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Why do people say KC's ability is hard to understand? Isn't it basically The World but the guy doesn't see time frozen when it jumps?
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>>100899485
I don't think anyone but Dio and Jotaro can tell they're in frozen time when time is frozen. Therefore, it's basically the exact same as the world.
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>>100899485
>>100899627
It's completely different from The World. You guys clearly didn't understand it.
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>>100899693
The effect is exactly the same. There is a period of time where only Dio/Diavolo can act and when it's over everyone else can move again, if they haven't had their shit pushed in.
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>>100900628

No, you're wrong.

With King Crimson, they continue living as they would've been during the "manipulated time"- so, say, after 5 seconds, King Crimson ends the effects, people come back to reality and can now take damage in what is essentially 5 seconds into the future.

If you got affected by King Crimson, you'd find yourself in a completely different location, and it'd be incredibly disorienting. Whereas with the world, Dio can do a lot of instant damage to you, or move you- but the world itself didn't move with you, it wouldn't feel like any time had passed aside from the damage that Dio did.
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>>100900814
So their minds are basically separated from their bodies for the duration of the effect?
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>>100900885
Erased.
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>>100900628
Except time doesn't stop, everything keeps moving in it's course. And everything that happens in the time erased is nullyfied, but it leaves a cause.
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>>100900885
Ehh.

They continue as they would've if KC didn't do anything, so it's more like they had their memories of the last 5 seconds erased.
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The World is "pause" and "resume"
King Crimson is "skip chapter"
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Here's an even better question...
What the fuck am I reading?
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>>100902337
DUWANG
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>>100902337
The best japanese to chinese translation ever translated to english!
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>>100902337
Dawung
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>>100902337

I'm more worried about how retarded that guy's hairl looks
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The World's time stop is basically inhuman speed from an outsider's perspective. The important thing to note is that if Dio hurts something during time stop the effects will remain after time stop.

King Crimson's time erasure is slightly different from an outsider's perspective. It may seem like Diavolo moves at inhuman speed, but it applies to everyone else that would've moved on the skipped timeframe. Damage done during timeskip doesn't remain after it ends, because technically it doesn't happen. The major advantage Diovolo has there is that he is the only one who controls and is fully aware of the skipped time, so he isn't confused by people switching positions.

If you were playing chess against Dio you would be playing against someone cheats by moving his pieces without anyone noticing. Against Diavolo it would be playing against a guy who foresees your next move, skips the timeframe where you move your piece and moves his piece in the most optimal way without you having any idea why your piece just ended up there.
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>>100899485
KC is like watching a laggy stream. Or the futurama globetrotters episode.
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King Crimson basically just confuses people then Casshern punches them.
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How did Diavolo show Bruno his future?
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>>100902337
Why, you're reading The Fabulous Adventure in Du Wang City of course!
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>Thinking King Crimson works the same as The world
That's where you are wrong bro.
King Crimson CAN ONLY ACTIVATE SOMETHING IF DIAVOLO HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
That is why that guy was throw over the fence because he is the weakest in the gangs, not Giorno, because Diavolo can 1vs1 with him. Then after he throw him, he erase the duration and everyone forgot about it.
Get it? Never mind then.
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So why did Bruno turn into a zombie? Did the killing blow happen in the time that got erased? I don't think there's any plausible explanation to this, it can't make sense.
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>Can predict the future
>can also "erase" or fuck with time
Diavolo really shouldn't have lost.
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>>100905361
That's why the ending is always a "pulling out from his ass".
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>>100905314
God willed it.
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>>100905361
>>100905406
Well I think GER was actually more broken
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>>100905314
>So why did Bruno turn into a zombie
THIS
I still don't understand that, it's a shame part 5 was such a stylish clusterfuck
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What I understood was that he skips forward in time for up to 10 seconds, where he can see everything that's going to happen in that time at once. Everyone keeps doing what they're doing as if nothing happened. KC can't hurt people in this time change like Dio, because that would do something bad for some reason. Nobody knows the time was skipped except him.
So if you were walking down a path, he could theoretically light a fire where you would be in ten seconds and when time resumes you'd be burning. At least that's how I heard it.
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>>100905444
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>>100899485
Because King Crimson's power is nothing like The World's? Diavolo JUMPS forward in time while everything is temporarily erased as a side-effect thus the whole cause and effect nullifying with causality.

