Nobunaga the Fool thread.
Episode 04 airs in 6 hours and 15 minutes.
Will Jeanne act like Ranmaru again?
Will Himiko win the Nobu bowl?
Also, don't bully Jeanne!
More preview pics.
This is not going to end well. I bet Caesar will interrupt it.
New character. Is she the magician?
BTW, the characters on the website are 21, with the girl here >>100953401 we get 22 characters, same number of tarot cards.
ED single when?
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Like this one?
Himeko is the best girl.
I can see it, sense it, and feel it. She's already the most awesome and is an adorable keikaku doori loli. Episode 4 suggests her to be good waifu material.
She is gonna lose so hard that will be painful to watch.
So the marriage ceremony is happening, a shame that Ceasar would most likely show up and ruining it.
Wait, are they joining force now? The East unite against the West?
I think it is the next part of the battle started in episode 3.
Oh, I see. Ididn't look at the file name so I thought it was in the correct order. My mistake.
I'm kinda expecting that, but I'm still rooting for her. Best end would be if Nobunaga married all three girls. Seriously.
Dat "I won" expression and dem fists making a victory pump.
Can someone post how old they all are ?
Good thing I don't like underaged little shit...
What are their names?
I don't think those were revealed.
Call me when Jeanne stops crossdressing.
Nell and Bianci.
I bet she ends up betraying Nobu
"Original" characters or always based on historical figures?
Original, I would think, I don't remember any psychotic space elf from my history lesson.
But joking aside, I don't really remember any important figure with the name Nell or Bianchi that are twins.
Well, they changed gender of a couple of characters, making twins two unrelated historical figures shouldn't be really an issue for the staff, right?
Bianchi sounds like a generic name TBH. I'm looking forward to learn more about those two, since they look very strong.
Yeah, fire is dangerous.
I suppose that's true, and aye, they seem rather strong because they look so young and pure. You can never trust these type.
Teleporting house sure is scary.
Doubtful. She's in love and feels indebted to him since he helped her many years ago..
But she is crazy, anon. You can never know what a oddball can do for love!
She seems a bit crazy plus the whole cast reeks of betrayal.
Brutus did nothing wrong!
Eh, yandere at worst.
I think the only ones who won't betray is imouto and (most likely) Hiimeko.
Jeanne aswell, she wouldn't betray her Savior King. I would've said Da Vinci too, but he seem to do whatever the fuck he want anyway.
Ichihime and Akechi give off some weird vibes, Da Vinci got his own agenda too
>Jeanne aswell, she wouldn't betray her Savior King
I would have agreed, BUT they are not even trying to make Jeanne look like strong or independent, which makes me think she can actually make a mistake and do something that can hurt Nobunaga. Maybe "betraying" is a bit too much, though.
Jeanne will do exactly what Mikono did.
Nobunaga looks pissed.
Oh, if it's accidentally hurting Nobunaga then I can see that happening. I can't see Jeanne just directly hurt anyone at all, physically or mentally.
If there was any consolation, she did won by title
> Marries a woman
Of course he's pissed
She's the wife but Jeanne will be the mistress.
If he's gay, then why he had like dozens of children's if he hates pussy that much?
Why is Da Vinci so ballin'?
More like concubine.
She's even worse than Jeanne. Imouto is best girl.
>Imouto is best girl.
I can agree with this.
Imouto is worst girl. Used goods and cold cunt, she doesn't even deserve a shit like Monkey.
Himiko > Ninja > Nobukatsu > Jeanne >> Hichime
So far Imouto has like zero personnality.
Now I favor Jeanne because I don't like lolis as I believe little girls are there to be protected and taught shits too and not to receive the D, but Himiko is at least a little bit fun... Jeanne is the straight woman to Nobu's crazy, Imouto just stands there looking pretty and singing.
Of course she's bound to be fleshed a little, but so far she's cardborad flat. You have no ground to claim her best girl at this point, apart from an imouto bias...
Why is Himiko wearing western style wedding dress? Was expecting her donning traditional wedding dress instead that?
She has only been used by her husbando, so there's nothing wrong with it. Himiko is the one that is so shitty that doesn't even deserve Monkey.
>Nobunaga give me the dick Nobunaga Nobunaga Nobunaga Nobunaga
She has zero personality.
Imouto is the prettiest one.
Because baka-gaijing is there.
Will Jeanne be jelly ?
will she at least drool over Nobu's deliciously smooth naked chest ?
Or will she prove to still be pure/Lesbian like original Jeanne?
>only used by her husbando
Himiko doesn't look so underaged finally. Just petite.
I'm thankful for that...
>implying being gay means you can't have children
He will have wild sex on-screen with the princess.
>worse than Jeanne.
Oh, hell no. That's over the line.
Himeko best, then Imouto. Fuck the rest.
Can we at least actually choose someone with a personality?
Queen > Princess > Commoner
>inb4 Nobu x Himeko will be nothing more than a loveless, political marriage
Himeko's victory is a shallow victory
>implying Nobu isn't man enough to satisfy more than one bitch.
what is Ranka doing there ?
Who cares? What matters is that her victory is canon.
> West Star
> Hodgepodge of western history and mythology
> East Star
> LOL SENGOKU-JIDAI ONRY
You're missing the point. If East Star should encapsulate most (if not all) of Eastern history/mythology, we should at least get Warriors fucking Orochi up in this shit.
I kinda agree with you, just because I want to see Three Kingdoms with mecha.
>Guan Yu's mecha got its head chop off, the cock pit is still fine
>"Where's my head! Where's my head!?"
But Mari Okada isn't around this time.
Kawamori doesn't even know who Zessica is.
Okada wanted to do a Zessica end. But in the end, that probably only made things worse for her.
Zessica is great, she doesn't deserve to waste her life with Amata. She should date Kagura or Cayenne or any other guy without a girlfriend.
I always found it weird that Zessica wasn't Silvia. Her element and personality coincided with Silvia's much better than Mikono's. I always end up scratching my head wondering what kind of ridiculous reincarnation shenanigans caused her to lose all her character and become as useless as Mikono...
Maybe the next Aquarion will reveal that Zessica was actually Silvia and Mikono was a dog flea.
Stop spreading this bullshit.
Shushu was more than Sylvia than Mikono OR Zessica.
Nell and Biancchi seem to be chanelling the creepy twins frm black lagoon.
Well, these twins are male and female... the ones from BL were way more "complicated".
GUYS ITS STARTING
Well it have to start, it's inevitable.
Himiko cheering is a miracle of the universe.
goddammit nobu why couldn't you keep up being awesome
Why is Nobunaga wearing pirate boots?
>using a katana like an axe
Jeanne a shit.
he almost kissed ranmaru
HIMIKO A BEST!
Ranmaru's secret is busted already
2chan link where?
Who's the one that discover the secret?
Oh shit, what does the reversed magician mean?
Himiko. Two seconds after seeing her with Nobu she opens Jeanne's clothes.
Himiko literally groped her all over
Fucking Himiko, too good.
lacus singing again
and someone else found out Jeanne is a woman
>Jeanne in charge of keeping a secret
Looks like Ichihime also found out about her gender
Nobunaga might as well just reveal it to everyone now.
At least people are not that retarded to not find out about that. I'm looking at you, Tokyo Ravens.
OH GOD WHEN DID THIS BECOME MACROSS
Ichime singing for Nobunaga's wedding.
Himiko is 2cute4me.
Himiko being simba and Jeanne being jealous
It was inevitable.
So did notRanka ahow up yet?
>super jelly Jeanne
>super childish Himiko
>Nobunaga cutting stuff with the katana
>Nobunaga cutting stuff with the katana
In a marriage ceremony? I expect nothing less from the Fool.
Yep, and pic related was his wedding dress.
That fucking hair, goddamn.
From the preview looks like next episode Mitsuhide plotting something already
>not worshiping your Lord
She has cooties.
Next episode title: The Tower
Why is she so cute.
God fucking dammit Nobu, you gay, son?
