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Nisekoi, /a/.
FFF, HS, Commie or EveTaku?
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Commie.
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Evetaku
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FFF
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Red Hawk
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EveTaku
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>Commie
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>>100969031
Commie its never a option.
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Anyone who says Commie is epicly trolling. Go with HS or FFF.
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>>100969377
Why is commie never an option?
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Commie, for real.
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>>100969499
He's just an idiot.
Commie has decent subs for a lot of shows.

>Commie
This shit is just some 'do I fit in yet' on /a/.
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NISEKOI A SHIT
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>>100969703

Yeah, because it doesn't matter when they do shit like the eotena fiasco or when they usually put retarded jokes in their subs.
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Red Hawk Scans
The anime is shit
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>>100969915
Commie is highly defendant on staff and therefore saying that they're never an opinion is always wrong.
Same goes for >Commie.
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>>100969494
>Anyone who says Commie is epicly trolling. Go with HS or FFF.
> Reccomends HS
also, epicly? What are you, 12?
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>>100969986
The anime is better than the manga.
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HS. FFF and Commie are shit.

Evetaku isn't, but they're fucking slow. So if you can wait go with them, if not go with HS.
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>>100970064
>saying that they're never an opinion

Not the guy who said that, but saying they are not an option is not that far fetched when they have an history on doing that shit.
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>>100970100
I don't read the manga, will i enjoy the anime?
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>>100970325
FFF is doing the same shit every season but nobody complains about them.

>>100970336
Yes.
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>>100970336

Do you like shaft? Did you like monogatari?
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>>100970336
It's complete trash.
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>>100970371
Yes.
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>>100969233
>>100969986
No, CXC
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Commie is the best group to go with.
Don't listen to the >Commie meme spouters.
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>>100970400

Then go ahead and give it a try.

>>100970480

Only a commie dev could say this.
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>>100969915
Commie is a mix of blunders and successes.
Recent blunders include Yahari, SnK, Maou-sama etc.
But some shows they are far and ahead the best subs, Monogatari S2, Diamond no EEEEsu, Nisekoi, GuP off the top of my head.
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>>100970360
>FFF is doing the same shit every season but nobody complains about them.
Might have something to do with nobody watching their releases.
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>>100970528
>Only a commie dev could say this.

Sure, whatever you say, anon.
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What the hell?
Did moot fix greentexting mid-sentence?
Fucking >jew.
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>>100970733
Moot never fixes anything.
All he did the past few years was make the page worse and worse.
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>>100970543
>Recent blunders include Yahari, SnK, Maou-sama etc.

Show - TL / Editor
Yahari - Futsuu / corti
Maou-sama - Futsuu / corti
SnK - Crunchyroll / Margaan

Monogatari - Vale+Futsuu / Csiko
Diamond - Crunchyroll / herkz
Nisekoi - Crunchyroll / brainchild
GuP - fnord / animationslos

*Note: herkz barely touches scripts, he's where Commie gets its reputation for being nothing more than a Crunchyroll Factory.
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Wait, why does Nisekoi get so much hate? I haven't been in any threads and watched EP1 and 2 yesterday. It was fun as hell, almost my favorite this season. What's wrong with it?
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>>100970972
CR scrips aren't horrible. Even with the most rudimentary understanding of Japanese a combo of subs and audio is more than enough to follow the story.
Good subs for me comes down to typesetting, speed, file size, and encodes. Over-localization too.
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>>100971082

Yakuzas stops being relevant in the story.
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>>100971082
Generic harem, plot goes no where. I think it's brainless fun but I can see how people can hate it.
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>>100969031
Here's what I have to say. Watched the first episode with all four of those.

HorribleSubs
PROS:
>Fastest release
>Decent translations

CONS:
>Lack of good typesetting
>Mediocre encoding

FFF
PROS:
>Decent typesetting

CONS:
>shitty translations (worse than Commie; not really surprised)
>slowest with release (one week after HS)

Commie
PROS:
>Excellent typesetting
>Second-fastest with release (1-2 days after HS)

CONS:
>Some liberalization (but not as much as FFF)

EveTaku
PROS:
>Excellent translations
>Good typesetting
>Third fastest (about 1-2 days after Commie)

CONS:
>A bit slow with release (although not as slow as FFF)

VERDICT:
Go for either Commie or EveTaku. Which one you choose is entirely up to you.
Commie has better typesetting than EveTaku, but EveTaku has better translation.
Hope this helps.

