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The U.S. anime industry is slowly but surely dying.

Point in case, Adult Swim will be PREMIERING Code Geass at 12:30am.
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It's not going away completely, ever.
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>12:30am
1:30am eastern.
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Are they streaming it like Dub note?
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And nothing of value was lost.
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>The U.S. anime industry is slowly but surely dying.

when it hits the bottom of that 6 foot deep hole Ill be dancing to hippie music.
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Lol 12:30 for a premeire. I guess that's a lot like Japan though for a lot of their shows. Then again, they're generally playing a good 20 shows a season though, so some are on weekdays.
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The main reason not for the death of the NA anime industry is what will happen to the specific types of anime they make in Japan? More moe? Who's to fucking say, the tastes could change. No more NA industry means no more faggotry like ANN and their buyfag only status
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I don't get how Code Geass airing means the industry is dying.

They'd better air like an hour of people saying "GEH-ESS" though, so I don't hear people going, "Did you see the Code Gay-ass show?".
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Oh, and it says 1:30 AM, OP.
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>>10096580
Well, they're also cutting 15 hours of anime out of the weekly schedule.
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>>10096580

I say "ji -os"
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>>10096580
Someone needs to tell Japan to stick to their own language when naming series.
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Yeah, they should cut more anime. I would love for more Tim and Eric Awesome Show
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Fuck yes, Geass!
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>>10096577
Should that really bug us?
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>>10096608
THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK GOD

dub = autofail.
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>>10096639

I want more Squidbillies and 12 oz mouse.
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>>10096652
we'll be ronery anons forever.
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Is this going to stop subbers from doing season 2?
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>>10096658
I WANT MY FUCKING 12 OZ MOUSE.
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Anime was never popular. The fact that AS keeps it even with its shit ratings is amazing.
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>>10096580
I think his point is that its schedule is terrible.
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>>10096680
It never stopped them before.
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>>10096518
God i hope so, The North american anime industry was pretty much what happens when fan subbers decide to do fan dubs and start selling their shit for high prices. If the american anime industry died, hopefully it would make room for better more competent peoples with a better business plan to take over.

We could use some fresh ideas.
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I'm kind of thinking the late night airing is going to mean they won't be cutting the tits out of it.
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>>10096580

It's the *time* it's airing. Who *premieres* a show at that time of day? A few years back, a new premiere would probably be right at the start of the lineup to catch people's attention, especially a (theoretically) big new title.
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>>10096684
Late 90's suggest otherwise.
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>>10096717

No, they will be cutting tits, make no doubt about that.
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>>10096705
dumb weeaboos.
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>>10096705

That's actually a pretty fair assumption. Unless people are actual real actors doing voices (robin williams, tom hanks, etc), then they're not professional enough for me. In this regard, the only really dubbed anime might be from Disney.
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anon does not need the us anime industry. all we need is the internet service providers to leave us alone and for the japanese to keep making this shit.
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Good, Geass sucks.
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Why is this even getting played? Do they think people will go "LOL POLITICAL CONFLICT IS EDGY, IT MAKES ME MATURE TO WATCH IT LOL"

I only kept watching because of delicious Pizza Butt.
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>>10096783

It was all right up until like the last 7 episodes or so, when for some reason everyone started acting like EVEN MORE of a flaming fucking idiot.

I mean, people were flaming fucking idiots in the beginning too, but at least they were sort of interesting and in character about it.
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>>10096783
>>10096796
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>>10096757
Disney does great dubs. Too bad they only do the rare ghibli movie. I still say that princess mononoke was the greatest dub ever.
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>>10096846

Except for odd add-ins of dialouge, the dub was pretty damn good.
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>>10096577
like the japanese have ever cared about what anybody but the japanese had to say about anime.
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>>10096705

It will be like the dawn of a new day.
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>>10096705
If English dubs below that quality aren't good enough, then neither should Japanese dubs--most of which aren't.
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>>10096872
the add ins where because they made a loose translation, then had an actual writer write a basic script, and then they got another guy to morph that last script to fit with the mouth movements and actions.

