Hey /a/ I have a question for all of you.
Have we admitted anime is mainstream in the west yet?
Because it clearly is:
>Space dandy premiering dubbed before subbed
>bleach, naruto and one piece getting millions of views on toonami http://www.tvmediainsights.com/tvratings/38808/adult-swim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-jan-13-2014/
>IGN actually rating openings.
Plus the quality of this board is deteriorating. The next question would be does this worry anybody?
How do their views compare to shows like The Following? Anime will never be mainstream (thankfully)
And /a/ was always shit. But everywhere else on the internet is worse.
>Anime will never be mainstream
It already is.
Almost every western university has an anime club.
Almost every animation fan knows of at least one of the "big" three. They may not know as much as the average poster here. But they think they do.
>Only 2% of all profits for the anime industry come from outside Japan.
>Almost every western university has an anime club.
Who are a tiny subculture compared to the rest of their school. Anime reached its height in the late 90s, and weeaboos have been claiming supremacy ever since.
Most universities will have a tabletop gaming society, that doesn't mean that DnD is mainstream.
>Big three etc popular
Yes, and? The kind of faggots who watch them dubbed on toonami don't go any further into anime anyway.
Why? It fits the topic
before DBZ and pokemon successfully conqured america... does anyone here remember how anime in america was almost synonymous with 'hentai' back in the first half of 1990's?
It is growing in popularity, I will give you that.
But mainstream? Not a chance.
Space Dandy and the Big Three are but the few anime that carter to a western audience and keep it in mind respectively.
Come back when mainstream public figures even talk about their opinions on the subject, when some anime that carters to western audiences becomes as mainstream as GoT, Breaking Bad and Adventure Time, or when we start seeing anime movies being shown on cinemas in a world-wide or even national scale.
I can certainly agree with the fact that the board is deteriorating, but then again it is all because of rec threads and people who create threads to bitch about the state of the board.
Because you're either underage or a fat spic
It still is for the most part. When you tell the average guy "I watch anime" they either think about Dragonball Z and Naruto or Hentai. That image hasn't been erased, we just threw more ingredients into the mix
But when you make something like space dandy you start giving them more. They don't search out for more animated shows like that and start experimenting they sit there comfortable at midnight waiting for the next shonen on a platter.
I don't understand how that would be relevant
The boat has long since sailed. The amount of anime that comes on during the good hours (see, just after school) is pretty damn limited. And you have to fight the decades old stereotype.
So no, anime will never be mainstream.
It makes your argument invalid.
anime is not becoming mainstream in the west. We might have distorted perception of this. IGN and shit seeks novelty and clickbaits weebs, who also happen to be very vocal, but a minority.
Having seen anime other than big three and DBZ is something people claim to have done to appear as well cultured and open, but you know it's bullshit.
No normalfag will want a piece of cake he'd be sharing with yaoi fangirl hambeast. Anime is not 'in' like video games. And hopefully will never be.
There's a massive difference between streaming shonens on 420NarutoStream.trojans.ru and a maybe few Ghibli movies compared to the average /a/non who has seen hundreds of show and watches dozens of currently airing seasonals.
The people who are in the first category find this pic funny, that's kind of people they are
Maybe more popular in the "casual" anime community.
Never will be popular in mainstream.
Anime will be forever niche.
Also, this board is deteriorating but if you learn how to hide shitposting threads, your experience on here will be, overall, positive.
I hate people that form an identity and put a name to some hobby they have.
Do you hate being called /a/non, then?
>learn how to hide shitposting threads
Link me to one thread that isn't just people shitflinging at each other over opinions or a circlejerk general. Link me to one that has actual civil discussion going on. I bet you can't even fucking do it.
No one calls us that outside this place.
And I hope it stays like that.
I only call people anon here so I can identify you. Would you prefer I call everyone here steve?
You're a retard, steve.
>you learn japanese from classes, we learn from shows
I don't refer to myself as such.
not that anon, but I don't reveal my powelevel outside of /a/ on the internet and IRL in general.
Best we can do to mantain narutard moat around anime is to conceal powerlevel and disencourage normals to watch "this this chinese shit"
>You're a retard, steve
My name's not steve
Hey, one thing's for sure though when it comes to anime...
Anime that's NOT AIRED midnight to early morning (3AM) in Japan is sure to be popular in America... with some exceptions (SAO, Dandy)
Try France if you want mainstream acceptance for Anime/Manga. Chinese cartoons are still viewed as childish/perverted in the rest of the world.
Can I call you anon?
What do I call you?
Aren't most of them just commercials for kids toys?
>disencourage normals to watch "this this chinese shit"
While I do practice the art of concealing powerlevel, if someone does express genuine interest in anime I'm not about to discourage them just because they're 'normalfags' or whatever.
>It exists in the west therefore its main stream
You have a really relaxed definition of mainstream. Comics exist in the west and aren't mainstream, even despite all the references and movies.
