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Which light novel have you read today, /a/?
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>Nasu shit
>Good
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>>101017003
KnK and F/Z might be shit but they're miles ahead of most other shit.

It's all shit though.
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i personally prefer reading proper books, for adults.
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>>101017087
Said the cartoon aficionado.
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>>101017111
god damn, you got me good there. i give up
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>>101016543
Why isn't Strike the Blood there?
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>>101017239
Because it's shit.
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>no Horizon

Also monogatari is shit

You know light novels in general are pretty sub par, why am I even posting
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I remember someone saying that most LN are written at the level of the trashiest teen novels here in the states. I'm not sure I want to get into that.
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>>101017313
>monogatari is shit
clearly you've never read even a single chapter, or else you wouldn't even troll about saying that.
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>>101017321
You're already into anime, might as well
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>>101017313
>no Horizon

Because it's shit.
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>>101017321
it's pulp trash, yes, but in all fairness so is anime. it can still be enjoyable if it's your thing
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>>101016543
Top tier light novels more like
>Top tier fandom
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Remember like last week when we were whipping ourselves into a frenzy over Mismarca and now nobody gives a fuck?

Good times, good times.
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>>101016543
>GEKKOU NOT IN THE LIST

I'm sad /a/ hasnt read the greatest love story ever told.

Probably the highest chemistry of any couples ever. even if one of them denies it at first.

tsukimori is my waifu.
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>>101017359
That's a pretty terrible argument, I've gotta say. Besides I hold literature up to a higher standard than anime, which I acknowledge is 90% pandering garbage.
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>>101017037
>F/Z
>shit
What?
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just finished Index NT09, now i'm torn between mahouka or KnK, any sugestions??
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>>101017432
A good part of anime nowadays is adapted light novels
So you might be into them already and don't even know
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>>101017347

I was more so talking shit about the anime just because

You're right I've never read a single chapter but I assume it's similar to the show, so a pretentious artsy uninteresting snorefest for the ages
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>>101017313
Horizon is shit.
It's overwritten idiotic garbage for the kind of overcompensating micropenis-wielding circlejerker who thinks length is everything.
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Where can you buy Lns?
Don't fucking say Japan
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>>101017321
A lot of them are. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the vast majority are.

There are a few that are written like proper novels and don't physically hurt to read. Spice and Wolf, Baccano and Kino no Tabi from the OP image are good examples. However, this might be the result of liberal translations.

If you want to plumb the depths of really shitty light novel writing, give Infinite Stratos a spin. Everything else seems like War and Peace compared to it.
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>>101017465
>implying I'm some kind of newfag
I pay attention to which series are anime original or manga/LN adaptions.

And most of the LN adaptions I've seen are usually harem shit made solely to promote the LN.
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>>101016543
>Welcome to the NHK
Eh, I just cant agree with this, I read it after watching the anime and I found it "lacking", the MC while being an idiot is more "stable" than the one in the anime but foremost is the nature of the conflict that seems nearly devoid of problems, all those archs that exists in the anime are simply run over or inexistent, every other character has to solve his problems off "screen", it felt true to its name a "light" novel in every sense.
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>>101017544

honto
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>>101017546
I cannot believe Infinite Stratos got published/serialized.
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>>101017551
Then you've already made your decision
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I can't be the only one here who thinks Heavy Object is shit right? Its the very definition of a mary su story. Its overall view of the world is super narrow and boring. The only thing going for it was that it was an overall easy read.

Found myself reading something else after 2 volumes.
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>>101017618
Maybe everyone is in on the joke and knows it's shit apart from Cecilia
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Kino's Journey is so fucking good it doesn't deserve to be classified as a light novel. It doesn't have any light novel traits apart from the (beautiful) illustrations.

>That long kidnapping story in volume 10

My heart
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Are there any LNs with professional translations? Not that I have anything against amateur translators, but an entire novel seems like a daunting task without financial motivation.
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>>101017796
Spice and Wolf is probably what you're looking for. Zaregoto and NHK have professional translations but good luck finding any copies at an affordable price.
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I used to think LNs were universally worthless trash. Then I read Iris on Rainy Days.
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>>101016543
If that's the best then LNs are complete trash.
Apart for NHK, of course.
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God, I want my Spice and Wolf prints delivered already.
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>>101017945
What's that? Clannad?
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>>101016543
>top tier light novels
>top tier shit

How do you decide which shit is better than another shit ?
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>>101018050
Clannad chuuni version.
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>>101018050
The maid on the cover is the MC, a robot servant. She gets her entire body torn up and recycled and her OS is put into a tin can robot that you can see on the cover of the book.
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Slowly (because I'm still learning moon) reading this. I'm about halfway through the first book and it's pretty cool. Does it count as a LN if there are no illustrations?
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I have to wonder if Jin makes some characters in Kagerou Days bad on purpose so he doesn't feel bad about killing them or making them suffer. Hiyori and Hibiya being the most blatant examples. One is a bitchy school idol, the other is a creepy stalker.
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>>101018158
The publisher decides if something is an LN. There are LNs without illustrations and non-LNs with tons of illustrations.
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How does the The Kagerou Project work? I know there are songs as well as books, am I supposed to listen to the songs while I read? Because that would be pretty retarded.
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>>101017597
Does it ship oversea?
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>>101018220
If a multimedia project is too hard for you to handle, just wait for the anime.

>>101018199
Hibiya isn't that bad, once he's paired with Momo. And Hiyori is kind of a non-character.
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>>101016543
More like the most mainstream LNs. Holy fuck.
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>>101018158
Don't think it matters. Mainly up the the reader. Light novels to me just means something so light that I can read the volume in a day or less.

Pictures help, but something like this makes me block out that they even exist. In fact, Champione has no illustrations. Use your head. Its vastly superior.
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>>101018260
They're basically the only good translated LNs.
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>>101018220
Just ignore the music. There aren't any exclusive important details in it.
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>>101018279
>They're basically the only translated LNs.
Fix'd that for you.
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Might give this a full read, when I learned enough moon.

As a test.
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I've been reading color wars, and its pretty great so far. Glad it is finally getting translated after so long. Thanks based js06.
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>>101018279
>good
If that's a good LN I sure hope I'll never have to know how bad the bad ones are.
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>>101018260

>tips fedora
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>>101018301
Nonsense. We have a lot of garbage translated.

For example:
Index
Oreimo
Infinite Stratos
Accel World
SAO
Haganai
Date A Live
Mahouka
Toradora
Zero no Tsukaima
etc

>>101018334
See above.
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>All LN are shit
>Because of these few machine translated series that I read
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>>101018249
I will be horribly disappointed if Hibiya never at any point mentions to Momo that cows are sacred in India. He could either do it as a horrible attempt at saying something nice to her in the novels, or as part of some kind of insult in the manga.
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>>101018391
That's what I mean. Seriously the only stuff that's translated on Baka-Tsuki are the mainstream shit ones.

Only a few have really kept me going forward without yelling at the author for the bullshit they come up with.
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>>101018423
It's pulp fiction for teens, mate. Even the best translator can't make something good out of it.
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The writing in anime is just as bad if not worse than LNs, you're all just distracted by visuals and sound.
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>>101018391
How are these worse than the "top tier" image ?
The bottom row is pretty much all generic shit and 3 of the top row are pandering magical girl pops up into your lonely life bullshit.
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>>101018532
That's a silly thing to ask, obviously it all lies in the execution of the premise and the quality of the writing. Are you literally judging books by their cover here?
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>>101018472
>implying pulp fiction for teens is necessarily worse than serious books for serious adults
While it's true most of the LN are average at best you should stop talking about quality in writing, and read more books so you can realize most of them are shit as well.
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>>101018423
>thinks piss poor "literature" can be any good
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>>101018509
>you're all just distracted by visuals and sound.

Well that is the point.

