he adds more uses later we can handle that when it comes, but theres no reason to assume there will be.
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>>101062713
>One character with Haki beats another character with Haki
>"HE MUST BE THE BEST AT HOCKEY!"

come on
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>>101062713

I have no idea where you're even getting this shit. There's not even one panel you could use to support this position--even if you're majorly bullshitting.
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.Vergo is the only person in the entire manga shown to be able to cover his entire body in armament haki
>WHY WOULD YOU THINK VERGO HAS GREAT HAKI!?
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I dunno why people are saying that Law's haki is better than Vergo's just because Law cut Vergo.

Law's fruit is really fucking good. It's reasonable to assume you need an immense amount of haki to defend against it an un-haki'd cut from it. Law may have only needed a small amount of haki to push his attack past the point that Vergo's haki was capable of enduring.

There's not enough information either way to determine who has better haki.
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>>101062375
I'll put it in simpler terms for you.
Punch thrown with haki on fist=Punch thrown with haki on entire body
Punch taken to chest coated in haki=Punch taken to chest when entire body is coated in haki.
I'm saying that the only difference between normal haki use and "full nigger mode" is how much area is covered.
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>>101062682
>Well I can't make any claims but if I was going to make a claim I would make this claim

Why not just admit you're wrong?

>LOGICALLY it would be weaker because it would be spread out
>assuming it works like pressure
>assuming Vergo is not special in some way
>assuming coating his entire body in Haki works the exact same way as one part

It's a fucking transformation. He goes from being a muscular tall dude to FUCKING GIGANTIC AND HUGE. All of his muscles get much bigger. Maybe he doesn't go super saiyan but he's definitely stronger, that's what the new form fucking implied
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i guess we still dont know how haki works then
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>>101062787

I never said that he was the best, retard. I said he was better than Vergo. What's with all these idiots.
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>>101062440
Vergo isn't top tier at haki if we see a lot of people with haki above his.
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>>101062760
>Rayleigh's short explanation encompassed every possible use of every kind of Haki because there's no evidence to the contrary

Right, next you're going to tell me that all Conqueror's can do is knock people out and control animals.
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>Vergo vs Law talk
that fight just makes me think of Armstrong vs Raiden or Sam now
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>>101062653
That isn't even close to top tier though.
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Sanji fractured his leg on Vergo. Sanji wouldn't fracture his leg kicking Sanji or Zoro for sure. Vergo's mastery of armament haki was great. I don't see how you idiots can argue this.
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>>101062836

>implying Luffy and Zoro never change muscle mass depending on how much they tense up.

Zoro literally grows guerrilla arms, dude. Did we ever see Vergo un-nigger mode with his shirt off? How do you know he isn't that buff all the time?

It's pretty obvious that Vergo coated his whole body to prevent being cut. That's obviously how he prevented it when he originally gave Law the beat-down. Law's cut had nothing to do with HIS haki, but (demonstrated by the fact that he had to cut the entire mountain along with vergo) rather it was like he overclocked his DF to bypass the haki coating.

As for what the other anon is saying, he's just claiming that concentrated haki coating is stronger than a spread-out one. Not that out-there of a claim, but we're not 100% on it. Seems plausible to me.
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>>101063086
>Sanji wouldn't fracture his leg kicking Sanji
Wat
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>>101062713
"Really good" is a relative term, you would know that if you weren't too bother by the word tier to actually pay attention. Sure hes really good at haki as far as the general population goes, but in the New world his haki is nothing impressive.
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"Look at those muscles, he must be the strongest Super Saiyan!"
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>>101062713
You fucking idiots.

Law didn't use Haki to separate Vergo, He used his devilfruit powers

Having his sword embued with haki would have killed vergo instantly and negate his own devil fruit powers.
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>>101062916

Who do we see with better armament haki? Garp is the only person that comes to mind.
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>>101061747

Doffy>Trebol>Vergo=Pica/Diamante is my best guess.
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>>101063127

>being this fucking retarded

Does Luffy using haki negate his rubber status, you dumb motherfucker?
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enough of this shit

spoilers fucking when
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>>101062836
Holy shit you're retarded. How can you not understand the difference between THIS IS TRUE and IF ANYTHING, THIS IS TRUE. I'm not the one claiming that nigger mode is some awesome transformation, you are. I'm saying that its not true, and if, NOTE THE WORD IF, theres any difference in strength between that and normal haki that it would be weaker.
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>>101063138
But thats wrong
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>>101062921
If more uses appear later then I'll change my stance on it, until then theres no reason to believe he was doing some secret Haki use we don't know about.
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>>101063138

Why is Luffy able to fucking stretch his arm in clad full in armament haki, retard.

Why are you sanjifags so fucking mad tonight?
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>>101063086
Neither of them were using haki, that was just pure strength cracking Sanji's leg.
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Why don't we get early Chinese spoilers anymore?
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>>101063236
Well I would think it goes without saying that Sanji wouldn't break his leg kicking another Sanji since they're both of equal strength but Sanji shouldn't be attacking himself in the first place
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I like how people think top tier = single best. Its a fucking TIER and also is not used in a literal sense anyway.

