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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c


Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100790730/
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あ え い お う
あ え い お う
あ え い お う
あ え い お う
あ え い お う
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>>100866377
Isn't it あいうえお?
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Is the first result with converting with the space bar a reliable way to know if a word should be written in hirgana/katakana/kanji?
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/jp/ called DJT a useless Distraction General.

#shotsfired
#war
#TheOtakuAreRising
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>>100867048
If only what /jp/ said mattered at all.
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>>100867048
And their Anki generals are still shit.
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>>100867144

They have the highest number of fluent Japanese speakers on 4chan. /int/ doesn't count because they're natives.
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>>100867048
Yeah, why learn Japanese when you can just use a text hooker and machine translation?
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Guess we're doing this again.
can we please not though?
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>>100867282
What is text hooker?
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>>100867370

War is hell.

You made your bed. You unleashed the wrath of the otaku, you woke the beast, and now you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
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>>100867982
You sound like an autist.
Nobody cares about board drama.
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頑張ってね!! DJT
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>>100867376
It's like a regular hooker, but instead of paying them for sex you pay them to read a VN for you.
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>>100868343
Why are hooker are called hooker instead of bait?
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>>100867239
They're worse than these threads that for sure. Because they aren't fast enough to distract anyone.
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Despite all of our attempts at peaceful negotiation, they continued to push for war. And today /a/ will freely admit: "Indeed, this war could have been avoided, but we do not want peace." Today they admit that it would have been possible to arrive at an understanding, but they wanted war.

The otaku held out our hands in friendship, but they refused it and they cried out: "No reconciliation! No understanding! Only war!"

Well, /a/, you will have your war. You shall yet get to know the otaku of /jp/! They will personally instruct you. You will get to know their divisions and their regiments as they march into your board. Perhaps then you will be cured of a peculiar form of insanity. Namely, the insanity of believing that you are faced by the divided and fractured otaku tribes of old. /a/, today you are faced by every otaku of /jp/!
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>>100869177
Christ, I don't even go on /jp/.
What did we do that is so worthy of a petty cross board war?
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>>100869423
some anons were saying they can't into japanese
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>>100869566
They can't. Neither can this thread.
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>>100869177

And so the great war between the two illiterate Japanese students has begun.
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>>100869177
>>100869423
Are you retarded? /jp/ wouldn't actually "declare war" on anything. The concept of doing that is retarded script kiddy /a/v/b/ shit. You guys are like stupid kids obsessed with /jp/, and this is coming from someone who isn't actively from /jp/. Stop.
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It's more that /jp/ thinks that everything is shit. Since DJT falls into the category "everything," it's shit too.
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>>100869818
>not from /jp/
>using the term /a/v/b/
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>>100869924
What are you even talking about? Stop shitposting.
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>>100869947
>>>/jp/
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>Wake up at 2:00PM
>Start doing my reps and occasionally look at DJT or other threads on /a/ to take a quick break.
>It's currently 9:34PM
>Feel like I've been studying Japanese for hours.

>"Studied 234 cards in 28 minutes today."

Jesus christ. I must have been procrastinating for hours and I didn't even realize it. I can barely believe it. Only 28 minutes? I feel like I've been studying for at least six hours.

How do I stop doing this? I wasn't even doing anything interesting. I didn't play any games or watch any anime, I just looked at /a/ a few times and somehow that took nine hours.
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>>100870046
What helped me is removing yourself from the situation. The computer is a major distraction for me, so I bought the anki app (Yeah, I know, I'm a faggot) and use that because a phone is less of a distraction.
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>>100870046
You may just have narcolepsy.
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I'm watching Joshiraku with the subtitles off, and what the fucking is going on?
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>Studied 234 cards in 28 minutes today.
You shouldn't feel bad, anon. I took 90 minutes for 250 cards today. You can't get worse than me.
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i studied no cards in no minutes today

get on my level
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>>100870219
/jp/ really is out in full force today.
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>>100865943
Well I'm up to the t's in my hiragana memorization, I can easily tell the phonetic that goes with each character. Problem is, I have trouble doing it the other way around (given a phonetic or roma-ji and asked to make the symbol).

Any tips for making it click in this regard?
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>>100870219
I forgot 240 cards in negative 20 minutes.
You can't beat that.
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>>100870275
somebody went out of their way to invite us
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>>100870046

Posting on 4chan is a far bigger time sink than anime or video games.

Look at this thread. It feels like it's been up for 30 minutes, right? Nope.

