So I finally finished this an hour ago, wow, what a ride. Even if the ending novel was a bit of a stumble I was glad the ending was good for them all. I kind of feel a bit empty now.
what was the ending? i only watched the anime, and have wanted to know how holo and lawrence ended up
I'm not gonna lie OP, the end of the novel leaves so many questions up in the air
don't get me wrong its a great ending and all, it just could be written far better, far more could be written about it
we literally need a book 16.5, theres too much missing between 16 and 17
Can you not see yourself reading the books? I watched the anime and just HAD to read the books to find out, I simply couldn't leave it like that.
not him but it took me about a month to read all the books from 1 through 17 including the side colors books
not every one takes the journey, many readers stick to the american releases which is limiting to the first 10 books so far and it won't finish to late 2016 when they're all released
I'd rather they just ended it officially on 16. And 17 could one of those out-of-story fan service books to reunite you with all the characters again.
I got a fan translation ebook of the series and read it all in about a week, I literally just finished 17 an hour ago while in bed. I'm still feeling that feel you get when you finally finished something you pored so much time into reading/watching
>about a week
2 books a day +? jesus do you even get out?
This is now a holo thread
Got some time off work and was bored, I downloaded a few recommendations like Outlaw Star and Darker Than Black, but I watch S&W first, but after Season 2 ending I just couldn't end it like that so I crammed as much time into finishing it as I could before I have to go back to work.
Thats a lot of fucking material anon like you should slow down
where? I'll suck ya dick
google Drunken Wolf Translations
Nah, book 17 should have covered all questions and shit created, satisfied that lawrence proposed to holo, had a real marriage, had their first real kiss after 16, then what 17 is now, it would have been perfect
I also got 5 Fable comic collections, my Dad gave me his crate with every Judge Dredd comics, I have 2 novels I ordered from way back and my brother gave me The Singing Detective complete series. I NEED MORE TIME DAMMIT
is it better translation than this?
I just feel sad for the two of them, it must be so painful watching yourself growing older and weaker while your wife stays the same as the day you proposed to her, while she too has to look at the love of her life wasting away in front of her.
I actually thought the story would ending a bit differently, with Lawrence eating some Narwhale and running off to Yoitsu with her.
I'm assuming it will be because the Drunken Wolf version has a few spelling and grammar errors in the later novels. Thing is I read so much bad translations and draft copies of stories sent to me I can overlook it. You'll notice it, but not enough to 'break immersion'.
I would've preferred it if they went beyond even that. Half the series kept pushing the point that Lawrence would die in Holo's lifetime. Why not actually show it? The result of having lived a happy life together, the merchant and wise wolf's legacy and perhaps even the crumbling of Holo's resolve to move on and find a new mate? It might not have been an ending that was diabetes-sweet and happy for a full 100%, but at least it's an ending.
Hell, at one point a Narwhale that could bring immortality appeared. Showed up once, then never again. I can understand the whole insignificant merchant not being worthy thing, but come on. It never even came to their minds for consideration.
I love the series for how different it was from your typical chinese cartoons, but the similarity came back in the end: both can't handle finales and epilogues.
it was rumored that narwal gave immortality
like the bones they were just a legend
>Ending with Lawrence dying in her arms, trying to keep her remembering the good times
No fuck that my heart couldn't take that siht
me neither, that'd be the worst thing for my heart
its ok to end it where it did
>theres too much missing between 16 and 17
Like what? I haven't read the novels.
I shouldn't spoil it for you
It's not as sad as you'd think it'd be. They would've lived a long and happy life together, their shop successful throughout the land, their children healthy and perhaps immortal enough to never have to pass away from their mother's side
Like an actual ending. I won't say more either.
basically it left a bunch of questions and desires by readers up in the air
Just do it, I'm the one asking. I already know they get together, open a shop, and holo is pregnant.
I think that's supposed to be left to our imagination now though. Everyone in the story, including the reader, knows Lawrence won't be her forever, so it's good enough to know she had the opportunity for true love.
the book never delves into when lawrence actually proposes to holo, nor their first kiss, no one knows what they did in the 5 years between 16 and 17 at all. No one knows what or why holo didn't want to go to yoitsu
simply too much is missing
Woah. So they just... get together, like, completely offscreen?
