Can you see the moment her heart breaks /a/?
No, I can't, because it's not broken.
>I'm not racist. It's just that niggers are generally dangerous.
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my angst.
Wait, what's happening?
I want to read this chapter!
Ishida pulling off a Kodaka.
You think you want to read it more than you actually want to read it.
it's hard being a pimp
when you can't answer a confession in the way that you want to
There are other pages?
can you see the moment her skull breaks /a/?
DID YOU SAY MOON? FUCK YEAH THE MOON IS SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
No, anon, I really want to read it, damn.
Shouko is trying to speak.
Yeah, last thread had full chinese. scans of the latest chapter.
Ok, your call. Chinkbro he's actually Thai! did his translation job, you can read it here: archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100889358/
Enjoy having your emotions toyed with.
No fucking way
why? why cant we just have a HEALING manga with friendship and problem fixing?
This entire thread is a ruse from people who read chinkmoon, right?
sometimes i wish for this too, why aren't there almost none of this kind?
Well, we'll find out when the marginally more accurate translation job comes out later. But probably not.
please tell me he did not really interpret 'you' as 'moon'
It´s something that only makes sense in Japanese.
probably because the manga's rating sunk
you mean FutureSpeak, right?
Anon, I love you. Thanks.
That's why i stopped at the one shot.
She can't speak properly
How could she speak some proper words if she's deaf?
Her voice is all fucked up, the fuckup makes more sense in Japanese, and when combined with Shouya's self-hatred there's no way he could think she said what she said.
Deaf people, with training and practice, can learn to speak, though if they were deaf their whole lives it's unlikely they'll sound good.
The question is how she could do it without her glasses on?
She got the ponytail to look more like Ueno
In Japanese you sounds similar to moon.
50 cent party plz go
Is this the new Kubo?
Is he a retard !!!!!!
In japanese, "suki desu" means "to like". "Tsuki desu" means "the moon". A deaf person probably can't distinguish between "su" and "tsu".
But seriously Shouya.
Originally it was supposed to be suki(like) into tsuki(moon)
you to yoon to moon is pushing it, I admit.
She's supposed to be talking really awkwardly,.
>Her voice is all fucked up, the fuckup makes more sense in Japanese, and when combined with Shouya's self-hatred there's no way he could think she said what she said.
I do remember the translator anon saying her voice was supposed to be awkward in that scene.
How should it be translated?
from "I like you"
Or should it just take the easy way and use TL notes, I mean, if it's anime I can see taking liberties but manga can manage with TL notes, IMO.
>50 cent party
I just read the chapter. I don't see the problem if there's romance. It was already obvious Shouko liked Ishida.
It's not like the topic of healing will be dropped.
I like how she is doing her best to act like a normal girl. Her being accepted and treated with respect by the one who bullied her, must be precious for Shouko. It will be interesting to see how both of them will be able to deal with these feelings. Shouya doesn't think to deserve Shouko, and probably Shouko doubts she can compete with a normal girl, like Ueno.
I couldn't hear you over how deaf you are.
>Because Ueno always wears pony tails amirite?
No, but it looks more similar
I can't even be angry
My soul has just been destroyed by her suffering
>"I'm sorry I don't understand you, can you use sign language instead?"
Goddamn Ishida, that's cold, even if unintentional.
Now time for Nishimiya to be awkward as fuck around him and even running away whenever she sees him, causing him to to fall back into depression mode and into Ueno's embrace.
I went over so many situations on how the next chapter would go. And damn did I get dissapointed (if this is real). Are we seriously prolonging the manga with these "misunderstandings"? Fcking japs.
holy fuck that's a nice Job.
50 cent for a comment? every 4channer would be a millionaire
Difficult one. At a stretch you could sort of mangle "I… love you" into something that sounds like "I… the full" and have him think she's talking about the full moon.
but she never resembles ueno
Unfortunately the pro-loli anti-job lobby doesn't have much economical backing
The problem is she straight up gets to the point "I like you".
TL notes seems like the best option.
50 chinese cents is about 8 US cents.
God damn Japan. Stop it already
Why the fuck is she even confessing at this point in the story anyway? Came out of nowhere.
Because she thinks Ueno will take him away again
It's not just japs, basically every romance in popular media has a bunch of MISUNDERSTANDINGS! It's an absolute piss easy way to add tension when your characters are otherwise too obviously suited for them to have trouble. What I don't understand is why the author felt the need for it here, Ishida and Shouya have plenty of interesting problems they could deal with without introducing random stupidity.
She has an excuse, being deaf.
What gets me though is she probably practiced for fucking ages to confess verbally to Ishida, to sound somewhat normal. She was probably nervous as fuck, especially after Ishida told her she sounded weird, but she still went through with it. She even gave him candy before confessing, which is several levels of adorable.
Then Ishida asks her to repeat herself, she does, Ishida asks her again, and then to use sign language. He shat all over her confession.
When he should have been able to understand from the context what she was telling him, a girl screams out your name, is blushing furiously and then says something like 'tsuki desu'. You should be able to connect the dots.
Where do you guys download the chapters? I can't find anything.
Why does she want to get together with her former rapist?
I dunno, that fight when they were kids already had all the hallmarks of the standard angry slap fight, pause, passionate kissing thing that happens in cheesy movies. Kids that "hate" each other often grow close as they get older.
The whole situation was super awkward, and they clearly weren't on the same page. I mean, just before she said that, Ishida was thinking about how he had no idea what was going on in her head, and how he wishes he could kill his younger self.
She always liked him
Except this is a legitimate understanding, see >>100918582
Link is in this thread.
Why? All he did was to bully her. Or she is a hard M?
>Bullying = Rape
Thanks for your insight, Tumblr-san.
Guess that means I was being raped all the way until the end of High School.
