Charging Happiness edition
What if Mana is the Primeminister of Japan in HaCha?
I want legacy form changes
>last thread is still on page 10
Is this what's in store? HaChaps are the worst Precure posters.
Mana did nothing wrong.
>Mana did nothing wrong
That's the problem, dumbass.
The question is, do they have spats or frills?
This is starting to feel weird now.
Well shit. You got me there.
Fuck you, OP. We ride our threads into the sunset here.
You. I like you.
I want to sleep with Honey on me.
you can't post in the previous thread anymore ;_;
Is DokiDoki good? I've seen a lot of hate for it lately and I'm wondering if it's worth picking up.
So, what kind of shameless plastic crap will HaCha push onto the poor parents of Japan?
But we already got them.
Lovely got Passion and Bright with a Suite flavour.
Honey got Peach.
Princess got... Heartcatch and... Beauty?
Marathon it. It's probably better that way.
He won the Mana, right?
Just so that you know, "MANA WORST CURE" won the last thread.
I marathoned the last half of it. It wasn't good. I can see it being worse if you had to wait each week though.
Ace is worse.
WE MAIKU SUMAIRU PURIKYUA FUN ANDO SIMPURU ANDO YOU COMPURAIN MINNA WA RETARUDED
THEN I MAKE DOKIDOKI WIZU PAHFEKUTO CHARACTAHS AND YOU STILL COMPURAIN
I SAY YOU DONT KNO WHAT YOU RIKE
SO I MAKE HAPPINESSU CHAAJI WIZZU SUREE DEE DANCE FAITO
I RABU MY MONEY
No, Regina did.
See for yourself.
Sadly, this is true.
Alice had so much potential. I hate barrier mages so much. She should've been the combat ace.
Maybe they should stop with the knee-jerk reaction to whatever turns out to be popular, and instead set out to write a good story?
Writing is hard. Most anime have shit writing.
Suck my cock /a/
that seems counter intuitive
HaCha will be the first Precure I watch since Heartcatch. None of the others looked that interesting anyway.
Liking Doki is liking Mana, but really really liking Mana.
Yes, people tend to hate it when your answer to bad writing is just to write just as badly but in the opposite extreme.
Reminder that Bel won.
>defeats the Mana
>instantly uses her power as his own to reset
>creates a universe almost exactly the same as the previous one
>in this new one: Ange will not be revived after PJ's defeat
>the Precure are now household names and no longer secret protectors, making it easier for future villains to target them and their close ones
>PJ is not permanently defeated
Bel is the ultimate mastermind. He knew he couldn't create a universe too different, so he created one where it only appears the heroes have won, creating an opportunity for Jikochuu supremacy in the far flung future.
What was 2ch/Nippon reaction?
In a part I'm happy they did not get killed but in part I'm annoyed because they had zero resolution, specially Ira.
Mana being a shit transcends language and cultural barriers.
I swapped their faces.
What if The Jikochuu Trio end up being in HaCHa
Not really. Look at Gaim, look at W.
Mana wins him and Regina. Yes you read it right. Both of them.
>implying there won't be multiple generations of Doki, just like the Dairangers
You're going to have an even harder time now that humans know what bullshit you're up too.
They don't look too bad like that.
Bel had to make this sacrifice so that Ira and Mamo could live, even if it meant becoming a Jiko-chuu. A true hero until the very end. Truly numba wan.
You all call Mana a Sue, but I recall Heartcatch ending with the four Precure turning into a planet sized Tsubomi who made Dune literally turn good to death
I don't understand you people
and don't say "it was all four together". It looked like a giant Tsubomi, it had Tsubomi's voice, and it acted like Tsubomi would
So basically how much I like it depends on how much I like the main character, huh.
...but it was all four together!
That doesn't look bad.
The mary sue-ness will dilute because they will be marrying random people. The Doki's from 1000 years in the future will be even more useless than than episode 1 Smiles.
>You all call Mana a Sue
I liked it. I didn't like this one. That's enough for me.
Public knowledge of super heroes leads to complacency. The municipal defenses will over time become lax, expecting the Precure to do everything. In turn, the Precure will also become lazy, thinking they're unbeatable. All the while, Proto-Jikochu slumbers, waiting for his inevitable revival.
>Don't dare say the part that makes it different from this one! That way my argument falls apart!
What is the most yuri Precure show?
Mana-Jesus always finds a way
Mana won him and Regina.
And Rikka forever alone.
all four combined
into a giant Tsubomi
they might as well have not involved the other three at all
(note, I'm not saying I hate this, I'm saying it's largely the same damn thing)
That is the only thing that annoyed me about the finale.
>It's the same thing except for the part where is not!
Just stop it.
Can we keep them?
It's not Suite-tier, but we're in need of some contrast here.
The claim that it's giant Tsubomi kind of falls apart when it's, you know, not actually just giant Tsubomi. What's the point of it not being exactly giant Tsubomi if it was only Tsubomi?
Tsubomi was a good main character; she started from being a loser shy kid with no friends. Mana was "perfect" from the start.
the part that makes it "different from this one" doesn't in operation make it different at all, because it was still _Tsubomi_ doing everything in the end.
It was not an aggregate of all four HC girls. It was, effectively, Tsubomi, giant sized.
If they didn't want to give that impression, it would have had a new voice or spoke in the voices of all four or something
Superficially, she was Space Tsubomi, everywhere else 25% each Cure. Super Mana was 100% herself, with powers borrowed from her friends.
Tsubomi didn't get enough love in the last half of Heartcatch anyway. The focus was all Itsuki Itsuki Itsuki, then Yuri joined the fray and it was all Yuri Yuri Yuri.
>sounds like Tsubomi
>acts like Tsubomi
>looks like Tsubomi
In what way did the giant girl behave like the other three?
And even in her looks, she had Moonlight's blades and Sunshine's twintails.