The thing that annoyed me with the last novel was how they structured it.
Epilogue (as in this was the end of the story, and our journey)
suddenly we get 3 more side chapters; one where Lawrence meets an old knight in an outpost in his pre-Holo days, one from Cole's perspective in Lenos, and then one where Holo and Lawrence stop off in a village after leaving Sovereign, where they decide to have sex by a stream. Then it's done, how fucking out of it is that.
>Holo and Lawrence stop off in a village after leaving Sovereign, where they decide to have sex by a stream.
I-I don't r-remember that when I read the novel.
yea, much of all that important shit is completely evaded and only referred to through slight and obfuscating references, nothing detained at all
When did this happen?
What in the fuck, why?
Why spend 16 novels building up a romance then skipping all of its resolution?
to be frank, the book would have ended very well on 16, the end implied that lawrence was going to propose to holo very soon after the conflict in Sovereign resolved fully
which would have been a good ending but 17 brought up too much stuff, things that the readers WANTED but nothing they wanted was answered in response
I don't wish to be mean, but this reads confusing as fuck. I barely got a third of what happens.
The last chapter in the series, it's called 'Wolf and the White Road'
fan translations for you
Actually it's written by Drunken Wolf Translations' editor :^)
This is a fan fiction ending to Wolf and White Road
Its not canon by any means, the ACTUAL story ends with them holding hands, not this fanfiction crap, its not even well written to know what its implying until you think of dark thoughts
dang you got me
I preferred it to what we actually got. But then I don't have a thing against decent fanfics, so that's probably why.
I didn't even like it, I thought it was a fan fiction ending depicting them making out, not fucking in the hay of someone's bunker in some nameless town outside Sovereign
Ah, so you're one of those "THEY MUST BE PURE" fans. Got it.
These 'gods' aren't actually immortal are they? It seems a bit strange how she's depicted as a young girl while Huskins, Hugh and the rabbit guy are depicted as old men
No, its not that, theres a way to write a fuck fic and then theres this, I literally didn't know what they were doing until I read it a second time because it wasn't in my mind that Holo and Lawrence's character would do that at all
Yes, it's a clue that they're either not really immortal, and actually just age slowly, or differently. Much like how Holo's friend died and left his claw behind.
They aren't "gods" per se
All gods are deities but not all deities are gods, Holo ages slowly like huskins, in fact Holo is actually very young despite being upwards of 600 years old, the way its depicted, Huskins the Golden Sheep must be in fact thousands
Yes, it's quite clearly a trollish ending. If you're after more explicit lemons there's a bunch of fanfic.net, including ones written by the same guy.
Yea, the guy wrote a big 35000 word one, as long as a book about how Holo and Lawrence's daughter explores south to learn of her parents or something or the legend or what ever, I didn't read much of it, not because it was bad but because I wasn't in the mood to read at the time
I think he was going for the pure approach, trying to hint at what they were doing. I kind imagine all the soppy Holo fans being too pleased to see
>and the shaft of Kraft pounded mercilessly into her she squealed in fits of passion, her nails plunging his skin, holding on for dear life
>"H-harder you fool! Oh~"
He also just wrote one between volumes 16 and 17, where Holo and Lawrence go on one last trip before they settle down. I kind of like how he doesn't just cheese it up entirely, but you're right - his writing style sure isn't what I'm used to for fanfics.
I guess, he could have been less ambiguous and vague if he was actually trying to describe that
I don't think he captures the characters correctly to fit their demeanor over the first 16 books, he gets it, just not all of the way
this accurately describes my reaction after finishing the series
Still there's a middle ground between "pounding in her furry cunt" and "embracing under the riversong of untold flowers blooming in the sky" type of lemon.
This guy went way overboard with the second, you can barely guess what the hell is going on there.
It's just bad writing.
I-I liked the story with young Fleur, she was qt ;_;
I'd say it's just intentionally obtuse, but if you must insist then go ahead. It's not like Isuna didn't dip into some rather questionable stuff here and there, so for all I know this guy's ending was also a parody/homage.
True, but show me one S&W fanfic that gets them even remotely close to right.