>Thread created at: 20:26
>Current time: 21:49

If you opened this thread when it was started then an hour has gone by in what has probably felt like 20 minutes.
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/a/侵略作戦開始!
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>>100870282
I know this isn't going to work with everyone and isn't exactly what you're looking for, but try learning hiragana/katakana with a "game". I did this for a day or two and memorized all my kana without writing it down repeatedly.

csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/hiragana-timer.html
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>>100870219
i haven't studied in 10 months
deal with it
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i should be reading my books, but ive been so busy with other summer school papers that ive been putting my japanese studies on hold

this semester is semester 2, that means genki 2. when im back into the books, i promise i will participate in these threads as much as i can
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>>100870219
I did 2 cards in about 5 seconds. I guess you've got me beat though.
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>>100870658
But could you also easily think up the character when given a phonetic or Roma-ji equivalent after doing so?
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>>100870275
They have much more Japanese speakers than /a/. Why are you so tsundere for /jp/ in that you must repeatedly bring them up? Stop acknowledging them all of the time like some insecure approval seeking faggot. /a/ isn't even a topic of discussion on /jp/.
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>>100870046
Get a timer. i spent all day studying for 1 hour with 15 minute breaks in between.
I'd also spend my 15 minute breaks doing chores to stay actively focused on something.

Here, the timer i use.
http://www.orzeszek.org/dev/timer/
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>>100867048
>/jp/

A guy from here called it that. I don't think anyone from /jp/ cares what we do.
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>>100870741
Yes. After playing with it for a while I just recognized the characters without needing romaji anymore. It feels great when you reach that step. We may have different learning methods, so you may need more than just a game to get you through kana. Good luck, anon! がんばって!
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>>100871338
Thanks, the game is pretty fun, I also use this.
http://quizlet.com/400169/all-hiragana-reading-practice-flash-cards/

They have a similar game that speeds up as you progress, it's very fun.

Also yeah it's been fairly easy, just wish I could think up the character in my head as easily as I can name the phonetic when I see the character. I'll keep at it.
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I need to concentrate and stop going to 4chan so I can practice my reading by reading jp-only VNs. How do you do it, DJT? Do you close all of your tabs and get full imersed in what you're reading?
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Yes, but I've at least got to keep Jisho open.
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>>100871574
Whichever works for you best, keep doing it. You will reach that step where you'll be able to think of the character right away. You'll even reach the point where you just recognize the character without even thinking about it. Remember, this is just the beginning. Keep at it and you'll be okay. DJT is usually pretty helpful, so don't be afraid to ask if you need help.
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these threads need quality control because it's mostly ganbatte stuff.

But on the other hand, it also needs motivational reading so we anons can keep with your reps as much as we can
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One of my goals in life is to eventually make a Graded Reader RPG. It will start with very basic grammar and slowly move up to more complicated grammar as you progress through it. Every sentence will have both a literal and regular translation. There will be a built-in dictionary to lookup any words in the sentences. Words with multiple meanings will have all definitions shown, but the definition being used in that particular sentence will be highlighted. Then I will sell it to weeaboos and make loads of money.
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>>100872161
I guarantee your certainty that this dream of yours will stay merely that; a dream. Give up now for you will definitely fail.
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>>100871733
Honestly, the best way is to just stop going to 4chan as often altogether. When you've been lurking and shitposting here for more than an hour a day, every day, to the point where you feel compelled to have a thread open at all times, it's going to make any sort of productive activity on the computer that much harder.

Also, if you start reading every day, it'll soon be something you don't even need to think about.
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Does anyone else think the order of the words in the Core decks could be a lot better? I'm working on reordering it to better suit my needs, and I figured I might as well upload it when I'm done.

So far I know for sure I want to group together transitive/intransitive versions of words, group together inflections that Core somehow decided were new words (近く/近い), and group together related words, because I think it's ridiculous being able to say "arm" but not "leg", just because they're not exactly as frequently used, but still almost equally important.

Anything else you think I should keep in mind/you'd want in a Core based deck?
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What I do to keep myself productive and might help others:
I have a dual monitor setup. I put anki on the second monitor that doesn't have a start button or any icons. I unplug the 1st monitor and put the cord in another room.
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>>100866377
50 times each
YOU BITCH
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>>100871338
That isn't what he was asking. I'm pretty sure you can't.
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>>100872520
>group together inflections that Core somehow decided were new words (近く/近い)
How are those not different words? They're spelled differently and refer to different concepts.
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http://subs2srs.sourceforge.net/
Did anyone ever use this? I'm gonna try to make a deck off some anime episode and see how well it works. Looks interesting for very focused learning.