He is without a doubt a complete shitbird, but to be fair he was just in the middle of wishing he could kill his younger self, he was probably pretty checked out.
Anime by SHAFT when?
better "misunderstanding" would rather had just been the dude not sure if he actually can be with her considering their past, even if she was ok with it. Not this bs "what, I think I heard you wrong". And if this means Ueno is still in the game, I think I will actually drop this. Had enough bs with Nisekoi umi no misaki etc etc. Cant we actually have normal relationship with interesting problems.
Yes, they wanted to suck your dick but you were too slow no realize.
>She even gave him candy before confessing, which is several levels of adorable.
Was it really candy? I thought he noticed it wasn't.
I want to know what those were.
It's not random stupidity. He made a huge effort to learn the sign language and make her hear his voice.
Similarly, he made a huge effort to learn to speak normally and make him hear her voice.
I'm sorry you can't appreciate such a delicate development. The fact he didn't understand her it's not a shitty and generic misunderstanding; it's actually very painful because it shows how, despite her efforts, she wasn't able to make Shouya hear her voice.
It showed to the readers how there's still this barrier between them, besides Shouya's sense of guilt.
That's kids for you.
It's probably something cheesy like she sees him as somebody who was always capable of speaking his mind without caring what the others think about him.
Yuzuru will go beat the shit out of Shouya in the next chapter, right?
Whups, meant to say "Kimi no Iru Machi"
JUST KISS HER YOU FOOL!
It will probably turns out that she and Sahara watched the entire thing from afar. And a grinning Ueno too.
NO FUCKING WAY GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
I hope so.
Link to raw thread? Archive is slow as shit for me today.
With Broccoli and Sahara right behind her.
I don't think she always liked him, but he was the first one to make her react with anger.
So, he had a huge impact in her life, besides the bullying.
She is mature enough to understand he was only a kid at that time, and she felt guilty to be different and ruin the lessons to the other people.
After some years, this guy who changed her life, someway, goes to her, and he shows her how he sincerely regrets for his past actions. He learned the sign language for her. He saved her precious notebook twice, and the first one was when he was still a kid, showing how he had started to regret his bad behaviour since that time. He acts kind and cool. She enjoys his attentions. He's also good looking. She starts to be attracted to him. It's well developed and sweet.
>I'm sorry you can't appreciate such a delicate development.
All of the things you said about what the scene demonstrates are true though. That said, I stand by it being stupid for him to just go "huh? what did you say?" You could have the exact same development with him being slightly aware of how awkward it is for him not to understand her and it would avoid that hugely common cliche. It's not the end of the world that it's cliched, and there's a reason cliches exist, but media doesn't exist in a vacuum.
>Similarly, he* made a huge effort to learn to speak normally and make him hear her voice.
She, I meant.
The point isn't that it's not cliched, because it is, the point is that the cliche actually makes sense here.
And why isn't there some kind of button for adding accent marks to letters on this keyboard?
You're right that it makes more sense than usual here, but I think it also would make sense for him to be at least somewhat aware that saying it would hurt her feelings. He literally realised he was being insensitive a few pages earlier.
I know it's cliched, but this author has made a good job to clear misunderstandings quite fast. I still believe.
If he didn't understand her how else would he know what she said? Options are ignore her or ask her to repeat herself.
And I was talking about my keyboard. Should be a button for that shit, we need it in English too, though rarely.
Damn it, I am so fkcing mad right now!
Afraid to continue to read this since it's probably just gonna end up being more misunderstandings and Ueno drama action.
Just checked the archive. God damn it he has got to ask broccoli for advice. Or his mom. Or just do whatever the Imoubro says.
Wait, if he had listened to her clearly and accepted, wouldn't that mean the end and we wouldn't be able to get more Shouko reaction faces?
Even if you're going to try to translate it, I think this needs TL notes just in case.
Somehow all the artwork in this looks postrape. I don't know, I think it's the way she holds herself. It's to be expected I guess
Hate this kind of development all you want, but don't act like the confession should have gone successfully at any point. Ishida's current personality right now wouldn't even allow him to consider the idea that Shouko was in love with him, he's had enough trouble convincing himself that she even thinks of him as a friend.
I'm more annoyed that there was a confession this early, it just feels rushed.
>All of the things you said about what the scene demonstrates are true though.
if you admit it, you shouldn't consider it a generic misunderstanding. And yeah, it was a delicate development. Do you prefer a dragged romance? She tried to express her feelings without your typical dragging in romance manga, but her drama was her voice couldn't be understood. So yeah, it was a delicate development, that moved me a bit.
>That said, I stand by it being stupid for him to just go "huh? what did you say?" You could have the exact same development with him being slightly aware of how awkward it is for him not to understand her and it would avoid that hugely common cliche. It's not the end of the world that it's cliched, and there's a reason cliches exist, but media doesn't exist in a vacuum.
How is this cliche? you should consider the context. He misunderstands because they are speaking different languages, basically. It's painful, as I said. It's not your generic romance main male character who doesn't understand because he is dense. He is depressed as fuck, he was lost in his inner turmoil, and he wasn't able to hear her voice, because despites her efforts, she failed. Poor girl.
Just read that "moon" moment.
I'll kill you Ishida.
I swear to god, I will tear through the fabric of time and space and hurl myself at this one world of white and black from the infinite possibilities of universes just so I can stab you in the dick.
>not realizing this exists solely to piss off readers
I'm not saying he shouldn't ask her to repeat herself, but that there should be some indication he's not just completely oblivious. As it is, he's acting exactly like Kodaka going "eh, nandatte?" Which makes him seem unrealistically dense.
He'll still have to deal with his so-call friends.
HAHAHAHA. . .
Guys, why won't the tears stop?
Because she has a hard to understand voice.
I want her to get Yuzu to help her take 3 pictures. She texts Ishida saying she has something important to tell him. Then texts him the signs for I Like You.
