What order should I play these VN in and why?
Play Ef and Symphonic first cause they're pretty.
Play Umineko when you're bored and want to waste time on bullshit.
Play FSN when you're really bored
What about little buster?
There's no order. They're all separate series, why would there need to be a playing order?
Umineko is the best out of those, so I guess read that first? (or last, if you want to save it?)
Because I'm not capable of deciding what order to play these in obviously?
oh right... play that when you want some cute things with a dose of sad.
also one minor correction
>Play Umineko when you're really bored and want to waste time on bullshit.
He wants to know which ones are more enjoyable (which is hard cause most of them are shit).
Ignore anyone who calls them masterpieces or god's gifts.
What are the better VNs that I should get later on then? I've heard many good things about LB.
Saya no Uta, Ever 17, Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate, 999, Virtue's Last Reward.
Ignore anyone who says that Umineko is bullshit as they clearly didn't understand the ending.
One thing most people who have played LB agree on is that the character routes are quite subpar in general although refrain is good. You might want to consider getting it out of the way first.
I've been itching for more Umineko ever since the garbage anime ending I received. I wish White Album 2 was translated, the anime also left me wanting more after that.
Yeah, I've been putting off LB for so long now, I think I should since Refrain is apparently so damn good.
Umineko first. You'll like it unless you're a faggot moron like >>100956796
Refrain is fantastic. The individual routes are decent. But you can't skip to Refrain or else it will lose its impact. It's worth reading the whole thing, just keep in mind that it will get better as you go along.
Definitely read the Muv-Luv trilogy at some point.
Don't I have to play every route in order to unlock Refrain anyway?
Why haven't you read all of them?
Ef, LB and Symphonic Rain are ok.
Umineko and FSN are shit.
100957244's list is ok, I'd add Majikoi to it
I didn't mean bullshit in that sense.
For clarification OP. Umineko changes genres a bit within the story and keeps getting more confusing until builds up to nothing.
Or at least that's how I felt.
If I enjoyed the anime, will I enjoy the VN?
Which anime are we talking about?
For the record, there is no Umineko anime.
I was talking about Umineko, of course. I enjoyed it until I learned there was no S2.
If you're like me. You'll enjoy the VN up to parts 6-7 at which you'll start hating it.
If you're like everyone else, you'll like it.
Then the 80% of the readers are moron. Since everyone agrees Umineko sucks.
F/SN -> SR -> ef -> LB -> seacats.
Read LB first if you like key stories.
>until builds up to nothing.
No. It builds up to a solid ending.
And yes, if you liked the anime you will really enjoy the VN since it is much, much better.
>Almost everyone agrees that Umineko is amazing.
Fixed that for you.
It's funny how umineko faggots try to justify all the hate by saying people didn't understand the ending, but they disappeared when you ask them what you should actually understand about it.
Umineko had crazy good soundtrack accompanying borderline mad scenes. Do it for Erika.
Sure, keep believing it.
People never gave a damn about it, go read egs or a random Japanese blog.
It's famous in the western fanbase because of the translation and the author, but Chiru did disappointed most of them.
Most people say that Umineko had a shit ending because they were expecting answers to what really happened that day. You should have realized around episode 5 that you weren't going to get an answer to what happened on Rokkenjima, you've got to find that out for yourself.
I think Umineko had a perfect ending and couldn't have ended any other way.
Are you from tumblr or livejournal?
>someone likes Umineko, they must be from tumblr
No. I hate tumblr.
Episode 6 was the only weak episode of Umineko. The rest was fine.
So what I have downloaded is Ep4 apparently. Does that include everything before ep4 as well? Should I delete it and download an updated full version?
Episode 4 contains episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4.
If you download Episode 8, then you'll get 5, 6, 7 and 8.
You can have open endings that are good. Or you get a Lost style ending after the author has forced so much shit down your throat that you stop caring.
I merely meant that:
>Almost everyone agrees that Umineko is amazing.
Is not an opinion that shared here.
Then you need to lurk more. /a/ loves Umineko.
>because they were expecting answers to what really happened that day
Just because a bunch of idiots keep crying because of the lack of a confirmed version doesn't mean everyone hates it for the same reason, you can not put everyone into the same basket.
Yasu's character and his backstory, the credibility of gold's nature, the awful pacing and the useless episodes ( remember episode 6? ) are few of the critics done.
That said, umineko was never as famous as you make it sound, even during the question arcs. You can like it and no one has the right to criticize your opinion, but don't go spam bullshit like people not liking it because they're dumb or umineko being one of the most famous and appreciated title.
