So I watched this anime not really knowing what status it has in the community. But the more I lurked on 4chan the more I found that a lot of people really dig this anime, making threads about it and putting it in their 3x3s, etc.
I just don't get it. What is so good about this? I watched it and it just felt like a ghibli film minus any sense of wonderment or adventure. Example:
>We live in a village surrounded by walls?
>What's beyond the walls?
>Don't know and we never find out.
Is there just something I'm not getting?
>Is there just something I'm not getting?
You are probably retard who enjoys shounenshit or moeshit. Go watch KlK or Sakura Trick and don't bother us with your stupidity.
The walls are made of Titans. Only death awaits beyond them.
Which haibane would you fuck?
Sounds like you did't get it, all pretention aside. Whats behind the walls doesn't matter, they're in some kind of purgatory and they need to let go of their previous lives to 'move on' to whatever lies beyond. Theres no more mystery to it than that.
Haibane Renmei is my all time fave anime because of how relaxing it is to watch. It's the best slice of life ever.
>What is so good about this?
Nothing. It's shit. The scene where she grew her wings was cool as fuck, that's about it.
>I just don't get it.
That's because you're a pleb.
>it just felt like a ghibli film
I'm assuming you haven't watched much anime.
Don't sexualize the Haibanes please.
>hi i'm 12 and I only watch cool and manly anime :^)
Why did they railroad Reki's sublpot?
HR is a dull as fuck SOL. The characters, dialogue and scenes are forgettable as fuck. Cry more.
It's the best of ABe works, but that really isn't saying much at all. 2deep4u
>Literally a Naruto/Bleach shitter
Never watched either of those. Congrats you are a childish shitposter.
I liked the scene, it was well animated and directed. It's also one of the very few memorable scenes from this shit show. You are a fuckhead.
shut your whore mouth you dummy
Wow your aggressive contrarianism is so cool, +40 4chan points to you. Next we can jack off about how much we hate other popular anime. :^)
We still haven't resolved the question.
Do their wings twitch when they orgasm?
>anyone who doesn't like this one show that is only popular amongst a loud minority a hipster contrarian emoticon witty retort
and people like you think you aren't the shitposter.
we try not to sexualize rakka
It's simple yet ambitious with its themes which I think were nicely explored. It also strikes a pleasant balance of mellow and serious reflected in the characters, dialogue and imagery. It seems like it has to hit some personal notes to leave a really strong impression though. But if you're one of those people then you're in for a great emotional ride.
it's not that "meaningful" or extremely profound, but it's still very nice and worth watching. definitely a better series than the more popular lain
You think one of the best anime of all time is shit and only liked the scene where the wings come out (the only scene with blood in it), surely you don't have shit taste. :^)
No I got that the "village" was metaphorical for a kind of afterlife. That was made apparent the moment that they made these characters angels. But, correct me if I'm wrong here, they seem to do a lot in the way of foreshadowing and detailing the more mysterious aspects of the world and then just don't go anywhere with it.
All trolling aside, what he says seems very true. Some find the show "relaxing". I just found it plain and boring that didn't even make up for it by being very intellectually stimulating with its symbolism, themes, or meaning.
It's about inner redemption, forgiveness, atonement, blah blah blah. But that's all just simple stuff. So what we have here is a boring anime that goes nowhere for the first 10 episodes, that is preachy about something simple and obvious.
Speak for you.
I would love some Rakka porn. But there is none.
HR is my favourite anime and i watch KLK too. Get on my level, kouhai
>You think one of the best anime of all time
Nice childish claim that your opinion is fact.
>only liked the scene where the wings come out (the only scene with blood in it),
Strange, I already explained why I liked that scene and did not mention blood.
witty retort emoticon. You are pathetic kid.
The problem here is that you obviously thought what was behind the walls had some significance, and that points to a lack of understanding about the text and what it's trying to convey. You say it's all simple stuff and yet you misunderstand even the basics about what it was trying to say about the world? I don't think you would really care about what the hell the walls were if you understood it the way you think you do.
>It's about inner redemption, forgiveness, atonement, blah blah blah. But that's all just simple stuff.
i don't want to exaggerate the intellectual depth of haibane renmei, but i don't think those topics are very simple or easily explored at all
I think you are wrong and trying to make your puddle look like an ocean.
You seem to have misread the foreshadowing, the world building that was explored was intended to give off two impressions to the viewer, that of the scale of the setting, and the second, to leave a sense of mystery. You weren't intended to discover every fact of the worl they lived in because you were supposed to be placing yourself in the contextual experience of the characters; specifically Rakka herself. Having to accept the mysteries as ones that wouldn't be solved, so to speak, was a unique type of wisdom that similar thematic media tend to lack. You aren't supposed to know every single reason and fact about their existence and I feel you missed the point if you expected it to be neatly resolved.
The anime also relies on the viewer's emotional connection to the characters, and if you missed that from the get-go and were instead focused on other details, the anime isn't going to be for you.