Fact is, vergo was clearly strong as fuck, a haki specialist, and was trusted by the marines to be the fucking base commander in NW and be doffys best nigga bro as well.

The fag who is trying to suggest that using haki all over the place means its weaker overall compared to a more localized manner could be right but thats a could for now. That would be HxH nen rules.

>>101062653

Luffy is pretty shit at armament haki apparently. He commented so himself after hody was able to bite through his armament - not to say that hody was weak in his super dope mode but i doubt he was anywhere near doffy/vergo/seats.

blablabla muh opinions and arguing with nobody about slightly different things.
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>>101063271
Why are you saying anything if you know it's equally invalid as what you're refuting
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>>101063149
We haven't seen many yet because we've barely seen any actual haki use. The only time we saw the big players fighting intensely was at marineford and that was before we knew about haki and Oda showed it. There aren't a lot of people that have show better haki yet, but we literally just entered the new world. I could name at least 20 people that would definitely have better haki than Vergo though.
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>>101063403

How do you know neither of them were using Haki? Especially since Sanji was trying to protect a woman and Vergo was just using haki to bitchslap Tashigi moments before.

Goddamn, you guys are retarded.
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>>101063391

You misunderstood what he said.

If Law could have coated his sword with stronger haki than Vergo's, why DF cut him at all? Why not just slice him in half for real?

Law doesn't seem to have CoA AT ALL, and if so, it's probably not that strong. Like I said earlier, Law overclocked his devil fruit to outmatch Vergo's haki. It's simple stuff.
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>>101062217

Law didn't beat Vergo because his Haki was better. His Devil Fruit attack was too powerful. If Law had used Haki, Vergo would be dead
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>>101063182
Trebol is on track to either being taken out by a Robin/Usopp tag team or Hakuba.
Diamante's probably going to Sabo/Burgess and Pica to Zoro.
I'm tempted to rank it Diamante>Pica>Trebol. Or maybe Oda's been keeping Pica mysterious for a reason.
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>>101063433

>using tiers

Stop.
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If luffy isn't the best hockey player then why was he able to use a fire punch under water?
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>>101063463
I'm saying that coating your entire body in haki is NO DIFFERENT from just coating the part you're actively using. I'm refuting the fact that its somehow stronger, by saying theres no reason to believe it is. Then I go on to say that if it were different for any reason, it would make the most sense for it to be weaker. I see that the last part is too confusing for you to handle, so just focus on the first part.
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>>101063570

God, you're retarded. If he didn't use his ability he would have to actually cut through his body with physical force. He's not as physically strong as Vergo so that's impossible.
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>>101063570
Law combined his DF and Haki to cut through Vergo with DF still active

It's not an either or thing, see Luffy
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>>101063667
>I'm saying that coating your entire body in haki is NO DIFFERENT from just coating the part you're actively using.

And I'm saying that you're wrong because you're talking out of your ass. I'm making an inference based on evidence posted in the thread, you're spouting bullshit
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>>101063638
because feelings
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>>101063566
Because we can literally see them not using haki. Quit being retarded.

>>101063433
>vergo was clearly strong as fuck
He very clearly wasn't strong as fuck. Theres at least a hundred people in the One Piece world that are significantly stronger than him or will be by the end of the story.
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>Haki
>Sanji
>Zoro
>Vergo

Only Spoilers can save us from this evil.
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>>101059967
POST THESE PANELS PERIOD END THE DEBATES FUCK
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>>101063587
He used haki in combination with his devil fruit and theres no reason to think otherwise.
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>>101061578
oh god, it's dofla without his DF
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>>101063739

There's no evidence he used haki. There is the evidence of slicing an entire mountain in half. Why would that be necessary if all it took to cut him was to combine with haki? Cutting the whole mountain would be overkill.

Law trained his devil fruit for JUST a moment like that--perhaps anticipating his fight with Vergo. He must have had that earlier beatdown in the back of his mind ever since then.
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>>101063792
I know.
This conversation infinitely approaching nowhere.
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>>101063785

How can we not see them using haki? They weren't using Hardening but that doesn't mean they weren't using Armament haki at all. Or do you think Zoro and Sanji have never used haki at all since they have't used hardening. Or do you think Sanji wasn't using Armament haki when he attacked Doflamingo?
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>>101063756
Theres absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that "nigger mode" is anything other than coating your entire body in normal CoA. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it.
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>>101063835

We're way past this, bro.
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>>101063792
>genderbent marine luffy

All I want is Oda to clone himself so we can have Akainu and Garp as pirates, with Whitebeard and Luffy as marines

Not sure how he would go around gathering his crewmates though, they don't seem to work in big groups
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Oda confused his idiot readers so much when he introduced Hardening Haki. Now no one thinks anyone is using Armament haki unless they're colored black like this idiot:>>101063785
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>>101063945
see>>101063917

