Consider the following:
Ryuko's arm and sword is a set length
The spike off of Satsuki's shoulder is not.
This is not a real standoff, Satsuki very easily could have taken a step back and elongated the spike another foot and pierced Ryuko's throat.
So why did Satsuki surrender?
The idea is that any threatening movement will be met with a fatal strike.
Maybe her entire "my suit can pierce yours but yours can't pierce mine" thing was entirely bullshit and was just a very strong handed bluff.
That's just stretching it a bit too much though.
because neither Ryuuko nor Satsuki want to kill each other, that has been pretty obvious since episode 3
was the glove originally part of senketsu?
i remember aikuro giving it to ryuko to draw blood easier
Maybe she didn't want to win in a cheap way.
Because they are actually tsun tsun to each other, and do not want to kill.
Ryuko never fully transformed without the glove, she only partially wore Senketsu until her first duel with Satsuki, right? Maybe she needs the glove to maintain a proper transformation.
Because it wasn't even really about the physical aspect of the fight. It was a mental test for the both of them, and they came to understand each other more because of it. Also these
The glove was in Senketsu's sleeve when Ryuuko first found it, theres a stillframe of it somewhere. Glowing man nipples just pulls it out of the sleeve later.
Because thats a battle of philosophies, they have no reason whatsoever to kill each other.
More like Satsuki is trying to raise herself a possible ally.
Am I the only one who just wants them all to get along? Seriously they all seem to be fighting for nothing, they should just sit down and have a nice chat with each other about their various issues.
That or an outside force should come to fuck them up so they have to join forces.
I for one welcome our feminine übermensch overlords.
Because you're reading far too deep into an art issue. What's important is that it was probably meant just as a standoff by the writer. If the director meant to show it as being a standoff only as permitted by Satsuki, he'd have made it clear with an extra shot or two, or dialogue from Satsuki showing that she could kill Ryuuko any moment she wanted.
Oh boy! Time to whitewash all the evil shit satsuki does, and expect us to cheer for her because "she was really good goy all along"
Was it even established that Junketsu could actually pierce a kamui? Senketsu couldn't, so why should Junketsu be able to? Was this all just a bluff?
Ryuuko should have kept Satsuki sword.
So this is spiral power
Senketsu is a half-finished failed abortion.
Junketsu has been hand made by Nui and is therefore magnitudes stronger than Senketsu.
Evil is a strong word. Sometimes good people do bad things.
Was this supposed to be serious because it wasn't.
the entire show is not intended to be serious you idiot.
especially lines that come out of Nonon's sexy mouth
I think this is just a case of
"Yeah, we really didn't put that much thought into it. Now that I think about it, she totally could have made the spike longer. Sorry about that" - Head Writer
I know that you faggot. That is why I said, 'this scene'.
>implying their isn't profound meaning in every action, shot, and scene in KLK
>How do I art appreciation?
Thanks. You should also point out that the sky is blue.
The whole point is that Senketsu can evolve and Junketsu can't. It's supposed to mimic Ryuuko and Satsuki: Ryuuko is a vagrant, a river; Satsuki is a wall. Eventually, the river will become strong enough to break down the wall, just like eventually Senketsu will become stronger than Junketsu. Can't believe people don't understand something so straightforward.
So Ryuko vs Satsuki ended up in a tie this time. Does this mean Ryukos power level is the same as Satsuki-samas? Ryuko is getting stronger everyday she might surpass our beloved lady Satsuki.
Why is Ryuuko able to fight Junketsu Satsuki when she wears Senketsu if Satsuki is much stronger than Ryuuko and Junketsu much stronger than Senketsu ? There should be a world of difference.
She's holding back or doesn't have the willpower to bend Junketsu to its full potential.
Power of Friendship
She won by a trick, Satsuki is clearly "stronger". But she won't change.
Satsuki and Junketsu: all flat runes
Ryuuko and Senketsu: all scaling runes
After considering the following, consider furthermore this following:
>Senketsu couldn't cut Junketsu
>How the fuck is Junketsu supposed to cut Senketsu?
Neither Ryuuku or Satsuki are actually in a position to kill each other there. Ryuuku because she's not a position to effectively stab Satsuki before Satsuki could retreat, Satsuki simply CAN'T cut Ryuuku right now
What's stopping Ryuuko from side-stepping, OP?
Mako will betray her in the next few episodes because Ryuuko ditches her for Senketsu.
>Satsuki gains the power of friendship from Mako
flat runes means your champ starts much stronger than normal
scaling runes means your champ starts weak but wrecks shit by level 18
>You used your brains so your win doesn't count!
>Only brute force is allowed
Satsuki is such a fucking sore loser. The majority of Ryuuku's wins are because she and Senketsu fights smarter than the other.
Satsuki's pride makes her do dumb shit. Like when Ryuuko rushes at her to get the glove back. Instead of running away and waiting for Ryuuko to lose control of the life energy, she tries to kill Ryuuko herself. Ryuuko probably knew that was what Satsuki was going to do.
>mfw I just realized why Satsuki is the antagonist
Kill la Kill is a growing up story. Ryuuko as the protag is the one growing up. Satsuki is the antagonist not because she's mean or destructive, it's because she won't fucking grow up and she's actively trying to make everyone remain as childish as she is.
While Ryuuko is busy becoming an adult Satsuki is still making concrete sand castles in her private playground
Its FLCL all over again.
they fucked up the proportions of the sword in that shot
How is Ryuko "Growing up"
And you consider being ambitious as "being childrish"?
>the godrobes can't be cut
How is this even a factor at all, considering how much skin they're showing? If one had just stabbed the other in the guy it would have been fucking over.
Well put, and I would say the same for Satsuki's Four Devas as well.