Oh I understand why I put it on hold for 6 month now. I REALLY enjoyed every episode, but when I get to 6, I couldnt read more, a bit bored mixed with a feeling of "I dont wanna end umineko".
>People hating Umineko
It may not have been as good as S;G, F/SN, VLR or CC (since those are kamiges but it was one of the most fun and unique experiences in any VN to date. Anyone who tries to deny that is trying to hard to fit in.
How long would you say each episode takes to read? If I'm correct, it's a kinetic novel so no choices?
Maybe the newkids do. I was here when it ended and /a/ did not like it.
I'd say about 10-15 hours for each episode, depending on your reading speed.
Episode 8 does have choices, however.
>someone doesn't agree with my opinion
>he must be trying to fit in
Read forest if you want a unique and shorter experience
10-12 hours per episode for a total of 80-90 hours.
I'm a pretty fast reader. There are only 8 episodes right? So I should assume around 80 hours? Damn.
Who's trying to fit in now? You guys are retarded.
Take a break after you finish every episode, then it doesn't feel like a massive slog.
Why is nobody telling him to read Higurashi first?
Because Umineko is better.
The anime is one of my favorites and I felt that it did a good job adapting it compared to say Umineko's adaptation. Should I still consider playing it?
Try finding me a VN that has the same amount of quality that Umineko with the same themes and similar setting. I'm waiting.
>Term that was used to descrive the best VN of their kind.
>"Oh what a faggot, he must be trying to fit in!"
Your newfaggotry is showing buddy.
What about Rewrite and Grisaia no Kajitsu?
Because Umineko is overall better and the anime did more or less a good job of adapting the best parts in the games.
I started with Little Busters before ir aired, played Umineko after that. Didn't play the other you mentioned yet.
It doesn't really matter, just go for which genre you prefer at the moment.
Umineko is the best, though.
Cause everyone realized Ryukishi was a hack after Umineko.
>best of their kind
>some sort of objective truth
>accusations of newfaggotry.
Been here all summer?
>No one recommending Symphonic no Rain
OP already has it on his list. Also it doesn't seem to have a very large or rabid fanbase.
I was planning on playing Rewrite sometime after LB, and Grisaia probably after the rest of my list.
Don't play the VNs, watch the anime
Does it make you want to choke someone?
>Not reading Umineko
>Missing out on this delicious christmas cake
So who was the culprit again?
I am a very fast reader and it took me a little over 8 hours per chapter, so close to 70 for all of them. Be prepared to sink a couple of weeks into the series.
You sure showed me with that comment of yours.
The entire story.
He already cited Forest you idiot, Umineko is a blatent rip-off of it by the way.
Well R07 basically ripped Forest and added a "mystery" that is dowright taken from the Tokyo Zodiac Murders novel.
Here, go read the plot of Tokyo Zodiac Murders and tell me Umineko didn't rip it off
First, you can't talk about qualiy since that's subjective.
Then, as I said, forest is another novel with an extravagant setting and a crazy story, but you don't have to spend 80 hours on it.
If you want a murder mystery there are plenty of titles like it, but they're not translated. Innocent Grey has a lot of such novels, like pianissimo.
That's the best you can come up with now huh?
I have watched it before I have started playing it. I'm currently at the first story of Kai and I'm really enjoying it. Being able to know the thoughts of the main characters is an aspect that makes the story and atmosphere allot better if you ask me.
Also Dear You all over the place in Kai.
>Dear You all over the place in Kai
Fuck, that's making me want to play it now. Love that shit.
Forest doesn't have the same setting Umineko has, even if the magic aspect is similar. No need to get so butthurt because Umineko is well liked.
Your mad is showing. Relax.
Ryukishi took inspiration from meteor's works, that's obvious as hell. Both forest and kusarihime.
Did you even read higurashi?
I like the anime as well and I think the novel is too much verbose, but the novel is a whole different experience, and most of the best scenes were either written out or not as powerful as the original ones.
Meakashi and tatarigoroshi are the best thing ryukishi has written so far.
>No need to get so butthurt because Umineko is well liked
You know what? If you want to believe umineko is well liked I won't try to change your mind, but you're just deceiving yourself. It's so clear you have never tried to search for it and I suppose it's because you can't read Japanese.
Take a look at erogegamescape and you see how your favourite novel is well liked.
Episode 8 has an awkward score and the other episodes are 80 at most.
If you want to know more look for other sites, the one I suggested you is simply the more direct and gaijin friendly.