WE SAW TSUBOMI GROW FROM A SHY LOSER KID
THAT COULDN'T DO ANYTHING BY HERSELF
THAT NEEDED TO BE RESCUED CONSTANTLY
INTO A SHY KID WITH A BACKBONE AND A PURPOSE
MANA DIDN'T EARN SHIT
SHE WAS FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS
AND HAD NO PERSONALITY
> It looked like a giant Tsubomi
Except in the part where she didn't look like Tsubomi.
>it had Tsubomi's voice
Did she even talk? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Silhouette speaking even a single word.
>and it acted like Tsubomi would
TSUBOMI INVENTED PUNCHING
In what part does it look like giant Tsubomi? Post a picture of Tsubomi, and scale her up to giant size. Let's see this.
When we see this, argue again. Otherwise you can stop.
I don't even think Toei took the finale seriously. They were just like "fuck it do whatever. We have an anniversary season to milk."
in what ways are Moonlight, Sunshine, and Marine on display there?
In no ways whatsoever.
You are so mad that you are saying things that are untrue
Mana earned everything she got. If you don't agree, you didn't really watch.
Post it. Scale up or shut up.
Her hair is pink!
SHE EARNED IT BY NEVER GIVING IN OR UP DESPITE BEING THE WEAKEST, THE MOST AFRAID AND THE LESS CAPABLE OF THEM ALL
>where is not!
>is not it's
Your spic is showing.
miss the raw stomaches in precure
>heartcatch defense force
In her hair. You can easily see blades and twintails.
So this is the form the Doki Defense Force will take? Saying that since two other characters got a giant form, it's the same as Mana being a Sue for the whole series?
She was handed everything into a silver platter by virtue of not being a real character or having anything resembling a character arc.
>SHE WAS FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS
>AND HAD NO PERSONALITY
I'm fucking tired of this bullshit excuse. being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait in creating characters.
Mana was confident, had a heart of gold, and didn't give up when the chances were against her.
How many times have we had a pink that went "I CAN'T DOOOO THIS. IT'S TOO HARD, I CAN NEVER BEAT HIM."
It's such a painfully tiring personality.
>Mana Defence Force
the toppest of all lels
Cockroach eyes gifs soon to follow.
At least we're actually talking about the show and not throwing around labels like faggots.
Mana can't be a Mary Sue because she is a total failure as a leader. She couldn't even keep Sword and Ace under control when they went to assassinate Regina.
Being the franchise's most incompetent leader, in the leader position, makes her unable to be a Mary Sue.
>being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait in creating characters.
My sides. Go read Twilight or something.
This goddamn gif. Holy fuck. This Mana. Pure, undiluted Mana. And it is glorious.
Mana: forced people to accept her help, solved all their problems for them, never struggled, her self-sacrifice was completely superficial, perfect family life, never makes a mistake
Gentarou: helps other people help themselves and never solves all their problems for them, constantly struggles to help his friends and requires their help to move forward, DIED for friendship, consistently makes mistakes but is a man big enough to apologize for them
Fourze was DokiDoki done right.
That's the thing, she may not look like it, but she's still praised as great leader
I like how the TRANSDIMENSIONAL WORLD TOURISM AND TRADE everyone joked about actually happened.
>And Rikka forever alone.
Makoto and Rikka really lost the most in this whole ordeal.
Alice at least has Arisu to keep her company.
I enjoyed the show despite its flaws and not giving a shit about the writing - which let me like Mana. But I would never defend her at all. People like their main characters weak and flawed and I will accept that.
HappinessCharge makes this a great year to be a Heartcatch-fag.
While I agree that Tsubomi formed the "core" of Silhouette, which she did because she was the first to understand that you could not fight and win vs Dune with hate, but with love, something she hammered down on the rest of the team, specially Yuri, comparing the situation and trying to excuse the Mana situation because of that is tremendously stupid thing to do.
>I'm fucking tired of this bullshit excuse. being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait in creating characters.
>people actually arguing over HC and Doki's final episodes
shit vs. shit
Go be edgy somewhere else, you angsty neckbeard. Miyuki was literally the biggest liar who broke down as soon as Pierrot tore half the world. So much nmore "ULTRA HAPPINESS" right?
If you're going to claim that you're creating a character with faults like that, I'd rather just have Mana as man pink. Such a poor excuse for drama to trigger an easy emotion.
You're the biggest faggot today.
>being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait in creating characters.
>being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait in creating characters
This is the most retarded post I've ever seen.
Okay geniuses. How do we fix Doki? Hard mode: without inherently changing the character/group dynamic.
>keep everything the same up until Ace reveal
>no training arc, instead have a Regina rescue arc
>during this arc get all 3 legendary items
>rescue and purify Regina, making her a Cure isn't needed
>rest of the 3rd and 4th cour is Regina and Aguri learning to deal with each other and the fact they're essentially the same person
>add in a couple more Makopi autismoe episodes because it's the best filler
>PLEASE JSUT ONE FUCKING EPISODE ABOUT ALICE'S SCHOOL LIFE
>finale is largely the same
>if Regina wasn't made a Cure during the rescue arc, she can become one now; still isn't needed
>Proto-Jeeks getting loved also purifies Mammo and Ira
>I SAY YOU DONT KNO WHAT YOU RIKE
Just a good story with relatively equally balanced characters and maybe a tiny smidge of notable development but still keeping it simple enough for a childrens' audience?
we need a pink like Chiefu
Why not just have someone who is strong and selfless but also flawed like Nozomi?
As usual, the manga a shit
>Trying to excuse a bad character by saying that another character was also bad
That's not how it works. You should despise both of them.
How about this: We air it again next season. And then keep airing it forever. That's be nice.
Both Miyuki and Mana are just as bad. Just because Mana is situated on the on the other extreme of the balance doesn't make her automatically good. Just a different kind of shit.
It seems like they'll try to aim for that with Megumi.
Is that some younger Toguro brother 100%?
When more than half of the toys that are going to be sold are the pink character, it's really hard to have equal balance.
At least this actually fits with Tsubomi going from weakest Precure to strongest Precure.
Keep airing it until people eventually give up and admit they like it.