Those eyes almost looks like Zessica's.
Is she wear black lipstick!?
So cute. So cute.
More like she was trying to incorporate western traditions and he wasn't going for it.
>Jeanne super jelly they were going to kiss
>Jeanne wetting her panties as soon as Nobu gets close to her
What was the point of hiding it? She didn't look pissed at the wedding either.
And what about the lovers card?
Didn't even start married life and Nobunaga is already tired of this psycho bitch.
He's like a reverse skunk.
Have more. She was too cute this episode.
This reminds me of some historical piece of art.
Oh god, all those hearts.
She didn't even try to hide those cowtits.
BTW, what did she scream?
She's a daughteru-type, you can't blame Nobu.
What about Magic do you not understand?
Why does her wedding dress is western?
That frame is a perfect "She sees your dick".
To incorporate western culture
>You call that a penis?
How jelly was Jeanne ?
what the hell.
DAMARE KUSO ONNA
She's too good.
Too much, she is going to Hell for her jellyness.
Their cat fights are going to be fun.
Know your place Jeanne.
When she saw Himiko trying to kiss Nobu she remembered him getting all in her face >>100967546, wonder if he hadn't done that if she would have even gotten jealous.
Why is she not the main heroine?
I want a scale of her.
I feel bad for Jeanne.
She was NTRed hard, and the man she wanted to have children with may be a pedo who would rape them.
Her maiden heart is crushed. Now superior Saru just has to take advantage of her emotional state to claim her as his.
Last one. Great episode, it was almost Valvrave S1 tier.
>Jeanne will do exactly what Mikono did.
no no no no no no no no
Mikono did nothing at all. It was just her entrancing Amata to act like a creep because of her feromones. I don't see Nobu lowering himself to that faggot level so we're safe.
she know kung fu?
Hell Nobu's making her question why she's doing what she's doing and is pushing her not to be dragged by the nose by her "destiny". He is literally in her face about it.
fight of the century we'll never see
Didn't she had relations with Chinese rulers according to history?
their conflicting ways are a bit entertaining.
Useless meat in charge of being useless.
Not like it was her idea to crossdress. Seriously, what were Nobunaga and the others expecting with that body/hair/voice?
Yeah, but she didn't even try to hide it from Ichi.
I wonder if she will be Jeanne and not Ranmaru next episode, I mean, now that Ichi knows, what is the point to keep those uncomfortable clothes?
Reversed magician tarot card meaning:
>The reversed Magician may be implying that remaining blind to a situation and clinging to the past is causing you to stagnate, which leaves you feeling drained and lethargic and with no sense of personal direction. Hence, a cheat or swindler would find you an easy target at this time,
>When The Magician appears reversed in a spread it may be indicating a lack of faith in the self which allows you to produce or accept poor workmanship, deceit or cunning.
Maybe rather than betraying by his own will, Mitsuhide will be tricked by someone.
>The reversed Magician may be implying that remaining blind to a situation and clinging to the past is causing you to stagnate,
maybe he does actually love Ichi
Magician reversed seems to fit perfectly a betrayal. I wonder if Da Vinci is really the villain of the story and will use somehow Mitsu.
"Regular" Magician pretty much confirmed for Himiko, right?
>people liking Himiko
Why? Her hair is ugly, her body is ugly and her personality is even worse.
>Her hair is ugly, her body is ugly and her personality is even worse.
Are you sane?
she's a daughteru, her not having a bangable body is not a problem wince you aren't supposed to fap to her.
She has beautiful hair but a shitty haircut...
You kidding, right?
Oh shit nigga, what are you saying?
>wince you aren't supposed to fap to her.
It started rather weak, but it's getting better with every new episode.
Unveiling the truth!
I like how you added the flashing panic text just to make sure nobody misses what your image is trying to convey, buddy.
Well, there goes my heart.
Damn, that's so cute...
agreed. but then again what can you expect from people who enjoy this shit show
jeanne and her oppai are the only good thing about it. pedophiles gonna pedo
Harem end incoming...
Hey, I like it. But I'm one to like Kawamori's BS?
But I'm not pedoing.
It seems like Oda neithet judging by his reaction when Himiko jumped him. It looks like she'll have to wait a few years before receiving the D.
More like death flag raised.
In 1 hour and 40 minutes.
Can you make it 1 minute 40 seconds?
Go to Himado if you don't want to wait.
I watched livestream, i need subs.
Watch it unsubbed.
You lied to me a/, Jeanne wasn't even that Jelly... The little carfight was funny, and Nobu's reacted like a boss.
He was being alpha as fuck. Dude never disapoints.
I bet Nobu's ridiculous costume by the end was picked up by Himeko.
Also what was the point of concealing Jeanne's real gender if Ichi doesn't give a shit. What was Mitsuhide thinking ? Is he misinterpretating the true nature of Imouto/Nobu's relationship and cockblocking himself like a retard ?
Who knows what a betraying piece of shit thinks.
In 4 episodes Nobunaga managed to: steal secret mecha and upgrade it with super weapon already, kill opposing mecha army with bow, beat their general, acquire 2 girls and marry 1 of them.
Other anime mcs, are you even trying?
>What was Mitsuhide thinking ?
She is canon historical yandere.
This season TADA BANRI and Witch Craft Works MC both beat him.
Wanting the MC's "white stuff" doesn't count as acquiring girls.
TADA BANRI is pretty great, but compared to Nobu he's a shit.
Becoming a Princess and acquired most overpowered girl of the season counts.
Nobu is a fool.
The way Nobu is brutally manhandling his bitches and their creaming their pantsus over it cannot be matched.
Nobu a best.
Only Ikki could reach such level of manliness.
He still hasn't acquired the best girl, Nobu on the other hand did.
Banri practically had to force KoKo to give him a chance, and Witchcraft MC has only recently started to get really good in the manga. They're both smalltime when compared to Nobu and his thirst for CONQUEST.
She's smalltime when compared to any of the Robot Girls Z cast... though being human-scaled Super Robots is probably too unfair.
Come on, what are you, 14 girl? Nobunaga is litterally Otome game character. Its pretty much same shit as Amnesia, Karnival etc in that aspect. If you like bishounens manhandling bitches Diabetic Lovers did the same x10.
Does not make character better. He is no Rogue Estetica or Kaze no Stigma MC.
The only otome girl game I've played had only nice boys (more or less slutty) except for one megane psycho who looked a bit out of place. No one was like Nobunaga.
But I guess different game catter to different girls : Diabolic lovers to maso girls, Famiglia to fans of old/older men, UtaPri to fabulous lovers...
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It was inevitable.
I feel a little bad for her, he's not even hiding that he's annoyed. Granted, she was a little too grating and couldn't read the mood regarding what Nobu likes. Made all the worse because historical Nobunaga didn't really pay much attention to his wife. Funny that marrying the MC makes you the loser
The bickering with Ranmaru might be fun though.
This show gets better with every episode I still can't help but feel that Da Vinci is upto some shady shit.
But pigeons aren't moe.
Make him relevant, Kawamori! He looks fucking cool!
The bickering between Jeanne and Himiko was cute.
I hope we get some Nobu and Lacus interaction soon
I want to pound Himiko so fucking hard.
Brutus betrayal when? Psycho catpeople when?
>She should date Kagura or Cayenne or any other guy without a girlfriend.
> tried to kill her love interest and would have kept trying if it wasn't for author's brainwash
Admit it, she'd be better off dead.
It's okay to bully a loli Jeanne, right?
I would say "is that you, Takano?" but it's an abomination, knowing who Jeanne is.
I'd release my raging beast into her, if you know what I mean.
> tried to kill her love interest and would have kept trying if it wasn't for author's brainwash
You make it sound like if Amata was some big loss.
Stop sexualizing my daughteru.
So the magician reversed is Nobunaga? Is it only me or does it smell like fake?
come at me, bro
>You make it sound like if Amata was some big loss.
