I just watched this.
Why, /a/? Just... why?
because fuck the imperial japs
Am I the only one that didn't like it? Pure Japan-patriotism propaganda. As if they didn't deserve to lose that war.
America, that's why.
It's all Seita's fault that Setsuko has died. couldn't he even flatter his aunt?
fuck the Chinese
never forget Pearl Harbor
At the moment she got sick I'd come back bawling my eyes off begging her to take care of the kid, at least.
If you ask me, the deserved 100 bombs dropped on every one of their cities. At least they're now getting killed by radiation from Fukushima. Payback is a bitch, I guess.
Setsuko's death stroke me really hard when I first watched it. You usually expect main characters to have dramatic, meaningful deaths.
Hers was just "she never woke up". So harsh and cold. Got me feeling like shit for the rest of the movie.
movie was great, but only a middle rank ghibli
From what I've heard, the author of the book actually did cause the death of his sister during WWII. He wrote this story out of sheer guilt.
I stroked a lot when I watched this movie too
The movie was a commentary on the shittiness of Japanese youth at the time in the bubble economy, with fireflies being the central metaphor. The temporary nature of fireflies as creatures is the temporary prosperence of the japanese economy (shown when comparisons are drawn between citylights and fireflies). And how one must value their privelidges while acknowledging their temporary nature, and how shit went down in times besides your own so shut the fuck up and respect your elders.
Siding with the Nazi and attacking Perl-Harbor.
Batan death march is just one reason out of many as to why the imperial japs should have been eradicated
That little shit should have sucked it up and slave labored for his aunt. It is his fault that his sister died the fucking cock sucker. What a shitter.
What the fuck /a/, you told me this was supposed to be sad, but it was only about a dumb 13 year old that couldn't move on from a relationship that never even happened
Straight pussy shit, I tell you what
Prospering but I can't spell/grammar.
It's cause Murica's shit eating grin decision to choke Japan from mah oil.
You didn't know that US was goign to starve Japan out on oil before Pearl harbor?
Oh god, this comment with this image. I lost all of my sides.
Non-native english speaker. Sorry if I stroke sometimes.
What is it anyway? Struck? Striked?
>thread to discuss a chinese cartoon
>heated argument about WWII and japanese economics and values
This is a movie based off the authors experiences from what I recall
Kinds in real life are hot-headed and foolish, you'd think you would make the right decision in that situation when you were ten years old, but that's only hindsight speaking. People in real life are foolish, prideful, and that's why shit like this tends to be more true in a way. As I recall the only scene really made up was the part where he died at the end, as that's only something he kind of wished would happen after what he had done.
Why do you think we can relate so well?
In this case it was "her death struck me"
Course I could be thinking of something else as well, which is why I'm looking it up.
Remember Pearl Harbor?
Remember Marco Polo bridge?
Milhouse is not a flashpoint is a flashpoint.
You mean prosperity?
Fuck you, it was sad, you can't tell me I cried little bitch tears for no reason
If you look up some on the history of Imperial Japan, you'd see they were some heartless people. Look into their ventures into Manchuria and the Batan death march for example
>Some critics have viewed Grave of the Fireflies as an anti-war film due to the graphic and emotional depiction of the pernicious repercussions of war on a society, and the individuals therein. The film focuses its attention almost entirely on the personal tragedies that war gives rise to, rather than seeking to glamorize it as a heroic struggle between competing ideologies. It emphasizes that war is society's failure to perform its most important duty to protect its own people.
>However, director Takahata repeatedly denied that the film was an anti-war anime. In his own words, "[The film] is not at all an anti-war anime and contains absolutely no such message." Instead, Takahata had intended to convey an image of the brother and sister living a failed life due to isolation from society and invoke sympathy particularly in people in their teens and twenties, whom he felt needed to straighten up and respect their elders for the pain and suffering they had experienced during arguably the darkest point in Japan's history
>dat assblasted gook in the comments
Remember Alf? He's back, in pog form
Haha, the essense of any work of art ever.