This, Lain and KnT are the top 3 trash anime recommended by /a/.
you're supposed to infer your own meaning. its as deep as your interpretation, i guess.
my meaning is that they were in a holding station after death and before the afterlife and had to learn to forgive themselves before they could move on.
>simple and obvious
You seem to assume a story has to talk about something "new" to be deep and exciting.
You do realize all fiction are just rehashing on the same old themes right?
Most of what you call simple stuff has been told and retold since thousands of years ago.
I'd say redemption and atonement are some of the most difficult topics for humans to come to terms with. After all, almost all religions are based around them.
But like another anons have said, you seemed to have missed the point. If you really think the first 10 episodes contributed nothing, then it's up to you personally to try to imagine why they were included at all. The creators' intents was to draw you, the viewer in, and try to actively connect with your emotions. A message to forgive yourself means nothing if you feel nothing for the deliverer of the message. And, like you did, you found it preachy instead of genuine.
There's nothing wrong with not like Haibane Renmei, but I would ask you to be more critical instead of saying that episodes were pointless.
I think you have a serious lack of understanding about texts and how to analyse them if you think that themes have more or less 'depth' than others and have some sort of limitation as to how they can be explored.
Oh yeah this show is about the Holocaust +4 points to 'deepness'. Not how it works kiddo, some of the most interesting works are about everyday life, nothing more important that going about your daily routine, but they still have a LOT to say if you don't brush it off and say "OH yeah I know all about that"
Wrong. Like I said, the show itself makes a pretty big deal about what lay beyond the walls, the mysterious aspects of the Haibanes themselves, and the people and groups associated with these parts of the world. Now, as a viewer, is not a logical step to expect that to go somewhere? Yes? Okay, we're in agreement. Let me be very clear here, the symbolism, the intellectualism, and the depth of the show is secondary to the devices it uses to convey those aspects. Shit devices = shit intellectualism. If it doesn't make sense as a story, as a world, and as a show, then how the fuck can it properly try to convey its meaning? I'll leave that question for you to answer.
Secondly, it's because the themes are so simple that I care what's beyond the wall. It's the only mystery left. All that's left without that question is just a kind of inner turmoil turned into an outer purgatory.
Lastly, let me pose this question for you, so you can get where I'm coming from without just assuming my intellect is lacking, okay? Wouldn't it be interesting, in exploring the theme of inner redemption, to have one of the Haibanes go outside of the wall, symbolizing a kind despair or madness, and then have them return to the village? Wouldn't that be interesting? I think so. But instead the show stays in its quiet little village and looses a lot of entertainment value because it.
And when I'm watching anime, I like to be entertained. And is that really so wrong?
Get on my level.
I'm not OP.
I find you people bashing OP for thinking about what was outside the fence simply because he found what the meat of the story was uninteresting shit retarded. You are missing the point.
That's nice. Haibane Renmei doesn't explore shit. I'm not going to pretend this crappy little SoL show is Gran Torino
By your own admission he missed the point by dismissing the meat of the story simply because he felt himself above the topics explored.
And it does explore themes, it's your bias that how they were explored disqualifies them from being present.
Using Gran Torino as an example of a deep piece of media means you're pretty young I guess? Apart from that he just shows a lack of understanding about HR that shows even if he says it's all so simple he doesn't get it at all. The 'mysteries' are kept mysterious deliberately, the crux of the show is never 'what lies behind the wall', but the mystery of it is introduced to draw you closer to Rakkas character as a newborn in a strange new world. You're supposed be viewing things through her and Rekis eyes and the caravans coming in to trade was a scene meant to reinforce "We're not in kansas anymore toto". To somehow think that you're owed answers about the nature of the world they live in because they introduced a mystery they had no intention of every answering is kind of missing the point.
>show a decade ago should cater to muh assumptions about entertainment
Also, in case you haven't noticed, anime has already gone the direction you wanted anyway.
Go watch your SnKs and Valvraves if your ADHD can't handle Haibane.
>Using Gran Torino as an example of a deep piece of media means you're pretty young I guess?
No, it's an example of how simply hollywood films of redemption are beyond crappy SoL trash. Was I supposed to say Schindler's List for you to shut up or are you going to pretend this rubbish is on par with that aswell?
>the crux of the show is never 'what lies behind the wall'
He never thought it was. Why don't you stop being a fucking prejudice coward and actually read what he said?
oh I see you did, typical response from childish 2deep4u fag
If we're suppose to be viewing it through the Haibane's eyes, wouldn't they be wondering what lies behing the walls? And if they, in some fashion, tried to explore that mystery and in turn explore the themes in greater depth, wouldn't that have connected us better to there characters, the world, and the themes in general?
> the show itself makes a pretty big deal about what lay beyond the walls
The show didn't. Some of the characters did because of the circumstances and it was central to the show's themes, sure. They had to do something before they could move on otherwise they were stuck inside the huge walls. The show was about inner struggle not about uncovering some sort of a mystery. Why the fuck would you want to open the box to literally see what's inside? Why would you just assume what the authors wanted to do and dismiss it as a failure. How about instead you take the show as it is and decide what the walls meant yourself. Sure there were things they could have explored better such as the supporting characters (it's still fine that they decided to focus on Rakka and Reki) but what you view as mysteries that went nowhere are mostly pieces of imagery that set the tone of the story.
