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Why didn't Natalia just jump out of the plane?
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Why didn't they just use an insecticide?
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Why didn't Natalia just carry around some bug spray?
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Can one shot from a bazooka actually blow up a big airplane?
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For reasons.
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i still wonder why didn't they just land the plane, broke the cockpit glass, got the girl out, then incinerated the airplane.
Gotta love forced drama
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Why didn't Tokiomi just walk behind Kirei?
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>>100890824
goddamn, just
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>>100890630
She would have died.

>>100890683
It hit the right spot.

>>100890804
>forced drama

Riiiight.
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>>100890981
>She would have died.

wat it's water
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>>100890981
Well she died anyway, they could have tried at least.
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>>100890824
If Kerry summoned EMIYA, would he have just betrayed Kerry?
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Because forced drama
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>>100891013
you dont seem to know how physics works anon.
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>>100891147
Kiritsugu would've won. EMIYA can beat Gilgamesh.
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>>100891013
Get a load of this retard. Go back to kindergarten.
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>>100891013
Very hard when you fall into it at that height
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>>100891147
No.
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>>100891206
Fly it lower then?
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Why didn't lancer just wear a mask?
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>>100891206
>Water
>Hard
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>>100891181
Saber can beat Gilgamesh too and Kiritsugu won, he just rejected the grail.
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>>100891206
You know, if she jumped right before the plane hit the water, would it have made any difference?
It's from a much lower height, after all.
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>>100890630
Probably could've if she was okay with New York getting overrun by zombie wasps.
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>>100891323
She would be ok with it if it meant her surviving.
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>>100891275
When it comes at you with enough speed yes

or when you fall into it from a good enough height.
>>100891222
She was unable to get to the cockpit so how could she?
>>100891293
>would it have made any difference?
I think it would
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>>100891323
They can destroy the plane after she jumps.
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>>100891275
We've been over this anon.

After a certain height falling onto concrete and water have the same result
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>>100891354
>She was unable to get to the cockpit
She was in the cockpit and flying it.
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Why didn't Kiritsugu lend Avalon to Maiya?
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>>100891354
>She was unable to get to the cockpit.
Confirmed for not even watching the anime.
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>>100891397
She was? I remember she was where all the baggage is

Unable to get out then because if she did she would get eaten by bees?
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>>100891293
thats not how velocity works.
standing and falling into the water from a low area,
is not the same as plunging at 300miles from that low area.
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>>100891275
At 100 m/s or so water kills you on impact. In fact That can already happen earlier, I remember a friend of my father died in a boatrace when i was young. His boat hit something and catapulted him high into the air, when he came back down he literally broke his neck from the impact.
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>>100890630
Because she'd have to open a door or window to do that, meaning the bugs would get out.
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You know, why didn't she just land the plane, break the cockpit window, jump out and then have Kiritsugu blow up the plane?
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Why didn't the Zeeks just paint their Zakus red so they can go three times faster?
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>>100891524
Because that lets the bugs out which is what they were hired to prevent?
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>>100891543
How could they get red paints when the paints are faster than them?
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>>100891520
She was in the cockpit where there were no bugs.
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>>100891503
the buzz word is called
surface tension
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I always thought my knowledge of physics was shit, but you guys are on a whole different level.
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>>100891462
She was trapped in the cockpit and couldn't leave because zombie bees.
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>>100891553
There were no bugs in the cockpit.
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>>100891553

She was in a sealed cockpit and over ocean.
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>>100891553
>Because that lets the bugs out which is what they were hired to prevent?

No not even
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>>100891524
Maybe the magius had contacts where he was landing that would want zombie bee apocalypse.
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>>100891553
>what they were hired to prevent
They were hired to kill the mage on board, and nothing else matters.
If shit got out of control in the city, the magic association would come to clean up, and nothing of value would be lost.
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>>100890630
Magic zombie vampires.

Extremely pandemic.
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>>100890824
>frodo
Why did this shitty /tv/ meme ever find its way to /a/?
Why can't people just call them questions when that's what they are? Why shoehorn Frodo into everything just because?

It's even sillier when the original Frodo question with the eagles is a profoundly stupid question.
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>>100891639
If they did, which is unlikely, they wouldn't know the situation the plane was it itself. They would be waiting to greet the mage on board.
Natalia didn't even tell the people at the airport that there were zombies on the plane, if I recall.
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>>100891664
People would've died which is why Kiritsugu chose to blow up the plane
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Was Kirei planning on dying a poetic death with that dagger from the beginning?
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Is Natalia polish?
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>>100891147
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She's a fucking magician isn't she? Surely she had someway?