You're mixing mainstream anime with niche otaku anime.
Just because a handful of shows have some mainstream popularity doesn't mean that anime as a whole is "mainstream"
>even despite all the references and movies.
You have an even weirder definition of mainstream.
>You only feel what your favorite person feels, we feel what everyone else is feeling
What is this trying to say? Cause I almost feel insulted.
If someone does express genuine interest in anime then they will look for it themselves. Google is their friend.
If you really care about your friend sharing your interests, at most give him a heads-up when he is watching utter shit or give him a thumbs-up if he comes to you with anime he found interesting and wants your opinion on.
I think I'm bleeding after reading that
Though I don't think anime in general is going to be mainstream in the near future, it is interesting how a LN is being adapted into a huge Hollywood blockbuster.
But they exist in the same realm.
What I mean is if these mainstream shows are proving popular what's to say more studios start making western funded shows for a quick buck?
All I'm saying is that shit like comics has way more exposure and is still worlds away from mainstream. Anime isn't much different and what's more it has far less mass exposure (which is what often draws in the normalfag masses thus making it mainstream). Its not that hard to understand.
well I had moderation in mind writing this. I wouldn't dicourage genuine interest, but rather people who just seen IGN's top ten OPs and now say they gonna "watch some Lain because shit is dope" and will come back to talk shit about it. While Lain is good and I like it very much you can probably tell how it will be percieved. Same on the other end of spectrum, I'd disencourage watching SnK because it might actually catch interest of those people and it would attrack al the wrong people in the end to shit on Lain eventually.
> same realm.
It's different realms. One broadcasts at 8am or 6pm. Other broadcasts at 1am.
Of course, it all gets mixed and scrambled when you download from torrent sites or watch at CR.
I fucking hate how some think that the Big 3 is all there is to anime. Or is just limited to shounenshit and battleshit. They even talk like they shit about anime.
And what I'm saying is I worry anime may get to whatever stage comic book are at.
With live action adaptations and millions of newfags trying to get in on the craze. But they only promote the newest crap.
In the late 1970s through the mid 80s western television stations showed a fair bit of anime (battle of the planets, robotech, star blazers, astro boy, voltron). They did so primarily to cash in on star wars hype and later on to compete with the transformers.
As an oldfag we watched these after school, and robotech was especially popular.
Anime peaked in the west in around 1999-2000 when even small cities began to see "japanophile' theme stores appearing in strip malls. These had a large video section, plus wall scrolls, traditional Japanese clothing, J-pop, and fancy tea sets. Most of all they had pokemon cards and plushies which sold extremely well. Anime was on the verge of breaking into the mainstream and more and more was appearing on late night TV.
Manga Video ads (mostly showing scenes from Ninja scroll and other violent series) aired on regular tv. It was a pretty annoying commercial because it had this bald guy yelling "mangAAAAAAA!" really loud.
Then it all came crashing down and most companies folded. The local japanophile stores all vanished and most people lost interest.
You're making some very large logical leaps there that I feel are not based on anything but your assumptions.
and the fact it was adopted scenario from Japan will remain trivia for fans to actually remember. Ask ten people on the streets wether the magnificent seven was a remake or original sript.
It has Akira Kurosawa listed in writers but hardly anyone knows about it.
Like the pacific rim was loudly inspired by some anime, but i bet not even a fraction of people who went to see in the cinema ever checked out eva or whatnot
Don't let anime become mainstream further in 'Merica!
Massification of it will only end up in disaster, and once 'Merica become #1 customer for anime outside Japan more more 'Mericans watching anime will start demanding PC-fication to be implemented in every anime and no-fun social justice themes.
Because in the end, here in 'Merica the customer is always "right"
Something similar happened in Spain in the middle 90s.
Of course, now with the crisis everything is going to shit because who wants to spend money in manga/cartoons when the gas bill as tripled.
>Have we admitted anime is mainstream in the west yet?
>What I mean is if these mainstream shows are proving popular what's to say more studios start making western funded shows for a quick buck?
Back-pedaling, but for the sake of argument let's roll with it. They are not "proving popular" Space Dandy and The Big 3 only target small demographics in comparison to mainstream shit that is at the top charts right now, like GoT and BB.
Everyone who sees potential in the western anime industry realizes that you can make money more easily through DVD, BD and merchandise sales.
If that still doesn't disprove your point, you could at it from a culture perspective and see that "anime" as we know is incompatible with the west and must be changed accordingly if by some miracle they ever become mainstream. Something the Japs will never ever do. Japs pride themselves in their culture and their people and government make preserving the eastern culture a top priority. That being said, Japan would object to having to carter to western culture and in turn give a bastardized image of theirs to the world, when they could just as easily make money selling over-priced BD to the minority.