>>101018610
>many books are shit
>therefore it's okay that LNs are shit

Really?
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>>101018610
>most of them are shit as well
Maybe the books that you read, pleb.
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>>101018630
Why do you expect something to be "literature" just because it's written in a book? I go into a LN expecting cheesy pulp and that's exactly what I get. I enjoy the hell out of "Campione!", because I never went in expecting "War and Peace".
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>>101018630

I'd would rather have poor literature than some hack writer ripping off Tolkien.
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>>101017945
Why is she making my dick hard
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>>101018630
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>>101018677
I did read shit books as well.
You know how many books are released each year?
You probably don't.
And you expect all of them to be good just because they're proper books and not light novel? You're idiot if you judge something a priori.
>>101018666
I wasn't saying that.
The point is, just like there are bad light novels doesn't mean they're all bad. And they're not necessarily worse than a book, like you guys say.
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>>101018791
Because you want to read it. Lots of robot angst.
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>>101018793
If you're a grown man (like most of /a/) and you're reading YA fiction for lonely geeks... you deserve to be laughed at.
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>>101018807
>And they're not necessarily worse than a book, like you guys say.

Who said that?
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>>101016543
>Maoyuu
Not LN
>Nasu, Nisio
Really?
>Heavy Object
Even Index has a more coherent plot
>Kagerou
I give up.
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>>101018873
>Maoyuu
>Not LN

You what? It most certainly is.
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>>101018873
>Being this hipster
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>>101016543
>no Jinrui
o-ok
It's not like it's ever going to get translated, anyway
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>>101018924
Wow, her character design really got a huge upgrade in the anime.
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>>101018866
If being a "grown" man means having a stick up my ass about things people like then I'll gladly be a manchild.
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>>101018922
>using hipster on /a/
Go away.
Also there's nothing hipster about hating shit.
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>>101018915
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/まおゆう魔王勇者
But it's not. It's not under any LN label.
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>>101018866

>I read sophisticated books for sophisticated and mature people like myself

I read anything and everything I find interesting. you aren't special just because you picked up Time Machine or The Shadow Over Innsmouth.

It just makes you pretentious.
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>>101018978
If we let people enjoy shit civilization will never progress. I blame this recent stagnation of western culture on "democracy". You can be free while I tell you you're doing shit wrong. I don't know why it became a taboo to call people out on being shiteaters.
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>>101019012
No one thinks Lovecraft is particularly sophisticated.
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Actual Top Tier list.
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Will Vanadis ever get a decent translator?
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>>101019012
Which LN do you find interesting ?
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>>101019012
>Time Machine
Have you read "The Time Ships" by Stephen Baxter? It's not altogether terrible.
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>>101019068
>Mahouka
Anon...
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>>101019012
Terrible examples. Lovecraft and Wells are the opposite of pretentious/sophisticated. They're good old horror and sci-fi fun, respectively.
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>>101018869
Everyone who keeps saying "I'd rather read mature books for adults such as myself"?
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>>101019068
>Allison to Lilia
>Horizon
>Blade Dance
>Index
>Mondaijitachi
>Vanadis
>Mahouka

And those are just the shit ones I recognize. I'm sure you can do better than that.
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>>101019100
I'm not seeing any post numbers. Feel free to continue straw manning though.
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>>101019114
>Index
What happened that massive Raildex fanbase in /a/? I see no one defending Index here.
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>>101019073

>Which LN do you find interesting ?

Kino's Journey, Ghost Hunt, Spice and Wolf, Kara no Kyoukai.

Might pick up Fate/Apocrypha.


>>101019075

Will probably check that out.
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I sure love how LN thread always become shitposting central.
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>>101019114

Hey now.

I mostly agree with you, but Mondaiji isn't totally terrible. It has entertaining bits.
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>>101018958
It's the other way around, the LN changed the previous art style if I'm remembering correctly.
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>>101019155
Circlejerking over MC and big bad.
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Define a GOOD LN first
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>>101019155
It's poorly written drivel most of the time but it has a few good characters and a fairly in depth universe. From my experience, that's all something needs for a fanbase on /a/.

See: Typemoon

Though I'll admit I secretly like it.
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>>101019193
I'm fairly certain that noodle hair Watashi came first, and they redid the covers when the anime came out
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>>101019211
What's wrong with Index again? The fanbase?
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>>101019171
It's always because people seem to think that a written work being nothing more than easily-read pulp is somehow a bad thing.

Not everything is amazing and meaningful, and not everything should be. There's a place for trashy but entertaining fiction.
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>>101019162
>Ghost Hunt
>generic supernatural romance shit
If you go on Goodreads there's hundreds of books like that for landwhales just like you.
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>>101019129

>>101017087
>>101018472
Plus the ones in the past ln threads.
Finding people who believe proper books are better than light novel on /a/ is not that strange.
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>>101019171
What do you expect when OP reveals himself to be a TM faggot who actually thinks KnK was a good light novel to read much less Spice and Wolf.

The last few volumes of Spice and Wolf were just plain unbearable to read due to cheesiness to the max.
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>>101019155
It's still here, it just didn't bother with those threads. I actually like Kamachi's works, I prefer the Zashiki-Warashi over Index though.
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>>101018143
>Oh gee, tragic shit happened to her.
Doesn't mean she is likable or interesting, from the vague over view you gave.
>Plz tell more, honest thoughts bro
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>>101019230
Something that has an interesting premise/interesting take on a regular premise, has good character interactions and doesn't read like an anime script.

For an example of the latter, here is an excerpt from Infinite Stratos volume 5.

"DEYYAAAHHHH!!!"

*KLANG!* The heavy sound of metal echoed out. Ichika and Rin clashed blades as they faced off against each other.

It was the 3rd of September, during a practical training lesson at the beginning of the second term that was held between classes 1 and 2.

"Ku...!"

"I WON'T LET YOU GET AWAY, ICHIKA!"

As fellow class representatives, both of them were fighting in this match. Ichika had the upper hand at the beginning, but Rin started to turn it around.

The reason was simple and clear. [Byakushiki]'s second phase was using energy too quickly.

"You used too much energy on your shield!"

"Not over yet!"

If he pulled his distance, Ichika should be able to fire the particle cannon from the multi-purpose left arm weapon [Setsura], but that part had also lost all energy.

"It's useless! This [Shenlong] is designed to be stable and be efficient in using up the energy—[Impact Cannons]!"

*BOOM!* After firing several high-pressure shots in quick succession, Ichika and Rin pulled away from each other.

It seemed that Rin didn't intend on letting go of this opportunity as she threw out the attached [Souten Gagetsu].

"Kuu!"

"TTTAAAAAAAAA!!!"
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>>101019230
One in which there are no girls fighting over MC's dick for poor reasons
There's a start
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>>101019048

How the hell do you compare reading fiction to the state of civilization?

By your logic, sitting here all day is why it will never progress.

I read books, I read comics/manga, I read VN's, and LN's, and short stories, I read magazines, the newspaper, novels, anything that catches my eye. I think you're being shit for holding back people in having an opinion on something.

>>101019265

>landwhales

Cunning argument.
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>>101019267
A big portion of /a/ hates LNs.
Pretty much every shitty overhyped anime made recently was based on an LN.
It goes back to the Japan has shit taste paradigm.
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>>101019314
Stop making me remember I read 7 volumes of this.
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>>101019233
Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that.
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>>101019340
>Cunning argument.
And it's also a valid argument.
Ghost Hunt is to females what IS for the sake of comparison is to males.
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>>101019392
>An ad hominem is a valid argument

Stop. I'm not that guy and I don't even disagree with you, just so you know.
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>>101019068
>Do you also happen to be a little girl?
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>>101019314
Jesus Christ. I'm physically ill from just reading this. This is 12 year old gaia fanfiction tier.
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>>101019367
>Reading IS
>Ever

No, really. It's fucking terrible and I'm honestly surprised it was ever published and I say this as someone who reads every shit harem that gets serialized.
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Why has no one mentioned baccano yet? Do you all not like it?
It's the only one in which I don't feel like a faggot while reading.
If someone asks me what I'm reading I always tell them Pulp Fiction set in the 1930's.
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>>101019345
More like
>A big portion of /a/ never read a book
You'll be surprised how great the quality of LN thread was compared to the usual /a/ thread.
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>>101019440
I-I just wanted to read ahead of the anime and figured I'd start at the beginning.

But jesus it's horrible.

>>101019445
Considering it's in the OP image and no one has pointed it out it probably means it's liked. Same with Hakomari, I guess.
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>tfw no one reads mine
Vol. 3 still on its way. The writing has been stuck in Namek, but it's happening.
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>>101019314
This is actually worse than shounenshit
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Is this kind of thing common in light novels?