You do understand there's a huge difference in stopping or freezing time vs erasing it right?
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King Crimson is The World minus 'LOL CANT ACTUALLY HARM ME WHEN TIME IS FROZEN LOL'
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>>100905444
Araki get making up powers on the fly for Gold Experience.

>he can accelerate people's minds and make them disoriented by their own thoughts
>uses it all of one fight
>turns Burno into a zombie
>because shit its something with karma?
Fuck Part 5
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>>100905314
Wasn't it because they fucked with Rolling Stone's ability?
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>>100905705
Basically this. He can only erase time for fun, the advantage is he can see 10s into the future and act according to that. He can't do shit when time is frozen for other people, he can only do what he can see in the prediction, which is based on his strength and the opponent's strength.
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>>100905748
Bruno's condition had nothing to do with GE's powers, retard.
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Why the fuck is Bruno so gay?
>Licking a sweating man
I mean Giorno is considered handsome and all, but this is...
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>>100899485
Za Warudo pauses time, King Crimson deletes a certain timeframe and also it's actions/consequences.
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>>100905938
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>>100905918
And Abbachio's was what then?
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>>100904679
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>>100905938
Bruno can't be gay, he looks like a woman
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>>100906122
I did thought he was a woman before I reach part 5.
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>>100899485
King Crimson: Next scene
The World/Star Platinum: Pause
Crazy Diamond: Ctrl + z(i forgot what thats called)
Gold Experience: Repair
Made in Heaven: Fast Forward
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>>100906012

It doesn't delete actions. The effects of actions made during skipped time still exist.

If I activate King Crimson, and in the ten seconds you were going to suck a dick, once King Crimson's skipped time, there you are with a dick in your mouth but you don't remember putting it in there.
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>>100906232
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>>100906258
Hold on I'm gonna make a drawing with my leet paint skills and shitty english.
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>>100906323
Should also have added Valentine as the select chapter button
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>>100905441
GER vs King Crimson was really fucking cool even though it was just a clash of bullshit.

>Stand that erases everything except for the results...
>against a stand that erases results so things would never end
>Causes the villain to be stuck forever in neverending results.

He got muda'd.
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I have a pic for just this occasion
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That's right nigga, cat's foot iron claw
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>>100905748
You forgot the ability of his given life reflecting attacks. But by the end, everyone's body would be reflecting attacks, so Araki chose to just sweep it under the rug.
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>>100906232
King Crimson: Chapter Select
The World/Star Platinum: Pause
Crazy Diamond: Home (returns things to original state technically is a time power)
Killer Queen Bites the Dust: Looping
Stairway to Heaven/Made in Heaven: Fast-forwarding
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>>100906427

Don't know if that would be an accurate way to describe D4C. It probably can't be done with time explanations as D4C is based on space and dimensions
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Jojos and Villains aside, which support character is your favorite? Mine would be Rohan Kishibe.
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>>100906620
Eject disc button
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>JoJo All-Star Battles
>Killer Queen Bites the Dust can return Ultimate Cars back to his normal form, revert Gold Experience Requiem back to Gold Experience and force Stairway to Heaven back into Whitesnakes
Why is Kira so based?
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>>100906650

That one works
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>>100899485
It just works.
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>>100906637
Koichi "The Midgetizing Midget" Hirose
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>>100906163
I thought he was a girl until I've finished part 5.
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>>100906637
Foo Fighters, everybody in part 6 was likable
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>>100899485

Only person able of recollecting the orange timeline is KC and its owner, the other one is bound to the red timeline.
You behaved as you wanted to behave, and you will try to execute your action during orange, but your actions during orange are non existent in the timeline you're in , therefor your consequences are equally non existent.
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So does everyone agree with ASB making Diavolo's "time erase" a game of rock-paper-scissors?