>>100872520
Less fucking business words.
Some logic in the kana/kanji usage. There are some words they randomly write in kanji where they're normally kana and vice versa and it's annoying.
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>>100872520
Things like this are why everyone should just start their own deck from scratch eventually. One of the reasons I didn't like core2K very much is that it felt too much like highschool/university coursework, with me having to learn information in a prescribed and many times arbitrary order/fashion, only without professor/teacher interaction that makes the class worth it.

Your hypothetical deck might fix some of the glaring issues, but there will always be something more engaging about the user studying the cards that he himself put in.

I usually just put in words from the JLPT's, combine those with the results I get from punching any new kanji into KD, and call it a day.
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>>100873136
The new core ordering solves most of that.
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イギリス does not make sense to me. Shouldn't it be taken from the English word?
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I have such a hard time understanding grammar. Polite and formal present/past/negative/negative past I'm fine with, but then I come across

>-te form
>Conditional Form
>Passive Form
>-i form

and the works. I regret learning vocabulary and kanji first and putting grammar off for so long. How long until you felt comfortable and it "clicked" for you?
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>>100868262
Can't read Kanji to save my life yet but from context this should be...Konnichiwa?
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>>100873503
>formal

Whoops, meant informal.
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>>100873503
What part do you find hard? Use, forming, all? I've never found the sheer grammar to be that big of a deal, learning kanji takes way longer.
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>>100873445
Maybe from Portuguese or Spanish
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>>100873562
Guaranteed replies!
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>>100873445
>アフリカ does not make sense to me. Shouldn't it be taken from an Ethiopian or Swahili word?
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>>100873562
You're right!

You really can't read Kanji to save your life
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>>100873085
It has 近く twice; once as an adverb and once as a noun. 近い is an い adjective, 近く is the adverb form of that い adjective. Makes no sense to separate them.

>>100873136
I'm not planning on removing any words, but less early focus on business words for sure. Will take a look at the kana, although that may require too much editing of notes instead of just reordering. I think it can be solved with some creative card creation, though.

>>100873185
Yeah, I'd actually really like to just make my own deck, but corePLUS has way too much useful info for me to stop using it. I'm mostly just doing it for my own use, I'm not planning on taking up a whole project to make a "perfect" deck. But if it's a bit better than what's currently up, why not upload it?
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>>100873657
Epic spoiler usage /b/rother. You showed him.
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>>100873618
no.

>>100873655
so from what foreign country did they take it from?
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>>100873601
All of it. I don't get when to use it or how to form them. I'm the opposite, kanji isn't that hard but grammar is too much.
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I don't like anime. Can I still participate in these threads since I have an interest in learning Japanese?
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>>100873702
It's from Portuguese or something like that. Another popular weird one with non-English roots is baito (arubaito).

>>100873692
Grammar doesn't exist. It's ex-post-facto reasoning to make sense of things that we already say. They're essentially different words considering they're spelt differently and refer to two different and distinct concepts regardless of how you meta-level linguistically classify it.
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>>100873767
What I did/do is make up sentences with various placeholder nouns to practice a form, and mumble to myself like a retard when nobody is around. Worked well enough.
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>>100873692
>coreplus
You're basically using the lazy man's version of making his own deck. Great for not having to make the entire card from scratch, but expecting order from it is hilarious considering i'm using it too.
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>>100873829
>It's from Portuguese or something like that.

same as above
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>>100873829
If grammar doesn't exist then how come people form language in ways that appear to follow pretty consistent rules rather than just barfing out whatever? Of course, the rules shift over time, but there is the fact that certain things are felt to be correct and some not, implying an internal set of standards for language formation.
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>>100873815
The fuck do you like? Anime is just manga for plebs who can't read and like watered down shit that moves anyway.
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>>100874052
Don't like Manga either. I like vidya though and I can tolerate most anime shit in games so long as the actual game is decent.
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>>100874115
Then why do you want to learn Japanese? If you don't want any of their entertainment and just want to learn a new language, you're probably better off learning a practically useful language like Chinese or Spanish.
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>>100873829
I don't see how it's so very different. And as long as the grammar rules apply to the words, I think it's a good idea to utilize them. Are you into the "no grammar books, 100 % immersion" approach? Otherwise I'm not really sure what your problem with it is. It's not allmighty, but it serves a purpose, especially when starting out. Worst case scenario, don't use the deck. It's gonna take a while anyway, and you'd probably be way past it if you're already not.

