The body of Miki Sayaka was found in a hotel room yesterday.
This thread is her funeral.
Oh, that girl who never talked to anyone in class. Rest in Peace I guess.
So dance thread or what?
What was she doing in a hotel room?
Oh well, she was just a worthless slut anyway.
Most likely soliciting illegal drugs by selling her body to old men. She had that kind of air about her.
Good night, sweet prince. And a flight of angels sing thee to thy rest.
Good riddance to that stupid bitch.
>tfw sayaka was actually a decent girl
Rip in pieces
>Calling some else a lesbian
Pot, kettle, black
>Anything but a very good friend
seems about right
im down for dance thread.
All Sayaka ever wanted in life was to ride violinist cock. Why must she always be remembered as a lesbian?
/a/ sure has some funny ways of expressing grief.
nope, I think she's dead fulltime
Because she got over him and went to the gluttonous redhead
Yeah, I typoed
Oh you mean that bitch who wished for a dick and got no dick?
She is worst girl.
Do you even friendship?
I don't care, it's Homu's story.
>asymetry feels so dirty to me, so it turns me on
>tfw Madoka's socks
Sayaka a shit
It's okay guys, she's just sleeping.
not even the image I uploaded, moot wtf. Is it because I insulted Sayaka? She is a shit tho.
>Hitomi showing her bitch face at Sayaka's funeral
>With her boyfriend that cost Sayaka's life
Was it worth it? Was it worth it you bitch?
>yfw this thread is just 3 people
>me, madokafag and sayaka-a-shitfag
Sayaka was a scrub anyways.
Probably what she was thinking that whole time.
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To be fair, she probably felt like shit about it.
the suffering never ends
I don't think I'm any of those people. Unless I'm you.
Something's off about this picture...
Why's Sayaka sleeping with her eyes open?
Fuck that was my best rape toy.
An ally of justice must be vigilant at all times, even when sleeping.
Also when dead, she might get raped.
What is it with you people and raping
yea. maybe there should be a trigger warning
Welcome to 4chan, you must be new here.
AW HELL YEAH NIGGUH
She is alive forever in my heart.
>The body of Miki Sayaka was found in a hotel room
Let's pump it full of semen.
>not having Homura in your cold dead heart
Anyone else wanted kyouko/Homura and or modoka to just put sunglasses on her lifeless body and act like nothing was wrong
>there will never be a weekend at sayaka's
Of course, there's room for Homura too.
Back in my day party hard gifs were 2 frames only.
Sayaka was an interesting character. I don't think she deserves most of the dislike she gets, most of which comes from people who didn't watch the show as it was airing. I think the problem for them is that after episode three until the becomes a witch, the show might as well be called Sayaka Magica, because everything in the plot is driven by her and Madoka is just a bystander - I eventhink this is a point either Urobochi or Shinbou, or someone else involved in the production made.
The main off-putting thing about her deep insecurity. She sees herself as a mediocre person, a sidekick (which she kind of is) is isn't meant to hold the spotlight, so she reveres a person with real talent like Kamijou and is willing to make absurd sacrifices for him because of it. This is also what makes her jump in line in front of Madoka and become a magical girl, in spite of the fact that she knew how dangerous it was, having seen Mami die in front of her - she wanted to be in the spotlight for once.
Now, this is where you reach an interesting point about Sayaka that goes back to Japanese culture. I remember that when she found out that her soul gem actual contained her "soul" (though what Kyubey describes as a soul couldn't really be called such under any philosophical or religious system I know us) and her body wasn't self animated, she freaked out and felt she wasn't fit to pursue Kamijou anymore because she was a "zombie", a lot of us scoffed. But this has to do with the Buddhist concept of kegare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegare) which associates anything to do with death with defilement, and not just in the sense of sanitation, but a spiritual defilement. This sort of attitude is much less pronounced in the West, or at least in Protestant or formerly Protestant countries where mind-body dualism is much more deeply engrained in our consciousness, this is not such a big deal because the body is just an vessel for the soul in the first place.
Thread about Sayaka and it's shit. Oh the irony.
A funeral after only one day?
That seems fishy, like it is some kind of coverup. Normally police and medical examiners would check the body to find the cause of death and see if there was any foul play involved.
I'm pretty sure it was supposed to have been at least several days later.
I don't remember them actually showing the funeral except for her picture.
Sayaka could also seem self-righteous and there were plenty of times where she was rude or awful to Madoka for not becoming a magical girl herself. Or when she refused Kyouko's apple, it was clear she was looking down on her, not just refusing it because it was stolen.
I think her positive or at least sympathetic characteristic is her, how do I say, her humanness. Sayaka cares about other people to a fault but she can also be selfish. She wants to be loved and she wants to be recognized, but something always seems to go wrong for her. You can't help but at least feel bad for her, and admire her for struggling as long as she did, and for ultimately sacrificing herself for Kamijou's future, and in a truly selfless way the second time, expecting nothing in return..
Sayaka may not be the most likeable character in the series, but she is complex and human in a way many of the other characters are not (i.e. Madoka, and to an extent Homura, who is able to keep enduring endless emotional torture to a point where most people would have given up)
OK, my turn for copy-pasta.
Sayaka is like the little mermaid – not Disney’s sanitised pabulum, but instead Andersen’s raw, cruel original without the happy ending he clumsily tacked on later. Indeed, we see Sayaka’s witch with a mermaid’s tail, and during the conversation between Kyouko and Madoka in episode 9 the day after their first encounter with Sayaka’s witch we see (at least in the BD version) mermaid and unicorn wind chimes hung together, representing Sayaka and Kyouko. The little mermaid bargains with a witch for the chance to gain both love and a soul, but Sayaka (unknowingly) gives up her soul for love and becomes a witch. Just as the whole Madoka story subverts one genre, so this tragic pericope subverts yet another.
