>yep, that's totally a dude
Is everyone in this show just braindead? She doesn't even try to hide her fucking breasts.
Worst reverse trap ever.
What are moobs, OP?
You try asking the best student in your year who happens to look really girly, "are you really a boy?"
Hint: most people don't.
I want a Natsume to cop a feel.
That's just how Hanakana rolls.
Natsume isn't fat, retard.
>Is everyone in this show just braindead? She doesn't even try to hide her fucking breasts.
I bet she uses magic.
This is why Suzuka sees through her "disguise" immediately, but nobody else does.
>only fat people get moobs
What is puberty.
>What is puberty.
What a shitty excuse, fat boy.
>This is why Suzuka sees through her "disguise" immediately, but nobody else does.
I thought the problem was that Suzuka saw her in a miko outfit, so would piece two and two together when she actually met "Tsuchimikado Natsume".
Her magic was sealed anyways.
Kon is the best raven. I'm not even a lolicon, she's just adorable as fuck.
She gives off a male aura in the novels.
>I'm not even a lolicon
Good news for you then.
>She gives off a male aura in the novels.
What the hell is that supposed to mean.
Does she use Old Spice body wash in the morning or something?
My penis wasn't ready.
now it is kyaa~
>Her magic was sealed anyways.
Yeah but she's might still have Divine General class senses or something, I dunno.
"Natsume uses magic" is a better narrative excuse than "everyone is retarded".
My hebrew itouto.
Then why doesn't sensei and the Divine General know she's a a female and not a male
Please tell me that's her mom or older sister or something. Don't take my adorable little Kon away from me. ;_;
There isn't enough blood in my body to maintain consciousness and this boner, so I think I'm gonna pass out for a bit.
>implying sensei doesn't know
Her spirit aura is basically that of a males. Females and males have different spiritual auras. One is more yang and one is more yin.
I thought all the teachers DO know, where is it shown that they don't?
You're going to start losing cute things pretty soon.
Of course it's her mom. Kon is dead.
Does she have a genuine male spirit aura because of being Yakou's reincarnation or whatever or does she fake it?
I'm just kidding she's just put out of commission.
You better not be fucking trolling me anon.
Not the first one.
Maybe the second one.
Citation, please! I'm really curious.
It's pretty likely she's using magic to help conceal it, and the clothing just makes the magic more effective.
Her magic is limited with a seal, not sealed completely.
She's flat in both the manga and the LN illustrations. Chalk it up to one more bad detail in a mediocre adaptation and roll with it.
i haven't been keeping up, has she found out she's a dude yet? does she in the manga and what happens after if yes?
>tfw Harutora-sama will never love you as much as he does Natsume
Being Kon is suffering.
you are in for some suffering
She's pretty damn flat in OP's image too.
Just has a thin waist as well.
Tsuchimikado tradition is not the most important reason that Natsume is pretending to be male.
I've never seen these puberty boobs you seem to think exist
>tfw Daaaaarrliiiing will never love you as much as he does Natsume
being Suzuka is suffering
does Suzuka end up getting with Oni or anything or she just another victim of HaruNatsu?
It's in the fourth chapter of the eighth light novel. Basically Tenma told him and then he told Miyo-chan about her true gender. Miyo was also surprised.
I know, but all that implies is that she'd get adult help in crafting her magical disguise. Not that she'd lack such a disguise, or that she'd be able to hide it from all of her incredibly overpowered teachers.
True enough, though Natsume does seem more androgynous in the LN illustrations.
Thanks, I'll go read that.
Just you wait.
It gets even worse for her.
She's loved him and loyally waited for his return for over half a century.
Natsume is pretending to be male because Yakou's reincarnation is supposed to be male. Sharing that information with other people makes the Tsuchimikado head's precautions useless.
Right, AFAICT Natsume is the decoy who was swapped with Harutora deliberately to distract attention... and it works, she takes the bullet for him, right?
Why not swap an actual boy to replace him then?
He doesn't even have to be related to the family, just pluck any spiritually aware baby from an orphanage right?
Because PLOT one might assume.
Also on the off chance that the decoy didn't work, at least the head of the family would actually be someone from the goddam family, not some strange orphan kid.
