The U.S. anime industry is slowly but surely dying.
Point in case, Adult Swim will be PREMIERING Code Geass at 12:30am.
It's not going away completely, ever.
Are they streaming it like Dub note?
And nothing of value was lost.
>The U.S. anime industry is slowly but surely dying.
when it hits the bottom of that 6 foot deep hole Ill be dancing to hippie music.
Lol 12:30 for a premeire. I guess that's a lot like Japan though for a lot of their shows. Then again, they're generally playing a good 20 shows a season though, so some are on weekdays.
The main reason not for the death of the NA anime industry is what will happen to the specific types of anime they make in Japan? More moe? Who's to fucking say, the tastes could change. No more NA industry means no more faggotry like ANN and their buyfag only status
I don't get how Code Geass airing means the industry is dying.
They'd better air like an hour of people saying "GEH-ESS" though, so I don't hear people going, "Did you see the Code Gay-ass show?".
Oh, and it says 1:30 AM, OP.
Well, they're also cutting 15 hours of anime out of the weekly schedule.
I say "ji -os"
Someone needs to tell Japan to stick to their own language when naming series.
Yeah, they should cut more anime. I would love for more Tim and Eric Awesome Show
Fuck yes, Geass!
Should that really bug us?
THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK GOD
dub = autofail.
I want more Squidbillies and 12 oz mouse.
we'll be ronery anons forever.
Is this going to stop subbers from doing season 2?
I WANT MY FUCKING 12 OZ MOUSE.
Anime was never popular. The fact that AS keeps it even with its shit ratings is amazing.
I think his point is that its schedule is terrible.
It never stopped them before.
God i hope so, The North american anime industry was pretty much what happens when fan subbers decide to do fan dubs and start selling their shit for high prices. If the american anime industry died, hopefully it would make room for better more competent peoples with a better business plan to take over.
We could use some fresh ideas.
I'm kind of thinking the late night airing is going to mean they won't be cutting the tits out of it.
It's the *time* it's airing. Who *premieres* a show at that time of day? A few years back, a new premiere would probably be right at the start of the lineup to catch people's attention, especially a (theoretically) big new title.
Late 90's suggest otherwise.
No, they will be cutting tits, make no doubt about that.
That's actually a pretty fair assumption. Unless people are actual real actors doing voices (robin williams, tom hanks, etc), then they're not professional enough for me. In this regard, the only really dubbed anime might be from Disney.
anon does not need the us anime industry. all we need is the internet service providers to leave us alone and for the japanese to keep making this shit.
Good, Geass sucks.
Why is this even getting played? Do they think people will go "LOL POLITICAL CONFLICT IS EDGY, IT MAKES ME MATURE TO WATCH IT LOL"
I only kept watching because of delicious Pizza Butt.
It was all right up until like the last 7 episodes or so, when for some reason everyone started acting like EVEN MORE of a flaming fucking idiot.
I mean, people were flaming fucking idiots in the beginning too, but at least they were sort of interesting and in character about it.
Disney does great dubs. Too bad they only do the rare ghibli movie. I still say that princess mononoke was the greatest dub ever.
Except for odd add-ins of dialouge, the dub was pretty damn good.
like the japanese have ever cared about what anybody but the japanese had to say about anime.
It will be like the dawn of a new day.
If English dubs below that quality aren't good enough, then neither should Japanese dubs--most of which aren't.
the add ins where because they made a loose translation, then had an actual writer write a basic script, and then they got another guy to morph that last script to fit with the mouth movements and actions.
Funny thing is, that in japan they actually subbed the english version with the english script translated and played it in a couple of theaters.
We've effectively killed Geneon, and ADV's British distributor is dying. If other companies want to stop us, they had better not license anything and use all their money for legal fees. Even then it's like any other form of pirary, they can't catch us all and their attempts will make people hate them more.
For whatever reason people might be against fansubbing, be it they feel it kills the industry, the translations aren't official enough for them, etc, the one thing they can't possibly argue on is time. Eclipse and some other groups can release a show in 12 hours of airing. It takes 12 months for the first DVD release. Hell, Gurren Lagann volume 1 doesn't seem like it's getting released until June or later.
which means they're willing to license their product out to fucking anyone.
in this case, what the japanese producers and creators think means more or less nothing.
Effectively, the only companies that might keep themselves afloat will be Right Stuf, Media Blasters, and Anime Works. They already barely dub anything, all they need now is better translators and what not. And they already release there stuff for fairly cheap (keep in mind it IS an important product and a new release). $37 dollars for Emma season 1? That's worth considering it's a brand new release. Their MSRP is only $50 for this and Marimite. Compare to any other company in which the MSRP is $30 for 1 volume. So automatically $40 is saved.