Ryuuko lives for the present; she isn't willing to sacrifice people in the now for the sake of a tomorrow that may not come. Satsuki believes his ambitions justify everything but she is blind to her own actions serving only for the purpose of fulfilling COVERS' plot. She is most likely going to get completely wrecked sooner rather than later.
Senketsu is Isshin
Junketsu is Ryuuko's mother
Satsuki is Ryuuko's older sister
Their parents had their souls embedded into godrobes so they could live on to protect their children
Senketsu is the groom
Junketsu is the bride
Mako a best
>Maybe her entire "my suit can pierce yours but yours can't pierce mine" thing was entirely bullshit and was just a very strong handed bluff.
Didn't you notice how edgy Senketsu's spikes didn't do a thing to Junketsu?
Ryuuko is Simon, Satsuki is the Anti-Spiral.
Satsuki can't fight at her full power, she needs to subjugate Junketsu.
She could still bluff by saying that she can pierce Senketsu with Junketsu, since we dont know about the strength differences between the kamui.
Ragyou isn't Satsuki's real mom
Ragyou hired Nui to assassinate the Matoi family
Satsuki was stolen from them as a baby as a warning for them to stop their research
流 = wandering, flowing, adrift, vagrant
子 = child
No, Satsuki is the authority figure, the grown-up who is making the rules and believe in every fiber that she is doing the right thing and won't change because of that. She's the parent that answers a child's question of "why?" with "because I'm the parent and you have to listen to me".
Mistuhide's famous "declaration of war" to Oda Nobunaga reads like this: 時は今 雨がした滴る皐月かな
Ambition isn't childish, but uncontrolled egoism is. And Satsuki is a massive egoist who lets her flights of fancy heavily impact on the well-being of others.
Furthermore her worldview of "pigs" with her as the rightful ruler is honestly the same tripe you get from edgy teenager who think they are clever.
I still hate how they are using Orwellian imagery so incorrectly. In Animal Farm the pigs were at the top of the latter, "pigs in human clothing" was meant to personify their greed and uncleanliness as they took advantage of others. Calling everyone beneath her "pigs in human clothing" just shows a massive lack of understanding on the writers' part of the material they're referencing.
That happens in anime all the time because they think referencing western shit looks cool or something, but still, it's annoying.
WARE WARE WA
She's a self-righteous spoiled kid who can't into debate like an adult. The only "authority" she wields is her mother's wallet
>have read animal farm
>have read 1984
Oh well don't worry about it dude. Because they aren't using Orwellian imagery at all! :D
So rest assured, they aren't using it incorrectly
Satsuki's pose that entire time
>do it faget. I dare you
>doesn't remember the entire episode where she owned the fuck out of those kids throwing that one kid off the edge of the building using their dads' position of power to intimidate him
They live in a fascist state, and the phrase "pigs in human clothing" is ripped directly from Animal Farm. It's pretty clear it's a reference.
Anon, in a fight where one's life is on the line, there's no such thing as a "trick."
Otherwise, that's a blight on the person who wasn't skilled enough to avoid being tricked.
I'm you're engaged in a potentially fatal fight with someone and decide to throw dirt in their eyes, that's entirely legit, and the person who got blinded and killed can't complain, should have been more prepared.
The very fact that Ryuuko/Senketsu were able to pull off such a tactic against Satsuki in the first place shows how much they've both grown.
>so many misunderstandings in one little anon
Listen, there's no law that says how authors are allowed to use pig symbolisms. Just because Orwell chose one way of using his pig symbolism, the authors at KLK are clearly using another one.
>Orwell invented fascism and pigs
>people aren't governed by money, they're governed by fear
I start to like satsuki now. She's truly better than hitler.
They lifted an exact phrase directly from another work and completely inverted what that phrase meant in the original work, and for some reason I really don't think that was an artistic choice, I think it was a lack of understanding of the context of the original phrase. It is exactly the same as Eva's Christian imagery and symbolism.
No, but he did write and popularize the phrase "pigs in human clothing", which is being used directly, word for word, in this anime.
Don't overstimate writers so much. I doubt they were trying to reference Orwell.
It was obvious since the beginning that it was going to be a piece of shit.
With fascism being such a central theme it would greatly surprise me if they didn't include that phrase intentionally and knowing it came from Orwell.
Except Satsuki then uses REVOCS to get their parents fired and arrested moments later. She then gives a hypocritical speech about how she is different then those kids when she isn't any better at all.
Gamagori called her out for it at the time but now he's wrapped up in her hypocrisy as well.
>Satsuki will never eat dirt and go through some actual fucking character development
I thought the same thing
>war is peace
>freedom is slavery
>ignorance is truth
It's not the first western work they reference.
Most likely Gamagoori knows her endgame and considers it worth it.
You're retarded. Animal Farm was about Russian Communism and 1984 was about totalitarian governments with a focus on a lack of privacy, propaganda, and social control.
None of these are themes to this show.
"pigs in human clothing" is not something that you can say is Orwellian symbolism. All that was meant to get across was that she sees them as base creatures that happen to wear clothing.
Have faith, I have a feeling before this is all over Satsuki is going to fall hard and if she lives through it she will be forced to change her views.
Anon, it's leading to it. She is Isako from Dennou Coil and Ryuuko will need to save her.
>you will never be as sexy as Sensei
I know what they were about, I read them.
The phrase "pigs in human clothing" is Orwellian, it originates in an Orwellian work, Trigger are known westaboos, they're writing an anime about a fascist society, and they included that phrase, word for word, unaltered in their show. Are you seriously going to tell me with a straight face that, when writing the setting and scenario and doing pre-production research, they didn't encounter Orwell? Are you seriously going to tell me with a straight face that including the exact same phrase, using the exact same animal, is a coincidence, especially when "sheep" would have fit their intended meaning better?