The two of us stood next to the vending machine, and I swiftly sent the soda into my body.
Swooshing, the popping sugary solution violently stimulated my body, from my throat, down my esophagus, and all the way to my organs in my stomach.
Ahh……This is it. /This is it/.
This was that very “state of mind”, unable to be reached by any other than those who have finished Death Hiking in the blazing sun.
I had just now, at that very summit, begun to interact with the soul of the soda.
A deep, violent, frenzied banquet that I could not even begin to talk about.
Ahh, so that’s how it was. So soda is a passport to heaven that God granted to people equally.
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>>101019512
Tumblr translations shouldn't really be used as an indicator.
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>>101019512
There is a lot of first-person present tense narration from the MC, yes.
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>>101019512
What, bad translations? Yeah, all of them.
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>>101016543
the naked communist is a good read
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Surprised no one mentioned Yahari
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>>101019580
Because not even the first volume is translated yet.
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Is monogatari really good? I'm up to episode 5 of the anime, but ever since haruhi, I prefer to read the LN's while watching the anime.
It'd have to wait since I'm reading Baccano now, but I just want to know it's worth reading or if the anime is of the same quality.
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>>101019314
>Wow you must have tons friends who envy you.
>Slaya of the pussy at your university
You're the guy who comes to a party in cosplay right?
>Inb4 I don't go to parties
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>>101019466
>A big portion of /a/ never read a book
What the hell do books have to do with LNs ?

>>101019511
>>101019435
Two season anime, probable third season on the way. Praise Japan for creating such masterpieces.
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>>101019512
yeah, it's the Japanese equivalent of lol so random XDD humor. Just overdramatize anything trivial and you'll get a chuckle out of japanese teenagers because it's, like, so wacky. You're not supposed to get a religious experience from soda wwwwww
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>>101019622
I don't know if you're trying to be stupid, or what your plan is, but light novels are books.
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>>101019619
What

Making fun of Infinite Stratos earns you a fedora tip now?

>>101019608
I've heard a lot of things are lost in translation, but the light novel translation on B-T is alright from what I've read. I kind of prefer the anime due to the directional choices (yes, I still like SHAFT).
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>>101019619
IS fanboys, everyone.
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>>101019512
Yeah. Also that passage alone is probably worthy of an anime and will be voiced by Wakamoto himself.

I can already imagine the MC.
Average height.
Brown hair. Slightly disheveled.
High school uniform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwTQZlnGXdA
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>>101019619
Is this reportable?
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>>101019661
>light novels are books.
Might as well call magazines books at that point.
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>>101019707
Yes. Shitposting is against the rules.
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>>101019707
>All images and resulting discussion should pertain to anime or manga.
Sure.
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>>101019696
Wrong on pretty much all counts. He doesn't go to school.
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>>101019772
>wrong on pretty much all counts
>only the highschool thing is wrong
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Started reading the Oreimo today. I don't know moon so I'm limited to translations, fml.
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>>101019772
Such a rebel.
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Every fucking time this thread is made, these people come pouring in like clockwork.
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>>101019801
He doesn't have brown hair.

Besides, you can shitpost about Shintaro all you want next season since he's in the next SHAFT anime.

>>101019836
His only friend who he alienated by being a self centered asshole jumped from the school roof, and he dropped out because of guilt. Now he has been a hikki for 2 years.
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>>101019876
Yeah, it's the same people every time.
Every time. We hunt you and we invade your threads specifically.
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>>101018807
No one forces you to read every existing book, retard, you're supposed to choose only the best.
You can't do that with LN because the level is low.
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>>101017788
Are there any translations of KnT latest volumes?
Or probably never
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>>101018717
Maybe you could read some other books which are, you know, good.
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>>101020043
How do you know they're the best if you didn't read it?
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>>101019891
We can't really say anything about their relationship until Jin writes that part in the novels. He was wearing that stupid jacket for her even back at the culture festival, so it's not like there was a wall between them.
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>>101019012
These are the retards that I share the board with.
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>>101020109
This is a shitty argument and you know it. Just stop.
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>>101019608
Pay someone to translate it, because the project is dead.
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>>101020120
>Lost Time Memory

>Leave me alone Ayano
>Shintaro let me hold your hand
>DON'T TOUCH ME
>I wonder what his heart is truly saying?

Loud and clear.
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>>101020149
How is it a shitty argument if nothing was argued?
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>>101020102
"Good" is subjective.
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>>101020088
We're up to volume 13, if I recall correctly. We'll get there one day.
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>>101019725
I take it you never even looked at a light novel before.
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Zaregoto still best LN.
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>>101020181
You expect /a/ to believe this?
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>>101020224
Unfortunately that's not the case.
>he doesn't know a lot of light "novels" start in magazines as short "stories"

I get you're a teenager with shit taste but at least keep your newfaggotry under control.
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>>101020256
Still untranslated ;-;
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>>101020181
go back to liberal arts college faggot
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Kara no Kyoukai novel is so bad even Nasu couldn't believe they could make a good anime out of it.
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>>101020256
>hasn't read it
>best LN

So everything is best LN until proven otherwise ?
I'm starting to get the "logic" of the elusive LNigger.
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>>101020290
Wasn't Amazon giving out the first 2 volumes free a while ago?
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>>101020109
Because I read comments and background and may have read other books by the author. I hardly fail at finding something good and interesting when I do some research.
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>>101020343
>LNigger.
Seriously?
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>>101020329
And they didn't.
It had too much filler for me to care about the "serious" second part.
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>>101020290
Fuck life
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>>101020280
Oh wow. That's beyond retarded. You actually believe a light novel can never be considered a book because it started on a magazine? I'll just take this as a troll and ignore it.
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>>101020280
>he doesn't know a lot of light "novels" start in magazines as short "stories"
Completely irrelevant. We're not talking about short stories in magazines. We're talking about light novels, which are books.
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>>101020181
My concept of good is universal, contrary to LNfags.
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>>101020280

And?

This is not a new thing for books. Fucking Oliver Twist was published as short stories on a monthly basis.
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>>101020348
Did someone say free?
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>>101016543
>top tier LN
>about Twilight tier
You know, I know I enjoy these things, but I'm not deluding myself in thinking they're good.
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>>101020290
But it is.

>>101020343
>Implying I haven't read it

First 3 and nearly all of 4. Just from these alone are better than all the LNs I've read. And I've read nearly all on B-T and other project sites. Even a few translated Korean LNs.
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>>101020280
According to this person, Dostoevsky is not an author of books. You're retarded.
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>>101020465
They're good if you enjoy them. Don't let someone else decide what's good and what's not, for you.
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>>101020400
I don't care about the price, the main problem is that they won't translate other volumes, so we only get 2 out of 9.
The translation is still far from being complete (can't blame him, he's alone and Nisio is hard to translate)
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>>101020519
First fat acceptance.
Then LN acceptance.

American culture.
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/a/
>Good Taste
>REAL Books

That is a funny joke
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I got my 10 Spice and Wolf novels delivered last week. Halfway through the first one right now. It's really great so far!
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>>101019068
I recognized about 75%. I can agree with what I recognized.
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>>101020553
Enjoy the good part whilst it lasts. It started getting a bit crap for me around volume 8 if I remember right.
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>>101019068
Remove Mahouka and it's almost a good list.
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>>101019068
>Guin Saga

Only there because Miura said it's where he got the inspiration for Berserk.
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>>101020542
You could try making a topic for "what books would you like to see as anime?" and wait for the responses. Anyway, I don't like to bash LNs, there's no point to that.
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>No Ore twintail ni narimasu

Utterly disappointed.
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>>101020540
But I'm not American.
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>>101020519
You forgot to type:
USA! USA! USA!
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>>101020542
Let's see then.

