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Praise JESUS and your Emperor!
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>>100894294
Also Tsundere heavy ship is finally in a good position
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I wish Jesus and Saber could fuck off already.
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>>100894294
that Kaiki
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>>100894294
Araragi sure is moe in that picture
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What am I looking at?
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Araragi and Kaiki. Hell yes.
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>>100894360
Shit taste
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>Saber

As expected of the company's cash cow.
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Arararagi is sure popular.

Way more popular than the girls in the show for some reason.
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I dont care about the rest of the list, I'm just glad Kaiki placed.
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>>100894434
That's because Arararararagi IS best girl.
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>>100894319
Japan slowly moves to 3D.
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Is there a new Newtype out?
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Jesus fans sure are dedicated.
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Which one is the untouchable one in the female side? Saber?

Also, is Kirito still rating?
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>Kirito got kicked out

Why?
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>>100894294
WHere do you go to vote on these things?
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>>100894552
You should be able to figure that out anon. Look again.
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>>100894294
then, from my crappy japanese

Male

1 Araragi
2 Jesus
3 Aladdin
4 Rurushu
5 Kaiki
6 Iori Sei
7 Eren
8 Gunzo fro Arperggio
9 Akki from Kanata
10 Ichika from Is

Female

1 Mikasa
2 Lacus
3 Takao
4 Seiba
5 Char
6 Kuriyama from Kanata
7 Hanekawa
8 Gahara
9 Himegami fro Stb
10 Morgiana
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>>100894591
What are you talking ab-


Oh. I get it. Sorry.
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>Mikasa
>Lacus
>Saber

Do people really get attached to these characters? They just have zero personality, it's hard to believe someone could actually like Mikasa or Saber. Or maybe it's because they're the female leads of popular titles.
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>>100894654
>Or maybe it's because they're the female leads of popular titles.
Damn Sherlock, you just solved the case.
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Years after Code Gease and Lelouch is still among the top 10 best male characters.
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>>100894654
>Saber

It's not like she is the franchise cashcow, with more than 4 clones
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>>100894654
They're cute. What doesn't make sense is Ichika making it.
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>>100894734
Well, she's a mascot character but not really a character.
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>>100894726
thanks Julius Kinglay for that
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>>100894654
saber is pretty and kicks ass

mikasa is very cute and kicks ass
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It's fucking nothing.

How is Mikasa even first, She is boring.
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>>100894726
RURUSHU is an awesome character. Code Geass wouldn't be the same without him. See Akito.
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>>100894294
why is jesus still even in the list?
this magazine must be doing some kind of long running gag to its readers
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>>100894598
>Ichika
Why?
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>>100894767
Saber is ugly though just like all Type-Moon characters.
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>>100894598
>Iori Sei

WHERE IS MY SAZAKI???????
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>>100894815
>underestimating Jesus
I don't doubt it for a second.
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>>100894830
This isn't monthly pedo zeek magazine
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>>100894830
Sazaki a shit.
Everyone knows the best male build fighter is Ral, with Fellini as a very close second.
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>>100894815
implying he is not your true lord and savior
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>>100894598
>Gahara

That's Shinobu. Senjougahara's name is about three times longer.
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>>100894294
Why is that faggot still in that ranking anyway?
Haven't watched SEED.
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>>100894909
By the power of fujoshits.
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>>100894654
Remember the origininal reason why Rei is like Rei? Make a character which is like japanese societies expectation of women X 1000, so that people will be freaked out by her total lack of caring for herself, her showing no emotion and being totally devoted to her quasi-husband? Turns out they are still into those types. At least you tried, anno.
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FUCK YES, LORD AND SAVIOR THREAD?
LORD AND SAVIOR THREAD.
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>>100894598
>Hanekawa
Rare case of good taste, I guess.
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If theres a new Newtype out, where the fuck are the new F/SN news?
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How are these rankings legit if we can't vote?

Racist japs.
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>>100894815
Why is jesus still has followers after 2000 years?
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>>100895177
The votes and opinions of filthy gaijin don't matter.
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>>100895128
FSN news is going to be in Type Moon Ace.

Which comes out SOON.
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>>100895177
>Wanting the feminist / politically correct controlled western to shit over your votes

Hahaha no.
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>>100895244
For some reason i thought it was coming on Newtype, fuck
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>Char

disgusting
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>>100894598
How can someone like Ichika
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>Ichika
>Char
this is why IS2 sold like a hotcakes
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>Araragi
>Mikasa
Good choice. Great choice
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>>100895337
How can someone dislike Ichika? except for his obliviousness, he's a great MC.
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>>100895413
He's gay
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>>100895413
>except for his obliviousness
But that's literally his only character trait.
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>>100895413
He's too much of a homo. Just hook up with houki already.
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>>100895300
what's so bad about a char?
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>>100894294
>takao
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Saber stronk
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>>100895530
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>mik ASS a
>best
pick two
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>6 Kuriyama from Kanata
You really fucking out-did yourselves this time Japan.
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>>100894654

I like both. They're both very easy to like because they're extremely dedicated to protecting someone. Devotion is likeable. I don't "self insert". I just like seeing it. I enjoy seeing loyalty in male characters to. Maybe it's my fascination with knights, but gender isn't really relevant. Orange-kun was my favourite character in Code Geass.

Saying they have zero personality is simply wrong, though, unless you don't understand what personality means. Subdued, sure, but you don't have to be a hyperactive half monkey to have personality. Mikasa's list of potential personality disorders alone dwarfs the personality traits of some other characters on that list. You might not like that personality type, though. I personally prefer subtle characters and am normally the one wanting to strangle the annoying, hyperactive character who everyone claims has "personality".
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>>100895810
One-sided devotion to a faggot is cringe-worthy, there is nothing admirable about it.
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>>100895924

Actually, that could just make it more admirable.That just makes it even more selfless and more easy to admire. And I'm not sure if you're talking about Saber or Mikasa, but it's hardly one sided devotion here, considering the male party in both cases does things for them. One basically has a boner for sacrificing himself and although Eren is a faggot, the reality is that he's saved Mikasa's life more times than she has saved his.