That's basically what you'd have to do to survive against him, right?
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>>100906650
>that one not being Whitesnake

OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING DOING
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>>100906962
b-but...

then who was president?
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What would happen if D4C was hit by the Stand Arrow and got a requiem? How bullshit OP would it be?
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>>100899485
>people don't remember what happened after an action has effect
So like a hangover/amnesiac ability.
>KC's true power is to make people guess what his power does
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>>100907069
Valentine could select exactly what kind of a universe he's going into and what the people there are like. If he'd be all like "hmm, I want a universe where Lucy has two dicks" he finds it immediately
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>>100907077
This reminds me, has anyone in Jojo lied about their stainds? I don't really remember.
Also Dio was an idiot to reveal his stand to Jojo's gang, he can just fucking kill all of them right in the ruin.
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>>100907069

But Requiems have jack to do with the orginal stands. Asking what would happen is a pointless question, no one has any idea.
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>>100906650
more like catalog.
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>>100907069
He literally could get any sort of idea. There was no relation between SCR and GER's abilities with their non-requiem forms.
One thing is for sure though, it'd get existential level abilities like the others did.
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>>100907069
Fuck that
How would Crazy Diamon Requem would be
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>>100907165

Dio is an idiot, you should know that from part 1. He fucks around way too much because he thinks he's invincible, and it always gets him killed
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>>100907228
>>100907254
GER's did with GE. Karma and reality manipulation was in align with how normal GE's powers worked.
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>>100900628
>There is a period of time where only Dio/Diavolo can act
Thats sorta the point, KC does not disable a persons ability to act, only their ability to adapt their acts to what is going on.
For fucks sake, our dear Son of Dio pointed it out quite fairly
>Why is the clock still moving?
>Why is icebits melting more suddenly?
>Why does blood still drip?
>How can a person take what another person have, but not knowing he took it?
There is a reason Polnafrs entire counter method is basically
>1. Spot it has happened
>2. Do a crazy 360 degree attack in hopes that Diavolo is stupid enough to stay in range

>>100905513
More or less. It only gets complicated if you have several people planning to do different things to each other, and none of them moves in a straight line.

>>100906258
This.

>>100906465
But he is wrong.

>>100906840
Just don't assume you can know when he will dodge, or when he activated his ability. Do something really stupid, like supressing fire with a machinegun.
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>>100907165
But Polnareff discovered it
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>>100907228
But they do. Polnafr never found out how to use his stands latent ability.
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>>100906791

He was a girl
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>>100907359
Yeah because Dio use his ability to carried him downstairs twice.
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>>100907389
Explain what SCR's ability has to do with SC
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Why is Polnareff so useless ?
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>>100907328
>>100907389

What the hell did GER's nullifying ability have to do with GE giving life to inanimate objects?
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>>100907165
He didn't really reveal his stand to them (other than toying with Polnareff, but he was too stupid to tell what was going on). And he would have killed them in his house if they hadn't immediately escaped while the sun was still up.
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>>100907069
Well, there are no Arrows in the new universe so he can't really evolve into a requiem. Made in Heaven Requiem on the other hand should be technically possible though...
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>>100907335
>For fucks sake, our dear Son of Dio pointed it out quite fairly

That reminds me, why is Giornio the only one of Dio's bastards who isn't retarded or a cripple?
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>>100907482
Karma, reflecting and turning back attacks against itself, manipulating thought and mental conditions of its opponents. It just like another anon said, went up to an existentialist/abstract sort of power once it got hit by the Stand Arrow.

>>100907539
The question wasn't about the POSSIBILITY of a Stand Arrow affecting D4C but rather what would happen if it was pierced by one.
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>>100907427
Best girl
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>>100907577
Because he was born to be gud
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Time powers a shit
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>>100907642
>Revealing my nationality by being to lazy to rename it
I am not worthy...
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>>100907539
MiH is sort of like an Arrow evolution. You really can't give MiH any more reality warping powers, it acts exactly like a Requiem stand.
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>>100907577
Because of jonathan's semen
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>>100907482
Ascension.