It's just another case of anime writers lifting phrases, symbols, imagery, whatever from foreign sources because they think it looks/sounds cool with no regard to what they mean. Something anime studios have openly admitted to doing with no real regard for the context of the source material. And it happens all over Japanese media, it's why they chose Latin names for Final Fantasy XV for example. It's just an edgy sounding foreign phrase that they don't know the meaning of.
That's because Senkutsu is actually fucking alive and conscious. Junketsu is exactly what its name suggest: IT'S LIFELESS JUNK.
Seriously, did we ever get a Scene where Junketsu ever talked?
>Junketsu is exactly what its name suggest
It just means Purity.
>I just realized how the show is going to end
God damn it. Ryuko and Satsuki are going to team up and charge at the main baddy at the same time. Black energy from Ryuko on one side of the screen, white energy from Satsuki on the other.
They'll do one of those "charge through and delayed cut response" scenes we've seen a million times.
Fuck I just spoiled the ending for myself.
Why do the NB mechs look so stupid?
Its a coincidence. Nothing more.
"Pigs in human clothing" isn't even a profound line. If they used "All Students are equal but some are more equal than others" I'd be right with you, thinking that they are using Orwellian imagery.
Satsuki changed from best girl to worst in one episode. She was so bad in a pathetic way i couldnt believe it.
I hope she gets some development.
No, you know "a context" for pigs in human clothing and you are now busy masturbating of how fucking pseudo-intellectual you are that you are missing the big picture. Literally everyone else in this thread is looking at you right now and thinking "what a wanker"
You don't say, write, or hear the phrase "pigs in human clothing" without thinking about Animal Farm, it just doesn't happen. Especially if you are a professional writer. Especially if what you are writing deals with fascism, when Orwell is perhaps the most well-known writer who dealt with the topic in science fiction. There is absolutely no way it is a coincidence, it is a clear reference. It is Trigger trying to be smart by throwing a reference to another story about fascism in their own story about fascism but using the phrase wrong. If you think it isn't in there as a reference to Orwell, or that Trigger didn't have some exposure to Orwell and his works, you're fucking delusional.
I'm not even trying to be intellectual about it, god forbid I can recognize a reference when I see when. If I seem like I'm being "pseudo-intellectual", it's not my fault most people aren't as literate.
ooooh I get it now.
I'd imagine that Satsuki is suppressing Junketsu's will and personality- she doesn't treat it like a friend or ally, but as a tool or servant. Contrast this to Ryuko, whose relationship with Senketsu is one of the main contributors to her growth over the series (and will inevitably be credited as the reason when she finally beats Satsuki.)
Where's my rematch, trigger?
It's even what they call out when they transform. Satsuki overrides and Ryuuko synchronizes.
>young Ryuuko with short skirt
You do know that Animal Farm was about Communism and not Fascism, right?
You do know that there is absolutely no way Trigger didn't encounter Orwell when planning this show, right?
It just bothers me.
Delinquent girls are supposed to have long skirts.
Ah, but here's also where your pseudointellectualism falls short. For starters, the Animal Farm is about fascism, corruption and communism. But Satsuki is pretty much the reverse of a communist (sensei compares her to Hitler at the first episode for instance. Not to mention she's part of a big capitalist conglomerate) and she holds her self "better" and less corrupted than others. Furthermore, the word "clothes" in KLK is in itself filled with symbolism. While it in Animal Farm the clothes refer to how the pigs are people, in KLK "clothes" refer to power and/or sin. Finally, KLK is not the Animal Farm. Orange is not potato and everything that is said should always be viewed from its internal context foremost before you look at external context.
In other words, the authors of KLK are purposely turning the term "pigs in human clothes" on its head and reversing it.
I can't believe I had to fucking spell it out for you. This is we the word "pseudo-intellectualism" is a thing.
No, I don't know that.
And there is no way for you to know that either.
>he thinks fascism isn't a far-left ideology that has been associated with the right as a smear campaign against right-wing politics even though it shares nothing in common with it
good goy, obey the bolsheviks
That actually makes a lot of sense and I never thought about it that way. You could have actually engaged in discussion with me and brought up your points instead of labeling me a "pseudo-intellectual" with constant accusations about how retarded and dumb I am because I brought up a literary reference, and we all know anyone recognizing and discussing a literary reference is just a pseudo-intellectual wanker! You could have gotten past your bullshit wall of "anyone bringing up Orwell is just being a pseudo-intellectual little shit" and actually fucking discussed the use of the phrase and brought up why you think they intentionally turned it on its head, but you chose to believe I was acting like a know-it-all instead. Great job.
I'm glad you did "spell it out for me", because I legitimately didn't think about all that, but this shouldn't have been a war of "HURR I KNOW MORE THAN YOU", it could have just been a discussion.
Go on, faggot. Make a thread about the Orwellian symbolism in KLK. Spell your case out as best you can. Then the rest of /a/ will tell you that you are retarded and seeing shit that blatantly isn't there.
Don't do it now, because I don't want you to use the excuse "those faggots just followed me and are shitting up my thread" Do it in a day or two.
It blatantly is there, again you'd have to be delusional to believe that phrase is a coincidence, but luckily this Anon makes a good case for why it's being used in inverse:
The argument should never have been about whether or not it's a reference because it clearly is, the argument is why they're using it the way they are.
I'm not sure if it is part of the outfit, but it becomes part of it when she transforms. Nui destroyed it while she was transformed, so one could make the assumption that the glove part of the ultimate transformation got stuck to the glove.
>That actually makes a lot of sense and I never thought about it that way.
