I wonder how much screentime Mana will get in the crossover movies later on down the line.
Ded like Doki Doki
The childhood friend who had to commit OT3.
I want to make love to Love.
At least have the decency to capitalize, faggot.
People like you are responsible for the demise of the franchise.
Which precure would you take a huge bong rip with?
Manadomination is really over
plz no talk lewd about waifu
I know, I'm sad too.
Every thread until I forget about my desire for this.
THIS THREAD IS Loveable
I'm glad it's over
>she takes over an entire episode instead
Among other things, I didn't like how Regina and Aguri weren't just twins. For whatever reason, Regina is older than Aguri despite them being "born" at the same time.
We know fundamentally nothing about next season. It could be a DD sequel for all we know.
>Megumi fangirls about Mana who is actually her ancient ancestor
>Golden statues of the legendary Mana everywhere
>Megumi and Mana's ghost gattaing to one-shot the final boss.
I will rue the day if that happens.
Japan and the Trump Kingdom are probably in different time zone. Like how people born in UTC -6 are all colossal faggots.
I don't really care anymore, if HapCha sucks too I can just admit that Precure is dead and I don't need to force myself to watch it like I did with Doki. So I can have a warm memory of Smile and remember it as the real last Precure season. But it's really impossible to make a season worse than Doki, so right now my expectations are very low.
They didn't come up with the idea of them being the same person until later.
Can you guys believe it?
IT'S OVER THE FUCKING MANA SHOW IS OVER
I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY RIGHT NOW
She's not your waifu, she's Setsuna's waifu.
Fortune is that you?
I'm pretty sure they intended that from the beginning. It's a pretty crucial plot point.
Next, you're going to tell me that Seika and Waon were supposed to be Cures instead of Eren and Ako.
Right. That's why they have the same damn exact face sans hairstyle
I didn't really find the Mana-asplosion that egregious. Last week, the others did more and kicked ass while Mana just got a cool speech, so it balances out.
Not him, but I think it's entirely plausible the finale was reworked drastically from the original intention, after Toei saw how positive a reaction Regina got from just the leaks of her design.
My conclusion is that everything up until the Ace reveal was all according to their original script; things they had written and codified early on and even before Doki even started airing. They went into this thinking their "Regina, Ange, and Ai are red herrings" idea was going to be good, but then as they revealed Regina's design, background, and eventually her actual character, they realized people actually like her a lot.
They probably originally intended to have Ace perma-kill Regina during her reveal, as a way to shake things up even more. Instead they probably tossed out that idea and hastily rewrote the 3rd and 4th cours, to give Regina further importance in the plot beyond being KJ's daughter. Hence why the 3rd cour kind of circles the drain and dances around the main plot as if it doesn't even exist. At the very least we can probably say for sure that Ace and Ai were always intended to be Ange's reincarnations, but Regina might have been added into that mix at the last second.
In the end though, given what they'd already planned out and how far they were into production, they obviously couldn't make Regina a Cure, so they did the next best thing: kept her as part of the Cure team in the endgame.
tl;dr: keeping Regina plot relevant beyond the midseason climax might not have been their intention, but Toei saw an opportunity to cash in big time and rewrote a lot of the second half of the season.
They were definitely not planning on killing off Regina at that point. They still had to reveal why Regina and the Red gem reacted to each other. It's clear that Ai, Ace, and Regina were the same person for a long time when you put the pieces together.
You know, out of all the things Doki Doki, remembered, I didn't think it would clarify that "cleaner" joke from MakoPi we were all confused about.
I didn't think about that, but I still think that SOMETHING was changed for the second half. It's the only way to explain how a plot-heavy season like Doki just drops almost all of it in the 3rd cour and then picks up again in the 4th as if the 3rd cour never even happened.
I think if it added anything, it would be the legendary treasures and the ancient Precure references. The thing sealing proto could have been any magical old thing.
Wait, then that brings into question as to why the King would unseal him into the first place.
I get the feeling the ancient treasures were there before too. I don't think they changed anything central to the plot to be honest. What I think they noticed was that fans weren't reacting well to the less episodic storytelling and contiguous plot. They assumed throwing in some slice of life carelessly would fix that problem. They probably had a lot of conflicting ideas on how they wanted to handle specific things too. There weren't any huge contradictions or flaws in the story, just weirdness in how it was told.
The real problem however was none of that. It was just that someone on the staff really wanted Mana to be way larger than life for some reason. I honestly thought it was fine until the resurrection, but that took it way too far. More to the point, it just wasn't a very interesting solution to the problem that was presented. It was just a bad episode. Oh well, one bad episode next to 45 or so pretty good ones doesn't ruin the whole show for me.
Skip to 2:19 for the Doki OP.
At least we're all in agreement the 3rd cour felt very out of place when presented with the rest of Doki.
Not bad (as that's subjective). Just out of place.
kono yume wo
kimi to fly high
Inb4 this happens with Heart and Lovely
I still can't believe that the context of this fanart becomes canon.
Kind of. It still kept the plot moving, albeit at a slower pace.
First 5 episodes was training and addressing of character flaws. Not really that much of a slowdown. It was an interruption, but considering what happened before, it was understandable.
Then it went kind of slice of lifey for a bit, followed by an important training episode and the introduction of the three ancient artifacts. Then a little more slice of life, then the Gula Levi final fight. Finally, back to more slice of life, followed by the reintroduction of Regina as a villain. The slice of life after this point became focused on actively trying to redeem Regina again, something that everyone seemed to take for granted, but it moved the story forward.
I thought this sort of pacing was actually pretty good, but it would have been better if the first half had more like it. It's just that it changed so much. Also, it is kind of silly that the fluffy episodes good for getting us to like the characters came after the big dramatic happenings.
With all that goes into making an episode of anime, they can't just change plotlines mid-season based on people's reactions. Just as an example, they probably have 75% of the storyboards and scripts for HaCha done already, and the week-to-week work goes into recording and animation.
I'm glad Doki Doki is over so we can stop talking about it. The haters are some of the most retarded posters I've seen in a long time. I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about all season.
That was really good. Both Aikatsu and DokiDoki Precure.
Yeah, they definitely wanted to make her larger than life.
I think that the scene is not that bad if you think of it as a self-purification rather than an outright resurrection though. It's an extreme version of suppressing your own selfishness like every VotW has been doing. That still implies that Mana has inhuman will, but that's been kinda obvious.
The thing is that Toei is a money making corporation, not really an artist. They might have good people working on precure, but ultimately, those people answer to the bottom line. If corporate thinks something needs to change, it has to change soon. Even if their reasoning is flawed or poorly researched.
Shows like these are made on the basis that entertainment can be manufactured and distributed cheaply and easily to a target audience that is easier to predict than most, so they sometimes get arrogant about what exactly they can predict and mess up someone's plan.
i want to lick not-nagisa's salty eyebrows
It's not the fact of it happening that is the problem, so much as the fact that this is exactly the sort of thing you want an explanation for, and they failed utterly. It could have literally been anything. An internal monologue about never giving up, a dream/illusion sequence where Mana wrestles with her selfishness introspectively, etc. Literally anything. But it was just her refilling her heart and purifying it of selfishness after being beaten. It kind of ruined what came after. I didn't mind the legendary Super Mana beating on ProtoJikochuu as a concept, but the asspull resurrection was just bad. I really like Mana and wanted to see her do something that made it seem as though she had to work hard to win, not asspull herself to victory.
>they can't just change plotlines mid-season based on people's reactions
They can, and Toei does it all the time. Look at Kamen Rider Hibiki for a particularly disastrous example. And contrary to what you'd assume, anime episodes aren't completed very far in advance. It's not like they have the whole series or even most of it animated before it airs. They may have everything planned out as far as scripts and plotlines go, but they can change that at any time way before they need to animate the episode.
Oh you Toei.
I loved DokiDoki but I'm still kind of glad it's over. I'll miss the cast but after the last few episodes and the finale which I didn't really like that much I'm just hyped for HaCha.
Man, I'm going to miss Joe a lot. There's no way Blue is going to top mai sweetharto.
Daisuke at least had some presence. I didn't even remember any of those guys in Doki.
I was surprised when Momota said Aniki. Holy fuck, that was gay.
I wonder how far in advance they have to animate episodes though. Live action seems much easier to film in short time than to draw the frames required for an episode.