Funny thing is, that in japan they actually subbed the english version with the english script translated and played it in a couple of theaters.
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>>10096884

We've effectively killed Geneon, and ADV's British distributor is dying. If other companies want to stop us, they had better not license anything and use all their money for legal fees. Even then it's like any other form of pirary, they can't catch us all and their attempts will make people hate them more.

For whatever reason people might be against fansubbing, be it they feel it kills the industry, the translations aren't official enough for them, etc, the one thing they can't possibly argue on is time. Eclipse and some other groups can release a show in 12 hours of airing. It takes 12 months for the first DVD release. Hell, Gurren Lagann volume 1 doesn't seem like it's getting released until June or later.
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>>10096885
which means they're willing to license their product out to fucking anyone.

in this case, what the japanese producers and creators think means more or less nothing.
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>>10096948

Effectively, the only companies that might keep themselves afloat will be Right Stuf, Media Blasters, and Anime Works. They already barely dub anything, all they need now is better translators and what not. And they already release there stuff for fairly cheap (keep in mind it IS an important product and a new release). $37 dollars for Emma season 1? That's worth considering it's a brand new release. Their MSRP is only $50 for this and Marimite. Compare to any other company in which the MSRP is $30 for 1 volume. So automatically $40 is saved.
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>>10096948
Not to mention that the Subtitles will usually be inferior in interpretation and flow, and they'll be that ugly assed blocky yellow colour. I watch fan subs because they are consistently higher quality than what i can buy in any store. And i'm not looking for any half assed dub job either.
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>>10096948
Pfft. Piracy doesn't affect shit. Don't suddenly claim that it does. What's happening here is waning demand for anime in general coupled with corporate mismanagement.
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>>10097015

Either way is fine.
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>>10097014
>that ugly assed blocky yellow colour
That's more a limitation of the DVD subtitle spec.
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Who cares.
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>>10097045
Doesn't matter, it's still ugly and i don't want to pay for it.
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>>10096948
and that in the end is the model they fucking need. stop with dubbing, or at least put it on the back burner, and use the money to hire intelligent fast working translators. make sure they get shit done within a day of airing.

have downloadable content for a fee, later sell DVDs with their higher video quality and extras. use extra money to take legal action against random people. If Valve can make this shit workable for games, someone should be able to get some type of working business model for japanese television as well.
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>>10097014

That's part of the DVDs and I can see why they're added, so everyone can see them equally. But I've watched fansubs on any form imaginable (laptop, small lcd tv, big rear-projection, large plasma, fucking huge projector) and they look readable from any distance.
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This doesn't mean anything about the anime industry, it's just Adult Swim failing. Again.

They tried an all-anime Saturday lineup (note: almost all repeats) and surprise surprise it rated badly, so they ripped almost all anime out of the lineup and left just the 12:30-1:00-1:30 block remaining.

AS is gay.
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>>10097069

The difference is Valve is run by smart people. Anime companies are run by retarded dropouts.
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anyone who is even remotely interested in animu downloads subs from the internets or buys the DVDs. nobody except Narutards watches anime on TV unless it's something like Pokemon.
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>>10097097
which is why anon's statements were entirely hypothetical.
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>>10097069
Also maybe a stronger push to get a few shows onto networks. And not your own specialty channel, but basic cable, get the advertisements. Try and market it towards other demographics.
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>>10097066

You wouldn't pay for it anyway, you'd just find another excuse.
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http://www.direct2drive.com/143/2775/product/Buy-Black-Jack-OVA-Collection-Download

Black Jack OVA collection for 44.95 on download.
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>>10097152

I've made this point before too. A special order only channel is hard and not worth it for most people, even less if they don't know it exists. Getting into anime needs to be passive, so it needs to be on TV a lot, during the day.

Fuck man, whatever happened to Toonami being on the afternoon and fucking Saturday Morning Anime on Sci-Fi? Sure more people got into anime through that than through Naruto on at 10:00PM or Death Note on past midnight. You gotta hook em young, not when they're already old enough to not give a shit.
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>>10097153
yeah, the fact that i'm poor, deep in debt in still in university and any money i make right now goes towards my school books/school.
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>>10097152
meh, I think that's probably not going to work out. there's all sorts of issues with getting japanese shows on american tv.
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>>10097186

Blah blah anime is a luxury, eat more cup ramen, don't drink alcohol, buy books online are all answers I got when I said this at ANN.