Yes, Sayaka was a pain, but Kyouko had come to love her (interpret that how you will), and was willing to try anything to somehow get her soul gem back. In the final confrontation between Sayaka’s witch and Kyouko in episode 9, the imagery with their colours, red for Kyouko and blue for Sayaka, is astonishing – they are depicted almost as twins sharing a womb. Kyouko tries to embrace Sayaka but she disappears, and then the colours become the red and “blue” of arterial and venous blood as the twins symbolically “miscarry” in a haemorrhage pouring out between Kyouko’s legs. I don’t know who specifically was responsible for that scene, but it has a savage brilliance stamped all over it.
There was that and this shot.
>and then the colours become the red and “blue” of arterial and venous blood as the twins symbolically “miscarry” in a haemorrhage pouring out between Kyouko’s legs
That got weird fast
It always rains at funerals
Two places back in the line (in which Madoka is standing), are those Kamijou and Hitomi?
Is that Junko outside under the overhang, checking her watch? That's...rather cold of her.
>Oh, that girl who never talked to anyone in class
But Sayaka is always outgoing and talkative, that doesn't make any sense.
I don't think so, Junko was already at home when Madoka got back.
Yes, very good. Sayaka felt like a real human being, more than other megucas. Mami and Madoka too, but the first one bit the dust before too much characterization. Homura feels the most unrealistic out of them.
what a wonderful day
Why does Souka Gakkai make animu about traditional Buddhist funerals when they want to deconstruct and take over the funeral businesses???
In a way, that's even colder.
I don't know, is it expected to go to the funeral of your daughter's friend? I have no idea.
Homura is way more human than Madoka. Instead of trying to be perfect, she's a fucked up little girl.
And nothing of value was lost.
Madoka doesn't try to be perfect...
How is being shitty human?
Homura is a pretty good example of PTSD.
Seeing Madoak and the others die over over and has deeply affected her psyche. Not to mention what she had to do in timeline three.
You're right. She doesn't try.
OK, how does this make Madoka inhuman in contrast?
Then why was her universe worse than Homura's?
I wasn't the guy arguing that.
No she isn't, she's weak, undecisive and she couldn't even save her best friend
Homura's universe builds on Madoka's, dummy, Homura didn't make it from scratch.
>she's weak, undecisive and she couldn't even save her best friend
Sounds like someone I know.
But she did save Homura.
And if you were referring to Sayaka, she saved her from being a witch and made her an attendant to the law of cycles.
You could apply that to both Madoka and Homura.
Stop being so tsundere Homu.
>she saved her from being a witch and made her an attendant to the law of cycles
yeah, thanks to Homura
homura a shit
Everyone helped. Go team.
Post my nigga Kyubey.
QB a shit.
>Anyone who remotely thinks that Homura's new world is a good concept.
Homura is my favorite but even I have to agree that things are fucked now and can only get worse.
Homura a shit. Kyubey's gonna wreck her, soon.
She's the quartermaster, she provides tea and cake.
She's the one that taught them how to even fight witches
Was Mami even alive in the new world Homu made?
Uh, yeah? She has a loli now.
It's implied that she isn't.
I just learned the other day that Nagisa has the same seiyuu as Yuno
／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ ＰＬＥＡＳＥ ＫＩＬＬ ＭＥ ＩＴ ＨＵＲＴＳ ＴＯ ＬＩＶＥ
Now she saves lolis from falling cheese.
That's what happens when you create a perfect world. It can no longer be improved.
Well yeah all the megucas are voiced by the same seiyuus from Hidamari Sketch
>Saving the universe, one dead girl at a time
I heard there was free food here.
>behead those who insult sayaka
way ahead of you
why is homu trying to rip bebe's face in half and what is going on in bebe's pantsu
Not quite all, no.
Homu is pretty good at ripping things in half
is that michael jackson's cat
So Homura is going to get destroyed for actually messing with QB, right? I hate seeing him subservient to someone.
QB is a puppet now, get used to it.
this thread is also a shitpost
>Miyako voiced Mami
>Sae voiced Hitomi
>Hiro voiced Junko
Holy fuck, I am dumb
This was NOT rape.
Welp, I'm gonna watch the Rebellion camrip tomorrow because I'm afraid I might read spoilers otherwise
I wanted to save my Rebellion virginity for an actual release and not a camrip of the right half of the screen
THANKS FOR RUINING EVERYTHING, /a/!!
That what rapist says.
Any time bro
Kyubey is Homura's pet now.
She should take care of him better and brush his fur more often.
Just fucking avoid Madoka threads you idiot, its not that hard
madoka dies at the end
>Staying a puppet
If they can catch a god, they can kill a demon.
They didn't catch a god though.
MADOKA KILLS DUMBLEDORE
so, what was the cause of death?
>The body of Miki Sayaka was found in a hotel room yesterday.
Damn right it was. This pink one is next.
She drowned in cum.
What would the realistic cause of death be of a soul leaving a body? Heart attack?
Both Mado and Homu are fully clothed without any sign of physical activity whatsoever and neither has a luminescent blush which would result from orgasm.
Mado would also naturally have a look of horror and trauma after suffering such a thing from her closest friend of all things.
Raped to death by faceless old men, she was found in a hotel after all.
That's a good question, all her organs probably just shut down. I doubt an autopsy would find anything.
SHE TRUSTED YOU HOMU
Rape works in mysterious ways
Well, I still wouldn't be surprised if they pull out some bullshit at the level of what they did with the AI YO and make QB the final boss
Unless she liked it, making it not rape.
I don't think you understand how rape works.
This is bannable, right? Something about post quality?
>No, Homura-chan! I don't want this! You're tearing me apart!
Daily remainder that Urobochi said Sayaka is the only person that can defeat Devil Homura.
She was just trying to appear modest.
"quality of posts is srs business"
-moot, The Rules 6:1
I was joking dude, calm down.
i've seen some shitty fanart in my life but jesus christ was this painted by an elephant?
Oh, I see, I was confused by the total lack of humor.
urobochi a shit
>Kyubey will never punch Homura out of space and time and obliterate her and Madoka both for mucking up the universe
These girls need to quit rewriting reality already.