Get for next chapter, where she sees him with Ueno and the misunderstandings just keep on going.
You're pointing out that it's a relevant and important misunderstanding because she had difficulty speaking, and I'm saying that that fact should be part of the actual scene. In other words, instead of him simple mishearing her (which is a standard cliche), he could have been aware of it being awkward. That way it makes it something they can deal with as cogent characters. Him just not hearing her means it's something they have to deal with as being a misunderstanding.
How the things went, was more painful for Shouko.
I think her drama works better this way.
Read the thread. I'm not gonna hunt it down for you on my phone. It's here somewhere.
Bored, so here it is.
Seems like it's really important for Nishimiya to confess in her own voice. So it seems anything simple like a text message is out, wonder if she's going to awkwardly run away from him every time they run into each other from now on until sisbro, sahara, and Bro-Culli stage an intervention.
Does "legitimate " matter or not for the audience? Hell the poser boy for nandatte, Kodaka, is doing it on purposes?
>I'm more annoyed that there was a confession this early, it just feels rushed.
yeah this. i knew i was coming but i was kinda hoping it would be chapter 35 or so at least.
>As it is, he's acting exactly like Kodaka going "eh, nandatte?"
Except Shouko really did fuckup what she said because deafspeak and whatnot.
I don't feel like the confession was rushed personally, but I do agree there is no possibility of Ishida accepting the confession right now.
Or rather even if he accepted the confession, things would have quickly ended in disaster.
It's better for Ishida and Nishimiya in the long run that this confession be Mooned. At the very least, Nishimiya took a large step forward this chapter. (before being mind broken)
Uh yeah, it matters for the audience since it portrays the characters in a different light.
Kodaka did it on purpose, although I'm not sure what exactly those questions are asking.
Sorry was running off to diner and didn't change the punctuation from a previous wording.
WHERE IS THE FUCKING HEALING?!?!?!! ALL I HAVE READ IS MORE SUFFERING WHY
Shit happened too early and there's no way it's going to be cleared up all hunky dory next chapter. Fucking misunderstandings , how i hate you yet i can never seem to look away.
Also still waiting for this smug asshole to show up. he better make all the generic delinquents with ahego sex slut syringes in my ntr mango look like fucking boy scouts or I'm going to be severely disappointed.
No anon you don't want ot read it
Until the next chapter comes out. Or until the scanslated translations come out.
Koe no Katachi threads (not the new chapter dump editions though) tend to have little to no images
This god dark fast.
What sort of images would you like, anon?
Don't like suffering? Have I got a manga for you!
Well that's why he asked her to do it in sign language anon. This is an actual misunderstanding. Seriously all of you are overreacting.
I WAS IN THE THREAD AN HOUR AGO ANON-KUN. MAGI, SORA NO OTOSHIMONO AND NOW THIS. WHEN WILL THE HEALING START?!
A++ reading comprehension.
I want to get off Mr Alibaba suffering ride
I have your answer young one.
Hey guys, what are you talking about?
And I had just bought the fucking tankobons for this series too.
Although the author deserves it after the legal shit she went through to get this published
god I want to kill everyone in this thread
Forget what /a/ thinks about TL notes being bad.
This is a very good case where it's going to be needed.
Disappearence's 'Yuki' also needed a TL note. Deal with it.
ThunderCloud originally shoop'd something else on the flacon. What was it?
Link to raw?
Damm, she confessed already.
care to explain?
>Mom sucked dick so they can somewhat live in the favelas
>His childhood friend tried to kill him
>Country has a bigger debt than America
>Let China have full control of their country
>Got rejected by an African slave
No anon I need to finish this accursed manga.
...Well gee anons, whats next? Meet dog?
Wow 50 cents? that's more then I get for pumping up kyoani on this board.
>Koe no Katachi received an award for "Best Rookie Manga" in 2008. The vector of the content made it difficult for publication on any manga magazine until it was picked up after months of legal dispute by the February edition of Bessatsu Shounen Magazine, where it won first place. Due to the subject matter, the serialization has been reviewed and supported by the Japanese Federation of the Deaf. The first volume sold 31,714 copies within the first week of release, ranking number 19 on the Oricon manga chart. Its second volume ranked 12 selling 60,975 in its first week.
I don't know much more than that
Dang, it's been that long since the one-shot got posted here.
But I love you anon..
but then..love is desperate
She confessed, he thought she meant something else since she was talking rather than signing, and he would never think she would like him. She books it embarrassed, sayings she meant moon
>Either will have to love chinese princess or commit bestiality with said african slave.
>Chinese princess who is mindcontrolled by a former bro
Does this mean that you love me, anon?
Well..love is desperate
Did you forget the one shot already anon?
I can't wait for the shit storm when Mein dies a death worse than those three.
Dammit anon, you weren't supposed to actually post it... I'm impressed how Mein winning has made it surprisingly absent from the threads recently.
Who wanted some suffering?
They'll start dating soon right?
When do we get ear sex
Here you go
Ishida likely heard what she said, but just refused to believe it and will be fighting an inner battle against his self confidence and guilt, when she will eventually comfort him, forgive him, and confirm her feelings. Then comes the hand-holding
It will be the Greatest Love Story Ever Told
What? Hating moon? Why?
No because he gets stabbed to death by an anonymous middle aged woman instead
Her mother is not anonymous.
so when do people start dying? who will die first?
I bet it will be yuzuru
I bet it will be you, anon
>Akame ga Kill is not a trash manga like mirai nikki or dead man wonderland, I swear.
Hows a dog supposed to eat someone if they are covered in clothes anon
>mfw he dates Deaf girl
Is new chapter out and translateed yet?
did you know dog have penises?
My jaw is now sore from clenching it too hard and for too long in anger.
