Name a bigger Mary Sue
>First post wasn't Kirito
Well thread over anyways.
If she was so Mary Sue why did she lose?
I don't think it works like that.
You meant to spell Kirino right?
but thats wrong you fucking retard
but both are right you fucking retard
Because the MC was even bigger faggot than the OP
From what I gather, a Mary Sue's not necessarily the most beautiful (which is limited to the creator's definition of beauty), but EVERYBODY drops their shit to fawn over her beauty anyway. She's also smarter, stronger and more capable at ANYTHING than anybody else. She's also liked by everybody else -- you know, except for the villain.
>I don't think it works like that.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
In any case, I don't believe a harem girl can be a Mary Sue, so I don't think OP knows what he's talking about either.
Mana from Precure
Why are almost all Mary Sues Blonde?
And she won.
I've known a Sena in real life. It didn't take long before everyone got tired of her shit.
the secret is to transfer schools after that happens
>She's also smarter, stronger and more capable at ANYTHING than anybody else.
The important part of the Mary Sue is that the universe they are in exists only for them.
They are usually the best at whatever they do. They are emotionally the most established (to the point where the audience may get really annoyed because they don't care) and they are generally the most successful.
Are you retarded?
There is a Mary Sue in the story, and you actually failed to find it?
Is this a troll thread?
>overpowered as all hell
>almost everyone admires her
>a better fighter than anyone else in the series
Come on, Satsuki fits the bill.
Power alone does not make a Mary Sue.
>Is this a troll thread?
ITT: People don't know what Mary Sue means
Every male MC is harem shows ever
Kirito is the biggest one
are you retarded? any Mc in a harem is automatically the biggest mary sue of said anime.
But that's the point.
Alucard is more of a Sue than she is.
He was even a girl.
are you retarded? OP asked for a bigger Mary sue, not the biggest in said anime
>Seibah, waifu edition
Not talking about Satsuki, just asking. If a character is overpowered and has incredible fighting skills but is also an enormous fuck-up and an unwitting pawn for someone else, do they count?
>Loses an election to a DEVIL COOL normal guy
He phrased that wrong.
The point is that Meat is not a Mary Sue.
A true Mary Sue does not make embarrassing mistakes.
That's a rule you should memorize.
I want to strangle the MC out of jealousy
Mary Sue is not about power.
>Mary Sue/Gary Stu
Here are few of the words /a/ has twisted over the time and swears to their balls they know the meaning of.
You forgot NTR.
How did they fuck up doujinshi?
>a few of the words
They think it means porn.
Or that it is exclusive to comics for existing franchises.
What the fuck.
Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean she's a mary sue, she's incredibly flawed.
Shit tier Mary Sue though.
Yozora pls go
Love the girl, but this is so true.
But her flaws make her endearing and moe.
Her and Touma both count.
Oh, come on.
Mikoto cant even fight against Accel, her enemies are low tier and JC Staff Anime Original arcs don't count
the index fanbase really would to have a word with you
Still best girl though
I don't want to talk with delusional fags
Because anime usually uses aryan looks (blonde hair, blue eyes) on "perfect" girls. They don't always have to be mary sues but it's really wonder that there's a significant overlap.
>The important part of the Mary Sue is that the universe they are in exists only for them.
Uhhhh... doesn't this also describe a "protagonist" then?
this bitch and almost every medaka box female character
also kumagawa fuged kikaijima
>Anime uses aryan looks on perfect girls
But it's not only anime, go buy any fashion magazine.
You know the only real reason Touma is still alive is because dieing for him would be considered a lucky thing for him? and IB doesn't allow lucky things to happen.
Speaking of that.
Maybe Mikotofags but nobody else really.
We are not talking about the same thing.
With a normal character, their are just one person in a big world. Things happen that don't directly relate to them.
With a Mary Sue, it's like characters freeze in place until becoming relevant for the Mary Sue again.
There's varying degrees of this obviously. The Mary Sue universe revolves around the Mary Sue.
That's really not the best definition. I know what you're going for, but it's a little off. The best way to think of it is that a character is a Mary Sue if the narrative exists only to fulfill the fantasies of the author (or if you're being meta enough about it, the reader) through that character.
Bella Swan is a Mary Sue, because the narrative exists only to throw events at Bella Swan which make the author and the series fanbase of junior high girls wish they had that life. Generic enough to be a self-insert, widely beloved by everyone for no discernible reason, gets to pick a boyfriend from a couple of supernatural hunks who each promise a life above the mundane.
Ousawa from Hagure is a Gary Stu, because the narrative exists only to highlight how everything he does is awesome and right. All fights except maybe the end of the series are one-sided "I'm too cool for this" smackdowns, every perverted thing he does has some after-the-fact altruistic ulterior motive, and they randomly bother to tell you he aces tests because "LOL HES FUGGIN PERFECT GET IT YET UUUNG I CAME."
