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If Kumagawa is such a Loser, then why did I want him to win?
part 3 adaptation when?
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>david productions will never adapt Medaka Box

fuck you Gainax
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Kumagawa is so bland and generic, I know that gets thrown around a lot, but he is truly a Gary Stu of the highest degree
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would you a shiranui
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>>100896513
> Kumagawa
> Bland
> Generic
> Gary Stu

Heh, you're funny.
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>>100896513
>"Gary Stu"
>can never win
>impossible to relate to
>live and dies alone

I don't think you know what that word means.
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Kumagawa is really likeable as a character. His problem is that he just isn't believable as a "loser". He's always shown surrounded by friends and/or people who are drawn to him, and he's actually quite powerful and dangerous, just not enough to beat super-duper-ultra-broken Medaka.

Basically, Kumagawa being a loser is an informed attribute. In practice, he wins all the time. Maybe it's better interpreted as assuming that he's really suffering from crippling depression and doing his best to hide it.
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>>100896359
>tfw no Medaka Box/JJBA cross over
>tfw no all fiction vs Gold Experience Requiem
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>>100897160
>2 defensive abilities

boring
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>>100896684
He won once.
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>>100896707
>he's really suffering from crippling depression
Well, he is voiced by Shinji's VA.
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which Medaka would you Box?
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Kumagawa could just use all fiction to erase all history of mankind ever existing.
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>>100898843
no he wouldn't because then he'd be "dead" and have to visit Ajimu
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>>100898612
Pretty much all of them
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>>100898612
Anybody in Zen's harem.
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>>100898978
He could rip off her face again, I guess.
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>>100898612
Zenkichi's Student Council.

Especially Zenkichi.
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>>100898978
Ajimu is dead now, so he wouldn't have to visit her anymore.
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>>100899134
Understandable.
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>>100899174
Everybody loves Zenkichi.
Even the enemies love him.
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>>100898003
When
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>>100899174
>That manly as fuck Zenkichi when he punched The Fresh Prince
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>>100899195

Restarting the manga for Snow White Wedding arc when?
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>>100899174
>>100899276
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>>100899301
The second worst arc? why
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>>100899370
>dead guy in the last panel
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>>100899301
>Snow White Wedding arc
>Medaka Box epilogue was a lie
>Zenkichi is now the damsel
>Medaka, Shiranui, Emukae and all the other girls included in his so-called "harem" fight for his love
>Kumagawa joins in for fun, so does Akune and Bami
>The winner is Ruki
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I wish I could read the Minus Arc and Ajimu Arc for the first time again. That was some fun shit.
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>>100899379
>The second worst arc?

You just called an arc which doesn't exist the second worst arc.
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>>100899456
Exactly, if it existed it would be the worst arc.
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>>100896707
Well as a minus, he has the attribute of always thinking he's lost, so even if he's surrounded by friends and looks happy, it's implied that he feels horrible and has that paranoid feeling that all his 'friends' hate him and the like.

Medaka's plus is stronger than his minus which is why Kumagawa finally 'wins' at the end.
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>>100899404
That arc was great, I was rooting for Kumagawa the entire timewhen it was revealed why he was like that.
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>>100899403
All's well that ends well.
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>>100899301
;_;
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post more oyasumi chairman
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>>100899482
Shit, that's what I initially thought about the Ajimu arc, but it went well.
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>why do people like underdogs

because
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>>100899370
The Medaka box threads really were glorious throughout
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>>100899403
True ending right there.
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>>100899403
But Ruki is Ajimu
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>>100899501
2cute4me
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>tfw Good Loser Kumagawa isn't animated
>tfw Zenkichi doesn't have his own spin-off series
>tfw no more Kumagawa, Zenkichi and all the other great characters in this show
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>>100898612
I would slam my dick in Naze's box so hard even Kumagawa would commend me for my screwing
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>>100899675
He should've at least gone with Emukae.
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>>100899047
Wait, he had one?
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>>100899675
that entire episode was so GOAT, why the fuck did they have to adapt the worst 2 arcs that bring nothing to the story
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>>100899699
Am I the only one who outright hates all characters but Kumagawa ? I mean, just look at that loser.
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>>100899765
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>>100899823
No, people like you were always shitting up our threads.
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>>100899823
Nah. But I love Kuma, best character in the series, but the circlejerking for him was unbearable at times.
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>>100899675

The Kumagawafag in me will never stop loving that episode.
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>>100899823
Yes. The manga had really fun characters, most people liked at least 2.
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>>100899893
>>100899929
Okay then, I shall stop posting then.
I didnt know the kumagawafags had became a problem.
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Good Looser Kumagawa was a good way to end the series.

Dat unexpected ending.
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>>100899765
>>100899675
So didn't Ruki show up in the last chapter? Was Ajimu just a severe case of chuuni?
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>>100899979
They weren't, really.
I mean, most of the people who go to MB threads were Kumafags, so there's pretty much discussion all around for him.

I just wanted to discuss Zen much more back then but eh, you can't always be a winner now can you?
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So basically kumagawa can undo everything right?
Which means that he can basically undo any actions that he does...

if so which ass did he tapped the hardest?
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>>100899214
At the end.
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>>100900195
What is this, fanservice for ants? Fantservice?
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>>100900081
Well let's discuss Zen! Had he not ended with Medaka, who do you think would've been best candidate?
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>>100900245
No one because it would have thrown the known universe in peril.
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>>100899598
I wish I could've enjoyed Medaka Box with /a/
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>>100900195
You can't infinitely use powers, your personal strength is the cap on powers, and powers can decay as well.

So even at the peak of his all fiction powers there is still a limit on what he can do.
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>>100900245
Everyone had an equal chance at getting Zen EXCEPT Medaka.

That goes for Shiranui, Emukae, Naze, Nienami (That bit scene) and Ajimu.

Of course, the most likely choice would be for him to somehow end up with Kumagawa. The more you hate the more you love.
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>>100900364
He couldn't win, after all
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>>100900273
I always thought kumagawa was an overpowered guy who loved to whine about his definition of winning and losing, but zenkichi was just a normal guy who went through a lot because of his strong will so I always found him the most interesting and lovable character.
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>>100900245
In a weird way, the entire series is based on the premise of the two being in love. Without Medaka and Zen's relationship the story doesn't exist. It's the keystone of the story.