>I don't want this!
Why did they have to use THAT line of all times?
pls dont ruin everything sayaka
i forgave you for being worst girl, but i can't forgive that
Genuine love is scary.
There was no choice. They had to use THAT.
hey, that's a pretty common exclamation. it doesn't necessarily mean-
>Japanese (language): Why does my Japanese girlfriend say "dame, dame" when she's experiencing sexual pleasure?
>I understand "da me" to mean "No" or "stop" >However, when I'm fooling around with my Japanese girlfriend and she gets really turned on from sex, she always says "dame, dame." >She repeats it many times during sex when she is really really passionate. She tells me that she's not saying "stop" but she can't explain the meaning of it. She says that "dame" can sometimes mean "yes" even if it usually means "no." Unfortunately, her English isn't good enough to really explain this point any better. Can anyone help?
Because they wanted to make it look like a rape scene.
Confirmed for not rape.
Why the Incubators couldn't use their own magic/technology again?
Was it because of their lack of emotions or something?
Yes, magical girl powers come from emotions like hope and despair and apparently love.
Among them, only a few have emotions and it's considered a mental disorder. Which is how they learned the power of emotions and sought to find a race where many people have it
She actually doesn't, it's just "Don't!".
I'm told it's different. Context, implications, meanings, or something.
Not enough Sayaka in this thread.
>We made a contract with ourselves, and a wish. We wished for the power to destroy you, Akemi Homura!
and then they fuse into a gigantic hideous multi-eyed fanged Kyubey monster.
nah, that's stupid.
how about Homura fuses all the Incubators into a monster and sends it to fight the other main characters as a midboss? just because she can?
Is the corpse still doable?
Kyouko thought so.
Kyouko has been keeping it fresh.
Yes, yes. I say my good friends, we must certainly do something about that time-changing harlot Homura. The rapscallion went too far with her enslavement of the noble and heroic QB! Why, I'd say he's more than deserving of a chance to put that old girl down for good, yes sir!
>"dame" can sometimes mean "yes" even if it usually means "no"
Give Anthony his mustache back you little fucker.
How many snacks do I give her to spend a few minutes alone with Sayaka?
For mourning purposes, of course.
Only during sex. Sasuga japanese rape culture.
>In this context it's more along the lines of "I can't take it, it's too much". だめ is one of those strange words where context matters, versus the literal definition.
But everyone steals Anthony mustache.
>mfw Madoka says exactly the same thing on their first night together
"No, Homura-chan! It's too much! You're tearing me apart!"
>end of meguca
>homura faps over dead sayaka
>i'm so fucked up
>mfw Madoka says exactly the same thing on their first night together
>No, Homura-chan! It's too much! You're tearing me apart!
BD's are on 2 of April. It's not too long
Have you looked at the kanji, 駄目?
It's packhorse eye.
If that helps.
It would be interesting if as a result of being submitted to Homura's will for so long they start to secretly develop emotions, mostly of hate.
Just imagine after everything is back to normal (somehow) and it seems like everyone is getting their happy ending (somehow) this assholes decide to throw a tantrum. They knowing the nature of "wish-granting" better than anyone... holy hell.
From the looks of it, Homura has already forced emotions upon them, either by reprogramming them directly or driving them mad somehow (since emotions are considered a mental disorder among their progenitor species), perhaps by destroying their entire civilization out of spite and making them watch.
How could lily love possibly cause such intense pain?
Soul Gem insertion
Maybe Homura's insanity is rubbing off on them.
>The Incubators realize it's not worth saving the universe if it's full of bitches like Homura, so they come up with a plan to just destroy it and make their own universe to live in alone
>Homura fucks up once again
By never letting go until the universe breaks and ascension happens.
>let's give emotions to the space cats that can give wishes based on emotions
Seriously, not even Homura is so stupid.
The only one that stupid is sayaka
PLEASE DO NOT BULLY
She doesn't need to be stupid, just to be enough insane.
I would love to see that happening though
Homura isn't insane. She was when she was a witch, but that's to be expected. She outsmarted everyone and used the incubators for her own reasons.
I'm not seeing hitomi in there... is that her in the forground?
I think that's her clinging to the dude who's probably Kyousuke.
Sayaka is a badass
She's a sweet little girl trying too hard to be a badass.
Did Nakazawa attend?
Even Madoka is more badass that that bitch.
She doesn't have to try, I'm sure it comes quite naturally.
But she's the least badass of all the megucas, except for Nagisa.
You are mistaken.
Goofy looking bitch
Maybe she beats Madoka if you're excluding magical girl Madoka and Madokami, but she's nowhere near the level of Homura or Mami.
She has a cape and she goes fast and she's super cool, I don't know what else to tell you.
What? Madoka is much more badass that Sayaka, especially in the scene when she goes to fight Walpurgis for the first time.
She goes fast alright, straight into becoming a witch.
Yes, and then becomes even more badass as a result.
But does she have a bunch of really cute familiars powerful enough to fight magical girls on their own?
Not everything is a competition you know, Homura and Sayaka can both be badass.
Contract with us.
I suppose it's possible. At the very least, Homura needs a rape toy that struggles a bit.
Again with the rape. Why can't they just be friends?
No, Sayaka is a stupid bitch, bitches can't be badass.
She's too into justice to be friends with a devil.
They both want to protect Madoka, surely they can find some common ground.
Homura wants to do far lewder things with/to Madoka.
>QB the final boss
More like the hero that the Universe deserves.
What they do in their alone time is on them as long as it doesn't break the universe.
That cannot be guaranteed.
It's complicated, but the only "friend" Homura allows is Madoka.
But Sayaka is special too in her own way. I've never seen Homura so eager to toy with someone like she did with Sayaka. Looked like she was having a lot of fun.
Homu a bully now.
Once Hope triumphs in the end and Homura is purified and goes to yuri valhalla, I'm sure they'll all be friends.
Hope is dead.
It's just sleeping. One day it will awaken.
What a slut.