I'm not comparing Amata to anyone. I'm just saying, it was Amata or nobody else, since Kagura is literally a stranger who would had no qualms into killing her if she got in his way. Makes as much sense as people who tried to make Shoko x L-Elf a thing. Also, if you didn't catched the homo subtext with Cayenne and Shrade you're blind. In a show where literally everyone's paired off with someone, being single in the end is worse than being dead. She'd be better off sacrificing for him or just dying in episode 21.
Trust me, there's better MC out there. Nobunaga looks good only because the MC from the new shows airing currently are shit.
Is Hiraga supposed to be this Hiraga?
God damn it Jeanne.
> jeanne and her oppai
> implying jeanne is anything else but her boobs
>Nobunaga is litterally Otome game character.
Yeah, I agree. Kawamori is known to pander both to female and male, so it's not really out of the possibilities that he'd make an MC that would be likable to males and attractive to females at the same time.
>The ceiling's too high
Why would anyone complain about that?
>I wish I was back on the Western Star playing video games.
That was hilariously hamfisted like there was no tomorrrow.
Look at her room in the first episode. Some people get restless if their sleeping condition changes. It's why she stacked up boxes to make a pseudo bed since she's used to that height.
Vain and useless.
This episode was very interesting.
The characters keep getting better and better. The line Nobukatsu said when Nobunaga was eating is quite interesting, I wonder if we will get to see more of this side of his character.
Himiko is too cute, cheering for her husbando, being pissed for not marrying him soon, being jelly, discovering Jeanne's secret immediately, being so childish and cheerful. Truly an interesting girl.
I still find Jeanne a bit meh, her whole obsession with the savior king doesn't really make her look like a strong heroine and she also acts weird: why testing Nobu trying to kill him? Sounds a bit stupid. Well, looking forward to her development though, she has potential.
Mitsuhide is fucking jelly and asspained, no matter how and what he does, that is clear enough.
Monkey is smart. He looked like a moron, but he is actually smart. Picture me surprised.
Because it is hard to warm up a room like that.
I also have problems sleeping at other places that aren't my bedroom but to complain like a little bitch like this is dumb.
>mfw Chihara Minori singing
What did Nobunaga think when he decided to wear that outfit though?
That it was cool.
He wanted to piss off everyone.
Why do people like Jeanne again?
She's pretty much Mikono 2.0, except with slightly more personality that just boils down to being a bitch.
Why do people bully Jeanne again?
I really hope Jeanne won't get jealousy fits throughout the show without never trying to flirt or approach Nobu. I really hate when that happens
> I'm jelly when I see him with other women
> but I won't do anything to win his heart, I'll just wait passively until he magically knows how I feel without me doing anything
Until now she has been just staring at him from the distance and blushing from time to time. When will she start making her moves? She has tits, used them, god dammit!
Consider the following:
Every girl is best girl in this love. I like them all.
People are trying to be positive about her to make it less painful when she inevitably wins.
>to complain like a little bitch like this is dumb
She made observations to what she didn't like then changed things a bit herself to suit her more. It's not like she woke people up to get her a new bed. Just a little "getting used to a new life" scene.
Though I do think the scene would be better if she tossed around a few times without saying a word, pat her pillow, eventually looked around the room and then pulled those boxes together before letting out a satisfied "yosh". But hey, subtlety is hard.
She's 10/10 bully material. like pic related.
It's not bullying if we're only stating the truth.
>When will she start making her moves?
Making moves on a man who's already in a relationship with another woman? Won't that be immoral?
It's our way to express our love for her.
Well, first, Nobu himself isn't very pleased, and he was tricked into marriage, in the first place. She's a wife in name only. It's only her fault if he runs away with a girl he truly loves. They have to find out that she tricked him sooner or later.
Right now she hasn't even really started to look at him that way, she's starting to become attracted but she's not really there yet.
>End of last episode sets up a big inevitable battle
>It doesn't happen
Well, actually she is not a wife and there was no official marriage.
Going by the OP, I'm afraid we won't see lots of battles. Takeda will be mid series boss, maybe Kenshin and Caesar the final boss.
Boobs. Himiko makes it hard to care about her though.
Oh, come on, she's wetting her panties for him already. I agree it's too early for her to start undressing for him, but she can't spend the whole show expecting Nobu to make the first move and just being jelly while watching from a corner. She has to make her part too, you know.
>the moment in which you realize Kawamori plays an important part in the making of this anime
It's one of those "she's in love with him but hasn't realized it yet" scenarios.
Kenshin a final boss? Sounds almost impossible if Nobu is going to unify the two stars and fight all those generals.
im hoping kenshin beats nobunaga and becomes the green ranger or something like that
also jeanne a best. if you disagree you're a pedophile
So. Laser show cake.
I would bully that armpit.
can't this nigga write something different
Or an incestfag I guess
Well, I hope that scenario won't last 10 episodes or until episode 21.
He didn't use those in AKB0048.
Like four minutes in? It's an enormous hash of all the shit Kawamori likes.
I ship Nobunaga with the ninja girl, I'm not a pedo!
No, he can't.
The two planets will run to each other eventually as well.
There are no idols in this one. Which is a minus.
Ranka for life.
She'll probably figure it out when Caesar finally arrives and pulls something.
What I don't like any of the girls?
There's Nobu's sister.
And I would bet money there's some Western Star girl who's an idoru for some dumbass reason only Kawamori could think of
Why Eastern people don't know the Western language, but Western people speak Eastern language easily?
>Watched new episode
Himeko best girl by leagues. Other girls, are you even trying?
Nobunaga is not a betafag MC who let girls claim him, so I'm not sure it'll be the-girl-does-all-the-job-and-confess kind of setting.
He would have kissed Jeanne if it wasn't for Himiko's cockblock.
>Caesar will steal her first kissu
> publicity for pseudo-lesbian idols
Japan would strangle him if he fucked up with that.
It's the Black Lagoon problem anon.
>There are no idols in this one.
>the language of the west is English
>everyone is French or Italian or some other shit
Because the Eastern language is superior to the weak inferior Western one which is not based on YAMATO DAMASHI. You should have learned this from your chinese cartoons anon.
Or just a fag if you think Mitsu is best girl.
>I would have nothing against it.
Then why did he named his mecha The Fool and not Kono Baka wa?
Nobody's saying Jeanne has to do all the job. But nobody wants an EVOL repeat where the guys (aka Amata and Kagura) had to crawl for the attention of the ultra-passive girl who did fucking nothing to deserve it. If anything, both Jeanne and Nobu have to work for a relationship, but it'll be a shit if Nobu has to do everything for Jeanne to make the relationship work. Even if he doesn't let girl decide who gets his D, it won't really feel like a good couple if Jeanne doesn't do nothing for him.
Because it makes him cool.
And you should ask why Jeanne speaks English.
>Caesar will steal her first kissu
I have no objections to that if he and Nobu will then try to out alpha dog each other. It'll be entertaining to watch.
>Nobukatsu x Himiko shippers.
Western = english, duh.
He'll probably end up nabbing her in an attempt to get her regalia.
>implying a girl would choose Nobu over perfect best boy Caesar.
He should also NTR Imouto and Himiko when he's at it.
> But nobody wants an EVOL repeat where the guys (aka Amata and Kagura) had to crawl for the attention of the ultra-passive girl
Nobu is not that type of character at all, so we should be good there. Plus while Jeanne seems to mostly go with the flow for now, she's not nearly as much of a doormat as Mikono was. And Nobunaga is trying to direct her away from that type of character.
So the sister and Himiko both knew that Jeanne was a woman (wow what a surprise) so what is even the point of her still dressing as a man and pretending to be someone else at this point?
caesar isn't into women, he's a pedo. look at those 2 little shits always with him. those things are cringeworthy. i hope they die painfully and early on
Nobunaga having girl following him around would probably still look bad.
Ask Mitsuhide and Nobu...
Maybe he wants her to not be considered by everyone as a cheap foreign slut and avoid her being sexually harassed. Who knows...
>dem plebs laughing at him
I bet he will slaughter those bastards who called him a fool and mocked him.