I wouldn't call Sena a Mary Sue. There's a big stretch in S2 where she gets a huge amount of screentime, but the other characters still exist and still matter and are important in their own right independent of Sena. I'll agree they get closer than they should have and it's bad storytelling.
Calling Saber a Mary Sue just means you've given up even pretending to use the word correctly anymore. Even when she's on camera that franchise is barely ever "about" her.
Touma is a weird case - he's definitely Gary Stu-ish, but the franchise isn't afraid to just cut him the fuck out and tell stories where his only role is cameo appearance. Of course, when it does, Mikoto comes just about as close to being a Mary Sue, if not closer.
That's fucking easy
As long as she's likeable, don't mind.
I usually stay away from the term Mary Sue and Gary Stu altogether, but I just want to know if I understand it.
Do I? Is this a Gary Stu?
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/a/ you disappoint me.
>lacks social skills
>gets picked on and harassed by bitch
>no knowledge of society
>receives texts from coupon and restaurant sites instead of actual people
>doesn't receive the affection of Kobato
Another person that has no idea what he's talking about.
>mankasa the autistic wonder
A subverted one, yes.
You are stupid and you fail at reading threads.
>pawn to government plan
>shut in till recently
>gets saved by Queen Loli
Shinichi isn't a gary stu, nor a subverted one.
He fucked up, bad.
Being a Gary Stu/Mary Sue isn't about strength and power.
He was chosen for no good reason to be Japan's representative. In the new world he built up a harem with no effort and every great change comes from him - except the bad ones where he is always crucial in the defense - despite being weak.
He's not a straight Mary Sue, but he definitely is one.
So you didn't watch the series.
First, he wasn't chosen for no good reason.
He was chosen cause he was a hikki, which meant he was disposable. He was knowledgeable in the 2d industry. Which meant he could introduce 2d to the new world, have them rely on it for entertainment, get accustomed to it, and in turn, have them rely on Japan. They pretty much explained this in the damn series, you dipshit.
Secondly, yes a Mary Sue and Gary Stu aren't all about power. However, it's about how they excel at everything, and have the entire universe revolving around them.
He fucks up big time, doesn't understand every single social issue, ends up falling to a ploy, and needs help from various others.
In Shinichi's case, the universe doesn't revolve around him. In fact, there are things that are going on within the shadows, he being a puppet and all.
While the main cast definitely adores him, their lives with the exception of arguably Petrarca and Misuel, don't revolve around him.
He's also replaceable to the Japanese government, and they wouldn't have so much of a second thought of doing so, if it wasn't for Queen Loli.
He's not a Gary Stu.
Simple as that.
>He was knowledgeable in the 2d industry. Which meant he could introduce 2d to the new world, have them rely on it for entertainment, get accustomed to it, and in turn, have them rely on Japan.
Which is a fucking stupid reason.
How many directors of major companies do you think are hikkis or have a hikki background?
Because selling things is not just about knowing about it. It's about social skills.
You don't need to know the best (or all) anime out there, you need to know which anime are good for newcomers. Which, as he proved, he did not.
>However, it's about how they excel at everything
Do you think Bella Swan fought her own battles?
>He's also replaceable to the Japanese government,
>the character has antagonists, therefore he isn't a Mary Sue
Despite all of his "faults", everything always worked out for him. Him being a hiki isn't much of an argument since it's not even a big part of his character. In fact, more and more shows/LNs are throwing around NEET and hiki shit just for the fun of it. They could've just left it as him being a loser in school. The Petraraca NEET part could've easily been replaced.
>How many directors of major companies do you think are hikkis or have a hikki background?
Totally refuting the point of him being hired DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS A HIKKI, which made him an easy puppet.
He wasn't selling shit. You OBVIOUSLY haven't watched the series. He was a teacher, teaching anime, manga and lightnovels, as well as other Japanese entertainment to students.
>You don't need to know the best (or all) anime out there, you need to know which anime are good for newcomers. Which, as he proved, he did not.
He was knowledgeable, which is the extent of what I said. Didn't mean he knew everything, or was a master of it.
>Do you think Bella Swan fought her own battles?
Who the fuck is Bella Swan?
>totally refuting my point about the universe and lives of characters revolving around mary sues
His life wasn't even that important to his own country. The only people that cared about him were Petrarca, Misuel, Brooke, Petrarca's advisor and Galious, Elvia, Minori, and at times Matoba.
Considering they left him in the dark, and dealt with politics that affect his work and life, while not discussing it with him, yes.
There were still rebels who were upset with the queen, not shinichi.
There were still plots against the kingdom for its resources. Shinichi was not of import. Any hikki who applied would've fit the role just the same.