Where Zen won me over was his amazingly based ability Devil Style. That was so cheesy that it still stands out as my favorite thing from the entire series. He can give himself any power or ability imaginable and his choice is to cancel fate and become a man who governs his own destiny? Goddamn, that's cool as the devil himself right there.
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>>100900362
You should have been here when Zenkichi won the Medaka or beat the shit out of Ihiko see >>100899598
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>>100899819
It's not so amusing that here and on 2ch could see the failure coming a mile away with how they adapted it. It's why everyone thought they would do something original or unexpected.

But no all we got was a lazy lengthy panel to panel adaption of the worst parts of the manga.

Who ever was in charge of production is fucking clueless.
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Since we're talking about Zen, I miss the times when we thought he was going to end up like Medaka-dad, equally giving his love for all the members.
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>>100900473
I liked Zen primarily because he fuckin punched enemies with otherwordly powers.
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>>100900556
Remember when the raws with Zen winning the election came out? Those were some good times.
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>>100900556
Or Ajimu 6 pages of powers
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>>100900555
He became so normal, they had to classify him as plus nor minus. Zen was great.
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>>100900612
I avoided the threads like a plague
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>>100900565
>It's why everyone thought they would do something original or unexpected.

Remember that theory that the manga would end with the election and the anime would be a continuation? That would have been something.
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Should've ended the manga here like Nisio wanted to.
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>>100900473
Kumagawa is not owerpowered, he can't control his powers that well, and they don't really give him anything beyond being immortal.
You should take a look at his situation through meta-stuff, he is a type of character who never can change his position, yes, he can redoo anything, but he can't be a main character, can't win in a battle because...well he just can't.
I agree thought that his wining/losing situation is quite ridicilous, considering that he always win in every situation, but that's because it's not going the way he wanted, challenging the rules and wining as the rules set, instead it's always a mess where rules are just being broken and it doesn't matter what he do.
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Has there been any chapter where Kumagawa and Zenkichi teamed up?
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>>100900633
>Best Shounen of all time lined up by Ajimu
10/10 wife would marry and have children
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>>100900639
But the threads during the election arc were the best. So many long and entertaining debates.
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>>100900704
There was one they were back-to-back i believe
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>that moment when the original TLers had realized how they had fucked up zen's "devil" shit during the election arc
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>>100900245
More than anything else I wanted Medaka to get the Zen, but I'll say I would have accepted a Naze or Ajimu end.
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>>100900633
>Kinnikuman
Good tastes right there
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>>100900792
>not admitting the girlfriend mistake until the very last chapter
Oh CXC.
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>>100900792
Zen was too cool for them.
Devil Cool
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While I do love Kumagawa and all of his crazy antics, I've ended up loving Zenkichi a lot more after the series had ended.
Yes GLK was a great spin-off, and Kumagawa was a great character, but seeing Zenkichi work his way up from the bottom to the top of every-fucking-thing that has been piled on him as this series went on, you just couldn't help but root for him.

I honestly think he's more of an "underdog" than Kumagawa, but that's just my opinion out of all these.
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>>100900633
I really have to hand it to the people who translated Medaka. They did a great job with panels like this and pic related. Looks slow as fuck to translate.
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>>100900792
If they had spent less time whining about how much they hated the series and more time working on the translation, it might have been better.
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>>100900410
>He couldn't win.
>Implying he's not just undoing his victories just to fit himself to a character stereotype which is essential for a shounen manga character

It's like you haven't read enough nisioisin
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>>100900869
This
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>he died again
Oh man, I miss those threads.
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>>100900872
Except
>Friendship Skill
>Exertion Skill
>Victory Skill
They really needed a competent editor.
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>>100900852
To this day I've still seen people latch on to that.
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>>100900872
They did put a lot of work, but their English was pretty shit and a lot was lost in translation.
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>>100900922
Oh for sure, I'm not arguing that the editing was great. But they definitely put in the effort.
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>>100900918
Too bad we weren't really on top of our pun game for that one.
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Its been almost a year. What is the author doing now?
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>>100900931
>to even the lowest of you insects
I want Ajimu to trash talk me more.
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>>100900633
>Jostar
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>>100900676
>had to deal with ajimu being dead for good and not getting to be a normal girl

fuck that whole arc it just feels like they had to do something with the loli after hyping her up
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>>100900980
>author
fuckm meant artist. Niisio is writing more shit LNs
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>>100900980
Nisio's writing more novels and shit.
Riro had a oneshot in Next recently.
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>>100900980
A million LNs, as always.
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>>100900980
Still needs to finish Monogatari novels. Any Nisio work is exciting news for me though. I'd love for him to do another short series along the lines of katanagatari.
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So does anyone have an explanation for how this doesn't count as winning?
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>>100900869
Not going to disagree with your opinion, but Zen was in my opinion less of independent character, his relation to Medaka dragging him into depths of hell, I mean if he would act on his own rather then go MUH MEDAKA it would be better.
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>>100900869
He'll do anything for his waifu.
Literally anything. Even go to the moon or blow it up.
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>>100901075
Because he was looking for directions.
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>>100901075
He was just trying to get ask for directions, that wasn't even a fight. In the end he had to find the office all on his own.
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If I recall correctly, Medaka Box sold like shit right? which is all fairness isn't fair since the first two arcs are dogshit to begin with, is there really no chance with them continuing? I mean, why even add the Kumagawa episode if you weren't going to do anything
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>>100901060
I would liek if someone would translate Mahou Risuka.
I'm quite interested to see how Nisio would make JoJo battles on his own.
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>>100901024
Riroland has become addicted to words, much in the same way a slut can be broken and addicted to cocks.
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>>100900869
And yet he ended up with worst girl.

Truly Zenkichi's life is suffering.
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>>100901075
˹It's not even his fault˼
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>>100901081
Without medaka he wouldn't exist, without zen medaka would be dead, they need each other to exist, they are 1 being in 2 bodies.
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>>100901152
They added because they weren't going to and so there would be some animated Kumagawa for fans.
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>>100900972
Bunny girl was a real heart-breaker. Zenkichi really got shafted there. The penetration happened sooner than I expected. Bunny took him from behind.