Quick! Post the last book you read that wasn't a LN, YA lit, or a Fantasy novel written after 1950.Sci-fi's cool though
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>>101020605
What's it about? Other than MC having a twintail fetish.
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>Serious and mature "masterpieces"

I swear, /a/ can be more pretentious than /lit/.
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>>101020670
I'm kind of amazed really.
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>>101020651
Yahari Ore Seishun: 19th Century Russia Edition
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>>101020651
What happened in 1950 that made all fantasy novels written after that shit?
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>>101020585
But Mahouka is good though. More exceptional than most LN.
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>>101020717
You are kidding me right
Someone post that list of Tatsuya's powers
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>>101020651
One day I will finally get off /a/ and continue reading this.
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>>101020519
>They're good if you enjoy them.
No, no they're not. Being enjoyable != good. Being good (that is, on a literary standpoint) has nothing to do with being enjoyable for me. As a matter of fact, some books that I find good, and enjoyable to analyze, are a fucking chore to read (I'm looking at you, Flaubert).
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>>101020716
Tolkien happened
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>>101020716
All copied from Tolkien. Or at least that's what that person you're replying to seems to believe.
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>>101020735
I'm not. And why would a MC's power determine a LN's quality? I don't care if he's hax like crazy. Quit trolling like a faggot, anon.
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>>101020651
The Martians, by Kim Stanley Robinson.
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>>101020716
Everyone started copying LotR which ended in 1949.
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>>101020754
This is the stupidest shit I've heard in a while. To think that nothing original has been produced in more than half a century? Come on.
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>>101020756
Not "all" copied, but even the ones who didn''t I don't really care for like Wolfe, Martin etc etc
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>>101020651
Fucking what.
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How can you read LNs knowing that most of them will neber be translated completly? I would love to read Baccano, Zaregoto but I don't want leave story hanging foreve. And reading short summary like "in vol 6 spike dies!" is not helping at all.
Is there at least one good fully translated LN?
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>Westernfags thinks they can judge LN through a translation

AAAHAHAHAHA.
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>>101020747
>Being enjoyable != good
Wrong
Being enjoyable == good

It is literally the only quality that matters. You fuckhead who try find the "meaning" behind stuff really piss me off. Sometimes a duck is just a duck, not a metaphor for WWII.
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>>101020651
If you can read French, read Janua Vera and Gagner la guerre by Jaworski. I generally hate fantasy because of how derivative it is, but these books are splendid.
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>>101020716
>>101020651
The Silmarillion was published after 1950, faggots.

I'm reading Demian, Crime and Punishment and rereading The Catcher in the Rye.
Now tell me which LN are on par with those, I challenge you.
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>>101020651
>that wasn't (...) Fantasy
You have a problem with fantasy ?
>written after 1950
Shit. That's hard.

I guess this counts as a book. If LNs are books.
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>>101020848
Machine translation no less.
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>>101020849
It's not about the meaning. It's about the way it's written. Not everything is subjective. Being enjoyable is a subjective quality. Being good, in a literary sense, is something altogether different.
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>>101020870
>The Catcher in the Rye
There's no reason to read this unless you are an angsty 13 year old.
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There's nothing wrong with liking ASoIaF or Wheel of Time. Hell, even modern fantasy aimed at a younger audience like His Dark Materials or Harry Potter are fine to read.

This isn't /lit/.
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>>101020870
>The Catcher in the Rye
My toilet is on par with that.
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>>101020651
I want to recommend The Winter of our Discontent to you /a/, I'm sure you'll love it.
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>>101016543
are all the anime adaptions good?
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>>101020848
Yeah I can judge the generic haremshit plot just fine. It's not like these shits don't get anime you fucking retard.

>b-b-b-but they're not all harem there's also romance and edgy horror for fedoras such as myself
Good for you.
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>>101020887
>Not everything is subjective.
Just stop talking.
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>>101020927
LN adaptations generally butchers the source material.
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>>101020898
I thought /a/ was generally fine with genre fiction.
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>>101020927
>Anime adaptations
>Ever good
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>>101020944
Really, now.
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>>101020927
Maoyu's is shit. The rest are fine.

Hakomari, Heavy Object and Kagerou Project don't have adaptations yet, though the latter is getting one next season.
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Please translate Zaregoto series. I badly want to read them.
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>>101020898
>His Dark Materials.
The first book was so good, why did the second one have to turn into terrible shit?

I haven't even touched the third one.
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>>101020944
He's right.
There are objective qualities to literature as there are to any form of art.
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>>101020935
>Fedora

/v/, go home.
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>>101020949
Genre fiction's fine m8. I'm totally cool with science fiction and the like. Garbage like Wheel of Time is only good as cheap toilet paper though.
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>>101020963
Oh, right, and Zaregoto isn't translated either. Watching Katanagatari gives a Zaregoto-like experience though.

>>101020974
Subtle Knife is better than the second, then again I have a hard on for parallel world shit. I wouldn't rank it better than Golden Compass though.
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>>101020976
>There are objective qualities to literature as there are to any form of art.
For instance?
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>>101020935
>haremshit

>>>/ANN/
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>>101020976
What is the point of readying fiction?
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>>101020974
Third one is better than the second, but still pretty bad. Essentially they go to war against heaven, destroy a corrupt church, and kill God. This pisses off every religion and gets the book banned from schools
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>>101020896
>>101020908
>people who were forced to read it in high school
A trusty source.
>>101020871
I love Parrish.
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>>101020976
For anything to be objective it has to be compared to an unchanging standard of some sort. Every standard you can name in anything related to art other than physical dimensions must be created by an arbitrary decision by a person, and thus inherently subjective.

Ergo, there is no objective quality to art.
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>>101021003
Oh, man, it has been so long that I mixed them up. Subtle Knife was the second book, Amber Spyglass was the third.

I remember liking some things in the latter novels but to be honest I've forgotten what they are. The city where everyone has their own grim reaper was neat though.
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>>101020651
I kept it /a/ related
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Inheritance/Eragon is a terrible series, but if it was an LN turned into an anime /a/ would sing it's praises.

Discuss.
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>>101020976
What is the point of reading fiction?
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>>101021046
Only book I was ever "forced" to read was The Outsiders and that was a decent one.
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>>101021105
Never read it and don't plan to so no
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>>101021035
>>101021073
What I hated was the the MC went from a strong, confident person in her own right who went against the most powerful people in her world to do what she though was right, to a sniveling coward who thinks her entire existence is just to support some dumb kid with a sharp knife.
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>>101021070
>For anything to be objective it has to be compared to an unchanging standard of some sort.
Something like the human mind and its sense of aesthetics, which is shaped by environment and genetics? I don't think I've ever heard somebody dissing a bird's trilling chant.
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>>101020997
>LOTR is the bestest shiteater

You're literally what is wrong with the fantasy genre and you should be removed from the fandom with great force. The only reason fantasy books dropped in quality is the publishers and editors pandering to your shit tastes.
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>>101021113
Please don't bully Salinger.

I think a perfect day for Bananafish could make a great manga/anime and would be /a/'s favourite.
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To Kill a Mockingbird and 1984 were the only novels I was forced to read.
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>>101021153
You've never seen someone yell at birds to shut the fuck up because they're shrill and annoying?
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>>101021176
1984 is the best "I was forced to read this in highschool" novel.
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>Retards actually think F/Z is poorly written.

It's actually a great piece of fiction, probably the best LN ever made.
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>>101021105
Yup.
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The last thing I read is
>All you have to do is kill
Still no update from baka tsuki for me.
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Are there really people who judges a light novel through its anime adaptation? Even though anime adaptations are normally always bad and terribly butchers the source material? Some exceptions aside, of course.
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>>101021155
>shit tastes
>enjoys Wheel of Time

Hilarious. I never even mentioned Tolkien in that post, I just called a spade a spade. Pic related is an example of good fantasy.
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>>101021204
>F/Z
>Great written
Stop sucking Butchers dick, faggot. Since when can Urobuchi write?

Not that LN's are good anyway
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>light novels
>good in any way
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>>101021276
>>101021278
I want /lit/ to leave.
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>>101021204
>The best LN ever made.
No, but I agree that F/Z is not poorly written.
I had read worse LN
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>>101021256
Only thing that's good about that book is the cover by John William Waterhouse.
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>>101021295
Shut up, /tv/.
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>>101021278
People still don't like LN illustrations? They are great.
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>>101021295
At least you're admitting LNs can barely be called literature.
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>>101021329
>detailed background
>awful perspective
>hands are a mess
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>>101021319
>>101021335
Literally pretentiousfags.
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>>101021316
Like I said, shit taste. I bet you hate Gormenghast too pleb.
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>>101021278
>manga
>good in any way
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LNs are better read as raw and non-translated. Too bad I can't into moon.
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>>101021276
>Congratulate someone on making a good product
>Must be sucking that person's dick
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Discuss
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>>101021397
>anime
>good in any way
Let's abandon this board
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>>101021476
Why do you assume you have to restrict yourself to one or the other?
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>>101021450
my little galt can't be this sociopathic
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>>101021476
>Infinite Stratos
>Average LN
IS is deeply in the shit tier anon
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>>101021397
There are. Same for animu. Even LNs must have one or two worth reading.
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>Literature
>good at all
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Genuine question.
Are LNs actually poorly written or is just the meaning lost in translation?