Don't you mean "on the off chance the decoy DID work?" Because Natsume only remains the head so long as people DON'T figure out what's going on?
Seeing as how Natsume may not be a Tsuchimikado herself I wouldn't know. Perhaps Yasuzumi was hoping they would get hitched so the next heir of the house would still have the main house bloodline. You can't do that with two males.
Unsure. Common speculation is that Natsume was switched with Harutora at birth. Since the Tsuchimikado aren't that influential in modern times, it's possible that they couldn't eliminate the paper trail of an adoption.
Alternatively, there might be some reason that Natsume had to be of Tsuchimikado blood. Assuming that she is actually a Tsuchimikado.
Or as long as Yakutora doesn't happen. Prophecy is difficult stuff, it's always smart to have a fallback plan.
We know what WILL happen, but we're able to read the future in book format. They didn't get to do that.
I just had a hilarious thought.
What if they had switched in Kyoko instead of Natsume.
Her trying to pass herself off as male with those giant cow udders would be amusing.
Then Tokyo Ravens would probably not be a semi-serious story but a full on comedy. That or they would have lopped off her breasts.
Oh come on, you know Elevens have those magic bandages. Just look at Jean Ranmaru D'arc this season.
Why would the clan head seal Harutora's powers anyway?
His own protection, since there's a cult out there trying to kidnap and use him.
That's actually far more acceptable than other examples (I.e, Charlotte) - she's wearing loose-fitting clothing rather than skintight spandex, and while her tits were big, they weren't exceptionally perky.
The cult centered around him?
If his powers weren't sealed, his status as the reincarnation would be incredibly obvious.
I have gynecomastia, and is nothing like this bullshit.
He already handled that with the exchange.
The only thing the sealing did was make him nigh defenseless, especially seeing as how he's glued to Natsume's hip now.
Natsume is pretty acceptable in the novels. The anime increased her bust.
He's still a tsuchimikado, and if natsume is any indication having impressive powers is part and parcel with the family.
It's more unusual he can't do anything.
If Harutora's powers weren't sealed, his status as the reincarnation would be public knowledge from the moment he entered magic school. That kind of talent is unmistakable.
Though not as clear as the LN, even the anime makes implies that magic is involved. It doesn't affect people who already knows that she is a girl or obtained knowledge that she is one. The magic works on one's senses and the whole yin/yang thing.
Even sealed it's pretty remarkable. Nobody else in that class could have kept a familiar materialized all day, or exploded an enchanted sword with raw power.
If say, the person was given the full scope of the situation they could hide that talent themselves willingly. What the head did was effectively endanger everyone.
It's not that easy to hide, especially for a novice. It'd be possible to play dumb, I guess, but it would still be obvious that it was somebody gifted pretending to be stupid rather than simply somebody stupid.
Well obviously the head doesn't trust Yakou for whatever reason. That and according to Genji Yasuzumi has no ambition at all.
Not for a kid. Furthermore, it's a lot easier to hide if no one even knows to search.
It wouldn't be just talent, it would be memories too. He wouldn't be naive.
That happened with the exchange, the seal didn't do anything except cause someone to lose an eye and another their life.
A second magical prodigy in the Tsuchimikado line would've been cause for speculation because not many people know about the exact criteria for Yakou's reincarnation.
But I don't think we know enough about the Tsuchimikado adults at the moment to guess about their intentions.
Well maybe they just don't want him dragging their name through the mud even more.
Yasuzumi is the head I take it? What does having no ambition do with the sealing? And did he have cause not to trust yakou?
Kind of a shame, since Yakou sounds like a pretty decent dude, barring further revelations about exactly what he was doing with the ritual that misfired in Tokyo.
He wouldn't have looked like a magical prodigy.
No ambition = wanting to maintain the status quo = not wanting the reincarnation of Yakou to fuck everything up
Wait a moment.
Does that mean she likes Yakou and not Harutora?
Yakou is Harutora and Harutora is Yakou so it's sort of a moot point.
Personality wise, Yakou is pretty much a slightly more mature Harutora.
They're the same thing, it's not like Harutora is possessed somehow or something. Sealed Harutora was Yakou without his memory or his abilities, just raw spiritual power. Unsealed Yakou is Harutora with memories and abilities.