Not to mention that the Subtitles will usually be inferior in interpretation and flow, and they'll be that ugly assed blocky yellow colour. I watch fan subs because they are consistently higher quality than what i can buy in any store. And i'm not looking for any half assed dub job either.
Pfft. Piracy doesn't affect shit. Don't suddenly claim that it does. What's happening here is waning demand for anime in general coupled with corporate mismanagement.
Either way is fine.
>that ugly assed blocky yellow colour
That's more a limitation of the DVD subtitle spec.
Doesn't matter, it's still ugly and i don't want to pay for it.
and that in the end is the model they fucking need. stop with dubbing, or at least put it on the back burner, and use the money to hire intelligent fast working translators. make sure they get shit done within a day of airing.
have downloadable content for a fee, later sell DVDs with their higher video quality and extras. use extra money to take legal action against random people. If Valve can make this shit workable for games, someone should be able to get some type of working business model for japanese television as well.
That's part of the DVDs and I can see why they're added, so everyone can see them equally. But I've watched fansubs on any form imaginable (laptop, small lcd tv, big rear-projection, large plasma, fucking huge projector) and they look readable from any distance.
This doesn't mean anything about the anime industry, it's just Adult Swim failing. Again.
They tried an all-anime Saturday lineup (note: almost all repeats) and surprise surprise it rated badly, so they ripped almost all anime out of the lineup and left just the 12:30-1:00-1:30 block remaining.
AS is gay.
The difference is Valve is run by smart people. Anime companies are run by retarded dropouts.
anyone who is even remotely interested in animu downloads subs from the internets or buys the DVDs. nobody except Narutards watches anime on TV unless it's something like Pokemon.
which is why anon's statements were entirely hypothetical.
Also maybe a stronger push to get a few shows onto networks. And not your own specialty channel, but basic cable, get the advertisements. Try and market it towards other demographics.
You wouldn't pay for it anyway, you'd just find another excuse.
Black Jack OVA collection for 44.95 on download.
I've made this point before too. A special order only channel is hard and not worth it for most people, even less if they don't know it exists. Getting into anime needs to be passive, so it needs to be on TV a lot, during the day.
Fuck man, whatever happened to Toonami being on the afternoon and fucking Saturday Morning Anime on Sci-Fi? Sure more people got into anime through that than through Naruto on at 10:00PM or Death Note on past midnight. You gotta hook em young, not when they're already old enough to not give a shit.
yeah, the fact that i'm poor, deep in debt in still in university and any money i make right now goes towards my school books/school.
meh, I think that's probably not going to work out. there's all sorts of issues with getting japanese shows on american tv.
Blah blah anime is a luxury, eat more cup ramen, don't drink alcohol, buy books online are all answers I got when I said this at ANN.
As if I'm going to lower my quality of life for anime? Are you fucking joking? It's fast and it's free and no legal action is on the horizon. I see no reason not to download. Their only counter argument is that we might get bad anime in the future. We have bad anime now, it can't get any worse.
I agree with this. especially because there hasnt been a really good series in quite a while.
Exactly, Heck i got into anime because of 3 different shows that i used to watch. 1. was g-force and speed racer they used to play during an hour special. I'd watch it all the time as a kid 2. Pokemon and dragon ball Z, it was huge when i was in middle school and watching it with friends, we didn't know that it was anime, but we watched it because they were pretty cool shows at the time. 3. Ghibli movies that were aired at prime time, time slots over a few months.
actually and once my cousin got her hands on a sailor moon video when i was around 8 or something but it ended up being some sort of hentai or something... I remember watching it. I'm still not too sure what it was, all i remember was that it was awesome at the time.
Good lord, ANN must be a bunch of Nazis.
Wait, let me get this straight. The people at ANN, when faced with buying an anime DVD or a 5 dollar flask of Old Crow will...choose the anime DVD?
I can't even comprehend this.
is pokemon still on one of the WB channels?
ANN is biased and fail.
It's ANN. What's there to comprehend?
We may be biased too, but we can at least accept people buying stuff because it's their own fucking money.
It's more than I just would go, "Hey, look, this cheap alcohol is really cheap. I could probably buy that and make all the other things I do a bit more fun. And ease the suffering of a cruel world."
And they go, "...I'd like a drink, but CLANNAD is coming out soon!"
I have to ask. Where the fuck is EHHHH chick from.
Majin Tantei Nōgami Neuro
this is why we stock up on booze, so that when we cant pay the rent without cutting back its not the liquour that has to go.