I'm afraid to ask this, but is there any other animes out there were I will care about the characters in it as much as I care about Lawrence and Holo?
Try Banner/Crest of the Stars.
the only mention of this I remember is that when holo was drunk, sleeping, lawrence had minor temptations but evaded entirely
Lawrence must have been so fucking blue balled to the point where when they did finally do it he came so much it was a guarantee she'd be pregnant.
Well from a more serious note, they're mildly flirtatious through out the whole book, holo usually flaunts her pride rather than her body any way
I didn't mean sex-related, I meant that there were places where his writing became unnecessarily obtuse. To be frank, I found S&W's lack of physical intimacy its tackiest and least believable aspect.
Hey /a/, did you know every time someone says animes another doujin of your waifu is made.
It's also ntr
He took his time to grow their relationship a lot, it became very meaningful after book 14, their bonds were strong
its just after 16 it was very anticlimactic and book 17 was a good ending it just left way too much stuff in the air, it was rushed and short
So what's Isuna doing now anyways? Isn't he just a college kid? I heard he tried a new book about a Millionaire girl but I never looked into it.
I blame book 8 and 9 where lawrences character went straight down the pooper
hes not doing much, hes doing some manga called medora de something.
I just mean that their intimacy was portrayed in purely hand-holding terms. To me, that cheapens it a bit. Thankfully it was good enough for me to get over it.
I guess I'd just have preferred this story if it got past the stupid kiss, and actually explored their relationship beyond that. S&W is a light novel, so my expectations weren't quite that high, but it would have been nice.
Yeah, I hate it when THE KISS happens and suddenly it's like nothing interesting whatsoever would be after that.
they never kissed in the story, like the wedding, it was just passed off as a reference in book 17 and you never actually get to experience it
Magdala de Nemure. He's also busy getting his VN onto Steam.
I prefer treating those volumes like I do non-canon fanfiction.
Were they so bad?
Spoilered for the hell of it. It would have been better if he just stuck the landing and ended it at 16, I think. Volume 17 came off as a bit of a troll in that regard.
>Magdala de Nemure
Is this any good? I tried doing a search but there's not much info on it, it just said it's about an Alchemist chick who's on a death sentence and is protected by knights
They were ok, but in hindsight it felt like he had no idea what to write, so he stalled for time with that arc. Ultimately it just served to make Lawrence more pathetic.
I think there was a story that he was rushed by yen press to release a 17th book for some reason, the epilogue should have been a huge book on its own, they could have covered the wedding, the kiss the everything, then had an intermission for 5 years later then had the epilogue for 17
Five chapters in, and it's starting to look like it might be a decent read. It's certainly worth a shot.
Yeah, I actually snorted out loud on the last line of their story. Just the sheer bluntness of ending it there.
>That was how the legendary hot springs resort “Spice and Wolf” was first unveiled to the public.
I thought that was a clever ending to it, that one sentence is good
its preceding set up was inevitably rushed
The anime presented their love very well.
I liked the dub a lot better for that, since Holo sounded more like a dignified and lonely woman.
>mfw listening to the OP everytime
you captured my thoughts
To be honest, I don't even care if he wrote about their first kiss, wedding, etc. I was just hoping for something less tedious than we got in 17, that's all. The only thing in that entire volume that felt like an ending-worthy moment was the baby reveal, and then he kept going with a story that felt like it belonged in the middle of the story.
Yeah it bugged me that the publisher would even pressure him to release it in that state. Surely they must have read a draft and thought 'this could do with some work'
I came here to check them and I see some faggot who likes S&W dub. Kill you are self.
Nice quints, shit taste
I thought they milked him for money
the ending of book 16 would have been ok with like 10 extra pages
not him, I enjoyed the dub, I liked her voice, not that screechy ass shit the ordinary anime was
>I like the dub more
SHITTIEST QUINTS EVER
>I liked the dub a lot better
Your capitalization and punctuation really adds to your opinion.
the dubbed voice was good though
Oh boy, the "Hey guize, I don't like dubs, am I cool nao?!" wagon's rolled in...
Have you people even sat down and watch the entire thing? Or do you blindly hate everything that's spoken in English?