They really should just fuck, it will not solve all the problems of Homura but it certainly would help alot.
We already got the notion that Homura was fucked up. The stark contrast between Madoka and Gretchen is just tasty.
>You will never be dominated by sadistic dark Madoka.
>Good girls gone terribly bad.
This is my fetish.
Gretchen is pretty similar to Madoka though, she just wants to save everyone.
I want to protect her terrifying smile
I don't think they ever truly showed her.
Unless you count that miasma that attacked the earth.
But then how would you get an official artwork?
Why don't we have both?
We see bits of her in three different timelines, but most of what we know about her comes from her witch card thing.
why does akuma homu act like such a bitch when all she did was rewrite the universe so everyone is happy (admittedly this was probably just a byproduct of a world where madoka is happy, but still)
She was on the verge on becoming a witch, as in she was on the edge of the transition. It probably fucked with her brain.
The truth goes unspoken.
I've even forgotten my name.
I thought she did become a witch, just, not physically so which is why they were able to fix it. I suppose that'd probably mess you up something fierce.
She thinks she did a bad thing, so is acting chuuni as fuck to try and cope.
She is several elephants short of a circus.
So would a hundred timelines of watching your best friend suffer and die.
I swear it's going to end with her becoming walpurgisnacht, setting everything back the way it was, and they'll probably go full circle with the walpurgisnacht/gretchen hourglass symbolism
>The precise moment when the final nail was struck.
You're an idiot.
Walpuris is like 20 witches rolled together though.
>implying there's only one homu
I think she knows she did a bad thing.
>Walpurgisnight is a conglomerate of several witches
>they're all Homura
Hence the Clara Dolls throwing tomatoes at her.
But she did a good thing. She saved Madoka again.
>autism levels reach critical mass
>the city is destroyed
It's okay, she's feeling better now.
Stop being retarded, there only one Homulilly, if someone is going to be the core of Walpurgis is going to be Sayaka, being the commander of Valhalla, Homura's opponent and all that.
She didn't do anything wrong, she was acting in accordance with her wish; she could hardly be someone madoka could depend on for protection as one of madoka's completely subordinate and inferior angels, now could she?
Mami literally murders her friends.
Madoka doesn't need to be saved, go away Homura.
2011 called, they want their stupid speculah back.
Mami can't be forgiven for killing Kyoko and trying to kill Homura.
She deserved a good charlotting.
Whether or not you think Homura did the right thing is not the point. The point is that Homura thinks she did a bad thing.
How many again?
But in that timeline she got Madoka'd
Being Charlotte'd is probably more painful.
Still not okay, she made Madoka cry after doing it.
Instant death vs Instant death
I don't think it was instant, she didn't die until Charlotte started to chew.
forcing madoka to kill her is almost as unforgivable as murder.
It was like a few seconds later that her body went all limp and she un-meguca'd.
remember that that a meguca's body is meaningless, she didn't die until charlotte chewed up her soul gem
You people are awful.
>How is being shitty human?
You can say that again.
But could she block out the pain? She certainly wasn't expecting it.
Charlotte probably wasn't too happy. It looked like cheese but it wasn't.
Now now, don't go all Mami on us.
literally a murderer.
>implying Mami isn't delicious
Like all the girls in the series.
It's not murder if it's consensual
Homura seems to agree.
Wait holy shit, Kyoko is the only one who didn't kill anyone.
Tell that to the court.
Kyouko fed people to familiars though.
Kyouko doesn't kill anyone directly but she was an accomplice in several deaths.
>that brown ring of burnt egg
nah gurl, nah
step it the fuck up otosan
Someone has to keep the familiars fat and happy, or they start throwing tomatoes.
>Mami was the cake after all
It's delicious because she's alive to taste it, is the idea.
GOAT artist. Wish he did more Sayaka.
Mami and Homura are forced to mercy kill their friends, Madoka kill in self defense, Kyouko kills because it's what she has to do to survive, Sayaka kills because she's a bitch that don't like what other people say.
Sayaka is such a bitch she should be Shinji.
I'm liking Asuka Kyoko, but once again Homura does it best.
So, /a/, what is the wish that will make your soul gem shine?
you know, besides "to be a little girl"
>forced to kill her friends
That is my wish you little shit.
I wish that Homura and Madoka can live happily ever after together.
well it's mine too but then all the replies would be nothing but that.
To be a little girl that gets loved tenderly by salarymen on her way home from school.
I wish to be Homu's bride.
I want a Sayaka. No, two Sayakas! How many Sayakas can I wish for?
If I'm going to be Homu, then I need a Madoka.
One Madoka please, Kyubey.
>I wish to be Homu's bride.
Done. Enjoy the next movie, you know, if you're still around.
You are now Madoka.
You can have 1 happy sayaka or 5 "it doesn't hurt at all!" sayakas
>You can have 1 happy sayaka or 5 "it doesn't hurt at all!" sayakas
This is a harder decision than I thought it would be.
"it doesn't hurt at all" Sayakas are hotter, but coming home to a witch would be kinda shit.
I want Kyubey to slap Homura's shit.
Damn you. Of course 1 happy Sayaka is better. Why would you deny her happiness? Do you even love her?
ps fullscreen version WHEN
a-are we really gonna have to wait until it gets officially released?
A wild Mami appears and challenges you to a tea party.
But I could try to make the other ones happy, and there are spares in case it doesn't work.
>a-are we really gonna have to wait until it gets officially released?
Got any bright ideas for getting it otherwise?
Well, I guess there's still that filmstrip compilation guy. Wherever he is.
Happiness is not allowed for megucas.
Stop time and run away before she ties me up.
See, you don't have the right attitude. If you choose those 5, you must make those 5 happy.
Does an 8-bit version of Credens Justitiam play when this encounter starts? This is important.
Maybe she shouldn't have messed with the Incubator, then.
It might be called assisted suicide. Not sure if courts of any country give a shit though.
But she alreadytie you! You can't run!
That's too optimistic.
KIDF, please go.
But they were trying to catch Madokami and use her for energy.