He's not a Gary Stu.
He never was.
He never will be.
Just cause things work out, doesn't make one a Gary Stu, or a Mary Sue.
He still got rejected by his childhood friend, he was still threatened by his own country, and he realized he was nothing but a pawn.
I took too much of a break from /a/.
I'm not used to holding back any more when being unsure about what I'm saying. And so I convinced myself of crap.
That was terribly easy OP.
>He still got rejected by his childhood friend
Not even a notable part of his character. An even worse argument than him being hiki. Just there for the sake of his character being "unfortunate" before he found himself a castle and some girls.
>he was still threatened by his own country, and he realized he was nothing but a pawn
It's because he's Gary Stu that those things posed no real threat at all. How could you say that things working out for a character doesn't make them GaryStu or MaryStu, then base most of your argument around them not being a Gary Stu because they were in danger for a quick second?
>Just cause things work out, doesn't make one a Gary Stu, or a Mary Sue.
Doesn't it? Everything in the story built up to everything working out for him despite him being a poor hiki otaku that was rejected by a cute girl, j-just like me. Everything worked out BECAUSE of him being the MC. Government posing a threat? Nope. He's buddies with the loli queen.
I enjoyed OC a lot, but you're giving the writer way too much credit for these characters.
>It's because he's Gary Stu that those things posed no real threat at all
They were a real threat. Which is why he got Queen Loli to save him.
They threatened to dispose of him, which in case you're retarded, which you are, means to kill him, and to have all records of him disappear. Which is why he was the perfect pawn. He was a shut in prior, which meant he had no contact with friends or family, asides from mother and father. Hell, the threat of him dying was the main focus for the last episodes.
Things work out for me everyday.
Does that mean I'm a gary stu?
Cause the world doesn't revolve around me. And in the case of shinichi, it's the same. And things don't always work out for shinichi. Did you not notice the dwarves paying more attention to video games than to him? Did you not notice the plan where he got fucked by the government? And sure, they resolved it thanks to Queen Loli, but it still happened, and ruined his trust.
Frodo and co. still got the ring to their destination. Does that mean Frodo is a Gary Stu? No. Far from it. (Though Jackson's rendition made Frodo more flaccid than he was in the books, in which he was somewhat of a badass. Not a Gary Stu though, as there were still wars and plots and deceit involving others.)
Does that make Luke Skywalker a Gary Stu? He may be Darth's kid, but he isn't a gary stu. Far from it.
Is Shinichi finally with Misuel? No. Is he still in danger? Yes. He still got played. Dipshit.
Does the entire universe of Outbreak Company revolve around or involve Shinichi 100% of the time? No.
There are still deceitful plans, uprisings, and other drama that don't involve Shinichi, but involve the other cast members or parties.
>You're giving the writer way too much credit for these characters
No, you're just retarded. And usually I don't use retarded in an argument, but dear god. You refuse to admit the fact he isn't a gary stu, and just a lucky guy. Luck =/= Gary Stu.
>They were a real threat. Which is why he got Queen Loli to save him.
They were not a real threat if Loli queen was willing and available to save him at any possible moment. They threatened him, but they posed no real threat. The wanted to kill him, but there was no way the story and several characters would allow him to be killed. They were not on home turf. Not even in their own world.
>Things work out for me everyday. Does that mean I'm a gary stu?
Wow, I am fucking done with you. You've resorted to straying from discussing the actual series. Congrats.
Pointyface Chick from Kill la Kill
The last few episodes, they've been pointing out how she doesn't open herself up to others.
>I'm done with you cause i have no real capabilities at refuting your points cause all my points were all idiotic to begin with
That's how you sound.
They almost killed him, not just threats, but actual assassination.
And that's called plot armor, not being a gary stu.
Two different things retard.
Not him, but you sound fucking retarded.
You apparently didn't even get why he didn't want to talk with you any longer.
She's got way too many issues to be a Mary Sue
Why? Cause I refuted his points about shinichi not being a gary stu?
Or was it that tidbit about "Am I a gary stu?"
Cause just cause things work out for someone, doesn't make one a gary stu.
If you don't get that, then you have different problems. I refuted everything he said, and - Oh. Samefagging to prove your point. OK.
There really is no bigger Mary Sue. Not even in fan fiction. Her power is basically to be perfect.
For some reason she walks away unnoticed.
>Or was it that tidbit about "Am I a gary stu?"
>Cause just cause things work out for someone, doesn't make one a gary stu.
Gary Stu/Mary Sue is a thing of narrative. Your life doesn't have a narrative. The concept doesn't fucking apply. The idea that it might is goddamn fucked up.
confirming not samefag
At least bother to either learn what a Mary Sue is. Saber has many flaws shown over and over.
What did you expect from a shounen manga.
>Or that it is exclusive to comics for existing franchises.