I could not waifu Holo more harder after hearing that.
I hope you're glad that you wasted the only quints you're going to get in your life with a shitty post showing how shit your taste is.
Holo sounded better in english
her whiny fuck voice in wapanese was awful
I prefered the dub as well. Jap's just not a good language for low key moments, more suited for action.
>liking high pitched jap horo over glorious sexvoice dub horo
The dub script makes things clearer. On the other hand, it sounds like shit. On the other hand, it's in 5.1, and the original jap's in 2.0. On the other hand, I actually liked the Japanese voices.
Yen press? What would yen press have to do with anything? They are an English publisher so that seems extremely inaccurate.
I'm ashamed that the quint god would bless someone like you with quints
Who ever the japanese publisher is then
Dub's fine. Sub's fine. If nothing else, Tatum at least understood Lawrence's character. Jun was still in his obnoxious pre-Panda "everybody sounds like Lelouche" phase.
Why? because I'm supposed to stick with a girly voice, since it's "traditional"?
It's fact. there are some and I mean SOME dubs that are good.
Stop being so fucking ignorant.
Since naruto thread died
Okay back, sorry about that.
Where was I?
>Facebook thing / Fakku / Wrestling right?
>Decide that it must have been a fluke or something
>week passes by
>she asks if she wants to join her at the movies with all her friends
>says her qt pie friend I have a crush on is going
>go to movies
>no one else but me and her show up
>she says it must have been the wrong address or something
>constantly touching my hand
>keeps acting like its an accident
Lawrence loses his character like half way into book 8 when he goes full jew "I can make money off of this towns huge conflict" and then in the end none of anything ever resulted in any benefit toward him except Eve giving Lawrence her full name and some letter to present to the monastery in the Winfield Kingdom
some anon's wanted the story between me and my sister in a narutard thread but it died and this was the only link I found in the thread
is she actually a qt or is she a butterface?
Sorry, keep looking for a narutard thread to pop up.
She's a decent 8/10 I suppose, had a few boyfriend but never went too far she said
Well "I suppose" you should determine if you find her attractive and if she is take haste
Did you fuak her?
A bit late to the thread but glad you liked it OP. Personally if the series hadn't been rushed so much and came out with more 'complete' ending it would have been my GOAT anime.
what does GOAT stand for?
everytime I see it and say "GOAT ANIIME"
Greatest Of All Time (ANIMMMUUUU)
Used to use it as Game of all time but when it adapted to other things you just swapped game for Greatest.
the book would be my GOAT if it didn't end like ass
still a great read
At this point I'm craving something to read with the same character that S&W had, if there isn't something to come out in the following years I'm just going to go fucking quit my job as a butcher and go get a fancy English degree and start spewing out loads novels.
Why the sudden change in career?
>If I can't find my waifu, I'll make my waifu!
yea, SnW is that one anime/book I find superior to all the rest, I don't get that feel I get with other animes as I do Holo
Spice and Wolf's actually good enough that I'd consider writing a proper novel adaptation for it. I think it would benefit from having a more cohesive overall narrative, especially in the middle parts. But then I'm sure all the fans would cry foul, so what's the point.
You don't even need that, in brutal honesty S&W is a badly written story, it was written by a Uni student and it shows. But the author managed to grasp that one thing that can redeem a novel; memorable and engaging characters, in fact he did that so well he managed to create 17 books with little to no action, just character interaction. And it paid off.
That's really all you need to catch that magic, make a story where people care about your characters, and you're away.
You don't give it enough credit
we harp on the flaws because we hate the flaws, I did love the story, everything it provided, I love the characters, the themes, and settings
but we harp on flaws, give credit where its due, it was a nice story albeit it got rocky at the end
I'm being harsh with it because I'm comparing it to western novels, which to tend to have better strength in most areas apart from the characters.
It's funny whenever I hear some fag that is probably some normalfag spout shit about how god tier everything is written (especially western stuff) compared to Light Novels.
And once you actually open a book you realize it's fucking horrible.
Just fuck off.
I didn't get the gist nor the inference that you were referencing western novels in that post
It's simply a matter of wanting to polish it, precisely because it feels like the commercial aspects of book-writing got in the way, and there are some whiffs of cultural compromise here and there.