You're also a condescending ass.
There were other things that concerned the Haibane more than trying to explore a taboo, which is where the humanity of the characters shine. The characters themselves, after they received their wings, are intended to be as close to believable as possible.
Exploring a mystery that would be, impossible, WOULD distance you from the characters IF you were able to relate to them the way that was intended.
>Why the fuck would you want to open the box to literally see what's inside?
Holy fuck are you a retard? This is literally the dumbest question of the day.
>wants to bash show but can't come up with legit criticism
>i know, I'll namedrop Hollywood films to make myself seem intelligent on /a/
babby's first troll
Not that anon, but he's right. The catbox sometimes is better than the definitive answer.
Nice argument there buddy. Get some taste in storytelling.
You miss the point of most major storytelling by immediately showing and explaining everything to the viewer. If that was the intent of media then everything might as well just be an instructional manual or linear nonfiction.
Maybe, but we're entering fan fiction territory then. You're not supposed to be rewriting it in your head to suit your tastes you're supposed to be watching it as is and thinking about why it is that way. Rakka and the other Haibane don't try to explore the mystery, why? Because ultimately it's unimportant. The themes of Haibane are presented on a very small scale, it's a personal story focused mostly around Rakka and Reki, the world they live in is what it is and you're definitely supposed to wonder about it, as we do our own world but in the end the story isn't about Rakka sleuthing around and uncovering the mystery of the Haibane world, it's about connecting with the other Haibanes and eventually helping her friend let go of her old life and move on.
Its what a cute girls doing cute things show should be like.
Heartwarming and "healing" but not sacrificing substance and plot for the sake of it
Being spoonfed answers to every asinine question the viewer might think up would be some pretty horrid writing to be honest. Sometimes the question is more beautiful than the answer, particularly when the question doesn't have much relevance to the main plot.
>but he's right.
No, he isn't. He wants everyone to think curiosity is not one of the primary motivations of the actions of human beings. People want others to believe these shitty characters are realistic and real human beans when they are practically void of something so major.
> by immediately showing and explaining everything to the viewer.
Because that's exactly what I just said right, that everyone must be shown immediately. Can you actually make a single post without putting words in someone's mouth? I guess you just have to make something up for you to argue against.
> Can you actually make a single post without putting words in someone's mouth? I guess you just have to make something up for you to argue against.
>tfw you'll never steal Rakka's smelly sandals
He is right to the point of the question. There are a lot of works that, if answered the questions literally, would just lose their charms.
The characters were curious about it. To the point that you thought the show was making a big deal out of it apparently. The show, however, didn't show you what was beyond the walls because showing you an actual image would be absolutely pointless. Instead you get to enjoy speculating about what it was, why they were isolated inside, why they left and what they had to do to be able to leave.
I don't think it's really for you to judge that the characters weren't human enough because they didn't act on a curiosity that was implied to have consequences. So they didn't explore the walls or try to go outside of them, does that mean they're completely devoid of curiosity?
The cast is of young girls who were coping and interacting with each other. They had no believable reason, considering the circumstances, to try to do what you claim was the main point of the story. I don't know how else to explain it but the story was never about that, the characters are solid and believable to me because I could relate to them. Not every human curiosity must be acted upon to prove that they have the trait.
>bunch of generic girls with copy paste personalities do nothing for 2/3 of the show
>oldest girl goes emo for 2 eps and gets over it
>for no reason this is like purgatory and they have angel wings when this same story could be told in real town
See, one of the greatest masterpieces in the West is Hamlet, and the question of if he was sane or insane during the appropriate parts of the play is one of the richest literary questions that one can ask.
Do you know what happens after death, OP? Because that's the point. The Haibane don't know what happens after the Day of Flight, their equivalent to death. Yet they still have to wait their turns and take them anyway.
Actually the curiosity was there all along. They were made to believe that going beyond the walls was a huge taboo and Reki even tried to rebel against that.
>other things that concerned the Haibane more than trying to explore a taboo
Touching the wall is taboo but going beyond the wall (aka taking flight) was natural to all Haibane eventually. Wondering about what's beyond the walls is normal.
>The show didn't. Some of the characters did...
Dafuq? How are the characters not the show?
>The show was about inner struggle not about uncovering some sort of a mystery
That's right. Inner struggle, inner redemption. But in order to attain redemption and piece you must ask "the big questions" and answer them. So that's why I think ansering the questions and mysteries the show poses actually ties in with it's themes, not detracts from them.
>Why would you just assume what the authors wanted to do and dismiss it as a failure.
Because it failed to entertain my or touch my mind and soul.
>Why the fuck would you want to open the box to literally see what's inside? [Later] Why would you just assume what the authors wanted to do and dismiss it as a failure. How about instead you take the show as it is and decide what the walls meant yourself.