As if I'm going to lower my quality of life for anime? Are you fucking joking? It's fast and it's free and no legal action is on the horizon. I see no reason not to download. Their only counter argument is that we might get bad anime in the future. We have bad anime now, it can't get any worse.
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>>10097215
I agree with this. especially because there hasnt been a really good series in quite a while.
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>>10097182
Exactly, Heck i got into anime because of 3 different shows that i used to watch. 1. was g-force and speed racer they used to play during an hour special. I'd watch it all the time as a kid 2. Pokemon and dragon ball Z, it was huge when i was in middle school and watching it with friends, we didn't know that it was anime, but we watched it because they were pretty cool shows at the time. 3. Ghibli movies that were aired at prime time, time slots over a few months.


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actually and once my cousin got her hands on a sailor moon video when i was around 8 or something but it ended up being some sort of hentai or something... I remember watching it. I'm still not too sure what it was, all i remember was that it was awesome at the time.
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>>10097234
troll.
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>>10097215

Good lord, ANN must be a bunch of Nazis.
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>>10097215

Wait, let me get this straight. The people at ANN, when faced with buying an anime DVD or a 5 dollar flask of Old Crow will...choose the anime DVD?

I can't even comprehend this.
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>>10097244
is pokemon still on one of the WB channels?
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>>10097215

ANN is biased and fail.
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>>10097271
It's ANN. What's there to comprehend?
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>>10097284

We may be biased too, but we can at least accept people buying stuff because it's their own fucking money.
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>>10097295

It's more than I just would go, "Hey, look, this cheap alcohol is really cheap. I could probably buy that and make all the other things I do a bit more fun. And ease the suffering of a cruel world."

And they go, "...I'd like a drink, but CLANNAD is coming out soon!"
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>>10097137

I have to ask. Where the fuck is EHHHH chick from.
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>>10097361
Majin Tantei Nōgami Neuro
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>>10097348
this is why we stock up on booze, so that when we cant pay the rent without cutting back its not the liquour that has to go.

Im a big fan of lucid. its a bitch getting it too, no way in hell Id give it up for anime or food. well, maybe for a BD of kanashimi no belladonna.
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>>10097309
But pirating makes you cool and edgy.
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>>10097386
>But pirating makes you lazy and stingy.
sadly, anonymous is too lazy and stingy to care.
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>>10097348
Whiskey makes me forget I'm ronery.......but sometimes it makes it worse.
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>>10097380
Does Neuro count as furry?
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Does anyone have any pics of ANN dicussions? I would love to see an ANNfag telling people to give up alchohol for anime.
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tl;dr

Answer me this, will the death of the U.S. anime industry affect the way any of use go about our routine? Dub is out, torrent, blah blah etc? Will it become difficult to get anime subbed or will not a goddamn thing change?
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>>10097396
/d/, not furry.
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>>10097420
Actually it'll probably be better as there will be fewer dropped shows due to licensing.
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>>10097420
We'd likely have less new causal fans coming in, leaving more and more bitter and jaded assholes.
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>>10097440
I'll take the bitter jaded assholes thanks.
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>>10097440
Anime conventions will hopefully have less faggotry at them and more actual content like in the old days.
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>>10097435
that doesnt really seem to stop people.
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>>10097435
This isn't pre-2000, where people respected licensing and C&D letters. Most groups will just change their name.

A dead R1 industry means less money/royalties going back to the Japanese... which will liekly mean more shitty eroge and moe shows.
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>>10097420
no. the death of itself will change nothing.

though the death of this industry will leave room open for new groups to possibly enter the market, groups who might take widespread legal action, and sub groups are easier targets than, say, people who just rip videos. but that is a mere hypothetical. there will be no noticeable change to our routine for at least a decade.
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>>10097413
Seconding this.
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>>10096948
You, boy, are fucking retarded in a fucking huge way.

