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/a/ sucks on Fridays, so lets have a thread for people with taste.

Why is Shinobu so based?
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She is a miracle on this earth

not as based as Kaiki
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hachikuji is better
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>>100881266
I'm okay with this.

So, it goes:
Kaiki > Bat > Cat valid > opinions > _of_ > other > girls > Snake > Dark
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>people with taste.
>Shinobu
PFFFFFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>100881676
>someone hasn't read kizu
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Shinobu thread? Okay.
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>>100881453

Kaiki > Araragi > Meme > All Other Girls.
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Because Snake is better.
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>>100881922
Nice pic. This is my current wallpaper. Ordered my first PVC figure recently. Doughnut mountain Shinobu.
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I hate the Shaftgatari fanbase with a passion. Best girl this, best girl that. Can't you faggots talk about anything else. And inevitably, some faggot like >>100881453 will chime in to post his "objective" ranking.
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PEACE PEACE
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>>100882074
How does that even work as a wallpaper?
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>>100882292
Not everyone knows how to use wall papers.

This is now a snail thread.
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>>100882400
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>>100882087
Its kind of what the series lends itself toward. People are generally pretty accepting of each other's girl opinions unless you like snake, and every plot related discussion just degrades into:
>not understanding the plot while watching it
>asking questions
And "objective" greater than rankings are never truly serious, or at least I choose to believe that.
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>>100882400
Pretty well, actually.
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Everyone knows Hachikuji is best gril.
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>>100882400
>>100882573
I like snail a lot, and won't question anyone who calls her best girl, but Shinobu is better.
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>>100882400
>>100882457
>>100882538
I also like my phone to match.
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Not sure if shit render or bad vector.
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>>100882588
I do love me some snail, but the only part of her screen-time that I didn't care for was her goodbye scene. I felt that it was terribly out of character for Ragi. Other than that I'm a big fan.
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>>100882642
Eh, I'd say it's a decent vector. It's clean and the lines widths change enough to not feel stiff or unnatural.
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>>100882642
I use a Surface 2, so the edges don't really show up on the smaller screen. But the source image is >>100882074, so it seems alright to me as far as vectoring. I get all my girl pics from here and >>/c/
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>>100882741
Oh, wait. I didn't see the jagged edges. Yeah, the cut out isn't very good.
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>>100882400
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how would you react if you caught your nii-san bathing with a loli?
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>>100882989
Tell him to stop holding out on me.
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>>100882989
I don't like flat lolis, but I like Bat and Snail. Probably just leave them be while I went to pursue Cat.
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i want shinobu to take a bath with me
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I want to be friends with, hang out, and make dirty jokes with Kanbaru.
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>>100883217
When in the series does she start to play a major role? I just finished snail.
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>>100883289
she would be the best bro
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>>100883327
She has a major role before Bake, but that's only if you feel like reading the LN. She comes out of her shell in Nise.
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>>100883327
In release order?
A third of the way through Nise.

Chronologically?
She's pretty much the catalyst for the entire story.
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>>100883327
Nisemonogatari. There is a long bathroom scene with her and Ragi as a huge reconciliation of what happened in Kizu. After that shes one of the key characters.
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My range of character enjoyment in this show is pretty large. My favorite overall girl is Shinobu, but as a daugheru. The character I'm most attracted to is Titty-Titty-Bangbang. Kanbaru has my favorite personality. Crab is probably the hottest. Snail has my favorite sense of humor. If I had to pick a waifu though it would be Cat cause of MUH FEELS.
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Owarimonogatari summaries when?
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>>100883673
How do you daughteru a ~500 year old who acts her age?
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>>100883734
Because if she actually existed I would want to coddle her like a child and give her piggyback rides and pat her head while she eats donuts.
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>>100883794
Quick question: have you read Kizu or watched s2?
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Yes to both.
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>>100884006
I guess I just have a completely different view of her character than you do.
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>>100883332
How did /a/ react when that scene first came out by the way?