And so on.
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I'm really like characters that comes later after Minus arc a lot better.
Hipster-kun, Nienami, fuck they so much better than Akune and all THOSE SUPAH GENIUSES and shit.
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Medaka Box is a series that leaves you satisfied with almost everything except Ajimu
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>>100901152
Why do all the little extra references they did? Maybe they were trying to be nice to the manga fans, though it felt like a cruelty.
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>>100900245
This girl.
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>>100901308
>Zenkichi will never hold you in his hands and fight the bastard that injured you
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>>100901308
>picking unusual choice

You aren't fooling anyone Bami.

Although there was a time there when we thought she would get haremzoned.
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>>100901172
What is this and why isn't it scanlated?
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>Although there was a time there when we thought she would get haremzoned.
Wait. Who DOES Zen's harem consist of anyway?
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>>100901060
He is writing a novel (not LN) series.

"Legend series"

Will be 5 novels in total.
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>>100901454
Medaka, Shiranui, Emukae, Naze and Nienami (To an extent)

Also, Kumagawa, Munakata and Bami.
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>>100901442
Look in the archive.
It's not scanlated because no Japanese raws. (Though the chink translators left some of it in moonspeak).

Looks interesting, though, I would read it if it got serialization.
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>>100901465
I'll look forward to that then. Just kidding, it'll never get a translation just like most of his light novels.
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>>100901565
Naze comes as a two-for-one deal too.
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>>100901674
>I started both those rounds of punning

My proudest moment.
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>>100900792
Hum?
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>>100901674
My my, so simple, people used to be more cleaver and twisted years ago, they aren't even trying anymore.
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>>100901565
You forgot Ajimu.
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>>100898003
In a doujin i read he NTR'ed medaka away from zenkichi
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>>100901768
No, he didn't. It's >Nienami one.
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>>100901847
Every doujin is like that. I wish nipland was more creative.
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>>100901847
>hate when he hate fucks Naze with All Fiction
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>>100901847
Doujin is not canon. Therefore he's not winning.
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>>100901875

For awhile I felt like Nisio was thinking about chucking Kobe in there too.
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>>100901914
>Doujin is not canon
/a/ said it was
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>>100901961
The only canon doujin is that Emukae page.
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>>100901961
Revise the definition of "dōjin" and ignore /a/ please.
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>>100901900
I remember there's one doujin where kumagawa rape some character outside the manga. What's with the rape and Kumagawa? He's still pure.
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I don't think there was a bigger letdown in my whole life than when pic related didn't happen.

>my waifu will never have her arc animated

True suffering. But god, what a perfect voice she had. Nana did an incredible job, made my dick diamonds.
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>>100902122
But that was the whole point of that doujin, it's not rape because she's asking for it.
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>>100902123
Didn't she speak in audio drama.
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>>100902122
see>>100901903
that's probably the best Medaka doujin, everything else has disgusting art
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Zen is love.
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>>100902122
Kumagawa is either an eternal virgin or raped by a thousand faceless men in middle school. I still don't know which.
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>>100902201
I didn't even know MB got an Audio Drama. I'll have to check it out.
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>>100902226
There are some pretty decent ones.
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>>100902448
Everything gets a Audio Drama nowadays.
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You hyped
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>>100902702
>support only
No, I mad
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>>100902702
>support only
I'm mad.
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>Best girl lost

Still mad
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>>100902702
>support only
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Zen's mother is best milf.
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>>100902723
>>100902735
>>100902788
Madmind
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>>100902723
It will be a DLC fest like that JoJo game.
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>>100902863
http://gematsu.com/2013/12/j-stars-victory-vs-wont-paid-character-dlc
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>>100902702
Somewhere, all by himself, Zenkichi is crying.
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>>100902948
Damn. That reminds me, I really hated that part of the arc. But at least, it was where Zen stopped with the bullshit and went with Ajimu.
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>>100902723
>>100902735
> Implying Kumagawa would work as a playable character.

His core pointd are 1. He can regenerate from anything with AF and 2. Even without AF he can't be put down.
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>>100903149
But Medaka' the player character. And she's got that 120% AF shit.
In a game full of shounen MCs, you're going to have to tone down their canon abilities anyway.
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I it's not medaka but Risuka has JoJoesqe battles like Medaka, I wonder why no one translate it, it's only three volumes and it's quite easy comparing to any other Nisio work.
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>>100903282
I'd really like to read (fully translated) Risuka too. But it's not happening unless it gets a adaptation and a psychotic fanbase like Monogatari did.
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>>100902226
There are some doujins out there with good art, but they don't get scanned.
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>You will never be bros with Kuma and Zen
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I'm still mad
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>>100905769
>you will never have a near death experience and fall unconscious, only to have Anshin'in-san meet you in a classroom in your mind and belittle you
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>>100906300
You knew it was coming.

If not, you should have.
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>>100902794
Oh, the joy I feel every time that image is posted.
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I miss making screw puns every week.
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Goddamn, translation and scan quality at the beginning of the Minus Arc was so terrible. I'd do anything to get a better translation so I could reset it to the tank scans.
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>>100907895
I realized what the fuck's wrong with cxc. They don't end sentences with full fucking stops.
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I swear Riroland's art style is so based.
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>>100907387
>mfw I see my own work there
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>>100912144

I wish he'd do more lewd. Whether it's of Medaka Box or not doesn't even matter to me. Though artists doing lewd of their own non-lewd work is an instant-boner for me.
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>>100912144
My only complaint is the way the draws hands and profiles.
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>>100912441
but dem blushes tho

I also love the eyes and reaction faces he draws.
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>>100912441
What's wrong with his hands?
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>>100913129
They look like shit.
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>>100913231
I'm not seeing it.
Female characters have slender hands.
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>>100900676
>>100901019
No, screw you. We got good back story in the arc after that.
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>>100913301
He doesn't draw the finger joints on the "slender-type" hands, and tapers them off bizarrely. It's deviantart tier.
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>>100913301
It's not a matter of gender. They just look very off most of the time.
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The hands reminded me of jojo a lot.
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>>100901847
Those Kumagawa NTR doujins are retarded. Not only do they fuck with Kumagawa's character, but they make Medaka to become instantly submissive and cock-obsessed, while Zen is reduced to the average nameless beta. Worst yet, we never got doujins of Kuma and Zen fucking their harems together in some sort of deliciously awkward school orgy because all the doujins where the same NTR shit...
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>>100912144
I wish he didn't have random shit flying around characters all the time, it looks stupid as hell.