It conveyed the message of the VN, even if the scenes weren't as powerful (you can't obviously fit in 12 hours +50 hours). Also, reading the VN after watching the anime is going to spoil your fun anyway since you know who is gonna die and what's gonna happen and isn't as butchered as the Umineko anime was.
> 80 at most.
I didn't imply I was talking about the Japanese audience (pretty much everyone knows they have shit taste, even though is was liked up to EP5 there) , but it has a strong fanbase on the west and is very well liked here (over 8.5 in VNDB for both of them) and trying to deny that is deceiving yourself.
Saya no Uta a shit
>Umineko is well liked
You know Umineko basically killed R07's reputation in Japan right?
Is well liked in the west. Learn to read the thread before posting.
Oh look, it's one of those fags who think they know perfectly what happens in Japan because they read some blog and forums about it.
I wish mootkins would just merge /a/ and /jp/ and then create /tou/ as a containment board for all the touhoufags.
Damn, do I miss the days when /a/ was 2D/random...
Ahaha I can't believe it, even the solution is similar.
Ryuukishi is shameless, how can anyone defend him after this?
>Is well liked in the west
I don't think he cares since you fuckers don't buy anything
I still doesn't deny what I said, which is what we were saying and you tried to deny. Nice try going for straws though.
>mfw English-only peas/a/nts passing their 'valuable' opinion on vns.
Op, play those in any order and don't listen to anyone.
No, it wasn't well liked.
It was one of the many readable novels, with no highs or lows.
Only one episode ( I don't remember which one though) had 80, which is the worst score for actually good novels.
Episode 8 has 50-60, that is a nukige-tier score. By the way Japan did like episode 7, it's one of the most liked. So don't talk if you haven't checked it.
Higurashi at least has an average score of 80+, but it's still not in the olympus of the novels.
The strong fanbase in the west is due to the translation. And it has 1500 votes at most, you can't think western fanbase is more relevant than Japan's.
Few novels are translated here so it's obvious people will tend to like the few exception, and ryukishi was already famouse because of the higurashi anime.
Y-yeah....so that must be the reason why they made a PS3 remake. And why 07th had released 3 fighting spin-offs...
Sure, Umineko franchise is soooooo hated in Japan.
The only things in common are the inspiration for Kinzo and the fact that the murders went famous and unsolved for many years, how can anyone say R07 plagied that story? It's completely different.
>No, it wasn't well liked.
It was liked, just not 10/10 liked.
>Only one episode ( I don't remember which one though) had 80, which is the worst score for actually good novels.
So it is IGN tier garbage where only 80 is good now? Wow.
>Episode 8 has 50-60, that is a nukige-tier score. By the way Japan did like episode 7, it's one of the most liked. So don't talk if you haven't checked it.
Japan in charge of having taste.
>The strong fanbase in the west is due to the translation. And it has 1500 votes at most, you can't think western fanbase is more relevant than Japan's.
That doesn't mean it isn't well liked here, which is what we where going for.
>Few novels are translated here so it's obvious people will tend to like the few exception, and ryukishi was already famouse because of the higurashi anime.
And ever after all it happened, EP1-5 are all still highly regarded, with 6 being the weakest and mixed opinions of 7 and 8.
Please go back to /jp/.
>It was liked, just not 10/10 liked.
Again. It was fine, but they never got hyped about it.
You do realize you're talking about Japan's opinion when you confirmed few times you don't even know how their ranking works?
>So it is IGN tier garbage where only 80 is good now? Wow.
80 is the minimum a novel should get to be good, 85-90 to be considered one of the best.
The range 70-80 is for average novel, and most of them are moege.
>Japan in charge of having taste.
You're in no position to judge their ranking system or their taste. It's too easy to just scream shit taste when someone has different opinion from yours.
>And ever after all it happened, EP1-5 are all still highly regarded, with 6 being the weakest and mixed opinions of 7 and 8.
After what happened umineko is a hit or miss, and vn players either love or hate it most of the time. But that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
>Again. It was fine, but they never got hyped about it.
Thanks for agreeing with me then.
+7 is good here and 6-6.5 is decent/average and may be worth a read if you like the genre. Don't know what are you talking about.
>You're in no position to judge their ranking system or their taste. It's too easy to just scream shit taste when someone has different opinion from yours.
>Thinking Japan taste is worth mentioning
Nope. But I guess is okay to scream good taste when someone has the same opinion.
>After what happened umineko is a hit or miss, and vn players either love or hate it most of the time
Overall,yeah. Per episode? The consensus what's pretty much what I wrote there.
>Thanks for agreeing with me then.