Why didn't she just do a forced landing on water and have Kiritsugu blow up the plane after she got off?

Well whatever, Kiritsugu had to be bound by SUFFERING somehow...
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>>100891759
>EMIYA having daddy issues
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>>100891726
Kiritsugu values things much differently than people on the magic association or the business.
The anime changed it a bit, in the original novels, Natalia didn't know Kiritsugu was going to do it, wheres the anime implied she knew because of the smile at the end.
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>>100891747
Natalia was a succubus.
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>>100891771
I don't think we can apply logic to this scene too much in the first place.
What matters isn't how she's going to survive. Even if there is an alternative, he knows that it's shaky at best, and Shirley's death traumatized him to the point where he can't take the chance of having something like a zombie outbreak happening again.
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>>100891722
He could of had a back up plan like, "If I don't land, unleash zombie bee apocalypse."
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>>100891578
It's not surface tension you dumbass.
Soap Water is still hard.
It's just simple inertia and the fact that fluids are not compressible.
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>>100891771
>Why didn't she just do a forced landing on water
And let the zombie bees out?
It would have been a pandemic.
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>>100891965
It is surface tension. Soap water is softer actually because the soap forms incompatibility in the surface whereby decreasing surface tension.

>It's just simple inertia and the fact that fluids are not compressible.

Gas is also considered a fluid and it's compressible.
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>>100891181
Anyone can beat Gilgamesh, he's a fucking moron.
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>>100891020
Are you stupid? The whole point of the thing is that Natalia didn't want to die so she went for the option that granted her the most % of getting out alive. No matter the consequences.

Which is why she would have never tried to land on water, exit the plane or else.
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>>100892259
Bad translation, I meant liquids.
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>>100891425
It was a good occasion to get rid of the mindbroken servant whom, embarassely, you gave the dick, betraying your waifu.
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>>100890683
Nah. Heatseeking missiles go for the engines, even if it should ignite all the fuel in one wing it would still not blow up in a fireball.
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>>100891771
>Why didn't she just do a forced landing on water

Watch the anime, read the LN for fuck sake. These questions are stupid as they can be.
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I figured one decent-sized explosion would easily down a passenger plane. You guys are saying you need to hit the right spot with an anti-tank missile on a civilian vehicle?
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>>100892596
It would have destroy one of the wings, the tail or the cockpit. Even with a hole in the hull or one engine blown out, passenger planes can still fly for a while.
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>>100891425
For real, why didn't this happen?
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>>100892596
Stingers are made to take out small jets or choppers, not large civilian planes.
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>>100891425
Avalon doesn't do shit unless Saber is near
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>>100890630
To fuel his angst, obviously

Why do most female characters die? To be fodder for the male lead's suffering and RAGE
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>>100892500
Maiya was lovely though. Scarred perhaps, but lovely.
She would have supported Kiritsugu and Iri, assisted Illya, and kept at their service even if she were to be denied the D.

She should have gotten a peaceful life. And it's sad that she wasn't able to get another child, while in better times.

Maiya's death was pretty much the saddest thing in all of F/Z. Disregarding how the Einzberns took Illya hostage.
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>>100892684
ding ding ding

Then, again, Kiritsugu found Maiya with Saber
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>>100892695
This is Urobutchi here. Male characters are way more likely to die for female character development than vice versa.
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Just a real quick experiment, take a bucket of water and let it settle, now slap the water with the flat of your hand, you feel that sting? Now slap concrete, Feel the same sting?

Taa fucking daa
>People forgetting that people learn better by being hurt
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>>100892753
I don't remember 100% but I'm pretty sure Saber was already looking for Irisviel when Kiritsugu got there and even if she was there, Kerry didn't have time to extract Avalon then put it inside Maiya while Saber was waiting because every second was crucial, not the mention the shitstorm that would've happened if he just did it in her face without telling her jackshit
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Kerrytugu, for such a tormented character had an exceptionally simple and generic backstory. Even the execution of it lacked punch.
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So what is the maximum height someone can jump into water/sea and survive assuming they started at rest?
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>>100892695
feminists please.
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>>100891503
why does everyone on 4chan have a hard-on for using "Literally" and "obcetively" in every goddamn sentence? it would have made the same point without them. it's like people are trying to look smarter using them, but fail horribly.
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>>100893176
*"objectively/objective"
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>>100893006
The Golden Gate Bridge is 220ft high and 98% of all jumpers die, so I'd assume something below that. Then again, these people don't jump to survive the impact.
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>>100893176
He's using it correctly though.
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>>100893176
This paradoxical use of these words are oxymoronic and have didactic.
These people are not as Quixotic as I once thought, not like you though my Ennui friend.