Mostly because I think that when all a write leaves the viewer is ambiguity then he is useless. He has failed to convey any meaning, wisdom, or knowledge. The writer and work becomes incidental and it's all left to the audience. Why write then?
>You're also a condescending ass.
And you're insensitive to people who were born as condescending asses :P
If they were just in a high school or whatever the show would lose its rich sense of mystery, it could be done and still turn out well, but as a supernatural work Haibane is kind of stand alone.
Unless you add more modern elements to make it like Angel Beats where every mystery is explored and given an explanation, and also romantic elements that aren't realistic.
Speaking of that, OP would probably enjoy it a lot more. More action, more explained mysteries, and a more diverse cast.
>To the point that you thought the show was making a big deal out of it apparently.
again fuckwit I am not OP and he did not do this either. Learn to read.
>to try to do what you claim was the main point of the story.
another fuckwit. What is wrong with you people?
The worst part is is that the guy who made it admitted he just added angel wings and shit like that to make it seem deep.
Over an hour of 'stop liking what I don't like' tier argumentation... this is what Haibane threads have become? Fuck /a/.
> I don't think it's really for you to judge that the characters weren't human enough because they didn't act on a curiosity that was implied to have consequences. So they didn't explore the walls or try to go outside of them, does that mean they're completely devoid of curiosity?
Frankly they seem to be. Dumb bitch takes a halo holder and instead of examining it makes bagels out of it. Funny, cutesy, charming, but not what I would have done.
I dunno what to say man. There are a lot of mysteries in the world you live in right now, why aren't you becoming an astrophysicist to unlock the mysteries of the universe, or a biologist to chart the species we havn't encountered? Just because there are mysteries in the world around us and we're curious about them doesn't mean our lives have to revolve around them.
I think obsessing over irrelevant minutia is pretty stupid myself. It's like watching Alien and complaining that the movie didn't answer how the alien ship crashed there, I mean they totally showed the ship and made you wonder why it was carrying a cargo of alien eggs, why didn't they spell it out for us? You just gotta take some things at face value anon and answer some questions on your own.
Have you watched it? Haibane have already died and the entire setting is eschatological impression of what afterlife might be.
Basically everything is purgatory and everyone is Jesus.
>made to believe that going beyond the walls was a huge taboo
How can it be taboo when it happens to all the haibane.
>If they were just in a high school or whatever the show would lose its rich sense of mystery
There's no mystery. It's exactly what is appears to be. The plane of existence between life and death.
that's it. You are an idiot. The same damn story could be set anywhere.
The point being made was that there was still something beyond the purgatory where the Haibane resided. Which the entire series leads up to.
>mysteries of real universe apply to a tiny little town with walls around it
No, your analogies are /v/ tier.
The author has said it's about people who committed suicide in their previous life. I have watched it you incompetent shittard, is it so weird to think that purgatory could have the Day of Flight as a parallel or metaphor for death in real life?
Because of the timing associated with the event. Like how sex with someone underage is a taboo, but once they reach maturity it is not so.
kek. This is the kind of thread Haibane threads deserve.
OP here. When I first watched angel beats I did like it but looking back it is kinda bad. Better than HR? Really I don't even know anymore. The main protagonist is duller than distilled water, everyone seems to have an Oedipus complex for Yuripi, and our main heroin is nearly mute.
But I think angel beats does a good job of explaining what I'm trying to say. How did Otanashi die, why are people there, who angel? Answering these questions adds depth, adds story, and adds entertainment. Not taking away from it. A lot of you seem to be saying that depth is created in asking questions rather than actually answering or even trying to answer them. I don't think so.
>baww muh circlejerk
>But in order to attain redemption and piece you must ask "the big questions" and answer them.
The big questions don't relate in any way to the world around them though? They're in purgatory and need to move on by connectiong emotionally to other people, how does finding out whats behind the wall help with that? It's heavily implied that the Haibane were suicide victims and that the village is populated by the best of humanity to help them and guide them when they're given a fresh start. Finding out whats behind the wall doesn't solve the emotional trauma they carry over from their past lives, therefore it is irrelevant, it's only there to flesh out the world they live in.
Way to jump to conclusions.
You know what I mean asshole. It's a taboo to do so before it's your time.
Mostly because I think that when all a write leaves the viewer is ambiguity then he is useless. He has failed to convey any meaning, wisdom, or knowledge. The writer and work becomes incidental and it's all left to the audience. Why write then?
That's not really true though. A really good author conveys what he wants without spilling all the beans. It's always more enjoyable to piece it together yourself instead being spoonfed. You just jump to conclusion and going Frodo all over the show labeling it a failure because it didn't fulfill your ridiculous expectations.
Too bored, a bait thread is better than no thread.
Actually I think Angel Beats is horrid shit compared to HR, but it seemed to be more inline for what you were looking for, which is, solved mysteries. In my opinion AB over explained and gave poorly written explanations for what was shown but there you go. I prefer the sense of deeper mystery and intrigue that left an impression on me personally which HR succeeded in. Again, for me personally.
Well it stays mysterious if they never show what's beyond them and leads to speculation for the viewer to interpret their own guesses.