>>100913231
Dem triangles.
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>>100913580
Eh, they're just stylized. It's nothing major.

>>100913580
The guys seem to have normal hands though.
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>>100913866
Don't be that guy who dismisses bad or lazy art as "stylized."

>The guys seem to have normal hands though.
Except Kumagawa, who is practically a girl anyway.
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>>100913724
They also often look too round and lacking in detail. It doesn't bother me a lot, but it gets to me sometimes. Especially the shape.
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>>100914057
They seem fine there >>100913301.
I can see that it might not be his strong point, but I think you're overreacting.
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>>100914243
>overreacting
You must be imagining something very strange, but all I said was "They look like shit" and gave some examples.
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>>100914243
Looks pretty lazy and under-detailed in >>100913301 as well. I don't even get why you'd use that as a reference seeing as it's not even a whole hand.
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>>100914516
"Shit" is a pretty strong word.
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>>100914561
Is this your first day on /a/ or something?
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>>100914561
10/10 made my laugh.
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>>100914600
Yes, it's an incredible experience.
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>>100914556
Eh, I'm not gonna go hunt down good examples hands just for this arguments sake.
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>>100914751
They usually look better when it's a large close-up, and in the oneshot or earlier chapters. You can kind of see Riro's art degrade as the series went on; I think he was having trouble with the weekly schedule towards the end.

Anyway, if you have to hunt for good examples, but bad examples can be found by picking any page at random, I think you've already lost the argument.
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>>100915013
I'm still not seeing what the big deal is, so it's obvious that I apparently have shit taste when it comes to hands.
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>>100915306
Apparently.
But don't worry, we can always talk about how beautiful Riro's tits and asses are.
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>>100915530
When's he gonna do porn again?
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>>100915661
He already is.
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>>100915803

Intriguing.
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>>100915803
Wait I thought he hadn't done anything new in a while?
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>>100916176
Just the oneshot.
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>>100915803

What name does he release under?
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>>100916444
But that's not porn anon.
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>>100916628
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>>100916444
Translations when.
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>>100916655
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>>100896237
Typical underdog effect.
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>>100916767
When CXC gets to it. Or maybe when some anon feels like it.

Feels like GLK 2 all over again.
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>>100916917
CXC didn't even do GLK in the end. And I don't think there are any Japanese scans online. It would suck to have to translate it from Chinese.
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>>100916855
He actually made a good villain and an interesting character in general.
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>>100916767
Never, unless it get serialized.
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>>100900676
>ending without the fresh prince of tokyo
Come on.
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>>100917231
>Kumagawa
>Not the hero fighting against Medaka's tyrannical rule.
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So am I the only one that didn't like Kumagawa?
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>>100917333
Fuck him
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>>100917336
Three years of Kumagawa vs the Not Equals would have been a thousand times more interesting than Medaka's random crap.

>>100917341
Any popular character can expect to have some haters too.
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>>100917341
>He doesn't dream of being a winner
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>>100917333
I thought Iihiko was really annoying, actually. The concept of MC vs MC could have been cool, but in the end he turned out to be a really boring villain.
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>>100902364
I'v never seen dj's with him being raped.
I feel kind of interested in them now.
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>>100917604
>The concept of MC vs MC could have been cool
That was the Election Arc though.
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>>100917633
You'd think it'd be a good femdom setup, right?
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>>100917838
That was a pretty good one-shot.
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>>100917336
This is what Kumagawafags actually believe.

The whole school wanted to depend on Medaka and it took Zen calling them out to make them realize how they were shifting so much responsibility to Medaka because they were all being lazy asses.
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>>100917922
I could have done with a few more chapters of it, although I'm not sure it really had the potential to go for ages.
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>>100917779
>not having this as a wallpaper even in 2014
>100900633
>Duplicate file exists.
I am happy that people actually have it. I can die in peace.
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>>100917439
>Three years of Kumagawa vs the Not Equals would have been a thousand times more interesting than Medaka's random crap.

Says you. Even the scanlators were bored of the shitty non equal middle schoolers.
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>>100917233
I hope it does.
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>>100917779
Election Arc was 'secondary character taking over the MC role by force'. (As defined in story, not talking about the interpretations of Zen being the MC from the start).

Fresh Arc should have been '2 MCs from different places against each other' but it didn't explore the idea much, everything just turned into puns and fights.
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>>100917779
>not having this as a wallpaper even in 2014
>>100900633
>Duplicate file exists.
I am happy that people actually have it. I can die in peace.
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>>100917873
Yes
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>>100901847
>>100901900
>>100913724
Those Kumagawa doujins were all made by the same fucking artist in the first place.

Japan doesn't make Kumagawa doujins. You can only say "Japan" when more than 5 artists are making Kumagawa doujins but when it is only just one artist making shitty, retarded NTR doujins, you shouldn't use the word "Japan" at all because Japan, in the first place, could care less about making Medaka Box doujins and you know this to be true.
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>>100918152
The Fresh Prince wasn't a main character anymore. He was just the legend of an ancient hero, a main character that already protected what he had to protect. And just as a legend he was just passed on from a person to person.
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>>100918152
Honestly, Anshin'in-san messed up from the get-go by making Zenkichi the candidate for her plan... kinda funny too considering how genre-savvy she is and she couldn't realize that even early on Zen was the best possible choice for beating Medaka.
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Reminder that Medaka felt really great about defeating and threatening to cut out the tongue of a little kid.
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>>100918364
>The Fresh Prince wasn't a main character anymore.
I know, that's why I was disappointed.
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>>100918152
Iihiko was much more meta than that.
He was a refreshing way to mix shit up after the powerlevels had become so ridiculous.
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>>100918360
>more than 5 artists are making Kumagawa doujins
I could tell you about various fujo doujins, but I don't think anyone wants to hear about that.
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>>100918484
You have only yourself to blame for that.
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>>100918484
Don't worry, anon. Continue on living and one day I will give you myself a joy for your soul.
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>>100918479
If we can't have a manga sequel about Kumagawa, then at least make one about grown-up Unzen and Momo doing crazy sexy things.
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>>100918479
By that point the little kid was holding her fiance hostage and planning to use her for her families influence. This after she had to see another bitch run said fiance through with a spear. Momo was stupid enough to have it coming...
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>>100900081
>I mean, most of the people who go to MB threads were Kumafags, so there's pretty much discussion all around for him.