I said relatively
So people don't like Tsubomi or Mana. Are none of the Pinks any good?
She'll be a refreshing breeze compared to Mana, that's for sure.
No one is asking for a perfect 5/5/5/5/5 for everyone, we all know it's impossible. But a 6/5/5/5/5 or a 7/5/5/5/5 instead of a 10/1/1/0/0 won't kill anyone.
>So people don't like Tsubomi
Where did you get this?
I love both Tsubomi and Mana. All the pinks are good except Hibiki.
Nozomi is the best.
I kinda wanted to say that, but they'll assume it's just backpedaling.
I just don't like when someone create's a character, which seems like he/she has a promising personality, but completely falls apart with drama disguised as "This is totally the fault!"
I've seen that too many times lately.
>So people don't like Tsubomi
People like Tsubomi, I don't think I've ever heard anyone hate on her in this thread.
I have yet to see anyone speak badly about Love.
Best pink coming through. Balanced character in a balanced series.
A valid point
It's more like 8/4/4/3/2 though.
Okay, but seriously HapCha
For as much as we know about it, we know nothing about it. We know the basic plot but it is quite widespread. We know what the grunts look like before we know what the villains look like (leaving aside the rarity of grunts in general, this has never happened), they are actively hiding one of the major cast members' voices even though she premieres in the movie, and the producers have stated big changes to come that even they are nervous about. Plus, no actual show footage. Again, never happened before
Oh and ikemen as well as guys in tuxedos.
Now, Toei trying something new resulted in based Gaim so I am hopeful right now and at the same time I'm nervous
Honestly, I thought Doki was pretty damn good until around the time Ace appeared. Pacing was good and we had one or two "shit just got real" episodes every month.
>being "wrong" and having "faults" is such a generic fucking trait
I wish I still had that screencap of a bunch of retards in an SAO thread who were saying Kirito is not a gary stu because characters who are perfect at what they do are rare and characters who have faults are edgy and cliche and all the haters are just jealous of his gaming skills.
You're just like them. Go read Fifty Shades of Gray or something because you're obviously the type of retard shit like that is written for.
Her breasts are too big. They distract from her legs.
Of course. Love is great.
> except Hibiki
And Suite still retains one of the best endings of the series
Does Shiny Luminous count as a Pink?
She counts as a waste of a good VA.
At the end of the day, if you didn't accept that Mana is the chosen one and was going to be wanked over excessively, you would've dropped Doki a long time ago.
As finales go it was good. A fairly exciting beatdown by super-cure and an exceptional epilogue. The two worlds staying connected a definite surprise and now I want to see a SoL about the two worlds interacting.
It's useless trying to compare seasons, everyone has different tastes and expectations about how the show should go, and trying to compare Tsubomi's growth with Mana's unfaltering attitude is comparing apples with oranges.
She's a useless
She's a yellow. Remember, yellows come in two flavors: either getting focus bias or getting focus shafted.
I agree with this.
I think the show peaked at the "rescue Regina" episode. With the volcano and all.
I know the argument you're trying to make here, but the manga is inherently different storyline wise to the actual anime, which tried to make it patently obvious that the Mugen Silhouette was a combination of all 4 of them (the 4 shells of each colour before the Silhouette appeared)
The argument that just because something was handled in a similar fashion in a previous series, really doesn't work when trying to defend the staff going outright Mana Sue during the final episode of Doki. The circumstances leading up to the final scene in Heartcatch was preceded by scenes showing all the characters fighting Dune and all getting screentime, hell the episode before it was basically all about Erika, Itsuki and Yuri while Tsubomi was effectively regulated to the background.
It's hard to compare the two because circumstances leading up to both episodes were very different, but when I first watched the Heartcatch finale I was annoyed at how much of an asspull the Silhouette was, but the ending of DokiDoki had me laughing at the sheer absurdity and outright Mana Sue-ness of it all.
>the producers have stated big changes to come that even they are nervous about
Sauce? Not doubting you but I'd like to read what they said.
But the only yellowish thing about her is her hair.
She's a not a cure
Filthy hitler scum
>captcha yusedui Masonic
yeah, people just call her a slut who has a crush on every boy...
I think it comes down to a matter of execution. There's nothing wrong with them being different but how its pulled off is what matters.
Like Ace. Ace is an example of them not pulling it off well
Read my post carefully, you seem to have missed "I CAN'T DOOOO THIS", "IT'S TOO HARD." "I CAN NEVER BEAT HIM"
If you call that writing a character with faults, than I might as well read 50 Shades.
Don't give me some bullshit that you won't back up. you're like those video game blogs who preach about how video games are a "work of art".
Remember when we all understood immediately, from the first episode, 49 weeks ago, that Mana was hacked?
Hello friends, I am new to PreCure, I have seen Smile and Futari wa so far. Smile was my first and I loved it a lot but I found Futari wa to be just aight, although I really liked the especially silly episodes of Futari wa where they did things like fight the sharkman with moray eels for arms. Where do I go from here?
Nagisa was actually a breath of fresh air in the magical girl genre; she is a genuinely boyish protagonist. Magical girl series have had sporty leads like Sakura, but Nagisa is the first genuinely boyish lead. She is a lot like Aiko from Doremi except she is the main character. That was part of Precure's novelty, not to mention her theme color was black.
Saki was a lot like Nagisa but also much girlier and they toned down the immature factor a lot.
Nozomi and Love are both the traditional magical girl leader: strong, with a huge heart... but also naive, not very bright, reckless and prone to make mistakes.
Tsubomi is unique like Nagisa; she is the nerdy shy best friend... except written as the main character. She also has the traditional Pink traits like the huge heart and infinite kindness, but her primary mode is nerdy shy best friend.
Hibiki is a lot like Nagisa but they toned down the boyishness and made her much girlier. Sporty and tomboyish, but girlier.
Miyuki and Mana are both the classic magical girl archetype done wrong in completely different ways.
And Cure Black is mostly black with pink details, but is still the main character. Two pinks in the same season is just silly.