Kon is a sealed Hishamaru in the same vein that Harutora is a sealed Yakou.
We Kawamori now?
My understanding is that Natsume
Is basically a new Hishamaru? Like, Hishamaru used to be a human before Yakou turned her into a shikigami. Likewise, Natsume died, and a newly unsealed Harutora proceeded to revive her and combine her with her own shikigami?
So she's revived, but she's part dragon in the same way that Hishimaru is part fox.
Eh you got something wrong. Hishimaru was part fox from the very beginning.
"That child didn't have a name.
Taboo, possessed. That child was looked down upon and isolated. Even without any explanation, she understood herself as that kind of existence ever since she could remember. Not being cared for, not being loved, merely "there" day after day. She firmly believed it will repeat until the day she dies, believing this would be her "life".
But she was wrong.
Her life was full of ups and downs, not better or worse than any person of the same era. Everything began from an energetic voice. Shaking off family members, breaking into the prison and opening the heavy door, came the voice of a young boy.
"So you're my shikigami? I see, you're weird."
It was exactly like a light shone into the dark night. Being illuminated by the night's light, the true meaning of her "life" began."
Ah, right on,
But does this mean that loving Natsume would be a little weird, since she's more or less a shikigami now?
Whether you're a shikigami is more or less a moot point. Harutora is Natsume's shikigami as well.
Natsume loved Harutora when he was just her shikigami.
Is Kon immortal or something? Or did the part-human part-fox Hishamaru eventually die and turn into the fox spirit Kon/Hishamaru she is now?
I mean, she was contained in a piece of paper. Can you also stuff human shikigami into pieces of paper to be called out at will or is that something you can only do with spirits?
All spirit being are immortal so yes.
And the paper seal indeed only works spirits or man made shikigami
So Kon at some point made a transition from being part-human to a full supernatural spirit?
She became a spirit some time after Yakou died. She's tied to the world but she's not living like we are.
The important thing is:
can spirits have babies?
>Harutora is Natsume's shikigami as well.
Pretty sure Natsume was lied to and that ritual didn't do anything other than start to undo Harutora's seals.
>Pretty sure Natsume was lied to and that ritual didn't do anything other than start to undo Harutora's seal
No, the ritual did what it was supposed to do. It's the same ritual that's been used in the family for generations. The family didn't even intend nor want Natsume to accidentally start undoing Harutora's seals by contracting with him.
Who knows. Probably not.
I just want to take a moment and say that the new OP is utter fucking garbage.
D-does that mean Hishamaru will never be able to have adorable part-fox babies with her master?
Magic can make anything possible.
Haven't watched far enough for it, but I liked OP#1. That's unfortunate.
Why do the best girls never win?
>Hishimaru will never make a litter of kitsune babies with Harutora
But Natsumoe will win da Osaka Seagulls.
Did Yakou ever at least kiss Hishimaru?
And if Hishimaru died and become a spirit, is Natsume at least technically alive enough that reproduction is still possible?
This is what fan-works are for. Though to be honest, I expect nothing good for this particular fandom.
That's not Suzuka.
>can't into perception magic
Anon, those are the basics, how low is your powerlevel?
Kon really makes no fucking sense.
She dresses and talks like she came out of the Heian period or something but she's really not that old at all.
Maybe Hishamaru was a big fan of period dramas and when she got sealed that was the only thing remaining in that empty head of hers and Kon based her persona around that?
Tsuchimikados are a weird bunch.
Why are all the girls in this show such obvious whores?
I can get the who vamp cliche, but common.
But Kon is a pure and loyal maiden.
What are you talking about. Did you come here thinking this was a Strike the Blood thread?
Holy fuck I'm retarded, just skimmed this and thought it was another show.
My bad, long fucking day.
Also a Kon is fine too.
So are all Kon fans lolicons or are they just waiting for her adult form?
I think they all love fluffy tail plus loli.
It's fine anon.
Drillslut a shit
Suzuka > Kon > Natsume
Don't fight me on this. I like them all though.
Kon can be fluffy tail, loli, and older dfc.