I doubt the fandom would want to honestly pitch in for that kind of effort, though. Even if someone else did the bulk of the work. And if someone did it on their own, they would inevitably throw tantrums that it wasn't exactly what they wanted.
Far easier to just write an original book and avoid that. But it doesn't change the fact that I feel it's a story well worth polishing into something a little closer to timeless.
What a fucking crybaby lamo
Now don't be upset, just because something has flaws doesn't mean it has to be bad.
you mean everything hitler raged about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JaWgayhYeY
yea pretty much
I like that everyones mad about these quints
it shows that they just like being mad
because the voice acting in the dub for holo was sexy
>hey guys I really like x over y
>NO YOU DONT WHAT YOU LIKE IS SHIT AND EVERYTHING YOU ARE IS SHIT
True ending right here. it's better than the canon and you know it
>did you do her yet
why is she so pretty?
because we know the character behind her or the art design is brilliant?
he says that in the anime. you didn't drop after ep 3 did you??
She has a very simple design, but her face is drawn in a way that shows her full of soul, emotion, feeling what have you
I knew where this was going just on that first paragraph, I don't think I need to read more even when taking a look below, Dildo becomes prevalent
read the last 2 paragraphs for super happy ending.
also, don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
I don't need to try my food to know its burnt shit
yeah, but burnt food can be tasty too. like the cheese on top of pizza, or the burnt part of meat.
No when I mean burnt food I mean not casual char found on steak, I mean "I left the hotpocket in the microwave for 30 minutes" burnt
I just feel sorry you will never experience the bliss that comes from prostate stimulation.
keep responding like that. you'll get curious one day. then you'll finger your ass. or ask a romantic partner to do so for you. then you'll remember what an idiot you were in these threads.
You're the one who will never shoot your load clear across the room.
>implying I don't shoot my load across the sky
how do you think shooting stars form?
Sorry for being slightly off-topic but do any of you happen to have an appchan/oneechan Holo mascot that isn't lewd? I've had the same one for forever now.
How cute. And dainty. I'll bet you only use two fingers and not your entire hand, too.
I can't find a cosplay of holo that doesn't look fucking retarded
well yeah, if anyone took no fap 2k13 seriously that'd happen.
you're only denying yourself pleasure. the prostate is the equivalent of a woman's g-spot.
Also, why must we have these fights in every Spice and Wolf thread. I KNOW ITS YOU YOU HAVE THE SAME IMAGE NAMES.
>I am everyone in this thread
I am even you
That's not really what I had in mind. What I'm looking for is an image of holo with a transparent background so that I can have it on the side of my screen while I lurk 4chan.
I am Holo
but that's not your filename
Here maybe this will help a little.
a facepalming lawrence would have a better effect while browsing.
That reminds me of the time I wrote a script to change all the uses of the word "Peso" with Taco
Everytime Peso was used it would be replaced with Taco
In 2009, the GDP of Mexico was 21,000,000 Tacos
yeah, but I think pegging is awesome.
but I don't think you do, I am you afterall
You're probably right but I wanna look at Holo's face and then feel depressed because true love doesn't exist in this world.
we're all little girls, and bending over men and penetrating their asses is quite enjoyable.
lawrence should get that point across
Noo holo I can't because you are not real
Don't listen to them Holo, you're as real as you and you
No. I don't hold honds with sluts who get gang banged by wolves.
>I'm a parrot and I repeat the same shit every day
I'll bet you a nickle that faggot from Tumblr who thinks Lawrence is better is in here somewhere.
Norah is better
>if I keep denying it long enough, the truth will turn into a lie!
>If I keep saying it enough people will believe me!
not this time you stupid kike, you can't wreck spice and wolf for me
do you seriously think I'm a guy or are you calling me a faggot on general principle? i don't know if i'd say better, but i will say he's terribly displaced by korbo, underappreciated, not cosplayed enough and not in enough fan art
Yes I concur, lawrence is not in Spice and Wolf threads enough
>People still believe this
Read the novels, that a load of bullshit.
adding that i wouldn't say "better," I consider Korbo and Lawrence equals. it's what makes the series as special as it is. have some more respect for the OTP.
no, we all very much know you're a fucking woman.
doesn't mean you aren't a faggot.