Why do they read like scripts?

I don't know Japanese so maybe I am missing something here.
From some translated LNs I've read, the anime actually presents the material better because the translations are typically unreadable.
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>>101021379
I'd be more interested if you've even read an actual fantasy book. Because both of those are between genres.
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>>101021366
This is what the average LN reads like.>>101019314

I mean, I'm not going to pretend the average novel doesn't either, but at least there you have such a wide selection you could read something good every day the rest of your life and still not read everything.

By reading LN's you'll probably dry yourself out of worthwhile material in 2 weeks at best.
>>101021501
>>101021514
You don't HAVE to do anything. But then again I'm shitposting on 4chan with the rest of you so what the fuck can I say about valuable use of time.
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>>101021397
Choose two. LN writers can't even draw.
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>>101021517
Kino's Journey, Baccano and Hakomari are the only LNs I've read where I didn't feel like I was wasting/had wasted my time.
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>>101021517
Is Brave Story an LN?
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>>101021528
Most have horrible translations. They are typically translated from Japanese to Chinese or Korean first, then translated to English by non-native speakers.
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>>101021528
>Are LNs actually poorly written
They are masterpieces.
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>>101021528
>the anime actually presents the material better
Except for very few exceptions, the LN source material is generally better than the anime. If you think the anime is better then it probably means you're reading a shitty translation.
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>>101021528
Most of them are poorly written, they're the equivalent of young adult novels.
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>>101021532
I enjoyed Republic of Thieves actually.

There goes muh /lit/ cred.
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>>101021596
Ursula Le Guin's YA fiction is good!
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ITT: People who don't understand Japanese language and culture
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While we're still on to topic, does /a/ still like "The Dark Tower"?
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>>101021528
>Are LNs actually poorly written or is just the meaning lost in translation?
it's just the shitty translation. if poorly translated sentences like "onii-chan, i want to marry you, uwaaa!" were to be properly translated you'd understand that they're pure literature and wouldn't be out of place in a shakespeare play
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>>101021692
Only good thing Stephen King has ever written.
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>>101021692
*the
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>>101021414
No, shithead. The true bait is to claim that Butcher can write
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>>101021692
I heard /lit/ actually likes Stephen King whilst acknowledging he is the fast food of literature, is that true?
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>>101021652
>this nigga thinks LN's are "culture"

If I went to Kroger and picked out a random novel with a ripped shirtless dude on front would I call that a good example of American culture?
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>>101021747
They are culture. How can you even deny that?
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>>101021716
You didn't like The Stand, or It?
I've read his other books but those are the only two I think are on par with The Dark Tower.
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>>101021652
Speaking of Japanese language and culture, I was reading through No Longer Human the other day and there were no honorifics. I wonder what /a/ would have made of that?
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>>101021730
i don't know what /lit/ thinks, but in my experience people who have studied literature at university aren't that quick to write off pulp fiction or genre books at all
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>>101021747
You don't know the definition of culture.
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>>101021652
Well, I'm still wondering myself why the shit sells so much nowadays
>inb4 pretentious
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>>101021528
Shitty machine translations.
Quite a few are made just so the author can cash in on an anime adaptation.
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>>101021818
I wouldn't even know who was male or female.
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>>101021818
Who's best girl? For me it's the pharmacist. Or the milf, can't decide.
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>>101021397
>books
>good in any way
>>
Top Selling Light Novels of 2013:

*1位 2,006,033部 Sword Art Online
*2位 1,051,305部 Kagerou Days
*3位 *,947,772部 Mahouka
*4位 *,727,435部 Hataraku Maou Sama
*5位 *,707,626部 Yahari Ore Seishun
*6位 *,650,692部 To Aru Majutsu no Index New Testament
*7位 *,618,026部 Monogatari
*8位 *,612,472部 Date A Live
*9位 *,565,787部 Kuroko no Basket -Replace-
10位 *,546,142部 Accel World
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>>101021831
We ain't. I mean, not recognizing someone like Cordwainer Smith is just...
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>>101021832
Incest drama is not culture.
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>>101021790
>>101021837
Well no shit they're culture. Tabloids and Jersey Shore are culture too.

I posted that because he pointed it out like it was something to "get." Like it required some deep level of understanding.
>>
New Heavy Object volume when?
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How many of you faggots know who Sherlock Holmes is? And how many know who Auguste Dupin is?
Let's tell the plebeians and the patricians apart.
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>>101021927
どこよりも早い! 3月の新刊予定(2014年3月8日発売)
◆ヘヴィーオブジェクト 七〇%の支配者
著/鎌池和馬
イラスト凪良
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>>101021889
Sasuga Japan !
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>>101021871
Definitely Shizuko. Yoshiko and Tsuneko are tied for worst girl.
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>>101021889
>*4位 *,727,435部 Hataraku Maou Sama
Still no S2 announcement.
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>>101021985
So soon!
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>>101021818
Don't particularly care unless there's a reference to the characters being called by certain honorifics.
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>>101021747
Are you dumb? Pretty much every LN is heavily based on Japanese culture. From how characters talk, act, behave, their gestures, body language, how they feel/should feel, show respect, behave, use of mannerisms, etc. If you read a LN that doesn't seem that way, then you're most likely reading a shitty translation that has heavily localized the LN. A sort of extreme but clear example is the localization behind Ace Attorney games.
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>>101016543
This list was obviously made by someone who doesn't read japanese, lots of badly written shit everywhere
されど罪人は竜と踊る
イリヤの空
DRAGON BUSTER
紫色のクオリア
死体泥棒
ある日、爆弾がおちてきて
コップクラフト

These are good shits
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Psycome translation when?
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>>101022086
>されど罪人は竜と踊る
I've only read this. It's kinda creepy.
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>>101022086
>Iriya no Sora

Stopped reading right there.
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>>101022058
>Pretty much every LN is heavily based on Japanese culture. From how characters talk, act, behave, their gestures, body language
Oh, like when japanese girls punch guys so they fly into space, right? That's a regular occurrence in Japan. So much culture.
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Is light novel a purely japaneese genre, or can there be western pieces that could retroactively qualify into it?

Retroactively being the key word here.
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>>101022181
Not liking the LNs of Iriya is a sign of horrible taste 先輩
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>>101022190
That's slapstick comedy, you retard. It's not even possible irl.
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>>101021889
SAO is objectively the best one then.
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>>101021113
I found Outsiders to be a bore to be honest.
Fuck my teacher who went on and on about the foreshadowing.
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>>101022086
>紫色のクオリア
Is there a Qualia novel as well?
I've only heard about the manga.
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>>101022181
Let me guess, you only watched the OVAs.
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>>101021993
Eh, I no longer remember the names.

Do you think he leaves the milf just because he feels uneasy around her and the daughter or also because he wants to same them from himself?
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>>101022221

Sure. Pretty much all pulp fiction'd fall into the LN category. Dostoevsky. Dumas. Dickens. Conan Doyle.

It is not in any way a new or unique phenomenon.
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>>101022306
It was first a novel actually, the manga is just an adaptation.
A very good one though it does gloss over some thing.
But yeah Qualia is easily one of the best LN ever made, it's hard to believe it could go that far with just one volume
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>>101022366
>In 100 years' time Sword Art Online and Infinite Stratos will be remembered in the same way we remember Crime and Punishment and Great Expectations
>Index and Mahouka will be required high school reading
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>>101021692
Good but the ending was meh for me.

>>101021730
Depends, along with the Stand, Salem's lot, the Long Walk, IT, the Shinning and probably one or two more of his early works that I forgot, it's the only ones that /lit/ likes and actively recommends.