Newfag detected.

The last 3 weeks before the Medaka Box manga ended had /a/ laughing their ass off over pathetic Kumagawafags posting their shitty fanfiction of Kumagawa only for Nisio Isin to troll them every week.

Barely any Kumagawafags were left on /a/ for the last 2 Medaka Box arcs until the last 3 chapters because Kumagawa was irrelevant as fuck by then and people were more interested in Mr. Fresh Prince.
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>>100900633
You just now realize how small she is.
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>>100918722
>Not about Zen and Hipster-kun and the ordeals they go through while working for the Kurokami Corporation with every arc ending with them kicking back in Hanten's bar.
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>>100918832
And then the main story ended, GLK 2 came out, and the only long lasting threads we have now are still focused on Kumagawa.
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>>100918722
>grown-up Unzen and Momo doing crazy sexy things.

The world couldn't handle that amount of sexiness. Grown-up Unzen alone is almost more than human civilization can handle.
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>>100918468
Nah Zen deferred to Medaka his entire life. And even though he loves her and she hilariously loved him since they met and she proposed... Would their relationship have worked? Medaka would still go out on a limb to stop other people, and Zen would spend time with her and support her. But the relationship would have been too sided towards Medaka. By saying even when she's right, she can be wrong, I took it to mean that they couldn't have a normal relationship even for them.
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>>100918890
>just now

Where have you been?
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>>100918905
We already determined long ago that nearly every spin-off idea would be better than the main series.

I'm still really partial to the hardboiled adventures of detective Zenkichi and private eye Hipster-kun.
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>>100918920
>and the only long lasting threads we have now are still focused on Kumagawa.

>Implying they are long lasting.

Please, I seen those threads and only discussion about Ajimu and her abilities and the scan group that translated all her skills were the ones that kept the thread alive.

Kumagawafags must be blind.

It is actually Ajimu and Fresh that keep threads alive.
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>>100919267
>We already determined long ago that nearly every spin-off idea would be better than the main series.
The fanfiction I read says otherwise.
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>>100919267
>hardboiled adventures of detective Zenkichi and private eye Hipster-kun.

Oh yeah, I remember that one. We had a lot of the roles figured out, didn't we?
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>>100919343
>reading fanfiction
Jesus Christ, why would you do that to yourself? The threads here were bad enough when that one tripfag would come and start greentexting his delusions.
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>>100919294
>It is actually Ajimu and Fresh that keep threads alive.
Anon pls. They always end up living through the tits and asses.
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>>100919368
I remember Munakata as Zenkichi's former partner who was accused of murdering Kumagawa (causing our heros Zen and Hipster-kun to team up). I can't remember who we had for the chief of police.
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>>100898612
Nabeshima.
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>>100918990
I wasn't talking about their relationships at all though, just that from an in-story perspective Zenkichi was the best candidate to fight Medaka because his entire premise throughout the early parts was "the normal who could keep up with Medaka". Ajimu fucked up hard because she chose the one guy who had taken all of Medaka's shit for all his life. It was a terrible idea to choose him even without taking into account the fact he was the other protagonist (though not from an in-story perspective).
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>>100919498
Obviously Ajimu is the femme fatale who comes and sits on the edge of the PI's desk.
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>>100896578
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Remember when someone said they'd translate this?
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>>100919417
Remember that guy who flipped the fuck out when the first spoilers about Iihiko came out, and Ajimu said she could only hold him off for a few seconds?
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>>100918920
>Implying anyone gives a shit about GLK.

Its last chapter was pretty much just another epilogue prior the timeskip and just an extended ending credits scene

No one gives a shit about Kumagawa attending another middle school when the more interesting cast don't appear until Kumagawa reaches highschool.

SharkTeeth even lost her edge and just became another generic girl rock group leader.

There wasn't even any harmonica playing.
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Couldn't he had won at least once?
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Best girl.
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>>100919699
But he did.
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>>100919699
He apparently got the Jewish Swimmer Chick pregnant and her baby has white hair and we all know that Kumagawa's hair is naturally white and that he doesn't actually have black hair
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>>100919507
Wait. I agree it was a stupid how Ajimu didn't realize how Zenkichi was already the other protagonist, but why did that make choosing him a bad idea? She wanted to beat Medaka, and even though she arrived at her choice through a different route, she still picked the best guy for the job.
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>no snow white arc
>no middle school flashback arc
>no ancient heroes arc
>no Zen's Dad arc
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>>100919821
>Ajimu didn't realize how Zenkichi was already the other protagonist
She did though. That's why she chose him.
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>>100919799
>He apparently got the Jewish Swimmer Chick pregnant
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>>100919679
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>>100919843
>no [Ladies and Gentlemen] arc
I can't be mad enough.
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>>100919901
OK fucker, tell me who else the father could be.

It was heavily implied to be kumagawa.
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>>100919976
What part of my post implied that I want to go over this shit for the thousandth time?
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>>100919976
Not that guy, but it really wasn't.
They specifically said they hadn't seen him in years.
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>>100919901
Swimmer chick was the last person from their graduating high school class who met Kumagawa one last time

Her baby has white hair and we know Kumagawa dyes his naturally white hair black.

Her baby's name also essentially means "Good Luck", the opposite of Kumagawa's nickname.
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>>100920140
>They specifically said they hadn't seen him in years.