It was quite unexpected when I first saw it and it made me laugh.
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>>100884063
I kind of view Kissshot as a different entity because of how Shinobu referred to that part of her as suppressed. How did she word it? Something like: because she doesn't have her full power as an apparition she isn't driven to act like a full vampire. Hence her now friendly relationship with Ragi.
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>>100884006
How could you put someone multiple times older, wiser and stronger than you in a position lower than you? If anything, you should act as her son. I think she would be too proud to stoop to the level of someone's daughter, even if she is a shadow of her former self.
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>/a/ sucks on Fridays

Why is that?
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>>100884215
>How could you put someone multiple times older, wiser and stronger than you in a position lower than you?
I don't know let's ask Araragi.
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>>100884215
>dat lounging around and playing a DS
>dat piggyback ride during the time travel shenanigans
>bashful reaction to the kiss

She may be 598 years old, but shes pretty new to being a not-full fledged vampire.
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>>100884095
I'm pretty sure they spent all their time complaining about how Shaft didn't animate the second half of that episode in the TV broadcast.

>>100884186
I view Shinobu and Kiss-Shot as the same entity, except she has a few different impulses that come from being a vampire/linked with Araragi. No matter the form, they all have the same memories and the same balance of wise and powerful, yet playful.
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>>100884186
I thought it was outright stated that Shinobu wasn't the same as Kissshot? Both in the show and in Kizu, if I remember correctly.
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>That feel when one more week for Shinobu Mail

And then it's only another 2 years to wait for it to get translated/adapted.
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>>100884262
Why would you ask that pervert Arararagi anything
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>>100884284
Some of that comes from Arararararagi's unconscious projection. Since he sees her as a young girl he expects her to act like one and she does because of the whole mind link thing.
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It's only natural to have a favorite (I'm a crabfag myself) but really all Monogataris are best Monogatari. They're all great.

We'll, except snake. She went from boring but largely inoffensive in Bake to being a downright unlikeable cunt.
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>>100884314
They are the same person? Shinobu is the weakened state of Kissshot-Acerolaorion-Heartunderblade that resulted from the events in Kizu. She is technically a "shadow" of Kisss as Meme put it, but a shadow is still a part of, and Gaen stated multiple times that Meme wasn't the smartest of the college kids' group.
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>>100884479
This this this this this.

They all have their pros and cons. Snake a shit, but she is now largely in the position for a redemption now that we know what she's been suppressing for all these years.
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>>100884262
He hardly treats her as his daughter, he just has a habit of indulging her newly developed childish whims.
>>100884284
That's because he thinks she should be acting in a way appropriate to how she looks. Not what I would directly consider fatherly doting anyway though.
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>>100884314
It was outright stated that she is pretty heavily influenced by Araragi. Other than that, they're the same. A lot of these differences get overblown in dialogue. For example, in the time travel arc Shinobu was worrying about betraying Araragi if she reverted to Kiss-Shot, but when they met alternate Kiss-Shot, she was completely on Araragi's side.
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>>100884499
A shadow seems an appropriate analogy. A shadow is part of its creator, but it is not the exact same. Shinobu is not Kissshot, but rather what's left of her. At least, that was my interpretation of it.
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>>100884630
I didn't see your post when I posted >>100884596

I guess what you're saying make a sense. Araragi obviously has a big influence on her now.
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>>100884713
How the fuck did I get the quotes backwards goddammit.
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>>100884596
Speaking of influence, dat moment when Ragi told Doll to refer to Bat as "Apparition Slayer". Fucking coolest moment in the show, that I can think of right now. Its fucking full of great moments.
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>>100884186
The characters more or less pretend Kissshot is a different person, however the emphasis is on "pretend." Shinobu puts an act that her personality changes as a full vampire, because she can't be direct with Araragi about her feelings. (Such as the real reason alternate-Kissshot destroyed the world.) Araragi does it for more vague reasons, I think it's because he developed a crush of sorts on her during Kizu, and so pretends she's a different person so he can bury those feelings.

Hopefully the new novel will be the one that really exposes what's going on between the two. For better, ideally.
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>>100884809
You reminded me of a fun image I have.
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>>100884859
Ah, I can see that. That is why they're kind of heterosexual life partners of sorts, except opposite sexes. The whole bit with the fireworks and yukatas in the doomed timeline seemed like they were both far closer emotionally than they were letting on.
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Random question loosely pertaining to Shinobu. Does anyone know who is supposed to be represented by the thing in the red circle? All of the major characters seem to have symbols for them in the pile, but I can't seem to recall who the yellow thing relates to.
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>>100885072
Honestly, they feel like an old married couple to me. There's no big romantic moments and they bicker sometimes, but being together is a matter of fact and they support each other one hundred percent.
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>>100885277
I think that one is representational of Shinobu herself. Lot's of fanart has her as a pon de ring lion. I don;t post it much because I don't really like it.
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>>100885364
Wow, I can't into typing right now.
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>>100885277
I think it's that lion thing. I have never understood what it is but in features in a lot of her fan art. I think it must have something to do with Mister Donut.
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>>100885439
>>100885364
>>100885428
Ahh, thanks you two. I hadn't ran into the lion yet in my image browsing. Much appreciated.