Besides, they were warned and all that fun stuff about the walls and there were many cases of the people getting sick and/or injured from just being around the walls so they became fearful of them.
The show has a lot of interesting culture/world building and cool character interactions. It's the main focus of the show.
>Answering these questions adds depth, adds story, and adds entertainment.
No. It adds canon lore and that's it. That doesn't necessarily have to be something good and it can even be detrimental if it takes away complexity by eliminating the possibility of lots of interesting alternative lore aspects.
Stunning contributions that merely serve to prove my point. I honestly don't give a shit that some retards don't like the show and insist on joining the thread despite that fact, what is a greater signifier of a lack of quality is that threads about this show used to discuss the show itself rather than discussing whether person A is a retard for liking the show or person B is a retard for not liking the show. Out of all the shows /a/ talks about, this one seemed to hold out the longest before turning into this kind of dynamic, but I guess we're finally too far gone.
>Mostly because I think that when all a write leaves the viewer is ambiguity then he is useless.
Guess we just disagree then, for me the best shows and books are ones where you find the meaning yourself not ones where there's a "moral of the story" post script. The stories that have the most longevity are generally those that leave you to piece in the gaps yourself, not ones that painstakingly try to wrap everything up, in fact I'd argue that's just poor writing.
>baawww muh circlejerk
Wow. This thread got really bad, really fast.
Though I'm not surprised, as it's 2:00pm on a Saturday.
I don't like HR but I'm sorry that your threads had to turn into >>100906811.
Addendum: A skilled writer will be able to fit in ambiguity that lets the door open to multitudes of interpretations, granting a work the ability to stand the test of time.
Take a look at the classics of literature. Those that have been more than a short fad are always those that enable lots of interpretations.
>It's a taboo to do so before it's your time.
All this talk about timing. The only reason timing is even a problem is because the other haibane don't want to see their friends leave. There's no set timeline that says you can only consider taking flight after a set number of years. It's definitely not taboo to go beyond the walls.
Yeah, it's unfortunate. If I had joined earlier I would have tried to push it back on the rails, but I don't see it going anywhere at this point.
why is the SnK mangaka such a fucking hack.
No that's not the only reason. There's also the reason that they kiiinda die when they touch the wall. And the Toga keep saying not to go either. Please stop fucking up so hard and watch the show before coming back.
Okay, so you're in a completely new universe with limited memories of your previous life, you're several years younger than you are currently and are younger teenage girl.
Please tell me what you would do in those circumstances. I actually found the scene one of the most charming in the series, because of the juxtaposition of the unknown with the familiar, a bagel? It's so comforting, and in the mind of the characters, surely one of if not the first thing to come to mind when seeing the shaped functions of the halo holder.
It's not a completely nonsensical scene and I thought it was really clever.
Expecting the characters to behave exactly like you, "reasonable" and "logical" despite age and other factors would certainly kill the enjoyable aspects of the series.
Reki is my trainfu
Touching the wall and going beyond the wall/taking flight are two completely different things. Look back at >>100906002, I replied saying it can't be taboo since all haibane eventually take flight, Reki was just messed up.
Okay bro I'm really trying hard to get where you're coming from.
I call that story. There are two kinds though. Pointless exposition about things that don't really matter (the history concerning Kingdom X) and actually material that enhances the show. I though Otanashi's death story was really touching. It
>Alternative lore aspects
I call that speculation or just thing you make up.
Let me make something apparent to you lot.
>Answering a question posed.
Is not necessarily equal to spoon feeding, exposition, or filler.
>Normal characters doing normal things
Does not necessarily equal to relate-able characters doing relate-able things.
>Ambiguity, subtlety, and mundaneness in a work
Does not necessarily equal depth.
I don't want to post troll tier copypasta but dealing with you 2deep4u asshats has left a soul taste in my mouth. If you need me I'll be on /h/ posting pictures of Haibane Renmei porn.
Made you look[spoiler/]
So what are they going to superman bound over the wall? The Toga constantly repeat "Do not go NEAR the walls". Yes, unfortunately, to pass from inside to outside, you need to go near the wall. Otherwise, you need to climb it or something until your Day of Flight when you learn to fly. However, no one learns to fly until their Day of Flight. Was that dumbed down enough for you?
It's amazingly atmospheric and has somewhat complex characters.
I'm a sucker for any twisted and ambiguous religious themes too.
I only watched a few episodes of it but I kind of had the same problem as OP, but not really. I couldn't really relax with it because I saw some unpleasant things where the author probably didn't mean there to be. Like the fact that the children with wings are not payed with money.
Are you >>100906002?
>If we're suppose to be viewing it through the Haibane's eyes, wouldn't they be wondering what lies behing the walls?
You're just forcing yourself into the show. You want to control the story, you want the characters to act like you would act. It doesn't work like that.
The older Haibane know that it's dangerous to go near the wall and why. Rakka doesn't but both you and her find out later. She realize that her own inner problems are more important to deal with, as well as being a part of the community she now is in so she can survive. By the time she's heard of the other's life stories, or at least the parts they decided to share and finding out what is inside the walls she (and you should have, too) accepts that the world is the way it is and those who know the answer to its mysteries will never tell her and trying to explore them on her own is simple folly and not something worth pursuing.