People hail it as the greatest shit since invention of the wheel and it turns out the author was actually just ranting about trivial shit.
you cried little bitch tears for no reason
cry a little more, bitch nigga
No it wasn't. It was pretty mediocre and was complete and utter garbage.
this makes me want to play Fallout
>all dem muricans yelling "for Pearl Harbour"
they weren't even alive at the time. also the whole first half of 1900 was basically crazy people fucked up in the head doing fucked up stuff, it's so silly to still hate on japs, germans or italians I'm from one of the axis countries though
I wonder if the people realize that the book was basically a self-loathing 'I wish this actually happened' biography of the author? he was an overly prideful shit and caused the death of his sister.
Every country did stupid shit like that in the past
The message is still there, and maybe he did cause some punk kids to get their shit together because of this.
I dont know if you guys knew this but this was on wikipedia. Grave of the fireflies and Totoro were showed as a double feature when the movies first came out and parents took their kids to see two heartwarming childrens movies but they got something completely different after watching Totoro.
The message is what comes across and not what was intended.
Art is communication between creator and observer, if the intended and the de facto message differs, the artist dun goofd.
And lets be honest thats the case like 90% of the time.
I bet you're one of those brutal nazies pls don't holocaust me again
Doesn't mean he goofed, rather all art becomes something else the second the creator releases it.
That's just a natural part of the process. No matter what you say you can't help how other people might view your works, so you can just hope they'll see it for something while drawing their own conclusions, and maybe if you're lucky someone will see it similar to the original intent as well.
Man i remember crying like a bitch by the end of the movie. I went into it completely unprepared thinking it was something like a miyazaki movie
its a pretty sensitive topic so he probably denied it only to save his ass from some criticism
"its whatever you make of it"
which coincidentally also sums up the entire evangelion franchise
Americans exterminated a whole ethnicity, Britbongs brought China to its lowest point by forcing them to buy fuckton of opium from India, where it was produced en masse and this destroyed Indian economy and agricolture.
French sent a fuckton of Americans to die on their frontlines during WWI because they couldn't repel the Germans, and even then they were losing the war. German leaders let their country starve during WWI because of the British blockade. They thought they would win the war but on their country people were dying because they sent all farmers to war. Also Hitler and the holocaust. Stalin starved millions of russians to industrialize the country, killing as many people as Nazi Germany did. Japan attacked on Manchuria, had chinese labor camps where they used chinese civilians as guinea pigs. Dutch people massacred niggers in south africa. Everyone did shit, all the assblasted 'muricans still clinging on Pearl Harbor are idiots, they did even worse shit in Vietnam and it wasn't their fucking business.
>French sent a fuckton of Americans to die on their frontlines during WWI because they couldn't repel the Germans, and even then they were losing the war
>this is what Americans actually believe
That image has clearly been retouched. Here's the original.
I love everyone
Yeah the problem is that nobody ever sees the intended message for what it is, "it cant be that shallow, its art!" Thus overanalyzing commences.
>which coincidentally also sums up the entire evangelion franchise
Yeah nah, NGEs message is pretty simple, its "I feel like shit and let me tell you why." The biblical shit was just a sci-fi naming theme, anyone who got his share of literature/movies smelled it right away.
The doughboys didn't go through that. The Canadians and the Aussies/Kiwis on the other hand...
Americans like to think they pulled all the weight in WW1 because they showed up after the Spring Offensive.
It was our fault to send undertrained soldiers that didn't even know how to fight in a trench, but the French strategy was "send as many people as we can to the frontlines and slow down the Germans while they starve, hopefully they'll surrender". France was losing the war, even when it ended they had the Germans several miles up their ass.
>British and Commonwealth forces pulling the brunt of the entire fucking war
>yanks show up and fight a few battles for the French
>WE TOTALLY SAVED YOUR ASSES
hahaha what the fuck
Did this air on TV?
don't worry american friend, I'll send you a sms of solidarity when the yellowstone caldera will blow up your ass
The Americunts never had been cummed inside by the big bad Gallipoli. Speaking of that kind of pleasure, Canada was sent to lol Ypres and had 6000/17000 causalities in 48 hours. 2/3 of those were fatalities.