Suzuka is already DFC, and Natsumoe is barely A.
I want to have conceptual sex with Suzuka in the mercenary position.
So let me get this straight.
The entire first arc is Hurrtora lecturing Suzuka on "YOU'RE NOT LIVING YOUR LIFE CORRECTLY" and telling her not to use the Taizan Fukun ritual to revive her dead brother.
But as soon as Natsume dies he uses it to revive her.
Abe no Seimei married a nine-tail fox and birth the powerful Tsuchimikado bloodline. Don't see why isn't possible with harutora and Hishamaru.
No his issue was she was going to sacrifice her life to revive him, not revive itself.
So a chess game?
Abe no Seimei is supposed to be the son of Kuzunoha, who is supposed to have been an enshrined kitsune. Nothing suggests that she was a nine-tailed fox, which tend to be big-time monsters.
What happens to the girls after finding out they been lusting after Yakou's reincarnation?
Do they congratulate themselves on having good taste in finding a diamond in the rough?
Do they get wet lusting after a Bad Boy?
Does it somehow confirm to them that their male breeding sensors aren't broken?
Yakou's Tokyo Harem
By then shit's hit the fan so hard that it'll be hardly touched upon.
Poor Kyouko, learning so late who it was that had actually made her that promise
You sick fuck.
So do I.
So, happens to Kyouko after shit hits the fan?
This is why I doubt he'll be final villain.
He's doing his own thing, for sure, but I doubt his motives are evil or bad.
Wasn't Yakou's reincarnation ritual based on Abe no Seimei's? Because that's what I remember readong, and if so, I almost bet the real villain is Abe no Seimei's reincarnation or some shit.
She stays irrelevant.
Doesn't Suzuka die, too? I think there was some novelfag in an earlier thread who said so.
Thank you kind anon. I can now rest easy.
Which fan you are talking about? Vol 7, 8 or 9?
She gets the star reading ability in volume 9.
He doesn't like the sacrifice of lives. Reviving someone is understandable to him.
You have no idea how happy this makes me.
All three I suppose. But more interested in the details to her reaction to: "Natsume is a girl all along; Harutora's the one who she made a promise with"
The fucking problem with 4chan spoilers is that I'm always tempted to read them. Fuck I guess this is what I get for being an anime only faggot. Looks like its LN time for me.
I improved your shitty Natsume and replaced her with a better Natsume.
Hell, Natsume is even a better reverse trap than your Natsume.
>ends up being a super minor character
I was surprised.
Does she gain a bigger role in the novel later?
Not much so far, but she's bound to have some importance later on since her father is in charge of the Onmyou Agency, meaning that he's a major antagonist.
season 5 when?
Not soon enough.
[spoilers]she doesn't take very well. Her character development mainly deals come to terms with it, Natsume and Harutora. she also gets a new power as stated>>100939133
she doesn't take very well. Her character development mainly deals come to terms with it, Natsume and Harutora. she also gets a new power as stated>>100939133
I love how this series is named "Tokyo Ravens" when there is no fucking ravens at all.
Why not Tokyo Tigers or something like that.
>She doesn't take very well. Her character development mainly deals come to terms with it, Natsume and Harutora. she also gets a new power as stated>>100939133
>When there is no Ravens at all
Nigga Bakatora IS the Raven
Why isn't his name Harukarasu then?
Nigga Bakatora is a Tiger,look that hair
Have you even been watching the show? Raven coat sounds familiar?
Y'all forgetting they saw " natsume's" bare chest. And due to related events now think natsume and harutora are gay and that harutora is a lolicon.
She doesn't take very well, and her character development mainly revolves around coming to terms with it and Natsume and Harutora. Also as >>100939133 stated, she gets a new power.
What Raven coat,I'm stuck in Episode 12
It's only a matter of time anons, You'll see.
Thank you very much for the effort Anon. Saw your posts. Now I only wonder what her new power is for and how it may come to play with her dealing with Natsume and Harutora's relationship.
I ain't gonna wait a shit,I want answers now,where are my fucking promised Ravens
What IS up with his tiger motif? It doesn't seem to mean much considering it doesn't relate to his personality, his fighting style, his choice of shikigami, his previous reincarnation, etc. he just has vaguely tiger-themed hair.