>>101022278
It's the Twilight argument against, etc etc.
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>>101022221
Closest equivalent is pulp magazines.
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>>101022366
but that's wrong, you retard, you should have picked the american fantasy or scifi magazines of the first half of the century to make a good parallel.
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>>101016543
I have NHK, like a boss
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>ctr+f 'shit'
>70 results
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>>101022353
Shizuko=MILF
Yoshiko=pure and naive, gets raped
Tsuneko=Drowned

As for MC and the MILF, I'm leaning towards the former, but he thinks he's doing the latter because of his outlook on life. But that's just me, and I haven't read that deeply into it yet.
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>>101022452

And those aren't pulp?
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>>101022429
What about The Shawshank Redemption?
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>>101022482
Is that relevant?
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>>101022429
Oh, and the Green Mile, forgot that one, that was a nice read too.
Wouldn't recommend it though but I have stupid taste.

The issues /lit/ has with King are more about his style, his repetitive characters and too much overuse of sexual parts and swearing that just becomes overdone in parts.
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>>101022528

Well, it's what LNs are.
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>>101022452
Those are genres of the format. Please research more, Anon.
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>>101016543
no
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>>101022509
Movie is better according to /lit/, haven't read the book so I wouldn't be a good judge.
Also that one where they're all stuck in a mall, made by the same guy who made Shawshank Redemption. 1408 wasn't too bad either, both the movie and the book.
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>>101022389
Is it on going or did the author drop it after 1 volume?
I heard good thing about the manga, but the novel is never discussed and there are no projects nor fans of it.
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>>101022593
What's wrong with Hakomari
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>>101022467
Poor Yoshiko. Fuck, I even forgot about her, now I feel bad.
You didn't like the cripple?
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>>101022593
>>101016543
Oh, I also forgot to say.
Not all of them are light novels, dumb ass.
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>>101022593
>crossing out nasushit
Superb
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>>101022596
The Mist?

Also, if anyone here has watched Aoi Bungaku, how does its No Longer Human arc differ from the book, if it does?
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>>101022621
But they're all irredeemable shit.
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新本格魔法少女りすか3

It was excellent.

And now it goes into the forever on hiatus pile along with HxH.
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>>101020651
Started reading The Crying of Lot 49 but I just got bored of it half way in.
Might pick back up but I honestly felt it was a complete drag and bore.

I need to read it since it's apparently one of those few books everyone loves to quote or remember but I honestly didn't care much about it and it seemed to try too hard.

V was actually a good read and I still need to read more of Pynchon's works.
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>>101022593
Keeping まおゆう prove that you don't know japanese by the way, shit has horrible writing 
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>>101022593
No need to be this mad because people enjoy what you don't bro.
You're an idiot in the first place if you keep reading TM stuff even when you clearly don't like them.
>>101022635
F/Z is written by Urobuchi as well.
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>>101022593
>Heavy Object
Ok, all is fine, I agree it shouldn't be there.
>F/Z
Well... I disagree but to each their own opinion.
>Hakomari
Fuck off.
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>>101022452
Those are pulp. Just like "light novel", it just refers to the format they are published in.

LN labels publish a magazine quarterly, I think, that includes short stories and sometimes excerpts from the volumes, along with advertisements, news etc. New volumes for the series published by the label are released at certain times of the year.
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>>101019619
dear god, you're not seriously defending this writing are you?

I can understand if you're 10 but even then.
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>>101022679
That was suppose to be actually another ?, since I have read only the manga, but I missed it out.
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>>101022657
It does, the MC is presented as a "cool" faggot. I watched 2 episodes and dropped it. I'll finish it sometime.
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>>101022413
>Class, when you're done with vol 4 of Index, I want you to write a 500 word essay on who you think should win the TouMAN and why.
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>>101022657
it's a summary and cut off the second half of the book.
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>>101022657
>The Mist?
That's the one, damn good movie.

Apparently King fucking loved that movie and said that it was miles better than his own work.
The ending especially surprised him and was apparently different than in the original and absolutely loved it and wished he had thought of it himself.
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>>101020651
Finishing up this. It's really enjoyable.

I reread Catcher in the Rye last week because I have no memory of it from high school. That book is awful.
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>>101022724
>F for anyone writing about the headcrab
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>>101022724
>and don't forget to live your life correctly or I'll break that illusion of yours!
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I've read Kizumonogatari. Is NisioIsin's writing style really terrible or is it just the Baka-Tsuki translation I read? It was almost incomprehensible with all the random uhhs and ahhs and the whole thing felt like a terrible attempt at stream-of-consciousness writing.
I liked the story though, just as I liked the stories for the Monogatari adaptations.
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>>101022619
She's pretty pitiful too, and quite...likable? But since it's No Longer Human, I really find it hard to use "good" for most of the characters, since they're too depressing and even outright unlikable when it comes to people like Horiki. The cripple didn't have enough appearances, although I did feel sad when MC was morphine-addicted and she did everything out of, uh, love. Yeah, she did treat him quite nicely, but didn't have enough self-control to stop giving him morphine for his own good.
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>>101022801
Here's the rule of LN translation: If it's accurate it's probably bad, if it's not bad it's probably liberal.
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>>101016543
>no DDD
top lel
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>>101022724
In 100 years teachers will still be shit then, I see. At least wait until Itsuwa has been introduced.
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>>101019314
It's like reading a VN but as a but all together.
I dunno, this really bothers me but I completely understand.
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Reading Kino no Tabi. Good shit, fucking moon language though.
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>>101022766
>That book is awful
You have shit taste. The comedy is wonderful and the general depressing mood is perfect. What's not to like?
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>>101020651
This was pretty good.
Haven't watched the movie, was it a good adaptation?
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My god, why did I read the first half of this thread?
It's just people talking shit about having fun reading light novels.
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>>101022920
>>101020651
Forgot pic
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Are the Boogiepop Phantom LNs good?

Always meant to read them.
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>People actually defending Catcher in the Rye

What year did you stop eating lunches in the bathroom?
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How can /a/ have such low standards for lit?

Google a pdf of something written by Euripides. Even if you do not notice the versification, rhyme, unity, and so forth, at least notice how concise he is. He makes every single word count. Restraint is a godsend and is something every writer should learn.
I've never seen a single LN writer who is capable of being concise.

>inb4 hurr pseudo-intellectual

I'm not even kidding here. Do away with the poetry and look at basic prose. Go read a modern translation of Schopenhauer and look at how he writes, you can disagree with his views but you will see what I mean in that concision is effective.
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>>101022716
I remember the MC in the original having a buffoonish facade and girls tended to like him. What do you mean by "cool"?
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>>101022963
Not that guy but my answer would be when I graduated from highschool.
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>>101022766
Really? I've been meaning to read it because apparently Beckett said it was a masterpiece and I've been meaning to read into both of them, my reading levels are terribly bellow with all the VNs I've had to read this year.
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>>101023001
I believe Orwell said something similar.
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>>101022730
The second half of the book? Aww man. Does it skim it or avoid entirely? His wife gets raped, right?
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>>101023001
We're talking about light novels here, not about literary tastes, anon.
The classics do have some great stuff in it, but it's not really relevant to light novels.
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>>101022850
Have you read Henry Miller?
>>101022963
>people actually not liking Salinger

How can you not like the scene where Holden it at the theatre with the girl and she caresses the back of his head?
How can you not like the scene where Holden is wondering in the park in the morning, sees a little girl struggling at lacing her skates and helps her?
How does it feel to have so much shit taste?
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>>101022716
>cool
Not even for a second.
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>>101023033

Brevity is the soul of wit.

It's fairly universal. Conveying shit by throwing lots of words at it is easy. Doing it concisely is HARD, but results in a much more readable book.
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>>101023001
>telling people to read about shoppy
Might as well tell people to read Nietzsche if you're telling them to read prose.

Shoppy was all about ripping off Buddism in every single way and not giving a fuck while simultaniously fixing Kants small mistakes and reinforcing the a priori that Nietszsche broke after realizing morality fucked both.