The main reason we don't get the DVDs speedily is Japan themselves. DVDs are so much fucking cheaper here it's insanely cheaper for JP-fans to buy an R1 DVD Player and buy the US DVDS. It's called "Reverse Importing". Jp licensors fear it so much they refuse to let people release it here until they feel they've milked the most out of their fanbase trained to pay $60 for 2 episodes.

You want to get all fired up, that's all well and good. But get fired up at the right people and do your fucking research.
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>>10097551
1, this isnt precivil war america, and 2, I cant believe they would go through the trouble of doing that when they are known to download our fansubs.
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ITT WE FREAK DA FUCK OUT
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>>10097577

That's because you're stupid.
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>>10097577
They DO do it because like american companies, japanese companies have no fucking idea what they're doing. And they've been doing it for a long while, as well.
Example: Last I checked, AIR TV was $55 for two episodes in Japan. Check the US price. It's like $30, and we get 4 eps a DVD.

I did some math with my friend a while ago on this subject on Ghost in the Shell SAC. It worked out to like the Japanese price for all 52 episodes (1st and 2nd GiG) was like $400 or $500 more than what you'd pay IN AMERICA.
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>>10097620
>I did some math with my friend a while ago

You make a good point and I think you are correct in it but I call bullshit, you have hidden a factor in to up the price difference in that comparison.
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>>10097620
again, why wouldnt they just download it? remember, many of them can read english pretty well, and they have pretty good internet, so why go through the trouble of getting a r1 player and r1 dvds when they can just go to a torrent site.

I mean, Im sure some of them do it, maybe because they want to support or they fear the legal ramifications.
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>>10097551
>>10097620

Japan should release a season box sets instead of 40 dollars for 4 episodes. But then niche shows released in that format would not convince casualfags to buy them because they know nothing about them.
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>>10097646
I thought it might come up, so I pulled prices of the interwebs and decided to show the actual math.

Used www.cdjapan.co.jp for prices.
1st Gig: 13 Volumes, 2 Episodes a Volume, 6000 Yen each. ($58 bucks each). That's 78000 Yen ($754)
2nd GiG has the same amount of volumes, same prices. So a total of 156,000 Yen or $1,508 for All 52 episodes of Stand Alone Complex.

Assuming you go Standard Edition, you can get SAC for $20 each in the states. 6 Volumes a series, 12 volumes for 1st & 2nd Gig. $240 for t he whole series. Add ~10-$20 a volume for the Limited Editions, and youi STILL come out far, far ahead.

So I was off by $1,300.
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>>10097718

Japan does release season box sets.

They charge about $500 or so for them.
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>>10097723

So total: $240 in the US v $1,508 in Japan for standard edition single discs.

That $1,268 difference is why Japan hates reverse-importing so much and why we get our shows so late. Well, a large part of it.
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>>10097758

Thank you downloading.
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>>10097681
Some people prefer to own it. I mean, I prefer to own actual DVDs and CDs, even if it's on the web. And to them, US goods are like JP goods are to us. Something foreign, something awesome to have BECAUSE it's foreign.
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>>10097796
I doubt very much the japanese in 2008 have the same sort of west obsession they had during their revolution.
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LOL AMERIKKKAN CAPITALISM
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>>10097723
>>10097758

You should also mention that there are 'complete' sets available for both in both regions.

R1: $62 each, $124 total
R2: $385 each, $770 total

Those are the BUDGET versions
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>>10096518

I'm watching it. Never did get to downloading it only cause it was subbed though, I fucking hate subbed shows especially when the show looks like it can have some promise. Hopefully the show doesn't disappoint, and I'll definitely get used to the dub and when reading the manga, I'll use the dub voices in my head rather than what is probably shitty VA acting for the sub. Not trolling btw.
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Aye, same here.
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>>10097842
lol way to ignore reality.
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>>10097811
While that's a little better, it's like saying getting kicked in the balls once is getting better than getting kicked in the balls and the jaw.
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>>10097842
Did this become a rage thread? If so, I just lost.
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>>10097842

Good god what a fucking arrogant bastard.
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>>10097873
Same here.
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>>10097899
And fucking stupid. In debt = basically poor.
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>>10097916
Im mortgaging my future to go to fucking state school. My parents are still paying off their doctorates. they make a lot, but that doesnt stop us from always being short on cash.

anime is a luxury. the booze I use to go to sleep at night and drown out my despair about being nearly through college and hating it and myself is still a luxury. hell, the pizza I buy because the local place knows me and always gives me free shit because my dad helped them build a new location with his jew gold is a luxury.