Vergo harnesses the mystic power of blacks
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>>101063785
Because we can literally see them not using haki.
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>>101063919
It was a quick skirmish and they weren't shown or stated as using haki. You can assume that they were if you want, but it would be an assumption none the less.
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>>101063792
time to save this thread

is crocodile luffy's mom? is his secret with ivankov that he was a woman?
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>the one ass ravaged sanjifag in this thread
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>>101064017
>Posting an example of before haki was introduced, when it was never shown
Post an example of a time post timeskip where someone was definitely using haki and it wasn't either colored or mentioned.
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>>101064053
There's several idiots, all of which are feeding off of each other into a pool of idiocy, arguing despite the fact they're agreeing with each other.
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>>101063919
>>101063987
Hardening and Armament aren't two different haki.
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>>101064126

>Luffy grabbing smoker's arm when Tashigi was in his body
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>>101064029

Just fucking stop. Sanji nor Vergo have no reason not to use Haki in all their attacks especially when they perceived each other as threats. We don't need to be fucking told everything.
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>>101064188
You're the one making an assumption with no basis.
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>>101064177

No one was arguing that, idiot. Hardening seems to be an advanced or offensive based version of the regular Armament haki.
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>>101064184
That wasn't haki, it was because Tashigi doesn't know how to transform properly as Smoker, this was explicitly stated.
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>>101064126

Law vs. Smoker. Fuck off.
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http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pirate_Alliance_Saga

In the image to the right of this page, who is the person with red hair under Franky's right arm? Law's crewmember?
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>>101064272
Both were fighting seriously. Do you expect the dialogue in this series to devolve to the point where character's to announce every aspect of their fighting style to their opponents? And how would Haki even be shown if they were kicking with pants on?
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Which is the shittiest One Piece arc: Skypiea or Fishman Island?
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>>101064326

Where was it said? How could Tashigi partially turn into smoke but still stretch his arm that far?
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>>101064372
Its Kaido thats been established

Get with the times
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>oda has to specifically say every time a character is using haki even though we've been told it's commonplace in the New World

Why one piece fans so fucking retarded. At least Bleach fans are little clever, but you dumb fucks never learn.
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>>101064372
Yeah. Shachi and Penguin are Law's men.
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>>101064372
It's most likely Kaido, given that all other emperors are featured and he's the only one we don't recognize.
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>>101064442
Those look like some pretty sticky clouds
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>>101064417
Kuro arc.
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>>101064457
Are you retarded, Kaido is the top left with his mouth open. I'm talking about the person that has Frank'ys right hand no his head. Wearing a hat with red hair and sideburns.
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>>101064326
>That wasn't haki, it was because Tashigi doesn't know how to transform properly as Smoker, this was explicitly stated.

Nothing like that was ever said. Luffy just said that Smoker was weak because Tashigi was in his body. He still used haki to grab him/her when he was made of smoke.
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>>101064485
I'll accept your point if you can explain why none of the Vizards used their masks on Mask
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>>101064490
Thanks
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>>101064283
That anon was using "hardening" and "armament" at different times and he was either confused or switching between 2 terms for some reason.
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Ok What does this mean?
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>>101064578

I won't defend that. People who read Bleach constantly call out Kubo for shitting on the Vizard captains and not having them use their masks.

The difference is they're actually able to fucking comprehend the manga. You have people in this thread who need to be told every time someone is using haki when it's made explicitly clear.
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>>101064683
It was a quick way to show that Smiley died and his fruit reappeared without Oda having to waste panels cutting to somewhere else in the world.
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>>101064683
Vergo's gonna turn into a giant negro axolotl
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>>101064660

No one was confused Hardening is the darkening and I was using the term "armament' just as a general term for regular armament haki.
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>>101064397
You have to be trolling. They weren't fighting seriously at all, it was just a quick skirmish. And you really don't think Oda would just turn their pants black? What reason is there to think that they were using haki other than that they were fighting and know haki SO OF COURSE THEY MUST BOTH USE IT ALL THE TIME!
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>>101064683

it was to show after the df user dies the df travels to the nearest fruit and "infects" it.
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>>101064442
His hand is completely black.
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>>101064485
The problem comes because Oda decided to visually show CoA. If he didn't do that people would be fine with speculating on when haki is used.
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>>101064770
No, you're trolling and need to stop.
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>>101064841
>>101064730

Oh wow genius thanks
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>>101064849

>Luffy's glove is black... all the time. Clearly he's constantly got CoA going, even when he's sleeping
>Smoker's glove is black too--HAKI
>neither are shiny like haki is usually shown to be
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>>101064578
Its hard to tell right now considering they just woke up. Kubo could have plans for it or it could be simple jobbing.
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>>101064770

Why wouldn't Sanji use haki when he realized Vergo's body was akin to iron?
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>>101064913
Oh wow, Sanji threw a kick? Vergo was slightly affected but took no damage? Most intense fight ever.
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>>101064908

No, it's not a problem at all. People in this thread are just idiots.
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>>101065005
Because zoro can cut through steel without haki so he wanted to one up him. Zoro and sanji are both weaker than fully powered up chopper though
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>>101064841
I'd guess the fruit has the be the same kind as its said in the past there's a book that describes some of them. If for instance the one Blackbeard wanted was supposed to be a kiwi but went into a watermelon he would probably not be able to tell.
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>>101064849

He's wearing gloves, retard. Please tell me this is bait.
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>>101065151
I wasn't saying that to mean "he must be using haki" just that its impossible to tell because his hand is already black.
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>>101064578
Oda is not Kubo
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>>101065233
What about when Luffy grabbed Caesar the first time
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>>101064553
I really just can't see Apoo and Kidd getting along, Kidd falls for all b8 and Apoo is a master b8'er.