>inb4 spoonfeeding
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>>100971082
The joke gets old fast. I enjoyed the first two episodes. But I only got half way through the 3rd before I got bored with it.
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>>100971082
Probably people who reads the manga went "It's different from muh source"
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>>100971166
I'm not judging, simply presenting. I appreciate a lot of what herkz does, but the point stands that when you see herkz as an editor/timer/typesetter for a Crunchyroll script, don't expect that a great deal has changed. It's certainly still better than HorribleSubs for the encode alone.
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FFF is the best by far. Just take a look at pic related. This is something that a real person would say. It flows, it's natural. It's an actually good translation, something we don't get from CR too often.

>>100971082

Because the plot is harem nonsense, so even though SHAFT is saving it with cinematography some people still dislike it.

Also, mangafags mad over it being made better.
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>>100971215
The FFF part is not true, they are bad because they are so slow.

Real verdict: Go for evetaku or horriblesubs if you do not want to wait.
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>>100971289
The anime is actually better than the manga, though.
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>>100971082
Because:

>Shaft
>Harem
>Shounen
>Jump manga
>Popular
>Episodic story format
>Easy to throw buzzwords at
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>>100971336
>>100971289
>>100971266
>>100971176
>>100971213
How is it harem? There's 2 girls and one of them is a shity childhood friend that will thankfully lose. The only thing I dislike about the show is that that whore is relevant at all, I wish it was just femMC and MC.

Seems more like a love-triangle.
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>>100971368
FFF IS Commie in disguise dude, I don't really understand how people haven't realized that yet.
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>>100971336

Didn't know japanese people use Jesus as an exclamation.
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>>100971425
Chitoge basically is the feMC, and more girls get introduced later in the story.
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>>100971485

I didn't know Japanese people regularly spoke in English, either, yet that's what language these subs are in.
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>>100971425
>tsundere
>plain girl
>fiance
>tomboy

There's probably more that I forgot
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So can we all agree that Commie is the best fansubbing group?
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>>100971436
FFF has managed to avoid the hatred that Commie gets by being 1) Much slower than Commie so rarely relevant, and 2) Not nearly as prolific as Commie. So rarely relevant.
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>>100971519
I don't remember the names because I watch 10 shows a season, but I'll assume Chitoge is the childhood friend. She'll take the lead role as feMC? NOW I understand how this can only be disliked. Holy shit she's so fucking annoying.
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>>100970543
Their Yahari and Maou subs were superior to FFF and all others, though.
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>>100971532

For the sake of letting the viewer know what they're saying in japanese, nothing else.
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>>100971425
There are arguably 6 girls in the harem. One of them, Onodera's sister, likely won't show up in the anime. Another, the girl with the last key, hasn't shown up in the manga yet.

The next episode will probably introduce Tsumugu who develops unrequited feelings for the MC and they make very clear that she just has a first love destined to fail.

Later on they will introduce Marika who is obsessed and very much in love with Raku.

The story primarily focuses on Chitoge and Onodera though.
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>>100971572
>I'll assume Chitoge is the childhood friend.

I'm most likely watching more shows than you are, but damn, do you even pay attention?
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>>100971485

Don't worry subs are a filter so you can pretend you are not watching a Japanese cartoon and also not feel awkward for doing so.
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Is this really 2-cour? I saw someone mention it in a different thread but I kind of doubt it considering its Shaft.
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>>100971572
If you're not even going to bother paying attention then don't bother watching the shows.
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FFF is dreadful. Absolutely terrible.
Like 2012 Commie levels of bad.

The other three are HS or HS edits. EveTaku is probably the best but slow as shit.
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>>100971336
I don't see the problem with how commie handled it
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>>100971628
Honestly I really can't memorize names for shit. Except Tada Banri I do not know a single name anymore. Fuck me silly.