/emo
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i'm very dissapointed of you nighttime /a/

code geass in the OP's post and no sages
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i dont care if they stop bringing anime to the west. Unlike video games, Japanese anime is never designed with a western audience in mind, so it wont affect me at all.
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>>10097966
Even shit can spawn gold once in a blue moon.
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well avatar is still pretty good
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>>10097977

Sometimes it is, but the Japanese audience comes first regardless.
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First mecha in a long time and it's in the 1:30 timeslot? Shove Bleach back!
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>>10097993
right, meaning in the end there will be no real change in the direction anime is going if the western market is deserted.
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>>10097842
tl;dr: RAAAGGGGEEEE

>>10097864 explains it best
>it's like saying getting kicked in the balls once is getting better than getting kicked in the balls and the jaw.
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>>10098007
best said as "and nothing of value was lost"
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>>10097977
Not true! Several anime these days have been drawn specifically with a western audience in mind. Big O had several western influences - and in fact did BETTER over here than in Japanland. Trigun is incredibly english-oriented - but the manga itself came first, so it loses some of it there (Nightow the author has aid English is the offical language of Planet Gunsmoke)
Gun x Sword seems to be tailor made for us.
I could go on and on, but the point is clear.
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>>10098020
I liked Big-O for what it was worth, but it was nothing AAA+, while I'm sure they had their fanbases, i would say the animes targeted to a western audience could be done without.

Besides, notice how they're all a few years old now? It's not like the last few years of pure japan-oriented anime has really been anything bad.
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>>10098063
Point taken! Japan-oriented anime can actually be very amusing to us - the foreignness of it only enhances it. I daresay part of Cromartie High School's quality is that very "foreignness"
But even big name titles have been targeted towards all audiences at once - Ghost in the Shell SAC. It had influences from all over the world.
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>>10096518
Not a bad time for a night time lineup. It's right after their most popular shows.
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Many years ago, Cartoon Network had .hack//SIGN on saturday primetime for the first runthrough, the Toonami block I think. It even had commercials, so you know they were banking on it. But, alas, today we all know too well that background music animu doesn't garner many awards. The series fell into obscurity, further doomed by its shitty and far too expensive episodic games. It was a lost cause.

I can't remember the timeframe's length, but at some point later, I was up at 5:00 or so on a Friday morning. I happened to have my TV on, and imagine my surprise when I looked at it and saw DUSK. I couldn't believe it. I checked the TV guides and the schedule channel, but all of them said some CN-made cartoon was in its place instead. Even the bumps that said "you're watching--" denied its existence.

Surely this was a mistake.

The next week, hesitant though I was, I left my TV on again. Yet, once again my head was filled with bad hacking analogies and dubbed incest. It was like my secret half hour, veiled from the eyes of the world while I could only imagine them feeling nothingness within their Persona 3 coffins.

The series ended a few months later, and I could no longer stay up at such hours due to a more rigid life, but I suspect it kept running in my absence, calling out to me.

Time passed. GU was well on its way, and I had all but forgotten my weekly companion.

One night, although weary from the previous day's trials, I couldn't sleep. Something didn't want me to. Something was calling out to me. I lazed about for a few hours before turning over and flipping on the tube, and I nearly wet myself.

Roots 1.
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>>10097977
Ignorant asshole is ignorant. Did you know that some shows wouldn't have been made without American funding/popularity? Take the aforementioned Big O II or Hellsing Ultimate. Both exist partially because their series were previously popular in America.

Plus, if the Japanese didn't make gazillions of dollars from all of the anime the license to American companies, they might not take as many chances producing non-standard shows. This means MORE MOE MOE and Gundam shit.

This is bad for us.
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>>10096556
>a good 20 shows a season
Would that this were "20 good shows a season", like I originally read it.



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