>Followed by "you hurt my feelings" over and over
My feelings aren't hurt, I'm just frustrated that discussing things like literary references always turn into wars of "I KNOW MORE THAN YOU" instead of actually, you know, discussing said references.
I know, right?
Unless she says that shit in English, I will never believe it is a reference.
How many times have we seen the sadistic dominatrix woman in anime refer to men as "pigs"?
KLK is all about clothing.
Fuck off. I know you are excited because it was your favorite book back in 8th grade but it is just a coincidence.
Isn't it confirmed that Dr. Matoi made Junketsu?
>My feelings aren't hurt, I'm just frustrated that discussing things like literary references always turn into wars of "I KNOW MORE THAN YOU" instead of actually, you know, discussing said references.
Nigger, do you even know where the fuck you are?
>Orwell wrote about topics such as fascism, communism, corruption, etc. during and after the WWII era
>Trigger is writing a show with fascism as a central theme
>Trigger are known to enjoy Western media
>Trigger reference Hitler
>Trigger reference Orwell
>HURR IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE
How can you legitimately believe that? "Pigs in human clothing" isn't even the only Orwell reference either. How can you honestly believe that they didn't encounter Orwell's works when planning a show about a fucking fascist state?
You can't kick or run well in a long skirt, that's stupid.
Like I said, start your own "Orwellian symbolism in KLK" thread and see that no one else will agree with you.
>Like I said, do what I say and see that I will laugh to drown out your argument.
Are you Joe Biden?
>How can you honestly believe that they didn't encounter Orwell's works when planning a show about a fucking fascist state?
Here's a baseline for a story; there was a facist and he was bad, but then he wasn't. Imagine I expanded that to a full-length novel. Amazing, I just came up with a story without encountering Orwell.
>isn't even the only Orwell reference either
>How can you honestly believe that they didn't encounter Orwell's works when planning a show about a fucking fascist state?
I don't know, why do you think that his works are necessary to create anything that he spoke about?
At this point I'm not sure if Trigger gave up on the fascist analogy or not. They're trying to generate sympathy or at least admiration for Satsuki and in doing so they're disregarding the fact that she is a self interested despot with a cult of personality. They're trying to make it look like she has benevolent undertones when her justification for her actions doesn't go beyond "MUH IDEALS!" I just hate how no one is calling her out on her hypocrisy. The closest we got was Takerada but that conversation was entirely designed to make him out to be a sore loser rather than point out Satsuki's bullshit.
There's a difference between writing a story about fascism and directly referencing Orwell in said story.
Here's the other blatantly obvious one, from episode fucking 1. There may be more, but this and "pigs in human clothing" are the two that stood out to me just watching without looking for them. The whole "x is (contradiction of x)" is as Orwell as it gets.
And by the way, the "pigs in human clothing" line is first said directly following those lines, which are a blatant Orwell reference.
Ryuuko called her out on hypocrisy and was punched in the face for it.
Orwell did not invent the idea of doublethink.
I think they realized nobody would be interested in the show if its focus was on Satsuki's meritocratic society. Probably because a lecture on political philosophy doesn't mesh well with a show like fucking Kill la Kill.
The best part is she'll be made out to be one of the key good guys in the end, and she'll rule Japan in her mother's stead, albeit with a much more compassionate approach.
She won't even have to pay for any of her sins.
Orwell based it around an actual German slogan, how does that change that Trigger is referencing it?
You have two blatant references within less than 5 fucking seconds of each other and you're telling me it's a coincidence? Are you dense?
welcome to 4chan
>captcha: sheesAn uncivilized
I dislike reading Kill La Kill threads because no one understands how obvious the show is about what its doing. It's a fun little revenge show with the twist that its all high school. Satsuki and Ryuko won't settle things until the final episode, if we don't get a "they will keep fighting' ending.
The whole point of Nudist Beach existing is to give Ryuko backup.
I don't think Honnouji is a Fascist State.
Though it has a militaristic Totalitarian regime, it lacks several key features that also define fascism, for example:
1. Lack of elites - even the Devas can fall from grace and someone else take their place through their achievements.
2. Protection of corporations: No group of powerful companies or business owners are being protected, and on the other hand, Satsuki looks down on greed.
3. The state works with the main religion(s): Nothing suggests so far that anything like that happens in Honnouji.
4. Rampant discrimination: Nothing like that seems to happen in Honnouji, and it doesn't fit Satsuki's mentality.
5. Little to no economic/social mobility: That works like crazy in Honnouji.
6. Propaganda: There seems to be now of that in Honnouji.
7. Rampant nationalism: Though they seem to care about national pride, they don't seem to make it in a way that brainwashes people into thinking they're superior to people of other places.
8. Persecution if artists and intellectuals: Nothing like that has being hinted at happening.
9. Censorship of the press: It seemed to be taking place when Nagita showed up, but then it turned out Nagita didn't actually exist.
So, despite being a totalitarian militaristic state, Honnouji is also a meritocracy in which people can move on the social ladder considerably fast, as can do almost anything they please.
>Stand off with guns
>Why doesn't one of them just walk away, hid behind something and then shoot at the other guy
>I dislike reading Kill La Kill threads because no one understands how obvious the show is about what its doing.
Funny, because that's one of the main reasons I enjoy them outside of character discussion.
There just something oh-so enjoyable watching /a/ display its true autism by churning out dozens of essays on political and economic theory for a show that revolves around sexy girls taking off their clothes to fight each other.
It's almost on par with calling it a "postmodern-deconstructionist" anime about strong independent womyn going through puberty.