To make the term THA FUURU more derogatory by using the western language.
Everybody at his court already fucking hates him and everything thinks he's an idiot. I don't see how a woman following him around would damage his already shit reputation even more. They would probably just think it's normal for him.
>Plus while Jeanne seems to mostly go with the flow for now, she's not nearly as much of a doormat as Mikono was.
> she's not nearly as much of a doormat as Mikono was.
I actually don't want them to get together like a normal couple would. I want them to come to an understanding with each other based on their goals instead. No real mushy stuff. While Nobu continues his quest to be something big, I want Ranmaru to follow his journey eventually being able to understand him and accept him as the savior king.
For example: Nobunaga goes to the battlefield and kills people? I want Ranmaru to eventually be able to take a life like what her interactions with Nobukatsu last episode and Nobunaga this episode seem to foreshadow. She becomes afraid afterwards and Nobunaga comforts her. I want those types of interactions, not something like "I like you as a woman and get jealous when you're with others so pay attention to me." Leave those for another setting.
>They would probably just think it's normal for him.
Well, actually it wouldn't. Jeanne talks back to him, but if he is a male it is not something the court would find outrageous.
You can't be as much as a doormat as Mikono. That's just impossible, especially with no white knight faggot creeping on you..
Jeanne can defens herself. She's too much of a pussy though, unable to kill. Yet.
>what is even the point of her still dressing as a man and pretending to be someone else at this point?
So she can follow Nobunaga to the battlefield. I bet they'll have a moment later on where Jeanne reveals she's a woman on the battlefield. I mean, isn't that like a big thing for Joan of arc? The whole going into battle despite being a woman. Maybe that's why they chose Joan as a reincarnation.
For one, Jeanne feels like a proper character instead of just a plot device.
Well, that's nice and all, but it seems like I need to remind you who wrote this.
Hey, he is a cool guy.
>Threatening Nobunaga with a knife
>Trying to learn archery
>Actively helping out Nobunaga on the front lines, went out of her way to save those kids
>Trying to learn eastern-style swordsmanship
Okay, so even if she didn't do any of that particularly well, at least she did something. At least she tried. Mikono never did anything unless she was forced into it.
>acting and dressing like a slut
Do not want.
Well see, the difference is Jeanne has Mikono as her starting point but instead of a beta faggot like Amata coddling her so she stays the same the whole series, we get Nobunaga who repeatedly pushes her to become something more. Don't call for a god, be ready to kill since it's a war, take this seriously yada yada.
If she somehow fails to become more Ranmaru-like as the series progresses with someone like Nobu urging her on, I'll be the first to say she's even worse than Mikono.
> That's just impossible, especially with no white knight faggot creeping on you..
Caesarfag/Mikonofag/Kagurafag/Jeanne whiteknight pls. Amata was just fine before the author's literally pushed him to obsess over Mikono, it's not really his fault since he did just fine when he wasn't around her. You're talking like he decided to obsess over her on his own.
> Jeanne can defens herself. She's too much of a pussy though, unable to kill. Yet.
No, she can't. She's Nobu's housewife and she hasn't achieved anything on her own until now. She's just Nobu's bitch, following him around. Passive and dull as fuck. Even Himiko has more personality than her.
Okay, I'll take her. I want to make love to her so much.
Jeanne's about as interesting as a blank piece of paper at the moment, I don't understand how anyone can like her.
>Threatening Nobunaga with a knife
Nobu himself stated she didn't really meant it and she wasn't prepared to kill someone.
>Actively helping out Nobunaga on the front lines, went out of her way to save those kids
We already discussed that scene. That was a poorly elaborated scene to make her look sympathetic, only an idiot would fall for it. It also shits on the scenes of episode 1.
>Trying to learn eastern-style swordsmanship
>Trying to learn archery
> Okay, so even if she didn't do any of that particularly well,
Thanks for saying it.
PLEASE, DON'T BULLY!
Nobody forced Mikono to be an unlikable bitch, yet that didn't stop her from being one.
It's easier to win over a woman without a character than a woman with a character.
Everyone's just tsundere for Jeanne, either that or they just have shit taste.
Tits are all that matter on this board, looking at the catalog Jeanne should be the fan favorite here,
>Nobody forced Mikono to be an unlikable bitch
The writing/directing staff did. They trolled the shit out of her. Every time it looked like she was about to do something relevant they took it away from her.
>the difference is Jeanne has Mikono as her starting point but instead of a beta faggot like Amata coddling her so she stays the same the whole series,
Okay, don't fucking blame Mikono's shit character on anyone but her. If she was shit, it's her own fault. Amata's fault was to play along with it, but he's not her fucking dad to have the duty to tell her to put herself together.
>Every time it looked like she was about to do something relevant they took it away from her.
And that was when...? One, two times in the entire show? Really, nobody is responsible of her being a selfish cunt other than herself.
tumblr fags looking for a self-insert and anons with shit taste.
>The writing/directing staff did. They trolled the shit out of her
It's not trolling if the series creator and writer likes her while everyone else hated her. Even Amata's VA hated the shit out of her, he liked Zessica way more. Even Okada thought a Mikono end would be a bad idea.
No one likes Jeanne, not even Nobu. And she used to be his husbando.
>It's not trolling if the series creator and writer likes her while everyone else hated her.
Well, this is actually pissing the watchers... so, it is a form of trolling.
Why the hell are we talking again of Aquarion?
My point was Amata and Mikono were toxic for each other. Mikono was already naturally prone to thinking she's useless, adding Amata to that just ensured she never became anything. She struck out on both nature and nurture.
Jeanne may have Mikono as the starting point but her supposed partner is different and urges her to grow. Like I said, if she fails to become more like the historical Ranmaru as this progresses with Nobu helping her, I'll call her worse than Mikono since she actually had help yet failed.
I'm a little hopeful though because they repeated that whole "be ready to take a life" twice now. Three if you count her wussy attempt at killing Nobu back in the mech. She also got repeated "understand him" requests from Nobu's bro and sis.
Amata was a huge steaming turd, you should just acknowledge it, anon.
I like Jeanne
Jeanne is in a similar position to Mikono and it's overall quite similar to EVOL.
He was talking about the author's trolling Mikono, and you're talking about the author's trolling the audience, which is accurate but not exactly what we're talking about. Kawamori seems to be legit pissed that people didn't liked his precious Mikono, so I don't think there was any trolling going on...
Anyways, everyone > shit > kirino > jeanne
>Jeanne is useless
Is this your first anime? Most female characters are always used as love interests and damsels in distress. Jeanne at the very least is courageous enough to keep following the destiny she's dreaming, foreign goal, in a foreingn place with foreign people.
I don't especially like her but the complaints on this thread and every Nobunaga thread are just silly.
>Most female characters are always used as love interests and damsels in distress.
You need to stop watching bad shows, anon.
>Most female characters are always used as love interests and damsels in distress.
Just this season has WCW, Nobunagun, and Zvezda, and KlK is still airing.
Jeanne is not like Mikono, dude.
sure she isn't a competent action girl (yet?), but she isn't shitting herself on the battlefield, she is willing to go fighting and travellling without being forced to, she isn't using Nobu to feel better about herself.
You're just projecting.your evol butthurt.
So, what's the point of Jeanne anyway? Why is she even there? It seems like she'll just be a single-use plot device then be forced as Nobu's true end.
>the destiny she's dreaming
Which was what exactly? To go find some foreign guy to be her prince? Fucking shallow and superficial. Nobu even told her to get her shit together on this whole "destiny shit". If she's getting told by a fool then that means she's far beyond helpless.
How the hell is "most female love interests are shitty" a valid excuse for her being a boring as fuck character? Also that's a fallacy to begin with.
The point of Jeanne is that Kawamori was afraid of having a gay main couple so he made Ranmaru a girl and Kawamori loves useless weak girls. End of story. If Jeanne was male Ranmaru, things would be different.
EVOLfags butthurt is eternal.