Unless you're speaking romantically, but I wasn't.
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>>100896023
It's pathetic as fuck not admirable at all.
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>>100894294
>Mirai is sixth place
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>>100896062

Devotion to your family/savior/duty is always an admirable trait.
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>>100895810
Comitment is more important than individuality.
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>>100896176
Sensitivity is more important than truth.
Feelings are more important than facts.
Children are more important than people.

That's a feminine society for you, the one that "devotion is admirable" anon preaches.
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>>100896298

Completely wrong. Devotion being admirable and the 3 you listed aren't related. Concepts of devotion being admirable stem from much more masculine times from serving for your country or lord, in times of war or peace. That's what knighthood boiled down to. Well before feminism or a feminine society.
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>>100894829
Fuck you faggot I'll fight you
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>>100894909
Maybe you should start and see for yourself
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>>100896446
That is no excuse to be a tool because muh debt.
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>>100894829
Fuck you, Touko and Rider are beautiful.
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>>100896446
And I listed 4.
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>>100896459
Look how puffy it is, muh dick.
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>>100894726

Why are you surprised?
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>>100896611
picked the fuck up
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>>100896503

This is starting to sound like some personal problem, anon.

Saber doesn't have any debt that I recall. She serves because she is an actual knight, values duty, grows to admire him and it serves her purpose as well because of what she wants the grail. Mikasa does have a debt to Eren, but she's hardly a tool. Eren tells her to stop it. She does it because she wants to do it and values him as the last of her family (or more than that). She protects him because she wants to, not because Eren makes her feel like she is in his debt or is a tool. The opposite, actually. Most of the time, Mikasa picks him up and drags him around like a sack of potatoes. The tool is Eren more than her, in that situation. Eren is dedicated to protecting her and Armin in his own way as well. Because they're friends, doesn't mean he's a tool. Shirou, in his own way, is arguably more dedicated than Saber. He's psychologically wired to sacrifice himself for pretty much anyone. Doesn't necessarily make him a tool either. Not everyone wants to be completely self serving.
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Maybe a dumb question but is there a blog or something I can follow where someone posts all the interesting stuff in new newtype issues?
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>>100894829

I love you.
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>>100894294
>Lelouch x Saber
>Arararagi x Mikasa
I'd watch
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>>100896752
Don't know about Saber but Mikasa is a tool. Choices product of rationalization are admirable not muh debt, muh comitment, muh devotion (especially this one), you are the one personal here with muh knights.
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>>100894829

This! Type-Moon has literally the shittiest character designs it's basically babies first cg art
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>>100896298
>Sensitivity is more important than truth.
>Feelings are more important than facts.
>Children are more important than people.
>>Children are more important that people
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>>100896941

That's not what a tool is, though. If she were a tool, she would be in the MP because that's what Eren told her to do. Her choice was to stay and protect him because he's her last remaining family (and she potentially sees him as more than that), her friend, and because Eren is basically a ball of rage who would get himself killed, to her mind. Which he does almost immediately after being separated from her, from memory, since I haven't watched the anime (and have no intention of doing so), but read the manga, and that was awhile ago. Superpowers change that, of course. But was her rational choice. She's returned the debt by saving his life as well by now. Eren doesn't see any debt and actually finds it annoying. She's there because she wants to be, not because she needs to be. That is admirable.

Using "muh" for every word isn't helping you sound intelligent, by the way. And that's nothing personal, that's just a preference. I was referring to how you're starting to project a little bit and moving this into some borderline off topic discussion about feminine society/feminism that I don't care about and really belongs on /pol/.
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>>100897127
I don't get you, you think I agree?
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KIRA STRONK
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>>100897178
I don't get you either. Maybe you should proofread your posts before submitting them.
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>>100894294
>self insert otaku pandering gary stu fag vampire
>on top spot
Why am I not surprise?
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>>100897163
Comitment is more important than individuality? Because muh knights? Clinging is good when you do it out of your own will?
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>>100897237
I was making some statements about a mind set dude, I am busy, don't bother with that!
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>>100894654

I don't really see the appeal of Lacus either
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>>100894294
wow Magi seems pretty popular on Japan, wonder why it's not well-known much on West
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>>100897303
I have no fucking idea what you're trying to say.
>I am busy
Then you shouldn't be on 4chan if you have something (better) to do.
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>>100897396
Busy with the other guy, not with your lame ass you nobody!
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>>100897440
>you nobody!
We're on an anonymous image board. I'm being trolled aren't I.
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>>100897535
I am an important anon.
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>>100897265

Commitment (double M, anon. Seriously, I hate picking on minor grammar and spelling mistakes, but 4chan has a built in spellchecker now for crying out loud) does not come at the cost of individuality. What are talking about? I'm guessing you're talking about Mikasa, since it seems you're focusing on her and not Saber. But she's an individual. Almost too much so. She barely listens to anyone. She ignores orders from her superiors the majority of the time, and almost every time Eren asks her to do something, she does the exact opposite.

Most people in their lives have been committed to something in their lives. This might come as a shock, but you don't suddenly vanish as an individual. Since you seem insistent on bringing up the knight example, many of them had their own lands and far more individual power and personality than the average person in those times. Most of them became famous. But you're taking my love for knights way too seriously, considering I at least was talking about fictional characters and what I find admirable. I'm not letting this get dragged into some /pol/ discussion. If that's what you want, look elsewhere.
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>>100896752

I'm the only one who doesn't give a shit about Saber's relationship with Shirou on a romantic sense? I like her as character. This won me over:

>It felt like watching a festival from a distance.
>In the distance are the brave sounds of the Calvary.
>The roars of the knights are far away are there is no one around the stone.

>What did the girl think before that?
>Before she realized it, an unknown magus was standing behind her.

>"You should think this through before you grab that."

>He says he is not trying to frighten her, but that she should stop.

>"You will not be human once you take hold of the sword."

>He also said that she would be resented by all humanity and die a miserable death.

>She could not have been without fear.
>Because the magus showed her.
>The end she would face if she took the sword.

>"-No."