Im a big fan of lucid. its a bitch getting it too, no way in hell Id give it up for anime or food. well, maybe for a BD of kanashimi no belladonna.
But pirating makes you cool and edgy.
>But pirating makes you lazy and stingy.
sadly, anonymous is too lazy and stingy to care.
Whiskey makes me forget I'm ronery.......but sometimes it makes it worse.
Does Neuro count as furry?
Does anyone have any pics of ANN dicussions? I would love to see an ANNfag telling people to give up alchohol for anime.
Answer me this, will the death of the U.S. anime industry affect the way any of use go about our routine? Dub is out, torrent, blah blah etc? Will it become difficult to get anime subbed or will not a goddamn thing change?
/d/, not furry.
Actually it'll probably be better as there will be fewer dropped shows due to licensing.
We'd likely have less new causal fans coming in, leaving more and more bitter and jaded assholes.
I'll take the bitter jaded assholes thanks.
Anime conventions will hopefully have less faggotry at them and more actual content like in the old days.
that doesnt really seem to stop people.
This isn't pre-2000, where people respected licensing and C&D letters. Most groups will just change their name.
A dead R1 industry means less money/royalties going back to the Japanese... which will liekly mean more shitty eroge and moe shows.
no. the death of itself will change nothing.
though the death of this industry will leave room open for new groups to possibly enter the market, groups who might take widespread legal action, and sub groups are easier targets than, say, people who just rip videos. but that is a mere hypothetical. there will be no noticeable change to our routine for at least a decade.
You, boy, are fucking retarded in a fucking huge way.
The main reason we don't get the DVDs speedily is Japan themselves. DVDs are so much fucking cheaper here it's insanely cheaper for JP-fans to buy an R1 DVD Player and buy the US DVDS. It's called "Reverse Importing". Jp licensors fear it so much they refuse to let people release it here until they feel they've milked the most out of their fanbase trained to pay $60 for 2 episodes.
You want to get all fired up, that's all well and good. But get fired up at the right people and do your fucking research.
1, this isnt precivil war america, and 2, I cant believe they would go through the trouble of doing that when they are known to download our fansubs.
ITT WE FREAK DA FUCK OUT
That's because you're stupid.
They DO do it because like american companies, japanese companies have no fucking idea what they're doing. And they've been doing it for a long while, as well.
Example: Last I checked, AIR TV was $55 for two episodes in Japan. Check the US price. It's like $30, and we get 4 eps a DVD.
I did some math with my friend a while ago on this subject on Ghost in the Shell SAC. It worked out to like the Japanese price for all 52 episodes (1st and 2nd GiG) was like $400 or $500 more than what you'd pay IN AMERICA.
>I did some math with my friend a while ago
You make a good point and I think you are correct in it but I call bullshit, you have hidden a factor in to up the price difference in that comparison.
again, why wouldnt they just download it? remember, many of them can read english pretty well, and they have pretty good internet, so why go through the trouble of getting a r1 player and r1 dvds when they can just go to a torrent site.
I mean, Im sure some of them do it, maybe because they want to support or they fear the legal ramifications.
Japan should release a season box sets instead of 40 dollars for 4 episodes. But then niche shows released in that format would not convince casualfags to buy them because they know nothing about them.
I thought it might come up, so I pulled prices of the interwebs and decided to show the actual math.
Used www.cdjapan.co.jp for prices.
1st Gig: 13 Volumes, 2 Episodes a Volume, 6000 Yen each. ($58 bucks each). That's 78000 Yen ($754)
2nd GiG has the same amount of volumes, same prices. So a total of 156,000 Yen or $1,508 for All 52 episodes of Stand Alone Complex.
Assuming you go Standard Edition, you can get SAC for $20 each in the states. 6 Volumes a series, 12 volumes for 1st & 2nd Gig. $240 for t he whole series. Add ~10-$20 a volume for the Limited Editions, and youi STILL come out far, far ahead.
So I was off by $1,300.
Japan does release season box sets.
They charge about $500 or so for them.
So total: $240 in the US v $1,508 in Japan for standard edition single discs.
That $1,268 difference is why Japan hates reverse-importing so much and why we get our shows so late. Well, a large part of it.
Thank you downloading.
Some people prefer to own it. I mean, I prefer to own actual DVDs and CDs, even if it's on the web. And to them, US goods are like JP goods are to us. Something foreign, something awesome to have BECAUSE it's foreign.
I doubt very much the japanese in 2008 have the same sort of west obsession they had during their revolution.
LOL AMERIKKKAN CAPITALISM
You should also mention that there are 'complete' sets available for both in both regions.