They probably work up till at least the week before airing. We've noticed differences between the previews and aired episodes before, such as the length of Mana's skirt, or whether Makopi was covered in pee or cum. I don't know what that suggests about the amount of completion of the episode by the week before, but it at least suggests that there is room for changes.
For Toei shows, if a voice actor gets sick, you usually hear the temporary actor about two weeks later.
gb2 being nature's bitch, failipenis trash.
He's just too loyal to his childhood gay crush.
I want to fuck side-ponytail-background girl
I wonder if HaCha will be ultra-straight to compensate, or is gay the symbol of a new era?
In any case, I'll probably give HaCha 5 episodes before deciding to follow weekly or to wait for a marathon unless the intro arc seems longer than that for whatever reason. I can't help but be cautious since it's going to be different and not necessarily in a good way.
I can't believe we know way more about Tokkyuger despite it starting two weeks after Happiness
I had a dream last night in which I was watching HaCha's first episode. MC is in Futari Wa world and she meets with Nagisa and some other characters. About ten years had passed because everyone was older, but Nagisa was still the same. I think an important part of the plot was that those who had been Cures couldn't grow up and lead normal lives.
I don't remember anything else.
Diamond's seiyuu actually
That fucking slut who NTRd Raquel
Are you guys ready for hetero this year ?
I want to honey not-Itsuki's honey.
Is that in purpose?
The art style of the new Precure would be so much more appealing if they didn't have such massive foreheads.
I wonder if Mana and her harem met them after defeating Proto Jikochuu.
If no then Nikaido is more pathetic than Daisuke.
Nice resolution, bitch.
Yuuko confirmed to be best HaCha.
>google image for higher res
Doki is as well as confirmed for the least popular Precure ever.
The plainest charge
>B-but the sales are good!
I don't care about sexual preferences as long as it goes fucking anywhere.
And as a graph, for better comparison.
So suite and doki are the two worst precure huh.
>implying ratings decline has anything whatsoever to do with quality
Get a load of this
From Japanese children' standpoint they probably were.
Well I know doki is pretty much the worst precure. A bit surprising that suite isn't very popular either. That huge downward trend.
There's less children, less children watching and less children watching live each year. This isn't exclusive to Precure, the entire block is going down regardless of what's going on in the shows. You can see there's no dramatic drops anymore, people that want to watch it are watching, it's not like Splash Star where they just crashed the viewership.
And even so, Splash Star crashed the viewership, and it's one of the best. The tastes of the primary audience mean absolutely nothing to me because of that.
Well, apart from Rider which has lots of legacy viewers AFAIR. It's not as bad as Sentai though.
I like how they managed to make the maximum number of character unhappy with this kind of ending.
Someone please post the triple-date message Mana wrote.
Hey guys, should I watch Futari wa or Splash Star first?
This is sorely missing the moment Momota is pushing Nikaido to dance. With him of course, look at those sneering fujos in the back
I can't understand how anyone can have different thoughts about those two Suite pics.
>memory of Smile and remember it as the real last Precure season
What a sad thing to have as a last memory.
Splash is better, it has eyebrows
>same damn exact face sans hairstyle
Every DokiDoki character.
>they can't just change plotlines mid-season based on people's reactions. Just as an example
Oh they can. They surely can.. There's nothing stopping them, not even time constraints.
Oh boy HaCha seems like it's going to be awesome.
Princess confirmed for not Erika, and is it just me or is Lovely hinting there's going to be romance? I want romance back in Precure.
That looks like the worst since Yes!
Futari wa. Both of them are good, but Fw has a turn for the worse with Max Heart, which sucks a lot, so it's better to start with that one. Once/if you manage to finish Max Heart, Splash Start will feel like a godsend to you, believe me.
Why should I watch Max Heart at all then? Isn't the thing with sequels that they aren't required watching? I didn't watch Seed Destiny or the Matrix sequels. Why not just Futari wa?
>SS starting strong
>massive drop after Michiru and Kaoru were put in a coma
It's a miracle they dared do the same with Regina.
I guess this is proof that Tsubomi is going to have a speaking role in NS3.
I still strongly believe they don't even pay her for this, every year when a new All Stars movie is announced she just shows up at Toei's doorstep ready to record lines, even if they never intended to give her any.
I also believe that Nabatame Hitomi will probably be joining her next year.
>I wonder how far in advance they have to animate episodes though. Live action seems much easier to film in short time than to draw the frames required for an episode.
Well, if you want an anime example, look at Saint Seiya Omega. The second half of the first season quickly downplayed some elements that weren't well received by the public (like the whole elemental match up system they had introduced which is immediately sidelined once the battle with the gold saints start - also, Gold Cloths designed later were generally more detailed than Seiya's Sagittarius clothstone, likely another reaction to the complaints).
Not Toei, Gundam SEED also has been confirmed to have had its plot changed in several points due to audience reaction or changes of ideas of the staff (Andy's survival, Dearka joining the three ship alliance because they were attempting to make his Gundam sell better).
The general assumption is that people in these threads watch everything eventually. Personally, I don't think there's a problem with skipping Max Heart. Honestly, I'd say skip Yes 5 and Suite too, if you're not significantly invested in the series.
Because you'd miss the good parts of Max Heart. Things aren't just white or black. With that halfassed attitude of yours I don't think you're gonna be able to enjoy any Precure, since all of them have low points.
>Things aren't just white or black
They're also Shiny Luminous.
I watched all of Macross 7 and found it okay, so I'm pretty sure I could sit through the better seasons of Precure.
Well, this is definitely the most underwhelming finale in the franchise. Bel was a laughingstock until the very end, even in his not!final form, the scale of the fight was puny, the ending with dimensional fusion was purely retarded, as well the character epilogues.
if you just watch Futari wa, you are going to end it with probably the most needlessly depressing ending in the franchises' history, which is one of the only redeeming factors of Max Heart.
>over the top ridiculousness
>what could be the best parody of a Mary Sue if it even were a parody
>ridiculous EVERYTHING in the epilogue
Iunno, I disliked the Smile finale more because it tried too hard, i.e attempted to produce drama and just kind of floundered.
>Once/if you manage to finish Max Heart, Splash Start will feel like a godsend to you, believe me.
SS only made me wish to see Nagisa and Honoka again ;_;.
You can just plain not like it, sure, but underwhelming? It kept turning things up at every possible opportunity. Endless twists.
>Bel's the big bad
>No wait, he's dead, Proto-Selfish
>He's mindbreaking Mana!
>No wait, she's too stronk
>New super mode
>Kick his ass into space and to the bottom of the ocean
>"You are just as Selfish as me!"
>So fucking what, no redemption, just kill him
>Bel's not dead after all
>ANGE IS THOUGH HA HA FUCK SWORD
>Rift remains open, magic becomes commonplace, Precure are superheroes on government call
If anything, it was too overwhelming.
>Bel's not dead after all
>ANGE IS THOUGH HA HA FUCK SWORD
That was the best part.
That and how BK and Joe didn't give a shit about it.
>weak and retarder Big Bad
>Big Bad smaller than some of bigger Jikochuus
>Big Bad not even trying
>no special final attack
>no Ira x Rikka
I will give you
>Bel's not dead after all
>ANGE IS THOUGH HA HA FUCK SWORD
But they're better than them in every conceivable way...
>wanting massive big bads
Those are never good. Never.
Unless the cures also scale up to their size.
Nothing wrong with a human-sized endboss. And he tried, and he wasn't weak. Mana was just too overpowered.
Not him, also haven't watched SS yet, but I can't see how Honoka's voice could be beaten.
>Unless the cures also scale up to their size.
No villain resolution of any kind.
They don't even settle down or anything. They just... leave.
>That and how BK and Joe didn't give a shit about it.
"Hilarious" doesn't even begin to describe it.
It is just my preference. But still, being beaten in three punches is not something I want from a final boss.
It can't. Honoka is not beat.
For me, fights are not about quantity, but quality. There were very few hits, but each one was great.
>They don't even settle down or anything. They just... leave.
Of course. HaCha needs villains after all.
>Sword in my Top10
HELL YEAH, MOTHERFUCKER!
>Rikka on top
BEST GIRL WINS.
>list made entirely of fujoshit and Precure
I don't understand this magazine.
But Sword is very cute.
>little girls vs landwhales
little girls won
Precure is popular with fujoshi, I guess.
Probably what got them into the hobby in the first place.