I picked this expecting Ravens, I got nothing but Seagulls
Second half of episode 12 is where the raven coat is first mentioned.
It's gonna have a tiger on it isn't it?
Please tell me he travels around as a Raven, transforming into a person to provide mysterious and enigmatic advice to different parties around Tokyo.
And it is Vol 10,
The anime is going to adapt until Vol 9 and S2 fucking never.
Fuck this gay earth.
We'll see some sort of raven magic
I wonder of he gets along with the tengu guy.
The guy knows how to make an entrance, but I think it's partially because the Raven is seen as a fairly powerful totem associated with wisdom and trickery, but also a lot of bad things.
Bird transformations like that go back to such characters like Athena I think, except she was an owl.
Will we ever get Harutora's perspective again? Or is he permanently a side character in the LN now?
Because you have a lesser one.
Probably after Natsumoe is done being the new MC
I'm sure it will cut to him sometimes in the novel. I mean we even got see Daizen Amami's side of things during the clean up the Yakou Believers.
We're never going to get translations of the LNs, are we?
This makes me sad.
What exactly is happening here?
>Never get Translations
25 January, 2014 - Volume 4 Chapter 2 Completed
22 January, 2014 - Volume 4 Chapter 1 Completed
21 January, 2014 - Volume 3 Chapter 5 Completed (Volume 3 fully completed)
18 January, 2014 - Volume 3 Chapter 4 Completed
15 January, 2014 - Volume 3 Chapter 3 Completed
12 January, 2014 - Volume 3 Chapter 2 Completed
9 January, 2014 - Volume 3 Chapter 1 Completed
6 January, 2014 - Volume 2 Chapter 5 Completed (Volume 2 fully completed)
4 January, 2014 - Volume 2 Chapter 4 Completed
Lygophile has been shitting translations out left and right lately, Just give him some time.
Oh my dick
I think I just found out what I'm going to do for the next couple of days. Too bad most of the juicy stuff happens in the later volumes.
>Too bad most of juicy stuff happens in later volumes
Wait, I take this back, Lygophile is pumping out a chapter every other day? Fucking awesome.
Crying that Harutora hasn't taken responsibility for implanting new life withing her.
Natsume coming to the realization that she might never see Bakatora again, So she did one of those anime cliches where she screams her feelings into the air in hopes of her feelings getting to him, Since technically she wasn't concious when Bakatora returned her feelings
>already on Vol 4
I'm sure we will, I think part of the reason we switched protagonists is because, if we still followed Harutora, it'd give away too much of what's going on as well as Bakatora's motives, since right now we're still in the dark as to whether Yakoutora has gone full bad guy/final villain or not.
I also like it when stories change perspective for a while, I find it refreshing.
Hopefully he won't forget this project after the anime ends, I'd really like to know how this story will end and I don't know moon
I just hope that l BD sales got better so we can dream with another season
What's with that outfit though? Anyway, I'm still confused with what will become of their "spiritual" relation to each other... they're technically both master AND shikigami to each other. This seems like some new form of marriage. Sasuga Yakou, father of modern shamanism.
Their master-shikigami relationship disappears when Natsume dies
The same happened to Kakugyouki and Hishamaru when Yakou died.
Great. So did the reviving ritual revert the situation of master-shikigami? The former master is now the shikigami?
We also don't know if his years as Bakatora may have influenced him either.
No. Each is now independent of the other.
Natsumoe however, is now linked to Hokuto.
Sounds good. Thanks.
Most likely yes; at the end of the day, it is still life experience he got from those years, and as a failure opposed to a genius, no less.
I think this is creating a false distinction,
Bakatora was Yakou without his memories or abilities, Yakou is just Bakatora with memories and abilities. If anything changes with regards to his behavior it's because he has information he needs to act on.
We already know from some comments made by Kakugyouki that Yakou was a loyal and upstanding person, and we know from Hishamaru's flashbacks that Yakou did everything he could to help and protect others under his jurisdiction. Not to mention, the prep school headmaster grandma recalls Yakou fondly, as a fellow who loved to play Shogi despite being terrible at it.