>My point was Amata and Mikono were toxic for each other.
>Mikono was already naturally prone to thinking she's useless, adding Amata to that just ensured she never became anything.
And you're talking like it's Amata's fault that she never became anything during the whole show. Which is bullshit. It's up to Mikono to develop herself in a positive way, thing she never does in the whole show. Also, Amata just kept saying he loved her with both her flaws and virtues, he never told her to stay shit for him, don't pull shit out of your ass. Yeah, he played along with it and all because the fucking script pushed him to, but again: Amata doesn't have the obligation to tell Mikono to be better, that is up to Mikono herself. If she didn't got better, it's her fault, not his.
Also, Mikono did have help. She had Yunoha to develop a "friendship" that would supposedly help her character and never did. She had Fudo to give her advice and training, she was still shit. Hell, she even had a power that literally allowed her to connect people's hearts and understand them, and it didn't help her character either. That bitch was a bitch no matter what anyone did.
No one is obssessed about Jeanne. The plot isn't about two obnoxious dogs fighting over her.
It's about Nobu conquering the world and being awesome and his many bitches.With betrayal.
What's the fuck are you smocking ?
>but she isn't shitting herself on the battlefield, she is willing to go fighting and travellling without being forced to,
You're forgetting the part where she wouldn't be in the eastern planet to begin with if it wasn't because of Da Vinci telling her to.
I was talking about male and female main characters. The girl is always a love interest and will always be saved the the guy at some point. No matter no badass she is.
Besides I don't see why almost no one complains about the gary stu who can beat a mecha with a bow and arrows. Is he your self insert or what?
Well they should just make their own thread and stay there because this is getting tiring.
>It's up to Mikono to develop herself in a positive way,
Wrong. Leaving it to a woman to develop herself will only lead to ruin. It is a man's obligations to develop (ie cultivate) a good woman from the given material.
>Most female characters are always used as love interests and damsels in distress
So if all your friends jumped off a bridge then you'd do it too?
>why almost no one complains about the gary stu who can beat a mecha with a bow and arrows. Is he your self insert or what?
Can you stick to the point at all? Why do you feel the need to redirect when you've been cornered? You're just playing stupid right now.
Witch Craft works disagrees with you.
There is a difference between being saved by the guy a couple of times and being his love interest, and being a walking pair of boobs with barely any personality or will.
Look, this girl has been living in a farm with her parents, no idea about the outside world, no friends, no affection. Yet, she isn't afraid to embark on a journey with guy she doesn't know, isn't afraid to talk back to Nobunaga, is learning how to use a weapon ( a sword and a bow) and isn't afraid of wars. For a farmer (or whatever she did back then) that's quite a lot. You can't compare her to Himiko since she must have been taught sorcery since young or maybe she was born with them. You can't compare her to Ichi who has no personality yet. She's still useless, but she's improving, Is it that hard for your little mind to understand.
>Can you stick to the point at all?
I can't. I'm tired of the same discussion in every thread. It's like Jeanne is the only character in this show.
I said "almost"
>It's like Jeanne is the only character in this show.
Jeanne, Himiko and Mitsuhide are the only shit main characters.
>Look, this girl has been living in a farm with her parents, no idea about the outside world, no friends, no affection.
This is actually curious since the story isn't consistent about this. Episode 1 has Jeanne commenting her parents let her go easily because they didn't cared about her, then now she has a flashback of them looking worried about her. And there's a couple of other things that contradict earlier scenes. This show can't keep up with its own pace, can't it.
>flashback of them looking worried
I don't remember this.
>It's like Jeanne is the only character in this show.
> "Why are people complaining about the main heroine not having a personality? Why don't they complain about these background characters that have no other purpose than being a plot device?"
IT'S THE CIRCLE OF LIFE!
Episode 2 I think. Jeanne thinks of her parents and they look worried about her when she's leaving. I think they even gave her that pendant, but it has to be yet confirmed.
>Look, this girl has been living in a farm with her parents, no idea about the outside world, no friends, no affection
Which lead to the only reason anyone would like her: pity. Her only character so far is pitiable and helpless.
>For a farmer (or whatever she did back then) that's quite a lot
>You can't compare her to
What's this "you can't compare" bullshit? Can she not handle the criticism? Is she really THAT pitiable that no one can be frank, but rather sugar-coat everything? If she's losing to someone who's basically just a cardboard cutout then something's wrong.
>Yet, she isn't afraid to embark on a journey with guy she doesn't know,
True. But she wouldn't be on that journey if said guy hadn't told her to. Still passive.
> isn't afraid to talk back to Nobunaga
That's what a normal conversation looks like.
> is learning how to use a weapon ( a sword and a bow)
It will really suck for you if she never uses them. Again, it's dumb to defend her on the expectations that she will get better. Judge her for the things she has done until now, not on what you expect her to do.
> and isn't afraid of wars.
Well, shit, that'd be the fucking icing of the cake. But again, show about wars, it's a given, not exactly an accomplishment if she never grew to not fear them. You're nitpicking and giving her too much credit for something that isn't even that great, given the setting.
Are you talking about this? I don't think that's supposed to mean anything.
Oda actually hated his wife, it wasn't he didn't pay attention, but he would have had murdered if it hadn't been for her family position. They never had children, so it was possible they never consummated the marriage.
> my parents don't care about me because I'm demon possessed
> they look worried when I'm leaving and give me this magical pendant
Not like it'll be plot relevant, but seems pretty contradicting for me.
Nobody in the show is pitying her, not even Monkey.
He's talking about why anons would like her if it's not for pity, which is all her character radiates with "everyone hates me, I'm a pleb and my powers are misunderstood, please love me and feel sorry for me". Also the subtle vilification of any girl different than her (I have the feeling this will be Himiko). Strangely the same as Mikono.
Himiko is an obnoxious bitch. I hope she dies soon.
Himiko tricked Nobunaga into marriage when he didn't want or love her. She deserves all the vilification she'll get.
>my parents don't care about me because I'm demon possessed
That's what Jeanne actually thinks. Maybe her parents secretly care for her and believe in the visions she has, but can't bring themselves to tell her out of guilt.
Yet he went along with it because of the regalia. They both got something out of that.
I don't think they're inherently contradictory. It could be something along the lines of "My parents care about me, but at the same time, they're relieved that I'm gone because my presence was a massive headache".
I don't remember the exact lines or the circumstances where her parents looked worried.
I'm not saying that. Look at Jeanne or Ichihime. Both are portrayed as pure and passive damsel in distress. Then we get Himiko, who is crazy, assertive and mischievous. She isn't a poor, doormat good girl like Jeanne or a pure doormat like Ichihime. It's like being anything other than a passive doormat is a mark for the evil girl. The same happened with Zessica, who had constant comparisons to Mikono and the show basically shits on her because she wasn't a passive doormat like Miss Useless. Her tomboyness and assertiveness were actually portrayed as wrong.
That can be a valid interpretation, but since we don't have any confirmation on the matter, we can only wonder. Without any scene supporting or confirming this, is still a contradiction.
>wedding dress at fiancailles ceremony
>everyone wants Nobunaga's dick
So much autism in a single episode. But in my opinion the biggest problem of this anime is that the writer seem to assume that giving his characters famous names/reincarnations automatically gives them personnality.
I think it's just you grasping for straws anon. It's not a contradiction since we don't have any confirmation that they were worried.
That was hilarious.
>But in my opinion the biggest problem of this anime is that the writer seem to assume that giving his characters famous names/reincarnations automatically gives them personnality.
Yeah, exactly. Flashy clothes and famous historical names don't make a personality. Then again, Kawamori was never good in the characterization field, he's just good for crazy concepts and world building.
I never said it was Amata's fault nor did I say it was all his fault. I didn't even plan to input blame although I can understand why you think that way with my usage of beta faggot. I just said Mikono in her story had Amata who is a beta faggot that coddled her which led to her staying the same. It was a description of what happened in an already concluded story. You cannot deny that he coddled her because of how he is (or if you want, the script forced him) although I admit I should have said "contributed to her staying the same." I then followed up with a comparison to an ongoing story where the girl has a partner who urges her on.