Their collapse seems inevitable.
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>>101065233

His hand isn't black, he's wearing gloves. And regardless, the point was to show that he was using haki in that image without it having it pointed out to us.
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>>101059487
>99999999999999999. Stays with Doffy after he is defeated

Wouldn't this be considered pulling a Gin?
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Fufufu go fly a kite.

There needs to be a new topic.
Where are spoilers?
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>>101065398
>tfw the chinks stopped giving early Monday spoilers and fanart
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>>101065233

I was going to say Caribou when he tried to abduct Shirahoshi, just to satisfy your ass, but it doesn't actually show the punch that sent him flying. Luffy is shown before and after it with no black hardening on, and I doubt he would have needed hardening just to punch Caribou. Basic CoA would be enough.
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>>101065398

No more early spoilers.
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>>101065398
>>101065455
I don't know what you mean, the spoiler was posted in yesterday's thread.
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>>101065533

Law vs Smoker. Smoker uses haki to block Law's attacks.
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>>101065367
How would Oda have shown it in that situation if he had chosen to? Its not a very good example for a time when someones using haki without it being shown when he looks exactly the same as it being shown.
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>>101065608
Sure anon.
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>>101065629

Oda usually uses a shiny tint along with the blackness. Point is, if he wanted to make it painfully obvious, he could have.
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>>101065134
The most accepted theory is that the devil fruit power goes to the closest matching fruit. For example if you kill Kaku having a pineapple it won't go to the pineapple but the closest banana, even if the closest banana is thousands of miles away.
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>>101064680
I would.
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>>101063236
Yea it does you fucker, that's why he can retain forms after he applies it.
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>>101056613
>Vegapunk actually made the fucking rocket gorilla in the sketch

Oh my god
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>>101058574
After the Marineford arc luffy was pretty beaten up, burnt, frozen, and poisoned for like 12 hours before he went on a crazy adrenalin high and got the shit beaten out of him all while akainu burnt a small hole in his chest.

I know wounds heal quickly for the team however that is because tony chopper is saving the day, and if they really get messed up by OP standards then they are out for a bit.
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>>101059862
its good but I dont know about fantastic, however yeah I really like the Doffy special he pulled on ol Bellamy
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>>101066769

He didn't burn a whole in his chest. The magma grazed him. It went straight through Jimbe, but he's a fishman, so I dunno fishman powers.
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So just finished film Z

Two things

I know that Z was a fucking psychopath trying to blow up the New World (because three volcanoes are going to do that I guess) but he seemed like a nice enough guy. I think the SH+Aokiji+Neo Marines could have gone toe to toe with Kizaru and the few VAs there. It honestly felt like they were sending Z to his death for no real reason other for him to redeem himself in death. Luffy and Aokiji have blood on their hands.

Secondly, what the fuck was up with the end credit songs?
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>>101066987
I want an Admiral to pop up in the manga like Z.
I really loved Z fighting style and the fact he was Admiral level was awesome.
>Secondly, what the fuck was up with the end credit songs?
Apparently she's a fan of One Piece.
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>>101060562
I can see it happening around the time Luffy reaches one piece and comes back to Boa with the power to fight the world government and have even more love go one.
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>>101066987

The strawhats aren't responsible for saving their enemy from their enemy. It also seemed like Z was ready to die.
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>>101061290
You are also missing the point that Smoker who was Luffys counterpart kept fucking luffy over bad, this guy fucking destroyed smoker it took law to kill him With some special Haki devil fruit slash. If anything I dont think luffy would have been much better.
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Which scene in one piece has (or almost) made you cry, /a/?


pic related
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>>101067268
Zoro having his sword rusted isn't even close to as bad as Sanji losing to Vergo.
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>>101067312
The Merry scene made me cry three times.
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>>101066612
I don't get that one. It's still a primarily a missile, right? Wouldn't the abomination still be one-use? It can only blow up once?

Seems like a waste of fruit
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>>101067312
laboon flashback of brook
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>>101060872
his fucking neck could stop a damn bullet if he was real. thats some beeffy mother fucker who would fuck shit up in the world of the skinny and the giant.
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>>101067312
Ace dying in front of Luffy almost made me tear up
Ace was a fucking idiot though
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>>101064770
>And you really don't think Oda would just turn their pants black?
You mean like he's done sleeves?

Yeah, I don't think he'd make it appear on clothes either. Like here. He doesn't do that.
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>>101067477
are you saying he's a chicken anon?
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>>101067312
What's wrong, it's just a quartet...

Trio...

Duo...