So this is how it ends, getting raped to death by Mami.
What's the Oktavia thing even for
Is it a banner of some kind
Anyone got the writefaggotry of Mami getting abused by Hitomi? I need it for reasons.
Zombie girl, please go.
It's Madoka's fault for rewriting the universe and Homura's fault for sharing that information. The Incubators work with logic, it's stupid to use coal when someone tells you how to use fission.
Holy shit, it exists.
>it's stupid to use coal when someone tells you how to use fission.
What an apt comparison, given that fission has the possibility of blowing up in your face.
So does coal, potentially.
Homu tricked the incubators good with just her wit. Now she has devil powers too.
You get the point. It blew up in their face.
No matter what Homura does Sayaka is there to point and laugh in her face.
Mami is not a rapist. Also I don't think Homura can die.
>mfw imagining Sayaka's lifeless corpse being used by Hotel workers all day every day
Well, wait, nuclear fission itself isn't necessarily explosive. It only is so when you design the apparatus that way either by purposely constructing a bomb or poorly designing a reactor.
As a former hotel worker I'm offended that you generalize us all as necrophiliacs
It's an analogy god damn it.
And it will blow up in HER face even harder and more destructive when she learns the consequences of messing with the entities that were kind and generous enough to enable her to reach that power in the first place.
For not being a rapist, she sure likes tying up girls.
Even if Kyoko was keeping the body fresh?
I know! I'm saying it doesn't work!
You analogy is stupid, Homura.
It's not even that she knows she 'did' a bad thing.
It's that, from the beginning, she knew she had to do a bad thing.
The more shit they do to Homura, the more powerful she becomes.
Once upon a time there was a meguca who was so pretty that even fate was jealous so it made her die before her time.
This meguca's name was Mami.
The higher you climb, the greater the fall.
Isn't she already at that all-powerful point though?
Her love-colored magic comes from her hope, her pain, and her suffering. So just by being in her own labyrinth, living in her own personal hell which gives her despair, while fighting for Madoka's happiness which gives her hope, hasn't she turned herself into a perpetual energy source, thus becoming ridiculously powerful and solving the problem of entropy?
I doubt she's willing to share her energy.
Rebellion is frustrating to think about. Nothing is certain; all of the little details are ambiguous and/or symbolism which only bring up more questions than they offer explanations for.
It has to happen eventually. Homura was made to suffer. She's going to spend eternity alone in a cold dark place after losing Madoka for good.
Who knows? We need a 4th movie or 2nd season to find out.
Then there was another meguca who was so beautiful and brave that even death could not stop her, and she continued being an ally of justice as an angel and she was the best and coolest forever, and her name was Miki Sayaka.
Yeah, that's why she keep the Incubators.
>She's going to spend eternity alone in a cold dark place after losing Madoka for good.
No! She's going to marry madoka and they'll magic up some lesbian babies and be happy forever.
Best not forget about the meguca who's love for Madoka was so strong she rewrote the laws of the universe for it.
You mean Madoka Kaname.
My wish is to be the proof that all magical girls existed so I can use all their powers.
Happiness is forbidden. The ending is going to feel like being shot in the soul gem.
>Getting to live happily ever after
Not after all she's done. Not if QB can help it.
At least we are in agreement on that bit.
She's going to literally become the devil and always attempt to seduce megucas away from Madoka
>She's going to spend eternity alone in a cold dark place after losing Madoka for good.
As much as I hate to admit it the only reason Sayaka is still alive is because of the Homu.
Let's be a little more optimistic.
But Sayaka doesn't need to be alive, she has a job to do after death.
Well, being a shit is a full time job.
Maybe she will. Maybe there's no end to the horrible things she'll do, but Madoka will still love her.
Because she's stubbornly self hating and doesn't think she's worthy of Madoka's love.
She was pretty well off when she was dead, being alive now can only be bad news.
Of course. But Homura is terribly jealous and will try to prove for an eternity to Madoka that the others aren't worth her time to save.
Your mom is a full time job.
Madokami looks like she's going to rape Sayaka.
I want you all to clear your minds, and imagine just how lewd and yuri madoka's meguca heaven is.
Did you see her tears from seeing her friends alive again?
Being a part of the law of cycles doesn't actually sound fun or well off.
Being happy to see some old friends does not mean she was in a bad state before, it just means she's happy to see them.
How lewd is Homura's inevitable yuri hell? Sayaka rape every day?
well shit now i wish i some anon would post cute pics of madohomu with a baby daughteru
Wait what's the difference
That doesn't necessarily follow, she was just emotional because she didn't think she'd be able to see them again.
She's clearly better off alive, is my point. It's not "only bad news".
I imagine... sleepovers, caeki, watching scary movies, bathing, hugs, holding hands, and intense sweaty luminous.
We shall see.
Never proven, never shown, we know more about how Akuma Homura works than we do Madokami.
I really don't think she is jealous, the only reason that people think she is jealous is because the Clara doll but she never acts based on jealousy.
LESBIANS DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT.
Madokami's is made of hope, Akuma Homura's is made of rape and suffering.
>She's clearly better off alive
Except that's not apparent at all because we don't know what yuri valhalla is like.
>not purple hair
So does the more dominant partner commonly wear a jacket when they become a thing?
It's cute how they've clearly grown into a married mentality, but I'm just curious.
What happened to Homura's eyes? Why is she wearing Madokami's dress? Is hers in the laundry?
sharing clothes is the best part about being in a same sex relationship.
It's the best thing about an opposite sex relationship too.
I think we don't know for a reason, because it doesn't exist, or at least not in the super happy heaven form people think of.
It can't be helped. They could have shown something, but they never did. Instead they have some booklet that explains the Law of Cycles as some huge collective.
Maybe they should rethink the wearing each other's fancy dresses though. It just doesn't look right.
Akuma outfit was deemed too lewd for the child.
Though it would be more handy for breastfeeding than the boob window.
The father doesn't breastfeed, you ninny.
Homura seems to have Madokami's dress figured out.