Still better than Nisekoi. Imagine the guy falling asleep on the bicycle.
>girl is deaf
>guy has narcolepsy
The perfect couple
Oh the delicious drama and the awkwardness. Can't wait to see that smug asshole to get ripped.
> Still no teacher.
this chapter was too cute
maybe he genuinely didn't hear her. Him being far and her not talking properly
yeah but it was still crushing
The teacher is the only character in the series who doesn't deserve a shot at redemption.
Faggot needs to end up a MADAO and kill himself Asano style: dirty, messy, merciless, horrible.
How about some suffering music?
I learned some sign language, now where can I find a deaf girl to woo and fuck.
>That fucking lazy teacher
He's one of the worst teachers I've ever seen in manga. The author should left that guy forgotten and rot in hell.
Holy fuck, Shouko's adorable as fuck with a ponytail.
Let that be her hairstyle from now on, PLEASE.
Braids are cool too.
have you tried hanging out around schools for the deaf?
I'm listening to this entire thing in commemoration of chapter 23.
You mean like a pedophile and a elementary school?
What are you 50 years old.
>YFW what Nishimiya meant when she said she had given up once before, was that she had given up on finding love.
Is she trying to actually speak out her confession and this mother fucker is "what was that? I can't understand what your saying"
He needs more suffering
Next week Ueno tries to confess.
Then next volume Kawaii time.
hear me out. how would you react if the story developes this way?
these two will not end up being together. this is the first time nishimiya has experienced any sort of positive relation with a boy her age. she is very naive and obviously quick to latch on something new and exciting.
sure, they might start going out, but she might come to realize in later chapters that shouya might never get over his little wallowing act. and so, to benefit him and her, she distances herself so he may one day forget and move on and she may find someone who will provide a better emotional balance.
If anyone had my bet to be the unrepentant one it would be Kawaii, she was always there, and she at least pretends to be a decent person.
I'd much rather them move on to new things like developing their relationship, struggles are already there.
>"Sorry, feel asleep for a second there."
I'll kill you anon
Looks like my suspicions are confirmed. Ishida is hard of hearing as well, and was just too dumb to realize it before.
well he is dumb, he realized about the whole table and board thing too late
I'm sold. We can make a movie about it, and call it 5cm per second.
I'm going he talks to his sister or something next chap and she's just going "you dense bastard". Then makes him do something nice for her. Yuzu will most likely ask her sis what happened when she sees her. This will all get sorted out.
I'm happy enough to know that she legitimately likes the guy. I'm just worried that Ishida might get stolen before she gets another chance.
Something that stupid would never happen...
Anon. He likes her. We've seen this. Like when he wanted her cell number. He just can't bring himself to admit it. But the second Yuzu can get it through his thick head she's happiest with him and he wants nothing more than to make her smile? Yuzu just has to keep egging them on.
> this is the first time nishimiya has experienced any sort of positive relation with a boy her age.
>she is very naive and obviously quick to latch on something new and exciting.
so what you're saying is that she will end up with Jamal-kun
I really hope Ueno will find a way.
She already lost. She'll probably become a good friend but until she apologizes to broccoli and as long as Yuzu helps them out she's gonna lose.
Her only chance is to help Shouya get therapy.
When's the english scan coming out?
Usually two days after. Then later we get quality translations from futari.
Nishimiya gets her virginity taken and endsup clingy.Shouko gets freaked out, and breaks up. Nishimiya goes all yandere and axe murders Shouko and his family.
You need to reread the manga and get their names right.
You fucking nigger-loving cunt. I'll eat your heart and spit in your ass.Don't you ever tell me what to fucking do.
I had to look up what the fuck a flacon is.
WAIT WHAT MANGO IS THIS I WANNA READ ABOUT GIRLS GETTING THEIR VIRGINITY CLAIMED AND THEN MURDERING THE CLAIMER AND HIS FAMILY
You wish. While this is happening, Ueno ofc confesses to him and more missunderstanding on the way.
but with a cute deaf girl!
Ueno a shit.
>"I heard you perfectly!"
It's for the best. Shouya knows she deserves better than him, he's making amends after all.
This is what would happen in real life, I'd be impressed if they followed through with it. I'd be even more impressed if Shouya realizes that it's bad for Shouko to get attached to him and distances himself while still trying to help her. Maybe he could set her up with boys he approves of.
Who is Kodaka?
>tfw I'm an Uenofag and can taste the delicious tears of Shoukofags from the newest chapter
Life is good. Until she inevitably loses, that is. ;_;
That means 'what did you say' according to google, so I guess Kodaka is a guy who doesn't pay attention to confessions?
Goddamn, I can really relate to Shouya hating his younger self.
Nishimiya should just kiss him
But if she does how will get Nishimiya's reaction to Ueno stealing Shouya's first kiss?
Seriously, and it's going to be getting a lot worse for Ali.
He's going to die before anything happens with anyone. The world is going to turning against him more so than usual now, and he'll end up fighting his old friends anyway. So no time for happiness.
CCC Anime never.
The MC from Haganai, he pretends to not hear a confession from a girl he is very interested in because them becoming a couple would destroy the relationship of their whole group of friends that he spent so much time building.
Anon. It's despair.
>What is the Butterfly Effect
According to a translator the other day, she spoke in very broken japanese. Maybe he could figure it out of context, but it sounded more similar to moon than like you.
Reading this is suffering
It reminds me of that one comic where a kid with crutches gets a pet dog by his mom but it's missing a leg which reminds of himself and he starts berating it and treating it bad like MC
MC cries that even a dog is able to get over the fact that its handicapped and all it cares is about having a good time even if the master is beating him
I want to read this again
Wow, what a little shit.
Who feels sympathy for the kind of shit that abuses animals.
Did he mishear her or is really pulling Kodaka?