>>100885294
That's probably the best way to put it at this point. Especially with the whole "what happens if one of us dies before the other?" conversation. I felt their conclusion of "we live until we die" was very mature and respectful of each other.
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>>100884859
Honestly, the situation reminds me a lot of Toradora. How one girl is the protagonist's proclaimed love interest (Senjougahara, Minori) while the other is basically always together with him and is in a friendly, presumably non-romantic relationship. (Taiga, Shinobu) However, the close friend actually deeply loves the protagonist, who doesn't recognize it at first or is in denial about it. They pretend everything is fine and the protagonist pursues his romance with the love interest, but the friend becomes increasingly hurt as a result.

I think in this case Araragi is better written than Ryuuji though, because at least in the anime, I can't think of there being an awful lot of foreshadowing about Ryuuji developing feelings for Taiga. He pretty much loved Minori until Ami started acting all angsty about him playing pretend and stuff. Araragi on the other hand is very wishy-washy when it comes to the girls, cherishes Shinobu in a very vague way, and has a rather obscure relationship with his girlfriend. There is substantial evidence that there's something between Araragi and Shinobu but Nisio does a good job of weighting things so that you can't say anything for sure.
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>>100881987
Guillotinecutter>Kaiki > Araragi > Meme > All Other Girls.
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Shinobu thread? Shinobu thread.
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>That feel when there isn't nearly enough good Shinobu fanart

Shitloads of doujinshi though.
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Oh, how convenient.

I just scanned a couple of pages of my shinobu character book.
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>>100885627
That is a more or less reasonable comparison, but there are a few things in question. I guess at that point you could make a Nadeko/Ami comparison, but what about Tsubasa? Araragi and her still love each other to a large extent, but both have realized that their love is pretty much forlorn now.

As far as Araragi x Hitagi... She loves him and views him as a good boyfriend so long as "he comes back to her" at the end of the day, but I feel that he is dating her mostly out of... pity isn't the right word, but its close. He wants to appease her because he cares about her, but he isn't in love with her like he is with Hanekawa. Their entire relationship dynamic seems off to me. It feels like they're thinking "a relationship should be when people meet criteria X and Y for each other" so that's what they're doing, but they don't actually have a meaningful relationship beyond that.
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>>100886047
I'm pretty sure Shinobu has the most good fanart out of all the Monogaratis.
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>>100886256
Best Shinobu.
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>That moment when you have a realization.
The writing of Shinobu as 忍 can mean endure.
Araragi's and Kisss' lines at the end of Chapter 17 of Kizu: "I-I beg thee...... please, servant. Somehow...... somehow kill me. Kill me, somehow turn back into a human. Help me--"
"I'm sorry, Kissshot."
I called out her name.
The name that perhaps I would not call her by again.
"I will not help you."
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>>100886256
And here's the full version.
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>>100886120
>shinobu
>pantsu
I cant even
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>>100886300
>#deep
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>>100886351
Is there an issue here?
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>>100886300
But why wont he just kill her?
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>>100886453
Because he doesn't want her to die?
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She's great.
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>>100886120
>sexualizing the purest of pure maidens
I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it, but my autism is flaring up and I'm mad at my own boner.
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>>100886432
because shes always nopan, her wearing pantsu is strangely erotic.... I require more for scientific purposes
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>>100886612
I have a couple more.
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>>100886612
I suppose it is slightly more clothing than she typically wears.
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>>100886663
Here's a teenage version. But you may not think that counts.
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>>100886713
uwa, teenage shinobs is best though.
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>>100886713
Here are some very volumous ones.
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>>100886773
>BLOOMERS? MY FETISH.
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>>100886773
The last one I remember off the top of my head.
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>>100886314
Other half of the page.
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>>100886762
But all forms are best forms Anon.
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>>100886821
Wait, I found another one.
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>>100885984
those icons are horrible and that font oh god
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>>100886885
I feel like KAH would have a bigger butt than that...
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>>100886948
Contrast with some loli shinobutt.
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>>100885984
Why did you post your phone screen instead of the actual picture?
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>>100886114
Honestly, I don't really think Nadeko/Ami fits. Nadeko was just jealous and yandere, which doesn't really fit Ami. Ami's issue was basically that she caught on sooner than the others to what was going on, and it for whatever reason put her in a really bad mood. If anything I think it makes her more similar to Hanekawa, as Hanekawa was one of the first characters to vocally suggest that Araragi wasn't dating Hitagi for romantic reasons.