THAT'S NOT HOW GODS FIGHT
no but it is how they do the sex
You are right.
That's how GODDESSES fight.
Is that even a word?
>They could have shown something
They don't need to show Yuri Valhalla to prove that is real, faggot, they showed sufficient evidence.
yes it is, did you even see the movie?
why is madoka about to bitchslap earth
They're doing lewder things than fighting.
Are people being stupid on purpose or really don't realize that this image is before the movie?
If you think the waifu wars are bad now, these are just small skirmishes compared what that would cause. Anons killing Anons, Sayakafags hanging military age Homurafags from lampposts, mass graves of Sayakafags after mass executions. Puella Magi Madoka Magica is the Yugoslavia of anime.
>The Mermaid Witch. Once dreamt of love. The Law of the Cycle split off some of its souls and sent them to the earth. One of them took the form of Sweets. Another took on the form of a mermaid. And the Law of Cycles itself descended upon the surface, more reverently than the morning dew. Her form was like that of a magical girl who once was.
There is no heaven, it's just being absorbed into Madoka and becoming her servant. It's really likely that a Madoka-less Law of Cycles would be dangerous.
No, she's playing volleyball with it.
How does that imply that there is no heaven?
Not really, it's still too vague. Sayaka just "disappeared" and became a part of the law of cycles. She had to be split off to do anything in Rebellion.
>It's really likely that a Madoka-less Law of Cycles would be dangerous.
It seems like it, but maybe Homura can somehow deal with it?
I mean, it's not like Madoka at the head of the law of cycles had much power to interact with the world beyond absorbing witches.
if only there was a pic of madohomu in a hospital room. homura leaning over above a weak but proud madoka with a newborn daughteru sleeping peacefully in her arms with tears of joy streaming down their faces.
drawfags please do this?
>Walpurgisnacht absorbs witches into itself
>Kyubey says Gretchen will surpass Walpurgisnacht
>Law of the Cycles absorbs witches (that retain their sanity) into itself
Law of the Cycles - Madoka = Gretchen
Nope, she asked for volunteers, if they were her servants she does not need to do that.
Law of Cycles don't absorbs, it erase.
Except all the witches still exist.
Because Madoka keeps them "alive", the law itself only erase.
But Madoka killed Gretchen.
Can she be both? She didn't have to go, but she doesn't really have much of a choice in being a part of the law of cycles.
>She didn't have to go
Killed, or absorbed?
If she can control her witch form like Sayaka or Nagisa, that's a big goddamn problem. If she's partial witch like Homura, that's an even bigger problem.
Because the witch book was written whimsically and referred to Madoka as a heavenly being, if there were an afterlife it would at least imply so rather than keep mentioning how the witches were separated from the cycle by the cycle itself.
The blast that took out Gretchen just so happened to blow up the entire universe and reset everything. It's very possible that Madoka just fused with it like the other magical girls have.
>if there were an afterlife it would at least imply so rather than keep mentioning how the witches were separated from the cycle by the cycle itself.
I'm not following this at all. Yes, they're all part of the Law of the Cycle, but how does that imply that there's not some sort of afterlife?
Because there is no evidence at all to say there is, while there are hints and fancy language to say there isn't. Neither Sayaka nor Nagisa ever mention anything about the Law of Cycles other than they're a part of it and they have a mission. They barely even interact with each other as well, the only thing they have in common is what Madoka wanted them to do.
>people not believing in our true goddess
There are really disgusting people.
Disgusting enough to worship our devil instead?
>Because there is no evidence at all to say there is
Except the fact that they specifically refer to volunteering for the mission, implying that there is something they could be doing otherwise. I mean really, the fact that souls continue to exist after death should imply that an afterlife exists in the absence of any actual evidence to the contrary, in my mind.
Is that Gretchen witch kiss taken from the PSP game? Which we had a bigger version.
I wish the runes on the emblem were legible. Has anyone made them out yet?
DAS EWIG WEIBLICHE
>Because there is no evidence at all to say there is
Madoka created a virtual space when talking to Mami and Kyouko, Madoka tells Sayaka they have to go "somewhere", the fact that she asked for volunteers, the simple fact that their souls exist after death.
I think what Law of Cycles anon is trying to say is that there isn't a physical afterlife where everyone is able to shake hands and hug and do yuri things. Rather, they all attain enlightenment and join Madoka within the Law of Cycles as omnipresent concepts. The exception to this is when purifying girls and saving them, which is why Sayaka and Nagisa are so eager to return, because they had still had some ties to the mortal world and wanted to get some final peace from Kyouko and Mami respectively. It's also why Homura makes such a big deal about Madoka's sacrifice, because she can't understand the value of nirvana. She only values the happiness of the mortal word.
That does sort of imply gretchen, since gretchen in faust is what that line refers to.
>so eager to return
>final peace from Mami
Nagisa just wanted to eat cheese one more time.
Where have you been, anon?
By the way, Eternal Feminine is basically the concept that Goethe's Gretchen embodies, as the pure-hearted maiden who believes in the goodness in Faust's heart. When Faust is meant to fall into hell as per contract with Mephistopheles, Gretchen saves him and pulls him up to heaven.
See how Madoka is a parallel to that?
She recreation Mami's apartment in episode 12, that means she is able to create a physical space where all girls can coexist.
Right, and Mami is the cheese. Symbolism anon, what is it.
Yes anon, I can see that. I just haven't really been keeping up, don't bite my head off.
>Right, and Mami is the cheese. Symbolism anon, what is it.
Nagisa don't give a shit about Mami, the first time they met is in the barrier of Homura.
Maybe, who knows? Nothing is confirmed.
We do know that Mami tells Madoka that she will be unable to be perceived by anyone if she goes through with this and becomes the Law of Cycles, and that when girls die they join the Law of Cycles. I'm just offering another interpretation, not saying that mine proves others wrong.
Good, that's a weight off my shoulders.
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but Rebellion isn't a stand-alone story. It's actually the newest installment to a popular TV series that aired three years ago now. You should probably get to watching it.