Saying it was fine isn't exactly what you're saying. According to you Japan loved umineko, when they didn't think too much about it in the first place. And that was before chiru.
>+7 is good here and 6-6.5 is decent/average and may be worth a read if you like the genre. Don't know what are you talking about.
I was talking about egs.
And you clearly was talking about their opinion when you didn't even know how their ranking works.
As I said western fanbase is less reliable than Japanese's, since they got about 1% of the whole offer. It's like asking people who only know one piece and naruto what's the best anime. It's obvious they'll say one of them, for they don't know the others. Japan having shit taste or not doesn't change this fact.
And you can't really judge their taste, so stop it.
>Nope. But I guess is okay to scream good taste when someone has the same opinion.
Never done it. In fact I often don't agree with Japan's taste for anime and novels and I have nothing against umineko, even though I think people should give priority to other novels.
>arguing so hard about whether or not other people you know nothing about like something to decide if you should try it
Just try it you fucking faggot, who cares what other people think about it.
>According to you Japan loved umineko
loved=/=liked, learn how to read.
>I was talking about egs.
According to my statement that "EGS is IGN tier garbage" you replied "like here?", which in this context can be guessed that you're talking about OUR ranking system, not yours.
>And you clearly was talking about their opinion when you didn't even know how their ranking works.
A good ranking system doesn't really matter when the ones in charge have shit taste.
>It's like asking people who only know one piece and naruto what's the best anime. It's obvious they'll say one of them, for they don't know the others
VN are more obscure than anime and manga. Pretty much anyone who knows what VN are has an understanding or are knowledgeable about it and pretty much most of the VN that are fan translated are very good, so I will say people form their own standarts by then.
>Never done it
You are doing it right now.
>loved=/=liked, learn how to read.
I was talking in general, read the thread and you'll see people claiming Japan cared about umineko before chiru, which is utterly false.
Besides I said it was liked before chiru.
>A good ranking system doesn't really matter when the ones in charge have shit taste.
You keep saying Japan has shit taste, good work anon. Why doesn't you say so for vndb as well?
>VN are more obscure than anime and manga.
Irrelevant, change naruto and one piece with two random translated novels and it's the same thing.
> Pretty much anyone who knows what VN are has an understanding or are knowledgeable about it
I don't think so. You are one of them, and your knowledge is probably limited to translated works only. Plus few untranslated yet famous novels.
>most of the VN that are fan translated are very good
Most of the translated novels are famous titles, that's all. If all the good novels were to be translated first we would have baldr sky and muramasa instead of period and ikikoi.
>You are doing it right now.
I'm not doing it. I'm simply stating facts, like Japan's opinion or the unreliability of western's taste. You're the one who keep saying hurr durr Japan has shit taste to defend your beloved umineko.
Everyone said that Ever 17 is the greatest thing and it was SO bad.
I don't know if I am the only one finding it shit, but it's not like I care about others opinions after that.
>I was talking in general
Then you have to be more specific, because I'm starting to think you're going in circles right now.
>You keep saying Japan has shit taste, good work anon. Why doesn't you say so for vndb as well?
Both have bad taste in general, however, the reason we were discussing this was because you denied that Umineko was popular/liked, and then I pointed you to the VNDB.
>Irrelevant, change naruto and one piece with two random translated novels and it's the same thing.
Anyone who knows of the existance of VN has to come around watching/reading anime and manga before it, so they clearly have an edge against the average manga/anime reader.
>Most of the translated novels are famous titles, that's all. If all the good novels were to be translated first we would have baldr sky and muramasa instead of period and ikikoi.
This is a better explanation than mine, I agree. However, most of them are pretty good I will say, aside from the obvious nukiges Mangareader translates.
>I'm not doing it. I'm simply stating facts, like Japan's opinion or the unreliability of western's taste
You're agreeing with the general consensus on the Japanese about Umineko though, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Ever17 is all about the reward at the end, just like Cross Channel and Little Busters, for example, more than overall quality. They're VN that buildup over time to hit you at the end, instead of something happening every chapter like S;G or F/SN and to some extent MLA, so they bet it all in one card, that you either can love and find the experience worth it, or think it was mediocre, so they're hit or misses.
>You're agreeing with the general consensus on the Japanese about Umineko though, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
You haven't read what I said earlier, have you?
I have nothing in paritcular against umineko, I'm having this conversation because I don't like the fact people are spamming lies for whatever reason they have.
I do think that there are better translated novels though, and since umineko is long as hell I wouldn't suggest it before other titles.
And that aside I'm posting real facts, like scores and such thing. My opinion is completely unrelated and non influential.