Only Zen said that, not Swimmer Chick..

All she does in response to hearing Zen say that is shift her eyes with a long suspicious pause to boot.
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>>100920102
The fact that you brought it up again.
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>>100919926
IT reminds me of this guy.
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>>100920152
The baby is too young for it to match with his disappearance and basing it on the hair color is pretty flimsy.

It could be Kumagawa, but it wasn't fucking "heavily implied".
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>>100920152
Isn't she supposed to be married?
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>>100905769
You will never be pierced with Kumagawa's screws and brought back with All Fiction.

>captcha
>toopack unprovok
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>>100920369
Yeah, to kumagawa.
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>>100920292
>thinks it's heavily implied that it was Kumagawa's baby
>thinks that my post heavily implied that I wanted to debate this all over again

Your ability to detect implications is not great.
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>>100920314
Sometimes I have a hard time convincing myself they're not the same person.
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>>100919821
Because her plan hinged on LOSING, anon. She wanted to make sure the world wasn't some shitty manga were she could do overcome any obstacle and so wanted to have Zen lose to Medaka even with her support. That's why she tries to kill herself once Zen wins and Medaka has to step in to stop her.

>>100919897
She only realized subconsciously that Zen was the protag. It's why she lusted after his dick but didn't act on it to make the series a harem. Really wished she would've so Zen would end up becoming Medaka-papa MK.2, and the epilogue being about the two families on a island vacation, with the two fathers bro-ing it out.
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I'd forgotten all about this pic. Was this the final version?
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>>100920369
Kumagawa disappeared by becoming a NEET HIKKI House Husband who never leaves the house.
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>>100920575
Yeah, looks about right.
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>>100920534
>Because her plan hinged on LOSING
Jesus you're retarded.
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>>100920152
>Her baby's name also essentially means "Good Luck", the opposite of Kumagawa's nickname.
All that means is that the Jewslut still screams "Misogi-chan!" when he's fucking her nameless husband.
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>>100920779
Yeah, I'm sure they are plenty of white haired males in Medaka Box
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>>100920779
**she's fucking her nameless husband
Or whatever.
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>>100920779
She probably tells him to call her "Kikaijima-san" while they're doing it.
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>>100920683
Go back and read the manga anon. You clearly need to since you can't even remember what Ajimu's motivation was...
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>>100920973
She wanted to see if she could beat the unbeatable. Her entire plan was to make sure she couldn't fail and make sure that she wasn't living in a real world.
If she had planned on losing she could just go with Kumagawa or someone she knew was bound to lose.
Again, you're clearly retarded.
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>>100920973
Yeah, her motivation was she wanted to prove she could lose.
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>>100920498
All Fiction works only because everything is Komaeda's dream during his coma. He can't let himself to be above "talanted" person that's why he can't win even in dream.
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>>100920879
I can't detect if that's sarcasm or not.
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>>100921189
She wanted to lose, but she couldn't lose satisfactorily if she didn't try seriously to win.
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>>100921176
>You were relying on Zenkichi in order to lose!
>lose
...Seriously anon. Re-read the fucking manga.
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>>100899715
Ironically, Naze wouldn't even flinch let alone bat an eyelid

Imagine railing her butthole mercilessly with her not even reacting, I think that's even hotter
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>>100921364
Of course the ideal would be if she lost, but her plan wouldn't make any sense if she didn't aim for victory.

Anyone can lose on purpose. Why did she train Zenkichi if she wasn't trying to make him win?
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>>100899402
That's Tsurubami Fukurou
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>>100920879
The baby had light colored hair. We'll never find out if it was white or pink or green or whatever.
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>>100921555
No, that's quite right. However, >>100921176 is basically spelling it out as if her goal was to win, even though it was precisely to "lose even after trying to win". There's a big difference between both statements.
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>>100921753
>lose even after trying to win
Yes precisely, which is why saying that she "planned" on losing is retarded. She was obviously trying to win. Losing would just have been the optimal outcome.
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>>100921941
Her goal WAS losing though. The reason why Medaka is pissed is precisely because Ayumu put Zenkichi up to fight her with the purpose of losing in mind. In the end it just comes to differing interpretations of what we see as her goal of losing anon, and I'm too tired to keep trying to maintain an argument on a series that has ended, while in the middle of a birthday party.
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>>100902226
I disagree.

The one with Kumagawa NTRing Medaka was easy on the eyes.
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If Kumagawa is the biggest loser
Is Zenkichi the biggest winner?
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>>100919729
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>>100920575
that guy at the bottom left-corner looks like such a bro
Who is he?
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>>100923078
Isn't that the Judo Chick who actually went to the Olympics while everyone else in school mostly remained obscure?
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>>100923450
I dunno, never seen him before. Did he even go to that school?
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>>100923602
Not exactly sure.
looks like he's wearing a school uniform but it's kinda hard to tell

also, this is probably unrelated, who did the guy on the left here fight? all i remember is that he had a pretty cool minus
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>>100923450
>>100923602
Dammit you guys.
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>>100923953
forgot pic
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>>100923953
>>100924101
I can't recall, probably had his fight offscreen like Medaka and the 640,000 Nurses. But I think that's the same guy on the bottom panel you have there. And they're calling him Hinokage, was there a Hinokage at Hakoniwa? Was this from an aborted arc?