>>100907451
A stand has a form and a ability.
Polnafr never found out his stands ability.
Jotaro did not find out about the timestop until Dio.
Polnafr never found out what his stand did. And Arrowed, his stand has some evolved out of control version of its former ability.

>>100907577
He was heading that way, quite hard, before the random mafia taught him about honour.
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>>100907877
>Polnafr
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>>100905281
Does anyone know where I could find anything more readable than this, or is this the best scanlation we've got?
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>>100907261
Firstly, it could affect itself and its user. Secondly, it could effect things on a conceptual level.

Somebody who feels their life is empty could discover their purpose in life by having Crazy Diamond Requiem make them "complete".

It could also fix a broken heart.
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>>100908011
A new scanlation is in the works I think, because when I read part 4 at least half of it was new scans
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>>100908011

Invincible Trio have rescanned and translated almost all of part 4 now
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>>100908188
That's awesome. Their scans are really good.
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>>100906465
All this proves is that Araki doesn't fucking know what the hell KC's power is supposed to be: if people moved during the erased time, then how the fuck did they change positions? Or rather how the fuck did ANYTHING happen? If this power really erases all time and cause, shouldn't it in fact be a power that does absolutely nothing? At best, this power could be used as a rewind, but a USELESS rewind as you would not remember why you rewound or how to avoid the problem that made you do it as the erased time and causality would also include your thoughts.

TL;DR: if the info-gram to be believed, it's a shitty power capable of only locking the user in a ignorant time-loop of failure.
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>>100908776
I think you're misunderstanding it.
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>>100906122

「Dude looks like a lady」
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>>100902337
If you search around you'll find that invincible trio has a much better translation that's up to around the 3rd to last volume of part IV
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>>100908776
What most people don't seem to understand is that King Crimson, like a lot of later stands, has multiple applications.
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>>100908878
What is there to misunderstand? It's utterly simple. The reason that people can't understand is because the author fucked up and didn't adhere to the rules set by himself for this particular stand: it erases certain actions and causes but leaves others — it's a stand with fucking holes in it.
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>>100909355
Its a lot simpler then that. I think most people are still thinking on GER vs King Crimson and how KC's powers were countered.
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>>100908776
Because the infographic is wrong, and forgets the stand has 3 abilties:
>Precog(see time)
>The confusing part(skip ahead time)
>Intangability
People get confused because he only used the third ability once.
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>>100909498
They weren't countered, they were just turned to zero like everything else.
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>>100909498
Fuck you Moot

>>100909683
Which means it was countered. GER retroactively nullified all of the actions and events despite not-existing while the "present" universe was erased.

The turn to zero statement is literally because he can nullify anything, it was still technically countered even though GER made the incident never happen.
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>>100907496
Wasn't it Kakyoin who destroyed and thus stopped the clock on the clocktower to reveal what Dio's ability is?
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>>100906465
The 'location data' being taken from t2 has a hole in it in that location is an effect caused by people moving. There shouldn't be a substantial difference between someone taking a step forward and someone getting punched. Both are effects with causes that exist only within the timespan.

Even if we accept that location data is recorded, why doesn't, say, 'someone's arm is torn off and thrown to the other side of the room' count as location data? Or even 'the flesh of the stomach is now located in such a way for there to be a knife wound'?
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>>100905087
>Or the futurama globetrotters episode.

This is the best analogy that I can think of.
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>>100910338

It was. As always, tripfag is retarded
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>>100910577
He's technically not wrong though. When Pol was trying to climb the stairs, Dio kept spamming his time stop and moving him backwards down the steps.
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>>100910716

After all the shit Polnareff has seen by that point, would 'time stop' be your first assumption either? It wouldn't be for me. No one had time powers up until then. Pol being put back down the stairs could have been done by several different powers, not just Dio stopping time and then putting him back down to where he was.
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I never understood people who said it was like the world. It has nothing in common.