Here's the list of butthurt for soldiers..
Aus: 61966 dead. 152171 wounded/ 4.5mil. 1.38% pop
Can: 64976 dead, 169732 wounded/ 7.2mil, 0.9% pop
NZ: 18052 dead, 41317 wounded/ 1.1mil, 1.64% pop
US: 116708 dead, 205690 wounded/92mil, 0.13% pop.
You Americans loss less men than the other three anglosphere dominions added together...
>yuropoors slap each other for years with no progress at all
>America shows up suddenly the war is won
>b-b-but it wasn't because of you America!
get fuckin real faggots. i didn't know dying the most was a sign of doing more in a war.
only retarded yuropoors would take dying as a measurable standard of effort.
Whenever the argument over America's contribution in either of the world wars in Europe comes up, I, an American will be the first to admit that the actual military contribution was for the most part negligible. However, the material contributions of the Americans saved the shit out the Allies in both world wars
nigga in WWI our men died like bitches, shut the fuck up
without our resources the French, Britbongs and Shitalians would have lost WWI so this, 1000 times this
the only reason germans didn't kick their ass is that we supported those snail-eater faggots
>that scene where she's eating mud
That made me tear up worse than when she died.
Try to remember one thing about WW2.
This man single handedly saved Japan after we nuked them and made the Japanese bubble, if it were not for him, Japan might be a US State, post-war/pre-atom Japan was that bad.
Japan's bubble, 1/1/1963-2/9/1989, never forget this wonderful man.
>hurr durr we saved your asses
Sure. It was totally not because if the Germans had succeeded in conquering Europe and consolidated their power you'd be speak German by now, along with 1/3 of the world.
Nobody is selfless, your leaders were just wise enough to know what would eventually happen otherwise.
>implying anyone said that the US was selfless.
the fact remains, without US supplies, France would've broken in 1917, England would broken in 1940 and it probably would've taken Russia a long fucking time to get across Poland in 1944.
It was kind of sad, but you and I know it was all about that fabulous art.
I didn't think much of it. Grave of the Fireflies is legit sad though.
America still nukes the entire world culturally... feels bad
FOR FREEDOM OP
YOURE NOT SOME KIND OF FREEDOM HATING JAP ARE YOU OP?
I just watched it too, and it was great. I haven't cried this much in years. I didn't think there was any propaganda, just a guy trying to protect his sister.
Although I have to say, other anime MCs need to learn from this guy:
>mother dies, shrugs it off and acts like a man for his sister
>strips his sister faster than the fag from Oreimo
>Aunt's a bitch so becomes a rebel and lives in the woods
>Isn't afraid of robbery
>He thinks the brits had any chance of winning without the lend lease
Toppest of all lel
Karmic vengeance bitches.
Eat shit, that's karma for Perl Harbour, Nanking, Korea, Jugun Ianfu, Romusha, 731, and many fuck up shit those fucking japs do.
The murrican should hang their emperor. Japs are let go way to easily compared to Germans. At least the US Marine are still raping those japs bitches there. Fuck yeah Marines.
I love America as much as the next guy, but is everyone baiting today? It wasn't about the war fools. It's a tragedy based on a kid who protects his sister from outside circumstances.
>It's a tragedy based on a kid who protects his sister from outside circumstances.
A KID WHO BOMBED PEARL HARBOR
EAT SHIT TOJOU
Nanking is tragedy, Japs occupation of Korea is tragedy, Bataan death march is tragedy, I-8 massacring Tjisalak crew is tragedy.
This shit is Japs getting their due.
What's wrong with you two? Did a jap rape you or something?