It was in response to someone who compared Mikono and Jeanne. I pointed out they have different partners, one has someone who urges her on to become better, the other had a guy who's a bad match because of how he is even though he would have been great with another girl. Hence, I'm more hopeful for the girl who has a partner that's good for her compared to the one who had a bad match. I could have elaborated on how Mikono was at fault but that wasn't even the point of the initial post.
But if you want to talk about blame, okay. If you're telling me that it was all Mikono's fault and Amata shared no responsibility whatsoever no matter how little, I will disagree with you and the best we can do is agree to disagree. We obviously have fundamentally different views of a relationship if that's the case and I can understand why you'd think differently.
>It's not a contradiction since we don't have any confirmation that they were worried.
They look pretty worried. And Jeanne was looking at the pendant while thinking about them.
My problem with Jeanne is that she hasn't a lot of personality, unlike Himiko. For a main heroine is something dangerous and not helpful.
I don't understand this Japanese obsession with bland characters in relevant roles.
It's not specifically japanese an obsession, only the mark of writers who can't write women, and there are plenty.
Because maybe they don't hate or are scared by her? Maybe it is just Jeanne the one who has a complex "Oh, the world hates me, I'm different" but she always had people like her parents who didn't think that way and she just didn't realize it.
>I just said Mikono in her story had Amata who is a beta faggot that coddled her which led to her staying the same.
Well, that's where I don't agree. Amata coddling her is not the reason Mikono's character stayed shit throughout all the show. Mikono had tons of help of different characters + a power that would have done wonders on her, and yet she stayed she same. Amata has little influence on this aside from his whole "loving her despite her flaws" bullshit, since she had tons of different ways to develop (through her powers, through friendship, through Fudo's teachings) that didn't involve him, and they did nothing on her.
> I pointed out they have different partners, one has someone who urges her on to become better, the other had a guy who's a bad match because of how he is even though he would have been great with another girl.
Yeah, but character development doesn't have to be completely tied to the love interests. When that happens, something called "shallow love interest" happens, which is exactly what happened in EVOL. The ideal thing is that Jeanne develops in a positive way not only because of Nobu encouraging her, but also because of her own will to improve herself or through other people that aren't Nobu. How they develop doesn't have to rest solely on the love interest's shoulders.
As I said, that's only your interpretation, filling in the gaps. Until we have a scene confirming this, we can only point it out as a contradiction in the storytelling. Honestly, I don't think they'll dive in further into Jeanne's relationship with her parents in future episodes, so...
Wait, where is the contradiction? That she thinks one thing but the truth is not what she thinks?
Maybe the group will have to go there (Nobu will unify the world after all) and she'll have a talk with them too.
Jeanne is the the straight guy to Nobu's foolishness, just like Ranmaru. To add the love triangle, they needed someone with the opposite traits and personnality: loli, fun, cheerful, possessive, capable sorcerer, rich, high position, etc.
You just prefer the latter, that's your opinion, I don't dislike Jeanne's serious attitude.
There is a thin line between a straight man and a doormat. I think Jeanne is the latter. A straight man has a personality, for example.
This show is pretty bad
the problem with jeanne is that she doesnt have any impact on the plot so far, the only things she did in 4 eps was giving nobu some arrows and almost die saving some kids
I-is there a gif of Nobu licking the tea off with his tongue yet?
I know it is a matter of opinion but the staff is not doing a lot to put Jeanne's seriousness in emphasis.
Yes, she is serious, but then everything returns to pity her and think she is just a normal girl with visions who is following and trying to understand her destiny. Her main characteristic so far: being dragged by someone else.
Himiko acts, does things, is funny and the viewer can like her not just because he pities her for being crazy and doomed to loose Nobu.
Jeanne says her parents let her go easily because she was demon possessed. Then we get a flashback where her parents look worried. You are free to interpret this as Jeanne having the wrong idea, but we never get a scene with further information about the relationship between Jeanne and her parents, so it's a contradiction until they explain this further. You can try and make it work by saying that Jeanne thought everyone hated her but her parents actually didn't hated her, but there is no proof of this. Is only your interpretation of the flashbacks + Jeanne's comments.
>How they develop doesn't have to rest solely on the love interest's shoulders.
I actually agree with that though it's just that the most striking difference at first glance is their partners so it was the thing I went with. I could have noted the different ways I wanted her to develop but I'd just write a wall no one will read.
I'm the same guy who wrote >>100986790
One thing I want to see is she finds the will to eventually be able to kill someone seeing as she's in a time of war and declared herself to be a man on the battlefield. Her interactions with Nobukatsu (a person that isn't Nobu) and Nobunaga (love interest) leading to her having enough will to do it. She can be afraid of what she's done afterwards and can get comforted by her love interest. After that, she can then accept the responsibility herself and grow. Yeah I know, I'm dreaming.
>and almost die saving some kids
Yeah, with the fire that was like 10 meters far from her and while having a wide free road to escape through. Yup, really dangerous.
From her conversations with Nobu and his brother I think she is going to kill somebody eventually, the question is how she'll react.
MIX and Yunoha weren't doormats and they weren't make "villains."
Kawamori didn't give a shit about Zessica. He never even mentioned she existed. She might have been added by Mari Okada.
Wasn't she paralyzed by her visions of a past life? It was so obvious they did that just so she and Nobu can re-enact the dream she saw in episode 1 and free her from that dream. Nobu can give a speech and act cool, she can have a legit reason to like him. 2 birds in one.
>tfw she is going to accidentally kill Nobukatsu or Ichime
Who has actually had an impact on the plot so far? Nobunaga, Himiko, Da Vinci, and that's pretty much it. I don't see people complaining about the rest of the Western Star cast, or Hideyoshi, or Mitsuhide, or Ichimine, or the rest of the Nobunaga clan...
Also, without Jeanne's visions, Da Vinci and the mech would have never been able to reach Nobunaga. It's minor, but we also have 20 episodes to go still.
Well, she has had recurring nightmares her entire life about getting burned at the stake.
she is the female lead and most of the people you named are secondary characters
Not him but here's what I think. For a main heroine, having a personality like Jeanne at the start is actually helpful. Note, I said at the start and it all depends on how they handle it.
She's a farm girl who got thrown into an era of war and forced to change to cope. You can do a lot of things with that. For example, she doesn't know how to fight or doesn't have the will to kill a man? She can learn to do those like with the bow or sword. She already did get "turned" into a man and declared to be on the battlefield. She hates the power she was born with? She can come to accept it maybe even use it in battle. She gets dragged around and she's out of her element? She can decide to do something on her own for a change and come to accept her new life.
A lot of changes can be done because she started out as a "bland" character since the contrast to her previous state helps. Since a main character gets a lot of screen time, having more things they can show you accomplishing helps. I'm repeating myself but it all depends on how they handle it of course. I can understand why people aren't hopeful though since I'm quite fearful myself that this ends crappily.
Ichime was criticized before, but, well, you know, she is not the main love interest of the protagonist.
Monkey is a joke character, nobody takes him seriously, nobody expects something from him and the staff is not trying to make him relevant .
Mitsuhide is a fag,but he is Nobu's butt-buddy, nobody bashes on him because the anime is focusing only on his work FOR Nobu, which will surely lead to the betrayal, but that is it. he is not the main villain or the a love interest.
Too cute. Too damn cute.
Next episode is suffering?
Both MIX and Yunoha were quite feminine. MIX's aggressiveness and assertiveness were wiped out after she fell for Andy. Then she became tame for Andy (while still being tsundere). Yunoha was the definition of doormat after Jin was killed off, she was also shy and submissive, like Mikono. Zessica even says men only like girls like Mikono.
> Kawamori didn't give a shit about Zessica. He never even mentioned she existed. She might have been added by Mari Okada.