>>100873910
It's pretty alright with good cards. It's just the ordering that really bothers me.
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>>100874192
>a practically useful language like Chinese or Spanish
Don't even joke like that. There are people here who actually believe it.
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>>100874192
What if you have no need to speak to Chinese or Mexicans over Japanese?

I've continued learning Japanese because it's a p. cool language with a lot of media that makes its study more accessible. Chinese and Spanish are relatively boring to me.
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>>100874192
Because I think the culture is interesting. I wouldn't mind learning Chinese though.
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>>100874290
Well, that's how I operate as well but Spanish and (mandarin) Chinese are the 2nd and 3rd most spoken languages in the world.
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>>100874385
And are you travelling the word, doing international business, or anything like that? If not, I don't think that argument is very strong. The realistic context of an individual is far smaller than the world at large for the majority of people.
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>>100874052
mind you, anime's alright if you take them as listening sessions for beginners.
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>>100874512
Truthfully I don't think anime is really suited for beginners, but I suppose it's better than a news program or something. But since beginners want to watch anime anyway, it ends up being their first exposure to the language.
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How is でも used in this sentence それは空でも同じ.
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>>100874623
Sorta depends on the animu. SOL type stuff I think is pretty accessible for a beginner with a decent grammar foundation, since they tend to have slower speech rates and be about mundane topics.
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>>100874747
We should really get some easy anime in the guide, it's a lot more confusing than finding easy manga.
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今学期は、日本人が二ついるクラスがあって、僕は結構会話が出来たからうれしいんだ。ここに日本人が少ないから、日本語を練習するチャンスはやっぱり足りないな。
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>>100875246
いや、「二つ」じゃなくて、「二人」のほうが正しいね。恥かしい。
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>>100875351
>>100875246
Who the fuck are you talking to?
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>>100875246
でもやっぱり、日本人は英語の練習したいんだろうね…?
しかし日本語で喋って、英語で答えが来るなら面白そう
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>>100874959
It's all about tastes. Anything is easy if you really, really want to know what is being said and I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt you care about competitive cycling, teamwork, and the power of friendshipand spandex shorts anywhere near as much as I do to find it any less difficult than any other show that isn't about asspull science or philosophy.

You just have to find the thing that gives you the weeb boner to drill through to the heavens.
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>>100875891
Yes and no. Listening is inexact. The more words and expressions you know, the more easily you can pick things up when they are muffled or spoken really quickly. If you don't know what word they're saying and you try to just get it by sound, you may end up getting it completely wrong. You may even find something that seems to fit in context, and yet still be totally wrong.

At least with reading, provided you have a good scan and can make out the kanji, you can eventually look up the word, even if it's a pain. Grammar can still be tricky though.
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>>100876188
I assumed you'd do the correct thing and read the manga and mine the fuck out of it before taking on the show.
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>>100875881
そうだよ、日本人の留学生は皆英語の練習しかしたくないから、ぺらぺら日本語を喋っても、普通に英語で答える。面倒だけど、僕の話は日本人に理解できると、嬉しいんだよ。

それに普通の留学生はシャイな女だから、アメリカ人の男が急に日本語を喋ったら、いつもびっくりして、会話うまく出来なくてさ。。。
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>>100875891
Yeah, but as >>100874747 said, stuff like SoL is generally really easy, and usually not very specific into one subject, so it's easy to start with just to get a first step into raw anime, which can otherwise be a bit terrifying.

One good approach would probably be to link some relatively easy manga with adaptations that stay fairly close to the source material, so that people could start with the manga and then move on to the anime after already picking up a lot of the vocab.
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>>100876477
>びっくりして、会話うまく出来なくてさ。。。
か、かわいい
うらやましすぎるんだけど
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>>100876370
Sure I guess that can help a bit.
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>>100876729
初めて起こったら可愛いかもしれないけど、その後は悔しくなっちゃうよ。
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Sometimes these stories are really weird, but I probably won't forget this one.
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>>100876969
まあ、そうだろうね
友達になれたの?
自分なら、なんか、迷惑かな、どうだろうね、と悩んでしまうと思う…
だって、日本人は「お前つまらない、帰れ」とか絶対に言わないし…
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I always see this posted in a but I've been ignoring it
So is this about learning Japanese? Will this guide help learn jap?

I've been using a mindsnack app to help me learn I feel like it doesn't help much lol
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As someone who studied Mandarin for years before starting to learn Japanese, I get unbelievably pissed by the differences in how they are read.