Anyway if that's Chitoge everything is alright.

Wait, more than one person has a key to his shitty lock? Are you freaking kidding me?
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>>100971572
>but I'll assume Chitoge is the childhood friend. She'll take the lead role as feMC?
We don't know who the silhouette/promised girl is. The story doesn't really have a feMC, but you could argue Chitoge and/or Onodera hold that role.
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>>100971692
EveTaku is an original translation.
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>>100971722
Chitoge has a key too.

But really anon, they say each of their names an amazingly high amount of times per episode.
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>>100971368
It is true, FFF deliberately stalls releases, picks up more shows than they can handle, and have some pretty bad editors, as well some that like to troll like Commie (probably the same guy).
And they do have some of the worst translators in the current fansubbing scene.
That dude who translated DxD New for them, for example.
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>>100971722
There are four keys. Three of them are just some kind of guard for the one true key. It's all based on the fairy tail mentioned at the beginning of the story.
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>>100971767
I know and I am sincerely sorry for disappointing you. Please forgive me.
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>>100971722

I'm expecting some bullshit like the MC gave a bunch of keys to several girls he liked as a little boy.
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>>100971807
>(probably the same guy)

Protip: The biggest fansub groups share the same staff.
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>>100971555
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=2&term=golden+time
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=1_37&filter=2&term=infinite+stratos
Doesn't look like it.

Every group these days has the same people in all of them, the only difference between releases are the 'ideals' each group follows.

The same people doing the same show under different groups could get you an entirely different script.
SEE: http://unanimated.xtreemhost.com/commie-vs-vivid.htm
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>>100971594

Why? Why not make them actually sound natural? If subs read stilted and shitty in English they're not good subs. Would you prefer "Gosh, stop making such a big deal over trivial details?"

No, of course you wouldn't, because Japanese people don't say "gosh".

>>100971692

In fact, that's not true at all. And even if it were that would be a good thing. Do you remember Commie's S-tier Jojo subs?

>>100971706

It doesn't sound like something a real person would say in frustration. See http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AK6NqBRkdl
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>>100971706
EveTaku had the same, but without "My."

And FFF dropped in some shitty proverb yet again.
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>>100971831
B-baka! If you think I'd ever forgive you for thinking I'm that generic childhood friend then you have another thing coming!
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>>100971903
Sounds okay to me.
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>>100971951
I wish you would suck my cock with that expression on your face.
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>>100971889
>Do you remember Commie's S-tier Jojo subs?
I remember their typesetting for the ultimate Cars info SETTING MY COMPUTER AFLAME.
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>>100971888
Exceptions don't prove the rule. FFF, as a general rule, releases days after airing. Commie, as a general rule, releases within the day.

And of course we all know of the Fansub Cartel.
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>>100971807
FFF started Non Non Biyori (which started on October 7th and ended December 23rd) on October 31st. They still aren't finished subbing it.
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I think I'd pick HorribleSubs, but that's just me.
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>>100972072
Yeah it was awesome wasn't it?

I'll take overzealous typesetting over zero or negligible typesetting any day of the week.
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>>100972081
>Fansub Cartel.

Are those the niggers who doesn't like honorifics and shit? I certainly couldn't care less about fansub drama but dammit a fansub cartel is hilarious.
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>>100972059

>FFF made their subs worse because of whiners

Fuck. Maybe I'll try Evetaku for ep 3.

>>100972072

Were you not using xy-vsfilter or something, or were you just on a toaster?
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>>100972125
Because everyone was just watching HS and they had many other shows to do. It's just not a priority.
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>>100972081
You're not looking at the torrent posting times.
Both FFF and Commie release within 24h of airing most of the time.
Both FFF and Commie are late for a few shows.

Commie appears faster because some of their shows are copy pasted CR scripts with herkz 'editing'.
A group who's consistently slow would be one like Hatsuyuki, or m.3.3.w.
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>>100972125
NNB is a complex show who needs a shitloads of typesetting.
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>>100972229
then why bother picking it up and not finishing it? seems like another case of failed epenis
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>>100972059
That's one of the things I hate about FFF as well.
They totally fail the the first episode most of the time and then dare to say that the editor was missing or that they were simply trolling.

