Who wins /a/?
despite how cool kira was DIO could easily beat him, maybe without even stopping time
Not even DIO can stop Sheer Heart Attack
he could just za warudo and kill kira before SHA had a chance to get to him
this is assuming they're fighting within a visible distance from each other though
Im sure he wouldnt care that much unless it would explode at his head
if anyone here actually doesn't understand king crimson then they need to leave
1.) Dio doesn't need the stand to win. He's abnormally fast and the only opponent Kira fought that was even remotely competent in their stand was Jotaro and even then he was still nowhere near Dio's level.
2.) Za Warudo means that Kira's stand can't even touch Dio.
3.) Kira couldn't kill any of the cast of the arguably weakest Jojo set up with any real ease. Dio fucking demolished an entire of experienced stand masters and would have beaten Jotaro if not for 'Suddenly I have the same stand power despite never having it before' which is probably the worst moment in the series based on creative ability and stand flexibility.
4.) Laser Eye Blood beams > normal people who aren't Ripple users.
I agree with this except Jotaro was definitely around DIO's level
>implying Dio uses vampire powers after gaining his stand
he drained joseph's blood which last time I checked was a vampire power
Do Italians really look like that?
Do japs really look like this?
Final Killer Queen with another one bites the dust and stray cat beat Dio easily.
The world only lasts for a second. Even Jotaro's the world lasts 2 seconds. Dio has potential and would be the strongest fuck ever if they didn't killed him so soon.
>the world only lasts for a second
did you even read part 3?
I had Jotaro's the world in mind. I admit I rushed trough it because I couldn't relax with all those parts coming.
>rushing the most iconic part
>posting villains who actually die
Dio's The World lasts 9 seconds per use.
Jotaro's lasts 5 seconds at its best i.e fighting Kira or Gucci.
Dio was a better stand user than Jotaro at using the world. Problem was that Josuke pulled out his secret deus ex machina with no rhyme or reason to it. Star Platinum was better as a high attack, high defence, low range stand with self defence protocols. Giving him Dio's stands unique power just because devalued Dio's threat as a stand user other than that Dio could use his longer.
Star Platinum would have done better as a intervention stand and been throwing things in the way of Dio so that when Time Stop dropped, he would have to dodge cars and barrels and shit and thus allow the creative use thing to remain. Star Platinum having The World's sole unique factor ruined the entire climax.
>posting villains who got duped
I think one thing that everyone forgets is that Dio only lost because he got cocky and didn't keep an eye on the time.
Even with Jotaro's pulling out time stop out of Star Platinum's ass Dio would have still been able to beat him. I mean he literally got hit with sunlight as he was about to finish Jotaro off.
Dio lost because of his own hubris, not due to a lack of ability.
His automatic stand will keep coming even if Kira himself is gone, he can just turn himself into a bomb to stop Dio from touching him, and Another One Bites the Dust is the most dangerous of all if Dio knows Kira's identity and there are random people nearby.
He is Japanese. His hair color changed.
Kira didn't have power on his side, but by using his mind and being careful he did nearly take out Jotaro on his first meeting, killed him and Josuke with Another One Bites the Dust, and he was close to taking down Josuke in one on one despite the stat difference there as Josuke was above Jotaro in power.
He's a guy very good at using everything in his surroundings in a fight and keeping cool. Even against opponents who overpower him Kira still proves himself to be one of the toughest at times.
doesn't bites the dust only work if someone is around to put it in?
He's also got Jonathan's British gentleman genes too.
It's a shame every other one of Dio's bastard children didn't get lucky in that regard. Especially the guy who got underworld and ended up getting hit with Holes tier bad luck.
He was about to kill everyone in the cast at the end of part four by using it on a random civilian nearby, and since everyone knew his identity at that point it would have been auto-death.
It's something that will only take effect if there's a random third party to use it on, but if he can use it then it's unstoppable.
so this whole fight mainly depends on who can get their moves off faster then
I'm pretty sure that his goal was to use it on himself and then blow himself into the past to try again.
It is a slightly confusing ability
Another one bites the dust was broken, though it only exists so it can pose a threat to the other stands.
I mean re-read the chapter I'm certain that he was trying to blow himself into the past by using Another One Bites the Dust on himself.
He even assumes that it worked when it ends up in the purgatory section of Morioh.
Dio, no contest. ZA WARLDO and toss knives in his face.
Can Kira defeat Cars?
>implying he isn't Jojolion's final boss
He might've thought it more that the loop ends when he declares his victory since he never successfully used that ability before so his knowledge on it is a bit sketchy. Either that or the fact that no one was around mean he had finished them off, but that's a valid interpretation as well of course.
each antagonist is meant to be stronger than the last
Actually, if Kira is able to touch Kars or activate ATBD, Kars would die
If Kira can only plant ABTD in non-stand users, could he plant it in Kars, then trick Kars into blowing himself up?
Meant to be, but no way Kira could beat Dio. Timestop 2op.