Precure creates fujoshi.
>Precure creates fujoshi.
I won't accept it. That is definitely the complete opposite of true.
By that logic, shounen shows create stereotypical creepy lolicon otaku.
>Bel's not dead after all
>ANGE IS THOUGH HA HA FUCK SWORD
I'm a huge lolicon reading vn and fapping everyday; what got me into anime was slam dunk, among other things like btx and dragonball. So I guess you have a point.
eh meant to reply to this >>100959245
Honestly, when was the last time a good guy died and stayed dead in Precure?
No, Precure does.
So, overall, how would the show have been if Ace never existed? I feel like that's the point where the show made or broke it for some people
Regina would have become the 5th cure. A definite plus for me.
Well, the ending wouldn't have made any sense.
Well, it still doesn't, but it would make less sense.
Monogamy is a foreign concept to Mana.
It's hardly imaginable, but if Ace never existed, doki would have been even worse.
Scary, I know.
>Honestly, when was the last time a good guy died and stayed dead in Precure?
Well, if we go by deaths in the backstory, like Ange's, we just had Smile's queen, who was basically a similar situation.
The Cures initially thought that their mission was to save her, but she was dead and couldn't be saved all along. Only she didn't have fragment splitting, she just died.
It could work without ace.
The royal gems shall have to be used for something different than for ace's transformation.
Ange=Regina=aguri=Ai will turn into Ange=regina=ai.
Instead of kyupirapa'ing Ace's transformation device, ai just kyupirapas upgrades.
>I don't even know this chick
I guess that's true. But she was less of a character. The Dokis cared a lot more about Ange than the Smiles cared about their queen. We got to see Ange's death on screen, and she chatted with other characters fairly frequently. I honestly forgot Smile's queen even existed.
>The royal gems shall have to be used for something different than for ace's transformation.
>Instead of kyupirapa'ing Ace's transformation device, ai just kyupirapas upgrades.
Or it could have been Regina's transformation device.
I hate that we'll see Ace in every crossover movie forever, but Regina will be forgotten and she'll be lucky to get a miracle light cameo.
Mana a shit
Regina a shit
They're both better than fucking Aguri.
I wanted to see Erika and Regina duke it off in a selfisness-off.
Now I'll get Ako and Aguri in a bitch-off, except I actually like Ako and don't want her to be bitched at.
>liking the worst Mary Sue
Of all the Heisei Riders he'd probably be one of the least suited towards consoling Heart.
Unless he got a lot better.
This reminds me a lot of that ratings slump that happened to Rider in between Hibiki and Kiva before Decade saved it
I would prefer Regina being a villainous not-cure.
Still relevant to the plot, but never being a cure.
Or maybe become one very late in the story.
Example; regina is ange's jikochu.
The cures' goal is to restore the trump kingdom and save Ange.
But if regina is ange's jikochu, will that mean regina will have to die for everyone's sins to get a happy end?
This will create a dilemma.
Be selfish enough to doom a whole kingdom so you can keep your loved one, or make a sacrifice to save the world.
I liked Mana at some point.
I never liked Aguri.
Collarbones charge Precure
That's exactly the dilemma we got with King Selfish. It'd be redundant to do it all over again.
Honoka's voice is only good when she's not fucking whispering. Which is only when she's Cure White, so I can't see how couldn't it be beaten.
Player 14 Lovely is lovely.
>he doesn't want Honoka to whisper
Hiphop remains my favorite design
> Precure fighting game never
The HaCha girls were born in the 21st century.
But it would be a nice throwback or whatever you call that.
The cures are in the same situation as KJ.
The situation that started everything.
Maybe it will end with regina deciding that she loves everyone and sacrifice herself for her father, her friends the world etc.
Power of love deus ex machina saves her if ypu want to keep it kid-friendly.
So were Aguri and Ako.
> you will never feel that Hidamari poka poka ever again
I do like how Doki's ending either intentionally or unintentionally ties in very easily to HapCha's setting.
If that actually was intentional I'll be impressed
Well, Aguri was literally born last year.
Make Ai fill Aguri's role in the two-half thing (and somehow make her grow so she can fulfil it).
They'd need to bring Regina back earlier to give the show some substance, though.
So it would be better.
I didn't watch last ep yet, and don't have time to because of exams, did Bel reset the universe?
Universe reset Bel.
I'm expecting something like the post-Double continuity. Technically there, relevant in the new style of crossover movie, but not largely influential in the shows themselves.
Those abrupt voice tone changes annoyed me a lot. Sue me.
Well I guess if it's good it'll be a good omen for the century.
KYUA HEART DESU
If they wanted to do that they would need some more substantial Precure movies.
Unless the next one really is Cure vs. Cure
>Unless the next one really is Cure vs. Cure
That'll never happen.
>[Commie] Dokidoki! Precure - 49 [912ECA30].mkv
Well, they're phasing out the New Stage naming for a reason. I don't think it's too far-fetched to have Current x Previous movies. Super Sentai and Rider do it without being significantly restricted - you still have "All Riders" thrown in sometimes, and the new Kyoryuger movie has the old dinosaur teams. So it's not like they'd have to abandon Black, White, Passion, and Heart.
Well, you made me check.
On the bright side, the raw is out, so I'll be re-watching with that.
What? It's out.
I don't know, given the ending, Regina has a fair chance of showing up in crossovers.
They kinda made a point of Regina not being in the team exclusively for the big bad. And they've also started to include her in whole-team merchandise.
Precure will finally have its own version of "The Kamen Riders, and Shin".
Well damn. Should have refreshed one more time, I guess.
She got the best dance forms.
as long as she fights
they might make her wave miracle lights or something
Not even New-Age-Ace-Trolling-Toei would have kept her out of NS3 promotional material this long if she was in that one. Maybe she's in the next one, but I doubt it.
Well, not even Honey has been showing in everything, has she?
She didn't show up in any PV either.
>airco: And on that day, we agreed to never sub a 50 episode children’s show again.
I don't care as long as my favorite seiyuu is in it
Aw. Guess raw wil be the only option for HaCha.
They were better than Doremi at least.
Gah. Fucking hell. I LIKED the commie subs.
This. Unless Doremi gets an editor that actually edits.
There are people here that are willing to edit, they just seem opposed to taking on more staff.
That's pretty pathetic and circlejerky as fuck.
You know, it would be totally better if we could set it up on IRC instead of catching each other in the thread.
Well, they've had mostly the same staff for several years now, haven't they? I imagine they're a close circle of friends by now.
Set up what? /pc/ editing efforts? I don't much see how IRC would help.
>I don't much see how IRC would help.
I'd basically be able to discuss things with multiple people at once instead of having to compile fixlists for example?
For the most part it's just Ladholyman and Maceart who have been friends in real life for ages.
I want discharge my happiness into Yuuko.
I thought they were brothers.
Ha ha, they subbed the trailer.
They probably lied about not doing it.
Why is Heart such a slut?
Are you going to open up a steam next week too? I don't want Justin to ruin the first episode for me.
Probably, but I think I should find a better place than livestream.
Twitch should be fine if we don't make too much noise.
But I need to sing along the OPs and EDs, I can't do it quietly.
If I were to watch a season of Precure, would it be best to watch all of the earlier seasons too?
My entire experience with Precure involves watching the first episode of Smile and the last few minutes of an English dubbed episode of Futari wa Pretty Cure when I saw it on TV once.
I haven't translated the last episode yet, but if any of you want to edit the last episode and any potential future episodes, shoot me an email. It'll be just like DLQCT again back in 2005 for Mai-Otome.
We're twin brothers.
I'd be easier to watch HaCha along with us since it airs next week. You can watch the earlier seasons on your own time.
That would be lovely. You really saved last night for me, though I was hoping the actual episode would have been better.
That was fun. Doesn't Twitch has a chat too though?
Watch whatever you like the look of, some people might recommend you start with HeartCatch, or Smile if you're new to magical girls.
It's always good to watch whats airing too so you can keep up with live discussions.
Also, there is nothing stopping you from skipping any season, unless you want to get the most out of the crossover movies.
>shoot me an email.
Not saying you won't get offers, but that's an easy way for people to expect someone else/better will offer and feel like they don't need to.
Alice's mom was alive?
Okay. I might start then. Thanks.
I'm not expecting to watch the old seasons any time soon, then, or at least not all of them, because I want to finish Pretty Rhythm first and I don't tend to like watching shows that are multiple hundreds of episodes long.