>Is not necessarily equal to spoon feeding, exposition, or filler
Of course not but in this case it is. The question of what the walls meant and what was beyond them was answered well. Anything more would be pointless.
>Does not necessarily equal depth.
Nobody tried to imply that but these things often make for more interesting and enjoyable storytelling.
No. >>100906002 here.
No, but if I understand what that /a/non is saying then I most likely agree with him. What with the whole walls representing some taboo. I believe that guy mentioned "sex" as a taboo, but taking in what else I've read about the series, I'm going to say "dying before your time" or "suicide". However, that part is really up to individual interpretation
The Haibane are given clear boundaries because they've been stripped of the memories of their former lives, so they're all very childlike and naive. It's shown that these boundaries are set to protect them from harm. In general most of the series is showing the induction of a new Haibane and how they're basically paying a pennance for whatever they did in their former lives by living a very simple life, clothing themselves in what the villagers cast off and working in exchange for their housing.
The life of a Haibane isn't about existential worries or solving mysteries, it's about being in a very simple world where you work, you eat and you connect with other people. Moving on isn't predicated on whether a Haibane knows the mysteries of the universe but whether she has accepted her current life and fully let go of her old one. We see the start of that journey for Rakka, and the end of it for Reki.
Aren't children naturally curious of what lies outside boundaries?
>I don't want to post troll tier copypasta but dealing with you 2deep4u asshats has left a soul taste in my mouth. If you need me I'll be on /h/ posting pictures of Haibane Renmei porn.
Look at this dumb little shit claiming to run away because he's so superior. Where's the 2deep4u? We're actually talking about the show and instead you just run around dropping buzzwords and personal insults. Nobody's making anything seem incredibly deep or claiming any superiority except for you.
>I call that speculation or just thing you make up.
What did you think of the scene of EoE where Gendo shoots Ritsuko and is shown to say something, but isn't heard?
I bet you'd be the kind of person that bitches about how they should've just shown what he said.
>Answering a question posed.
>Is not necessarily equal to spoon feeding, exposition, or filler.
Yes, yes it is, provided these kind of questions are of absolutely no relevance to what a work is trying to convey. This is the kind of stupid mentality that brings forth powerlevel threads wherein people ask pointless questions about how Vegeta with an infinity+1 sword might or might not be able to beat Accelerator.
>Does not necessarily equal depth.
I only mentioned ambiguity. Seeing as you didn't comment on my well-supported claim that it's the ambigious works that stand the test of time, I suppose that you agree.
Well I agree touching the wall or physical proximity to the wall was discouraged/taboo but when I initially replied to >>100906002 where it all started, I just wanted to make it clear that going beyond (taking flight) is not taboo because it's not the same as touching it. Just being pedantic, all that anon had to do is clarify he meant touching not going beyond.
I'm pretty sure HR only appeals to people who have depressive personalities and enjoy watching other depressing yet boring shit like Texhnolyze
So I guess every child tries to run away from home, and every child leaves school and climbs over fences.
The characters have been shown to be curious about the wall. They just didn't act on their curiosity in a way that satisfied the OP, which is to say, explaining every nuance and solving every mystery presented.
But to learn to fly they must grow up. Part of growing up is learning to let sleeping dogs lie. With the lifestyle the Haibane are living and the customs they are bound to, there is no time to spend mulling over the mysteries of the universe let alone act on every single curiosity they may have.
I see. Ok, that was my fault then, I think I got lost somewhere along the way. However, I would like to say that while it may be taboo at a certain point in time, that doesn't mean it's taboo later. For example, sex after maturity, or possibly touching the wall/going near it after the day of flight. I feel like that was a point up for discussion as well
But both HR and Texhnolyze end on a positive note. Wouldn't rather prefer nihilistic deep-dark 'n edgy shows instead of some that have positive messages?
Wouldn't one rather*
>deep-dark 'n edgy
DEEP-dark n' edgy*
Not him but EoE is a pretty bad example as Anno usually just adds in ambiguity for the sake of ambiguity. And I say this as an Evangelion fan. Saying say...the Angels true natures are a mystery to us because we see the show through the eyes of the pilots most of the time and they would not be privy to that information would be a better example. I haven't watched Haibane all the way through but I can guess the obscurness of the walls represents a sort of "crossing over" as in we do not know what lies on the other side of death and are ourselves reluctant to touch upon that subject.
Soooo...they must never question anything and go along with things as they are.
I'm just gonna be blunt here that's a horrible message and I really hope you just misinterpreted that.
I've heard before that depressed people loved the shit out of Haibane but this is just your shit taste speaking. Those two are completely different but they can be enjoyable for anyone.
Haibane wasn't actually that depressing, just a bit dreary and melancholy. I don't know about Texhnolyze because it was so mind-numbing that I couldn't get past a few episodes.