As for Hitagi, I don't mean Hitagi didn't love Araragi back. After all, Minori loved Ryuuji very much as well, however she ultimately had to step back for Ryuuji and Taiga's relationship. Even though Ami knew first, and even though Minori loved Ryuuji, when the five were gathered in that classroom it was Minori who finally forced Taiga and Ryuuji's secrets into the open. I think Hitagi could very likely fall into a similar role, and I wouldn't be surprised if doing so marked her finally recovering from her past. (Her healing as a person would thus end the need she has for her "fake" relationship with Araragi.) It's also likely that the "cheating emotionally" rule she set at the very beginning of the series will be the grounds on which she exposes Araragi's feelings.
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>>100887066
Honestly, I think that quote Araragi has where he says he loves Senjougahara the most, but he'll die with Shinobu is the most telling. It says that Shinobu's importance surpasses that of anyone else, but he won't specifically express why. Throughout the entire series it's that way, Shinobu is closest to him, but Araragi never expresses why, not even internally. When someone can't even internally express why they feel the way they do about something, it signifies denial. Araragi has spent the entire series in denial about his feelings for Shinobu.
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>>100886114
You have the whole araragi hitagi relationship wrong. If you would've paid attention during nekomonogatari you would've realized that araragi thinks he loves hanekawa but in the end realizes that he doesn't truly love her. That's why he was asking his sister what love meant, because he didn't know even the basics of basics and being mostly antisocial he just happened to latch onto the first girl he could call a close friend.
He loves hitagi and it is blatantly obvious throughout the series. Anytime that it is questioned he makes a firm stand and doesn't really fuck around with it. And on the hitagi end of things she doesn't just view him as a boyfriend that will come help her in times of need. He did help her yes, but he also became her first real friend since kanbaru(which was a nonfactor at that point in the series). She was skeptical about araragi at the start but after he saved her she began to trust him more fully. Being skeptical about getting close to people due to her past is part of her personality and you can see that slowly change throughout the second season when she becomes better friends with hanekawa.

Anyways i could go on for longer but I think this is enough. I have no idea how you came up with the stuff you came up with.
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>>100887737
The reason it surpasses anything else is due to the fact that they share a conscious. It's like they fully understand each others reasoning and motivation. This results in them being able to have the relationship that they do have. Not a romantic one, but one of understanding and acceptance.
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>>100887778
I don't know why you think Araragi suddenly understands what love is when it comes to Senjougahara. The fact he had to ask someone what love means shows that he was extremely emotionally immature, and that isn't something that will just vanish immediately. It is established in the writing that the legitimacy of Araragi's feelings for Hitagi are questionable at best.
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>>100887737
Not like Shinobu has been completely honest either. Then again, she spent all of Bake moping and then got to watch Araragi reject a bunch of girls.

>>100887778
I don't know how accurate >>100886114 is or how strong their relationship is exactly, but one rule of storytelling is that important things gets screen time. Araragi and Shinobu's relationship gets screen time, Araragi and Hitagi's relationship doesn't. Of course this isn't enough on its own, but they are more supportive of, and honest with, each other than pretty much anyone else. Then there is their death pact, and how Araragi loses his shit at the thought of Shinobu being tormented by the Darkness, and how they actually have an on screen kiss. Then there is the part where Hitagi acts like the girlfriends in a bunch of juvenile relationships I've seen fall apart. Nisio can drop all of the "oh, but they date in an alternate timeline" hints he likes, I can't quite bring myself to beleive Araragi and Gahara will last.
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>>100887778
op and 86114 here. capped and will read later. its late and i cant process. if thread is alive in the morning ill comment. it may be my cat x ragi bias.
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>>100887896
You have no idea what you're talking about. The mental link between the two doesn't go both ways, and there is nothing that remotely suggests something as arbitrary as the mental link is the reason for Araragi promising that in the first place.
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>>100888157
People don't realize there are two meanings to that letter. When they got it all they hear is "Araragi dates Senjougahara in the alternate universe." However, the messsage is "Oshino thinks it's surprising that Araragi dates Senjougahara." Considering previous comments by almost every member of the cast on their relationship, the implications change quite a bit.
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>>100888196
You do know that the japanese love implied storytelling right. You can tell from the way that they act around each other in the second season and we do know that they have a very strong mental link.
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>>100888443
Because two people being close can only be explained by a mental link.
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>>100888443
Except it only goes one way. Try reading the actual material some time.
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>>100888586
How about a better bicycle picture?
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>Need to sleep
>But there's a Shinobu thread with some actual discussion taking place