Those are all valid points, though I think 7 and 6 could be argued against.
this, it might not be all sunshine and rainbows, but as long as you don't oppose satsuki's goals, you are free to do pretty much whatever you want, and it's not particularly difficult to get a better life with some hard work
But they aren't using guns. One of them is using a weapon whose range is at an end.
The things you listed were things that Satsuki said aligned with her ideals But her actions say differently.
1. The idea that Devas can lose rank is a nice sentiment but in reality it isn't happening. We've seen Satsuki give them free passes, especially monkey
2. Kyurin corporation funds everything that Satsuki does and as much as she would like to say she's not greedy she isn't exactly turning that money down.
4. There's pronounced discrimination against the weak
5. There isn't really though. The only person we've seen actually rise up the ranks is Mako with Ryuko carrying her the whole way. Remember that you can't get a uniform unless you've already beaten someone with that level uniform.
the other stuff has contrary examples as well.
It might not be completely fascist but it's pretty close.
Called lunging mate.
>1. The idea that Devas can lose rank is a nice sentiment but in reality it isn't happening. We've seen Satsuki give them free passes, especially monkey
They all got back to the final of the king of the hill thing
>5. There isn't really though. The only person we've seen actually rise up the ranks is Mako
All the 1 star and 2 stars are presumed to have.
monkey didn't get a free pass, he had to prove his resolve by sewing his eyes shut to get another shot at ryuuko
as for his second defeat, nobody expected nui to show up, and the whole battle was staged by satsuki to upgrade their uniforms anyway
>1. Lack of elites - even the Devas can fall from grace and someone else take their place through their achievements.
But that doesn't happen.
I don't care about any of this I just want someone in the series to go "huh, Satsuki is ultimately just a selfish bitch isn't she?"
Why didn't Ryuko just pierced her before she used the shoulder drill?
Monkey did after he lost.
He had to sew his eyes shut and ask Satsuki for a second chance.
>the twist that its all high school
>high school is the twist
>the twist is that it is in a high school setting
>the high school setting being the unique thing
>huh, Satsuki is ultimately just a selfish bitch isn't she
She's not even that, Satsuki is just Ragyo's pawn.
Deal with! Middle finger to all the haters
This. It's essentially a brand of fascism where the discrimination is based solely around strength.
It's like the aftermath of the Chaos ending in an SMT game.
because she didn't actually want to kill her
>Discrimination against the weak
That doesn't count. That is just the law of nature.
>the weak rabbits keep on getting eating by coyotes
Because then the story would progress and god forbid that happens.
By now i just want someone to die. Anyone. Just a tiny change to the status quo. Maybe a time skip. Something, anything.
Not in a civilized human society. Just imagine if we discriminated against the weak and everyone with any kind of disability just had to fend for themselves and ended up dead because they couldn't compete on the same level as people without them?
>inb4 Honnouji is actually Objectivist and Satsuki is a metaphor for Ayn Rand
How about destroying all of Osaka?
don't worry, we get exposition next episode.
>Just imagine if we discriminated against the weak and everyone with any kind of disability just had to fend for themselves and ended up dead because they couldn't compete on the same level as people without them?
Oh yeah, lets just drag down the whole species because we like to think ourselves "civilized". Yay, short term!
Maybe Satsuki is a weird, chimeric mix between fascism and objectivism.
The ultimate cunt
>many more humans survive than otherwise
>many more humans are able to breed
Don't cut yourself on all those edges. Gas all the retards, amirite? xD
So as long as you follow Satsuki's version of "merit" you may climb up the social ladder if she so approves.
If you fail to live up to HER expectations you're doomed to live in the slums and even get expelled for no reason. Also you are highly discriminated against by the ones above you.
As a supporter of meritocracy that sounds quite horrifying to me. That is not the form of meritocracy I would want to exist.
Did i hear someone say meritocracy?
He's talking about you.
>before industrial revolution
>the weak died
>after industrial revolution
>the weak live and breed
>7 billion humans
>look at the shit show we got now.
How old are you fine people?
haha, hardly. I'm not one of those worthless fags that live off of less than $10 a day. I have great health, good genes, good career. I may not be in the top 1% in my country, but I definitely am in the top 1% in the world.
Yeah, I don't know how people don't think there are references to Orwell in here. This is a direct rip from the Ministry of Truth from 1984.
>Winston Smith, the main character of Nineteen Eighty-Four, works at the Ministry of Truth. On the outside wall are the three slogans of the Party: "WAR IS PEACE," "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY," "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."
And yet you're posting on /a/. Looks like you got brain problems.
Look at who's being shortsighted now.
This is just a transition phase until the trans human revolution.
Fight me once we're in the database and see what happens.
>implying the population is the problem
The problem is that we're clinging to resources like oil because corporations need to profit instead of focusing all our efforts on finding a new form of energy. We can support our population as long as we continue to adapt and grow our technology at a pace that meets or exceeds the growth of the human population. By the time there's too many humans for earth, we'll already be colonizing other planets, provided we don't blow ourselves up over non-renewable resources and money first.
Well what shit show do we got now? The events turned rather good if you compare it to before the industrial revolution.
>the weak live and breed
Inorite? I mean you're still here.
I like anime. I don't like signing in to post stuff.
Here I am.
Everyone thinks they're the ones who are not going to be shit on. It's cute.
>Smallest amount of people living in poverty since the beginning of records
>Amazing technological advances from all over the world
>Coordinated relief efforts, humanitarian aid organizations, etc.
What I don't understand is why can't Ryuuko cut through Junketsu with Senketsu, but Junketsu can apparently cut through Senketsu
Is Senketsu weaker or something? I thought Ryuukos bond with it made Senketsu technically stronger.
Either way you are a worthless loser, really.
>consider the source
*percentage, not amount
>They're trying to generate sympathy or at least admiration for Satsuki
Are they? Because she came across as a huge bitch for me in last episode.