>On the 26 March 1944, during a cruise into the Indian Ocean, I-8 torpedoed the 5,787-ton Dutch freighter SS Tjisalak. The submarine surfaced amid the debris field and after a brief exchange of gunfire with the ship's defensive armament, collected the survivors on the submarine's deck. Shortly after the freighter had sunk, the merchantman's crew and passengers, totalling 97, were tied together and forced to run a gantlet of Japanese sailors, during which they were slashed with samurai swords and beaten with monkey wrenches and sledgehammers before being shot, then kicked into the water. Six men managed to survive and found a life raft. They were later rescued by the Liberty ship SS James O. Wilder.
M-m-muh kid is starving ;_;
Fuck you weebs. Yellow people ain't even human.
As a matter of fact Japs did occupy my country, and my gramps did suffer during their occupation the shit they do are even worse then what European colonizer did.
nah my family actually got rich on getting information for both japs and americans back in the war
The nips supported the wars.
Their emperor was broadcasting telling their citizens to commit sudoku rather than surrender.
The bomb was just collateral damage. They have no intention to surrender until it happened.
You might said that they were innocent but by just being nips they were guilty.
German atrocities were much worse, but nowadays most people don't really harbor any hatred towards them.
Not to mention that we killed numerous civilians during WW2. Largest death toll were the fire bombings of Dresden. 150,000 people. They weren't even a point of strategic interest.
There was no good in that war. Only "lesser" evils, if you want to call it that, but I wouldn't justify it that way.
I actually wish we never helped France during WWI. Without our support they would have never won the war since Germany was pretty close to Paris and to victory when they had to sign the armistice because they didn't had food. Without the US they would have lost before the starvation became critical. Brits would have retreated from war (because let's be honest, Brits are fucking garbage. they were actually siding with Hitler before WWII started, they just turned their back to them because Nazis decided to share Poland with Russians and Brits got buttmad that they wouldn't get a slice of the pie. many british people hated jews and wanted them to be exterminated too, because they thought it was an inferior race. they even started the whole eugenic stuff along with the french), US was in neutral-good terms with Germans. Also Russians had very close relationships with Germans because the Kaiser and the Tsar were cousins or something. They didn't even want to fight each other during WWI. Communism would have been stopped probably if Germany would have helped them to deal with the revolution.
europe would have been eventually conquered by Germany and Austro-hungarian empire. Nazism would have never happened (without losing WWI and the conditions of the treaty of Paris Hitler would have never had the reasons to even start it, and he wouldn't have been butthurt. he would have remained a painter).
tl;dr if we didn't help those fucking French faggots now Europe and the world would probably be better places, even if we all spoke english and german. And the economy wouldn't be shit. Also Japan would probably be part of USA.
>German atrocities were much worse, but nowadays most people don't really harbor any hatred towards them.
Oy vey the goyim keep forgetting rememeber the holocaust
But seriously japs got it better than us nazis
I'm not saying they were innocent, far from it. I want to know why /pol/ is here trying to deconstruct a pretty good movie.
The Germans are actually sincere in their apologizes, although they bend over too much to immigrant these days.
The Japs are cunts with their half-assed apologizes I mean shit nigga you don't apologize and then worship the dudes committing the warcrimes and making comment that the prostitution are needed or shit.
The Italian are the only one cool enough.
We prefer the term informations salesmen but yes they were, usually sold to the highest bidder which were usually the americans but japs did have some gold here and there
Kaiserreich, play it.
It's all for show anyway. The fact is that it happened so long ago that it really shouldn't matter outside of making sure it's never repeated. Also it's not the people's fault that they have an archaic and overly conservative government.
>implying it was remotely sad
German owned up to their atrocities.
The nips premier leader was making statement how the war didnt happen blah blah and they were not invading but freeing the countries from western influence and such.
Not to mention they also like to glorify their WW2 past in fiction putting them in a positive light. The wind rises song is actually about commiting sudoku.
It's democracy, the people are responsible for their leader. It's like saying murrifatty ain't responsible for Bush. Protip: They are.
Why? To quote a certain Senator:
>FEEL THE WRATH OF THE U.S.A.
CIDF hard to work in /a/ today I see.
How much did the party pay to post on 4chan, 五毛党?