Is there a list of preferred seasons or something if I do want to try out some? I think I like Doki Doki's art style.
And wasn't Rikka's dad in Machu Pichu right before?
sometimes twitch ban non-games streams, be careful
Futari wa and HeartCatch are the suggested starting points along with whatever season is currently airing. Doki wasn't bad but people were pretty split on it.
Heartcatch and Splashstar are probably the two most well regarded around here but every season gets some love except for maybe the 2 sequel seasons.
>Is there a list of preferred seasons or something
Not really. Tastes vary wildly here. The only mostly-accepted thing is that Max Heart is the worst one. Most seasons have strong fans and strong detractors.
If you like the look of one, give it a shot. Dokidoki was great, and it's a great place to start.
Follow your heart (heh) and watch Doki if you're interested in it. I started with Heartcatch, then went to FW. After that, I watched the All Stars movies to see which of teams interested me the most/least and watched their seasons accordingly.
Did you miss episode 47?
Ace was planned from the beginning. Regina came later in the pipeline, and reworked Ace to fit the story. This sounds counter-intuitive since Regina appears first in the show. I think it was from an interview or a magazine clip, but I forgot the source.
Rikka's dad is Aizen, he never was in machu picchu
It seems that Heartcatch is well-regarded in general.
From a small bit of reading I've done, it's pretty dark, at least in relation to the other seasons. Is that true?
Also, thanks for the suggestions!
Even the sequel seasons.
There's those crazy people who claim it's better to watch GoGo before Yes and that it's better overall.
You know, I know that the villains simply leaving is controversial, but after all of the forced purifications the second era has had (HC: Oh, the generals are all VotW. Suite: These generals were the three musketeers! Smile: Fairies for all!), I thought it was nice that they simply faded into the shadows, biding their time until it was time for evil to rise again. The thing with Ira was a dick move, but it felt that the villains simply couldn't fight fate like the Precure. Bel tried, but alas, evil is suffering.
No, all the seasons have some darker moments.
Ace herself, Ace's role or just her design? Regina/Ange could have fulfilled a few of thos epoints.
Ace the Precure since they have to make the toys and merch very early to arrive on time. The character details can be changed without affecting the toys.
Well duh, of course she'd be designed before Regina.
But it's just ridiculously easy to remove Aguri and Ace as a character. You just need someone else to transform into Ace, and we had three powerful candidates right there.
Joe's taking this pretty well.
God I felt bad for him. He got screwed out of his woman and then had a shit ton of responsibility thrown on him as the new president.
He just traded in his old wife for three girls instead. Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Seriously though, I wasn't expecting the Ange thing to end like this.
He knows he can raise Ai into his dream woman.
Well, she has been gone for a while, not to mentioned that he learned that Ange died a few episodes ago. Still a fast mourning period, I suppose.
>She's Megumi's school friend.
>Her family owns a bento caterers business.
That's what I can infer.
Well, that was a weird ending to Doki kind of. Guess it was interesting that both worlds stayed connected and the girls kept being precures to help people. That was pretty different I suppose. Although that whole final battle was so shit. King Jikochu was certainly quite the QUALITY main villain and was defeated by Mana Sue without much struggle or even a feeling of impending doom. Was almost too silly.
It sounded like they just didn't put much thought into it.
Just like the jikochuu trio thing.
I didn't think it would end like that with her either. Actually I thought it was pretty fucking weird how she appeared in the sky talking to them. That didn't make any sense considering how she's divided up into 3. How was she even talking when that Ange doesn't exist anymore? Oh well.
I think it was crystal shenanigans before.
Though, honestly, did we ever even get an explanation for the whole fake Ange in an ice coffin?
She's been talking through Ai chan in the crystal mirror, so I assumed the same mechanism was working there.
Aguri said that it was an illusion to trick the Jikochuu. Well, it worked.
Delicious petal skirt.
Yeah, sure. But where did Ange find the time to even make that thing?
It worked so well it fooled the royal crystals and put Regina out of her trance.
That's the point where the story rewriting gets more obvious.
That's how the entire episode felt to me. I mean, I liked some things but overall I'm pretty disappointed.
That was pretty silly. I mean, even if they used Ai to let her speak or something it's still pretty silly unless they were like, channeling her ghost or something.
We got a Gainax ending! No Precure ending, past or future, will ever top this.
Davi did mention that it was impossible. Usually, there would be some deus ex machina to revive her, though I suppose the fact that there wasn't one was the twist.
Ah well, at least the Trump King is living it up with two cute daughters and an early retirement. I'd hate to be a political leader in an extremely shaky transition period, poor Joe.
Joe is just a Yotsuba Corp puppet.
The royal crystals were all in on it. Those sneaky bastards.
Really though, their purpose was so vague though. Why did create a miracle correlate to finding Ange anyways?
Oh, right, I totally mistranslated that. She's totally a dude.
I thought that was pretty obvious. Fucking Alice buying up all their products and company blimps everywhere. TRUMP, YOU WERE TOO LATE. IT'S OVER. ASSIMILATION NOW.
Why does Cure Ace not have huge tits? I know that Ange was flat, but the "growing up" theme should allow Aguri to really become an adult.
Yes Ace would have looked a million times better like that
Shit writing. I mean really. It was so painfully obvious they were just making it up as they went along on more than one occasion. Oh well, I would hope no one cares too much about story in precure.
It be happening
Oh hey, Love thread
Furufuru ippai-ppai romance for HaCha, hopefully.
I'm so mad those two did not get any kind of resolution. Fuck you Toei.
Sounds about right.
>I suppose the fact that there wasn't one was the twist.
True. I was honestly just expecting Mana to do some asspull. Using the power of love to bring back Ange without sacrificing the girls.
Also, the funniest part of the episode was when ProtoJK tried taking her heart away and for a second it seemed like something really cool might happen and then after the commercial break it just returned.
If it was a real growing up theme she would have taken some dick and then cried afterwards in regret for her first time being awful.
More rich girls should try to capitalize magical worlds. Gotta toss that primitive feudal economic system out the window.
I like how the the whole of Earth, or at least Japan, changed its status quo because of the events in Doki Doki.
Didn't they end up being part of Ace's transformation item? It would make sense if they were supposed to thaw Ange and be used by her to transform.
Well, the original text doesn't make any reference to gender.
But there's no way it's a boy anyway. I don't see from where this bad joke is coming from.
Nigga I don't even edit my own papers at uni and I do just fine.
No I don't. Don't ever slack off in school, kids.
I've taken back what I was.
I like how the Dokis are now literally super heros.
Because flat is justice.
There's bad rumor saying that Sagara (Megumi's childhood friend) is crossdressing as Yuuko.
The psyche even bitchslapped him, just to mock the villain.
I'm glad it's over for the second time in a row.
God, please let HaCha go back to the franchise roots and a more classical approach as well.
I miss Regina
Mana Sue til the end.
Just curious, how is doing doki doki on ratings? Is bombing hard like the rest of the SHT slot?
>and a more classical approach as well.
If you've read any info about HapCha you should knnow that like everything about it seems like it'll be different
>and a more classical approach as well.
A more classical approach would have them transforming into adults. Or there not being any combat at all, and it just being a slice of life with magic.
What a strange ending.
That's just because /u/ has settled into the NO BOYS ALLOWED routine and get upset when the show tries to add good characters.
Am I the only one that thinks the new precure designs look ugly and low detail? Reminds me of Fresh. I can already imagine the QUALITY that's to come.
Nah, the classical approach was dead with Fresh, and it's going to be spat on in the third era.
>Leva and Gula
RIP in peace
Finding Ange was supposedly the first miracle. Then they retooled the story and retconed the popsicle as just a decoy.
Regina at the top, just as it should be.
It does, it's trying different things of course, but so far it doesn't seem like it's going to a extremes like both Smile and Doki.
What's Makopi got to be happy about?
I'm sure they simply returned to the darkness.
whats going on here?
Doki is in the 4-5 as is Kyoryuger, but I don't know about Gaim.
>Using the power of love to bring back Ange without sacrificing the girls
Maybe if she gave half a shit.
Smile went to extremes?
I'm glad it's over
>tries to add good characters.
That's debatable. Little boys can be really annoying sometimes. It's why I can't stand PR.
Kyoryu is on 3-4. Gaim is around 4-5
I thought SS was 2-4? KR should be higher than Precure though.