>But that just made the girl more determined.
>She nodded firmly, even when she was shown her future.
>The magus asks her if she is really fine with that.

>"Many people were smiling. I do not believe it will be a mistake."

>She takes the sword.
>The magus turns his back.

>"A miracle has a price. In exchange, you will lose the thing most important to you."

>And leaves those prophetic words.

>That's right.
>The girl only wanted to protect everyone.
>But to do so, she had to throw away the emotion of 'wanting to protect people'.
>...Because one cannot protect a country as king if one has human emotions.

>She accepted it and pulled out the sword.
>She accepted it and swore to live as the king.
>So her heart would not change even if she was abandoned, feared, or betrayed.
>She threw away her heart.
>The young girl decided to protect in exchange for it.

>Who would ever know of such a sublime oath?
>She chose to fight.
>No matter what.
>She still choose to fight.
>Even if there was inevitable solitary ruin waiting at the end.
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>>100895413
Trade that guy with a pile of shit, and it would make the show 100x better.
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>>100894294

Taco's there huh
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>>100897715

No you're not. I can't speak for that other anon trying to bring up feminine society arguments in a discussion about admirable traits in fictional characters, but I said I wasn't talking about the potential romantic aspect in their respective relationships.
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>>100897776

Oh good, I always liked Saber chose her duty as king over Shirou and Shirou respected that. Only after her duty was over in that Last Episode added on, she could meet him again.
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>>100895413
If you replaced him with a male Real Doll and removed all his dialogue but changed nothing else, the show would be amazing.
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>>100894654
Mikasa is perfect waifu for betas. Strong, 100% faithful, not yandere tier crazy yet.
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>>100897926

I can't claim to understand them, but I don't think someone who never listens to them and throws them against a wall or hurts them in some way if they get out of hand is what most betas would want.
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>>100897680
Admirable is a step ahead of good and is subjective on many levels, while you shout "always".

From what I got on my time on SNK, Mikasa acts out of feelings instead of reason, admirable is a word I would not use.

And my phone corrects in my first language. 4chan lends me no help.

Muh knights, by the way.
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They are there because popularity. It's like saying that Luffy gets votes because of his ideals and care for nakamas and not just for being the MC of the most popular manga.
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How many polls in a row has a character voiced by Hiroshi Kamiya been in top 5?
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>>100898019
>Admirable is a step ahead of good

Maybe as you define it, but that's not what it is generally defined as.
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>>100894654
Feel free to talk shit about Lacus and Mikasa, but at least Saber isn't an author's self-insert that rules the world with an iron fist preaching about peace and tolerance while her beamspam boyfriend eliminates every obstacle in her way.
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>>100898106
I think in all polls since a year ago or so. Some months ago Levi was 1st and Araragi was 2nd.
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>>100898108
Aprobbation then.
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>>100898188
Double p, one less b.
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>>100894294
Can someone explain to me how characters from the shittiest Gundam series ever made is still so highly ranked by Japan? It's just fucking mind-boggling.
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>>100898019

I shouted always? Since when? And I'm not sure if you understand what some of the words you are using mean. If English isn't your first language as you claim, that might help explain it. But please tell me where I shouting always. Or have we downgraded from "muh" to presumptions or shoving words into my mouth?

She acts out of both. Again, just as with the extreme of assuming any form of commitment robs one of individuality and being unable to have one without the other is wrong, you can also act out of both feelings and reason. And having any sort of feelings for a friend, a family or a potential romantic interest is not a good thing in your view? Ever? Seriously? That's what you're saying?

And I could say "muh freedoms" since that's basically what you keep repeating, but that's stupid. Stop that, you just sound like an idiot when you do it. And I think you're confused and making grossly inaccurate presumptions. Maybe I was unclear. I like knights because I find them to be interest fictional characters. Just as some people like tsunderes, yanderes, etc. I've humoured it, but I'm not really interested in discussing actual knighthoods anymore than I'm interested in your strange out of place rant about feminine society. Or really anything 3DPD related.
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>>100898389
>Hating on your lord and savior
Its newtype magazine, that should be hint enough.
Also Nippon loved SEED and there is the remaster currently ongoing
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>>100898389
Because it's popular and that's likely why you also think it's the "shittiest" gundam.
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>>100898389
>Can someone explain to me how characters from the shittiest Gundam series ever made is still so highly ranked by Japan?
SEED financially saved the Gundam franchise and Kira and Lacus are literally self-insert characters. Japan loves that Soap Opera-tier drama too. I just hope you don't hate Sei too.
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>>100898416
>>100896172

And you can't "muh" me because I am not going peacock wording splashing "admirable" or other adjetives on my definitions.

You say that Mikasa is admirable and I tell you that admirable is a step ahead of approbation.
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>>100894294
Literally shit taste everywhere except for Lelouch.
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>>100898547
>Nippon loved SEED
You know, I'm a moonspeaker and I've never seen a single Nip admitting to liking SEED online. Maybe it's because I don't hang around teenage landwhales and fujoshits, but from I've seen it's pretty much loathed.
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>>100898758
Put a ccccccc on adjectives.
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>>100898777

There's quite a bit of hate for SEED in various online communities, especially if you look at Gundam dedicated ones.

And yet it still had crazy sales and really high tv ratings.
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>>100898906
everyone loves a mary sue right ... right?! .... god damn it agree with me ... ok, so we can each have one mary sue we like then
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>>100898758

Ah, I see. Sorry for the confusion, but that was a different anon. Not that you will believe me, it seems. But there's more than one replying to you and not all of them are me. Although I personally agree with him. I do find it admirable. What of it? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say at this point. You ignored most of my post to reply to a certain point that seems largely irrelevant. Basically, you don't agree with someone's personal preference on what they enjoy in fictional characters and wanted to vent about it?
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>>100894294
>no Kill La Kill anywhere
Wow. Nice lack of taste Japanese fans!
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>>100899030
They actually do a pretty good job at that.
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>>100899030

>no Kill La Kill anywhere
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>>100898777
>Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED 58,589
>Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED DESTINY 68,735
they clearly don't like it
don't even try blaming fujos
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>>100899030
Kill la Kill is very disappointing, It looked promising at the beginning but the animation just went to shit and it just became a show with generic plot and whacky characters and setting, its better than average.
It's a shame I was really hyped for it but I just find it boring now, hopefully the 2nd part shit might get interesting
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>>100899235

The animation really, really went downhill. I'm actually shocked at how bad it's become, since it was fairly promising early on.
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>>100898906
True, though I recall the ratings were particularly high among teenagers, both male and female. Most of them probably realized it's a piece of shit when they grew up.
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>>100898996
No, I just don't like using subjective parameters as standards for general consensus.
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>>100895413
If you replaced him with a cardboard cut-out I woudn't notice the difference.
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>>100899030
What? It's on the series list.
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>>100899353

But that's how the conversation started, with some anon making arguments about zero personality and it being pathetic. Because they said so, apparently. You can't have it both ways. People are going to make statements about their opinions here on 4chan all the time. You can't seriously be that new.