Geez, I'd have to dig through the archives. I don't even remember what day that was
>not to mention her theme color was black.
Which they've never used again.
I'm sick of white and pink. Fuck. It annoys me because black and pink look so much better together but we keep getting generic white and pink instead.
Exploitable of the day
Well, you can watch any season between Yes 5 and Suite, excluding Go Go which is Yes 5's sequel.
Go Fresh or Suite.
Yes and HeartCatch can wait.
Yes5 if you want something more like Smile, Splashstar if you want something more like Futari wa or Heartcatch if you want something new.
And pick up the new season when it starts next week
I think I see your point but you phrased it dumbly
Yes, characters do need flaws. They should not be perfect. I don't know why you're trying to contest them on this point when it's very clear that Mana has flaws. She had problems she needed to overcome. The people saying she doesn't really didn't pay attention. She is arrogant and a busybody. Those are flaws. They've had consequences in show. Her arrogance is justified though, and she has a lot of strengths and is generally very competent and able to solve problems with a lot of proficiency, so she is able to fix situations and solve problems. So of course it LOOKS like she has no flaws. She has flaws and actively, and effectively works to solve them. THAT is her strength as a character. Same as any other cure. It just takes her a lot less time to get to the bottom line. Whereas Tsubomi had a confidence problem that took months to overcome, Mana had some social problems that she worked hard to fix and overcame in an episode. That's what I want to see. Not unflawed, perfect characters, but characters who are able to overcome their flaws and ues their strengths. Mana does that pretty well throughout the series. I'll admit that the self recovery in the finale was dumb, but it doesn't make her flawless, nor do any of the things I've seen pointed out about her.
Suite and Fresh are pretty silly in their own right.
Heartcatch has its moments of silliness while also being a good story on its own. Like when Erika hesitates to fight the Sunackies because they're promising to destroy all homework along with the school.
>She is arrogant and a busybody. Those are flaws. They've had consequences in show.
I think the only real time I saw a consequence of that was with Regina.
>you're like those video game blogs
So you are a /v/tard. Makes sense.
The other time was when she was trying too hard to befriend Makoto. She changed her approach and tried another way in the same episode and it worked.
>but the ending of DokiDoki had me laughing at the sheer absurdity and outright Mana Sue-ness of it all.
Same here. I dropped Doki like 20 episodes ago and decided to livewatch the final episode on a whim. I was able to derive some enjoyment because I was watching it in "trainwreck mode".
Don't forget that those so called flaws caused POSITIVE consequences.
Well, that was kind of a big deal. But also there was the time she got sick from overwork. And the time she walked into the King of Seitokaicho trap and had to be rescued.
Makoto's early episode.
And you missed the whole part about her overcoming them quickly.
There was also the time she got sick and chaos ensued from everyone's over-dependence on her to run shit.
But then again, that was more about everyone else's flaws, rather than her own.
>doesn't even acknowledge my argument
Oh, wait! I'm on /a/!
Arguments are meaningless!
I miss Nagisa's snark and fourthwall breaking.
>There was also the time she got sick and chaos ensued from everyone's over-dependence on her to run shit.
And then she fixed everything alone at the end!
>Don't forget that those so called flaws caused POSITIVE consequences.
Not initially, only because of her effective management of the situation.
No shit she isn't literally flawless. The problem is none of her faults actually matter, and they make her more endearing to the viewers. She gets sympathy for literally being not perfect enough in a show that highlights her perfection.
>Oh, wait! I'm on /a/!
That's right, you're not on /v/ anymore. You can't just spout bullshit and expect everyone to commend you for it.
>All the Cure Heart merch is sold out
>Plenty of bargain bin Cure Sword merch
It hurts being a Sword fan
Nope. It was her husbando who did all the job.
When will we get another sporty Pink?
The Smiles were pretty genre-savvy early on.
Come to think of it, watching Smile was like watching four Nagisas (and one Honoka), each with a different aspect of her personality enhanced tenfold. All with varying degrees of her stupidity
>They've had consequences in show.
No they have not. hell, she beat the final boss while being arrogant as fuck.
>Her arrogance is justified though
That's NOT how you write a character flaw. If it's a flaw that nobody sees as a flaw, then it is not a flaw.
Many Mary Sue have "flaws" just for the sake of having them and the people around them end up acknowledging that "It can't be helped" and they roll with them. God-forbid, they might even end up doing more good than bad.
That's a very Mary Sue-ish trait.
>Everyone gets a happy ending
>EXCEPT YOU, SWORD
Is this why she stopped getting relevance?
Can Mana beat Honoka in QCQ?
It must hurt being Sword itself even more. I'd have said "Fuck it" and stormed out of the studio the day I had to record "MANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Mana is the husband in every relationship.
Nope. Everyone knows White class Cures are like kryptonite to Pinks.
I'm not the one spouting bullshit here, you just ignore a statement to justify the fact that you have no argument.
And you seem to know a lot of /v/, so how do I know you aren't really from it?
>Can Mana --
Which personality would you like to see on the next Pink after Megumi? My dream will forever be having someone bitchy and pushy that doesn't ever not say what she thinks like Milky or Erika.
White and Black are still the strongest.
Delinquent with a heart of gold and bitchy OH HOHOHOHO Ojou with drills.
Any other answer is objectively wrong.
I want Mana back.
I'm fine as long as it is written decently.
Though that seems to be a request quite hard to grant lately.
Kanade would get her ass smashed by most pinks.
I would say definitely.
Delinquent with a heart of gold would be good.
A hard-ass leader who learns to lighten up and become someone the rest of the team can look up as the series goes on.
I might skip HaCha, it doesn't look interesting. leaves me enough time to be excited for the next season.
Kanade would get her ass smashed by a Green.
Well, CQC yes, but Kanade wasn't made for that.
I really don't care as long as they are written well and likable
This >>100931938 however would be an instant pick
Oh you're right. So her waifu then.
I like how only in that episode he's not calling her "Mana". He was trying to hide his feelings.