God help me.
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>>100888614
How about this?
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>>100888465
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>>100888666
Okay, I usually don't like helmet Shinobu pictures as much, but that's pretty damn kawaii.
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>>100888666
I would totally be down for a badass biker shinobu pic, but that one needs work on the anatomy.
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>>100888708
take this one too
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>>100888789
Come on man. Save pictures with good anatomy. Represent Shinobu well.
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>>100888868
You want these kinds?
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>>100888922
There we go.
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>>100887970
I do agree with the fact that araragi was emotionally immature. But that's part of his character development in the series. You can see that he starts to understand his impact on others and their emotional states during his ordeal with hanekawa. Every girl he meets makes him grow in both emotional awareness which in turn helps him understand what actual love is.

>>100888157
I do agree that shinobu is a very large part of his life and will be for the rest of his life. Let me start of with this. Araragi is obviously the kind of guy that wants to save people as he states and as he does. It's also implied through his parents being police officers and his sisters being all about justice. This in turn makes him want to 'save' shinobu. That's the whole reason he is keeping her alive and not just killing her. He doesn't just want to kill things, he wants to save them. The death pact comes as a result of this. Because he won't kill shinobu and has given her a second chance so to speak she repays the favor. The whole thing about her running off and destroying the world if he didn't come to get her was sort of a test of her trust. She wasn't going to repay the favor of not killing him if he didn't actually feel that way. But since he does come after her this shows that he cares about her she can actually trust him. So due to both of them not wanting to kill the other they are stuck with being bound by death. If araragi dies shinobu dies just due to their situation and araragi being who he is would die for shinobu.
And araragi losing his shit about shinobu being tormented by the darkness just means that he cares about her. He would freak out about any of the people he even remotely cares about being swallowed by that thing.
Hitagi acting like a girlfriend is just because that is the social norm for what people do. You can hardly say that she is a generic girlfriend. I ran out of text room so ill finish in another post.
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>>100889031
im not a total fan of t hose kinds though. I do have a few however
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>>100889198
They don't need to be hyper realistic, I just like for all the bits of the body to be the right size and in the right place, or consistently stylized.
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>>100881163
Because they picked the greatest living voice actress to play her.

I totally hated Bakemonogatari but I'm watching every episode just for Shinobu now. Kizumonogatari when.
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>>100889342
I watch anime, im not horribly worried about anatomical accuracy, just needs to be cute as fuck and im happy
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>>100888510
>>100888606
That's not at all what i was saying. I apoligize for wording that so terribly but my mind was on something else at the time. What I'm saying that it deepens their relationship and gives them more of a true understanding of why each other feel a certain way. You know that the link goes only one way without the source material by the way. It's pretty obvious in the second season. And if the link only goes one way then shinobu has a greater understanding of araragi and araragi can deepen their relationship like a normal person with conversations and experiences.

>>100888437
But oshino didn't know who he dated in his original timeline. How would he be surprised if he didn't have the ability to know that it was true in both timelines. And even so Oshino makes plays on araragi being surrounded by girls several times. He could just be poking fun at how he has so many options to choose from.
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>>100888657
I feel the same way
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>>100889379
One of the big reasons I like Shinobu more than other characters is because she can be cute and playful, but there is a powerful, ancient vampire just under the surface. Then there is the part where I work with a bunch of production artists and am used to seeing, and criticizing, a bunch of really well done art.
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>>100889536
Powerful ancient vampire (with huge knockers - cute little girl. that count as gap moe?
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>>100889593
Never thought to put it in those terms but it might apply. Then again maybe not, because it's sort of representational from what I like in a real person: fun to be around, but has their shit together and can get things done when the time calls for it. I'll add that, honestly, the breast size doesn't play a factor here other than not going outside an attractive range.
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>>100889092
Just finishing up on the hitagi part.