And this has gotten confusing with various anons and I'm not sure which is which, but are you the one at the start? Who tried to turn an opinion on admirable traits in fictional characters into a conversation about feminine society and other tangents? The hell was that about. It was a little creepy and kind of weird.
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>>100899235
But the best animated episodes are 11, 12 and 15 and they just happened.
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>>100894780
>Code Geass wouldn't be the same without him. See Akito.

Akito is alright though, just different to begin with. And it does have "Lelouch" in a secondary role.
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>>100899585
>10 seconds of decent animation in a few episode makes up for moving cardboard cutouts the rest of the series
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>>100899681
No, episodes 11-12 and 15 had a lot of animation. I don't think they make up for episodes like 2, 4 and 13 being basically Flash animation, but the animation didn't get worse.
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>>100899580
No, I never stated the zero personality thing.

However:

Mikasa is on the list because she is admirable is a subjective parameter.

Mikasa is on the list because she is the female MC of a work that boomed thanks to it's anime adaptation and now enjoy sales second only to One Piece is closer to the truth.
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>>100899672

But he's not interesting at all in Akito so far. Seriously, if it wasn't for the fact that it was Lelouch, would you even care about that character? He just has name value in Akito so far. As it stands now, his scenes seemed almost forced or out of place, even.
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>>100899733

Actually, that's just your assumption. You have no empirical evidence to back that claim up, if you're going to be that picky. Again, you can't have it both ways.

And it's hard to follow this conversation, but where was that said? All I saw was someone say he liked the character and said devotion was an admirable trait.
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>>100899731

Sometimes they really pull of the bad animation, like episode 4 and episode 14, but with episodes like 15, it feels like they just can't keep on playing it without the show suffering a lot.

Though, from the preview next episode looks pretty good on the animation side.
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>>100899731
Did you even watch episode 15?
There was static movement every fucking where
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>>100899847
I do not assume popularity.

You stated that Mikasa is admirable?
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>>100899895
Episode 15 showed that they're prefectly willing to correct their mistakes; the CG models were lightyears ahead of the lowpoly shit from episode 3.
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>>100899937

No, but you assumed that this was the reason. That's "closer to the truth" only by your own assumption.

So you are trying to have it both ways here. It doesn't work that way.

I'm not the original anon, although I do find her to be an admirable character. It was said devotion was admirable, not necessarily Mikasa.
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>>100899932
There is no anime episode that doesn't have static movement everywhere. That's impossible to achieve with anime budget. It still had a lot of animation and even a properly choreographed fight before they turned it into "2FAST4UREYES" stuff.
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>>100900094
>Thinking I meant it literally
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>>100900037
They were talking about Mikasa and Saber.

If you are not the one I'm replying why make me lose time? We say "not that guy but" for a reason. Your views on the subjective adjective are not the same as the other person so why taking it's place and make enter in a useless discussion with someone I'm not interested?
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Would people like Misaka if she wasn't dedicated to a male character and thus wasn't ultimately closer to a perfect waifu character than to an actual character?
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>>100900193

Because your argument is hypocritical, for one. And I've been here for awhile, even if the original anon left, so I think you've been replying to me for awhile now. I think you're confusing opinion and statement. Worse, you then go on to state your own opinion as truth with no evidence to back it up.
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This is fucking pathetic. Even a 100% fujoshi magazing have a better ranking.
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>>100900193

Actually, we were talking about devotion/dedication being a likeable and admirable trait. It wasn't about the characters themselves being likeable/admirable per say.

There is a difference.
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>>100894294
>Takao 3rd
>Saber still there

Nicely done, Japan.
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>>100900313
The character is popular and sales on the show she is in are second to one piece is not an opinion.

Mikasa is popular because she is admirable is an opinion.

And the thing that matters to me is the original post, not being in a discussion with you the longest thinking it was other guy. You nosy dude.
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>>100900304

The "perfect waifu character" is very subjective. I like Mikasa, but I don't consider her a perfect waifu character at all. She's somewhat insane, rarely listens to Eren and regularly drags him around or beats him up if he misbehaves in her eyes, despite her devotion, which isn't for everyone.

That's certainly not what I call a perfect waifu type.
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>>100900485
But all of the fuss was over Mikasa and Saber, that discussion about if "this is good or not" is totally irrelevant.
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>>100900532
She a half-way-there-yandere; that's a waifu archetype. She definitely wouldn't be as popular if her entire life wasn't dedicated to serving the male protagonist.
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>>100900503

But you stated yourself (I think) you were not the one who made the zero personality claim or that it was pathetic. The first was inaccurate based on the definition of personality or subjective anyway. The second was a statement made to be fact, just as you are claiming now. It's subjective as well. So if you're not that anon, why are YOU intruding? Most of this after that was me, I believe. You're either complaining about something you did in the beginning, or aren't the original anon in that side of the discussion, in which case, by your own logic, you're intruding.

Mikasa is popular because she is admirable is an opinion, yes. I said that. Why are you on about this? And you conveniently ignored the point. Or are trying to forget your own post. You claimed that said popularity was closer to the truth. Unless you are simply being a hypocrite, you have to back that up. You assuming her popularity is because of the anime popularity is no different than someone assuming her popularity is because she is admirable.