Pretty sure he didn't hear her well.
> tfw thze night after he suddenly get what she was trying to say.
Tsuki > Suki.
As Ishida himself said, she can't speak very well, and suki and tsuki are similar.
You mean, sora's confession?
>Kiss on the first chapter
Fuck this is Nisekoi all over again, dropped.
Shit even shitty shonen like AgK have decent humane protag, why most series can't?
>This is what faggots actually believe
Not everybody is a whore who wants to exchange saliva with you
>Defending this shit
Protip: Confessing, kissing, fucking ain't the end of the line.
Guess heterofag like you don't understand that eh? Considering how shitty most hetero romance series is.
He undestood she said "suki" but he double-checked to be sure because in his mind there is no way she would like him.
Thai translator fag here, just browsed through 2ch KnK thread. Apparently guys on 2ch read chinese scan too. I will post the script here
石田(西宮……！ お おお ポニーテール!!)
｢お あー ぐーぜん！家帰んの？お腹まだ痛い？｣(イメージチェンジしてる…)
石田｢あ あ ちょっと待って？手話 手話｣(どうしたんだろ)
硝子｢(手話で)私 声 変？｣
｢あ ごめん 全然大丈夫だし!!｣
｢あ んじゃ 俺 行くわ｣
｢……？ …お礼？ 悪いね……！ ありがと！ 見ていい？｣
(なんだ これ… あめ？ あっ 違う)
｢いやあ気に入ったよ ありがとう (マジでなんだろ これ) じゃ｣
怖いのか？あいつのことを知るのが 知っていたらきっと いや必ず 小6の自分に ……
あ～～ 殺したい 昔の自分… あいつさえ いなければ
硝子｢いちぃ だ く――｣
石田｢あ…!? な なんか言った？｣
石田｢え ごめん わかんなかった 手話使えよ｣
>Ishida told her before that she doesn't talk very well
>She isn't used to talking
>tsuki (moon) and suki (like) sound similar
>He told her to repeat because he didn't understand
>He has very low self-esteem and was hating himself a page ago before the confession, the chances of him expecting that Shouko likes him are 0
>Dragging shit out
I rather they be a couple and then examine the difficulty of dating people with disabilities.
But nooo gotta pander to you pathetic otaku hetfag who never had and could never had relationship.
>I rather they be a couple and then examine the difficulty of dating people with disabilities.
KnK isn't about Nishimiya and her deafness. It's about Shouya and his guilt.
1. In her first try Nishimiya said 「う きぃ」which is ever worse than tsuki, no wonder Ishida couldn't understand what she was saying
2. 硝子は凍りつく表情を振り払うようにぶんぶんうなずく, and so it means Nishimiya was nodding in the last scene, not shaking head.
What the fuck are you even on about
He doesn't feel bad because she's deaf retard
He doesn't want to get attached because of all the shit he put her through
>Ishida being dense as fuck
>all those spaghetti
god fucking dammit
More like "Moe no Katachi", right?
The nodding was probably because she gave up in clearing the misunderstanding that moment.
Well, at least Ishida wasn't at fault for not understanding what the fuck she said.
How is this forced?
For all the shit /a/ said about harem series, you fags really love dragged out drama.
Refer to >>100959519
It makes sense why would that happen.
She is fucking deaf, probably since birth. How can you call forced having trouble to understand her?
Cliched is different from forced, isn't it?
And cliched doesn't really matter if there's an actual reason it should be happening.
Forced ≠ cliche
It's about the difficulty of communication and healing.
The communication is why this confession failed. It's why Ueno's confession failed. It's why no one ever told him sorry (till now). It's why Nishimiya was bullied. It's why his mom didn't know he was suicidal.
It's about the saying and not what is said. He needs to speak and open himself up so that he can be healed.
He's obviously not ready to get healed by this point. Or, rather, healing is a long process and isn't over yet. Which, in particular, lead to wrong interpretation of Nishimiya's words.
>just browsed through 2ch KnK thread.
so what do the japs think of the latest chapter? are they raging at shouya as well or do they love this shit?
Just catching up to new chapters.
Oh god Brocolli. I'm so sorry.
Being BROcolli is suffering.
I hope he get's a good ending.
She was so damn cute this chapter, my heart
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
WHA THE FUCK IS HER PROBLEM
I feel bad for Shouko, I really do but I can't hold all of this laughter.
Shouko's fault. She should have confessed before evening.
Isn't "the moon is beautiful tonight." is souseki paraphrasing to " i love you?
Goddess Yuzuru. Making the healing happen.
Now I don't know who's the bigger bro.
BROcolli or Yuzuru?
Too bad English lacks the nuance of Japanese when it comes do things like this. People will think this is the new Rage Town.
Brocolli is worse than Griffith. Yuzuru is pure love and compassion.
I think I just lost one of my hearts to internal bleeding.
Jesus, they are adorable together.
>Ishida: does your sister has some thing for the moon?
>Yuzuru: Tsuki ... tsukki ... suki
She is the goddess of healing.
Stop it, Buggy.
I saw a lot of 石田爆発しろ, so yes, some sort of not-so-serious raging. Their reaction is more or less the same as what I have seen from here. Though they did bring out something that I didn't see here.
They concern with what Nishimiya was thinking at the moment, and why she liked Ishida at all. They think Nishimiya was probably got threatened by the presence of Ueno which forced her to make a stance.
Another point of interest, I saw someone said that both Ueno and Nishimiya are necessary for Ishida to overcome his past. He needs to learn how to be forgiven from Nishimiya, and how to forgive others from Ueno.
Yet another point, Ishida is always struggling with his past even when Nishimiya doesn't mention at all. You can clearly see this when Ishida was thinking about trying kill his past self. But all Nishimiya wants to do is to carry on for the future and get impregnated.
This is the song I listen to whenever I read this manga.