Neither of them are very good at generic social interactions. So they use what knowledge they do have and go from there. Go ahead and believe what you want, nothing is confirmed yet so there's that. But if you look at all of the people that surround araragi senjougahara is the one he truly loves. Shinobu has just as deep of a relationship with him if not deeper, but that doesn't mean they love each other that way. Their relationship stems from the situation they are put in and the result is kind of being bros. Hanekawa is kind of like a god to him. She is the epitome of niceness and correctness and so being the first girl he becomes close friends with (apart from shinobu which is somewhat irrelevant at this point because their relationship has barely even started) he naturally thinks he loves her. And in a sense he does, but more like family than as a romantic lover. He realizes this after he sees who she really is during nekomono.

I could go on with the other girls but they are fairly irrelevant in the lover sense.

Feel free to correct and/or argue any of these points because I could definitely be missing something. Hopefully this thread will be here in the morning and we can talk more but I'm tired as fuck and want some sleep.
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>>100889689
well she gets me tingly all over, so not much else matters
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>>100889843

Its more complicated than that though. In Shinobu Time, Shinobu directly asks him who he loves more: herself, Tsubasa, or Hitagi, and he clammed up for the first time, when we always know he has a retort, and was exasperated at Shinobu bullying him. It wasn't that he had a hard time deciding, he flat out refused to say which one. If he loved Hitagi romantically over everyone else and that was purely it, he would have no trouble saying it.

See, with Tsubasa he has her as a role model, and even went so far to call her "like a mother" in Nise, despite what he knows about her, mainly because he also knows she has a virtuous spirit under that pain, since that was the reason she became that way in the first place. He also refers to her when talking to people as "My Hanekawa" several times in the novels, so there is another level of affection there.

Shinobu's relationship with him has evolved since Kizu, and like you said, it is a strong attachment. However, what the series and Shinobu Mail will probably focus on is the fatal flaw with that relationship, which is co-dependency.

As for Hitagi and Araragi, well, they grew to love one another, but the novels show that he was, to a point, enduring her spite. Despite how people say he is a masochist, his internal monologue showed that he didn't quite appreciate her antics all the time, and the anime toned down her spite. Her healing process was helped tremendously by Araragi, and even then, as we see with Koi, her lack of self-worth is still evident. So while they aren't quite the perfect couple that people cite them to be, they still are going strong.

Mainly, Araragi's relationships with all three aren't the healthiest. Boy still has the lingering emo and savior complexes from Kizu that, again, will probably be shown further in Shinobu Mail. As well as all three girls having various things to go through and healing of their own to do.

I still challenge that his love for those three is complex.
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>>100889267
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>>100889092
>>100889843
Still cooking up a response for these. I have a lot of ground to cover so it will take a while yet.
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>>100890396

>Hanekawa was virtuous underneath her facade

Thank you for that. It should have been what people got in Neko Kuro, since Nisio basically was saying about Hanekawa was that she wasn't and never will be a normal person. It was about accepting the freak that she was, and the pressure that came with it, despite her circumstances. This part here in particular:

>"Amazingly kind, amazingly strong. Too kind, too strong. So kind even living is tiresome, so strong you sold your soul to a kaii. You are so right it puts pressure on other people. I understand that you would like to deny that -- I don't get it, but I understand. But you know, Hanekawa...... you know, Hanekawa...... still, Hanekawa, that's who you are!"

The part I would underline is "so kind, even living is tiresome". People take Oshino's opinion to heart about the parents, but as we would see later in Shiro, Hanekawa adapted because she didn't want to give up on them, despite them wanting to send her to an orphanage.

It is why the plan to lure her out and why the townspeople and Oshino were not hurt even remotely badly in Kuro, and why Araragi even now vehemently calls her the "real thing". That kindness and consideration was real all along, there was just more to it.
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Shinobu > Tsukihi > Karen > Mayoi > Nadeko > Hitagi > Suruga > Tsubasa
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>>100891454
>Tsubasa dead last
>Nadeko even in the middle
>Suruga that low
>Mayoi that low
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>>100891689
Mayoi is very high, though.
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>>100891775
>I have nothing to say but feel compelled to shit up every Monogatari thread I see.
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>>100882087
The Shaftgatari fanbase can't talk about the the plot without getting spammed with spoilers from people who read some dodgy LN-summary.

So take some Shinobu and be grateful!
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Can't read the file name? At least I don't green text.
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You know... Being Araragi is suffering. He had to choose Hitagi, eh.

