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My friend is into SAO and I want to give him enough reasons for him to dislike this piece of shit outside of the obvious ones. I just don't want anything to slip me by because he is a stubborn guy and very childish when someone proves him wrong. I need your help /a/, I need to save his pitiful soul.
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>can't list own reasons

SAO haters in a nutshell.
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>>100978788
OP here

>Bad Plot
>Bad character development
>Predictable
>Easy way outs
>Bad direction

will avoid full details for now but I have plenty of reasons to say this anime is crap though I truly don't hate it
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>>100979215
Stop bumping your shit thread, faggot.
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Yes, SAO is bad, but it's not -worst- anime out there.
And why can't you let people enjoy what they enjoy- oh, wait, I forgot that this is /a/.
I'll take my leave again.
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>>100979215
Your friend's a fag for liking sao. You're a fag for making this thread.
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I had Toonami on in the background last night after watching Space Dandy, and I caught the end of an episode of this. I wasn't completely coherent, but it seemed as if the MCs sister confessed to him or, at least admitted that she wanted his dick? Did I hear that right, or did I hallucinate all of that? It seemed really odd, and confused my inebriated self.
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>>100979535
It happened. He refused to give the dick, though.
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>>100979535
That's probably one of the parts that actually makes sense. His little sister is not actually his sister but far cousin (not entirely sure there) so she wanted his dick after she found out
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>>100977765
Kirito is King Gary Stu who dons his mighty Black Coat of Plot Armor. Disappointing show. doesn't deserve a second season.
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>>100979215
>Bad Plot
How so?
>Bad character development
Agreed (at least, for the first two arcs/4 books)

>Predictable
Define "Predictable"
The MC wins in the end? When is this not the case?
He doesn't even win all the time... (he end up needing help on more than one occasion.


>Easy way outs
>Bad direction
Again, how so?
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>>100981618
>How so
Asspulls, plotholes, power of AI YO.

>When is this not the case
When the MC doesn't win although he had already lost, thanks to power of AI YO.
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>cool adventure story
>all of a sudden is a shitty romance drama

why is this not everyone's number 1 complaint?
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>>100977765
Because people were excited for a show that depicted the horror of being trapped in a death game. We got that for less than half a season.

Then it became the magic adventure of Kirito: The boy who is actually super talented at everything (Oh this stat is important? Mine is maxed. We need gold? I'm fucking rich) and who has stupid luck (Looks like I brought a sword to a gun fight, sucks to be you.) If the show was trying to be a comedy or something like that and he was a giant pompous badass it could be fun, but when you try to have a serious story with character development., drama and high stakes having a bland self inset for online gamers doesn't work because the whole plot is just a series of events that allow him to show how special he is. He's boring as fuck and the plot is retarded. Production values aren't bad, though.

Now fuck off.
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>>100981990
>self inset
self insert.
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I heard that the first arc of SAO was good, but then became shit after that.
Do you think this is the case?
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>>100981810
>Asspulls
Ok.
>Plotholes
Where?
>power of Ai/love
I don't think Kirito does this in the Anime. Like, at all.
ASUNA ON THE OTHER HAND
>Ignoring AGI stat to cross several KM in a couple minutes (Novel even says it was "Power of Love")
>Ignoring Paralysis status to get in the way of a deadly blow.

>When the MC doesn't win although he had already lost, thanks to power of AI YO.
I don't get what you're trying to say here.


>>100981954
It was actually meant to be a Romance (with action) to begin with. The whole adventure story elements and such were added later.
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Let him like what he likes. Don't be more of a fag OP.
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Why can't you just let him like what he likes?
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>Having friend
This is your problem idiot
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>>100982166
>Where?
Everything that adaptation cuts off from the novel, for the sake of screentime limitations. Read LN, you will see them.

>I don't think Kirito does this in the Anime
Sure he doesn't...not like there was a GIAGANTIC motherfucking YOU ARE DEAD on the entire screen, just before he defeats Heathcliff.

>I don't get what you're trying to say here.
It's not the case in every other shonen where MC wins because of pure resolve and guts, not because of magical power-up.
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>>100982120
No, first two episodes were okay and then.

>he's a beeta! Beeta!
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>>100982402
So your saying the Anime has plotholes, not the Light Novel? Ok. (If you notice, I point out that I DID read the story)

>Sure he doesn't...not like there was a GIAGANTIC motherfucking YOU ARE DEAD on the entire screen, just before he defeats Heathcliff.
But he doesn't shatter into polygons or anything (Anime did some BS for dramatic effect)
In the LN, he stabs Heathclif before he shatters into bits. (The "You Are Dead" notice appears before this, so yeah...)