So I foolishly decided to watch the first All Stars movie before watching the first six seasons. While watching it, I didn't particularly care for the Fresh Cures. Is the actual show better?
Are you feeling it /a/?
Yes, I feel it. The return of actual hetero in Precure. Oh it is coming and it will be hopefully written well because honestly only Fresh managed to kind of pull it off decently. I guess Y5 too
You underestimate her abilities.
Her cupcakes would subdue them in an instant.
>implying Green are somewhat weak
I like it
>Is the actual show better
Fucking great if you like comedy and don't mind QUALITY.
Lazy/disinterested girl that gets tricked into being a Precure. The first episode is her accidentally saving the day though sheer happenstance. For the first cour or so, the blue/white has to goad or incentivize beating the MotW for pink to do anything.
She then forced into her role as leader when blue/white gets kidnapped during the midseason, leaving only pink and delinquent yellow to rescue her.
There hasn't been any for 4 years, they won't start now.
Start of Fresh sucked but it got really good later on despite QUALITY everywhere
Yes, very. It's often considered one of the better ones. Though it's very QUALITY, so don't expect Smile-level of artworks.
>How do we fix Doki?
Resolve Aguri/Regina arc in the same arc Aguri is introduced. Make them both cures who power each other up. Have true ace be an aguri-like cure instead of ange-like cure. Make Regina seem like a real character besides someone who only thinks about Mana and interacts with everyone else.
Make the group save Mana in the last episode when her heart is hurt. Have Ira and Rikka be responsible for weakening proto jikochuu, and create an opening while sword chops buildings and alice shields them as Ace/Regina/Mana combine all their treasures for a final blow.
Reveal who those two jikochu generals were that they never revealed that are leva/gula. They had such good foreshadowing yet never used it.
Make the final arc about fighting in the streets of trump layer by layer and slowly reviving people. Have some earlier intermixing of earth and trump and make it vital to the finisher.
Give Momo better development. We had Bel as the one with plans, Ira as the confused one, and Momo was just Momo. She could've been Sword's special rival or something and it would've improved both characters.
Shift each week's Protag, kind of like Smile and Fresh.
Make Alice's rival less corny. Give alice an emphasized position as the groups protector, not in fights but emotionally make her the one people rely on. It doesn't need to overlap Rikka, as Rikka could be more the common sense smart one. It's a different role.
I overall thought the series was great though. That's just how I would've done things.
>because honestly only Fresh managed to kind of pull it off decently.
Did you somehow not watch the last episode of Fresh or something?
A blunt pink with a sharp tongue that struggles to make friends instead.
Huh, I kinda prefer the different colors.
And Joe doesn't count as het?
What's your final verdict on Aguri?
You mean like Takeru?
>only Fresh managed to kind of pull it off decently
>I guess Yes5 too
Yes 5 did it and got it as close as canon as you can for relationships involving furry 20 year old ikemen and middle schooler girls. Fresh tried to but it was largely disappointing.
I don't remember how they were in DX1, but the Freshes are decent in their own show. No one exceptional, but you won't dislike anyone, and you'll probably like at least one of them a lot, because they're all different.
Nigga they confirmed osananajimi.
If that doesn't scream hetero to you then I don't know what goes through your head.
Yes I did. And that's using Fresh in relevance to the rest of the franchise
It would if he was more relevant
The show is great. Aside from all the QUALITY, but that's what makes it endearing.
Go watch it. Now.
Hiromu, but since it had the same writer (and I didn't watch Shinkenger) I get why you'd think so.
I like her but she shouldn't have existed.
That means he'll have a one sided crush while Lovely and Princess get to know each other real well.
I don't hate her anymore now that they've fixed her. She's still far from my favorite though.
That makes me worried since they though Doki Doki!'s final wasn't anything worth worrying about. What big changes will we get in the third era of Precure?
Started out hating her, halfway through, I became bored of her, and in the end I just completely stopped caring about her.
Worst cure of all time.
Honestly even a one-sided crush would be something refreshing at this point
I hope Lovely and Princess become best friends.
Well, I think form changing and the world knowing about the existence of Precure at the start is two pretty big new things right there
That's what happened with the last osananajimi we got. Tsubomi went full Natsuru in that episode.
i want to lick not-nagisa's salty eyebrows
Pretty meh. Her introduction signaled the drop in quality of the show. The way /a/ reacted to her debut was still retarded though.
>Using a mac
Hand holding everywhere, just you wait.
Megumi is going to be like that minus the bitchy parts. Apparently, her tactlessness is one of her faults.
THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT
But then again, last osananajimi wasn't a recurring side character
Blade > JAKQ > Doki
My final verdict was a lot of people are so dense they couldn't understand her.
Overall she was my favorite because I have a table spoon of empathy and I could appreciate her moral dilemma and difficult position.
Mana scored 60 fucking points.
Wait, what if Princess is this season's Tomboy Cure? I can kinda see it.
>Not using linux
I seriously hope they were just talking about the things we already know about, 3dcg, form changes...
I have absolutely no faith in Toei doing something different anymore, actually I wouldn't mind if they started exclusively re-airing past series and never bother fucking up this franchise further. Maybe that's a bit too much, I still want new precures after all.
Just because you understand a character motivation/dilemma/whatever doesn't mean you have to automatically like him. Just saiyan'
The latest osananajimi is Nikaido. And he has to share Mana with Regina.
Well, Doki has some hetero. But they're all left hanging.
Nikaido has to share with Regina, Ira left Rikka, and Joe is waiting for Ai-chan to be his First Lady.
You've got your timeline wrong. It's JAXQ > Blade > Doki. That's the only way it works without time travel.
You wouldn't mind posting a screencap of her testsheet, would you?
Wasn't Kenta a childhood friend of Saki?
Is it finally ogre?
The Japanese use the term understanding someone as a sign of support for that person.
Yeah, I actually thought he liked her, but then he was OTP with that chubby girl. It was weird.
God, SS had such a great supporting cast
I liked her, because she was the only character in the show that actually developed a bit.