Honestly, All girls are best girl in their own place and time, and the worst part is they all deserve to be impregnated, BUT arararagi-kun, the silly seigi-man could never cross that line, or so it seems.

Definitively, it was the tooth-brush scene that let me know that Karen-suzumebachi was best girl. "oni-chan...daijoubu"
I came with the force of a million bullets.

But naturally, bat,tiger,snail,monkey,phoenix, and crab are all still best girl. Only if one identifies himself as a kaiki deshuu type of man does snake gain any redeeming qualities of best girl.
You have to be a super-lolicon to accept moe as a solution to her problems.


>Here is a couple of questions though.
Did Mayoi pass on after that kiss with araragi (my fucking heart...I almost cried)

>What happened with senjougahara and hanekawa in that shower (another boner inducing scene)

> If Shinobu ate Gaen's Ofuda, would she have become a snake goddess? I mean, does eating oddities add their strength to hers? IDK.

>Is shinobu queen of vampires, or just a decently old one. I am leaning towards the second one, but she seems to have some regalness that is quite deserved.

>What exactly makes vampires the monarchs of oddities? Why are they so strong? Is it the human form?
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>>100892462
You write like a degenerate.
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>>100892462
>Did Mayoi pass on after that kiss with Araragi.
Yes.

>If Shinobu ate Gaen's Ofuda, would she have become a snake goddess?
Since it was given to Araragi for the explicit purpose of turning Shinobu into a goddess, I would assume so.

>Is shinobu queen of vampires, or just a decently old one?
She is the oldest and since vampires gain power with age she is also the strongest. She has no kingdom, but calling her the queen of vampires wouldn't be wrong.

>What exactly makes vampires the monarchs of oddities? Why are they so strong?
Belief from humans. The myth of vampires is very widespread, and people think that vampires are very powerful, so vampires became the most powerful oddity.

>>100892577
Is not wrong.
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>>100892462
>>What exactly makes vampires the monarchs of oddities? Why are they so strong? Is it the human form?

It's the fact that they're the top of the food chain, since they're able to 'devour' other oddities.

A bit like a lion being 'above' a house cat. They're both technically felines, one is just way more powerful than the other.
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>>100892577
Not even that guy but:
>degenerate
>>>/pol/
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>>100892653
That makes two of you.
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>>100892577
>>100892671
Umm... It's written to inspire those feelings of degeneracy (as well as fetishistic sympathy). Araragi is the one actually committing these acts.

To some, even having the romantic emotional connection with other women besides Hitagi would be degeneracy (and tantamount to adultery ), so watch where you decide to push me down the slippery slope, cause you might fall down with me.
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>>100893201
Making DEEP jokes isn't going to score you any points.
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Seeing the new BD comparisons.

Shaft are so shit.
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>>100893780
Two things:
1) A single screen comparison doesn't tell the whole story.
2) The only way to fix the TV broadcast of that arc is to add another episode to properly pace and execute it.
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>>100882156
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>>100894406
Live, because I'd like to continue some of the debates on here later.
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>>100895383
>heres all these characters you've come to love, now were taking them away.

;_;
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>>100895383
why ;_;
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>>100895489
>>100895575
Because taking them away any sooner wouldn't have the same impact.
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i started watching bakemonogatari recently and im up to like ep 7 right now, does she start to get more involvement or something? up to now shes only been sitting in the background
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>>100897357
She becomes a larger character in Nise. It's been a while since I've watched Bake, so I can't remember if she gets any major screen time there.
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>>100897446
Bandaid.gif happens in the last episode of Bake.
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>>100897549
bandaid .gif?

i just finished the series and i don't remember that.
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>>100897779
When you see it.
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>>100897779
Did you watch the BD release?
I did and had no idea it was there until I started reading threads.
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>>100897899
>>100897818


guess it was just to fast for me to notice the first time.
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God damn it. I missed the thread again and arrived at the end.
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>>100898215
But yeah, Shinobu does some important stuff in the last arc.

>>100898252
Well, there is a decent chance of reviving it, now that night is mostly over.
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>>100898301

Shinobu will be relevant in the final LN. Which i hope it ends pretty good considering Araragi has to decide on his vampirism or humanity. So i assume how the story is going so far.. Fucking Gaen and Ougi.
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>>100889092
>>100889843

Late response is late. Time to test the character limit.