She just got her heart broken. She's not really acting logically.
She hasn't talked to him for like several years right? What heart broken.
Fucking kids and their crazy emotions that don't make sense.
Seriously is this kind of thinking could be call racist?
Where can I get the newest chapter? Mangahere doesn't have it.
He's talking about best girl m8, are you deaf?
I'm lazy, so here you go:
>they met again she tried to bound with him by being a bully like they used to.
But then she discovers Ishida is now a mature person who is actually regretful and seeking redemption for all the trouble he caused, while she is still a shallow person.
>So she break down in tears after being rejected both in love and as a person, and yet Ishida is just rejecting her with his red cross.
>Anticipation of new chapters is merely fear of things getting even worse now
My thoughts exactly.
Whenever I see a new chapter:
>Oh fuck, here we go again...
We don't have any proof she's a shallow person. Yeah she's kind of a bitch, not everyone who's a bitch is shallow.
Also it wasn't even his rejection of her as a person which from her perspective was better than his feigned mild indifference, she was just really heartbroken romantically.
>excusing a bitch's psychotic behaviour
How low have you fallen /a/.
Also, to anyone calling Ueno the best girl - that's not how you spell Yuzuru.
Adults are talking, go to a waifu thread.
I actually liked how Broccoli took only a few moments to get his shit together and turn the tables on her.
yfw it ends with Broccoli x Yuzuru
If we ever get a live action adaption of this, make this guy play Broccoli.
Yeah, I was impressed too.
Though he was pretty shaken afterwards. He's going to have some PTSD now regarding confessions.
>turn the tables on her.
Yeah, pathetic obvious lies and shaking are "turning the tables on her"
Yuzuru is too pure for Brocolli.
The only answer is Yuzuru x Shouko.
Well, it totally frustrated her nonetheless.
mmh, no, she just kept bullying him like she was doing before his reaction.
>excusing bullying and being a bitch with pop child psychology and over analyzing,
I wonder how awkward it will be the next time the 2 of them hang around with Shouya at the same time. Maybe Ueno will act dere, but her whole approach seems to be "If I act like a dick I'll receive the dick"
That wasn't bullying, she realized that Ishida is totally going to know about this incident and lost her shit.
>it's not bullying
Can you be more delusional? Please?
But don't forget that it was Broccoli who set Yuzuru straight with some collar grabbing and old man dick therapy.
No it wasn't. It was Shuoko frowning at her.
Are you actually reading the manga or just glancing over the images?
It wasn't bullying though, it was harassment.
Bullying is done for malicious pleasure, not out of anger or desperation.
Okay, so when she "harasses" everyone we've seen her interact with so far, what do you call that? "not bullying"?
Yeah, just describing her evident motivations reactions is excusing.
>with pop child psychology and over analyzing,
That was just what happened in that chapter, it doesn't matter if you don't like it or if that doesn't interest you. Again, just go yo a waifu thread.
Anyway, that's >>100963641 what I call excusing bullying.
>Hurrr she lost her shit so that wasn't bullying durrr.
Dude, I hope you are trolling.
Yeah, just describing her evident motivations is excusing.
>with pop child psychology and over analyzing,
That was just what happened in that chapter, it doesn't matter if you don't like it or if that doesn't interest you. Again, just go to a waifu thread.
Anyway, that's >>100963641 what I call excusing bullying:
>Hurrr she lost her shit so that wasn't bullying durrr.
Dude, I hope you are trolling.
That's just idiotic nitpicking.
Magi: the labyrinth of suffering.
>Shows positive deaf character.
>Deaf people can have friends/romance full lives etc.
>IT HAS A DEAF PERSON IN IT BAN IT
I hate everything, everyone and...AGFHUIJSI
It's not nitpicking, lrn2 the definition of bullying. It's not about who uses violence, it's about who is imposing dominance. In Ueno's case, she really wasn't in that position when she tried to shake Ishida's e-mail out of Broccoli.
Back in school, we verbally abused a guy until he snapped and beat us with a metal chair; our injuries were far more severe but it was still us who were bullies.
So it's not bulling until the victim snaps?
Nice definition moron.
Yeah, I can't bully someone to make him do something for me, because he's clearly the dominant alpha male there!
>Back in school, we verbally abused a guy until he snapped and beat us with a metal chair; our injuries were far more severe but it was still us who were bullies.
Guys, as >>100964147 said, the only bully here is Broccoli, so stop bitching.
>the only bully here is Broccoli,
>So it's not bulling until the victim snaps?
Where did I say that? Do you even read what you're replying to?
It's bullying when you're dominating another person through physical or verbal abuse for self-satisfaction. The imbalance of strength (not just physical) is the crucial thing here.
>Yeah, I can't bully someone to make him do something for me,
The point is, Ueno realized that Broccoli *won't* do anything for her. Shaking him was clearly a desperation act. Can it still be bullying from Broccoli's standpoint? Maybe. From Ueno's standpoint? It was clearly her loss.
>The imbalance of strength (not just physical) is the crucial thing here.
No it's not. What are you even talking about?
Now when I think about it, how did Broccoli get her phone number?
You are delusional. I don't feel like arguing with that level of stupidity.
I'm talking about the dictionary definition of bullying.
But then, given how 4chan uses words like "pretentious" or "botnet", it's probably pointless to argue.
>One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power.
Just noticed something after re-reading the last chapter
Was Yuzuru reading from a script?
If this is the case she probably already knew about the confession and setting this up for Shouko
More like you have nothing constructive to reply.
>erception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power
>Don't touch me with your dirty hands!!
>she thinks her's are clean and pure
>A stump pig chasing after skirts!! Who would like someone like you!!
>she thinks she's better than him
Later in the next chapter.
>Curly haired pig ... only people the old you would never hang out with with
Also hits BROcolli.