PR is bad because it is drama central, no boys wouldn't change that.
The extreme of having absolutely no plot.
The mecha made out of the souls of past Precure was kind of cool if completely out of nowhere, but did it really have to be in CG? And dance too?
She's got friends and an international singing career.
She's completely empty inside, she's only smiling because that's what idols do.
Smile and Doki are the same shit in that both went to the extreme of whatever they proposed to do and be.
Fresh had many times more detail.
>Gaim is around 4-5
No, Gaim is around 5-6.
第01話…6.4％ 第02話…5.6％ 第03話…5.0％ 第04話…5.2％ 第05話…6.7％
第06話…6.3％ 第07話…5.8％ 第08話…5.4％
That's an euphemism for death.
>Urobuchi saving the ratings
At this rate they will hire him for Precure and Sentai too.
Any kind of character can be annoying, you don't like little boys because you're jelly you're not this cute.
Why? Why did it have to be this way? Why only MakoP? Why!?
What have you learned from the past 48 episodes?
It's how HapCha works, you either love it or you hate it.
He's a bigger Rider fan than those two. It was his dream to write for Rider and now he's doing it. If anything Gaim is saving the sales though, they are the highest they've had in a while.
So Mana's in the top 5 for single character strength, right? Possibly even the strongest, right?
They've dropped a full point from Wizard.
That's actually lower than Wizard and Fourze
If I could meet Doki staff I'd ask them why did they got so fixated on shitting on Makoto at every possible chance.
She has borrowed strenght from four other cures, it's not the same.
If we don't count Infinity Tsubomi, I'd say she's on top. She's equal to Splash Star by herself.
Infinity Silhouette is too big for Smash Bros.
The Sword line makes me laugh every time.
Super Mana is still greater than the sum of the five in Wing Mode. The Wing Mode super move didn't do anything at all to Proto-Selfish, but Super Mana was many levels above him. That extr strength had to come from somewhere.
I kinda want to see him making Precure. Just to see what else he could do with mahou shoujo.
In spite of all the Mana hype, the scale of the show really didn't get that big. Splash Star should be above her, and I'd even put the final form Smiles above her too.
They never really got to planetary level destruction here.
Honoka can defeat Mana
Don't forget the three treasures.
>She's equal to Splash Star by herself.
Good one m8
Any end-game Smile is stronger than end-game Mana.
Even Nagisa and Honoka are stronger than end-game Mana.
>That extr strength had to come from somewhere.
>Don't forget the three treasures.
Man PR is on it's 5th season right?
That has to be doing something right, I gotta watch that even if it is relationship drama
Toy sales are a Bandai thing, they create the year gimmick and the staff has to adapt to it. Shinkenger gave a slightly rise to sentai ratings but the toy sales was lackluster while Gokaiger toys were hits
It's because of Regina's spear.
No, 4th season starts in April. And they're going to bring back cast from the first 3 to do it.
Ahahaha, what the fuck? Is it really happening?
I can't wait for this for real
Forgot to say Gokaiger got terrible ratings
The 4th season starts in spring.
I want that smile to protect me.
Right, she's four cures plus three treasures. Also, it's the combined strength in a single hit. Multiple low level hits don't hit as hard as one kick with the combined force of all in one.
Gokaiger had the earthquake though.
No, I think Fourze was at like the low 4% average
>Sword didn't help in the least
holy shit my sides
>stronger than the Big Bang
Infinity Silhouette can't hug its way out of this one.
Fourze was at 5,8% and Wizard 5,9% in the end. Gaim's average so far is lower, but it's a good sign that the ratings actually seem higher than in the first few episodes.
They meant a big gangbang, they just didn't tell Mana.
What. Didn't notice that statement while watching raw.
They really did a bad job showing that off.
I see Doki's staff's been watching Omega lately.
Long term ratings for SS/KR/PC
Joe is a fucking buffoon. Like he knows how powerful the bigbang was.
Besides, Mana might have soloed P-KJ but he was one of the least threatening final bosses in precure.
Man, what was it about Fresh and HC that made them so popular after GoGo?
Whatever it was, they need to get something like that again
>RED, TAKE OUR POWER, WE'LL DIE BUT THE EARTH WILL BE SAVED
>NO GUYS, WE DO THIS AS A TEAM!
>MANA MANA MANA MANA MANA MANA
>MANA MANA fuckyousword MANA
You mean Speedwagon.
Why did everything rise when heartcatch aired? That must have been a good year for everything.
What about all the stuff she blocked without breaking a sweat, kicking proto-Jikochuu so hard he put him on orbit. Or splitting a concentrated beam from a city-upturning monster with a single kick?
If she had done any more, she'd have erased Japan.
You know what's kind of unintentionally kind of good about this is that we really can't make fun of SS for being so unpopular anymore
CG dancing. Don't worry, Toei's on it.
Huh, SS used to be relatively even with Precure and KR was always higher.
If manhandling the final boss is big bang-tier in Doki then I guess the HC, Suite, Smile teams are stronger than Mana. They all manhandled their respective final boss.
MANA WINS LOL
>Shortly after Goseiger
>Alright, that worked last time, but this time, not only will we ALL have to sacrifice ourselves, it won't even really beat the bad guys.
>Let's DO IT
You'd think bringing back the HC director would be the answer to that.
Everybody loved Heartcatch when it aired man. It was like close to perfect everything.
Also, I think this is gonna sound "cuh-razy" but I get this feeling that the more fights a season has, the better the ratings are.
We could have claimed that with Suite if ratings were the issue. The real issue was toy sales. AiPad sales seem to be going well.
The only logical conclusion is that Dokidoki's final boss is stronger.
The entire surface of the world got wiped out in Smile's finale. If they wanted to show off the power of a big bang, they really should have been blowing up planets or something at least.
That's why I liked the HC movie so much. It was Tsubomi-centric with a side of Moonlight but fuck if I did not love how they all were there fighting Dragon-Salamander at the end, even fucking Coppe.
That's what they're doing for HaCha. Plus the Yes5 writer coming in as well.
>Everybody loved Heartcatch when it aired man. It was like close to perfect everything.
That makes sense to me, but I meant the ratings of the things airing at the same time. Were more kids watching SHT just because Heartcatch would be on? I guess that would work.
Someone get this guy a job at Toei. He might be onto something.
Hopefully Narita will be on whatever he was when he wrote Yes! 5 and gives us some excellent team dynamics and balanced roles and screentime.
But blowing up the earth is the villain's job, not the Precure's. it's already too much that she let a good portion of the city to be destroyed after a blocked punch.
It looked like Heart was restraining herself.
Except he looks like a wimp and fights like one.
Noise in his pii form could take him on.
World destruction is nothing new to Precure. They'd been doing it for a long while before Smile. Mana's just so competent that the big bad never got a chance this time. He was ranting about how he'd erase the entire universe until Mana smacked him down.
That year SHT was Shinkenger-W-Heartcatch. Toei would give their right ball to have as much success ratings-wise again.
>Plus the Yes5 writer coming in as well.
Damn I hope the romance is even better than in Yes5.
I am digging the perma-blushing Alice
HC aired along with >Goseiger and the last half of W, so it did have some help from W, though I don't think Goseiger did them any favors.
That fucking year
>Man, what was it about Fresh and HC that made them so popular after GoGo?
Two words: One Piece. One Piece stole all the A teams from Precure after Heartcatch was over because One Piece is a bigger property still. One might wonder how much of an A team Narita-Nagamine are considering Saint Seiya Omega S2 is a complete piece of shit but I guess just nobody cares about Omega.
>One Piece stole all the A teams from Precure after Heartcatch was over because One Piece is a bigger property still.
They did? If they did it doesn't show because the OP anime is a quality ridden with awful pacing piece of shit.
This isn't a fucking novel, they should show things instead of just telling us. If he's strong let us see it. Otherwise he doesn't seem like a threat.
>it'll have action that won't lose to shounen anime
>One Piece stole all the A teams
Why is Suite the only series with a BD encode? Smile has a BD release too.
>it's already too much that she let a good portion of the city to be destroyed after a blocked punch.
Thing is, just look at the shockwave of one of Pierot's attacks in Smile. Proto Jikochu really didn't show anything close.
For anyone who cares and wants to edit.
This pic will never get old.
I don't have that one Smoker pic on me but if I did I'd post it.