The main problem I have with the idea that he was planning to blow himself back to the past, is mainly how that's not quite how the ability works. There's no method that really sends you back in time; rather it implants a bomb inside someone, the trigger is telling them a secret if I recall, from then on if anyone asks about that secret or finds out then they die, and it becomes a fixed loop that repeats any time someone new dies because of the secret. People that learn the truth in previous loops will be destined to die in all following loops regardless of how, but the second Kira dissolved the ability it becomes fixed as a result and the loop stops as they all die at once. There's a bit more to it of course, but the part about sending yourself away is sketchy.
Sheer heart attack lives inside Dio's mind
if Dio can move around in 0 time then the stand which is part of him can and boom
Well, if he ends the ability after someone is destined to have died they die, if he does it before they live
That was the race against the clock moment when Josuke fought him finally, and forced him to defend. The main weakness of AOBTD is that Kira himself does not know what happens in the loops.
SHA won't do shit to DIO because he is a vampire, therefore he doesn't have any body temperature.
idk if he has no temperature but your post made me realize he can easily freeze his blood and then have basically no temperature
I don't think DIO could figure that out quickly enough, he fell for Jotaro's silly magnet trick after all.
Step away, best Stand coming through.
how fast could kira figure out that only destroying DIO's head would do any damage?
That doesn't matter, Killer Queen destroys the entire body without leaving a trace
are you saying DIO would just stand there and let it hit him directly? plus if he saw it coming then he could use the world and kill kira right there. kira wouldn't have time to set up a trap if it was DIO's first stand use
Like that other anon said, Dio can be pretty gullible
Dio's just a brute who's more lucky than smart.
Unfortunately for him, Kira's lucky too.
gullible is one thing, but we're talking like if DIO saw SHA or something else kira threw at him and just did nothing about it
>who's more lucky than smart.
Dio's plenty smart his only flaw is his arrogance
kira was also pretty arrogant. He was smarter than DIO strategically, but idk if that could beat the world if he hadn't seen it a few times
Pre-SBR Dio's probably the least clever of the main Jojo antagonists revealed so far. For all his talk of tactics and intellect, his campaigns in Phantom Blood and Stardust Crusaders revolve around being OP (and having dumb luck nearly on par with Pocoloco). Instead of using his powers creatively besides the part with the knives, he simply believes (can a monkey defeat a man?! Which is, by itself, an idiotic argument as a lot of monkeys can) that brute forcing things once he gets to a position of strength is all he needs in comparison to his fellow villains with the freezing touch being the only brilliant thing he's ever done. Even the Pillar Men and Kira, who had the most overtly destructive abilities showcased so far, still deigned to use those skills strategically.
Dio is actually pretty goddamn intelligent.
Anyways, vampires like Dio can regenerate from being blown to pieces. Most broken vs broken ability fights tend to go with whoever attacks first, and his healing gives Dio at least one more chance at killing Kira.
Not that it'd likely come to that. Bites the Dust is no good in a 1v1. Dio can probably freeze his body fluids to vex SHA (or just use his vampiric agility to outrun it). And Killer Queen's range is pathetically limited even if it could throw just one bomb-charged object at a time.
Dio would dominate Kira.
Killer Queen doesn't blow the targets to bits
It erases the target so no evidence can be found anymore, by completely destroying it with internal explosion.
If Jotaro's punch explosion killed him then this really will kill him, and yes it will.
If DIO and Diavolo used their stands at the same time who would win?
People tend to forget DIO was a lawyer and reads all day, he is bretty gud with the smarts.
diavolo he can see into the future and would cancel dio's time stop
Diavolo was truly insane if this was the power he desired before he even had a stand. It requires a whole different sort of thinking to even try to understand it.
It can go either way depending on the circumstances. Dio would win in a head on 1-on-1 fight against Kira. His vampire abilities make him extremely strong in those kind of fights. Then when you add his time stop ability he could easily close gaps and access the situation. Kira could win if they fought indirectly and he could have prep time for his abilities and setting traps; or using sunlight if he figures out the vampirism. Still not 100% for him though since DIO can play that game as well. For as cool and as many abilities Kira was able to get with Killer Queen, I don't think they can match up to how powerful DIO was made to be.
Nope not even close. Diavolo would see him dying KC himself behind Dio after the mudda stops and punch his head in. The end.
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Diavolo, because erased time kind of cancels other shit in an odd way, and I think it lasts a bit longer than time-stop.
How does that prove anything?
So Crimson lets Diavolo travel five seconds into the future, anywhere he wants in a certain area?
No, it's more like this
Looking at this image, it looks like a photo done for a school yearbook.
>all the weird shit largely came from Cars who crash landed in Morioh long before the town was established,
>it's the same Cars from the original timeline, unaffected by Pucci's reality warping, instead crash landing to earth several centuries earlier thanks to him.
>all the crazy shit is an expression on how much he'd lost his mind since Part 2.
DIO, I don't know why you guys have such a hard on for Killer Queen
>he returns to Earth
>thinks EVERYTHING is a massive ruse by Joseph
If he sees where the mudda stops and Dio is standing, walks through and sets up the shot in the time that's erased then yes. He did shit exactly like that in his first appearance.