Who are you quoting?
Junketsu is stronger, Senketsu can evolve. Satsuki and Ryuuko are the same. It's the typical story of the unchanging, all-mighty rival versus the weaker hero... with the unique ability to grow.
Senketsu can also spontaneously grow jet-boosters and shit.
The ability to cut stuff isn't the only measure of power.
It's power vs versatility.
Junketsu can't transform like Senketsu, whereas Senketsu is weaker.
Satsuki knew she couldn't kill her instantly and ryuuko would have killed her too. Not worth it
Why do arguments about what to do with weak humans always go the same way?
>Durr Every snowflake is precious! Doesn't matter if they are born with mental retardation, a congenital heart defect, deformities. Let them live, take up resources, and spread their DNA!
Uh...That doesn't sound to be in the best interest of humanity at large.
>WE SHOULD KILL YOU! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT?!
junketsu might be of general higher production value, but senketsu is sentient and can evolve and adapt
>Not noticing that Satsuki's mother's REVOC HQ is a giant fucking wedding dress
It'll be like the madoka/nanoha final battle, except with a massive 400% life fiber wedding dress battle station that's an upright Walpurgisnact that penetrates her mothers scars ad feeds of of her as she get's all veiny and crazy as she shoots all kinds of shit out from her massive technodrome dress.
And satsuki still hasn't absorbed anyone's life fiberes.
because christian philosophy.
Spartans left the weak in the woods for the wolves to eat and didn't give a fuck.
What it all boils down to is that there is no reason not to support "weak" humans as long as we can afford to do so. If shit really hits the fan we know they're not going to make it, but in the meantime, as long as there is a society that can support them, there's no reason we shouldn't.
Would they make it if there were really a fight for pure survival? Probably not, but until we hit that point why not give them a life?
Because a dumb dog mixed with a smart dog gives a medium intelligence dog.
Anyone who can think critically should have come to the same conclusion but I've seen a lot of comments basically along the lines of "I'm glad Satsuki gave that spoiled rich-boy Takerada what he deserved."
Where was that established?
Any of that?
I fail to see how eugenics factors into the equation at all unless you believe that humanity's ultimate goal should be to breed themselves into a master race while fucking over the majority of the population because they don't live up to whatever idealized standards you've decided they should.
Well yeah, Bingo.
Well when you say it like that, I'm game.
And what if you do not meet these idealized requirements? Or your family? Or your friends? Or your loved ones? You're fine with them just being killed off, when there is the ability to allow them to have a life and thrive in society, all for the sake of "muh master race"?
You do know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, right?
Oh, in that case you should do the world a favor and kill yourself then, because you certainly don't meet my requirements for the kinds of human beings I want to inhabit this earth.
>thong of immortality
You probably don't fit the master race though. Why would you want to get killed just so a bunch of people who you never met get a better life? It's just stupid to support something like that.
10/10, would cut myself on your edge
>MFW can't tell if talking about Jews or Nazi's.
in case you hadn't noticed, they sort of merge with the skin when transforming, and make the skin as resistant to damage as itself
>not loving humanity more than yourself.
You guys are so selfish.
/a/ - Eugenics and Orwellian debate
If /pol/ is right, Jews breed the other races down while they sit back and profit. Nazis want to kill all the "undesirable" races outright. So in this case I'm talking Nazis.
Disgusting. Who knows where humanity would be if we cooperated for a higher goal than "gotta spread muh genes, no matter how bad they are"
>not realizing we're all made out of the same stuff
>not realizing energy can't be created or destroyed
>not realizing we are one with the universe
>not realizing one day we will return to the source
>not realizing we are existence itself
>not meditating on metta all day erryday
Pls inspire us with your love and an hero.
And look where they are now
Actually, Hitler was mainly into segregation (Keeping to one's own)
Arayan male blonde hair blue eyes was merely an archetype that was used as a definition of Hitlers vision of an ideal German in general, not an end goal of any kind, though it was wishful thinking.
Funny thing is, Jews do exactly this, but unlike Hitler are willing to bend the rules for the sake of their own goals, and still have almost no influence on the forum at large because their very existing infrastructure simply ensures this process happens without any large groups amassing for it to happen which can simply be attributed to general and average tenancies they have toward such contributing factors (Leftism and most other forms of declared Talmud jewish sterotype)
If we cooperated for a higher goal then we would have no need to kill off the weak because we would all be genetically modified uber humans.
How would you even circumvent that though? Require people to have a breeding license?
The problem with these kinds of ideas is that people tend to think their ideas of what is best for the human race are absolute, when in reality they are very subjective. Even if you are following nothing but scientific fact, the importance that you are placing on that sciences is subjective in and of itself. There's no reason to put humans to death over what you think humanity should strive for, when every single human has his/her own ideas of such.
Let's say we want to create an ideal human population. It certainly won't been in the billions. It'll probably be more like 100million. In order to start this population you want trained, skilled individual of high intelligence. Their intelligence alone doesn't matter unless they have skills to go with it. You would also want good genetic diversity. Most skilled intelligent people are going to be East and South Asian and White, followed by Middle Eastern and Latin American and then by African. So people of remote African decent will have a higher chance of making it than a White or Asian person. Now ultimately it is highly unlikely that you will be chosen to live on. The question is are you willing to sacrifice yourself for the betterment of humanity? If you are then you're entitled to that opinion and I commend you.
This, really. Is why human instrumentality is the best end for everything. Eternal silence and a never ending flow of just one mega conscience.
And Tang, lots and lots of delicious Tang.
But I don't want that.
I want to keep clinging to my miserable individual self, the idea of being one scares me.