Some of the shit Schoppy wrote about some kid about how he was retarded because of how he didn't conform to idealism in the beginning of The World as Will and Representation always makes me giggle at how retarded it is and backwards it was reading this from a future point of view.
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>>101023002
Like the usual MC of your chinese cartoons.
Just watch it, it's 4 episodes.
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Guys, what happened to discussing about light novels, /lait/?
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>>101023087
No, I haven't. My backlog will never be finished, and I'll stand a better chance of clearing my anime one since my reading pace has slowed down to a crawl. After Invisible Man, I've got to read Kokoro, The Master and Margarita, Stoner and Lolita.
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>>101022936
I don't think people get why they're called "Light Novels". They're supposed to be easy to read and entertaining above all else (just like most anime and manga). You don't read LNs for sophisticated writing or some deep philosophical message. I imagine that LNs are kind of like the thriller novels people pick up in airport bookstores - just something entertaining to pass the time.

Even something fairly depressing and realistic like Welcome to the NHK is more of a comedy/drama than, say, a commentary on the Hikkikomori phenomenon in Japan.
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>>101017497
>overwritten
Well what do you know, a literal retard.
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>>101023153
We went from discussing light novels to just simply novels.
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>>101021889
Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! 2014 Rankings

1. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru
2. Alderamin in the Sky
3. Index
4. Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru no Darou ka
5. SAO
6. Hataraku Maou-sama
7. Tokyo Ravens
8. Rokka no Yuusha
9. Oreimo
10. No Game No Life
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>>101023153
But there is discussion about light novels. The entire thread has cooled down and the litfags are talking about their own stuff, while the LNfags are talking about LN stuff.
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>>101023161
I've read The Master and Margarita. It's great.
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>>101023175
What the fuck does overwritten even mean?
The only time I've ever read something that truly felt overwritten was while reading the LoTR.
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Some people in here being more pretentious than /jp/. That's quite a feat. I hope it's just /lit/ scums and not actually /a/nons who're doing that.
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>>101023172
I then hereby apologize for their attempts to make intelligent people out of themselves for reading LNs.

>>101023182
>>101023216
Well, the LN discussion died out, so we're going to /lit/ territory. That said, I can't pick up any more LNs than I have right now. Fucking anime backlogs.
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>>101023033
>>101023119
Yeah everyone says it and yet no one can do it. It's a lost skill. Modern works are shit because retards don't know how to limit themselves.

>>101023142
You can't really read Nietzsche without having read Schopenhauer. Context alone is worth reading lots of shit. It's been a while but I liked his views on aesthetics and some of his last aphorisms when he was complaining about not being recognized.
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>>101023232
It means:
>I can't concentrate on anything longer than thirty pages
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>>101023219
The only other Japanese lit book I read was A Personal Matter. It's good, and quite the easy read too.
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All LNs produced today are just otaku-pandering shit.
Light Novels were actually well-written before shit like SAO killed the LN industry.
Pic related.
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>>101023219
>It's great
Good to know, I've had that on my backlog for a while.

>>101023161
Make sure you also read Pale Fire if you're reading Lolita, both are great and absolute must read. Stoner is exceptional.

>>101023271
/lit/ is as pretentious as it is simply to join.
Just have good taste and something interesting and relevant to say and you're good.

They're just as harsh about their books as /a/ is about wanting good anime.
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>>101023302
>It's a lost skill. Modern works are shit because retards don't know how to limit themselves.

Eh. Don't know I'd go that far. Mostly, sure. But not universally.

You just see it a lot more in the older stuff because only the good older stuff gets remembered.

Sturgeon's Law, y'know?

There are shitloads of old pulp publications that no one remembers or cares about. But the outliers get remembered.
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>>101022612
Some tumblr faggot is translating it, I believe. No idea if it's a good translation, though. Reading Qualia is one of the reasons I started learning moon.
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>>101023378
The Odyssey is my favorite LN.
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>>101019114
>Horizon
>shit
You couldn't have worse taste if you tried.
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>>101023378
>Genji Monogatari
That is a great book, but completely unrelated to your point. Something closer to your point would be a picture of LoGH in LN edition.
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>>101023398
>the outliers get remembered.
Damn trash.
Hopefully gets out of the schooling system for more decent books. Put a Lolita or something that kids can relate to or something.
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>>101023393
So is this stuff like this >>4510437 just trolling or is /lit/ legitimately like this?
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>LNs ARE SHIT
>I READ REAL BOOKS BLAH BLAH BLAH
>"WOW Top 100 Books You Need To Read In Your 20s"
top lel
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>>101023001
>I've never seen a single LN writer who is capable of being concise.
Read Jintai.
Well Romeo switches style constantly and have fun with the text and prose but he know how to be concise yet powerful too.
Or like, read some of his VNs
http://pastebin.com/5zWz6eDv
Here is the intro of the FD of Kazokei for example, extremely concise yet incredibly powerful
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http://tsukuru.info/b/?p=1393
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>>101023508
If you posted this 2 hours ago there might be a point.
>>101023502
Who are you quoting? No, really.
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>>101023393
>Good to know, I've had that on my backlog for a while
Consider I'm the guy "defending" The Catcher in the Rye, it seems like my taste might be shit, listening to other anons.
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>>101023508
Also make sure to read IJ.
It's the bestest best book evar made yo.
It's about tenis, quebec and drugs.
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>>101023502
I fucked something up, didn't I.
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>>101022687
>>101022689
Buttmad TM fags detected. Go play with Tohsaka's anus again, retards
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>>101023561
>Consider I'm the guy "defending" The Catcher in the Rye
I haven't read it but Beckett, one of the giants in the literary world, said it's a masterpiece, so I'm inclined to believe you're taste is good.

Apparently the book is terribly divisive and I really need to read it already.
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>>101023539
>Moogy

>>>/jp/
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>>101023508
That's what people who shit on genre fiction have always been like.
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>>101022867
>Liking shit
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>>101023571
Are you trying to link to /lit/? Let's see if I still have it in me. >>>/lit/4510437
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>>101023502
I haven't been on /lit/ for ages but they sometimes get hit with waves of trolling, it's been bad for the past two years, especially during winter and summer. They're still the go to place for anything book related.
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>>101023575
Buttmad TM haters detected. Go crying because TM works are well liked, retard.
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>>101023605
Read it now. And then read Nine Stories.
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>>101023643
Their standard combo of Ulysses/Infinite Jest/Gravity's Rainbow will probably wreck someone new to literature, that isn't shit you want to recommend to inexperienced readers. I haven't been there in a while either, but are they still trolling each other with Tao Lin? Is Tao Lin the Yamakan of /lit/?
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>>101023424
>Cowtits: The LN
>Good

>>101023695
The point of your post is to show how retarded your fanbase is? Keep going then
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>>101023695

Just like Naruto, right?
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>>101019608
Just how many brothers in the world could be so dearly loved as to be woken up like that every morning? -- although in this case, perhaps the one I was jealous of was not Araragi-kun himself, but Karen-chan and Tsukihi-chan who could see his sleeping face every day.

Oh, I was so totally jealous.

Truly, I was.

Well, to speak of how I, Hanekawa Tsubasa, woke up; like Araragi-kun and his sisters, I would be woken up every morning by Rumba.

Rumba was, of course, not the name of the Hanekawa family's cat, nor my strikingly-named little sister Hanekawa Rumba, but a run-of-the-mill iRobot automatic vacuum cleaner, or in model number, a Rumba 577.

It's set on a timer to automatically start working at six every morning, and when said smart vacuum cleaner bumped into and pushed against my head, I wake up.

How refreshing.

Be that as it might, like all vacuum cleaners the Rumba made quite a lot of noise as it cleaned, so by the time it crawled down the hallway and gotten close to me, I had actually already woken up -- and yet, the fact that I would continue to lay in bed until my head was being pushed, waiting with my eyes closed for the bump, was perhaps because I longed for the sensation of 'being woken up by someone', or simply 'being woken up' itself.

Like Sleeping Beauty, poetically speaking.

Well, not that anything would be poetic with the other party being a vacuum cleaner.

Sleeping Beauty -- that was quite something, coming from myself.

Even with regards to the Rumba, seeing as there was someone sleeping in the hallway as it cleaned there, It's probably a nuisance to it as well.
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>>101023744
Who's Tao Lin?
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>>101023744
>but are they still trolling each other with Tao Lin?
I still think so. The regular ''go to bed Lin'' always gets a mention here and there.

And Ayn Rand though I've read a few people starting to compare her to Striner and starting some shit recently which was interesting.