Example: I can say evangelion is bad, but I can't deny it's famous since you can see its dvd sales. At the same time I can say umineko is bad, but that has nothing to do with it being famous or well liked and won't change that fact.
You, on the other hand, are always saying Japan has shit taste.
>Both have bad taste in general, however, the reason we were discussing this was because you denied that Umineko was popular/liked, and then I pointed you to the VNDB.
And I've already both told you that it isn't popular or liked in Japan and explained why Japan's fanbase, and therefore their opinion, is less biased and wider than the western's.
It's not so difficult to get.
>However, most of them are pretty good I will say
I think so as well, but we're not arguing about this.
>Anyone who knows of the existance of VN has to come around watching/reading anime and manga before it, so they clearly have an edge against the average manga/anime reader.
Irrelevant. You are new to a medium, there are 2 titles translated. These titles are the equivalent of naruto and one piece. If you can't read the majority of the medium your opinion will always be biased and limited, the same way people watching only naruto and one piece will say they're the best because they haven't watched the other anime.
>I do think that there are better translated novels though, and since umineko is long as hell I wouldn't suggest it before other titles.
I can agree with this. The fact that I had probably the most amounts of fun with it doesn't mean is my favorite/more well like of the bunch if it seems like I'm implying that.
>And that aside I'm posting real facts, like scores and such thing
I'm also pointing out scores, by the way.
>Example:You, on the other hand, are always saying Japan has shit taste.
While also pointing out that is well liked in the west with the scores and more or liked in Japan, even when is not a 10/10 game for them.
>Liked in Japan and explained why Japan's fanbase, and therefore their opinion, is less biased and wider than the western's.
It's not so difficult to get.
Good ranting system don't mean anything when you have people giving high score for meangless reasons, which can be seen in the favorite game/ chracters in popularity polls, which are the same kind of audience they go for in the VN department.
>If you can't read the majority of the medium your opinion will always be biased and limited, the same way people watching only naruto and one piece will say they're the best because they haven't watched the other anime.
The VN english status, while not as broad as the JP, has enough content in kamiges, nukiges, moeges, kusoges, etc to make a reasonable assumption of them.
Then again, the only thing I was trying to argue with this conversation was that, like I said earlier, validate the popularity of Umineko in the west, which can be seen like you said by real facts in the form of scores from websites.
Since I see this conversation is pretty much going in circles and I don't think we're going to end up agreeing with each other in the central point of our statements, I think it will be best if we let it go.
Play Umineko first. Then you won't have to play anything else, since there's nothing that will ever come close to it's level of masterpiece.
>wasting literal days on poorly paced, poorly written shit with little to no pay off
I started Umineko 3 days ago.
Holy shit i'm so mad and this soundtrack is beyond godly.
>I'm also pointing out scores, by the way.
You have just pointed out vndb scores only, and I've explained at least 3 times why they aren't so reliable. But I was more interested in arguing against those who claim umineko was popular in Japan.
>Good ranting system don't mean anything when you have people giving high score for meangless reasons, which can be seen in the favorite game/ chracters in popularity polls, which are the same kind of audience they go for in the VN department.
You can't judge the quality of their scores. You can simply accept it. If you don't agree with them too bad, but that's not the issue.
>The VN english status, while not as broad as the JP, has enough content in kamiges, nukiges, moeges, kusoges, etc to make a reasonable assumption of them.
VN english status has few of the kamige like type moon novels, akabei's novels, cross channel, muv luv or ever17, but most of them are still untranslated. Let alone all the great-tier games, which are way more than the so called kamige.
So you can't make a reasonable assumption, because you don't know about 80% of the worth reading titles.
Just like those who watched only naruto or one piece.
It's always this way when you have a limited view of something.
They are all completely unrelated to each other. Pick one and play OP.
>tfw when VN translating is dead
/jp/ was useless so maybe you guys will know:
I saved in chapter 6 of Chaos;Head (not 7) and it broke. How do I get unfucked?
>tfw no Space Opera VNs
Can you still play the game? Did you have any other saves from before?
If the answer is yes to any of those, "ctrl" is your friend
I can still play it but yeah no saves... Is ctrl for skipping fast or something? I've considered just leaving it on autoplay while I sleep, I was like 10 hours in. But then I realized I wouldn't get to make any "choices." Unfortunately I then found out none of them matter anyway.
Yes, for many VN ctrl serves as a button to skip scenes, though some VN will require you to first enable skipping unread scenes if the game doesn't detect that you already read those (aka. bad programming)