But to be honnest I don't see how it's different from erasing memory of everybody ?
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>>100906323
>mfw realizing that Diavolo was still dying infinitely during Part 6
Sucks to be him, don't know who had it worse, him or Kars.
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>>100910965
Diavolo does, Cars got affected by the snapback effect with Pucchi's death making the new universe like everyone else.

Diavolo is stuck in a separate reality looping infinitely over and over again.
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>>100911016
We don't really know that though.
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>>100910965

Diavolo, easy. Kars and Magneta Magneta eventually stop thinking. Diavolo doesn't. Kars has endless tedium and isolation in front of him. Diavolo has unpredictable horror and pain. He never knows where his next killer is going to come from, he just knows it's going to happen and he can't stop it
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>>100911097
Its pretty likely.
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>>100910812
Kakyoin figured it out, but Dio wasn't showing off his Stand at that point. He was using it to its maximum potential. He only played around with Polnareff, and when he sliced up his vampire servant in front of Jotaro.
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The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournament's begun.
The purple piper plays his tune,
The choir softly sing;
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue,
For the court of the crimson king.

The keeper of the city keys
Put shutters on the dreams.
I wait outside the pilgrim's door
With insufficient schemes.
The black queen chants
The funeral march,
The cracked brass bells will ring;
To summon back the fire witch
To the court of the crimson king.

The gardener plants an evergreen
Whilst trampling on a flower.
I chase the wind of a prism ship
To taste the sweet and sour.
The pattern juggler lifts his hand;
The orchestra begin.
As slowly turns the grinding wheel
In the court of the crimson king.

On soft gray mornings widows cry
The wise men share a joke;
I run to grasp divining signs
To satisfy the hoax.
The yellow jester does not play
But gentle pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.
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>>100910965
>>100911317
Music avails!
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>>100910965
>>100911016
>>100911110
>Implying Pucci's time accelerate didnt break Diavolo's death circle

>Everything is faster
>Diavolo is going to get hit by a car while passing a street at 6 pm
>Diavolo is 10 mins away from there
>Time goes faster, its already 6 pm, car was early, Diavolo is alive
Pucci broke Diavolo's eternal death
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>>100911144
>using broken translation as basis.
I want to believe that we'll see a new schizoid diavolo soon
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>>100911624

I doubt time acceleration did shit for DIavolo. If anything broke him out it would be the universe reset.
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>>100911809
That might have happened before the reset though.
"What the hell is going on, not even KC can get it" and a 3000000000000km car ran him over soon after,
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>>100911634
Not like I give a shit to re-read Part 5, new translations or not.
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>>100912077
>not liking part 5
But there's Narancia in there anon.
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>>100912077

Good thing the new translation won't be finished for another decade or so at this pace. If anyone gave a shit it would be worked on more seriously
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>>100912158
>worst protagonist
>blandest antagonist
>DEM everywhere
nah

I'm gonna re-read Part 7 and catch up on Part 8, not even Mista or Bruno can pull me back
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>>100912158
Someone in /pol/ got a Narancia.
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>>100906679
>Kira confirmed best antag

Speaking of which, could Kira plant ABTD on himself or even on his opponent, then trick them into activating it?
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>>100913235
I think it only works on people without a stand.
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>>100913353
Where is that stated?
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>>100913573
The manga itself.
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>>100913353

It does. That's why he targetted some bystander the the end, rather than triggering it on Josuke, Koichi, whoever.
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>>100913573
>incoming conjecture and most likely me remembering shit wrong

Wasn't the main reason Kira died at the end because Bites the Dust couldn't be used on stand users or himself? It's been years since I read Part 4 and I don;t have the scans on me, but I swear this had something to do with it.
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>>100913833
It could be that it's range is limited, maybe he has to actually touch someone to plant it
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>>100912002
I dont think that would happen.
Its also lowly possible that he was in time erase when the universe reset happened
>What the fuck is going on, whats with the world
>KC help me,
>erase time,
>reset happens
>Diavolo is in new world
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>>100907056
>mfw no one remembers cd changers
I feel old.
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So, what. Does Vento Aureo have bad translations or something? I don't see what's so hard.