Captcha: petty direchn
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>>100891275
>>Water
>>Hard
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>>100893242
IIRC Quite a few don't die right at the impact but die in the following minutes due to massive internal damage. I guess it depends on how you land.
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>>100893176
It's used for emphasis.
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>>100893307
That has do be a shitty way to go. You think that the fall will kill you instantly, but instead your large colon blows open from the water pressure upon impact and you slowly drown, which is among the most agonizing ways to die.
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Have you ever tried to jump from a plane?
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>>100893283
Oh I apologize for the false Verisimilitude of my last sentence I meant they have no didactic
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>>100893354
I watched some documentary about this particular stuff but I can't remember much... Anyway, I assume the impact would at least knock you out so there can't be that much pain.

It is indeed a shitty way to go. I if I had to jump like that I would go for concrete instead of water for maximum efficiency.
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>cockpit is sealed
>land plane
>cut hole in cockpit window, let waifu climb out
>incinerate the whole damn thing
Urobutcher pls
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>>100892684
It was still enough to regenerate a crushed heart, I don't see how it couldn't save Maiya.
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>>100893429
>risk millions of lives on a flimsy plan with 1000 ways that it can go wrong

Good going.
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>>100892122
>"Everybody don't go outside for an hour, there is bees that make you gay when they sting you"
>Send in pest control magi
Easy.
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Then or later, what difference? Kotominator would have killed her like the other women around Kiritsugu.
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Why didn't Archer project Rule Breaker to break his contract with Rin?
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>>100893500
He killed two. Let's not blow that out of proportion.
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>>100893484
What about the animals? What about the fish?

Shirley accidentally made one Zombie, and the entire town burned.
Do you want an entire town to burn for each rogue zombie?
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>>100892122
>land plane
>kill bees
What's the difference between being blown up in air or at sea level? It's not like bees are going to fall to death.
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>>100893543
I don't know anybody that lives by the sea.
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>>100893526
He probably would have if everything else went to shit.
But by the end of the day Archer still likes Rin, and did want to carry Rin through conflict.

And as things looked, he didn't need to break his contract with Rin. And when he did need to break his contract with Rin, he found a better master, being Medea.
And for all her flaws, Medea was probably the most proficient Master he could find.
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>>100893572
You missed the part where Natalia would have never tried to land on water so it's a useless discussion.
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>>100893429

>Character can move at 4 times speed
>Still can't grab waifu/mother and outrun bees
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>>100893676
I bet she would've if it was that or getting blown up.
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>>100893572
The bees has the Curse of Restoration, so they would be pretty tough to kill after the plane had landed.
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>>100893691
She would have tried to escape/avoid Kiritsugu before attempting a suicide land on water with a plane you don't even really know how to guide.

She valued her life first and foremost. She already wasn't sure that she was capable of making a normal landing on a runway. She would have NEVER tried to land on water just to saved other people.
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>>100893311
That's retarded.
It should be used for when what you're saying sounds exaggerated or like a metaphor.
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>>100893713
Then they would be pretty tough to kill before the plane had landed. Unless this curse only kicks in after plane lands.
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>>100893690
What part of "utilitarian" don't you get?
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>>100893756
Yes it is retarded, but that's what it is commonly used for.
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>>100893745
Yeah she values her life so much that she would choose to get blown up rather than try to land the plane. That's almost Urobutcher level logic.
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>>100893789
-1/10 for no reading comprehension
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>>100893760
How would bees survive out on the ocean?
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>>100893850
They fly to land.
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>>100894056
It's too far. They would die before they got all the way.
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>>100894136
They're magic bees.
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>>100894168
No. They're zombie bees.
They wouldn't make it.
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>>100890683
>>100892545
I thought that surface to air missiles do not always seek to directly hit the target, only to fly next to it for the fragmentation to destroy the target; aircraft is lightly armoured for necessity.
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Planes can float on water can't they?
That's how they evacuate in an emergency in those safety videos they show on the plane.
She can land on the water, swim to Kerry, then he can shoot the plane.

Wow that was hard
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>>100894216
How do you know for sure?
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>>100894236
I refuse to engage in more of this madness. Read the thread.
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>>100894247
They don't have that kind of stamina.
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>>100894324
Yes I read, she should've at least tried even if unsure of her ability.
If Kerry shoots the plane she has a 100% chance of dying. He can call her on the phone and tell her to at least try.
If she refuses to try, he can just kill her and the result would be the same.
If she tries, and fails, he will kill her, the result is the same.
If she tries and succeeds, then he saved her and killed the bees.
Nobody loses anything in the gamble.
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>>100893850
>How would bees survive out on the ocean?
Zombie fish.
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>>100894459
She didn't know he would shoot the plane for fucks sake.
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>>100894459
>Yes I read

No you did not.
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>>100894538
Yeah that's why I said he should've asked her to try.