>novels implied it but Horofags still think that it wasn't anything sexual
Whatever floats your boat.
thank you for clarifying, 4chan sooner assumes one is a homosexual male than a straight female
it was never implied
4chan is one person
its just 1 person posting all this shit
with multiple personalities, and they very often assume the straight females are homosexual males.
>not realising what the word faggot even really means anymore
You seriously think faggot still means a gay male? It's gone way past that.
4chan is just 1 person who has multiple personality disorder
this guy gets it.
entitled swine doesn't belong on 4chan, send them back to their self-proclaimed mountain that is tumblr.
entitled swine don't*, fuck
gotta check that shit before posting if I wanna be an offensive asshole
It obviously means anyone. However, when it's automatically assume someone liking a guy in anime is a gay male, different meanings of the word faggot come to mind. It all has to do with context. Even on tumblr people still assume I'm a guy sometimes.
I'm not so much of a faggot that I don't know what the word faggot normally means.
Wow this threads still here? I started it this morning before going on a trip up a mountain, come back down and here it still is. I forgot how other boards aren't as fast as /v/.
It's been a good thread guys thanks for sharing with me. Although I must invest time in a new anime lest I get too caught up in memories and never let go.
I hope Darker Than Black will be good... Laters guys.
You're damn right you nigger. If you want to be offensive make sure every fucking word of your post makes absolute-fucking-sense. Otherwise those faggots will not understand!
shut up, faggot
We take Spice and Wolf VERY seriously
>DERP DERP DERP HURF DURP HURP DERP
>Darker Than Black
y-ye anon, you go enjoy yourself, s-see you later
>when it's automatically assume
well I'm done for the night.
lets hope this thread lives into tomorrow
since 4chan is all one person, aren't you correcting yourself, which is myself?
Is that a problem?
>mountain goats out for holo now
stand in line billy.
stop talking to yourself
Wow, this thread's really gone to shit. Here I was worried I'd have to enjoy reading it, rather than just be reminded that /a/ is populated by wizards pretending to be 13 year olds pretending to be wizards. Bless you, /a/, bless you.
>>Can you not see yourself reading the books? I watched the anime and just HAD to read the books to find out, I simply couldn't leave it like that.
Welp I now see no point finishing the anime when they leave it up to "must finish the novel to find out what happens" bullshit.
I mean I am not new to this, and this is how Japanese keeps their Novel, manga sales going for decades. But it gets old.
Holo threads aren't usually like this
it only takes one shit poster same fagging the fuck out of a good thread to fuck it
>actually retorting with le epic maymay
seriously consider killing yourself.
I suppose technically if you didn't know about the novels you could see it as an appropirate ending.
If you didn't mind the episodes antagonist running away with all the profit
Ladies please, stop bickering and post more s&w art, preferably Norah
Enek is better.
actually it's been 100% me shitting it up this thread from these past few minutes.
I just want everyone here to be as miserable as I am, especially tumblr whore.
This thread was ok for the first 100 posts ok
Enek is a prestigious Knight, unfortunately I'm not a gay furry, Norah is my kinda lass
We ARE as miserable as you, we were just hoping for one nice Holo thread to escape reality for a bit. We really should have known better.
To be quite honest, most of the series bores me.
Call me simple minded, but as we all know its major premise is about economics and market, which isn't bad per say but I am more interested in what happens to horo's and the protagonist's relationship
If there series just leave an open ending between them, I don't see no point continuing further.
Whatever dunks your junk bro, I both watched the anime and read the books and was glad for it, even if it was a bit of a slog.
The relationship is more of the focus for the second season, and the rest of the novels tend to be about it as well, just using merchantry-related stuff to move the plot along. It's really not that bad for a low-action series, even if that's not everyone's bag.
the series' climax is volume 14 through 16, it really does pick up again, gets more dangerous and what not
So how was the second season?
I heard it was a terrible adaptation, but I want to hear more first.
It was fine adaptation. It just a low point of the story by the name of A~FUCK YOU~marti.
I wish he got invited by Lawrence at the opening of the inn but he's still a pussy till the end.