We(as in the hentai community) use doujin to refer to just that. It's been that way longer than /a/. Just like the way lolicon is used. Quit being a hipster with "but m-muh original japanese meaning".
It was the point of her character, and basically the entire premise of the series. It's acceptable if it is done with care and consideration.
>We(as in the hentai community) use doujin to refer to just that.
No, we don't.
Doujinshi can be self-contained with no bigger story to lean on.
There's thousands of those. Possibly millions.
No, some people don't even know that non-h doujins exist.
>We(as in the hentai community)
So what do you do? Are you part of a scanlation group or something?
The point in context
Pointed out that Frodo and Luke weren't gary stus.
I only added that part to prove that just cause things work out occasionally or daily, doesn't mean a character is a gary stu/mary sue.
A doujin is a self published work.
Doujin CGs, Doujin games, doujin manga, etc.
Don't speak for everyone.
Especially considering you did it wrong.
>name a bigger buzzword
>comics for existing franchises.
Never stated they had to be hentai
>Quit being a hipster with "but m-muh original japanese meaning".
It's used as a means to sort retard. I already acknowledged it's not the original meaning of the word.
>I only added that part to prove
Which is precisely why you are fucking dumb.
You can't prove shit with an example that doesn't apply.
>A doujin is a self published work.
>Doujin CGs, Doujin games, doujin manga, etc.
>Don't speak for everyone.
Believe I was talking of the common usage, not the true meaning. Glad you can read
I provided two examples that did apply.
Check and Mate.
>It's used as a means to sort retard. I already acknowledged it's not the original meaning of the word.
Then what do you call them?
There is no other term.
Post times. Image confirmations are not credible.
I and the nips use dojin to describe Doujin CGs, doujin games, doujin manga, etc.
Don't speak for everyone.
ITT being skilled at something makes a you a mary sue
One of the posts were mine.
If you read the thread properly, or knew what was being discussed in response to those posts, then you would know that. Hence, you doing it wrong.
With a cell phone, post times aren't credible either.
>I and the nips
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit eh
But her name is Sena.
That's a /v/ buzzword.
I must the frequenting the wrong thread, since I don't see it used all that much.
At least I don't remember any anime recently that could have been labled pretentious.
Jesus, you are embarrassing yourself further and further.
No matter, >>101040900 still applies.
>That's a /v/ buzzword
Except it's been used commonly on /a/ for a long time.
And there are crossboarders you know.
>nips aren't apart of the hentai community
I didn't know that baka-gaijins were the only people who made doujin-manga and cg sets.
No, you are.
Cause those posts weren't even in question, in terms of samefagging.
Were the samefags. You fucking moron.
You're right about that. Oh well. It can't be helped.
He told you that the one poster you were arguing with and he were different people.
He couldn't address the other posts anymore because they were too far in the past.
Do use your head. Please.
>Except it's been used commonly on /a/ for a long time.
Of course, but I assume it's used correctly here.
At least I don't count the shitpost threads that get deleted 10 posts in.
Holy shit, you really are an idiot.
>I didn't know that baka-gaijins were the only people who made doujin-manga and cg sets.
Hahaha wow you're really stupid. It was clear I was speaking of the western hentai pirate community. You realise the doujin creators hate you right?
Neither Frodo nor Luke had every girl they met fall for them.
As for Luke's almost-fling with his sister...
You're assumption is wrong.
Totally not the point.
I was calling out two posts as samefagging.
He "confirmed" not samefagging by quoting my post.
What good would that do?
We pirates now?
Again, speak for yourself.
Don't call it a hentai community, and refer to it as what it really is.
Call it "The Japanese Doujin Appreciation community."
Also, the nips hate you too.
Probably more so than they'd hate me.
>all harem mcs are automatically gary stus
Anna from Shaman King. Near the end of the story the author came up with a new method of combat just so she could go toe to toe with super powerful main villain. It was never used again.
>I was calling out two posts as samefagging.
You should know by now that behind every post is a poster.
Either you accept the possibility that different posters respond to you (and disagree with your stupid claims), or you don't. In either case, he tried to prove that there were more than one of them around. The reason why he quoted you was that he was talking to you. You know, like I am doing in this very post.
>>all harem mcs are automatically gary stus
And I didn't even say it's necessary. Only that there is a difference.
>We pirates now?
My boat floats on Abgrund's tears.
>You should know by now that behind every post is a poster.
No. 75% of posts on /a/ are scripted posts, with magic that allows the posts to seem as if they're an actual discussion.
Though 50% of that 75 is actually just scripted posts posting "X waifu is best, Y is shit"
He could've quoted his own post and the other post in question, and uploaded a screenshot proving me wrong, even if it was shopped.
All the Raildexfags are delusional as fuck. Don't kid yourself.