He has two abilities.
1. Clairvoyance (several dozen seconds)
2. To "erase" time.

"Only he can move freely in "erased" time, and is capable of seeing the enemy in slow motion"
"For the duration that the power is activated, the opponent is incapable of experiencing that time so they will feel nothing, however a cautious person will notice that time is being skipped."
"During the time skip, he is invincible, incapable of being attacked, but he is also incapable of attacking. If time is "erased" the moment before a bullet hits him, he can "erase" the concept that "he was shot" and will only leave behind the "result" which is that the bullet is behind him.
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>>100914080
Then Diavolo would actually had fullfilled his dream: A world where no one remembers him (Except Giorno but he assumes he's dead)
Happy ending for everyone
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>>100914311
>>100914080
Araki needs to do a fucking spinoff for Diavolo
Too much potential
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>>100908188
Thank you a ton for this! Those guys are awesome.
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>>100914214
I remember those massive boxes with 10+ CDs. Shit was amazing.
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>>100914002

No he doesn't, he needs to activate Bite the Dust, have someone that isn't a stand user find out his identity and BOOM! back to the beginning of the day
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Is the Kira side story canon?
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>>100914404

You're welcome. Invincible Trio are the best scan group out there for JoJo, no contest.

>>100914543

It's written by Araki, so very likely
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Can Gappy get Sheer Heart Attack/Bites The Dust too?
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>>100914698
According to Jojolion, you get an ability if you are attracted to the cliffs, but that can't possibly be the only reason so: Most likely from chapter 50 and on we see those asspulls
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Your favourite Araki ass pull?

People always talk about JoJo having a lot of ass pulls but rarely point them out. Yet they exist.
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>>100914570
I don't know man. JoJo project ain't bad and Dynamic Pro is really good.
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>>100914905
Echo Act 3
DIO's coffin
Star Platinum stopping time
Giorno
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>>100914905
Kira death.
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>>100914991
>Star Platinum stopping time
>asspull
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>>100914905
All part 6. Specially Pucci's death
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>>100914887
>that can't possibly be the only reason
But why not? We don't even know why people get bite marks around the Wall Eyes yet.

Really looking forward to the next chapter, by the way. Josuke's gonna blow a fuse when he finds out what the architect has been doing.
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>>100914905
I'm torn between the massive string of asspulls that lead to Cars' death and the entirety of the last few chapters of Part 7.
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What happened to he Part 5 retranslation? Shizuka Joestar hasn't posted anything since December 2012.
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>>100915131
Every part since 3 had a couple possible ways to get stands, it's only Araki's master plan acting accordingly
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>>100914905
Joseph's hand flying into the air.

It was such a Joseph thing to happen, and he took advantage of it really fucking well in a way that only he could do. Also in the anime, sono chi no sadame playing was just perfect.
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>>100905444
>>100905314
because he had shit to do, dying is not going to stop him. His will is that strong.
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>>100915224
She's dead, yo.

Or at least in extremely poor health since I last heard. This was almost a year ago.
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>>100915309
I thought this was it as well. Like he was meant to die and he just went "lol not right now."

I'm missing large chunks from Part 5 since I read it so who knows though.
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>>100915296
Gotta hand it to this one, as well. The whole second arc was all about careful predictions and well-thought exchanges of fighting techniques, so ending it with a sheer stroke of luck was a perfect ending. Though really, there was no other way to beat Ultimate Cars.
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>>100907451
One sTabs people, the other sWaps people.
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>read part 4
>Old Joseph tries his hardest to be liked by Josuke
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>>100915855
>hand it too this one
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>>100916500
Holy shit I just now noticed his tie is whited out.
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>>100916430
Old Joseph is dead by part 4 you double nigger
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>>100915322

>Shizuka ill for months
>Orginal part 3 anon got sick and said fuck it
>New part 3 anon got buttmad that someone else was doing new scans/translations for early part 6 and quit everything
>Invincible Trio the only ones still ticking away at the older parts
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>>100916600
>Old Joseph is dead by Part 4
except he lived well into 2012 then died.
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>>100916600
Old Joseph isn't even dead in part 6, faggot.
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>>100916430

>I wanted to look good in front of you

I want Araki to write a side story that is just Joseph and Josuke bonding and Joseph finally being called dad
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>>100899485
If I remember right, KC's ability was more like rewinding time than stopping time.