He was on a phone conversation with her for many minutes
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>>100894519
They aren't that smart
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>>100891222
Its not an issue of height, it's a matter of Velocity. The higher your velocity the more resistant the surface tension. Either way you're dead. accounts tpsnat
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>>100890824
This fucking pasta, I love it.
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>>100891343
Honestly, I think that she knew he'd blow her up. I mean, that's what I took out of it.
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>>100893429
>the bees break through the door
>suddenly they flood everything
>they have to run now so they don't even get to blow it up
>hilarity ensues
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>>100892684
Why didn't Kiritsugu took Maiya to Saber really fast?
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>Sweet, a F/Z thread
>Why didn't...

i'm out
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>>100894587
You can fly upwards at the speed of gravity (9.8m/s), perpendicular to the the water.
Do this right above water level so the height is the lowest possible.
Jump out, should be able to survive fall damage, at worst you break your legs and then Kiritsugu drives over and picks you up.
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>>100893532
Kotomine or Kiritsugu himself, if you prefer?
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>>100894755
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Why didn't Kerry just get Berserker to hijack the plane and land it safely?
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>>100891425
Who?
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>>100893526
Because he wanted Rin to win.
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>>100893526
Because she's his wiafu from high school.
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Why is there so little info on what Kotomine and Gil did for those 10 years? All I know is he went back to Church hunting for a while.
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>>100894459
>>100894755
Kerry knows her well that she will never do those to risk her life and he don't want her to suspect him.
If she happen to suspect that he's trying to kill her then she will probably beg for her life and Kerry will not be able to force himself to kill her anymore.
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Kerry a shit
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>>100894220
Depends on the rocket, Stingers penetrate and then explode.
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>>100895667
Kirei pls go.
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>>100891425
Why did Julius had to die? ;_;
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But really, why didn't she just bring a parachute? Her mission is on a plane, so it makes sense to bring a back-up parachute.
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>>100895910
Because shitty forced drama.
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>>100895910
Fate characters become retarded when the plot requires it. See Gilgamesh or F/SN Caster.
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>>100895910
>But really, why didn't she just bring a parachute? Her mission is on a plane, so it makes sense to bring a back-up parachute.
The serious answer is that she wasn't allowed to open the plane in risk of letting the bees out.
It's why the section in the novels kept hammering down the risks of the bees getting out down your throat repeatedly.

You can talk down the bees all you want, but they were clearly considered to be a huge threat, and supposedly Kiritsugu figured that the bees would die in the explosion if he shot it down.
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>>100896528
But Natalia was in the cockpit, where the bees couldn't reach just yet. She could break open that, and it would be a bit before the bees got in there, right?
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>>100894755
Dude, I reckon you never really studied physics. 'Speed of gravity' is non-sense; if you could make an accurate description of it, you'd win a nobel prize.

>speed of gravity (9.8m/s)
Surely you are not talking about the approximate acceleration due to gravity which is 9.8m/s^2?

Also, you can't 'counter' your fall from the plane by jumping out of the goddamn plane for fucks sake. Set a conservation of energy equation and you'd know that the velocity required to 'jump cancel' the plunging plane velocity is pretty much the same as trying to jump towards the fucking sky. Stop studying physics from troll science posts.
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>>100896736
Like, through the windshield? Those things are built to withstand birds crashing into it at intense speeds.
They are bullet proof aren't they?
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>>100890683

>bazooka
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>>100896870
That scene with Iri and the homunculi really bothered me.
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>>100897088
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>>100897088
What're you a newfag? Shit's ripped straight from Eva.
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>>100896870
>why did rider kill waver

every time
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>>100891425
Because it was with Irisviel and she was kidnaped.
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>>100897504
She had already transferred it to Kiritsugu. At what other time could she have done it after she was kidnapped? Kiritsugu never saw her again.
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>>100891587
Are my eyes broken or is someone peeling a tomato?
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>>100897172

Ive seen this before somewhere...
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>>100897767
Filthy heretics.
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>>100894619
The anime made it look that way with the smile at the end, but he novels impressed that she never knew that he was gonna rocket the plane.
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>>100897972
Wow what a douche
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>>100895910

BECAUSE OF REASONS
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>>100896874
/k/ plz
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>>100900034
Not even him, but calling anything that's a shoulder fired missile a bazooka is gay.



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