Why does this show have to be some complex masterpiece to be considered good? It's better than anything that's aired this year.
But the point is, the characters did question it. They were curious about the wall and what was beyond, and they were curious about why and how they ended up where they were. Answering the latter questions is what allowed Reki to move on.
But who are you to decide for the characters that questioning a wall takes precedence over inner contemplation, questioning their own existence, and so on?
They lived with the wall without acting on their curiosity because other issues were more important to them. If you can't see that after hours of debate there's really no point in replying.
wow, what a good thread!
guess il start an ushijima dump
>What did you think of the scene of EoE where Gendo
Ano is a troll. That's it. EoE and 3.33 and all that jazz are meant to big middle fingers to the people who dare send him death threats. You fuck with Ano, Ano fucks with you.
And another thing!
The thing is that these girls wake up into a strange body, strange world, and have no memories. It's totally unrealistic for them to all be leading completely normal lives in the most abnormal of situations. They could atleast do something! Reki was kinda there and function as the groups sage as in "tried to find stuff out, didn't get anywhere with it, now I take care of little kids" but that's it.
Okay that sounds better.
>Soooo...they must never question anything and go along with things as they are.
More or less. The Haibane are suicide victims, they get stripped of their former lives and given a second chance where they get a chance to live a happy and fulfilling existence. They're told to stay the fuck away from the wall because going close to it can hurt them, Rakka ignores the warning, goes there and gets hurt. But at the same time shes able to let go of the last vestage of her former life and commit herself fully to the chance she has in the present.
Being a Haibane isn't about solving questions about the world, it's about solving questions about yourself. The world they live in was constructed just for them, a chance to find meaning in life, and it was constructed just for you, the viewer to find the meaning in as well.
It wasn't some action adventure plot show where they need to "work together to figure out what's behind the walls!"
I wouldn't compare the day of flight to death exactly. It's more like cleansing yourself, forgiving, letting go. The other characters experience it as loss though and you're right about the crossing over so I guess there's that side of it.
It doesn't have to be complex. People just like to argue about it.
>Not him but EoE is a pretty bad example as Anno usually just adds in ambiguity for the sake of ambiguity.
I actually also wanted to mention EVA because it is a good example of an anime that (knowlingly) ellicits the wrong kind of questions in people, criticizing the kind of fanatic discussion that is hung up on pointless questions such as what kind of strawberry shortcake a character would like.
The other guy has a point in that HR does ellicit questions about, say, the nature of the wall, but he doesn't see that this is not what the anime is about and that it is the wrong kind of question to be asked in the first place.
Why can't they solve the problems about the world and themselves?
But isn't asking questions about a phenomenon how science gets done?
>and that it is the wrong kind of question to be asked in the first place.
Addendum: And therefore the lack of answers to such questions shouldn't be criticized.
>calling people pathetic
>calling people kid
>while browsing 4chan
I remember seeing this exact thread, albeit worded differently, last week and it got better responses than this thread. How did it feel like a Ghibli film if it had no sense of adventure? The OP of the last one was surprisingly stupider, though.
Fuckers should learn to use the archive. It isn't hard.
and this is all for sfw stuff
Because the answer given about the world is solved when the character effectively exits. The narrative doesn't allow them to exposit because once the choice is made to cross there is no return.
Eva is another show that is best recieved by people with depressive personalities and experiences.
So is the moral don't get hung up on what's in the afterlife and enjoy the now? That sounds reasonable
The not paying them in real money thing is still bullshit though
There's honestly nothing like it in the medium, and not for any 3deep5u reasons. Better kill yourself.
Why don't you explain what happens after a person dies then? Because that's, more or less, what you're expecting of the characters. The wall is a symbolic barrier which represents a finality of crossing over. It's meant to be more than just some standard wall which is why there isn't answers given and why the story doesn't revolve around solving the mysteries around it.. The focus of the series isn't about the world or any of that, it's about coming to terms with yourself. To change that would to make it into a different series entirely.
>Why can't they solve the problems about the world and themselves?
Because the world around them was constructed by a higher power, it's like a videogame, the designer designs what the player is supposed to see. Whats behind the wall? Doesn't matter because the world was constructed for the Haibane as a place where they can work through their internal issues. To put it another way the world around them effectively doesn't exist, it's a construct, like in the matrix, a "world between worlds" where some dead stop over for a special re-education class on what life is all about before moving on to the proper afterlife with everyone who died of natural causes.
It's heavily implied that all the Haibane were clinically depressed people who committed suicide. Reki obviously wandered onto a train track, Rakka jumped off a building, Kana drowned herself, Nemu took a bottle of sleeping pills, etc. They get a second chance because they didn't 'get it' the first time around so they get a world where the odds are stacked heavilty in their favour. The village is populated by outstanding people who help guide them and they're given a simple but fulfilling existance where they can find happiness and let go of the sadness that cause their deaths in their previous lives.
And they can do all of it as long as they stay away from the wall. Worth it I'd say.