Die ableist scum
I don't see your point. All you have to do to climb up the social ladder in Honnouji is either to study hard, or to start a successful club (and as we've seen, you can start almost any kind of club).
So, all you really need to do is to work hard enough to get somewhere - that, and hope you never need to face Ryuuko.
If Hitler had only deported the Jews instead of killing them, I'd take his ideals more seriously, but as it stands it just isn't something any rational person should be able to get behind. I'm all for "keeping to one's own", if that's how a person chooses to live their life. I'm not for preventing people from having mixed children if they so desire. Especially here in America, since we're all immigrants anyway.
In Europe it's a bit different since the ethnic groups have been living there for thousands of years and are indigenous to the region, and multiculturalism poses a legitimate threat because they are the minority by a landslide on the global scale, but I don't think the solution should ever be to kill other races, the solution is to have stricter immigration laws and not actively promote the absorption of minority ethnic groups into much larger groups, even if the minority groups are the majority in that particular region.
Was Nui not a change to the status quo?
but I am master race, I'm just trying to make more elbow room for myself and my spawn.
>not putting yourself over everything
I'd fuck over my best friend if it would give me a considerable advantage in life.
Because the moment she moved in the slightest Ryuko would slit her throat.
Same reason why the Joker doesn't kill Batman.
Senketsu's primary function is offensive while Jenketsu is defense.
I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around.
I'm higher master race so kindly pls die, inferior scum.
It was same shit different whore. The story really hasn't progressed and honestly why is Ryuko even fighting in the first place? She has very little motivation to anymore.
Why don't they just, you know, sit down and talk things out?
Go to bed, Griffith.
Naked Shore is gonna talk things over with Ryuuko next episode, expect lots of exposition.
>implying Griffith was ever friends with Guts and didn't just find him a peculiar specimen
It's not like I had someone I'd consider my best friend.
I only got some distant friends and I don't really care that much about them
No, I mean, Ryuuko and Satsuki.
Even in ep1 the first thing Ryuuko did was attack people and demand answers, when she could have tried requesting for an audience first.
In real life you guys would fight until the death and then the the true master race would be decided. I think humans have begun to forget how this whole "nature" thing works.
>lots of exposition
But Griffith's dream was creating a peaceful country in which everyone could have better lives. Fucking over your best friend who fucked you over in the first place isn't such a bad deal, especially when he explicitly told people who joined the Band of the Hawk that he was willing to sacrifice their dreams for his own.
He broke down when Guts left like an indecisive little girl. That's where it all fell apart.
When Guts left he didn't get to study his new favorite toy anymore, that's the only reason he threw a hissyfit. Not because his friend left, but because he couldn't handle not getting what he wanted for once in his life.
>who fucked you over in the first place
Guts pretty much set Griffith up on easy street and then Griffith threw it all away.
They literally yell it out in their transformation sequences. Ryuuko says "life fiber synchronize kamui senketsu". While Satsuki "life fiber override kamui Jenketsu".
Synchronize vs. Override.
Ryuuko is working mutually with her Kamui while Satsuki's only works because she's forcing it obey her.
They trusted and respected each other. Griffith additionally enjoyed Gutts' company. Stop making our lord and savior to be even more of an edgemaster 1000.
oh yeah, I remember in the first scene that she puts it on, she says something to the effect of "It is just mere clothing"
>Satsuki will never force you to obey her
What if Satsuki can't? What if, unlike Senketsu, Junketsu isn't friendly?
I mean, we know Satsuki changed into the person she is now after she learned what the "wedding dress" (Junketsu) actually meant.
Does Satsuki possess the spiral power?
I thought we all did. Wasn't that the point?
I'm all for rewarding people who shows merit. I'm all for giving power to people who shows they are qualified to use that power by demonstrating relevant merit.
I'm not for shitting over those who happen to demonstrate less merit.
Especially when "merit" here happens to be Satsuki's idea of merit and only hers.
>thinks that globalism is awful
>thinks that the entire population of the world should be policed, with those not fitting to some authorities' standard of fitness be murdered
oh /pol/, you're so inconsistent.
>Not a form of Fascism
Actually, Griffith was going strong but his closeness with Guts made him forget the importance of his goal, and as such he made a brash decision he wouldn't do otherwise because he is "oh so very perfect" that and the sacrifice thing whatsthisface pointed out, and a the godhand he realized he couldn't have his cake (guts) and eat it (Kingdom)
Gut's vendetta is his own essentially, but it also has it's own merit (Godhand fucking over everything), that and the fact that Griffith pretty much made the point that he was back on track with his goal clear by Raping Casca into retardation, that and the fact Gut's never once comprehended the effect he had on Griffith because he never truly wanted any of his glory nor paid attention to his goal and pretty much would up befriending him for a period.
Oh, and from a reader perspective he also hates the godhand because they basically intruded in on everyone's shit like "Oh that's a nice Medieval world you have there, be a shame if anyone added some fantasy bro." and Gut's current aminosty towards the idea of god in general considering his shit life up to that point.
Satsuki heard her.
>you can start almost any kind of club
>you now realize Honnouji Academy has a Pervert Club
>you now realize the Pervert Club is under the supervision of Nonon Jakuzure
She calls her Nonon as well
Rush Limbaugh, pls.
It appears that if you watch the links using the embed, it doesn't go to the exact time I linked. Copy and paste the urls to get my point.
>Thinking that's what he means
Here's how you do it.
>Segregate, ignore and unencourage the less desirable factors, allowing them leniency but unacknowling them, or at least dealing with them in private making the undesirables taboo by standard for the average so that the minority has it's own provided forum
>Remove the truly threatening factors who will lead lives not worth living judgable by so many before them
Imagine if all the gay rights shit had been done in secrecy away from public eye.