"Democracy." The fundamental problem there is that they elect leaders not ideas. Leaders are people, and subject to influence.
You know Gore won the popular vote, right?
This one isn't sad. It's more like depressing. Or soul-emptying (if that term exists). It leaves a hole inside you that makes you long for something to fill it up.
>fill it with a dick
> the people are responsible for their leader
What about the people who did not vote for said leader?
Thank God collective responsibility is an asian thing eh?
It's just edgyness.
Hello Japanese, I see you are enjoying live in the west,
USA USA USA USA USA USA
Empire of the Rising Sun will rise again. We will get our anime about cute little girls killing pig disgusting chinese and koreans and occupying their lands. After that comes the invasion of america. They don't stand a chance against the full force of banzai kamikaze.
Germans changed. Americans changed. Nips changed. Russians didn't change at all. Italians didn't give a fuck and still don't. These discussions are pointless, and every country tries to hide the atrocities they committed, or at least not be associated with them anymore. We don't talk about how we destroyed the natives, the russians actually defend Stalin even if he killed millions of them, the nips became peaceful and uguu. who cares, it was 70 years ago
>getting personal over wars you didn't live in
It's funny because I'm in the US military Air Force officer and I think this is stupid.
ikr it's like being on /pol/ but with cute girls
>mfw Pearl Harbor
It was like World War 2's version of 9/11.
>Not shitposting on the internet to defend your ancestor's honor.
Gwai lo pls.
That was pretty much my point, that generation is already almost gone at this point. Just sad that this nationalistic pride bullshit gets passed down.
It's mostly just edgy /pol/ posters and people trying to not look like weeaboos saying these things.
Well it's not like my country has anything to be proud of. Our independence relied heavily on muricans.
Good good, keep defending maybe youl become palt of yamato mastel lace one day.
my ancestors just had to deal with fucking russians and we won, also no one knows we were in war and most people don't even know where my country is so I'm ok, just looking at this penis contest
Oy vey! It's like a real life Shoah!
So now that we are done with that bullshit is this movie worth watching?
>Your favorite anime is shit, Anon
>Y-YOU JUST MAD BECAUSE WE OWNED U'RE ASS IN WWII
These threads in a nutshell.
Japs occupied my mom's country and executed thousands of people who they suspected of being anti-Japanese.
Am I supposed to feel hatred towards them? I'm not really sure.
Not that guy, but /pol/ sure is annoying today.
Yes, it's really good. I recommend you watch it with a tub of ice cream at night.
Pinoy? But you are the strongest race!
Only Finland and Afgan win against the Soviet, if you are Finn you are dead wrong considering how much /int/ love to suck finnish cock.
Decent. Too much japs propaganda though. But hey fuck it I play Kancolle and it's even more cockful of japs propaganda.
Yes, but only once. You'll never be able to bring yourself to watch it again.
I swear I must be being baited here. My post wasn't even about Jews.
/pol/ is annoying every day.
Wouldn't everyday life be easier if these arguments were valid.
>Hey, pay those hotdogs!
>No way! We beat you in WWII!
>Oh, okay. Here, take some hot sauce then.
never been on /int/, but all the americans I play online with thought Finland was near Pakistan
It's /pol/ if you say anything bad about them because, you know they're annoying cunts your a jew
They couldn't adjust to the FREEDOM.
>Pinoy? But you are the strongest race!
Hah. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or pertaining to those swag-strong half-flips.
I'm going to take the former though.
>The Germans are actually sincere in their apologizes
I'd like to see the Germans not apologize when they were in the hands of both the US and the Soviets.
Japan's problem on the subject today lies in the fact that their politicians are retarded (like practically all politicians) but on top of that are also cowards who cannot bear to find any fault with their heritage.
On the other hand, this hard set stance on the subject is aggravated by China going fullretard on the issue and fabricating more propaganda than the japanese are accused of doing. The Japanese feel like they'll have given in to China's attitude if they become softer on the issue, and the collective memory is still confused and pained about all that happened in the war, so they don't want that.
He didn't protect her he was the reason she had to die like that.