I think they might be aware of the other timelines over there in yuri valhalla/weird metaphysical yuri nirvana/whatever the fuck it is I dunno I just know it's gotta be yuri as fuck
He has a point actually, there's no real reason for Nagisa to care about Mami just because she killed her as a witch once. All of their actual interaction has to have been inside Homura's barrier.
And maybe you need to not being an idiot, Nagisa never met a Mami in the world that Madoka created and when she ascended to Valhalla she don't won any of her memory from past lives (which I think is bullshit but whatever).
Nagisa only going on the mission for cheese.
It says in the guidebook that "Tomoe Mami resembles the person this witch [the desserts witch] saw at the end of a scary dream."
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Wasn't that during the recreation of the new universe during the implementation of her wish? She's able to talk with Mami and Kyouko, show Sayaka the fruits of her wish, and space hug Homura. However, after the space hug, she "has to go" even though Homura doesn't want her to go.
Mami asks her if she truly understands, and Madoka replies "I think so". She goes on to say she just knows it'll work out, or something. Madoka wasn't even absolutely sure of herself, but it's not like she can just back out and give in to despair.
>Madoka wasn't even absolutely sure of herself
Oh, is you again.
No need to involve your ego anon. It makes you look silly when you're wrong. When you express your thoughts and feelings in a less hostile manner, people are able to correct you gently without everything devolving into personal battles where each side is more concerned with proving each other wrong than actually discovering the truth.
You were the first that go condescending over my, asshole and you totally ignorant my point.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person!
That said, I don't think what he's saying has the nuance that you're trying to project onto it. We all know that Madokami defeats her own despair and moves on just like every other girl in the law of cycles.
She sounded pretty damn sure of herself to me.
I'm not the poster you replied to (when you assume, you. . . etc.), and there's no need for me to be redundant and restate what is said by >>100943660
Ha, Rebellion sure showed us how necessary it was that Tatsuya remembered. It did nothing to help Homura move on and is shown to be insignificant in Rebellion.
But hey at least it let them make a Meta joke.
What >>100943660 says support my point, I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Right, she was absolutely sure in her hope, in doing the right thing.
I'm just saying she might not have an absolute understanding of what exactly her new existence will be like.
Some would say she created a heaven for all megucas on top of reorganizing the universe, but the guidebook says it's one mass collective.
>Some would say she created a heaven for all megucas [..] but the guidebook says it's one mass collective.
Those two don't contradict each other, anon.
>the guidebook says it's one mass collective
It really doesn't. You're extrapolating way too much from one or two vague lines.
Funny how the way Homura apologists mostly work is by attacking Madoka's actions speculating that it's not as good as the series implies or that she regretted her actions despite stating outright that she had full confidence in what she was doing as a goddess.
Why don't they just admit Homura fucked up? I mean she considers herself a devil for a reason.
>how necessary it was that Tatsuya remembered.
He doesn't remember anything. He knows about Madoka because Urobuchi is presenting the idea that little kids can see supernatural shit. He confirms this in Episode 12's commentary.
>It did nothing to help Homura move on
As Shinbo points out, the series is a stand-alone work and you're free to interpret it as you wish without being influenced by Rebellion. That said, seeing Tatsuya and Junko helps inspire Homura to keep on fighting for the world Madoka wanted to protect, like she says so herself. At no point does she say, "I'm cool with Madoka being gone forever, and I don't miss her or anything." No, she wants to fight for the world. In fact, I believe she hasn't lost sight of that goal post-Rebellion, which is why she keeps QB at her side and declares her intention to destroy the wraiths.
>thread discussing how a character should've been killed in a slaughter porn doujin
>thread where people are literally dancing on the grave of histories greatest paragon of justice
/a/ is truly evil hellspawn, and rotten right down to the core.
You're saying that Nagisa doesn't retain memory from any of her past lives, which is an incorrect statement as disproven by the witches' artbook.
And you're projecting your idea of the afterlife onto the Madoka universe without any canon proof of what you want to be true.
Where is your proof that the afterlife is really a Valhalla-like existence where everyone has bodies and can interact together? Consider again what Mami says, please.
Feel free to see yourself out the door and go cry on your tumblr where others will enable your whining.
>the end of a scary dream
And mean nothing to her, it's just a nightmare she saw, she doesn't see them as real.
First, your "us vs. them" mentality is fallacious. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a hivemind.
Second, you're using a straw man. When has anyone ever said that Madoka regretted her actions? Also, they are as good as the series implies. In Homura's words, "This may be a world without salvation and where nothing but sadness and hatred repeat, but it's still a places she once tried to protect."
Third, how do you know Homura has 'fucked up'? As Junko says, you can't always get a happy ending by doing what's right. Sometimes someone has to be in the wrong to balance out someone else's need to be in the right. They have to make a mistake for that person. Dualism and all that.
Also, if you've ever familiarized yourself with archetypes and tropes of yuri anime, dualism is very, very common.
Oh, and the series isn't over, so we don't actually know what the results of Homura's actions are.
Madoka did the best possible wish, she had full confidence in her wish, but she could not create a perfect heaven on top of reorganizing the new universe.
That's all. It was a sacrifice, not a celebration in yuri heaven.
>but she could not create a perfect heaven on top of reorganizing the new universe.
Even if they are a collective entity centered around Madokami, they seem to still retain a substantial amount of independence. I mean compare them to say the loyal angels of God. When Micheal the Archangel comes down he has no worldly concerns; he just does what God sent him down to do. Now look at Sayaka/Nagisa, they volunteer partly because they have unfinished business on earth, namely cheese and Kyoko. Then of course there is the fact that they state they volunteered for this job.
Even if they don't have a form in Madokami, they seem to have an independent soul that has personal desires.
It was not her wish?