>It's not the case in every other shonen where MC wins because of pure resolve and guts, not because of magical power-up.
Kirito won because of a magical power-up, when?
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>>100981618

>Bad Plot: Went from a survival environment to a magical land very quickly. No character really matters outside of the main 2 and even then Asuna can be discarded in the ALO part for being completely useless and apparently decreased IQ. Suguha just brought a little drama to the table and though it was a good 7 minutes of it that's just it, 7 minutes

>Easy way out:
Remember how Kirito defeated both main antagonist? No? Well let me remind you: By some outside miracle force. He didn't struggle nor found a solution, they were placed conveniently before him. He died against the first main antagonist and came back by some bullshit miracle thing even though they could have reached the same conclusion by taking a more expected route and still reaching the same conclusion (The Phoenix Down that Kirito had gotten a few episodes back, but for some reason they didn't)
Against the second antagonist, he somehow became master of the system out of nowhere, there was no actual clues nor mysteries to solve, he somehow just became god by introducing a password he somehow knew.

>Bad direction:
All of the above plus characters were really not important in any way possible. Was I supposed to feel sad when the girl from the guild died? I didn't in any way possible, I didn't care enough for her nor the other guys. Same can be said for other characters.
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>>100982748
>Kirito won because of a magical power-up, when?
Oh god, really now?

>"Herpderp, I'm an admin now"
>People die if they are killed, but Kirito doesn't give a fuck.

The entire series, both anime and LN are just one big asspull.

The only thing giving LN superiority is the pacing and room for explanation which eliminates plotholes.
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>>100982192
>>100982303
Because he bashes every good anime out there and likes crap. He despises Shingeki no Kyojin because is "mainstream and stupid" even though he has not even watched it.
He like Naruto to death (anime not manga)
He only watches anime because of the cute chicks they have.
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>>100983106
>snk
>good

Now that's a laugh, having in mind you made SAO hate thread.
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>>100983169
Would you like to explain to me with full detail why is it not good?
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I honestly liked the first season. well, the first 12 episodes. After that it went downhill and it was just fan based. To be honest, it's just a waterdown sappy bullshit .hack//sign. Not to mention the fan base is super homosex and annoying.
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>>100983250
Badly written characters(plus the MC +his yandere sidekick are the worst), predictable plottwist. Bland story straying from the early plot further and further in the series(does anybody even fucking remember it's about getting to the basement?) which makes you think that Isayama wants to take oportunity out of it's popularity and milk the fuck out of the title with irreasonable amount of chapters.
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>>100982942
These are all problems with the Anime, that were caused because of how the LN is structured. (Aside from character development. That seems to be a real problem the author had in the early books)

> He died against the first main antagonist and came back by some bullshit miracle thing
As I said earlier, this was a fault with the anime. In the novel, he was stabbed, and his HP dropped to 0. But a moment before his avatar shattered, Kirito stabbed Heathcliff. The anime for some reason made it seem like he died, and then came back to life.

>he somehow became master of the system out of nowhere
That.. was pretty much out of nowhere. I would assume Kayaba told him right before, or something. (Though, Kayaba wasn't even shown until 1 minute before this.. so yeah.)

>>100983028
>"Herpderp, I'm an admin now"
While it Was pretty random, it's not like he used his admin powers to win. (Though, he did use it to disempower Sugou,) and just used his own sword to beat him.
>People die if they are killed, but Kirito doesn't give a fuck.
See above.
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>>100983106
Again, why do you care? He is free to do whatever he likes and you are free to do what you like.
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>>100983579
> In the novel, he was stabbed, and his HP dropped to 0. But a moment before his avatar shattered, Kirito stabbed Heathcliff

That's not how fucking MMORPGs work.
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>>100983578
You don't read the manga do you? That still their main objective and everything has been preparation for that, they are about to engage into battle to take over that section of the wall thanks to the MC new ability
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>>100983747
Do you read the manga? The opportunity to get solution to the main plot was few chapters back when they plugged the hole in the wall.

But instead Isayama came out with bunch of new story devices first of them being the Beast Titan.

Mark the words, this will be yet another 600 chapter moneycow.
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>>100983579
>As I said earlier, this was a fault with the anime. In the novel, he was stabbed, and his HP dropped to 0. But a moment before his avatar shattered, Kirito stabbed Heathcliff. The anime for some reason made it seem like he died, and then came back to life.