It will after NS3.
With some luck we'll be getting Current x Previous only movies after it.
I don't know if I'm going to like HaCha.
it wasn't a timeline
Too bad this ain't Japan.
No shit Sherlock. No one knows if they will because it has no aired yet.
There's really nothing they can do. No matter what they do, a bunch of us will hate it. Even if they made something like Dragon Ball Kai for Futari Wa, people would still complain.
It was a 50/50 on which *nix it was. I chose mac because this is /a/. What distro?
Not if you use the proper analytic term to describe that you understood her, without any moral implication?
>I liked her, because she was the only character in the show that actually developed a bit.
You bring up a good point. She probably developed more than any other character. She was certainly the only character that had to actually make hard decisions. Mana just stayed as the optimist the entire show to a fault. She didn't change at all besides one boohoo mid season.
>Even if they made something like Dragon Ball Kai for Futari Wa, people would still complain.
You make it sound like Kai was a good thing.
I'm doing this as objectively as I can, and I'm not seeing it so far.
Her treatment was really unfair. A lot of people hated her because she beat up Regina and bullied Mana in her first appearance.
I was indifferent to her until the Happy Prince episode where she yelled at the whole school for being useless without Mana. That's when my heart went doki doki.
I'M HERE TO SAVE PRECURE
I hope you do
Fuck I really can't find those tweets from the producers about the new shit HapCha is supposed to have
Cure Joseph Joestar pls
I'm skipping your series
>Her treatment was really unfair.
I agree. People took pleasure in being as hateful and biased as possible towards Aguri. It has really been a low point for the fan base.
>Implying that us stupid cavemen 'Mericuns can read your panda speak.
Mint for now, shit just werks.
> "Your next line will be "Onore Precure!"
> "Onore Precure-- ah!"
My brother. Good taste there friend.
An entire year later and she still never used a sword
Well they don't want little children to get hurt.
Even if she had used one she would probably had thrown it to Mana.
And Alice never honed her hand to hand combat skills
That's because she was one.
>Mana never used a heart!
>Rikka never used a diamond!
>Alice never used a clover!
She is the sword.
But she WAS the sword. She used herself.
Yeah, a shitty one.
Only Nisio can save Precure from shitwriting now.
You know it's true.
>Sparkle Sword is not working!
I would have loved to have Urobuchi and Nisio writing Toei toy commercials at the same time.
He couldn't even save Monogatari from himself.
Has anyone in Precure ever gotten a permanent haircut?
>crossing the streams
We're in 2014 for the next Precure, how long has it been?
Are there even threads leading back to the first episode for each of them, starting with 2008?
They spent all the sword budget on Beauty and before that they spent it all on Dream. We'll get a new sword wielding Cure in about 2 years.
In a lot of stretch, we got to know wavy haired Honey and some time after we got Itsuki-haired Yuko.
I always thought that the first PreCure show that anyone actually watched was Heartcatch.
I don't know about 2008, but they were there since 2009 (Fresh) at least.
Though they weren't as frequent in the past.
The earliest I know that exist here in 4chan is Fresh livewatches on /m/.
>and before that they spent it all on Dream
A shitty scene in a movie depletes that bdget for three seasons? It must be a small budget.
I definitely remember Fresh threads.
I did it and she got a 34 after revising it. Honestly, I think other pink characters would get a similar score on this particular test.
How? They never subbed the whole thing until recently.
Look at this greedy, smug bitch. It's no wonder Makoto didn't have a sword when Reika had two the entire time.
I did and got a 33. I bet MakoP would get higher, because of the 50 tragic past questions.
Here's another one.
How? We just had a thread for an unsubbed episode. It's not hard.
I got that feeling as well. Ace was another one that would have fit there.
>helmet-less in costume
This is my fetish
>Regina is now part of the Doki super heroines
That means she's basically a Cure right?
She'll appear in NS3 and fight alongside Mana, right?
There were basically only threads for livewatches and some generals but they would die rather quickly until HC came around.
It says in the beginning that the test is a copy of that test from a viewers point of view instead of the author. It's the same thing.
Wow, this is kind of amazing. Shame it's not the BD release date which I wanted, but I'm still surprised that Google would get even this close.
Holy shit, Google does that?
Fuck. That shit will get self-aware and hijack nuclear bombs or something sooner or later.
She'll either be considerd something like Shiny Luminous or Milky Rose is or cast aside like Michiru/Kaworu/Waon/Seika and basically everyone else that WOULD HAVE been a Precure.
Pick your poison.
It doesn't do that for me.
Does this mean she'll be in NS3?
I ran her through and only got 48, though it was notable that a) many of these involve 'does the author' and those were pretty much automatically ruled out and b) she ticked almost none of the 'de-suifier' boxes at the end.
Also it really annoyed me that in the descriptor for rebellious royal syndrome 'xir' was used to describe the unknown-gender character, but the implied-to-be-an-ass unknown-gender author consistently got 'he', but this isn't really the time or place.
Little girls like Regina
I say she has a good chance
Finally, no more weekly Mana Show
We are already in the future, gentlemen.
Maybe you have to have a G+ account. Did you try fiddling with your settings?
>a) many of these involve 'does the author' and those were pretty much automatically ruled
I'd say they should. Remember that interview?
>Remember that interview?
I don't, actually. Mind filling me in?
>I don't even think Toei took the finale seriously. They were just like "fuck it do whatever. We have an anniversary season to milk."
we might see the strongest writing Precure might ever get
I feel Batman would have destroyed that quiz front and back.
It doesn't seem to make a difference. It must just be some A/B testing that google is doing.
Goes to show why The Brothers Karamazov is considered top-notch literature and Batman isn't.
Most stuff with superpower would score pretty high on that test by the way.
Doesn't change that Mana is a Sue though.
>we might see the strongest writing Precure might ever get
Do you mean that HaCha will be better than ever or that Doki is the Shark Jump moment?
It's probably better if you read it yourself.
>Most stuff with superpower would score pretty high on that test by the way.