Eh, no. Zessica looks like Ranka for a reason: Kawamori's token love triangles. She was there since the beginning, the only thing mentioned was that at some point they considered making her win. Kawamori is the series creator, is up to him to decide which characters are in or not. Okada was just in charge of bringing her shitty drama and finishing ruining the show.
>Also, without Jeanne's visions, Da Vinci and the mech would have never been able to reach Nobunaga.
The ship they were in was going to eastern planet anyways, you idiot.
Yep, I agree with you and I am looking forward to her development too, but I'm not expecting a lot because I know the chances to be disappointed are high.
I really liked when she acted like Ranmaru helping Nobu, but as soon as she encountered another danger she was again a girl you can just pity because she has visions and fears the fire.Same for this episode: you can only pity her because she is confused, you can pity her because she is jealous of someone stealing her fated husbando. But what about doing something that can make the viewer root for and sympathize with her? Something that actually goes beyond just pity.
I know it is just the beginning, but it is not the best beginning for this kind of story IMHO.
People are still watching this show? I dropped it after the first episode. Did it get better?
My point was mostly that very few characters have actually done anything. But yeah, there was more expectations for Jeanne.
Right now, Jeanne's character and motivation is centered around trying to figure out where her visions are leading her, and why she's having them. That's an inherently passive role, because she has no control over those visions. Nobu is trying to break her out of that mindset, to take an active role in her destiny. The story is pushing for Jeanne to change and take a driving role in the plot.
It's a fucking planet. Without Jeanne, Da Vinci would have no idea where to begin searching, or who to even search for. They only met because Jeanne got Da Vinci to leave exactly at the right time.
>Takeda is being voiced by Kerry
I hope this doesn't end bad.
> Without Jeanne, Da Vinci would have no idea where to begin searching, or who to even search for.
Bullshit. Da Vinci already knew where to do, she only had the first vision after she got into the ship with him, and by then he already knew where to do.
>That's an inherently passive role, because she has no control over those visions. Nobu is trying to break her out of that mindset, to take an active role in her destiny. The story is pushing for Jeanne to change and take a driving role in the plot.
Actually, that is not true. Destiny and reincarnation were big themes in AKB0048 too, and every character was acting more or less for the same reason Jeanne is acting now (well, obviously minus the visions), but they did take an active role, not a passive one.
I hope Jeanne will change, but when will she change? At the end? Must I expect some shit like Valvrave where the character development was tossed to the last two episodes?
My main problem is only that, the story is interesting, most of the characters (Jeanne included) are cool, interesting and promising, but the main heroine feels bland and it is still unclear where the staff wants to lead her.
So if this show is hardly about boobs, what is it about?
Aquarion EVOL: Sengoku Edition
People with fabulous clothes, famous names and little personality.
Escaflowne + Horizon.
Monkeys being Jew and making money.
In the end the beginning of story doesn't matter as much as the ending.
Not true, Da Vinci only knew he had to search on the east star but not exactly where or who.
Jeanne heard a voice on the ship that told her to leave right that instant and that led them to crash very near to where Nobunaga was.
If it wasn't for Jeanne hearing that voice they would have landed and searched for weeks or months and maybe Magellan wouldn't have let them go very far.
Heck you could even say that if it wasn't for Jeanne Nobunaga wouldn't have obtained "The fool" in time for another attack and the Takeda clan would have wiped out the Oda clan before Da Vinci would have found him.
AKB was a very different animal. Wasn't really reincarnation, and the vast majority of the characters were completely unaware of how the whole succession thing worked anyway. I wouldn't even call it destiny anyway. Becoming successors wasn't their destiny, it was their dream. They knew exactly what their dream was, while Jeanne has no idea where her visions are taking her.
I agree that the whole thing falls apart if Jeanne doesn't change her path soon, but I'll complain about that when/if it actually happens.
>But what about doing something that can make the viewer root for and sympathize with her?
This may just be my hopeful side talking but here I go. Feel free to ignore me if it's too long. The scenes we've seen her in are:
-Talk with Nobukatsu about understanding Nobunaga and how Nobukatsu doesn't have the willingness to kill so he's not amazing even if he's good with the bow. Jeanne misses her first arrow and then tries to shoot again after the talk. Maybe she's training, maybe she'll be effective with the bow since we saw how useful it was against mechs in the most retarded way possible. The scene did establish precedence about her using a bow so maybe it'll come up again.
-that sword fight with Nobunaga where she got told to be serious and willing to kill which repeats part of what Nobukatsu said. Maybe she'll be able to kill someone. Maybe she'll be able to use a sword since again, precedence.
-the conversation with Ichihime where it repeats the promise with Nobukatsu. This one I'm sure of, she'll definitely understand Nobunaga which combines with her accepting him as the savior king. Part of Ranmaru is knowing what Nobunaga needs before he needs it like with the arrows, maybe there will be more of those moments.
-declaring she's Ranmaru and a man on the battlefield. Maybe she actually lives up to her declaration of really being in a battle field (fighting with the bow? sword?)
So basically, it's 2 major things that did get some foreshadowing right now (that's why I wrote all those maybes). Understanding Nobunaga + being a real warrior (willingness to kill + skill to do it). Coincidentally, both are aspects of Ranmaru, not Jeanne. There's also "accepting him as savior king" or accepting her prophecy power/coming to terms with her past life (that retarded moment with the fire). Both are aspects of Jeanne but they're lame so forget that.
>Heck you could even say that if it wasn't for Jeanne Nobunaga wouldn't have obtained "The fool" in time for another attack and the Takeda clan would have wiped out the Oda clan before Da Vinci would have found him.
That was just a coincidence. Jeanne didn't knew The Fool was in the ship. I can believe it for Da Vinci, and, in fact you could attribute that to him since she was clueless.
WUB LEVELS APPROACHING MAXIMUM
Jeanne is Hitomi from Escaflowne.
Don't even question it.
>That was just a coincidence.
>prophecy powers activating at the right time and leading to the desired result
Not even that guy but seriously? You two are arguing over something silly.
The issue is that she didn't act *now*. Or better, she acted well when she gave the arrows and tried to be brave saving the children, but she went back to being the usual Jeanne.
Why should I root for her and for for Himiko? Because there is a possibility of change? Well, it is a good reason, but it is a weak one too, because we all know things can turn out in a mess with just a static heroine. She wouldn't be the first of her kind.
I'm not saying that Jeanne wanted to give The Fool to Nobunaga (although she knew the armor was in the ship because Magellan mentioned it infront of her), I'm just sayin that if she hadn't heard that voice and wanted leave in that exactly moment Nobunaga would not have obtained the war armor before another attack from the Takeda clan.
Is Nobu the Magician or is that just a ruse?
Hitomi had an actually useful prophecy power. Well, kind of.
He's obviously the Fool.
That's so crazy it just might work!
>still watching this shit
But we don't know if a character can be more cards (we have 21 characters on the website, but I doubt they are going to make all of them relevant enough).
Each character will probably represent a card and it's reverse. It'd be strange if a character would represent more than one card.
That's why I wrote maybes. Not every character can or should act "now." Expecting every character to act "now" is ridiculous because not every character is designed to be on the active side from the start. There are those designed to start passive then slowly become active after certain events. Just like there are those who are active at the start and disappear or those that remain static throughout.
The things that are happening to her "now" are foreshadowings. But I guess until they get fulfilled, they mean nothing and I do agree since not every author is skilled enough to follow through in a satisfying way. But seriously, do you honestly expect her to be proficient with the bow and kill a guy without having seen her practice with a bow first or without seeing her contemplate killing someone first? That's why those developments can't be done "now" and why we're getting foreshadowing instead.
Also, I'm not even telling anyone to root for her. That's dumb since even I'm on the fence with regards to her. I'm just giving my opinion on what I see with regards to her potential. Anyway, I don't really think we're arguing with each other so let's end this on a good note. Thanks for reading my walls of text, it's been fun discussing things.
>do you honestly expect her to be proficient with the bow and kill a guy without having seen her practice with a bow first or without seeing her contemplate killing someone first?