You can't have it both ways here, anon.
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>>100900585

No it wasn't. The fuss was about devotion to family or friends or a cause being admirable. The fuss came about when it turned into a conversation about feminism traits in society and knighthood individuality. Not really the characters. That was just about an opinion. I don't get where this anon keeps going on about subjectivity gets it. I think he's confused.
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>>100900613

I don't know where that's an archetype. And she doesn't serve him. She protects him against his will. Which is the point I was trying to make. She annoys him, doesn't listen to him, and even hurts him if needed. This is hardly what I would consider ideal. But it would be for some. Just as almost anything could be for some. It's pretty subjective.
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>>100900837
The manga sales and general skyrocketted after the anime, numbers talk. Popularity comes with fame.

I actually waited for those two to conclude, not entered in mid-discussion.
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>>100900938
If the point of the discussion is why x character is there, why discuss about x traits in a different clausule? It's irrelevant.
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>>100901023

Your logic falls flat. That's still as much an assumption as assuming her popularity comes from being admirable. And I still don't know where you got that being stated as anything other than a subjective opinion.

But it hasn't concluded. Where is this original post? I see nothing about it being fact, just an opinion on what characters traits they like and find admirable.
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>>100901023

By your own logic, Luffy and Nami should be one. Levi or Eren should also be up there.
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>>100894294
Based kaiki on 5th position
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JESUS STRONK
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>>100901090

I was the original anon who replied. And the post was about why people liked those characters. And find certain traits, ie devotion to be likeable.

It wasn't really about their placement, but I guess it's still relevant.

I don't get how

> I just like seeing it

is anything other than subjective.
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>>100900983
>She protects him against his will. Which is the point I was trying to make. She annoys him, doesn't listen to him, and even hurts him if needed. This is hardly what I would consider ideal.
That's the yandere. Didn't you watch Mirai Nikki? A yandere is willing to kill her object of protection for his own sake.
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>>100901528

I read the manga. I don't really watch anime unless it's an original. It's always just an inferior butchering of the source material, for the most part. Manga is 99% always superior, but I assume they were similar.

They're not quite the same. Mikasa would never kill Eren, from what I understand. Yuno would also never kill him. Yes, the ending. But that only happened because of weird time travel nonsense and because they were both going to die anyway and doing so would mean she could be with him in another world, rather than them both die and never be together. It's kind of a strange argument either way, I admit, but it's not really the same.

Yuno ties him up once, but for the most part listens to him when he tells her to do something and won't actually hurt him. Mikasa never listens to Eren and regularly drags him around or beats the crap out of him. Unless you're kind of an M, I certainly wouldn't consider that ideal. Many would be creeped out by Yuno being a stalker, too, for that matter.
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>>100901163
The location of the poll comes in play too, also if it is about anime or manga. Place the poll on WSJ and Luffy will be there.

>>100901126

My guess comes from a non subjective source, your view comes from the perception of others perception.

>>100901341

It's 10:18 in my zone man, I stopped serving breakfast at 10.
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wtf is this list
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>>100901775
>I don't really watch anime unless it's an original.
I really hope you're not one of those people that bitch and moan about anime being shit in every thread, and that in was so much better in another time.
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>>100902204

It wasn't my view. It wasn't really anybody's view. It was an opinion you for some reason are arguing to be a statement. I was asking where you are getting this idea that people are claiming it as anything other than subjective. All I see is a subjective opinion on why they like the character. I don't know what the breakfast serving comment means, but >>100901341

just said they like seeing that trait. Again, I ask, what are you on about?

You understand you are backpedaling now?. You now claim it's a guess. You said it was truth. Can't get out of this that easily. The non subjective source doesn't change that. Again, a guess is just as bad.
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>>100902271

It's not that I hate anime, I just don't like anime adaptions. I try to watch as much anime as I can, but mostly just anime originals.

Having said that, while I am not one to complain, I also think it's fair to say there seems to be less and less anime originals and more and more adaptions as time goes on. Therefore, I do find myself watching less and less anime. I just prefer manga.
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>>100902561
I said closer to the truth, I am actually aware of what subjective means. My use of "guess" is not farfetched.

What is the issue here: why is Misaka on top.

What you say? Because she is admirable and people find her admirable. Admirable is subjective and you are using it then use it as a base to say that her place there is because other people find her admirable, which is a bigger leap.

I say she is there due to the boom in popularity of the show, which is based on a fact.

You want my replies even though I told you I'm not interested in you, you crave for my replies, my replies are everything to you.
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>>100902865

Closer to the truth still indicates you assume it to be true or assume it is closer, which is still an assumption. And without any form of evidence, is still just as bad. Again, it doesn't work like that. A guess and something that is "closer to the truth" is not the same.

Where have I said that? Where has the original anon said that? >>100901341

This seems pretty subjective to me.

You did claim it was closer to the truth. Having an assumption based on a fact doesn't make something closer to the truth, you know. You claiming that is a bigger leap is again, just an assumption. Just as assuming she could be there due to having a has a scarf is based on a fact is any closer to the truth.

I'm not that interested in your replies. I'm interested in this ghost you seem to be arguing with and why you insist on claiming it was anything other than subjective. The original anon was even confused. You seem to be fixated on this and replying to someone who doesn't seem to exist. If you're not interested, why did you reply?
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>>100894936
look at the newfag ignorant and laugh.
check out Animage and Animedia rankings before spouting such uninformed opinions, anon.
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Isn't this like in videogames?
You know, companies pay the magazine and shit.
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>>100903767
I told you I know what subjective means and I know that truth is a sloppy word, yet I am using the correct methods to get near it and fame comes in hand with popularity. Hence I am not using " she has a red scarf" as a fact to hold onto. You try to put me at your level with "this guess is as good as this" when the basis are completely different.