Everytime
>What, this kanji has more than one syllable!?!
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>>100877408
日本人の友達は、一人か二人できた。時々待ち合わせるけどこの頃はなんか、忙しくなっちゃってさ。

ちょっと迷惑をかけても、俺は構わない。そんな考え方は少し心無いかもしれないけど、外国語の勉強は、出来るだけ練習しようとしないとだめなんだよ。だからしょうがない。
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>>100874699
help me I need everything spoon fed to me because I'm retarded
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Any ideas on where to get the 時をかける少女 audiobook without a credit card?
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>>100877842
うーん
まあ、会ってくれるなら問題ないかなぁ
実際寂しいかもしれないよね
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盗み聞き(ぬすみぎき) - eavesdropping; tapping
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>>100881290
盗聴器
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男膣(だんまん) - boypussy; mancunt
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卑猥(ひわい) - indecent; obscene
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じゃ...
ここに誰がホムですか?
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>>100874385
>Spanish and (mandarin) Chinese are the 2nd and 3rd most spoken languages in the world.

English is the third most spoken language in the world, Spanish is second and Mandarin is first.
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There is too many "pair work" in Genki. :'(
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>>100882443
Pear work you say?
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兄「ケツだせコラ」
妹「はい」プリッ
兄「えっ……マジでいいの?」
妹「はい」
兄「じゃあ遠慮なく………」ズボッ
妹「……………」
兄「…………」パンパン
妹「………………」
兄「………………」パンパン
兄「……………………」パンパン
妹「………………」
兄「………………うっ」ドピュ
妹「……………………」
兄「……………………」
兄「……………ふぅ」
妹「………………終わりましたか?」
兄「え?、あぁ、うん……………」
妹「じゃ、部屋に戻りますね」
兄「あ、あぁ………」
トタトタ ガチャ
兄「(リアクション、薄いな………)」

ー妹の部屋ー
ガチャ バタン
妹「……………………」
妹「……………………ひっ」
妹「ひやぁぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ!!///
やっちゃたぁぁぁぁぁ
兄さんとやっちゃたぁぁぁぁぁ///!!」
妹「緊張して何も言えなかったよぅ///」
妹「変な奴って思われなかったかな~…………」
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>>100882153
ホム?私はとってもホムホムする人だ。
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>>100882443
Ask your waifu for assistance.
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イレブる

Really? There's a verb for "to go to a Seven-Eleven". Not just go to any convenience store but SPECIFICALLY a Seven-Eleven.

Wow.
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>>100882853
姉弟だったらいいのにねぇ・・・
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>>100882952
マクル

There are tons of these, I've never seen them actually used though.
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>>100882952
Actually you can stick る to anything to make a fake verb and it will often get the point across. It just so happens that some of them like ぐぐる are actually useful and so everyone starts using them...
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>>100882853
That was entertaining. I need to go read some imouto eromanga now...
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>>100883095
お前の母る
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>>100874299
>Learning Chinese

Why would any of you guys do this?

Many of you people here say x language is more useful. First off I'm going to tell you anyone that says a certain language is more "useful" is usually wrong. Unless you're learning a language so you advance in some field of business a language is a useful as you make it. Let's be honest what use would Chinese be to any of you guys any way? It's not like you'd use it for anything, maintaining to would be a waste of time, not to mention you'll learn how awful China's culture and people are. You guys just don't get it because you haven't been exposed to it for awhile.
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>>100882973
なんだショタコンか
同志よ
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>>100883161
Yeah, if people say japanese culture is bad, Chinese culture seems to be many times worse.
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>>100883161
Take it easy, bro. You're on a board about Japanese cartoons, in a thread about learning Japanese. I think you don't have to worry a whole lot about everyone deciding to learn Chinese. (Not that it would matter in the slightest if that did happen...)
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>>100883180
ショタコンじゃなくて、姉フェチだ
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>>100883147
「やる」
馬鹿やろう
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>>100883312
ヒッヒッ(´・ω・`)
アタシも日本ですぅ〜ねぇ〜〜
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Haven't been in one of these in months but you guys do more than just memorize kanji off cards right?
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>>100883405
Yeah. We memorize vocabulary off of cards as well.
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>>100883405
エロゲーやりまくってる
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>>100883405
I practice stroke order with my 精液
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Wait, we're supposed to MEMORIZE the kanji? I thought we were just supposed to click as fast as we could to get the best stats possible. My bad.
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>>100883445
How about actual reading?

>>100883457
You're coming along just fine then.