Yakou/Harutora is a good person, but he's a good person who may be willing to do bad things if it's for the greater good.
Like opening a dark portal?
And this is why I find it implausible he'll get to be final villain, it seems there's something else running amok that Yakoutora's trying to deal with.
Some LN readers have made comments that Yakou acts like a more mature Harutora.
Medivh was kind of nuts, and the WoW lore is so tangled up now that I don't honestly know if he was the good nuts or the bad nuts now, just that he was nuts.
That's what the other anon's saying:
Yakou is harutora as much as harutora is harutora, but now has the memories and the abilities of his past life, which made him more mature, which is why it's incorrect to separate the two as if they were two distinct individuals sharing the same body
I'd agree with this, I don't know if we've been given some insight as to who the villain is though with regards to Suzu, the red glasses dude, and that fellow with the red lock of hair who seems to be controlling things somehow.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Yakou worshipping faction was actually setup to out Yakou before killing him off somehow.
That makes sense to me, since he's literally Harutora with more memories.
>I wouldn't be surprised if the Yakou worshipping faction was actually setup to out Yakou before killing him off somehow.
This makes sense, if you're planning to use Onmyouji to fuck things up royally, the last thing you'd want is the guy who reinvented it ruining your day without you getting at least a heads up.
So uh, did Yakou ever make babies with someone during his time? Who continued the Tsuchimikado bloodline if he didn't?
Saying Harutora is Yakou without memories isn't entirely right.
Not only has Harutora got his past memories sealed, but his powers were sealed as well - until Natsume inadvertently awakened them when she made him her shikigami - and the biggest issue is that he was kept away from the onmyouji world. Notice how at the beginning, Harutora had no interest in becoming an onmyouji.
Yasuzumi had, almost successfully killed almost any enthusiasm Harutora might have had about becoming an onmyouji by making him a total stranger to that world.
Given that upbringing and lack of powers, he ended up as this clumsy guy who isn't that good at onmyoudou - until he saw Ohtomo vs D and got pumped as hell. Compare that to Yakou who was an unparalleled genius, father of modern onmyoudou. He was like that since he was young.
So, whilst in terms of personality Harutora an Yakou are really similar, their upbringing as circumstances also made them somewhat different.
Furthermore, you could say the Harutora of the first half is - technically - gone for good, since the clumsy, hot-headed, underdog is gone for real. Even if Harutora and Yakou are yet same person, the Hatutora we knew is still gone in a way.
>>I'd agree with this, I don't know if we've been given some insight as to who the villain is though with regards to Suzu, the red glasses dude, and that fellow with the red lock of hair who seems to be controlling things somehow.
Don't read this if don't want to be spoil'd
Genji Kurahashi, Takiko (and the Souma Clan in general), Shidou Daireji and Mutobe are pretty much main antagonists since the start of the series. Douman was a villain until Twin Horn tried to kill him. Suzu is on nobody side, but her own as far I can tell.[/spoilers]
It isn't completely right, but it is easier for everyone to understand since usually when manga/anime deal with reincarnations and what not usually the "current" character vanishes completely being replaced usually by someone who has nothing in common with them.
That just isn't the case in Tokyo Ravens
Think of it in terms of amnesia, you have a perso n who has forgotten their past one day remembering it. They were always Yakou, and by all indications their personality remains the same, if a bit more mature.
It's a case of amnesia spanning 5 decades and two bodies, but a case of amnesia nonetheless.
>their personality remains the same
In some aspects - such as being really kind and caring for his friends - their personality is indeed the same.
However, on other aspects, they are somewhat different. YakoTora is considerably calm and composed. One of his main strengths is planning ahead and reading his opponents. YakoTora, as he is now, is considerably different from how Harutora was in volumes 1-8.
I think your amnesia analogy is correct, but you should also remember that an amnesiac person can develop into a different person from the one they used to be, and given enough time, that personality can become "dominant" to a point in which recovering their old memories won't make them revert into the person they used to be. I've seen such cases.
Harutora had led a life is his own, with circumstances considerably different to Yakou's at his same age. That's the point I'm trying to make here, since for all we know, had Harutora aged normally, with no Yakou memories, he could have turned out differently from Yakou at a grown up age.