Obviously not, that would be out of character.
I was expecting more Ranmaru and less Jeanne, for example, last episode she was able to help Nobunaga knowing he was running out of arrows and compensating his reckless side with her personality . This part of her felt ignored and forgotten in this episode, she wasn't able to do anything during the fight against Takeda (while Himiko at least supported him cheering).
The Jeanne->Nobu<-Himiko triangle is already obvious, I wonder who else is going to be thrown in. Jeanne, Himiko, and Ichi all wanting Nobu's dick and Mitsu lusting after Ichi? Though it's obvious Jeanne's going to win in the end anyway which makes it boring.
I want to see an anime where the "main couple" seems really obvious at the start with a bunch of flags but in the end they both get with different people. Nagi no Asukara might be going that route.
How can people get so buttmad about a walking pair of boobs
It's like getting mad at a rock or wall
Repressed memories of EVOL resurfacing.
I wanted to forget it ever happened, but anon kept making threads, so it couldn't be helped.
>in the end they both get with different people
Yeah, that's really rare. You can definitely find examples where the MC doesn't end up with what looks like the blatantly obvious girl (Zegapain comes to mind), but then it's rare that the girl also goes for someone else.
He's going too end up with both , you just watch
Why is he so great?
Bisexual harem end incoming.
So why is Nobunaga the Baka flopping?
It's not very good overall.
>Expecting anything decent from that faggot kawamori after garbage like basquash or akb0048 or whatever
Who voiced her?
You don't watch the show?
Everyone hates Kawamori now.
Kawamori's shows are good when he has someone holding him from a leash so he won't go full retard. Leave him alone for a production and he's a disaster.
It's an original, not based off an existing property, so no pre-existing fanbase to get some good sales numbers and hype right off the bat. It doesn't seem like it's being marketed that aggressively, though I'm not in Japan so I'm probably wrong. It also started off pretty weak, even if I think it's gotten a lot better since then.
I hate that little crazy shit.
What name of that archetype, annoying girls who force themselves on MC while he clearly doesn't want, like Marika from Nisekoi?
The whole concept is just weird.
I remember back when this whole thing was announced they were saying that this was just one part of the story, the rest was going to by stage plays and shit.
>What name of that archetype
Love Interest #2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Anime original shows get more hype than adaptations, though. At least they get a lot more discussion than them. In fact, adaptations don't get hugely popular until they get an anime. It's not related at all. The show is just mediocre, to be honest.
I thought I was the only one. I don't necessarily like Jeanne, but I hate Himiko and characters like her.
Literally shit taste.
It's funny because she's voicing Chitoge who you probably think is best girl.
I actually prefer Onodera's voice but I really hated her in the manga
"Oh hey it's Sunday, I wonder if a new ep of Nobunaga is out, time to go to /a/ an---"
>endless bitching about Mikono
>pedofags gushing everywhere over love interest who has clearly already lost
>'amata a shit'
>'bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut at some point Zessica was going to win gaiz'
>people getting upset because their Mikono Derangement Syndrome prompts them to hate any female character that isn't tsundere or a huge turbo bitch
I hate all of you EVOL faggots and I wish you'd leave.
The fact that you're literally the only person alluding to EVOL besides one or two posts in this thread means that you're the EVOLfag and YOU need to leave.
Chitoge is the best girl.
All girls are shit (and so manga), but Chitoge's design is lovely
>'bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut at some point Zessica was going to win gaiz'
Nobody said this.
>I'm paranoid and am a normalfag
Sounds like you need to leave.
Do a quick search on how many times Mikono has been mentioned in this thread.
Wrong. Ruri is great.
A tsundere or turbo bitch has a personality at least. You must love your passive doormats. Are you that one tumblrfag whining they hated tsundere because it wasn't self-insert material for shoujo-loving landwhales? Why does tumblr fags like that fucking bitch Mikono, anyways?
Yeah, forgot to add main girl. Ruri and Shoe are only reason I still read it
Sounds like you're the tumblr-fag here faggot.
All this muh mikono comparison is grating
>A tsundere or turbo bitch has a personality at least
(completely leaving aside Evol) Reminds me Koe no Katachi threads where threre are some shithead that I wish to punch in face over TCP/IP
There are several key factors that determines a great/best girl. This is one of them.
Himeko > Imouto > Jeanne
Deal with it.
> All this muh mikono comparison is grating
Mikonofags disappeared after everyone agreed EVOL was shit. The only people who watched EVOL that still like Mikono to these days are the tumblr landwhales that love her because they can self-insert and have never been into a healthy relationship. These threads have been infested with certain anons that, judging by the comments, came straight from tumblr, white-knighting Mikono/Kagura and applying the same treatment to Jeanne and Nobu. It's like BleachOD finally found her way here. Such a pity.
>implying engineering chick isn't best girl
the blu-ray cost more than any other shows of this season
I'm probably only Mikonofag on /a/.
I know how awful is writing.
I just like weak princess type girls.
It's pretty obvious after this episode Nobunaga and Ranmaru want to fuck. He was about to kiss her when Himiko cockblocked and he's fucking annoyed and disgusted with Himiko.
Ichihime is on route to be a Ranmaru/Nobu shipper too.
Jealous Clingy Girl. She's designated Cockblocker to nose between Jeanne and Nobunaga to add more unnecessary DRAMA when she's uncalled for.
>The issue is that she didn't act *now*
How is she going to act now, retard? She's a village girl without experience in the battlefield, she wants experience and to be strong. Mikono thought she was useless and wanted to run home while Jeanne is the complete fucking opposite.
>She's a village girl without experience in the battlefield, she wants experience and to be strong.
That's no excuse for having the personality of a wall.
> Jeanne is the complete fucking opposite.
They just keep pushing the Mitsuhide wanting Ichi's tits huh? I'm guessing she will be the reason for his eventual betrayal, but seems weird since usually it's suppose to be Hideyoshi and Katsuie who wants her.
Nobunaga is such a fag to not tap that and love Himeko.
Himeko is destined to lose, but god damn it, she deserves to win for being so awesome. She'll end up as the girl who does everything for Nobunaga due to her love and admiration, but wont receive his love. Her efforts and inevitable sacrifice will be left unknown to Nobunaga, making it all the more sadder and tragic.
>That's no excuse for having the personality of a wall.
But she doesn't. You're confusing her with the Imouto.
Mikono was scared of fighting, Jeanne wants to learn how to fight, she's lacking focus.
Mikono wanted to run away back to her family even if she hated it, Jeanne jumps at the chance to learn about her fate and confronts immediately if it's a good idea or not.
Totally different. The first time Mikono was in a robot, she cried and whined and nearly pissed herself clinging on Amata. Jeanne tried to stab Nobunaga and told him hands off.
You keep dreaming and project your ridiculous EVOL butthurt to the show.
She deserves to lose for being an annoying and clingy girl, plus an hypocrite who 'hates' western things only when is convenient to her and 'loves' them when she gets to fuck with Nobunaga.
>Nobunaga is such a fag to not tap that and love Himeko.
You are right, he's fag, not lolicon.
>That's no excuse for having the personality of a wall.
That's just blind hate butthurt fellow evolfag.
Jeanne is more like MIX than Mikono. Why are Evol fans so retarded?
Never expected this show of all shows to have terrible waifu wars.
akb s1 was good
Evol fanbase is cancerous.
Your taste is awful.
And you're retarded if you can't see that HImeko is just being tsundere towards the west. She doesn't think everything about them is bad at all.
This. She's obviously mildly tsundere and aggressive rather than passive aggressive. She's forced "male". She has an uppity attitude and giant boobs.
She's fucking MIX.
She's an hypocrite who is talking shit because of her jealousy. You have shit taste to even like her. Her design is ridiculous.
Is it still fanbase when they hate it?
They obviously can't shut up about it.
>Ichihime and Nobukatsu support Ranmaru at their brother's side
I guess Himiko needed to be around to ruin everything and make their relationship drag to hell. Fucking annoying.