>>100924008
What?
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>>100923504
Zen and Hipster-kun are high-ranking employees working for the Kurokamis. Akune starts his own famous toy company. Unzen is the president of a security company in charge of national defense.The successor kids make a game studio. They all did fairly well in the world, except for some Minus and Kumagawa.
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>doujins that involve kumagawa using all fiction in creative ways

Why are they so fantastic?
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>>100921235
Wasn't Hipster-kun's hair green?
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>>100927847
Gainax knows what we want.
And they'll make sure we do not get it.
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>>100928077
As expected of Gainax
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http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72805277/#q72832194

S2 was good.
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Just downloaded this series. What am I in for?
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>>100928368
S1 is mostly episodic retarded comedy with likeable characters here and there.
S2 is like that but without episodic retarded comedy but with generic fighting shounen.
The part after that in the manga is the Kumagawa wild ride.
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>>100928320
>4 cour confirmed

If only.
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>>100928368
Nothing amazing. Just don't watch the final episode of S2 until you've read some of the manga.
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>>100928368
Zenkichi being devil cool. His scenes are the highlight of the 2 seasons since we never got the Minus Arc. The last ep of s2 is best watched until you've gotten further into the manga though.
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>>100928723
We knew what was going to happen from the start, we just lied to ourselves to make it hurt less.
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>>100924483
>Unzen is the president of a security company in charge of national defense.
Also six time winner of the Sexiest Man Alive Award.
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>>100930053
I want Anshin'in-sensei to teach me nip nong.
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So there are really two major characters that /a/ likes from Medaka Box right? Zen and Kumagawa?
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>>100931796
I suppose.
There are also minor characters with a noticeable number of fans. (Hipster-kun, Ruki, etc)
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>>100931796
Ajimu, overpowered lewd spamming hackers are best.
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>>100931796
Depends how you define major characters. Plenty of people like Ajimu, Emukae, and Shiranui too.
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>>100931796
Pretty much. They get the most discussion out of them. Although, I'm quite saddened by the fact that Zenkichi was always under 5th place in the character polls for MB sans the two or three polls that had him in the top three.

He could've at least became second in the last poll but no, people had to vote Akune over him for some reason.
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>>100932041
>Akune
I swear to god some obsessive fan was ballot stuffing. Shit makes no sense.
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>>100932309
>monotits got both first place
Oh wow.
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>>100932488
No you dumbass. Read it again.
Akune got second.
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>>100900676
Nisio created Iihiko to symbolize both the unbeatable desire of the masses and the editors contributing to the potential rotting the story might've suffered later on (as Ajimu said, beyond 10 volumes).
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>>100932309
>>100932041
nisio has a big female fanbase.

Akune is just a character the latched onto.

Naze was more popular than Kuma on 2ch and that poll was probably very much 2ch and fujo dominated.
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>>100932816
>fujo dominated.
Pixiv, the doujins, fan made merchandise (the areas where female fans usually make themselves known) all point to Kumagawa. Majority of fujo doujins are Kuma/Zen too, with Kuma/Akune in second place.

But the real mystery is that suitor whose name I can't remember getting 4th place. That guy's not even fujobait.
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>>100933472
Why is Emukae so pure and perfect?
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>>100933687
Him?
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>>100900633
Why did they call Masaru a 'sexy department head'? Wasn't it a mustache club?
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Why is this shit so fucking edgy?
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>>100933883
Yeah. Wasn't his shtick being stepped on or something?
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>>100933687
And the girl with shark teeth always got last place for some reason, she got like 4 panels in the whole manga.
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>>100933984
>the girl with shark teeth
Saki?

If you look through the complete list of votes, there's always silly stuff like votes for Takarabe's panties, or for Kumagawa Sososgi.
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>>100933472
>>100933788
>>100934417
Best Medaka Box
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>>100934544
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>>100934544
She deserved better than CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and the friendzone.
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>>100934417
>>100934544
>>100934621
I wish Medaka's Dad could've at least taught him a thing or two about accepting your harem.
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>>100934182
>Saki?
No, the girl with shark teeth and always wears a blindfold whom Medaka defeated along with 2 other guys at the start of the Flask Plan arc.
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>>100934774
Hirado Royal.
Japan has some kind of hard-on for her.
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>>100934618
She had to be friendzoned, there was no other way.
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>>100934709
Yeah, Zen totally blew it.
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>>100934920
It can't be helped.
Apparently, Medaka having things go her way included relationships with people.
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>>100933949
Yep
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>>100935047
I liked it when Zen disappointed her.
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RUKI RUKI

RUKI SUKI
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>>100935414
I wish she won Zenkichi. That bite scene was cute.
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>>100935414
Not even the best suitor.

Adult Momo >>> Princess > Ruki > Porn Star > Some other one I can't remember > Screwdrivers >>> Child Momo
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>>100935506
She deserved better treatment.
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> 平戸ロイヤルさんは選挙管理委員ではないです。彼女の目隠しは照れ隠しなのです。<維新>
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>>100935414
Second best girl
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>>100935615
>Some other one I can't remember

The glasses/suit chick.

Pretty good taste by the way.
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>>100935506
>>100935686
Wasn't she shipped with Bami?
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>>100901565
You forgot Torai.
>>100901682
You. I fucking like you.
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>>100935994
They were a tsukkomi/boke pair.
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>>100935994
Nah. They were a comedy duo. (Tsukkomi/Boke) And Bami was kinda gay for Zen, no?

>>100936065
>Torai
Who?
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>>100936081
And they really shouldn't have been. Making Hipster-kun into a tsukkomi is just terrible.
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I want a doujin of her testing out Kumagawa's new ideas.
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>>100936159
>And Bami was kinda gay for Zen, no?

No, they were bros.

Munakata, on the other hand...
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>>100913580
>why the hell are my hands so fucking sharp.png
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>>100936230
Everyone of Zen's bros were at least a little gay for him.

Likewise goes for Zen.
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>>100919503
You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman with great taste.

Or a fine lady with even greater taste if you swing that way.
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I wonder what Ajimu's up to these days? >implying she's dead

Wandering the cosmos?
Using that "be God skill" for a while?
Attending a different school under the name Seki?
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Don't forget, /a/.
It was I who
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>>100937072
Not even an omnipotent is able to outlive a cancelled manga.
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>>100937360
At least she stayed fresh.
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>>100919691
I remember when Q predicted 3 full arcs an entire 6 months away from when they actually happened (I think he got the chibi arc right, among others) and we all thought Nisio was among us.