SOLO...
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>>101067624
>let's waste a big effort because a marine made fun of my husbando
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>>101067385
So fucking what, I just said Virgo would have fucked over luffy and smoker after training 2 years who fucked over luffy pre timeskip which was alot stronger than pre sanji. So does Sanji getting a fracture and and running it off compare to someone of smokers class getting wrecked?
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>>101067547
Fuck me crosseyed captcha fuckup removed pic
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>>101067312
Nearly every single SH introduction has made me cry.
>Zoro eating the girl's rice or whatever
>Usopp being abandoned by his dad
>Zeff eating his own fucking leg for Sanji
>Nami watching her mother die, and working for her killers
>Chopper basically kills his own dad
>Robin gets to see her mom for a couple minutes before she dies
>Brook playing Bink's Sake and remembering the death of his crew
>Franky almost killing himself
>Merry's funeral
Also,
>Usopp fighting Luffy and his return to the Strawhat crew
>Ace's death
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>>101065455
>>101065569
Why?
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>>101067749
You're so far away from the original point that I have no clue what you're trying to say.
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>>101066987
>Secondly, what the fuck was up with the end credit songs?
Don't question it
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>>101067710
to be fair akainu is a monster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLn_uZLhZrY
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>>101067762
So i'm guessing you cry pretty easily.
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>>101067312
Luffy sacrificing himself so his crew can escape Aokiji
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>>101067797
No idea. I forget when it started but they had been doing it since before Sanji jobbed to Dofla in October or November. Then things got weird with the holiday schedule and they haven't given Monday spoilers since.
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>>101067852
Yes I actually do
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>>101067312
Solo
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>>101067860
>One Piece
>Sad sacrifice
Nope
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>>101067672
>>101067955
oh god, the fact that brook spent 50 years doing nothing 40 DEGREES! makes me feel awful.

not to mention staying 5 years in the mist/shadows, worrying about laboon every day

immeasurable loneliness
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>>101067820

>This video contains content from WMG. It is restricted from playback on certain sites.

Fucking World Marine Government.
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>>101068004
What if you could do 45 degrees

What would you do with your newfound power
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>>101067312

>I wadda live
>viking funeral
>"Nothing happened."
>Kuma sending everyone flying
>"What's wrong with me?"
>Ace's death
>"I've already pinched my cheek hard enough to tear it off!"
>Nami: "Luffy, help me..."
>"You were right there on the battlefield... They were right there in front of you. So what the hell were you doing? Why did you just let Ace die like that?"

Fuck, nigger, I'm a cry baby. Name a sad part and I've probably shedded a tear or two.
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>>101059245
Bart and Bellamy (maybe his crew too) are going to join the revolutionaries.
Bart is already hated by the world, so why not.
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>>101068056
10 degrees
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>>101068056
I'm not gonna lie I've tried multiple times and I always hit my head
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>>101068085
I don't think my roommate would mind if I started all of a second screaming 45 degrees while tilting myself like a board.

brb I'm trying this now
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>>101067907
>>101068065
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>>101067987
I liked it
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>>101067312
When Luffy realises he still has his crew and Ace telling Jinbe how relived he was to see Luffy all grown up
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>>101068206
it always irritated me that it says 'mono a mono' instead of 'mono y mono'
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>>101067312
I lost my shit in this scene. Couldn't believe that the strawhats would actually abandon a nakama
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>>101068206
It was a nice moment, but by then I had already realized that Oda would never actually follow through on it and it was cheapened.
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>>101068308
>mono
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>>101068206
Btw, does this mean that Kong isn't higher rank than the Admirals?
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>>101068456
I'm going to sleep now.
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>>101067312
did anyone else get shivers during the part in "we are" when shanks showed up? POKETTO NO COIN

not to mention that bitching remix
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>tfw everyone relevant in Dressrosa has a seiyuu announced except Bart
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>>101068490
Kong is not a member of the marines, Garp is.
Like how the President of the United States is the Commander in Chief, but he may not be considered an actual member of the military.
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>>101068534
Uh huh. You were just tired, it's not like you're an idiot or anything.
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>>101059374
Fix'd
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>>101068656
You're making me feel bad about myself anon
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>>101068608
>we are
>best op
>not share the urouge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ancwu_9KFTk
pleb
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>>101068740
I lost my shit at 1:23
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>>101068720
I'll never get over the fact that Crocodile canonically stopped the prison break so he could find a bitchin jacket. What a pimp.
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>>101067418
merry scene was just awkward. It made me want to stop reading because it was so fucking stupid. I mean, really? The ship starts talking all of a sudden?

How the fuck am I supposed to feel something for a fucking tub of tree that has done nothing for hundreds of chapters.
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>Viola becomes wanted as an ex-member of Doflamingos crew
>Rebecca is already taking over the country
>She has nowhere to go
>Luffy and Sanji invite her on, she accepts
>Does lookout and intelligence gathering
>Hits on Sanji all the time, jealous as hell of Nami and Robin, tries to stab Sanji when he flirts with them
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>>101069445
a man can dream
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>>101069196
get the fuck out
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>>101069196
>The ship starts talking all of a sudden?
The ship talked like twice before that.
Where the fuck were you?
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>>101069504
Another thing that is just cringeworthy is that Oda expects me to feel something when Brook is in love with a whale. A fucking fish (pls no >fish) that followed his ship around for a while.
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>>101069633
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>>101069633
If you know the whale isn't a fish then why do you call it one?
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>>101069196

That ship just saved their life, bro.