So run it on all the cures and see that most of them are probably pretty close to Mana in some way.
You're watching a kid's show.
This is the kind of post that make me cringe when looking at the archives.
Fuck, forgot the fucking link. I'm sorry.
Is that new HaCha PV in niconico/youtube yet?
>You're watching a kid's show.
I... I think I need to get back to work.
I want an episode of the Hachas cosplaying as some of the legacy Cures.
>Megumi as Happy
>Hime as Marine
>Yuko as Pine
>Fortune as Beat
I think that test only really works for shows/books/whatever with multiple focus characters.
Women are insane, what else is new.
>B-But it's just for kids!
Yes, and? That doesn't excuse shitty writing or shitty anything else. It's not a requirement but doesn't mean it's not possible to make a decent thing either.
What new PV?
Are... are you even watching the same show as the rest of us?
Good thing they really haven't been.
Face it, you've been lowering your standards to watch precure just like the rest of us, and Doki is just the first time you've noticed.
The one at the end of the last episode.
I'm assuming you misunderstood my post or something because what I was talking about has nothing to do with the show or Precure at all?
3D women=/=2D women.
>we still haven't seen the villains.
Toei wants to surprise us badly, don't they?
>Thanks to her, we've received a lot of responses from girls that they "want to be Cure Ace".
Xerxes, Pride and Lust
I'm implying that it wasn't new. It technically was, I think, but it didn't show or say anything significant.
>Any kind of shit goes if you're not at Dostoevsky level! There is no difference in quality between stupid children shows!
Mana Defence Force, pls.
Hime sounds like a gaki
I like gakis
> A story of friendship and romance.
Ho boy. Koi is back.
>Face it, you've been lowering your standards to watch precure just like the rest of us
Nope. I'm not expecting a Shakesperean masterpiece but not something that insults the viewers either.
>and Doki is just the first time you've noticed.
Heck no. I have Doki on the same trash bag I put Smile in.
Well, they can't be worse than the CLOWNS in Smile.
>Missed the last episode stream.
>talking shit about Akanbe
Nigga the only clown here is you.
They kinda ruined Pierrot's 2nd form for me.
I liked his Malevolent Clown, because it was reminiscent of Penny Wise.
>friendship and romance
She said "Love, courage and kindness".
Think of a bad theme for a precure anime.
I'll start: animals. The big bad is some kind of lion thing, and the cures are cute things like rabbits, cats, etc.
Xerxes is the main general
The three stooges were not that bad but not that good either. They were good considering all things. The HURR WE WERE FAIRIES ALL ALONG was fucking stupid though.
Joker was great.
Pierrot may as well not exist.
You're misunderstanding the "It's for kids" argument. Having deep, complex, intricate lore and characters is difficult for kids in the age range of Precure. They literally have trouble keeping up with that. So they make it simple the characters are one dimensional, and it's plain white good versus really dark evil creatures. And it's been that way forever.
When we say "it's for kids" we mean that anything more complex would go over their heads.
I did go back through it, but nothing really changed on that front since most of it is to do with attractiveness, and I can't off the top of my head remember Mana being classified as any more attractive than the other Dokis. I did notice a question or two that did apply but weren't ticked, though, and that pushed her score up to 52, and I'm being as fair as I can.
That's what Lovely said. I paraphrased what Princess said after her.
>Naoko Matsui will also play Cure Fortune and the fairy Ribbon, respectively.
Totally not Cure Fortune, right guys?
That's why it was a bad idea.
Although if it had an OP like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6vt9XlxavM, I'd watch it.
It could be a red herring.
>Haruka Tomatsu and Naoko Matsui will also play Cure Fortune and the fairy Ribbon, respectively.
Precure series have historically been 100% fluff. Enjoyable, fun, but not really very good.
>I'm actually a real princess, so I chose the name Cure Princess
Princess is my favourite right now. Her voice is perfect.
Bel was probably their atonement for Joker not getting proper resolution. Nigga just mind/body melds with Pierrot and that's it. No final showdown or anything.
>Yes! 5 writer
All we need is Sakamoto directing the movie.
>but not really very good.
>Implying that entertainment is in any way good for you.
Plain != Mary Sue
Nobody is arguing that cures are/should be complex characters facing moral dilemmas left and right, but they shouldn't be Mary Sues either.
They managed pretty fine till now, arguably having Miyuki being an anti-sue as the only other time they fucked up.
Damn, that looks a lot better.
>Nigga just mind/body melds with Pierrot and that's it. No final showdown or anything.
Better to die happy and thinking you won that dying hugged.
Is there any doubt Hime will be the savior Precure needs?
Just because you don't relate to Mana doesn't mean that she's a Mary Sue.
I certainly find her relatable.
I'd die happy if I got a hug.
Plain-white-good as in justice themes and love. I didn't mean it as a character description.
>arguably having Miyuki being an anti-sue as the only other time they fucked up.
That's why Miyuki's obligatory pink moments felt so off to me. It was even worse in the movie too.
Have you even watched the last episode? Not even the Mana Defence Force had the courage to just state that Mana isn't a Mary Sue today. Just not today, but still.
Rape should be the theme of the villains
The Cures should be
>I certainly find her relatable.
I'm a turbovirgin, but isn't vanilla=missionary?
I don't care about the themes.
Actually, I'd fucking love a generic black and white justice story in Precure now.
Or in Gundam
Or Sentai or fucking anything.
I'm tired of how every story in anything nowadays tries to play the understanding, sympathetic villain, brainwashing, befriending, etc card all the damn time, the worst part is they they play them like shit 90% of the time.
He is probably euphoric. I can't picture any other type of person relating to her at all. You have to be too self-conceited and narcissistic.
I thought vanilla = consensual
I agree with anon. Mana is a perfectly understandable and real character. Just because she's a cyborg and perfect doesn't make it any less relateable for other perfect beings such as myself. I enjoyed watching her triumph every week over her obstacles, and doing so while outshining those around her.