R1: $62 each, $124 total
R2: $385 each, $770 total
Those are the BUDGET versions
I'm watching it. Never did get to downloading it only cause it was subbed though, I fucking hate subbed shows especially when the show looks like it can have some promise. Hopefully the show doesn't disappoint, and I'll definitely get used to the dub and when reading the manga, I'll use the dub voices in my head rather than what is probably shitty VA acting for the sub. Not trolling btw.
Aye, same here.
lol way to ignore reality.
While that's a little better, it's like saying getting kicked in the balls once is getting better than getting kicked in the balls and the jaw.
Did this become a rage thread? If so, I just lost.
Good god what a fucking arrogant bastard.
And fucking stupid. In debt = basically poor.
Im mortgaging my future to go to fucking state school. My parents are still paying off their doctorates. they make a lot, but that doesnt stop us from always being short on cash.
anime is a luxury. the booze I use to go to sleep at night and drown out my despair about being nearly through college and hating it and myself is still a luxury. hell, the pizza I buy because the local place knows me and always gives me free shit because my dad helped them build a new location with his jew gold is a luxury.
i'm very dissapointed of you nighttime /a/
code geass in the OP's post and no sages
i dont care if they stop bringing anime to the west. Unlike video games, Japanese anime is never designed with a western audience in mind, so it wont affect me at all.
Even shit can spawn gold once in a blue moon.
well avatar is still pretty good
Sometimes it is, but the Japanese audience comes first regardless.
First mecha in a long time and it's in the 1:30 timeslot? Shove Bleach back!
right, meaning in the end there will be no real change in the direction anime is going if the western market is deserted.
>>10097864 explains it best
>it's like saying getting kicked in the balls once is getting better than getting kicked in the balls and the jaw.
best said as "and nothing of value was lost"
Not true! Several anime these days have been drawn specifically with a western audience in mind. Big O had several western influences - and in fact did BETTER over here than in Japanland. Trigun is incredibly english-oriented - but the manga itself came first, so it loses some of it there (Nightow the author has aid English is the offical language of Planet Gunsmoke)
Gun x Sword seems to be tailor made for us.
I could go on and on, but the point is clear.
I liked Big-O for what it was worth, but it was nothing AAA+, while I'm sure they had their fanbases, i would say the animes targeted to a western audience could be done without.
Besides, notice how they're all a few years old now? It's not like the last few years of pure japan-oriented anime has really been anything bad.
Point taken! Japan-oriented anime can actually be very amusing to us - the foreignness of it only enhances it. I daresay part of Cromartie High School's quality is that very "foreignness"
But even big name titles have been targeted towards all audiences at once - Ghost in the Shell SAC. It had influences from all over the world.
Not a bad time for a night time lineup. It's right after their most popular shows.
Many years ago, Cartoon Network had .hack//SIGN on saturday primetime for the first runthrough, the Toonami block I think. It even had commercials, so you know they were banking on it. But, alas, today we all know too well that background music animu doesn't garner many awards. The series fell into obscurity, further doomed by its shitty and far too expensive episodic games. It was a lost cause.
I can't remember the timeframe's length, but at some point later, I was up at 5:00 or so on a Friday morning. I happened to have my TV on, and imagine my surprise when I looked at it and saw DUSK. I couldn't believe it. I checked the TV guides and the schedule channel, but all of them said some CN-made cartoon was in its place instead. Even the bumps that said "you're watching--" denied its existence.
Surely this was a mistake.
The next week, hesitant though I was, I left my TV on again. Yet, once again my head was filled with bad hacking analogies and dubbed incest. It was like my secret half hour, veiled from the eyes of the world while I could only imagine them feeling nothingness within their Persona 3 coffins.
The series ended a few months later, and I could no longer stay up at such hours due to a more rigid life, but I suspect it kept running in my absence, calling out to me.
Time passed. GU was well on its way, and I had all but forgotten my weekly companion.
One night, although weary from the previous day's trials, I couldn't sleep. Something didn't want me to. Something was calling out to me. I lazed about for a few hours before turning over and flipping on the tube, and I nearly wet myself.
Ignorant asshole is ignorant. Did you know that some shows wouldn't have been made without American funding/popularity? Take the aforementioned Big O II or Hellsing Ultimate. Both exist partially because their series were previously popular in America.
Plus, if the Japanese didn't make gazillions of dollars from all of the anime the license to American companies, they might not take as many chances producing non-standard shows. This means MORE MOE MOE and Gundam shit.
This is bad for us.
>a good 20 shows a season
Would that this were "20 good shows a season", like I originally read it.