You are not the person I wanted to reply but for some reason you want to stay on the discussion. You say I discuss with a ghost yet bother to keep replying instead of saying "okay I'm not the one, bye."
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>>100904084

It's not a review system, it's based on reader votes.
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>>100894294
>Kaiki
YES DA
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>Hanekawa above any other monogatari girls
Explain this travesty.
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>>100899751

He's just been introduced, correct, but his attitude as far as we've shown is definitely as expected for Lelouch. I don't see it as out of place considering it's standard progression to introduce a new "bad guy" at this point, who along with Suzaku will cause a lot of havok for Akito and company next time.
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>>100900449
I'd rather call Animage a magazine for little girls (magical girls characters, who votes for those?). If it was a fujoshi mag you would see no female characters anywhere in the poll.
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>>100904192

Who is the person you wanted to reply to, then? You claimed it was the original anon. He replied. His post was subjective. You claim otherwise. And continue to do so despite this.

The original anon did reply You are not the one he replied to originally, yet you replied because you wanted to tell him he wasn't being subjective, apparently, yet he replied and said he was. You continue to make assumptions otherwise. Just as you replied to him, despite not being the person he replied to, I am replying to you. It's not difficult to understand.

Despite your assumption (yet again as a statement and incorrectly) that I crave your replies, I'm not interested in your ego, I'm asking you to back up this claim, just as the original anon asked why you assumed it was anything other than subjective.

No. That's the thing. You're not using the correct methods. You're assuming you're using the correct methods and claiming one is better than the other because you assume so. It doesn't work like that. The basis is the same, because you have no evidence otherwise. By that logic, Eren and Levi would also be there. They have been before, even. So have characters from One Piece, by the way. That has no basis. It's just as bad an assumption as the one you are calling out the original anon (and incorrectly) for.
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>>100894294
how could any choose that pedo over kaiki
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>>100904645
It seems like an anime poll, One Piece anime is not doing good.

Levi and Eren have a lot of competition, doubt they could surpass Kirito. Males have different parameters than females.

My discussion with original guy is not your business so don't be nosy.
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>>100904911
>My discussion with original guy is not your business so don't be nosy.
Jesus, stop fucking posting.
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>>100905032
You stop posting mr. No one called for you.
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>>100904911

It was in the top 10 2 months ago during Trafalgar Law's big moment last arc. He goes in and out. Law was top 10 around that time too.

So do the females. And Levi is very popular at the moment. I would say moreso. You are aware newtype has been shown to be pretty balanced in terms of gender votes, right? In fact, it's often slightly in favor of females in terms of voting numbers.

Right. So by your own logic, why did you reply to the original conversation between those 2 anons? You are being nosy. And before you claim their conversation ended, which is nonsense, so did yours. Either way, your argument here doesn't hold up without hypocrisy, again, I'm afraid. That is how message boards work. You are not a special snowflake. If you reply to someone and were not the original person they are replying to, and claim they are speaking bullshit. Fine. (which he replied to and so did I, because what you claimed didn't make sense and you are not showing it, either, but that's not the point). But then in turn if someone replies to you and calls you out on something you said that was nonsense, you can't use the juvenile excuse of them being "nosy". That is exactly what you just did. You called someone out. They were even accountable for it and replied. You are just making excuses.

That is our discussion anyway. Backpedal again if you must. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of your statement and how your claim he wasn't being subjective was wrong and where it showed otherwise. As he also did.
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>Himeragi made top 10
Hopefully this means good things for sales
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>>100905443
Law is a special character even among the OP fanbase.

The discussion ended because one party got no more arguments about it, and I continued. True, I am subject to replies but you forget it is up to me if I want to talk to them or not, same if they want to talk with me or not. I won't keep arguing.

He was being subjective? Who? The admirable or the zero personality?
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>>100894598
>Araragi
>Gunzo fro Arperggio
>Akki from Kanata
>Ichika from Is
Japan sure loves their self inserts.
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>>100905785
>He was being subjective? Who? The admirable or the zero personality?
Both of them were being subjective.

>>100905843
>Gunzo
>self insert
Last time I checked Gunzo was a competent guy.
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>>100905843
I wish they would self-insert into less shitty characters.
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>>100905951
I place "I like seeing her" as a product of popularity & fame. There are many characters that are pleasant to see but nowhere near as popular, I put the fame as the defining factor.
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>>100905785

Not necessarily. Other One Piece characters have been in there before. It really just depends on what is happening. The same with SnK characters. That's not really the original point, though, which was how it didn't make sense.

This is again, you making an assumption, for the record. You can't claim the discussion ended as a fact without being that anon. It's been pretty confusing and time isn't a good indicator. You intruded just as you could say I am. It's the same thing. I didn't forget at all. I just said it was a juvenile reason to say they are being nosy. This is a messageboard, not your personal chat. If you had simply not replied or at least said you had no more interest in discussing it, fine. But claiming they are being nosy after you essentially did the same thing is something many would see as something else.

You could say they both were. People have opinions on a messageboard. One doesn't always have to type something like "in my opinion" after every sentence.

>>100906150

A misquote. He said he liked seeing it, referring to the personality trait of dedication. I still do wonder where you got this whole argument from, since it seems like even you do not know. And that's also an assumption on top of a misquote.
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>>100897723
Yeah Infinite Shit
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>>100906516
The funny thing here is that, in fact, the discussion stopped up to this point actually.

It is not my personal chat but it is my entire right to talk to whoever I want to, and I too play with that rule when it is against me.

I confused the last part. I do not care if they like the trait or not, I cared if it was the character.
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>>100905389
And I'm sure there are many calling for you, Anonymous.
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>>100907115
I don't like that image. Important anon for you.
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>>100907088

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here and not to nitpick, but how is it a fact that the discussion stopped if we are still discussing it now?

It isn't against you. 2 anons were having a discussion. You "butted in" and called one out on their supposed bullshit. I "butted in" and called you out on your supposed bullshit. You don't have to reply, but if you simply start using the "stop being nosy" excuse, you will get called a hypocrite. You could have simply not replied.