He should have left her with his aunt or gotten a job.
yfw you started reading this from right to left.
You know as a fellow SEA monkeys the thing that annoy me with WWII and Japs fuckery is that people can't fucking separate love of Japs made entertainment vs the shit that Japs do on WWII.
I mean fuck you could love Anime and Japs people and hate Japs government and their imperial past you know? But nooo most people in real life and on /a/ take fucking personal offense when glorious japan is insulted, fucking weebs.
ikr. I've been in japan and the people are awesome, I love the animation but hate what they were during WWII, but in my country everyone hates them regardless because of their past events
Not really. I think that most people on /a/ can differentiate between the Japan of today and the Japan of WWII. The ones who can't are mostly from /pol/ anyway.
I suck in history tbh. I couldn't even remember who killed who in my history 1, so I couldn't really give a fuck who did what in the world war II.
But I think this thread is more of "riding murica's glory for winning" than "hating the nips". The former would inevitably bring up the topic though so here we are.
You are on /a/ where people love chinese cartoons.
This thread is 99% fuck japan imperial past.
I've always thought the enmity between japan and korea as some sort of meme. Do you mean to say it actually exists?
I know this thread is shit, and most of you from /pol/ won't listen, but by the great Thoth, stop doing this.
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW
yeah? chinese people hate japs too. my mother and father didn't want me to go to japan because they think they are filthy and still dangerous
my grandmother don't even know I went there or she would have disowned me
I can't speak for the public opinion, but Korea and Japan as nations are not on very friendly terms with each other.
I've met some Koreans who told me that they don't hate the Japs of today but hate their history.
Even though Germany also committed huge atrocities during the war, they at least owned up for their crimes and the key leaders at least were punished in the Nuremburg trials. I suspect that the emnity towards Japan is because they never acknowledged or made any attempt to make amends for their behavior. They want to put their past behind them, but in a way that involves just pretending it was all good rather than by atoning.
this, also many koreans hate japs because of some vocal minorities in japan that are very hateful toward us. you know that japanese nationalist group that became famous in the west for that "white piggu go home"? they actually don't give a fuck about whites or even blacks since japan is getting a big fill of caucasian and black immigrates, especially in these last years, but they are still intolerant against koreans and chinese. that group is actually a vocal minority that hates koreans with passion and was founded for this reason.
< Also, post war Japan had this holy man as well, plus he's still alive.
Anyway, what was up with Russia's roll in WW2 teaming up with the US & UK seeing that at the time?, the US & USSR were arch ememys during that time, why did they team up to stop the axis.
because the russians actually wanted the war to end, and the only reason they were in war was because of the Nazis that declared first. Lenin's Russia and Stalin's Russia were anti-war. The abolition of any kind of war was in their communist constitution, believe it or not, they wished for a world where war wasn't needed. That's why they tried so hard to stay neutral with the Nazis, until Hitler declared war. And they also only won the first assault because Hitler pulled a Napoleon and invaded during winter, and Russians were lucky that it was a particularly harsh winter that year. They then re-organized while the Nazis were busy fighting against the allied forces and didn't put any pressure on them, and attacked back to finish the war as soon as possible. If it wasn't for that winter and if Rommel would have been at the lead of the attack then Russia would have fallen.
The US and USSR were not arch enemies at the time of WW2. American industrialists and all were completely opposed to the USSR and were instrumental in Nazi Germany leaping ahead thanks to their economic aid, but the official policy was not the one in the post-war world.
I'm going to massacre your first born for what you did to that wedding party in Afghanistan.
I see then.
Just watched it too and was going to make a thread
As someone with a sibling and a father who was away at sea for a good chuck of my life...goddamn.
Rated age 6 and up in Germany
Welcome to art, newfag, where every piece is meant to have a meaning but it conveys something different.
Now fuck off to watch american television.
I hope all of you retarded people and trolls die, what a shitty thread.
>Welcome to art
>but it conveys something different
There is a meaning a "piece of art" is trying to convey, and there people who misinterpret it.