Think of Dio as basically Pausing a scene and doing whatever the fuck he wants while everyone is paused.

KC is like playing a movie, seeing what happens, then rewinding it to change the outcome.
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>>100899485
>Isn't it basically The World but the guy doesn't see time frozen when it jumps?

No

The world still moves, but time is basically compressed or erased depending on how you look at it. Everything acts as it would in that moment of erased time normally, when the erased time ends no one can remember what happened over that period of time but suddenly everything around them is different because the world just skipped ahead ten seconds as though it was normal but no one can retain memory of that moment like they just stroked out a bit, and the only one who can move or react normally in erased time is Diavolo himself.

There's also some other shit to how it works, like he can delete the inbetween of two elements in a sense.
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>>100916588
Huh. That's China for you.
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>>100916956

That's a good explanation, but it was never quite clear if KC allowed Diavolo to actually change the events that happened, or if he could just reposition himself.

Personally I've always thought he can set himself up like Dio could to avoid an attack, and counterattack you in skipped time.
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>>100917281
Don't forget that he also has Epitaph, that allows him to predict future to some extent (and change it if necessary).
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>>100917342

Can Epitaph change the future? I always thought it just let him see 10 seconds into the future, and then using King Crimson he can avoid any attack he saw in Epitaph. So it's KC that's doing the changing, I guess.
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>>100909746
I know I'm late but whatever.

GER didn't nullify anything. The blood drops hitting Giorno and Mista's bullets, which at some point started going backwards, were just Diavolo seeing things. Literally.

Remember when Giorno first meets Bucciarati, and he uses Gold Experience to speed up his senses? Bucciarati "tries" to move and his accelerated brain makes him think he already moved.

That's what happened to Diavolo.
GER can turn inanimate objects into living beings *over distances* (before, he could do it only by touch), and the same upgrade obviously works with his perception-manipulation.

The key element here is that Diavolo is using Epitaph to see the future: GER speeds up his senses, and Diavolo thinks Epitaph's prediction is actually happening - while it isn't.

There's no time-rewinding whatsoever, it's just Diavolo imagining things, just like Bucciarati in his first episode.

GER's only *new* power (every Requiem has a single new power) is the infinite death loop. Which totally makes sense because if King Crimson is able to erase a segment of time, GER being born to *oppose* it becomes able to make a segment of time last for eternity (a time loop indeed).
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>>100916637
best team for the best part
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>>100917914
It's directly stated it has the new power to render all things zero

Willpower, results, death, actions

To think "He's got no new powers, everything he can do can be explained with his old powers" is a bit wrong. It says it right here in his Stand bio.
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>>100919080
But I did say it, he does have new powers. It's just that it doesn't have a time-rewind one. The infinite loop is the new power, and that's it.

Aside from the probable translation issue, the resume you posted is supposed to simplify and examplify things. Of course it will tone it down in the simpliest way possible.

Is the "turn will to zero" bullshit ever seen in the actual fight? And what does "turn death to zero" even mean?

It's just there to give a simple (not thorough) explanation to readers who don't care to analyze the fight. What really counts is what happens in the manga itself, on each and every panel: dismissing the fact that that scene (blood drips, bullets etc) is an Epitaph vision is just unacceptable.
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>>100920274
Turn death to zero means you keep experiencing dying, but can't actually die.

