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>>100965351
They're both jokes. Get a sense of humor.
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>>100965426
>Yuki winning da Kyon
yeah I guess they are both jokes.

Good observation.
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>>100965351
You chose the wrong absolute despair face.
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>>100965630
This one is the correct one.
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>>100965630
This one?
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>joke
>not the true reason they called that episode the turning point of the entier serie.
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>>100965630
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>>100965795
Haruto, you faggot.
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Why is Mako so moe?
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>>100965852
He already had a better waifu.
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>>100965795
I miss VVV S1.
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>next episode opens up with Mako sitting alone in darkness
>steady dripping of tears as she cries silently
>finally she says in a half sob "I thought we were friends..."
>Cuts to new OP
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>>100966278
also,
>Mako joins Satsuki and gets her uniform back
10/10 would watch
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>>100965351
Truly heartless
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>>100966278
>Mako crying alone

Don't do this too me, man! I couldn't take it. She's always been so happy and cheerful. The contrast would be too much for my heart to bare.
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>>100966278
>Half the shows budget goes into animating this one scene
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This thread sems like a nice place.
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>>100965351
That Nagato's almost-crying face after Kyon rejected her invitation is still the best soul-crushed expression in anime ever.
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>>100965804
We can do better.
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>>100967542
This truly feels like a SHAFT anime.
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>>100967285
You're joking, right?
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>>100967776
post a better one, faggot.
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>>100965351
Robots don't have souls.
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>>100967542
>tfw your soul shatters in a million pieces and you will never be the same
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>>100967830
Neither do humans.
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>>100967542
I never really got into Monogatari after that episode. I tried to watch the final arc, but I just didn't feel interested any more. With Snail gone, there's a huge hole in my heart.
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>>100967830
However the robot thinks it has feelings, thus creating a placebo effect where the robot actually feels.
You feelin' me?
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>Nagato
>Soul
Dude, what?
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>>100967864
I know the image source is 4chan, but do you happen totangetially know what show it is? It always looked like itwould be a great soruce of reactions.
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>>100967973
Fuck off. Vulcans don't have souls either.
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>>100967978
>>100967776
Nagatofags that get torn up over that scene are the ones that missed the entire point of the movie. Kyon did the right thing, Nagato was in the wrong there.
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>>100965852
He already gave her the dick.
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>>100967830
I'm sure you could make a platonic argument that they do.
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>>100968139
>Plato
>When Plato gave Socrates' definition of man as "featherless bipeds" and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man."
>After this incident, "with broad flat nails" was added to Plato's definition.
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>>100968576
Chickens do not naturally lack feathers though.
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>>100968642
So by plucking one you make it a man.
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There's a tear dripping from Mako's eye and she spends the next minute in shock, mouth agape, staring off into the distance. I'm pretty sure she wasn't running a gag routine when her best friend says she likes talking to her shirt more than her.
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>>100968642
Fuck off. You get his point. Is a pig a man?

What is a man?
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>>100968732
>her best friend says she likes talking to her shirt more than her.