It's hard to do a good job when even the source material is shit.
Smile is pretty enough already. Suite needs all the advantages it can get to not be horrendously ugly.
B-But he could do it it's just that MANa is so strong he didn't let him! MANa confirmed for da best!
Smile has a BD rip by a group called FLsnow. I believe it's on Nyaa but if not, google share dmhy
Because no one cares enough about Smile to rip-it and encode it and all that crap.
BDs too expensive?
I don't know. You'd think a popular show such as precure would get BDrips.
If you had either read or watched One Piece, you'd actually understand instead of just thinking you understand.
Yes5 has one too
Kamen Rider Decade gave a boost of popularity to the SHT slot. It was followed by W, another rider with high ratings. Shinkenger aired together with Decade and W, so it increased sentai's ratings. Goseiger got pretty good ratings under modern standards, its problem was the toy sales. Things started to losing steam with OOO and Gokaiger didn't turn into sentai's Decade, so the SHT fell into obscurity
Maybe because DokiDoki actually tried to be entertaining.
Why is it always Pierrot, anyways? Dark King, Gouyan and even Dune managed much more.
Fucking little girls not ripping and uploading their BDs.
Then my theory makes perfect sense. GoGo, Fresh, and Max Heart will surely follow.
You know what fucked up SHT was the earthquake. It just wasn't the same after that.
Because the people arguing have only seen Smile and Doki, they have no frame of reference.
Overwhelming the main villain in three punches is NOT entertaining in my books.
It probably killed or displaced a good percentage of their viewers.
My cousin and his imouto ended up moving in with one of our relatives in Toronto, and I know they got off lucky.
Obscurity is a bit much, ratings aren't insanely bad and stuff like the Gaburevoler can still sell well.
More than making the last three episodes happen in a wasteland with nothing to do but shoot beams at the big bad.
You can feel the earthquake just by watching Suite.
Holy shit how much did Siren shake, how the bickering got buried and the fairy tones surfaced.
>ratings aren't insanely bad
They're for sentai. Rider and Precure can do much better just a couple of years ago.
>and stuff like the Gaburevoler can still sell well.
And Bandai's marketing department deserve a medal or something but that doesn't change kids prefer watching dry paint than sentai
I agree. CQC is what makes a season for me. Smile finale was atrocious too, btw.
>Smile and Fourze where super comedic
>They both were followed by Doki and Wizard who were super serious
>Go-Busters was super serious
>Followed by Kyoryuger which is super comedic
What Toei needs to do is stop going back and forth with all it's shows, settle down, and fucking do something somewhat balanced for once.
Look at Gaim, shit is serious as fuck and yet it's comedic moments are golden as well.
Will Doki be the most infamous Precure season?
Please do not bully sword
I'll always mantain that considering all the shit went through Suite still managed to be amazingly decent and consistent. You can feel the earthquake, sure, but even with that they managed to connect everything in a way that everything still makes sense.
That's bullshit. Gokaiger made 6% on its debut and it maintained high number for a couple of episodes but Japan left when they realized their favorite senshis wouldn't do shit in favor of the new guys. The sentai fanbase had a boner every week watching the references and all that crap but the average Japanese viewer just felt bored and apathetic while kids couldn't connect with the show.
I'm watching Doki right now and so far all it is is beamspam as well, back and forth.
>Not under our watch!
Not on out watch!
For all the shit he gets, Urobuchi actually knows what he's doing when he writes.
And he probably gives more shits about it than many Toei writers, which probably helps too.
Friendly reminder that Gentarou was Mana done right.
>We need to create something fun and simple
>Oh fuck, fun and simple didn't work (but it still sold toys), let's create something more serious
>Wait, this is even worse (and in KR's case it didn't sell toys either)
It's hard to do that with Sentai because its ratings haven't bee that good in years, but Go-Busters was just not going to work with the audience they wanted and I don't know why they went with it, though I did like it.
Because Gaim isn't written by someone who only works on children's shows.
And edgy writer and a silly premise.
>A story full of love and courage!
>I want it full of friendship and love, too!
Change the second "love" ("koi") to "romance"?
Gaim may become the rider show with the lowest ratings ever. Urobutcher just can't understand the world outside Akihabara.
>yet it's comedic moments are golden
Some of the stuff is fine. But they did some dumb over-exaggerations like Bravo's eye popping or Gaim's motorcycle falling.
If I were new to Precure and presented with all the seasons without any time frame of reference, I'd think the earthquake happened during DokiDoki rather than Suite.
Smile's last few episodes kind of stand out in a discussion like this because they actually showed the destruction visually, not just talked about it.
Wizard had comic relief only characters and used main cast members for humor too. It was hardly super serious. Same goes to Go-Busters, with the Buddyroids.
Go-Busters did not do well because it was not serious, it did not well because it had no fucking toys to buy. Collectible are practically a necessity nowadays and Go-Busters had none.
Are you retarded or just blind that you somehow are missing the current conversation that ratings are in a all-time low for every damn thing?
>Wizard had comic relief only characters and used main cast members for humor too.
And it fucking fell flat on it's face because of that. It's not even bad, just a big ball of mediocre.
No you wouldn't. Doki dropped a few tenths of a point. Suite dropped more than a full point after a history of 6+ ratings. Smile followed Suite and Doki logically dipped a little.
Gaim should be even more Looney Tunes.
People here are treating Urobutcher as the savior of rider but the ratings are still getting lower
You realize he's speaking about the series itself, pacing and all that, instead of ratings-wise, right?
>Any girl who has the conviction to protect others can become Precure.
Again, this decline in ratings has nothing to do with the actual content of the shows. Kid viewership is still pretty high. People just aren't watching television. 2009 was probably the last big popularity explosion.
It's theoretized that normally collected ratings also don't actually reflect the true viewership because of various DVR and rental services.
I was talking about the actual show, not numbers and graphs.
And toy sales, aka the shit that matters the most in the end, are stronger than ever.
>They redraw every episode
But the show is good and the toys are selling.
>Gaim may become the rider show with the lowest ratings ever.
Hey, it's coming from the two lowest rated series ever, that'd be hardly a big surprise. The ratings have shown some growth though so far, so there's a chance that it could recover by the end.
Really, I'd blame Gaim's slow start on the toy theme. It might be turning out well for Bandai, but I'm sure a lot of the casual audience turned off just by looking at the concept of "fruit Riders" and never gave the show a chance.
Remember, Mana is the only Cure that matters or is able to do something by herself.
You're damn right.
>6 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes
>People here are treating Urobutcher as the savior of rider
That's because the story isn't complete shit and the toys are selling, both the opposite of Wizard
And Michiru and Kaoru
IS IT SATURDAY YET?
They're not on Fourze grounds yet, not even close to it.
I bet this guy who keeps trying to shit on Gaim has not even watched it and just does it because of Urobuchi.
It obviously ALSO has to do with the quality. While a regular drop is inevitable, you would think that a good show would be able to at least maintain the previous work rating instead of dropping.
Look at what happened with Fresh and HC. Are you saying Japan had two years of wild baby-making and thus the rates got higher?
>Hang on to your heart strongly!
>Don't hand over your Psyche!
>I finally got the Precure's Psyche!
>Now the world is mine!
>Please, everyone. Lend me your powers.
>We grant our powers to Cure Heart!
>Cure Heart Parthenon Mode!
>Let me pull out that huge Psyche inside you with my own two hands!
I just remembered remember when we all thought we would get Jikochuu Rikka? That would have been so cool
Gee I wonder if that's because Fourze is over and has more accurate sales data
>>Let me pull out that huge Psyche inside you with my own two hands!
Man, even fucking Sazae-san and Doraemon ratings are in all time lows. It's not a Precure-only thing, it's a national issue. People just simply don't watch as much TV as before.
>Kid viewership is still pretty high.
Not for sentai. In fact, kids stopped watching sentai with gobus and they didn't return with Kyoryu despite Toei sold it as the anti-gobus
>People just aren't watching television
That's bullshit. While it's true that TV viewership has getting lower on Japan, none other timeslot has suffered such a dramatic falling like the SHT slot. If that was the only problem, J-dramas and other shows would be unable to reach double digits.
The Kyoryu/Wizard movie underperformed in the B.O. even for SHT standards and shows like Ohranger and Go-inger have proven that high ratings aren't necesary to have high toy sales.