Where is that fag anyway?
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>>100923165
someone should shoop "COCKS!" when she opens her eyes
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>>100937918
All she did was punch something then fall into the darkness pit of irrelevancy.
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>>100938877
She barely ever crawled out of the pit of irrelevancy in the first place.
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>>100937232
Godfuckingdammit.
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>>100937232
Who, what anon?
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>>100941705
Something about a half-assed confession.
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>>100899403
I'd like to see Nabeshima cheat her way through this.
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>>100941858
Don't try to split the discussion, now.
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>>100943050
>>100941858
>>100941705
Will you guys just cut to the chase already?
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>>100943117
No.
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>>100936065
>You forgot Torai.
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>>100928320
I was the OP in that thread, i really miss this shit and you guys.
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Anyone have the proto design pictures from the artbook?
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What if Shaft would do Medaka Box Minus and New Studen Council Arc?
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>>100937360
She lives on in other manga now
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>>100951565
I would suck their dicks and be their bitch
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>>100951565
Shaft will go rich. too bad they hate money.
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>>100952061
>Shota Shiranui
>Loli Ajimu
>??? Kumagawa

Aw shit.
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>>100951565
Nisio and Shinbo collab basically guarantees it'd be great. So much to work with with all the minuses and such. I'd miss the old OST though. Hopefully, they'd have the same seiyuu too.
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>>100937072
She was killed you dumb mother fucker.

The one character who could do true damage killed her.
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>>100896633
What a predictable and bland answer coming from Kumagawa.
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>>100896237
Never because this show is stupid and not even entertaining.
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>>100952061
>>100952197
Why is everybody chibi?
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>>100953427
And that's a bad thing?
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>>100953486
I never said it's bad.
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So is Kuwagawa a great character, or just a decent character in a shit series?

What makes him so good, in your opinion.
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>>100953535
It's one of those series where you either hate it to death or love it.
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>>100953626
Oh Ive read the series, it was...interesting, to say the least. And I loved Kuwagawa, I just want to hear the opinions of others on why Kuwagawa is great
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>>100953535
His fucking brackets
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>>100953535
One of the very first things that made me fall in love with Kumagawa was the way he absolutely fucked with Medaka and everybody
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>>100953535
because he has great taste
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>>100953790
Seconding this. The mc (Medaka) never really did annoyed at the villain. The only time she really pissed was when Kumagawa take the stage. Though it maybe just me, I'm the type that never really like main character winning everything.
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>>100953953
Medaka isn't the MC tho
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>>100954030
Oh god, not this again.
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>>100954030
Who then, please enlighten me.
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>>100953953
I agree, an MC who wins all the time is something that has to be done a specific way for me to enjoy

Usually it's never done right, and the MC becomes extremely irritating, like God of Highschool, the MC is pretty much invincible, but he's so fucking annoying. THose kinds of MCs I just relish when they lose, are made to look like fools, or humiliated.
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>>100954241
There is literally a whole arc about this. Zenkichi steals the title of MC from Medaka during the Election. That whole part with Ajimu telling him to git gud? That's Zen becoming the MC and shifting focus onto himself.
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>>100953790
Kumagawa never really was able to directly mindfuck Medaka.

He had to resort to attacking Zen or Ajimu to get a rise out of Medaka which shows he isn't as great a troll as you claim he is.

And Kumagawa never was able to mindfuck Zen for real.

It was the other way around. Zen mindfucked Kumagawa and made Kumagawa even have boogers and snot gushing out his nose and even grind his teeth so hard, blood drippled.

If anything, Zen was the one who mindfucked the most people in this manga. Kumagawa got minfucked. Medaka got mindfucked. Ajimu got mindfucked. Even Fresh got mindfucked.

Zen is a natural mindfucker.

Look how he mindfucked Medaka in their first ever meeting as kids without even being aware of it.

Kumagawa is a small time mindfucker.

Zen literally causes life-changing mindfucks.
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>>100953953
>Kumagawa is no in charge of the feminist movement
What changes?
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so anyone has a link where to read the extra final chapter of medaka? I know there's one but I've never found it.
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Medaka was never wrong.
Medaka has never lost.
Everyone that thinks otherwise is a bitch.
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>>100954538
Go to bed pre-character development Akune
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>>100954490
This one?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/196020/medaka-box_v22_ch192.5_by_anonymous
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>>100954687
yeah thanks, anon
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>>100953856
Best kouhai
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>>100896237
Medaka should have married Kumagawa!
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>>100899195
He is Bella from Twilight!
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>>100901900
Damn that is sexy, despite me hating character developed chars.
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>>100905115
Wow I do not know this one!
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>>100954434
Kumagawa's very existence shook Zen until Naze trained him.
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>>100919843
>dat ax! arc
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>>100958225
No, he's too good for that bitch.
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>>100933013
I still have one major problem with the fact that they made the Kurokami siblings into half sinblings.
Medaka and Kujira/Naze are supposed to look the same outside of cutting trademarks.
Only to then be made into half siblings from different mothers and it being proclaimed that Medaka looks like her late mother.
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>>100958225
I'd agree if I didn't like the Saki and Kumagawa relationships so much more.
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>>100936424
That damn block!
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>>100954434
Only first level readers think Medaka was the Mary Sue in MB, but anyone who has more than 3 brain cells realizes it is Zen who is.
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>>100958630
>>100958521
But she was his first love and he even met her before Zen did.
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>>100958748
Only why people think Medaka wasn't a mary sue is because Nisio turned her strength of being absolutely perfect into a weakness/something no one should aspire until Zenkichi broke her free of that.
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>>100953790
Pretty much this. It was great seeing people unnerved by his very presence. I get rock hard seeing confident, smug people lose their composure and panicking, which is why almost every appearance he made was amazing.
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>>100958844
I also liked when he finally lost it for the very first time
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>>100935786
>選挙管理委員

Jesus Christ, such a japanese level.
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>>100958889
It's great when such an event surprises the reader as much as the characters.
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>>100936188
Second best girl. The first is Nabeshima-senpai.
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>>100958833
You didn't notice that from the beginning she was like a blank page somebody had to write on?
It was never exactly pelled out, but she couldn't simply take skills and abilities from people being average at it.
She needed somebody special at it to learn it.
To fit the mary sue criteria she would have to either be universaly loved like Zen, already have the required skills for any and every situation like Ajimu or no conditions to "The End".
Nisio was playing with you and you fell for it!
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>>100959619
B-Baka na
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>>100958748
>Ii-chan is the main character, I swear, guys!
Nisio, leave.



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