It saved their lives on Skypea. It had been forcing itself to go on even though it was on the verge of keeling over. Someone said that, had it been any other ship, it would have fallen apart much sooner.
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>>101069633
>>101069777
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>>101069777
Because then he'd have to say he's in love with a mammal.
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736 Sir Crocodile
Fight of Zoro and Sanji and cover

Colosseum side
Five aligned Diamante appeared to Colosseum
Audience say it's been a while Nantes is watch the battle of Diamante
Diamante is good at hand-in-hand combat with a focus on kick, not the person with the capacity to
The man who even fight once and Joseph of that red foot
Provoke the Bring it together Diamante because he is troublesome to the four
Burgess is Bashing diamante suddenly with cues played
The Buttobi swoon to the curb
Hall abuzz
I say Sabo is great Na only power
Burgess is Kakaru beat the Baltic, but I bounced back in the barrier now
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>>101067312
It hasn't happened yet

>old usopp telling stories of the crews adventures to children
>"yeah right there's no way that happened, Usopp"
>chopper chimes in
>"It's true though! We all had some pretty amazing times with our captain.."
>entire crew gathers
>nami rubs the childs strawhat
>"You know, I wouldn't believe the stories either. if I wasn't there. Our captain had a way of getting us in the worst situations"
>"like what, Nami?"
>http://youtu.be/d4yyIKuAKcc?t=2h7m33s starts playing
>flashbacks of luffy when he was still alive
>cuts back to the crew tearing up
>children look confused
>nami wipes away a tear
>"That strawhat meant a lot more to him than everything you own. It was his treasure, something he cherished more than a mountain of gold"
>sanji adds
>"I think you mean a mountain of meat"
>but why would he give it to me, Nami?
>"Listen Ace, there's a lot more to this world than you could ever dream of. He wanted to give it to someone just as brave as he was. Someday you'll be making your own adventures, just like we did. It will make him happy knowing you're carrying on the will of that hat.
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>>101066987
that can also be said about the cool yeti brothers, vergo, monet, that one wind guy from the filler that literally fell of the ship, and all these other random deaths
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>>101070045
He could say cetacean instead. It's more specific
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>>101070290
>>
736 サー・クロコダイル
扉絵 サンジとゾロの喧嘩

コロシアムサイド
コロシアムにディアマンテが登場し5名が揃う
観客がディアマンテの戦いが観れるなんて久しぶりだと言う
ディアマンテは能力者ではなく蹴りを中心とした肉弾戦を得意とする
あの赤足のゼフとかつて互角の戦いをした男
ディアマンテが4人に対し面倒だからまとめてかかってこいと挑発する
試合開始の合図とともにバージェスがいきなりディアマンテをぶん殴る
場外にぶっ飛び気絶
場内騒然
サボがパワーだけは凄いなと言う
今度はバージェスがバルトに殴りかかるがバリヤで跳ね返される
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>>101070290
>Sir Crocodile

Spoilers automatically proven fake, I couldn't handle Croc showing up.
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>>101070407
>this is fake because muh feelings.
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>>101070290
>Crocodile shows up

Now we just need Enel to show up.
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>>101070401

Oh, so it wasn't Sabo after all?
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>>101070570
Fuck me.
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>>101070290
I'm too tired to decode this shit.
What's the summary in actual english?
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>>101069445

>Woman canonically interested in Sanji all the time
>he never touches her
>he actually fully embraced the Okama Way but never was able to accept it
>Sanji becomes full time okama
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>>101070570
Lucy is actually the guy who sold Ace/Sabo/Luffy the sake?
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>>101070316
>implying the story won't be about Luffy going back in time and becoming Roger
>after the whole world at war thing, the world is at peace thanks to the Straw Hats
>knowing how time is supposed to go, Luffy decides to do all the things Roger did
>Roger died smiling knowing that the cycle would just start again
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>>101062259
pls stop posting this pic...
Vergo's smile gets me everyfuckingtime
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>>101070892
I just want it so that when Sanji isn't around the other Straw Hats, he does Okama Way style fighting which is already good for him since he fights on his feet.

Also when is Sanji going to make the Okama food or whatever?
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>>101070978
yfw Ace is Luffy's son
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>>101070978
>Implying that Luffy travelling to the past wouldn't end in a ocean of paradoxes
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>>101071036

He must use their recipes, or at least his version of their recipes. The question is, will he be successfull at making Nami and Robin sexier?
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>>101071003
Right? Vergo is such a scowly fucker, that satisfied smile when Doffy tell him it's a job well done just kills me.

Why are such cool people complete buttslaves to Doflamingo?
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>>101071325
Cora-san when
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Can't wait til Franky gets Haki.