My point about Araragi's reaction to Shinobu being tormented by the darkness is really about how it contrasts with his reaction to Hitagi being tormented by Kaiki. Of course the scale of what has happened is a little off, but they both count as 'very bad' events. In Senjougahara's case, Araragi bears a grudge against Kaiki but is more focused on getting Hitagi to let him help deal with the issue and doesn't really get emotional about it. However, when he hears about Shinobu's situation he responds with what I can only describe as righteous fury, saying things like, "how dare it put her through something so terrible." and broods over it pretty much until he is interrupted by the prospect of Hachikuji's death. There is a clear discrepancy in these two responses and is pretty telling about how much he cares about each character.

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>>100899581

Then there is the case of how Senjougahara acts as a girlfriend. I don't doubt that she is in a loving relationship with Araragi, but I don't think that it's a particluarly strong one. To start off, let's look at the pact they made at the beggining of their relationship: don't hide things from each other. This pact has been broken so many god damn times. There have been three arcs, beyond Mayoi Snail, where this has been an issue: Suruga Monkey, Karen Bee, and Hitagi End. Suruga Monkey and Hitagi End were almost completely centered around breaking this pact. Sure you can make an argument about pragmatism in Hitagi End, but it doesn't really refute the fact that these two have really poor communication. It doesn't just stop at poor communication either, it brings up a whole lot of trust issues because they both try to solve things on their own because they think that their plans will be sabotaged by the other. When you package the poor communication and subtle trust issues with Hitagi's verbal abuse you get a type of relationship that I've seen a lot and almost always ends up falling apart.

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>>100899633

Now with all these issues between Araragi and Senjougahara in mind, let's look at Araragi and Shinobu's relationship. The main issues they have are that Shinobu is unhealthily dependent on Araragi. Not just for blood, but emotionally, as seen when her alternate timeline self wipes out humanity in because she can't cope with alternate Araragi's death. Then there is the issue where they don't really know what their relationship is, mainly because Araragi refuses to define it and Shinobu is too afraid to make a move for fear of rejection. I'll deal with these more later, but for now let's look at the strengths. Communication is there. Yes, they bicker a bit, but it stays good natured or at least mature when one of them has a real issue. Araragi isn't magically more mature with Shinobu, but generally feels more comfortable telling her things and generally thinks it's futile to hide things from Shinobu. As for Shinobu, this is where it's apparent that she is five hundred years old because she can take Araragi's immaturity in stride, makes things that are important clear, has the tact to take on thorny issues gently, and immediately tells him any information that is important. As far as trust goes, it's fucking there. Since Nise, they've tackled every issue together to the point that it's implicit that they will go into battle at each other's side. Finally, they manage to cover for each other's weaknesses. While Araragi is generally emotionally stable, but immature, Shinobu is very mature but emotionally unstable. This makes for a relationship that is the healthiest in all of Monogatari, despite the issues of both parties involved.

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>>100899674

Now for the big question: is the Relationship between Araragi and Shinobu romantic? Not yet, but it has what it needs to become romantic. As it stands we can be pretty sure that Shinobu has Romantic feelings for Araragi but Araragi doesn't really know what sort of feelings he has for Shinobu. He cares about her a great deal, but refuses to definitively say what sort of relationship that they're in. Shinobu, however, has made up her mind. In Kizu, she flat out says she would like it if Araragi stayed a vampire and spent his life with her. She makes a point to have physical contact with Araragi; sometimes directly asking for it, other times creating situations that force it. Shinobu definitely gets jealous of Yotsugi's kiss, and uses the opportunity to push Araragi into clarifying their relationship. There are more examples, but I think I’ve decently shown Shinobu’s feelings on the matter.

Araragi’s refusal to clarify their relationship requires some analysis, because it could mean one of three things: 1) He doesn’t know what he feels towards Shinobu himself. 2) He doesn’t romantically love Shinobu as much as Hitagi, but doesn’t want to hurt Shinobu. 3) He romantically loves Shinobu but doesn’t want to jeopardize his relationship with Hitagi. No matter the outcome, it speaks to the possibility of romantic feelings even if he simply can’t bring himself to reject Shinobu. When you compare it to how Araragi was able to reject Hanekawa, who he still practically worships, then I can’t even find the proper adjective for how strongly that means he feels towards Shinobu. With a relationship this solid, if Araragi and Hitagi’s affection for each other ever wavers- as it has a good chance to for reasons already established- then Shinobu will be first in line win the Araragi.

Okay, that's it.
inb4 autismal shipperfag
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