Urobutcher didn't make the toys, not even chose the gimmick. Go to worship Bandai's employees
Long term kids ratings.
So maybe people are just fucking tired of the format?
Don't even attempt to give me the bullshit that all shows in 00s were better because they weren't.
>Yes5 writer coming
This is excellent to hear. Best thing about Yes5 was how focused on the cures and their relationships with one another it was.
I'd say shit like this has more of an impact than Pierrot.
>So maybe people are just fucking tired of the format?
Well, Gaim finally dropped the two-parter format and went back to the early-Heisei format. Look at how well it's being received.
I assume this is the same reason HaCha is gonna be the 3rd era. Shake up shit a bit so that people get interested again.
Oh fuck, I just realized the writer of the whole series is based Narita. I actually am looking forward to this now
You have the title translated differently from her attack call.
Fourze is the all-time high for toy sales. It's not even due to the show, it has by far the greatest toys in the franchise.
>A country located somewhere on Earth, the Blue Sky kingdom, is under attack by the Phantom Empire, which is led by the evil Queen Mirage. News teams all over the world broadcast and report on the fight between the Precure and the evil Saiark that have been rampaging on every continent. The term "Precure" has become a common thing known to everyone around the world. The legendary warriors known as Precure fight to protect both the Blue Sky kingdom and the rest of the Earth!
>The princess of the Blue Sky kingdom, Hime Shirayuki, is entrusted with the mission of fighting against the Saiark as one of the Precure. The one who has entrusted her with this mission is none other than the God of the Earth who resides in the Blue Sky kingdom; Blue. However, Hime is too scared to fight against the Saiark even when she transforms into a Precure! As the Saiark invade the kingdom, Hime flees from the fight and escapes to Japan. Blue urges Hime to seek out new Precure comrades and entrusts her with the 'Crystal of Love', which will lead her to the one that will become her partner.
>Hime doesn't know what to do with this item and ends up throwing it while shouting, "The person hit by this will be my friend!" The girl who ends up being hit by the Crystal of Love is Megumi Aino! While Megumi is in the shopping district, she meets Hime on a bridge but a Saiark appears and begins to attack! Hime suddenly transforms into Cure Princess and Megumi's urge to help Hime, who is in trouble, allows her to become Cure Lovely! Together, they defeat the Saiark and learn that if they collect all the PreCards they will have their wishes granted.
>Together, along with the fairy known as Ribbon, they protect the world by transforming, attacking, and using the power of Form Change! With the theme of dressing-up that all girls love, a new and different story about Precures begins!
This sounds extremely ambitious somehow
No, format at large, not small details like two parters or whatever.
>Mana Deference Force is already dead after 1 day
Goes to show Doki was even worse than Smile I guess.
>Hime runs away from the fight
How could she!?
>Hime doesn't know what to do with this item and ends up throwing it while shouting, "The person hit by this will be my friend!" The girl who ends up being hit by the Crystal of Love is Megumi Aino!
>This sounds extremely ambitious somehow
That's not news.
They are bringing an A team.
A team VAs too.
It's the anniversary season.
It's been called the beginning of the 3rd era akin to Fresh being the beginning of the 2nd era.
The people in charge are nervous of how it's gonna be received.
Who's ready for Mana to out-power Black and White in NS3?
>people even pretending to know how Toei operates
>people attempting to use sales data to make a quality argument
I can't wait until all the shit is flooded with pink Hapicha hype.
OOO was the all times high, actually, but Fourze was right behind it. The OOO/Fourze year was the year with highest toy sales for the franchise.
>Hime gives her love to Megumi
>people actually acknowledging Smile's ending episodes existing
Please don't. That shit was so insulting with how they just blatantly copied from that one DX movie even down to the frame shots.
THEY WOULDN'T LIE, RIGHT?
No seriously... "I am a REAL Princess that's why I call myself Cure Princess" is fishy even by Sunday Morning cartoon standards.
I swear if she becomes "the (new) face of the franchise" I'm dropping precure. I don't even like the FWs that much, but having Mana would be beyond insulting.
>Some time has passed, and everyone starts a new life.
Verb tense agreement.
>Baaaaaaaaw stop talking and discussing!
Yeah, because Doki vs Smile shitposting and crap like that is a better way to use up the thread right? Fuck off.
It's the season of (romantic) love after all! Princess said so herself!
She's surely the Decade to Black and White's Rider 1 and 2.
>I swear if she becomes "the (new) face of the franchise"
If you honestly think that will happen then you are absolutely retarded.
One thing I can at least say about Doki that I can appreciate.
The threads may have had times of bad and shit, but they never got to the level of the threads from when Smile was airing, remember in the middle? The Dark Times?
What you want the discussion to be:
>This season got 0.1% less on average and that's why it suuucks!
What it should be:
>I didn't like this season because of this and this and this didn't work quite well I thought
Discussion is fine, vain speculation is akin to useless noise.
>I'm still far from your level.
>Hey now, you're the president now.
The first line should include Jun calling Mana President.
>"I am a REAL Princess that's why I call myself Cure Princess" is fishy even by Sunday Morning cartoon standards.
According to this >>100967447 she is but might as well not be. She fucking sucks at her job.
why did doki doki remove them, anyway? hc had the seeds, suite the notes and smile the useless trinkets.
They used the word "koi". Not "ai", "koi'.
Well, they used "ai" too but "koi was specifically used too
This crystal of mine is burning with an awesome power!
RAVU RAVU TENKYOKEN!
Why would Mana be the Decade of the franchise? That doesn't make sense
she's a smart girl
hacha has the cards
Exactly. Lovely says it's a story about love (ai), courage and kindness. Princess says not to forget friendship and romantic love (koi).
Because she ruined it, I guess? Makes sense.
CURE JOESTAR IS REALLY HAPPENING!
Ai is like the word for love in general. Koi is specifically used for romantic love
She's jesus-tier hacked, her design is reminiscent, and she's the lead of the show leading up to the new era.
DD also had the... fuck, what were they called?
Loveads or something?
Ignore him and his fucktarded paranoina.
Mana will be forgotten in 2 years. By the time of the series after HaCha airs I'll be surprised if any Doki gets to talk in that year crossover movie.
"Hime, this Saiark is huge, what do we do?"
"Don't worry Megumi, I have a secret plan that even they won't expect!"
"What is it?"
"WE'RE GETTING THE HECK OUT OF HEREEEEEE
I'm so glad Doki is over.
I've never felt so disgusted watching a children's TV show before.
Take all of my money.
>I guess in the end you still depend on us, Mana.
HC talked in both NS1 and 2.
I'll pray every night before going to sleep for that to happen.
>I've never felt so disgusted watching a children's TV show before.
Digimon Adventure 02
But he made them work. That's his accomplishment. Somehow they make sense in the story and they are used in creative ways. A leser writer would have tripped over it monumentally.
>HC talked in both NS1 and 2.
Because they are actually really popular
Paranoia? I fucking love Decade.
Decade, stop posting. Please.
Everyone talkes in NS2.
Nana Mizuki recently blogged about NS3.
HC is HC. You can't really compare them.
Nana Mizuki creams herself for any chance to voice Tsubomi and Erika is one of the most popular Cures in the franchise.
Even then, in NS2 Sunshine and Moonlight did not speak.
You also have to considering there will be more Cures by then. More Cures = Less chance for previous Cures to talk.
This is also without taking into account that for some miracle of god the crossover movie for the series after HaCha is only current x previous instead of the mass clusterfucks we got now.
Ayup. Big claims. As big or bigger as the "won't lose out to shounen anime" ones.
...that girl has something to prove. Brace for mood swings and extremes.
>With the theme of dressing-up that all girls love, a new and different story about Precures begins!
DOES THAT MEAN WE GET MORE DIFFERENT CIVVIE OUTFITS?
They pretend the DX movie didn't exist instead. Or the Yes 5 movie for that matter.
Nagisa, Honoka, Fresh, HC, Suite, Smile, Doki... everyone!
Listening through Fresh's OST, it had a lot of really good music. Maybe that's where the budget that didn't go to writing went?
>Everyone talkes in NS2.
Yeah, remember those lines the SS had
or any Fresh that wasn't Passion?
or Moonlight and Sunshine
or any Suite that wasn't Beat
Such great dialogue
>that for some miracle of god the crossover movie for the series after HaCha is only current x previous
You forgot Y5
>DOES THAT MEAN WE GET MORE DIFFERENT CIVVIE OUTFITS?