As another anon said, this happens in the old universe before the Law of Cycles is even created, so it's not entirely certain what Madokami's capabilities are or that just because she's capable of doing something, she will do it. Again, you're just projecting your own idea of the afterlife onto the girls, because we are never shown or told how the afterlife functions. I am completely open to the prospect of an afterlife paradise, but I'm not asking for fanon here, I'm asking for proof to back up your claims.
So? She's still a magical girl and can create things with her magic like Yuri Valhalla.
Sayaka's wish didn't involve swords, yet she has quite a lot of them anyway.
>but she could not create a perfect heaven on top of reorganizing the new universe.
Show your evidence that Madoka's heaven wasn't perfect.
So she lost the ability to create a virtual space when she rewrote the universe just because you say so? Because you don't like Yuri Valhalla or something?
>I'm not asking for fanon here
Yes, you are. Since there is no direct evidence of the existence or non-existence of yuri valhalla, we are forced to speculate about it based on the various hints we are given.
When Madoka descents to take Homura, Sayaka and Nagisa are also physically present. Actually, souls are physical in this setting, so it doesn't have to contradict anything.
On the other hand, description of Madokami splitting souls and them having to take different form points to them existing as a collective being most of the time.
>people actually using scene of talking to Mami and Kyouko in ep12 as proof that Madoka can create space
What the fuck? That scene is entirely symbolic.
>Yes, you are. Since there is no direct evidence of the existence or non-existence of yuri valhalla, we are forced to speculate about it based on the various hints we are given.
There's more evidence that it exists given the fact that the messengers of Madokami weren't just blindly loyal servants to their goddess. Sayaka and Nagisa were independent souls who could miss worldly things they left behind like cheese and Kyoko; who also volunteered to come down to see those things one more time.
No? In what you base this? For all we know that is something that really happens.
Yeah, well, I got nothin'. If Madoka had so much power, you'd think she could interact with Homura a bit.
All I can point to is that it's unlikely from looking at the guide book, closely examining Madoka's statements and actions in episode 12, and from how the characters never allude to such a place.
Again, sacrifice, bittersweet ending. Not a perfect victory where Madoka gets infinite power, but I guess I can't really prove that. Maybe she wanted to leave her family and friends on earth to hang out in heaven with all the cool historical megucas.
Defensive listening sure is fun, isn't it anon?
>I am completely open to the prospect of an afterlife paradise
No I'm not--well-thought fanon is something that doesn't contradict the canon, but often doesn't have actual basis. For instance, portraying Homura as having hobbies.
Why did they have worldly regrets if they really do have a paradise? If Mami's room is proof of anything, why doesn't Madoka just create cheese for Nagisa to eat? The notion isn't without its seams.
Because Mami and Kyouko are dead by that time. When they die, their souls disappear forever.
Mami giving the notebook back makes no sense at all, Madoka left it in Mami's apartment after Mami died.
Right, I agree. I'm just saying that in the absence of a yuri valhalla OVA or something (or the opposite, some material that illustrates them only gaining an individual consciousness after they "split off" or whatever), nothing is concrete.
>you'd think she could interact with Homura a bit.
She can't interact with the real world, only with dead magical girls, that's the point of the bittersweet ending.
She can whisper in Homura's ear sometimes, can't she?
>Because Mami and Kyouko are dead by that time.
Yes, and Madoka save their souls and created a place to talk with them.
Was Homura dead during the space hug?
Doesn't seem like a very bittersweet ending to me if she's celebrating in yuri heaven like so many want to assume.
>Why did they have worldly regrets if they really do have a paradise?
It doesn't necessarily have to be a "paradise", just a probably fairly pleasant place where they exist after death. Sayaka's makes sense because she can't interact with Kyouko as long as Kyouko's alive. Nagisa's could be explained as spirit cheese not being as good as genuine cheese, and/or it's not as fun when you don't have a real body to eat it with.
The space hug was during the reformation of the universe, she could perceive all that because she was a time traveler or whatever. Madoka basically says that they'll meet again once Homura dies and joins her.
>Was Homura dead during the space hug?
No? She never dies in her fight with Walpurgis.
>Maybe she wanted to leave her family and friends on earth to hang out in heaven with all the cool historical megucas.
Trying to make Madoka appear selfish? Just like a Homufaggot to do that. The point is she used her power to allow magical girls to have a happy afterlife; it wasn't part of the voiced wish-but considering her strength she could make it so by her own will. Of course it had a cost, Rebellion shows that she'd only leave her family and friends if it meant saving a group of humanity that has been targeted to be pushed into despair by amoral aliens.
In the script this scene is titled Mami Room (Hallucination).
There's nothing concrete but there's no reason to think that Yuri Valhalla is not real and something "physical".
This is a good point, I mean although most of the time human Madoka is practically saintly in her selflessness she's still human and thus I wouldn't hold it against her that even as a goddess she can't generate a heaven that makes the human soul simply fall in awe, total happiness, and worship like say the biblical God.
Of course it's physical, Gretchen's heaven was very physical, and Madoka's heaven is obviously based on that.
He cited his source; it's the script. Do you not comprehend how citation works? When you hand in an essay you don't staple all of the books and other essays you sourced with it.
no one is going to spoonfeed you. find the script yourself. it's on the internet, and he's right.
Alright, and how that disprove what i said?
You know how it disproves what you said, which is why you tried to discredit it with .
Again, there's no proof that there isn't a yurivalhalla. The only point being made is that Mami's room doesn't in any way imply the presence of an afterlife and so it isn't canon.
Not necessarily, at most prove that Madoka didn't create a physical space but a illusory one and I don't think it makes much difference.
No. I'm implying that if she had so much power to create another entire heavenly paradise, she could do more than give Homura a ribbon.
Obviously she doesn't have that power, she isn't intentionally leaving everyone to play in yuri valhalla, she has no choice but to fulfill her wish and her duty as the new truth guiding the new world.
I don't think anyone is arguing that souls exist, just that it's not a heavenly paradise. I imagine being a part of the law of cycles isn't terrible, but it's not some bastion of infinite happiness and freedom as some would like to present it as.
Just a place where souls go to help service the order of the universe as part of the law of cycles.