She clearly thinks has a perception of social imbalance between her and the ones Shouya treasures.
You are a faggot.
Just noticed something after re-reading the last chapter
Was Yuzuru reading from a script?
If this is the case she probably already knew about the confession and setting this up for Shouko
Good catch, I didn't notice that!
She really is going to be pissed after Shouko tells her what happened.
That was obviously a bullying attempt, but look at the next pages: he is totally shaken at first, but then firmly states that he's not going to make her pursuit of Ishida any easier. This is where she loses the feeling of dominance and resorts to shaking him, and in the end gets nothing and clearly feels agitated about it. That's what >>100963253 was origianlly about.
Good catch man.
Yuzuru best sis of the year.
He barely stopped himself from falling apart, she was the dominating one the whole time.
And then he run like a butch.
All of this is for Brocolli movie.
Yuzuru, our goddess of healing.
>All of this is for Brocolli movie.
WHAT A TWEST
what about a brocolli movie?
Well, he obviously couldn't fight her or her friends that appeared at the end. The point is that even though Broccoli nearly shat himself, in the end he escaped with some dignity intact, while she accomplished nothing and definitely felt defeated.
BROcolli is making a movie for the festival.
Yuzuri is clearly holding a script and reading lines from it.
Meaning, BROcolli arranged the meeting between Shuoko and Shouya for his movie. He is the evil mastermind.
But is this from the Japanese raws our Japanese to Chinese to Japanese?
JCJ scans were floating around on share last chapter
So? She still was bullying him. Shame goes for how she treated Shuoko.
I thought she was hiding bread in the first one and then reading her phone on the second (to find out where Shouko is through GPS? )
You are saying it like whether it was bullying or not depends on how the victim reacted and whether they were trying to stand up for themselves.
It doesn't. You are a moron.
so the confession was fake?
Why is Sahara wearing high heels? Doesn't Japan have a stigma about tall women?
I wouldn't say that. It might have been true. It was just arranged in such way so BROcolli can record it.
>It isn't bullying if " in the end he escaped with some dignity intact"
I can't stop laughing.
Just because the victim resisted doesn't mean it wasn't bullying.
Are you seriously this stupid?
>with some dignity intact
>baawwww please, someone help me, a girl is being meanie, bawww
If you try to bully someone but end up failing to assert dominance, it's not bullying anymore, it's just plain abuse. It loses >>100964819.
That's not the point.
The point is that it doesn't matter how the victim reacted. It's still bullying.
He did not give in to her demands, though.
Oh my fucking god, how fucking stupid are you? Please stop posting.
Sure, I was just pointing out that even that sentence doesn't make sense, the other posters already said the rest.
I don't see you making any sensible arguments other than "lol you're stupid".
>He did not give in to her demands, though.
So if someone started to beat you up and told you to, for example, strip naked and do something humiliating, and you refused, but they kept beating you, or hell, you even run away, it somehow magically wasn't bullying?
>You are saying it like whether it was bullying or not depends on how the victim reacted and whether they were trying to stand up for themselves.
Have you read my post?
Or this one:
Or this one:
Or this one:
Enlighten us, how >>100965765 isn't making sensible arguments, you deluded moron.
If they desperately wanted to see me naked, and I know that I deprived them of it and made them feel defeated, there's some self-satisfaction in that.
>whether it was bullying or not depends on how the victim reacted
Yes, obviously. If you try to abuse someone, they don't react in the way you wanted, and you're left with a feeling of failure (and they possibly have some self-satisfaction from depriving you of pleasure), it isn't bullying, it's a failed attempt at bullying.
You are a retard. I've had enough arguing with you. There's no way to talk any sense into you.
"I can't stop laughing" is hardly a compelling argument.
You know, the fact that your posts are hilarious doesn't delete the first sentence of that post.
Anyway, that's all, enjoy your amusing idiocy.
Once in school, that one guy started picking on me because I was short and had funny ears. So I used a throw I recently learned in the martial arts class. MAN, IT FELT SO GOOD TO BE BULLIED.
Who is the bully in this Internet argument?
Master of tautologies and ad hominem?
Did you use your ninjutsu on him too.
Regardless. Doesn't matter if someone retaliated. Bullying is bullying.
>it isn't bullying, it's a failed attempt at bullying.
So, failed or successful, you finally got that here >>100963641 >>100963815 >>100963833 you wrote a lot of shit. Good for you.
yes, bullying is not bullying if you fight back the same way a robbery is not a robbery if you stop it.
morons, I'm surrounded by morons.
Usually, the victim is considered to be the one who gets butthurt and resorts to petty personal insults. But this is not tumblr, so being a victim yields you no compassion.
>a robbery is not a robbery if you stop it.
Yes, it's called an attempted robbery. Just like it's not murder if the victim stops you from killing him. Do you even law?
Nice moving the goalpost and backtracking there.
I'm done here. You are just sad.
>It never comes up again.
>The manga ends with them being friends.
Attempted robbery is still robbery the same way a burned pancake is still a pancake.
That doesn't even make sense. You can't serve a burned pancake.
Get out of here kiddo, smart people are debating the definition of words.
It's actions which are to be punished, not thoughts or intentions.
>So I used a throw I recently learned in the martial arts class.
And Broccoli tried to lie, called help like a sissy 5 years old, shook like a leaf in front of her, run away like a traumatized child, kept shaking for entire days, and kept running away when He see Ueno.
MAN, FAILED ATTEMPTS AT BULLYING FELT SO GOOD.
Just stop embarassing yourself, idiot, that's enough.
>You can't serve a burned pancake.
Maybe in a restaurant. If I burned it I would probably eat it because I don't like wasting food.
Also, it's still a pancake.