>>100883495
Go easy on your wrist.
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In 2.5 hours there's going to be some Japanese starcraft tournament being streamed at http://stream.j-cg.com/sc2/ch1

It should be fully commentated in Japanese
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>>100883633
Reading is fun and we can't have that. In the grimdark future of /a/, there is only reps.
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>>100883721
/a/に未来などない
これは死ぬまでの暇つぶしに過ぎない
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>>100883681
>Japanese starcraft tournament
this should be as amusing as watching americans play iidx
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>>100883633
>actual reading
What are you talking about? I'm learning Japanese so I can one day read the stuff that I want to read. If I could already read them now then there would be no point in studying Japanese now would there? Obviously after getting a good understanding of grammar and a vocabulary at about the level of a native, I will read tons of stuff.
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>>100883633
I'm working my way through a few books from the early 1900's. My Japanese is no where near good enough to be reading natural Japanese before western literature affected it yet.
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>>100883910
何でぼけてるの?

>>100884048
漫画やラノベ読むしよ! 古い本で比べたら簡単だよ。
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goddamn

where do they get the images, though?
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>>100884405
舐りたい
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>>100884405
just answered my own question, they all come from the dreamtime page
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>>100884405
That white lady appears to have two Japanese people stuffed in her shirt
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>>100883681
Damn, I wish it wasn't already so late for me. Would watch otherwise
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Are there a bunch of Japanese people somewhere studying English so they can watch western TV shows?
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>>100885479
http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1369567802/
the jap equivalent of us
hilariously broken sentences and all
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>>100885479
Yes. And not just Japanese, people all over the world.
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>>100885666
I love how the thread derails completely within seven posts. They really are like us.
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>>100885666
>turns into /int/ within ten posts

Yup, that's us.
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>>100885666
>bulliedness, canncer surviviors, houses of sweets, houses of sweet family, sweet food and loss of our own teeth, roundness of my body,
面白いですね
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>I like Texas Oyaji. He is a person with good sense.
>Yesterday, his opinion about this issue appeared in an evening tabloid called Yukan Fuji.
>He criticized Caroline's remarks so severely that I wanted to give him a kiss.

Who is this guy? Texas Oyaji?
It is incredibly weird
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> I think Russia might be one hell of the place where spy is around.

>>100886233
some shitty youtube conservative that netouyo love to flock around
http://www.youtube.com/user/PropagandaBuster
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見てて恥ずかしくなる
日本人からしたら、俺の日本語があんなに不自然かも、と思うと…
まあ、それでもためらいなく話すよ
恥ずかしくたってしょうがないから
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>>100884405
いつもちゃん and her hard nipples is my favourite.
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>>100886477
are we talking about the same girl or don't you have a pic of her?
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>>100886477
エロ画像をカキコしてください
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>>100886546
2razy
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>>100886568
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>>100885666
Seems like the equivalent of /pol/, I wouldn't mind if it was more funny and less butthurt, but it's pretty much just butthurtedness all around.
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>>100885666
well it looks like they do the whole 'hate niggers but like black people' thing with 外人 and 害人

that's kind of cute.

guys do you think the rape of nanking happened or not?
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>>100886684
ありがとうでございます
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>>100886642
so healthy
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>>100886715
Of course not, idiot.
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>>100886684
>someone comes into your room to talk to you while you're doing reps
>that picture comes on
Every god damn time.
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>>100886715
I see no reason to doubt it did.

Not wanting to believe that one's countrymen have done terrible things is understandable, if not exactly commendable.
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>>100886684
>my little aniki can't be this good swimmer
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>>100886852
>>100886794
This is getting dangerously close to becoming an off-topic shitstorm.
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日本語でやれ
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>>100886931
ああ、なるほど!
日本語がファックしたいですな〜。
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>>100886900
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>>100886961
いや…
まあ、確かにやってみたいけど…
いやしかしそういう意味じゃ…
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>>100886900
Noted.

Deleting my post.
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>>100887004
はっきりしなさいよ!
ファックしたいの?!
したくないの?!
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>>100887076
anon! 落ち着いて! 怖いよ!
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>>100886408
そうだね。
僕も昔は「日本語がもっとうまくなったら会話の練習をしよう!」とか考えてたけど、会話をしない限り、日本語うまくならない。当然のことだけど、なぜかわからなかった。
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>>100887148
*フェドラを傾ける*
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fack you
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>>100887573
お願いします。
ケツに!ください〜
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Okay so roughly how many hours a day do I need to spend studying to be able to read at around a high school level by June?
I know about 200 Kanji and 300 vocab at the moment.
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>>100887648
You won't.