Happened a bunch of times already, no idea if Nisekoi was the case as well.
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>>100972209
They have dual tracks.
http://www.diffchecker.com/k7asrwoh
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>>100972186
No, it has nothing to do with honorifics. It's just a general name of the overall incestuous circlejerk that is the fansubbing scene.
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>>100971889
>It doesn't sound like something a real person would say
I think it sounds like what 16 yo could say
>See http://vocaroo.com/i/s1AK6NqBRkdl
It's still the matter of preference so it doesn't make FFF best out of all groups
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>>100972247
>Commie appears faster because some of their shows are copy pasted CR scripts with herkz 'editing'.
>'editing'
uh, herkz is one of the better editors for commie, and that's coming from me.
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>>100972270
Because BDs, retard. Who the hell wants HS for their BD releases?
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>>100972301
I don't think they've ever said they were trolling.
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>>100972259
That is probably sarcasm. But they started subbing three weeks after it started. There was a one month delay between episodes 8 and 9.
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>>100972129
>>100972270
Is there any reason why SYD is taking so long for the most recent episodes? Or am I mistaken in remembering episodes 1 and 2 being released by you guys on a Saturday?
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>>100972229
That's why I said that they're faggots who pick up more than they can handle.

This season for example, WCW on CR is 3 days late and they still managed to release over 1 day later than HS.
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>>100972340
>Who the hell wants HS for their BD releases?

/v/

They're basically the only people who bother downloading their shitty rips.
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HorribleSubs. Why wait?
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>>100972340
are you implying that starting a tv release, stalling it, and completing it with bd releases is a good process?
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>>100972318
http://www.crymore.net/2013/10/12/fakesub-review-commie-galilei-donnasamurai-flamencoyowamushi-pedal-episode-01/
Looks like great editing to me.
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>>100972135
>I'll take overzealous typesetting over zero or negligible typesetting any day of the week.
Indeed.

>>100972209
>Were you not using xy-vsfilter or something, or were you just on a toaster?
I'm using xy-vsfilter, and I'm not on a toaster. I actually had this discussion with Haidara and Xythar, and the conclusion was that I had to deal with it.
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>>100972350
Aquarion Evol is one example I remember, or my memory is simply serving me wrong today, but I'm pretty sure.
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>>100972407
That seems to be FFF's mindset for Non Non Biyori at least.
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>>100972407
Are you implying everyone picks everything up when it's airing and the quality afterwards is irrelevant?
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>>100972395
I don't mind CR subs, it's just that sometimes they have really shitty rips
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>>100972247
I looked at what you posted. Those are two shows in the groups respective entire histories. I'm judging based off of my experience with FFF and Commie which says that when I choose to watch FFF, I am making the decision to wait at least a day longer than the alternatives, if not more.

>>100972318
herkz is a good editor in the sense that he takes decent scripts and he doesn't fuck them up. He fixes mistakes and smooths out some lines, but is largely unnoticeable. Which is definitely a good thing compared to other editors they've had.
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>>100972369

Availability Information

Due to delivery delays, Seitokai Yakuindomo episodes will now be launching on Tuesdays at 10am. Thank you for your patience and continued support.
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>>100972125
You can probably say the same for many groups.
>Commie's Maria Holic?
>UTW's Nisemonogatari
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>>100972451
what? we're talking about FFF's NNB, aren't we?
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Everyone saying Commie is weird.
It is essentially Horrible Subs with better ts, since they rip video for their Nisekoi releases from crunchy, why wait when you can download hs much earlier?
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>>100972495
The only reason to wait for UTW's Nise is because 8th is TLCing the BD release.
Too bad Daiz's shit taste in fonts and outlines makes it barely readable.
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>>100972485
Thank you.
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>>100972566
Oh god, I forgot about that horrendous yellow.
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>>100972495
>UTW's Nisemonogatari

Like that even exists.
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>>100972566
remember when daiz was good at styling?
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>>100972475
I'd probably be able to find more examples of FFF being faster than Commie or the other way round.
That's not really the point though, my point is both groups are really just as fast, and they both occasionally delay episodes because of missing people.