What he's saying is that you can use the wall to that end instead of it being a giant tease. Instead the show uses some Deus Ex Machina bullshit where the characters Day of Flight is just them getting beamed up by scotty. Why not have them actually fly over the wall itself (with their wings) and answer the question "what's beyond the wall" with "it's where the Haibane go". That answers one question but poses two others. "Why must they go beyond the wall" and also "what's there when they get there". A lot of you people seem to think answering a question is a matter of finality. Rather, answer one question you create even more.
Huh....guess I should really watch the show before going into a thread about it
>deus ex machina
my fucking sides, I should have known better than to open this thread
/a/.. I don't know what to say other than I'm really disappointed in you.
Just chill out, stop being angry, stop hating things that have done nothing to harm you.
haibane is shit, i prefer keions at war (sora no woto for you plebs) because it has epic tanks and backgrounds :^)
Honestly, I'm at a loss for words right now. We've been explaining why the wall is a non-issue for the Haibane over and over. How did you read my post that the only thing you took from it was that the show's message is becoming a dead fish?
The Haibane are busy dealing with their own internal strife, you know real fucking issues, which takes precedence over sating their curiosity. At the same time the purgatory is designed to let (or make them, if you prefer) them ponder these and find the solution. They have to lead a tough life that don't allow for too much free time, they aren't paid in money so they can't be distracted by vices. There's strict rules on how and where they can interact with the town's citizens. These rules aren't there to discriminate or persecute suicide victims, they are there to foster their sense of community with each other and so that they spend their time coming to terms with why they are Haibane, so that they may take flight.
Are you being thick on purpose?
Any feet/butt pictures of her?
I know my first thought if I woke up with angel wings, stripped of my former identety would be "What the fuck is up with that wall?"
He's been strawmaning the whole thread and it's become quite obvious. Let it go, everyone with half brain understood your point a long time ago.
she has a very cute butt!
Okay I realize that the overall message of the show is that you should not worry about the afterlife just live your life as it is now. I have not watched the entire series so I did misinterpret the other things, but then again I probably would have misinterpreted them anyway because in answer to your final question I am pretty thick.
Oh I'm not OP I'm just a different guy
Go watch the show yourself then and stop looking for one ultimate overall message or moral of the story.
I think you'll be able to enjoy it a lot more than the OP did if you watch it know, keeping these things in mind. You'll lose out on some of the sense of wonder but it has been relatively spoiler-free concerning the things that really matter.
It's on my backlog along with a number of other unfinished shows. Really I acknowledge all the weird stuff I think during the show is my own fault and not the fault of the show itself.
Honestly I'm at a loss for words right now. We've been explaining why the wall is an issue over and over. How do you read our posts and still not get this shit?
The haibane (besides reki) have no internal strife or any real fucking issues, so there isn't anything to take precedent over their curiosity. The purgatory is designed is such a way that they have nothing to worry about and all there needs are met, leaving them to ponder these and find the solution. They lead an easy life with plenty of free time (srsly, how much of the show involves them actually working and working hard? Memu still spends most of her time asleep), they aren't paid in money so they can't be distraced by vices that could cloud their judgement and child like curiosity. There's strict rules on how and where they can interact with the town's citizens which is perfect because that means they don't have a very many random people looking over their shoulders all the time. These rules are set in place arbituarily, nothing more.
All trolling aside, here's the thing. Which is more interesting? The life of a fish inside of a fish tank or one iside of the ocean. The life of a bird in a cage or in the sky? Self redemption and peice when everything is designed to work in your favor or facing somekind of adversity. True, HR is about INNER struggle as appose to OUTER struggle, but at the same time where is the inner struggle when everything in the world is there to move you on the fast track to heaven, reincarnation, nirvana, etc? Instead of spending a fuck tone of time just sitting under a bodhi tree starving themselves these girls really have nothing to worry about and their day of flight just works out through no effort of there own. Exception: Reki. She's the only interesting one and that is only for a coupla eps.
Wow, I'm still surprised how many people react to this pasta.
Does anyone else hear this GIF?
>Which is more interesting?
The answer you are looking for is "the one that is better written and directed.
Say there writing and direction is equal?
>Texhnolyze end on a positive note
>The haibane (besides reki) have no internal strife or any real fucking issues
What the fuck.
I think you're misunderstanding what a microcosm is and how it works in terms of media. It isn't a flaw to focus on a small sized universe, with self contained characters or setting, and making a big universe isn't inherently better.
Conflicts as they are written at the most basic level can be divided into man versus man, man versus society, man versus nature or man versus self. None of these are better or worse than each other as they exist. What matters is how the writing carries out the intent. Don't criticize a show for not having the type of conflict you favor, you should evaluate the merits it does or does not have in relevance to the type of story it is.
Honestly the biggest complaint of the thread is that the story and central conflict weren't exactly what the OP and others wanted, when there are far more relevant reasons to criticize Haibane Renmei.
I'm a couple hours late to the party here, but this kid is a total faggot. The worst pseudo-intellectual sophistry I've heard all day.
Enjoy the show or don't, who cares, but don't bash other kids for calmly trying to argue their opinions against what you claim as fact, you fucking fagnerd.