If you cared if it was the character, what were you even talking about to begin with? One anon said they didn't understand how anyone could like the character, another anon said they did like the character and listed reasons why they liked the character. This is his opinion. Then you claimed it wasn't subjective, despite it clearly being his opinion. I shared his opinion and also wanted to know why you think an opinion isn't subjective, among other questionable things said. Someone saying they like a character, that they think they are dedicated, among other things and that they find dedication to be an admirable trait seems fine to me. Apparently, it wasn't to you.
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>>100907777
No need to make an essay, the discussion is on not because the guy replied. It is because you and me are discussing about how much I wanted to discuss with other anon. The other party discussion is over.
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>>100907997

>the discussion is on not because the guy replied

Come again? The anon did reply. I replied. You might be discussing how much you wanted to discuss it with the other anon, but I am not. Nor are you, technically, because you just replied before discussing how you were confused about the last part since you misquoted him and how it is not your personal chat.

And if you wanted to discuss it with him, why didn't you reply when he came back and wondered about your claims, out of curiosity? You just misquoted him, which is why I wondered if you knew what you were talking about. I really think you are confused, considering your reply to his post makes no sense, but alas.
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>>100908294
Are you bumping? My posts are on sage, so I wonder why this thing is not on the bottom.

What more? The guy's gone and I have been here since 9 am.
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>>100908601
I did not misquoted him, but as I discussed what I had with the wrong person everything felt redundant even if different replies would ensue.
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>>100904443

Rikka was the first girl to win in ages. And next 4 spots are dudes.
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>>100908697

But you did. If I'm not mistaken, he said he just liked seeing it, referring to dedication. You said "he just liked seeing her" referring to Mikasa. That's a misquote. I, and others, said they found devotion to be admirable. Nobody, at all, claimed this was the reason why Mikasa was on top of this popularity contest. The discussion was mostly about the trait itself at that point. You claim this opinion wasn't subjective and that people were claiming this was the reason she was on top, among other things. I, and the original anon, just wanted to know what the hell you were talking about. But yes, that's what a misquote is.
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Just as Jesus is starting to slip a little, they either rebroadcast the series or make a remaster. Sunrise knows what they're doing.
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Did Akito bring Lelouch back? He was off it for a few months after being on almost every month since CG aired, I believe.
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>>100908926
Someone pondered why anyone would like Mikasa (because she was on top) and the admirable thing started. It does not matter now.
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>>100894294
I detect some superior taste there.
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>>100894598
>10 Ichika from Is
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>>100909104

It was Saber and Mikasa. And the admirable thing started because someone said they find that trait admirable. I still don't get how you leapt to the logic that this wasn't subjective and how this opinion somehow represented the entire view of everyone, which is what I wanted to know, but whatever. It really doesn't matter but I think you might be crazy.
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>>100894598

>8 Gahara

Is it really?
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>>100909039
Yes, Lelouch and Suzaku were in the second episode.
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>>100909614

I know. I just didn't think that would be enough to make them return. Or Lelouch, anyway. He was in for, what, 6 years? Then finally dropped out for a few months and now returns in glory. Pity it won't last long.

Amusing that he's more popular than the new series' main characters.
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>>100907521
>Important anon
Just put on a trip if you're so "important."
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>>100909713
Reaction time man, this may reach you in 2018 but for you I am Robin Williams.

>>100909538

They find admirable as admirable? It was devotion and they stated that it was the reason why she is liked hence why she was on top. I told them I don't buy devotion as the reason but popularity.
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>>100894654

You only hate Sabre because she defies your chauvinist paradigm of patriarchal authority.
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>>100910167

>They find admirable as admirable?

What? That doesn't make sense. Unless you are mistaken. I meant they find certain traits as admirable.

No. And there is another leap. He and I said we liked that trait. The key word was we. Check. His post even starts out with "I like...". Same with me. Nobody claimed they were speaking for everyone. Only you did. You are also claiming to speak for us by stating we are saying that is the reason she is liked when we were only speaking for ourselves. When you speak for others and incorrectly put words into their mouths, expect to be called out on bullshit. Nobody but you claimed that was the reason she was on top.
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>>100910180
Well, as a grill I don't like Saber because she's too damn bland.
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>>100910524
If you don't think that was the reason she is on top then I have no interest in it.
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>>100910625

Then why did you try to speak for us and say we did? It all comes back to "Why the hell are you on about?" Other than being potentially insane. You really were arguing with nobody or yourself then.
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>>100910728
Why did you replied to an inquiry on popularity with what you like about the character?
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>>100910778

That wasn't the inquiry exactly. It was wondering how someone could get attached to the characters and how it's hard to believe how someone could like 3 characters. This a question formed from an opinion, asking how. I replied how I can get attached to them and how I can link them to said question. There's nothing strange about that. One anon has an opinion as an individual why they don't understand how people can like a character because they personally don't. Another has an opinion as an individual why they personally do. Nothing that says this is anything more than an opinion, just like the question is an opinion.

How you went from that to believing this speaks for everyone is the strange thing here.
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>>100911133
The source came from Mikasa on top, if she was #10 it would not have make an impact. What good does it make if 1 person tells why he likes the character? It's just 1. He and I cared about masses, 1 opinion gives us nothing hence why I tried explaining it as fame & popularity, that explains mass attention. 1 opinión is useless information if you can't say for anyone else.
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>>100911532

No, it came from 3 characters. I get that you seem to only care about Mikasa, but that's not correct.

And you're pulling assumptions out of nowhere again. Please, stop speaking for other people. His question asked how someone could get attached, people answered. It wasn't just 1. There were several replies, you know. Not all of them the same. And what good does it make if one person tells us why he doesn't understand how a character can be liked? Same thing. It's just 1 and gives us nothing. Message boards have discussion and people have different opinions. Strange, I know. He never asked about their popularity exactly. He asked someone could get attached to them.