We're supposed to get disguises outside of just battle costumes. It's an old mahou shoujo mainstay.
You know, with the initial scene, I thought only those two would talk and Shiny Luminous would be mute. I was surprised when she had lines later.
That's just my hopeful thinking. It's not confirmed anywhere.
At least it looks like Nozomi will speak in NS3.
>As big or bigger as the "won't lose out to shounen anime" ones.
Please stop reminding me about that
>DOES THAT MEAN WE GET MORE DIFFERENT CIVVIE OUTFITS?
A part of the show is that they will bring back the old magical girl trope of disguises
Yeah, I loved it when Rin said "Rainbow Rose Explosion".
Who do you guys think was the most obnoxious cure of all?
Reminder that he actually won the Mana
>DOES THAT MEAN WE GET MORE DIFFERENT CIVVIE OUTFITS?
We got GURI GURI GURI and NIN-NIN-NINJA so far. Also Megumi is interested in fashion despite being three decades behind modern times and Hime has a good fashion sense, so cross your fingers.
He's hoping for that, not saying that it'll happen.
Personally, I really don't think that'd suddenly make these movies better. They don't want to show conflict between the Cures, so it's not like it'd lead to some more interesting premises using elements from the two seasons. It'd be just the same we have now, but with smaller casts.
Miyuki and Yayoi.
Did you cum?
Erika, of course.
Yea I... never really got why we get a metric fuckton of collectible items that are just the cures in different clothes but NEVER does anything like the dressup pen from Sailor Moon get used.
I mean seriously, just how hard can you even hate money to not make this kind of investment?
FINGERS = FUCKING CROSSED.
>A part of the show is that they will bring back the old magical girl trope of disguises
>Please stop reminding me about that
Sorry. It's hard not to feel at once smug and incredibly annoyed.
>It'd be just the same we have now, but with smaller casts.
That's the damn point.
Have some fucking interaction between the Cures.
Some fucking team-work
Have EVERYONE talk.
Have the damn movie be about the Cures instead of the ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL they introduce in every fucking New Stage.
You know, all the things a CROSSOVER should have but the Precure ones don't have because they are gigantic clusterfucks?
>I mean seriously, just how hard can you even hate money
Brain's Base still beats them by a hair.
They cited the workload as the reason they don't change costumes much in anime.
Your argument is confusing and contradictory. This leads me to believe that you don't know what you want and will be angry with whatever you get.
Fuck you Usagi.
>You know, all the things a CROSSOVER should have but the Precure ones don't have because they are gigantic clusterfucks?
I don't see how all those elements come from them being gigant clusterfucks though.
>Have the damn movie be about the Cures instead of the ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL they introduce in every fucking New Stage.
The DX movies didn't have that, and it's really counter intuitive in the first place for a movie with a large cast already.
There's nothing saying they couldn't continue with original characters even in smaller crossovers either, or that future big crossovers after New Stage would keep that formula. It's a problem completely separate from them involving large casts.
>Have some fucking interaction between the Cures.
>Some fucking team-work
All that could happen even with the current formula though, especially if the original protagonist weren't there...
sometimes i feel ike scumbag for being attracted to a 14 years old girl
>cures are stuck in a maze or something
>get split up
>no two cures from the same season in any group
>they have to learn to work together to find their way out
That's a bullshit excuse. They already have the designs, from the data cards. It's no harder to draw outfit B than outfit A.
I can't think of any other names for funposters.
>It's no harder to draw outfit B than outfit A.
Are you an animator or an artist?
Can you quote an animator or an artist on that?
>Bad guys steal transformation items (again)
>They scatter them in a land of dangerous minigames
>When the Cures, also split up, eventually recover them, it's a different team's devices
>they transform anyway
Yes. Use some goddamn common sense. Assuming the designs are of relatively equal complexity - and no one's asking for crazy-elaborate ballroom dresses here - then it's no harder to draw one or the other. Artists know how to fucking draw things. Not just one thing, but many things.
NS1 Was already close enough to current+previous. Remove all the previous groups and NOTHING would change.
Making it current&previous is no failsafe for anything.
>They already have the designs, from the data cards.
Design sheets for anime need at least three pictures per character if it isn't just a quick cameo or something. Front, back, sides. Each outfit has to be designed separately. That's what causes the whole conservation of designs.
We Gaim now
Confirmed for not drawing anything in his life.
Only if we get them in the outfits of the cure the transformation device is for.
>This is MY Kanade. Go look for your own.
When you animate a single character/form, you draw it multiple times and you quickly get used to drawing that particular form. And then you're have to switch over and draw something different.
Excuse me if I'm more inclined to believe the word of people who work on animation for a living instead of some random anon who just used "common sense" on something that isn't, in fact, a common skill set.
Hidamari Sketch was a low budget anime and yet it changed everyone's outfits every single episode.
>stuck-up cures get midriffs
So what, does one guy draw Mana, one Cure Heart, one MakoP, etc., for the whole cast? Was the Yes 5 team made of some kind of super-artists?
Why is this allowed?
They don't move though.
Funny you say that, because if you read credits of a 80s-90s Disney movie, that's exactly how it's done, they have a team of people for each major character. Of course TV animation can't afford that, but they can't afford making and learning a ton of new designs either.
Because the cards follow different rules, of course. Lewder rules.
Like Milky Rose?
There better be an episode of HaCha where the girls dress up for a costume party a la Suite's Halloween episode, but instead of dressing up as themselves, they dress up as legacy Cures.
>Lovely as Peach
>Princess as Marine
>Honey as Peace
>Fortune as Passion
Milky Rose already got one. I'd still pay a high price to see Honoka transform as Sunshine and nearly die of shame.
Fresh changed outfits very often and it had no budget.
Megumi is the real Princess! They got switched at birth.
What's the medal for?
>SASSATO OUCHI E KAERINASAI
As did Yes 5. Even into the Metamorphose scenes.
Everyone gets a medal in the Special Olympics.
Fresh also had approximately zero animation budget.
For being perfect.
They're legal age in my country. Why would you feel bad? Because your government decided that their age is no good? They did so without any scientific OR moral basis, just so that you know.
The issue is workload for the character designer, not animators.
> sans hairstyle
They have that too, Aguri just keeps her bangs up all the time so you don't notice.
Its like they don't want to encourage little girls to draw new outfits for the cures to wear.
Exactly. How could they afford varios civvie clothes then if they are oh so expensive?
Ah, the days when little girl cartoons could be intentionally lewd
Precure has to spread out its budget for 46-50 episodes though.
Are you saying Doremi has occasinal lewd moments? Really!? Such slander.
Precure feeds off plastic and tears, not fun.
why is that scornful look so erotic?
CS/a/ all over again
Her plainness is what makes her so cute.
Toei are a bunch of prudes.
Just look at Jewelpet. Shit's lewd as fuck and they don't give a shit. Heck, there's even blood in it.
Yeah. What's with the "occasional"?
But Yes 5 and Fresh still managed. And Cardcaptor Sakura was 70 episodes, and had an even greater variety of fantastic designs. Toei is just lazy and cheap.
Also dungarees. On boys it makes them look like retards. On girls they look cute.
>Toei are a bunch of prudes.
Not, Toei, it's specifically whoever is behind Pretty Cure. None of Toei's other anime or live action for children are as prude and "safe" as Pretty Cure.
So did Shugo Chara, and yet they changed their regular outfits all the time and they looked even better than most of the (multiple) magical ones.
Sakura was made by Madhouse, but yes, Toei is cheap.
If we don't get multiple civ outfits in HaCha, I hope the wacky outfits like ninja get used semi-frequently.
They've also had numerous complaints whenever it went lewd like with Eas.
Pretty Cure is plenty lewd for me.
The Precure guys are just frightened of the soccer moms.
Honestly, they should just tell them to fuck off. It's not like there are a lot of other girls shows airing at that time, and kids rare always going to watch whatever they want and ask for toys in ways parents can't refuse.
Plus, soccer moms have a short memory.
So. Fucking. Cute.
God wills it
All those Manas.
Apparently Miki caused quite a stink with her swimsuit and brotherly love. And then Itsuki happened next year.
How heavy are the incest vibes, really?
Enough to make everyone around her think he's her actual boyfriend.
Zero. It's totally normal family love. People who get mad about it are the ones with a problem.