I think in order for something to be more mainstream it has to come on in copious capacity on more than just one channel (no Nicktoons does not count)
I kinda agree, it's almost 2am for me and it's been a long day. I reread my post and I realise I made few shortcuts in the argument, but I believe I still managed to explain my point of view. Sorry for rambling tone.
shit man... even a hentai title is being turned into Hollywood starring Samuel Jackson
>Anime reached its height in the late 90s
And an interesting coincidence here, the impressionable young children during the 90s anime boom are now college aged. The Toonami reboot was fueled almost entirely by nostalgia as well. Along with all of the hype surrounding Space Dandy. This is just overgrown hipsters refusing to let go. They won't dip their toes any deeper into the medium. The average weeb who keeps up with the big three isn't going to have any stake in the direction the Japanese animation industry takes.
>one anime block that airs late at night on one channel has more viewers than expected
That's not mainstream, that's niche. Mainstream when anime is being broadcast on half a dozen channels throughout the week with prime time slots, and when it's used in mainstream advertisements for things like cars, beer, and video games. Mainstream doesn't mean confined to a specific programming block with none of its shows advertised to the public at large.
exactly. Even though show might premiere in US before JP doesn't mean it's mainstream or cultural invasion. anime watchers are consumers, money, they constitute a market. US TV show audience is where billions lie and JP want's some of the cake too, so they try promote their own thing. Fact that they made dub for SD only underlines that they aimed with it for casuals in the US, they know core audience watches subs and buys blurays
Kite isn't hentai, it just has a shit load of sexual content in it.
For someone bleating about knowing their shit you certainly don't.
Wrong. In order for Umetsu to actually get the project off the ground he had to let it be porn. Later editions have since trimmed this out.
>Kite isn't hentai
Right, and Mezzo Forte is just super refined adult entertainment.
I'm sure Hollywood will release chopped & screwed version on theaters... and stay true to source by adding the H for Not-Rated Bluray release.
it was the director who claimed being influenced by eva or patlabot or something, not going to link clickbait sources, google influences behind the pacific rim and check for yourself. Whether it's pacific rim and eva or whatever other example is hardly relevant for the argument. Other than implying you don't seem to have any actual arguments against that.
>In order for Umetsu to actually get the project off the ground he had to let it be porn. Later editions have since trimmed this out.
Japan seems so weird about this. Like with Fate series, it seems like the sex scenes were just spliced in so they could call it an Eroge, like they were afraid it wouldn't sell without sex, then Type-Moon just makes Realta Nua and takes all the sex out of it like they were embarrassed of it.
Realta Nua was PS2 release, so.
I just threw up a little
i suppose they are split between catering either to kids or adults, and better yet, doing it at the same time
Its not even mainstream in Japan.
dont forget about LWA which was funded by american otaku dollars.
>Eva plastered over everything everywhere
But only otaku and Children watch it, it isnt universally popular like DBZ or Pokemon was in the 90s in the west, I am pretty sure anyone in their 20s or 30s watched DBZ or Pokemon when they were younger. . Manga would be more mainstream in Japan.
the key point is that it was funded, and they can't care les by whom as long as it's money. What you're going to do, make them have american flag banners around the edge of the screen all the time? LWA was funded by anime mirai first and foremost, follow up was funded by kickstarter individual people backed, wether american or bosnian or nigger is irrelevant.
>Plus the quality of this board is deteriorating
When you go from one of the worse boards to something beyond, you know something got fucked up.
Actually he is right.
Although the sub-culture built around it is certainly noticeable, it is nothing more than that, a sub-culture. One that is frowned upon, even.
Logical thinking will tell you that Japanese companies overprice their BDs because if they want to make money they have to carter to the minority that actually goes out of their way and spends their whole salaries on merchandising and BDs.
They made RN because the anime was popular and wanted it to appeal to a wider demographic than the one they essentially conquered with the PC release, so a non eroge on the PS2 makes sense.
How does its mainstream appeal today compare to anime's popularity in the West from the original Toonami Era to, I don't know 2007? I was under the impression that its popularity and potential for mainstream appeal peaked then and then greatly died away. Doesn't help that there's no longer a mainstream outlet, like evening Toonami, to get kids and new blood into the hobby. When I was in middle school, DBZ was huge, and kids would discuss shows like Yu Yu Hakusho.
Go to startpage and search "anime recommendations. Is the stuff you see really what represents the best of the medium, what you would want someone you like and think is intelligent to see?
A friend of mine who got into anime years after I did said he just googled anime reviewers/anime critics and soon found gigguk and GRarkada. No matter how shit their opinions and humors are, reviewers try to talk about shows that are popular or utter shit. If I remember correctly, he first watched Fate/Zero, SAO and then Oreimo or some shit.
Again, even if you think these are shit, which in this case I do, it opens them up for interaction with related series and hell, even /a/. Of course my friend listened to me and just lurked and soon found refuge in the Non Non Biyori and Yuri Yuri threads.
When I meant they can use google, I meant use google intelligently. If you assume your friend will just type anime recommendations on google then he is a fucking retard.
Then we get to this question: Why would you want to introduce a retard to anime?