All that fire power and artillery imbued with Haki.
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>>101071191

>yfw Nami and Robin grow into proper proportions instead of having stick-waists
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>>101071036
>Sanji making a meal for Nami
>suddenly gets attacked
>Puts on a dress and goes full Okama
>starts easily winning his designated fight
>he notices Zoro coming to the place
>rushes off
>bumps Luffy on his way out, but Luffy doesn't recognize him
>escapes after dropping the meal he was making for Nami
>Luffy eats the meal meant for Nami
>it's so delicious he falls in love with the mysterious cook woman
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>>101071036
>Also when is Sanji going to make the Okama food or whatever?
He already made one of the recipes during the party on Punk Hazard.
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>>101071451
>Luffy
>Love
Nope, maybe he could want her for nakama though/
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>>101071428

I'm happy if he at least gets them to go back to their old haircuts, but they could use some normal proportions
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>>101070967
Lucy is the Sake

Vegapunk fed the sake the Sabo Sabo no Mi
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>>101071555
Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Childhood Friend
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>>101071756

Would he take a different form depending on everyone's childhood friends?
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>>101071468
Did he? I don't remember that.
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>Badass Nami is gone forever

How do you deal with the pain?
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>>101071954
Has Nami even done anything interesting since the Skypeia saga?
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>>101071824
Zoro meets lucy

"Hey Marine woman, stop looking like...

Kuina?"
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>>101071954

I choose to suffer over the loss of Badass Robin, Interesting Usopp and Respectable Sanji. Nami will shine again when they get to that weird island with lightning rains, or when she finally learns how to make a knock up stream with her staff
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>>101071995

She beat Kalifa
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>>101072059
Zoro enelface when
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>>101072099
I said interesting.
The Kalifa fight was the dumbest part of the Enies Lobby arc.
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>>101072099
>after skypeia
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haki isnt about spreading, it's about intensity. the more intensity youre able to put into your haki, the stronger it will be. it will only be black if it's intense enough. the more you concentrate your haki in one spot, the stronger that one spot will be. each haki user probably has a certain power level, which they can distribute around their body, alot like nen in HxH. vergo has a high haki-level, so he can distribute haki around his body to the point that his whole body is black. when law cut vergo, it was because he was able to focus his own haki into a particular part of vergo where he felt the haki wasn't spread as strongly. if vergo had put all his haki into where law cut, he would have rekt law, but law then could have just cut another area.

tldr; haki= nen, law focused his nen into a spot that vergo hadn't. when sanji fought vergo, vergo "observed" where sanji would kick and focused all his haki into that spot, while sanji hadnt been putting as much haki into his kicks as he could have.
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Haki is a glorified tekkai and an excuse for traditional fighters to be effective against devil fruit users in the New World.
Don't over think it.
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>>101072355
tekai is tightening every single muscle in your body at once, you can just multiply its effectiveness with haki using your willpower.
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>>101072145
Which is a shame, because Kalifa was so damned hot for a woman that got taken out in such a stupid manner.
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>>101071954
There never was a badass Nami so its pretty easy to deal with.

>>101071859
Yeah he made that giant pot of stew.
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>>101071405
But Franky can be as powerful as he wanted in his own way. I mean we already seen new Franky do things more destructive, without drinking more soda to recharge.
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>>101071405
his lasers let him hit logia though
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>>101056991
>brook get platinum mad because of his dead trauma
>rampaging_furious_skeleton.jpg
>does a three humming feet technique in a ship scale
>knockout everyone
>next chapter
>tamago get up
>teams with the swirly jobber vs Tamago and the lion guy

Sorry, Sanji-aniki. But it's age of the dead now.
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>>101071405

Franky will eventually make a machine that uses Cola to produce Haki
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>>101072869
Turns cola into seastone
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>>101071954

She hasn't done anything since Skypiea. The Strawhats should just kick this useless, freeloading whore off their ship.
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>>101072245
He cut Vergo because his haki and his blade were strong enough to do that. Vergo didn't have a weakpoint and why would he leave an achilles heel on his stomach when he's expecting to be cut there? Jesus, I was going to ignore the "power level" shit since it was in the context of CoA's intensity but you went on to prove you're a dong headed prat.

And b4 anyone asks no, I don't think haki intensity and the size of the area where haki can be concentrated (be it a leg/hand, two, entire limbs or full body) are the same.
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>>101073258

And then Zoro will take care of sailing, and they end up in the Moon, where they recruit Enel to be their new navigator.
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>>101071405
Franky already has haki since the timeskip. It's colour of radar haki.
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>>101073264
> I don't think haki intensity and the size of the area where haki can be concentrated (be it a leg/hand, two, entire limbs or full body) are the same.

It would make Haki more interesting. I really hope there is some difference between Haki users besides their power.
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REAL SPOILERS WHEN?
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>>101073342

They're traveling in one direction. Anybody can navigate the ship, besides Zoro.
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>>101073449
Late tonight/in the wee hours of Wednesday morning
The months of Monday night spoilers are over
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Nami, at this point, only exists to provide fanservice. Oda even admitted it at Jump Festa.
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>>101068426
it was meant to show luffy's heart and the lengths he was willing to go to for his nakama
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>>101073449
right now

>"Sabo" is bon-chan
>Robin falls down some stairs and suffers broken neck
>Sogeking defeats Sugar and Trebol alone
>Mr. Prince defeats Tamago
>3 way brawl between Luffy Doffy and Kaido
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>>101073522
Yeah and it did, but it was still cheapened by Oda's tendency to constantly have heroic sacrifices become meaningless.
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>>101073454