Precure Akibaranger never.
countries, planets or constellations
You made me spit my tea. Fuck you.
I don't know, we shouldn't have skipped Sex Ed.
I heard koi.
Not ai, koi
Michiru and Kaoru voiced Moop and Foop.
what does euphoric even mean anymore?
>Any of those
>Sakamoto directing Precure
I guess Toei already has Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya for two of those
>Pantyshots and shitty fanservice everywhere
Perfect being, pls go
How the fuck are any of those bad?
that's the joke.jpg
You, I like you.
If we get more of this, I'm all for it.
What about a detective story masquerading as Precure?
I'm imagining a magical girl detective conan now.
You heard right.
A Precure that never ends?
Minesweeper is coded so that you will never have a mine on first click
Shit that's not what I wanted to post.
This has to be a troll.
Tsubomi didn't earn shit.
Speaking of Samba Dinos, are Aigaron and Candelira kill yet?
>that still didn't stop me from occasionally finding a mine on the first click
How did I read that in his voice? After watching Dragon Ball Z so many times, I can't unhear his prideful voice constantly saying "My perfect body" again and again.
Aigaron went down like a bro. Candelira and Luckyuro are alive.
It's okay, anon. I'm sure you are not the only one who enjoys to gaze upon those delicious male bodies.
Who would win in a fight? Mana or Cell?
Ok, so there are two main cures. Cure Sherlock and Cure Marple, or something like that. The generals are orchestrating various crimes for them to solve, and there isn't much fighting.
Also, it should be dezaki as fuck. I'd like to see a Precure with a radically different style.
Cell can regenerate himself from fatal wounds.
And so can Mana:
>Who would win in a fight? Mana or
Nothing wrong with it, anon.
>Watashitachi wa futari de hitori no tantei/Precure !
Aigaron fell asleep and they buried him in the dirt to play a prank on him when we wakes up. ;_;
Thank you Anons, I will take this praise without hesitation.
>Shit that's not what I wanted to post.
Both are perfectly applicable
>still no raws
>This is what we'd be getting if Sakamoto directed Precure
>Also lots of leg shots
>>Sakamoto directing Precure
has he ever worked on anything anime related?
>The generals are orchestrating various crimes for them to solve, and there isn't much fighting.
Be careful what you wish for, man. Very careful. You might just get it.
I was basically describing this. I want something like this, but good instead of being the worst thing ever.
>Milky Holmes team will never work on a Precure
Do they get a version or marble screw?
what do you mean, Tsubomi definitely grew as a character over the course of Heartcatch
>First half is as good as the first 2 seasons
>Extra Cures are the no fun lolis
>Second half takes on the tone of alternative and the the worst thing ever
Man, Doki was such a good season. And that was such a good episode minus the big thing that literally ruins everything about it. I was defending the series the whole time but now I'm very conflicted. Not about the rest of the series, but holy shit that ending was bad. At least compared to my immediate imagination of what was going to happen. Why no Dark Mana? even if it's a short fight that's won by an asspull, that would have been at least not what they did. Or at least set up her revival in some way if that was going to happen.
What are you saying? The ending was completely and ridiculously over the top. Changing anything would dilute it and thus make it go back to bad.
I want a lazy pink that need to be spurred into action at first, eventually stumbling into her role as leader because everyone else on the team bickers amongst themselves too much.
>bully jock green
Reminds me of how we also got super close to Rikka becoming a jikochu early on, but the writers copped out of it.
Please stop this shit.
do think HaCha will be the first Precure series where they're going to have brainwashed Cures for the duration of the series?
I'm not sure how can you feel this way about the last episode and not seeing the same thing in almost every other episode too.
That's what it means for Mana to be a Sue and that's how she has been since the beginning. It was quite an obvious way to end this series, honestly.
Oh wow. So accurate.
> Lovely getting a movie form change, then dancing through the battlefield with explosions
> All while the HaCha opening plays in the background
Greatest love story never told
So the only pink archetype we haven't get yet is the "enjoying battle and smirk while fighting enemy" type?
>Joe is literally raising his wife
We Usagi Drop now.
She's the best. Fuck the haters.
Definitely 10th anniversary.
The 20th anniversary probably just slideshows.
How about you go fuck yourself?
How about you go fuck him instead?
That would be homosexual behavior, anon. Surely you don't want one of your comrades to conduct such a shameful thing?
>want to sleep
>too hyped about HaCha
>too scared because of panic attacks and some shitty Alien "documentary" show playing
I may not survive long enough for the 1st episode, due too poor health.
I guess I'm not ever leaving
Fap to something about aliens and you'll kill two stones with one bird.
Good bye, Mana.
Mana, don't leave.
Not really. The only other time was when she snapped herself out of the despair of Levi and Gula winning. Most of the time she has real support from her friends, and counted on them. It's just that they ruined that by making her not do so at critical moments.
I'm only really disappointed because I can't believe it's what they thought of for the fight. Mana losing at first and then being saved was an idea that could have worked, but the way they did it was done. If they really wanted to do it the way they did, they needed to give Mana an introspective scene. Even that wouldn't have been as good as the more obvious "rest of the team does something to save her" ending.
I don't even mind that she went on to solo the final boss. That was fine in my opinion. But the resurrection was just terrible. I was with Toei on the manajerking for a long time, frankly. It made sense that she was able to be so competent for most things, but literally bringing herself back to life was just too much for me. I can't think of a single audience that would think "I'm glad they didn't give any reason she could just wake up from being dead like that." Up until the finale, it was kind of a good message. "If you are genuinely kind, hard working, consistently capable of exerting great effort, and have a positive attitude about everything, your likelihood of success in life is much higher." but with the last episode it goes too far and makes it seem like it literally makes you invincible, which is dumb.
>Trump Kingdom and the human world are now merged
>the Cures are now super heroes
>new Cures from the Trump Kingdom world will join the team
>a new enemy appears and the cures have to defend the entire world
>HaCha takes places in the same setting, hence all the world wide Cure super heroes shit
This is all Mana's fault