The only thing you'll achieve from trying that is a lot of disappointment and wanting to quit, which you probably will end up doing after.
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>>100887648
Um... yeah I don't know but 24 would be a good place to start. If you can't manage that then 18 I guess. Either way I don't see it happening but good luck.
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>>100887648
Instead of trying to force yourself to fit into arbitrary time frames, why don't you learn at a pace that is most effective for you, personally?
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>>100887689
18 hours a day could definitely get you good enough to read without a text hooker in that amount of time. Of course, that's still not exactly high school level since you'll still need to look up words. And it would require pretty much all of that time to be spent between reading and anki, with no time cooking, eating, posting on 4chan, or jerking off.
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>>100887827
That's implying that those 18 hours could be used effectively. I'd argue that on 6 hours of sleep consistently, even with drugs you won't get to a level that will satisfy what he wants in that time frame.
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Is it better to learn the kanji to meaning or just cram all the info (stroke order, what it means, and the big list of pronunciation it can have)

e.i. 雨- Rain, ウ、あめ、あま
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>>100887687
I won't quit I'm already determined to learn this language.

>>100887689
I need sleep unfortunately.

>>100887774
The thing is I need a ridiculous goal or a goal I can't achieve, it does help psychologically. Maybe lowering my goal would help.
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>>100887920
Make your goal to read either a full length VN, or three LN volumes by that time.
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I don't feel like I'm making progress. Is there anything else I should be doing aside from Anki, grammar study, and reading (while reviewing the grammar I forget as it comes up)?
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>>100887920
Maybe you don't realize how much shit you actually have to know to be equivalent to a native Japanese highschooler. It's a lot, like a fucking shit ton.
The vast majority of people who study languages for extended periods of time usually don't get to a level of fluency close to a near-adult native. It's essentially impossible without living in the country for many years.

Ambitious goals are good, but having completely unrealistic ones will only lead to disappointment
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>>100887910
lel, good luck reading things like 氷雨 村雨 五月雨 and 時雨 if those are the only readings you learn.
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>>100888020
Listening practice is good if you intend to watch anime raw or listen to radio shows or anything of that nature.

It's much easier to see your progress in hindsight, I recommend not thinking too much about progress if you can help it. If you stay consistent and actively work on improving then you're bound to end up improving.
You could try adding production in as well, try writing and having natives correct it or find some Nips to chat with.
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>>100888134
>learning every reading in existence for all kanji because it might be used in one word that you may see
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>>100888134
You're mean
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>>100887976
Reading a full length VN would be good I suppose.

>>100888040
I guess I misunderstood really, my real goal is just to be able to read Japanese media and maybe understand raw anime. I just thought knowing up to a high school level was that.
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>>100888232
High schools can actually read them. You're gonna start out cheating your way through them.
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Alright thank you anons.
I'm going to start studying now.
Any good first VN recommendation to read in Japanese would be appreciated.
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>>100888232
>understand raw anime
took me 2 years to do that. studied a lot initially but all I do these days is watch anime.
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>>100888374
Living the dream
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>>100888232
Having native-like knowledge can only really come from exposing yourself to gigantic amounts of real Japanese. But being able to read at a highschool level doesn't mean that you're as fluent as a highschooler -- I think that I misunderstood what you were originally saying.

I'd recommend practicing your reading speed/endurance early on. Reading Japanese can be really exhausting, it took me a while to be able to read for anything longer than 20 minutes or so.
If you go too fast you may have more trouble remembering what you learned making your progress even slower. Balance and commitment are more important then raw speed.
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do you like old japanese music?

I think they have decent taste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGHDrlvypWg
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>>100888354
http://vndb.org/v1292
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>>100888146
Any recommendations for listening practice? I'll occasionally Japanese shows playing in the background, but that's mainly for immersion.
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>>100888429
When you're starting out listening practice is pretty useless unless you have text to go along with it. Which means it's either japanese subbed drama/anime, or voiced VNs. Your vocab just isn't enough for anything else to be efficient.

Once you can read basic level conversations comfortably (maybe N2 level vocab?) then it's a good idea to start on pure listening
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>>100888429
There's apparently a starcraft tournament in 10 minutes and there's a LoL tournament going on on the same website. >>100883681 May be worth checking out if you have any interest.

If not, there's some relatively easy things on Youtube that have good visual aids that can help ease you into spoken Japanese if you're unfamiliar with it. Subtitled anime is also a pretty good way to get into it.
Overall, find something you like and keep at it until it stops sounding like noise.
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>>100888374
Nice.