That still sounds pretty forced to me
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>>100983738
Who's to say the game mechanics for this game weren't different?
I mean, It's been established that Kayaba didn't make SAO to seem like any other game, due to his Chuuni delusions and desires to make a fantasy world.

Not a strong argument, but it's not unlikely that the game was designed like this.
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You know, I'm actually pretty satisfied with the SAO fanbase we have on /a/. The rampant hate keeps us on our good behavior. No helping the trolls and blatant reverse-trolls, though.
>but the off-site fanbase is terrible!
And that's why you stay on /a/.
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Who gives a shit, let him like what he likes and stop being a dick. It sounds like you're the stubborn childish one since you think it's your responsibility to rob him of things he enjoys
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>>100983579
As what >>100983738 wrote, thats not how things worked in MMO as when you reach 0 hp all actions should be invalid since you are dead. with all honesty the whole "i can still move even if i have no HP" would have been justificable if it was Accel world but since this is SAO then that thing is only pure BS.

>>100984008
Ok i'll ride with your "mechanics are different than that of other MMORPG's", does the book or anime says how many seconds can you move before you are scattered to dust?
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>>100984203
It does only say you have 10 seconds before your brain is fried.

Nothing about how much you have before you shatter in-game. Oh, and looking by how other characters shatter instantly by getting deathblows, it's safe to asume Kirito shouldn't have had any time to stab Heathcliff after he fucking died.
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>>100979453
>>100979275
Cry more
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>>100982120
I've liked the second half of SAO waaaay better than the first. It's still pretty bad, but most of the teenage edginess has gone and the focus is mostly on best girl AKA Sugu.
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I don't know why you guys herp and derp on the whole stabbing thing when Asuna's breaking of her paralysis is far more inexplicable and indefensible.
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>>100984552
Because Kirito is the MC of the story and nobody gives a damn about that ginger slut?
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>>100984203
No, it's never stated. It's clear you can still talk after reaching 0 HP (Diabel got one sentence in before scattering. Though, I'm not sure how long it had been after he hit 0HP)

And I want to point out this, >>100984552 but "two wrongs don't make a right," comes to mind. (Asuna breaks the game more often than Kirito. She even contracts Kirito's cold, through the game at one point. what...)
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Cuz kirito is herp derp

>Get access to GM console
>Can save everyone and kick everybody out of the game
>Saves some shitty AI

>Has Asuna served on a silver plate
>Refuses

>Gives extremely valuable info cuz some stupid idiot asks for it

>Bad guy and stupid idiot ask him to leave for a walk leaving all crystals
>Accepts
>Eats food provided by the same bad guy

Is it enough? Kirito is so fucking stupid he might fall for the black notes scam... twice
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>>100983738
Yes they do, specially in pirated servers with shitloads of lag
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>>100984944
>Can save everyone and kick everybody out of the game
I don't... You realize he was using Yui's credentials to use that GM console, right? Do you know how permissions work? I'm fairly certain Kayaba's account was the only one with the authority to do something like that.


>Has Asuna served on a silver plate
What...?


>Gives extremely valuable info cuz some stupid idiot asks for it
What...?
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>>100985164
Just read
>>100981990
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>>100985233
That post has nothing to do with what I'm asking. That person seems to just be stating issues with the anime, and repeating things everyone else has said.
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>>100985233
>That person seems to just be stating issues with the anime
>Reference something that hasn't been animated yet
>Complaining about the anime
My God SAO defenders are retarded.
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>>100985665
>That person seems to just be stating issues with the anime
>Reference something that hasn't been animated yet
>Complaining about the anime
My God SAO defenders are retarded.
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>>100986031
That ONE mention about guns? Didn't feel that was worth mentioning, considering it didn't even seem that person read the novel.
Kirito didn't ONLY have a sword.
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>>100986459
>Didn't feel that was worth mentioning
>It doesn't count because I said so!
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>>100986459
He has a gun in the novel? So much for >[{("SWORD")]}< Art Online
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>>100986616
Didn't think it was worth mentioning, because he implied Kirito used ONLY a sword. Which was untrue.

>>100986644
Well he still has a sword...
Also, all the arcs and mini-arcs all link back to the events of SAO, anyways.
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Funny how this show is discussed more than ones that are "liked".
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>>100987270
Because it's popular. Popular doesn't mean good, mind you, but of course it's going to get discussed.



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