Killer queen is the coolest looking stand (though I'm only on part 6) but it doesn't have the coolest ability
Mark my words, when Jojo's is getting ready to actually end,
the final boss will be named after Elvis.
King Crimson has a 2 stage attack, first it uses Epitaph to see the result, then it deletes everything leading up to that result.
So actually, an easy way of explaining his time skip is that he's flinging himself into the future, even though that's not the case and it's not just him that's getting sent to the future.
I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.
King Crimson deletes time.
ZA WARUDO stops time.
>not hanged man
It's a strange concept to wrap your head around, it's like the idea that you're stopping time for a certain amount of time. It's easy to take it at face value, but when you really think about it's fucking bizarre.
>J GEIL PARTNER WE ARE TRULY AN INVINCIBLE DUO!
Can't wait for that fight be adapted again, its one of the most interesting fights in Part 3. Also Hol Horse.
and every other fight pretty much I am so hype for stardust anime
isn't sex pistols just a better version of emperor? why did hol horse get gypped? ;_;
Not really in my opinion.
>A gun is fired
The world's time stop would halt the bullet in its path momentarily from your point of view for a moment, and then would resume its path.
King Crimson's power would take the path of the bullet, calculate how far it would go in the alotted time, and then literally shift the bullet ahead through time to that point instantaneously.
The real question comes from if Diavolo can move or not during that time.
Even if he can though, it'd still shift to the point where it would be from there.
It's like if you're watching a video on youtube right?
The world would pause it and then unpause it.
King Crimson would cause it to appear stopped, but in actuality it's lagging, and it would then resume a few seconds later.
I guess the easiest way to think about it would be the state things are in AFTER its power is used.
The world being the same, King Crimson being further ahead.
Obviously it's got a few holes in it, like if Diavolo truly was deleting time, he wouldn't be able to prevent a gunshot to his head, he'd only be able to disorient people with the appearance of pulling the trigger and then instantly being on the floor with a hole in his head, no bullet skipping past him.
If he can interact with the environment during KC's active period, then what rules dictate the interaction of objects in the null time?
Sex Pistols can't control speed or trayectory as well as emperor, neither work if Mista has ran out of bullets.
Not better just different, Hol Horse can completely control his bullets within his field of vision, whilst, Sex Pistols can reflect a bullet 6 times and can hit a dead angle. Also, the emperor is itself a gun that Hol Horse pulls out of himself, whilst Sex Pistols requires a real gun.
Dio can just shoot him with Eye lasers while time is stopped.
Remember he didn't lose those powers Akira admitted it was just too broken a combo to write.
I'm pretty sure he can move, just can't attack. He attacks right as the skip ends which makes King Crimson's physical attacks really hard to deal with but not impossible.
Otherwise he would have been invincible.
It's the opposite actually. Time stop for Dio is 11 seconds Diavolo skips 10.5
>>Josuke above Jotaro in power
Not how it works
Even if you shot a gun during time stop, the bullet would just stop seconds after leaving the barrel at best. In this case Dio is the barrel here, so at worst he'd have liquid lasers stuck in his eyes because the only thing that can move in that moment is him, and the second something leaves his body it's no longer him.
But were they still stuck in the skipped time when Diavolo bashed Giogio's head in?
Keep in mind there was blood and shit but no one other than GER and Diavolo moved.
When Jotaro fought Josuke in the first chapter of part four.
>josuke above jotaro
But he can move objects during the stilled time, so wouldn't the eye liquid move the already ejaculated eye liquid.
Something cool that I think isn't really used in fiction would be to have every external process be unaffected by the user.
As in you can't breathe because you don't need to, let's just say you move without your body or brain actually doing anything.
But water and kicked up sand are rock solid.
Maybe have air bend around you, kind of like a hydrophobic surface underwater, just because that shit'd be impossible to write around otherwise.
Stuff like that.
I think something like that, in any story, would add to a time stop power. As it'd eliminate a bit of confusion
Only when he gets his hair insulted by Jotaro and because he underestimated Josuke's power.
Once it leaves his body it's no longer considered to be him, unless he was to physically move the eye bullet along with his hands until it reached the target while in time stop. Either that or the slightly more logical choice of just getting in too close to dodge anymore and then firing something that stops mere inches away from the person in question.
Are you niggas forgetting how Buccellati got fucked while time was erased? Diavolo not attacking is bull. His time skip is practically the same as Dio's time stop in that regard.
They're stuck in that time still continues on its course.
He's the only one who can move normally and understands the flow during erased time. There are some big differences though, as everything still moves during erased time for one thing, but they have no memory of what happened after the skip.
There's a video around here that should show how it works pretty well.
Yeah but if the liquid can get a milimeter from his body it would still move forward.
If Dio had a stick and continued to pock a rock forward in stilled time the rock would still move eventhough only the stick is touching it since his hand is touching the stick.
So the liquid that is frozen in time would still be moved by the liquid that is still moving with time.
So, Kira is David Bowie and Jotaro is Clint Eastwood.
Are there another real-life counterparts of JoJo characters?
No, they look like sandniggers who will fucking kick your leg from under you if you warn people they're scamming them on the streets.
God, Rome is shit.