IMO, I'd rather they do this, than what groups like Anime-koi do: Release the script unedited so they'll be "fast".
Anime-Koi has been called out several times by Dark_Sage for doing so: Look at the old review rejection queues for an entire list of episodes they don't want reviewed because they released them unedited.
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>>100972495
>>UTW's Nisemonogatari

They are doing the BDs, they didn't sub it when it was airing.
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>>100972566
>>100972605
He fortunately came to his senses with that. Their ep03 has a better styling, and the first ones will probably get v2'd for the batch.
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>>100972633
He still is. He's also the best at encoding. Underwater is the only group worth waiting for over horriblesubs currently.
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>>100972657
>the batch
Yeah, just about the same time Kizu is released, right?
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>>100972633
No.

I don't mean that, but someone had to say it.
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>>100972722
I bet Kizu will be out before their batch.
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>>100969986
>The anime is shit
Perfect adaption of the manga then.
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>>100972749
I bet Monogatari Series Season 3 will be out before their batch.

And they're not even subbing the commentary.
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>>100972789
Most likely, yes.
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There's only one way to solve this.
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>>100972751
The anime is even worse, Only Shaft dick lickers like that shit
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I still don't get how this is only 11 episodes. We'll only have Marika for one episode, if the pacing continues like this.
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>>100972828
A better term to insult people that like Shaft are Shaft-strokers, derived from stroking your dick while masturbating
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How do I go about becoming an editor/QCer? I have a rudimentary understanding of Japanese but a great (native, of course) grasp on English. I'm certainly better than brainchild putting shit like "Monkey AIDS" in Nisekoi.
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>>100972875
you need an excellent sense of humor to come up with stuff like "Monkey AIDS" to become a qcer for any group nowadays
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>>100972637
DS is an idiot.
Random people on /a/ can rip his scripts apart.

Why do you think he is pretending to be good at reviewing instead of editing a few shows?
That's also one of the reasons he started to do translation parties and judges typesetting and OP/ED styling instead of the script alone (which is the most important thing).

Pretty sure some anon can link you to that page when someone reviewed his script.

In other words, download them and judge yourself, but never trust him.
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>>100972828
The anime makes it bearable and somewhat fun.
The manga is pure shit.
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>>100972959
you don't need to be a good editor to be a good reviewer
you don't need to be a good football player to be a good coach
you don't need to be a good basketball player to be a good coach
you don't need to be a good cook to be a great food reviewer
you don't need to be a good musician to judge music

what is with shitty fallacies on /a/ these days
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>>100971082
generic harem and the only tweest (mafia families keeping MCs together) got stale really fast and now plays no part in the story at all.

the characters and reactions are adorable tho so i can't help but read it every week.
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So, how about that nisekoi guys.
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>>100973135
I like that its name seems like it's an abbreviation for an entire sentence LN title but it's actually just Nisekoi.
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>>100973034
Yes, you don't.
But he is clearly neither.
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>>100973135
shit
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>>100973135
Mostly liking Nao Touyama playing a haughty character, I feel like I've only ever seen her cast as nice, sweet girls.

Any time the promised girl/key/lock thing comes up I roll my eyes though, even before the mangafags explained it gets dragged out for eternity, I could already tell that was going to happen.

As for subs, I think EveTaku is the best of the bunch so far, but they're slow as fuck, I don't see any reason not to just watch HS and move on.
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Why does this style seem so familiar?
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>>100973488
Etrian Odyssey.
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>>100973488
It's TTGL meets C3 Bu.
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Evetaku
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>>100973488
Feels like I've seen this art style before too.
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The answer is always anything but Commie.
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>>100973488
Monogatari endcard with Hanekawa and Gahara
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>>100973679
Ah, just FUCKING GOOGLED it, it's the Type Moon dude.
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>>100973135
The directing is very similar to Bakemonogatari. The small amount of fanservice compared to most other harem series makes it more accessible to a wider variety of viewers. The girls are cute and have nice character design. The MC clearly has a love interest and tries to take small steps to keep a relationship with her and eventually turn it into a romantic one. The ost is okay and the anime is visually appealing. The reaction faces are what lead the way in terms of comedy. It makes use of a wide variety cliches often found in the genre.