>screaming insults at them
>being contemptuous of their person
>HURR DURR ITS NOT BULLYING BECAUSE HE DIDN"T CRY LIKE A BITCH IN FRONT OF HER
Stop, just stop. There were both intentions and actions.
So, mybully used to bullyme. So now I beatup his kid since I can't beat himup. It feels so good.
>>HURR DURR ITS NOT BULLYING BECAUSE HE DIDN"T CRY LIKE A BITCH IN FRONT OF HER
I never implied anything beyond what I said. You aren't talking to a single person.
Fine, doesn't change the fact that she showed both the intention and actions of a bully.
He asserted that he's going to fuck up her attempts at reaching Ishida, which definitely hurt her. So it was far from one-sided.
The problem with "bullying" is that it's defined through intentions and thoughts, which are really hard to determine. So I'd say that she was being a bitch, which she clearly was, and end this redundant discussion.
>Bullying by anonymous:
>if it doesn't destroy you it can't be called bullying.
>If you don't do what the bully wants, he isn't bulling you.
And was left in emotional turmoil, which is entirely unlike a bully.
And this doesn't change that she bullied him.
Oh, so now a bully is not a bully if he's not a psychopath without emotions. Okay.
The nitpicker is still shitposting?
>implying bullies don't have conflicting emotions and are nothing but pure evil with no remorse or empathy
An abuser is not a bully if he's not deriving any satisfaction from the act of abuse.
She attempted to, but it backfired and hurt her confidence instead.
You are a moron.
One can be a bully purely because their peers are bullies too towards a specific person.
>She attempted to bully him, but it backfired and hurt her confidence instead, so it was not bullying.
>She attempted to murder him, but it backfired and hurt her confidence instead, so it wasn't murder.
No, that's called being a victim of peer pressure.
If the victim survived (even if barely) and you're now feeling that you're a failure of a killer? Yeah, I'd say it wasn't murder.
Not him but where do you draw the line?
Is every act of violence bullying? Is it only if it's between teenagers?
No, that's called being a victim of peer pressure AND a bully.
>feeling that you're a failure of a killer
Being a murderer, or even an attempted murderer is not dependent on how the culprit feels afterwards.
Fucnk this, I'm done.
She clearly though she was above him(she said so herself) and because of that she felt that it was alright to attack him and insult him publicly.
And then she did the same to Shuoko because of the same reasons.
But to you that's not bullying?
>Being a murderer, or even an attempted murderer is not dependent on how the culprit feels afterwards.
No, but there's a HUGE difference between the prison sentence you could receive for attempted murder with clear remorse, and for unrepentant actual murder.
I agree with you're point anon but that last analogy is fucked up. I'd give you 0 points and tell you to leave the stage in a formal debate.
In both cases I would call the person a murderer.
>I want your money to eat something today, so it's somewhat important to me.
>I bully the shit out of you to get your money
>You run away like a bitch after some hard bullying, sadly I don't get your money.
>outcome: I didn't get the money, I won't eat today, but I still bullied the shit out of you.
>Your hilarious point of view: HE DIDN'T BULLY ME MOM, B-B-BECAUSE HE WON'T EAT ANYTHING TODAY BAAHAHAH. (don't worry mom, I will stop shaking after some weeks, now excuse me but I must shut myseld into a room).
She didn't attempt, she properly bullied him from any definition.
It was clearly bullying at first. Then Broccoli got his shit together, if even a little, while she became increasingly bothered that she was messing up her chances with Ishida, so it was still abuse but without clear dominance from her, just desperately shouting stupid insults.
Too bad the law doesn't agree.
She probably signed 'suki desu', which he interpreted as 'tsuki desu'.
>She didn't attempt, she properly bullied him from any definition.
I agree, I was just proving a point through an analogy.
Though I admit murder is not the best analogy possible since there's a clear distinction between successful and unsuccessful murder.
>It was clearly bullying at first.
THANK YOU. Case closed.
>He tried to bully me but now he's going to starve, serves him right
>This entire thread
I sometimes wished I wasn't human.
I was that one guy who bullied you mercilessly
I was that guy who went too far when you didn't deserve it
Why the hell should I feel bad about you
That's exactly where we began. >>100963253
No,sorry, I bullied the shit out of him AND I'm going to starve, serves me right.
Oh, and he will stop shaking after one month.
Shouko should have wrote her confession as well.
I doubt it would've worked even if she made a 10-foot banner.
In year 9 I was that guy and I don't even know why. There was this kid who was nice enough to me but he was weird so my best friend at the time, and soon enough me as well, picked on him a lot, and it just escalated.
I remember slapping him across the head telling him to hit me, and then when he did I unloaded and beat the shit out of him.
The realization that I was the bad guy hit me then, and that was fucked up. I just walked away and sat on a hill, probably looking like a bipolar asshole and reevaluated my life.
I don't get mad or violent over basically anything any more, but I still can't change the shit I pulled back then.
I read the one-shot manga for this before, but I forgot the title. Care to remind me?
Fuck I read that too, what was it?
Nanatsu no Taizai
Koe no Healing
No, but really, KOE NO KITACHI.
If she's (presumably) deaf from birth, then how does she even know how to speak?
Kyoukai no Kanata
Pico no Katachi.
Thanks, I'll just download the anime instead of reading the manga.
Koi no Katachi.
I'm not reading this, but this is so funny I'm considering it.
This manga isn't funny.
If it makes me laugh that makes it funny.
artificial forced manga lengthener
The legal dispute was actually over the (accurate) depiction of school bullying and the inadequacies of the teachers involved.
Also, ellipses and keyboard mashing. Please leave.
Yeah, they have irredeemably shit taste. Everyone knows Yuzuru is best grill.
She said "suki desu" but because the deaf have trouble pronouncing things correctly* and his own self loathing he heard "tsuki desu".
*To be fair so can I, and I don't have the excuses of not being able to hear what I'm saying.