The Grand Line is fucking wide, they could end up in the Calm Belt they could go for months without finding an island, a lot of shit could happen.
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>>101073630

They have a Log Pose. Nami is completely unnecessary.
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>>101073587

No one actually thought of it as a heroic sacrifice because we knew he wouldn't die. That would be retarded. People don't have to die for certain actions to be touching. Luffy didn't know he'd survive.
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>>101073587

>heroic sacrifices become meaningless

that's true, but I won't believe anybody really thought Luffy could possibly die.
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>>101073677
Except for being able to read the weather well so they don't get sucked into a whirlpool while they all put chopsticks in their noses.
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>>101073690
>People don't have to die for certain actions to be touching. Luffy didn't know he'd survive.
Yeah I know, but I still think that it cheapens it enough to not really be sad for me. Its touching that Luffy would sacrifice himself for his nakama, but we already knew that anyway.
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One Piece has too many flaws to be considered on the same level as HxH or Jojo.
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>>101059491
Luffy vs Mihawk was only fight I can remember where Luffy shit bricks out of fear.
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>>101073454
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>>101068206
Fuck, I truly like One Piece right now but I believe nothing is ever going to compare to the crew development of water 7, the whole interaction between them and the circumstances was so well done you knew something was wrong from Aokiji to Usopp leaving the crew, hoping there's another stuff like that later on
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>>101073848
Luffy vs Aokiji
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>>101073874
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>>101073782

I don't know about HxH cause I haven't given it a chance, but Jojo is Good. One Piece, with its few flaws, is still way better to me, though.
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>>101073889

We'll never see anything as good as Water 7 ever again. Oda just doesn't put much care into his work anymore.
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>>101073677

They have that weird shit with three needles now. Franky, Brook or Sanji could maybe learn to use it, but not instantly, and it would be fun to be lost in the ocean because of that.

Oda always showed us how every crew member is important, and at this point in the story everyone has proved his value. If you're willing to entirely ignore large chunks of the manga you read just because you dislike a character, then there's no point in arguing with you anymore.
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If Zoro killed the dragon on Punk Hazard, does that mean he killed a mutated kid?
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>>101073848
Strawhats vs Kizaru and Kuma.
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>>101073587
you should never expect THE main character to die. Dragonball series cheapened all sacrifices towards the end. In the OP universe, luffy stood a real chance of dying or having his spirit broken. that's what was meant to be shown
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>>101074010
That dragon was created by Vegapunk, Momo was an accident.
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>>101073782

HxH is too hyped because it plays with the preconceptions in battle manga, but that doesn't necessarily makes it good. For me, One Piece beats HxH just because the author actually gives a fuck about his work.
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I can't think of a single decent female character in One Piece.
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>>101074088
Its not anything with it being the main character, its just that we were fresh off of two "sacrifices" in a row with the character immediately returning. Not saying that other people can't enjoy it if they want, just that I didn't.
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>>101074227
Not even Bellemere or Kokoro or the Square Sisters?
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>>101074227
Do theoretical gender bent characters count?
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>>101074227
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>>101073538
>Robin falls down some stairs and suffers broken neck

If you tried a bit harder I would have definitely believed this one.
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>>101073755
Actually, it was meant to show that blue pheasent doesn't always go with the natural flow of the marines. Ideally, he should have killed them all. but he didn't. it was meant to forshadow what he is in the current arc
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>>101074247
fair enough, I see what you mean.
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>>101073264

we even see it through the dialogue, vergo thinks incredibly lowly of law. he underestimates him at every step, constantly patronizing him (such as making him say vergo san) and generally not taking him seriously. he knew law would cut there, but he underestimated how strong law was. its pretty simple.

also i never said his stomach was a weakpoint, the rest of his body was probably just as armored(or unarmored as the rest of his body...
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>>101071995
nami and robin serve no purpose other than having tits. Their development ended as soon as their intro arcs did.
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>>101075562
>Their development ended as soon as their intro arcs did.
Well you could say that for every other SH too. Besides the tits part.
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>>101075628
Except Usopp, Luffy, Zoro, Brooke.
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>>101075850
What character development have Brook and Zoro gone through since joining the crew besides "I want to get stronger"
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>>101071451

If sanji ever does use okama kenpo, and I pray to oda that he does, we already know exactly how it'll go down.

>Sanji getting the shit kicked out of him protecting the women/ship/mostly the women
>Holds on just long enough to let them escape
>Looks like he's going to lose, opponent makes some disparaging comment as Sanji stands back up
>"I couldn't use this with an audience, but now that it's just us"
>Two page spread
>Sanji takes up bon-chan stance
>(optional)"Okama-kenpo"
>Chapter end.
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>>101075908
Zoro went from grimdark loner to someone who would actually care about and protect annoying weaklings. I'd count Brooke as having grown since he joined but I could see if you didn't agree.
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Spoilers???
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>>101067312
I lost my shit when Dadan punched Garp. That and Brook's Solo performance
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>>101076326
Nigga Tuesday night as always
The chinks abandoned us



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