That isn't what happened. She said "Senketsu and I are two in one" not "Senketsu is my only friend"
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this entire anime is a gag
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>>100968815
A miserable little pile of secrets.
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>>100968815
A Miserable little pile of secrets.
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>>100968882
>>100968903
Secret mind
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>>100968091
The point of the movie was Kyon realizing that he doesn't want a normal reality, it has nothing to do with right or wrong
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>>100968882
BUT ENOUGH TALK, HAVE AT YOU
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>>100969058
She was still in the wrong.
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>>100968041
Densha Otoko. Aside from being a great source of reactions it's actually a very good show. The only J-drama I've enjoyed.
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>>100969197
I'm so glad I will never be as delusional as a yukifag. She's still the best girl, but these people are insane.
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>>100969197
This is largely arguable. The world they lived in wasn't the original one in the first place. Haruhi created it.
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>>100969290
Who created Haruhi though?
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>>100969406
Haruhi is the unmoved mover.
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>>100969406
Nagaru Tanigawa and Noizi Ito
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>>100965937
That macro is wrong.
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>>100969406
If you assume the necessity of a creator for Haruhi, then you need to assume the necessity of a creator for the creator for the creator to infinity
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>>100969818
Not necessarily.
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>>100967940
>he isn't interested in arguably the best monogatari arc period
i miss hachikuji too but c'mon man
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>>100966278
No, they'd build it up first.
>episodes go by, they talk less and less
>one of the last episodes
>nui's still not dead
>Ryuuko's still fixated on it
>about to fuck up this big complicated plan against big bad over it
>outright states she doesn't care in the meeting
>Mako throws a rock at her head, to everyone's surprise
>"NUI? What about us? You've been on this revenge binge ever since you moved here, and where has that gotten you?"
>throws another rock
>"Do you know what it's like seeing you so hung up on this? Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to see your best friend so fixated on a scheme that won't even matter in the long run, to the point where she completely ignores you?"
>"What's your point?"
>Mako, about to throw another rock, "What's m- wha- what's my point? Okay, so the truth comes out, doesn't it?" drops rock
>everyone steps over themselves to leave the room
>"Ryuuko, what happened to you? I thought you were so cool when we started meeting. Don't tell me this was on your mind the whole time. Didn't...didn't I matter? Wasn't I a good friend to you?"
>Ryuuko, curiously: "What are you trying to say?"
>Mako, dejectedly: "I'm done. I'm done trying to be your friend." starts crying "If you want to go and risk getting yourself hacked to pieces over nothing important, do it yourself, because you're on your own." walks dejectedly out of room
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>>100969893
that would be just arbitrary and inconsistent.
You either assume powers can be born from themselves, and therefore Haruhi doesn't need a creator, or either you don't, and therefore it's an infinite ladder
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>>100970320
Life is inconsistent. Why can't the being that created haruhi be the stopping point? Or the one behind that?
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>>100970426
It's arbitrary, based on personal preferences/feelings, not verifiable and not consistent - and this makes it unusable as an argument, which is what matters in this specific discussion
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>>100970426
because either powers can be born from themselves or they are born from a higher power
a or b man it's not that hard
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>>100970621
But those aren't mutually exclusive.
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wait, so what's this about mako getting snubbed?
when i watched the episode, mako didn't seem crushed at all. she just seemed like good ol' mako, helping her friend and holding on to the scissor half.

how/why is her soul crushed? i dont geddit
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>>100970621
Why can't one power be self-caused and another be made?

Why can't they both be made by each other through weird time shit?

There really is no reason why not.
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>>100970426
The truth is that Kyon is the god and he made Haruhi.
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>>100970693
Basically a bunch of fags who think that if the plucky, comical sidekick doesn't get her spirit broken and/or die, she is completely worthless.
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>>100969406
Kyon.
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>>100970657
I hate to discuss in a language that's not my mothertongue, it is difficult to express convoluted ideas

Forgive my bad syntax please

No, they aren't exclusive. One can assume that powers can be generated by themselves and then they can create new powers or new beings with powers. In fact, this is canonically happening in Haruhi. Haruhi has created beings with powers.
This is not a counter argument to my point

My point is that it is not necessary to assume there must be a creator for haruhi.
The only reasone one could assume that a creator is necessary is to enforce the idea that no power can be born from itself. This would justify the standpoint that wants a creator for haruhi no matter what, but it would also raise many questions.

I'm not saying that haruhi couldn't have been created by a superior being. I'm saying that it is not necessary to assume that.

One might reply "I believe that Haruhi was created by the original god, whose powers were born by themselves"
That would be arbitrary though.

And basically, in the end, trying to imply a creator for Haruhi is not a solid point.
(originally we were discussing about the ethics of what Nagato did, btw)
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>>100970706
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>>100971052
This show is not necessary, but it still exists.

It isn't necessary to assume she wasn't created by a superior being either.
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>>100970123
yeah, but then the obvious thing would be for Nui to capture Mako and then for Ryuko to save her.

I want to see Mako go bad.
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>>100971182
That's right. Now see
>>100970563

to make it short

either powers can be born by themselves, or they can't

scenario A: they can't
then there is an infinite ladder of creators

scenario B: they can
then we have no idea and will stay ignorant until canon proves us wrong.
Any attempt to prove arguments based on arbitrary decisions about this matter is automatically inconsistent until confirmed by canon

do you agree?
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>>100971346
Nope.
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>>100971419
Explain where I'm wrong, then.
My logic is pretty good.
How can arguments based on arbitrary, unverifieable fan decisions have any weight in a discussion?
Imagine 2 people discussing about the number of creators above Haruhi, with no hints whatsoever. They might keep arguing forever, only fueled by attachment to their own preferences (that would be incredibly stupid btw)
One of them might be right, but since it's not verfiable, they are discussing about nothing but their feelings. Just like 2 blind people discussing about the color of the sky, without any witness available
My point is: such a way of discussing is arbitrary, inconsistent, and can't prove any point

how am I wrong. How the fuck am I wrong. Are you this stupid?
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>>100971647
He's obviously pulling your chain bro.



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