>>101023740
Alright, will do.
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>>101023774
Because on the other hand your post showed your superior mind right?
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>>101023744
I honestly don't want to bother lurking or posting on boards like /lit/ and /mu/. I'd honestly rather be a pleb than listen to people tell me that my tastes in books and music are shit.

Much easier to argue about anime.
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>>101023634
its shitposting
/lit/ hasn't been good for three? years now, before it was a strangely self-aware post-post-ironic board with Tao Lin spam and lots of tripfags

If you go on there now you will be fooled by the pretty words they use when they are actually retarded.
Don't pollute your mind with that board, they might seriously skew your views, just learn on your own time, it's not something you have to share or discuss.
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>>101023806
I'm not quite sure if you're claiming that to be good or bad writing.
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>>101023835
If you're just looking for reading material, you don't even need to lurk, let alone post. Just hit up the sticky.
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>>101023835
Music is almost impossible to argue. Books on the other hand have more varied topics and are pretty much the same sort of criticism you find from people arguing about anime.
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>>101023872
It's just a shit translation
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>>101023806
Do you think this is good, or bad?
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>>101023774
What, you think it's just thousands of pages describing tits or something?
Man, you're delusional.
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>>101023849
/lit/ was great from 2011-2012.
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>>101023829
>Because on the other hand your post showed your superior mind right?
Of course. Back to your fapping, Saber waits already

>>101023907
>thousands of pages describing tits
Even if not, it's still shit
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http://savannatranslations.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/ougi-formula-001/

>mfw Nisio thinks an axiom-based formula is an objective metaphysical constant

Why is he so retarded?
Plus he namedrops Beethoven, Einstein, and Gogh, just why, I cringed so hard when I read the chapter
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>>101024062
Sure, keep believing so.
I don't even like Saber
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>>101024062
>I don't know what it's about but it's shit.
0/10, try harder.
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>>101023904
Not him, but I fucking hate reading NisioIsin novels, mostly because of the style.
> when said smart vacuum cleaner bumped into and pushed against my head, I wake up.
These fucking tense changes literally give me headaches.

Also those really short one-line sentences really annoy me. Maybe it's just something that's lost in translation, but they're used far too often, like he's trying to constantly sound dramatic. I could bear with them much better when they flashed by really quickly in the adaptations.

His stories are pretty clever, even if they make very little sense most of the time. He's got a thing for writing enigmatic characters and dialogue that's reasonably witty.
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Do all of you have superiority complexes or something?
Because this thread is pretty pathetic.
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>>101024205
Of course. I literally don't read for any other reason to feel superior to other people.
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>>101020280
The Brothers Karamazov, Anna Karenina, Madam Bovary, The Three Musketeers, The Count of Monte Cristo, and numerous other classics of western literature were also originally published as serials.

I take it that these are also not books, according to your definition?
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>>101023904
>>101023872
the person asked if the novels were good after having already watched part of the anime so I posted an excerpt that wasn't machine translated or a huge spoiler so he could decide for himself if he liked the writing style.
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>>101024062
>Even if not, it's still shit.
Yeah, I'm sure not reading a single page of the novels has given all the basis you need to make that judgement.
You're like the people jumping in to shitpost the threads of shows you've never seen.
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>>101024197
Strange tenses are something normal in translations, though. I think the style is something that would be judged much better reading the original work, specially since it's a translation between two very different languages.
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>>101020651
The Zothique Cycle
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>>101024205
Reading is objectively superior to all forms of visual media because it requires you to be literate.

Instead of watching anime like a pleb, I download the .ass files and read those instead. I also photoshop all of the pictures out of manga because I'm not some baby who still needs pictures in his books to understand them.
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>>101024205
>good discussion
>pathetic thread
Does not compute.
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>>101024205
>>101024228
Until watching anime is something that's regarded as something people of higher intelligence do, I have to do things like reading and playing and listening to classical music in order to say I'm better than them.

Of course, I'm better than them without any of those things, but they always require "proof".
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>>101024246
>The Count of Monte Cristo
Can we all atleast agree that this is the greatest book of all time?
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>>101024411
I started masturbating and you made me flaccid. Thanks a lot.
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>>101024411
You are joking, right?
If you aren't, then that's literal autism.
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>>101024433
One of my favorites, for damn sure.
And as a person who loved the original, I can safely claim that the anime is the best adaptation of the work.
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>>101017427
Gekkou is pretty nice. Kinda sad that it's only 1 volume long.
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>>101024433
That would be like calling Cowboy Bebop the greatest anime of all time. What do you think?
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>>101024479
As opposed to figurative autism?
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>>101024430
>Does not compute
Just kill yourself
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>>101021528
It's the shitty translation, which is only compounded by the fact that Japanese and English are very radically different not just structurally, but pragmatically as well. Many LNs tend to use a writing style that's based on casual, personal, and HIGHLY contextual communicative speech, and the people who translate them are so obsessed with formal-equivalence (either because they're just bad at Japanese, or because they have some misguided sense of literary purity, or whatever reason) that they don't even bother to think about why things are being said, they just trust that if they make all the words the same that nobody can tell them they're wrong.
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>>101024479
Are you serious?
If you didn't understand he was joking, you actually do have autism.
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>>101024432
Are you joking though?

I literally only read to feel superior to other people. I'm not joking.
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>>101024327
Probably a lot of my frustration stems from the way the novels are translated rather than from Nisio's actual writing. I still find them impossible to enjoy though.
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>>101018158
It's a novel, officially.
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>>101020651
Catch 22.
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>>101024608
Currently reading it, hilarious as fuck.
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>>101024504
Well, yeah.
Lots of people use the word incorrectly as a hyperbole, such as whenever someone does something stupid, especially on 4chan.
What he described is something that someone with OCD or Aspergers would do, which would make him have a brain defect.
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>>101020651
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

>>101024556
I'm curious, why do you do that?
Do you have nothing else in your life to feel a sense of superiority?
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>>101024556
Stop that. Actually, don't. If you want willing torture and tedium, then go ahead.
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>>101016543
Reading is for fags
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>>101024479
Of course not.

That's why I browse /anime/ and have disabled image thumbnails on 4chan so that I can experience posts without the distractions of trivial reaction images.
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>>101024664
Yeah I'm not good at anything so it's my one way of sating my pride.

Can you imagine how shitty our lives would be if everyone could see how much they themselves were really worth? If we didn't actively and constantly delude ourselves into feeling superior.

>>101024710
I don't read shit so it doesn't feel tedious.
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>>101024433
My vote goes to Don Quixote, but I'm probably weighting it too much for its historical significance
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>>101024556
Sure the books I read are enjoyable, but I honestly would not read as much if it weren't for that.
People seem to light up when you tell them you read literature, and the think you're the smartest people in the world. So it helps for interactions too. It's nice to be able to talk with people about literature and talk to another person about anime.
I basically only read to help with my interactions with other people.
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>>101024716
So is 4chan
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>>101024781
You could be Buddhist. Putting up that facade of erudition and class feels like shit, since I've done it before.

Anyway, thanks for the thread, LNbros. It was a nice derail and book discussion.
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>>101024553
>>101024777
Apparently, he wasn't.
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>>101024781
Memento mori.
In the end, we're all equal so might as well spend your time enjoying yourself instead of trying to obtain false pride.
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>>101024777
I know what you mean.
I don't save reaction images because I'm not an underage faggot.
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>>101024853
You're really dense, anon.
It's kinda adorable.
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>>101022593
I can deal with most of that besides Hakomari.
Fuck you.
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>>101024853
I feel like you are trolling me at this point.
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>>101024433
Not sure, but I can definitely agree that it's the best book I've ever read.
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>>101024433
That book was great.
I'd say 1984 would be a good 20th-century contender for GOAT books, especially considering how fucking important it was.
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>>101024812
>People seem to light up when you tell them you read literature, and the think you're the smartest people in the world.
That says a lot about who you frequent... Many people would simply find it normal and think you are normal.
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>>101024433
Are you kidding me? It was generic literature for silly women. Not bad but the best?
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I watched the Jdrama of The Brothers Karamazov and I liked it. Am I a bad person?
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>>101016543
>no Marimite
>not even a mention of Marimite in the entire thread

Am I old, or does everyone here just suck?



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