All in all, it's pretty great, but something like it only works as a weekly series.
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>>100973514

Looks like it but I don't know if it's really Himukai.
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What's with the tie clips on their blouses? It gives the illusion that all the girls are kinda fat...
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>>100973946
Problem?
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>>100973946
>fat
What are you on about?
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>>100972125
İ waited for Joshiraku and I think I can wait for Non Non Biyori.
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>>100974258
Imagine her stomach goes out to where the tie does. I know it's stupid, and it's my brain being retarded, but it always bugs me for a split second when I see it.
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>>100974418
Just watch m.3.3.w's release.
It's superior to FFF anyway.
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>>100972845
Split-cour?
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>>100974642
According to fansubdb Nisekoi is 2-cour.
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>>100974642
Guess that's the case.
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>>100974549
>m33w
>superior
0/10.
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>>100974740
According to the >official site it's 11 episodes.
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>>100974797
Oh it doesn't work anymore?

Anyhow official site only has 11 episodes listed.
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>>100973679
How could you not recognize Koyama? His style is pretty obvious.
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>>100974897
What, the >triple spoiler?
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>>100974897
That doesn't matter at all.

Airing schedule has listed up to 12 for example.
It's pretty certain, that it will be 2x12.
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>>100974955
What the fuck. I don't understand why moot feels like this is a thing that needs to be disabled.

Maybe we need >FIVE spoilers?
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>>100974956
>That doesn't matter at all.

I'm pretty sure it does. The BDs on amazon also only have 11 episodes.
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>>100974897
>Anyhow official site only has 11 episodes listed.
Only has 4 volumes up for pre order so far. It doesn't mean that they won't have more volumes available up there at a later date.
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>>100974946
I'm gonna blame the girls' eyes as a poor excuse.
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>>100975142
Maybe they will air second cour in autumn or winter?
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>>100975220
Highly doubt it. When was the last time a company only released a few of the BDs?

Something I noticed, though; links for BDs are

http://www.nisekoi.jp/item/01_02.html

So it's possible we'll get a 02_02 as well later this year.
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I dunno, the the fact that the first volume is 2 episodes and the rest are 3 sort of fits into the 20 episode bit

Vol 1 - 2
Vol 2 - 5
Vol 3 - 8
Vol 4 - 11
Vol 5 - 14
Vol 6 - 17
Vol 7 - 20
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>>100969031
None. Drop that shit.
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>>100974897
Maybe they will air second cour in autumn or winter?
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>>100975477
Split cour makes the most sense, yes.
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Use Horrible subs whene available

Use other options que you want good visual Encodes, not subs
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is crymore.net a good place to take recommendations for subs
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Should I watch Vivid or anime-koi for Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha.
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>>100977885
No.
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Are BD subs always the best
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>>100978025
Vivid.
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>>100978107
BD groups usually use the TV fansub they liked best, and just slap it on their own encode with little to no editing.

Of course, you should almost always choose BD releases over TV ones.
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>>100978025
>>100978131
Yes, Vivid is the best sub group for Inari Konkon but they are really slow.
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>>100978131
>>100978631
is vivid one of the best groups
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>>100978782
Their subs have been good so far, at least. We'll see how they'll hold up over time.
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>>100978782
There is no really such thing as a best group in times when you have 80% of the season simulcasted within hour of airing time in japan.
The question right now is not, which group is the best, but which one you should avoid most of the time.
And Vivid isn't the one to avoid, but as far as i can tell, both Anime koi and Vivid use Funisubs for their Inari releases, so it's really matter of preferences. I personally like Vivid editing more and find their overall releases more solid. But hey, if you don't want to wait some more, you can go watch Anime Koi, you can't go wrong with those two.
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Where do I go to find who is on the subbing team and what scripts a group is using
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>>100982825
If the group doesn't list that on their website you can always ask them on their IRC channel.



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