Anyone who'd notice wouldn't be heard by the larger group of society at large and the gays wouldn't care less because the publicity and attention whoring that causes the flamer lifestyle wouldn't exist as they'd be happy enough with what they have to the point where there's be no reason shove it in everyone's face all the time because there's no media demand or publicity for it.
With something like that, the media would actually have to report relevant topics for once.
But the weak aren't being particularly shat on by the establishment. Everyone goes through the same trials. Everyone gets a shot. Those who are capable enough succeed and those who aren't fail (and yet are still able to keep on trying). We've also seen there are a fuckton of clubs about almost anything, as registration doesn't seem too difficult. That's a good way at trying to become successful.
Furthermore, during the naturals elections, we saw 1-Stars bringing down 2-Stars. We also saw 1-Stars and 2-Stars attack Gamagoori, and we know te other Devas got attacked as well.
We've also seen people wearing no uniforms beating people with uniforms (Ryuuko, Satsuki, Tsumugu and probably Mako as well).
Mind you, I think stuff like the No-Late Day is absolute rubbish that seems unnecessary, but the weak are getting as many chances as anyone else.
Don't forget that each subsequent upgrade results in an increasingly ridiculous boost in power via Goku uniform.
Just look at what you can do with a One-Star, let alone a Two or Three.
>inb4 ryuuko finds out that tsumugu is her brother/other form of relative, and remembers calling him "pervert club"
Flamboyant extroverts are always going to exist though.
>as registration doesn't seem too difficult
Well, all Gamagoori does is hand you a few stacks of blank paper.
Not only that but Mako is an admitted underachiever.
And clinically retarded. She can't even read.
She fills out >>100974894 all this paperwork by herself, she can clearly read.
If we just let gay couples have a union that is legally equal to marriage already then they'd have no reason to make such a big scene and this wouldn't even be an issue.
Society needs to acknowledge gays are a thing and that's fine, good for them, let them live their lives how they see fit just like anyone else. Then there will stop being so much attention called to the lifestyle and it won't interfere with "muh children" or anything like that.
Imagine middle/high school kids acknowledging that gays are a thing and just leaving them to their own devices. No more bullying of them, just accepting they're gay and leaving it at that. That's the kind of society we should be striving for.
She can't read kanji. When she reads the newspaper, she skips the words she can't read and the subtitles say "blank".
And starting a club can't be that difficult. Just look at all the retarded clubs out there. Hell, look at Fukuroda and Hakodate. Neither of them are towering intellects, and they seem to fulfill their role just fine.
>implying the media wants to report on relevant topics.
>Implying the media isn't a tool by those that control the country
"Don't worry about the shit that matters, let me just jingle car keys in front of you to distract you"
The culture clubs are typically under datadog's supervision.
Nonon, being the shit she is, only manages music clubs.
It's already been established that Ryuuko is much faster.She'd dodge it.
I must of missed that when Ryuuko slashes as furiously as she can and Satsuki blocks them all effortlessly.
>The culture clubs are typically under datadog's supervision.
Inumuta only handles Information Gathering and Strategic Warfare, and supervises and analyzes research for the Sewing Club.
Nonon is anything that's not discipline, athletics, or information/technology-related.
Fukuroda, Hakodate and Mako where being used in some way or another.
Uzu runs all Athletic Clubs, Nonon runs all non-Athletic and Culture Clubs. Inu runs the information and computer clubs, and Gamagoori runs the disciplinary committee and enforces the rules. Nonon favors the musical clubs because, well, she's the personal head of those clubs and is a conductor.
Inu mentions this in Tsumugu's debut episode, iirc. They mention the gardening clubs were under Nonon.
You see Nonon conducting, but does she actually play any instruments?
>conducting is not as instrument
A conductor plays the orchestra.
That would require talent.
The flesh trombone.
>still no cum edit
Kill la Kill me now
You mean rusty
shit's difficult to do.
>But the weak aren't being particularly shat on by the establishment.
But they are shat on nonetheless with all the unnecessary discrimination and forcing to have a determined amount of wealth i.e. slums.
These things are really mentally and physically detrimental to those who may try to succeed again especially when their entire family is also affected by their performance. Conditions like this may cause some to lose their will altogether.
I am not in favor of using this enforced adverse social stratification as motivation for people to strive for success.
you had to edit every single frame perfectly so that it doesnt look retarded
I think wants to lose to be honest. At very least she wants ryuuko to be stonger.
I saw one in an earlier thread that was perfect. Lurk more I guess.
>"Ryuuko, Senketsu isn't your only friend! You have me!"
Ooh i like ur way of thinking anon. The cum edit i mean,not killing yourself
>OH GOD! IT'S BURNING A HOLE THROUGH THE TV! I CAN'T STOP CUMMING! AUUUGHH!!!
Of course. When they're in public, Satsuki is their commander. She can't allow herself to show any favoritism or tenderness towards one of her lieutenants, regardless of their personal relationship. That would kill morale and loyalty; this is Command 101.
But when they're in private and Satsuki is speaking softly enough not to be overheard, she's far more affectionate with her, even referring to her by her first name and without honorifics- the way one would talk with their closest family or their lover.
Of course, for her part, Nonon's usually acidicly snarky and bonerrific voice was practically dripping with love and affection for Satsuki.
They really do have a special relationship between them hopefully it involves naked space hugs
>cum with me
>"No. Senketsu and I are two in one."
needs to be whiter in some areas, and/or seethrough in others.
it just looks like grey custard or someshit.
It still vexes me how being /fit/ in Japan is seen as being a pervert
More like /fit/ males are seen as gay.
Big guys are too gay for them.
Whatever, it's their loss.