It's like typical gaia faggots, they keep watching entry level shit forever, and when you think they've seen all of entry shit and they will pick up something better - time for a Death Note rewatch.
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>>100905437
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>some guy is called King Crimson
>like one of my favorite band
>he has the ability to fast forward time without letting people's brain following the time skip, leading to confusion
>he can foresee what happens before or during the timeskip, and adapt to it

I'm not sure if I fully understood his power, but what is clear is that regardless of how right I am about it, it's an awesome power, king crimson is an awesome name, that fucking picture looks awesome and I have no idea why I didn't pick up jojo's before. Guess I got a lot to read eh?
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>>100922247
Yup. It's an awesome ride though.
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>>100922247
>>100917342
>>100917545
>he also has an additional power that let's him predict the future
>my favorite King Crimson song

is that prog rock the manga? are their characters called emerson lake and palmer, camel or Yes? how fucking awesome can this shit be
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>>100922498
Well, it starts out with people wanting to kill a vampire with the power of sunbreath. Then we get nazicyborgs fighting with gods. And then it gets all bizarre.
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>>100922498
It's dadrock the manga.
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>>100922247
There's a lot to read, I thought that when I started. But the way Araki breaks it up into Parts makes it really easy to read and a lot better of a format then most Shonens have. By the end, you'll wish there was more.
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>>100922247
its not even that much since its divided in parts which makes it easy to read
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>>100922623
It's basically just monster of the week except on a larger scale than a week.
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>>100922616
>dadrock
/mu/ fuck off, no one cares if you think progressive ultramax 1000 jazzcore ultrahead is better than swirl rockpunkpopcockerson core
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>>100922498
Reading King Crimson's chapters with this as background will make you feel complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZbkfUuSbTY
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Some concepts are hard to convey on the page. the science of time shenanigans is probably not what an author want to spend all of his time wrapping his head around. I sure don't enjoy reading about it, it really breaks up the action and anything entertaining that might have been taking place. Also, i suspect Araki was too into Italian fashion during part 5 to give enough fuck to explain KC properly.

It's a stand power, doesn't have to make sense. What really should be bothering people is that Gold experience got pierced by the arrow in one of the first chapters, and all it did was fuck up Giornos hand. Only explanation on that plot hole is that giorno "didn't have the motivation" that he had during the final battle, which is bull, he wanted to be a gangStar throughout the entire story.
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>>100923318
/mu/ is fucking terrible dood.
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>>100923318
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>>100907465

Why was Polnareff the SC ally who got the most screentime, lived to the end with Jotaro and Joseph, and was the only ally in the whole series to have a large role in another part?
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You know, I just noticed that Dio and Pucci are the only villains who don't receive a SUFFER FOREVER end. Dio I understand since he's Araki's husbando, but I'm a bit surprised by Pucci, especially given the shit he pulled.
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>>100924203
Pucci is Dio's husbando.
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>>100923693
I seriously don't get why dadrock is supposedly bad. Sure, some bands are awful.
Besides, my father never listened to rock
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>>100924203
>Dio I understand since he's Araki's husbando
If anything, that'd be Kira.
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>>100924349
No that's araki himself.
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Just thought of the perfect analogy of KC's ability.

Essentially its save scumming. For those of you not familiar with the term, its playing a game with a save file and playing ahead a bit to see what comes next. Then reloading an earlier save to manipulate the game to get a better outcome.

For example, fighting an enemy, and reloading so they never hit you, or to know that theres a trap or something ahead.
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>>100924463
Nope, that's Mandom
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Hypothetical question:

If I took my roommate´s sandwich from the fridge, use a KISS sticker to copy it and eat it....could my guts explode if sometime in the future the sticker gets removed/eaten? What if I shit afterwards?

What if I instead eat the original sandwich BUT leave the bite with the sticker alone? Wouldn´t the sandwich someday eventually decay, activating the sticker and exploding its copy?

I´m so hungry guys ;_;
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>>100924463
You are overthinking and overthought stand anon.
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It's not hard to understand, but you clearly didn't understand it.

Reread the Metallica fight.
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>>100924203
Kira is and will always be Araki's favorite
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>>100924543
The sticker stand was basically an asspull stand.
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>>100924463
No. This is how it works >>100905437
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>>100924543
Quite possibly. The sandwich will shoot out of your stomach to rejoin the original.

If it's shit, who knows? It's not a sandwich anymore. Maybe not.

When it rots, the sticker will fall off and the copy sandwich will return to the original creating a new sandwich.



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