And again, you can claim one opinion is useless information, but that's all you and your argument is as well. You can try to explain it, but it's just useless information as well, certainly not something you can legitimately claim is "closer to the truth" because you have nothing but assumptions as well.
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>>100912028
Those occupy the 1,2 and 4th place. He pondered why they are liked, why they are so popular on a popularity poll. You reply "devotion is admirable", thank you for giving 0.001% of the answer. You are not trying to answer why they are popular, you just stated your opinión on the character. I do try to answer the question and my answer is acceptable, more than yours because you don't care to adress the situation in the first place.
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>>100912339

If all you wanted to do was reply to that question, then why didn't you just reply to that question. Why did you butt in on the conversation that was about personal tastes in admirable traits (that went off on a tangent about feminism and knighthoods) and make this crazy assumption about how some conversation that has obviously become about personal opinions is not subjective and being used for general consensus? I know it can be confusing, but it was pretty clear that's what it was about then. If all you cared about was the original question and your own assumptions on why you personally think they are popular, then just reply to that question, rather than intruding. It doesn't seem so difficult.
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>>100913545
Because the point of a discussion is to use your arguments against the arguments of others. I thought that the guy who replied had an argument about it and I wanted to discuss it, but it appears he did not read in context and just went on talking for himself while I was there thinking he was answering the "why popular" question.
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>>100913987

Answering why you personally like or dislike something in regards to a question about how can someone like or care for something is perfectly in context. People can only speak for themselves without empirical evidence. It's all one can do without making assumptions, even if it is small. You can have a discussion without arguing. The context of the question isn't entirely about why they are popular. It's how can anyone care about them or like them. That can mean an individual opinion as well.

And if you seriously thought the discussion was about an argument over why 3 characters in the poll were popular after various discussions on personal tastes from feminism to knighthood, the manga itself and other things, then I don't know what to say and how that could happen. I guess this isn't going anywhere.
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>>100910167
>Reaction time man
I have other shit to do than respond to an "important" anon.
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>>100914990
You sure do.

>>100914427

The question is in the same way as "how could you like KLK\One Piece\SNK\SAO" it preys on the popularity of the thing, hence why there are not "how could you like x thing no one cares about" threads. I read in context.
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>>100915454
I do, no need to be upset because in have something better to do other than respond to two random anonymous faggots on an anonymous image board.
Oh! Certainly there can't be something better to do than post on said board, now is there, "important" anon?
Certainly, you will respond to me again, but after that I won't, because there are other, more important, things to attend to.
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>>100915729
You sure do. Look, I have you in my finger.
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>>100904443
You seem to be under the impression that fujoshit hate female characters just because they prefer guys fucking each other.
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>>100915729
You were laughing and laughing but then he got you angry.
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>>100915454

No, the question is posed towards shows that aren't popular all the time. You are making another assumption. Again. I certainly see "how could you like Space Dandy/Nisekoi" questions. And I've seen it for plenty of unpopular anime, both presently airing and past. That question isn't limited to popular shows at all. It's asked about shows an individual does not like and is either shitposting, hating the show or genuinely wondering why people could like it. Its popularity is not always the main issue here. You are not that anon, correct? Therefore, you do not get to speak for him.
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>>100916132
Most of the time is someone that does not like it's popularity and ask why people like it without really caring about the answer, this is obviously the case the moment he spouted the "zero personality". I read it in context and just because there is a very small number of honest questions the rule stays the same as the exception is not the rule.
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>>100916393
>this is obviously the case the moment he spouted the "zero personality"

No. No, it isn't. This is you making an assumption and speaking for him as if you know precisely what he is asking and who he is again.

And if you really do think it was so "obvious" that he asked it without really caring about the answer, then why did you make such a big deal earlier about answering the question, even though what you assumed was the meaning of the question was not being directly discussed at the time you intervened, as it had gone off on something of a tangent? I don't mean to continue this, but one can't help but wonder.
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>>100916763
I messed up saying he cared about the answer because he does not. I do care hence why I was interested in a discussion when someone replied.

Yes, because this is about a popularity poll so I think that talking about popularity is not farfetched. He disliked the popularity of the characters, it's called reading in context, more if the characters in question held 1,2 an 4th place then if you add the classic "how could you like x" question on a popular character or show.
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>>100917009

An educated guess? An assumption based on past experiences with a high percentage chance of accuracy? Sure, but you have to be careful using extremes like obvious. You've even said there's a small number of honest questions. They might be an exception, but you are not that anon and cannot speak for him with 100% certainty. On the low chance it is one of those exceptions, then it wasn't really obvious, was it? Very likely, perhaps.
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>>100917792
It was, I am spot-on and you know it.
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>>100918038

No, I don't. I fear you're assuming again, but keep thinking otherwise if you want. It leads to amusement where I genuinely wonder if you are insane and how you arrived at point b from point a with very little to get there.
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>>100918347
It was an educated guess. It is: closer to the truth.

You don't want to say it because you don't want to agree.
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>>100918477

But I already said an educated guess works better.
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>>100904443
Aside from the Precure, it's all fujoshi series (Inazuma Elven, Kuroko no Basuke, SnK, Magi).
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>>100918666
And I have enough material to make it.
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>>100904323
Because she is an awesome character. I expect #1 after Kizu and Owari for awhile.
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Don't resist /a/.
Accept him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUzcjPpw7o
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Fucking Mikasa and Arafag blocking our saviours.
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When FSN anime airs, will Seiba and ACHAA dominate for a while ?
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>>100921905
Depends on the SEED movie release.
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>>100894294
>>100894598
1 Araragi
2 Jesus
3 Aladdin
4 Rurushu
5 Kaiki
6 Iori Sei
7 Eren
8 Gunzo from Arperggio
9 Akki from Kanata
10 Ichika from IS

Female

1 Mikasa
2 Lacus
3 Takao
4 Seiba
5 Char
6 Kuriyama from Kanata
7 Hanekawa
8 Gahara
9 Himegami fro Strike the Blood
10 Morgiana

You forget to translate the Series Rankings

1: Monogatari
2: Arpeggio
3: IS
4: Magi
5: Build Fighters
6: Kill la Kill
7: Valvrave
8: Outbreak Company
9: Kyousougiga
10: Madoka
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>>100922448
Glad to see nips enjoying Build Fighters
Was Valvrave really that popular?
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Anyone knows how the voting system work?
Do you vote online?
I'm curious to know if you have at least to buy the magazine to vote..
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>>100922448
>8 Gahara
what... it's Shinobu, isn't it?
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>>100909702

>Amusing that he's more popular than the new series' main characters.

Not that surprising though. It happens in similar situations all the time.



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