>>100888402
Yeah exactly, I wasn't too clear myself don't worry. With hiragana I can read decently, but katakana is a nightmare for me. I'll keep that in mind when I'm reading not too overdo it.

>>100888419
Anon it's like you know me.
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>>100888413
懐かしい
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>>100888413
That's not very old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGV08K75DRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJU9p36p6Uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKNpx-CPqwk
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>>100888413
もう一回!
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>>100888592
This one is good too: http://vndb.org/v10112
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>>100888618
That's not very old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqR7I3xrlGo&t=7m30s
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俺は日本になります
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>>100889116
そう?日本の俺を相手するにわ八百万年早いけど
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>>100889040
wow I remembered this adorable song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ggJquImms
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>>100867244
No they don't.
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>>100889264
Everyone on /po/ is a Japanese master
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にやり
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アタシの口にチンポを行きますですね
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>>100891813
What is this and how do I proceed to marry her?
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>>100891813
ああいう素敵な女性に罵って欲しいのは俺だけか?
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>>100892682
はい、逝ってください
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>>100892828
目をファックしたい!!
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>>100894041
キモイです、 どっかいってよ
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Can anyone help me with some katakana bullshit? It's probably esoteric but I'm not quite sure why some transliterations are Xァ instead of just X. For example:
>キャットウォーク
>Catwalk

I think I've seen it for Champion as well, it doesn't quite make sense to me and 11s I've asked who are fairly good at English don't really know either. I asked a couple about this and ヴ and other shit and they're like nigga it's とても難しいです and used as a mixture.

>>100888413
>古い
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2D_cV3lZIo
enka a shit, avoid that though.
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>>100894187
>キモイです
キモチイイです(´・ω・`)
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http://youtu.be/bDL8yu34fz0
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>>100894408
まぁまぁまぁまぁ
おっとっとっと
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おーおっぱいですかい?( ´゚д゚`)アチャー
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>>100895650
(ヽ´ω`)ハァ…
(.) (.)
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>>100888040
>It's essentially impossible without living in the country for many years.
No. Khatz dispelled that myth a long time ago.
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>>100896150
I'm talking about near native level proficiency. It'd be harder to get the level of exposure required for that without living in the country then it would be to just move to that country.
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>>100896385
Anyone with basic computer proficiency can get that level of exposure.
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>>100896433
There's clearly a misunderstanding here. Whatever your definition of near native proficiency must not be anything like mine.
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可愛いJKの彼女どうやって作るんだい
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>>100896468
You don't need to live in Japan to get native proficiency. That doesn't make sense.
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>>100896871
I'm sure it's possible, but getting the actual amount of exposure you'd need would take a very long time, as well you'd have to go out of your way and explicitly spend thousands of hours producing.
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The question is, if you're not living in Japan, why would you need native level proficiency?
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>>100897016
That's a good point. Very few people do get near a native level with a second language that's as significantly different from their native one as Japanese is to English. You'd be able to read everything you'd ever want to long before approaching native level.
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i'd really like to successfully install at least ONE FUCKING VISUAL NOVEL
now i remember why i stopped playing games
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>>100896975
Not really, but it depends what you mean by "very long time". You could just read 15-30 novels and play video games for a couple years and only talk to Japanese people. It can be done in 4 years with an SRS and a lot of work if you count passing N1 as half of that.
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>>100894408
http://youtu.be/EUvpMhw5ALw
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>>100866377
>77
I believe you anon. I believe you.
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>>100897251
And do you think reading 30 novels will get you to a near native level? I don't think you can really achieve the same level of proficiency as someone has spent the last 20 years using the language all day every day in such a short time with that amount of exposure.

But at this point, it's just my opinion based on what I know about second language acquisition, I don't have any real data to work off of here.
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>>100897417
If you can read 30 novels you will have near that level of proficiency, however that time-frame is impossible without the SRS in my opinion. The SRS is the enabling factor.
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>>100897482
'Novel' is also pretty vague. I have a novel in 4 parts that's over 2,000 pages sitting on my shelf, because Japanese people love splitting books up. And another novel that's only about 200 pages.
I see what you're saying, but I don't know if by reading that much you'll develop the same kind of 'feeling' that natives have. When a native writes or reads in their language, they don't think about the words or the grammatical structure, it pretty much just happens automatically.
Although, after having a lot of input if you did have extensive contact with native speakers then I can see how those skills may potentially be able to start developing.
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Do Japanese subs for Kill La Kill exist?
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For your vocab decks, do you guys study cards both Japanese word -> English meaning and English meaning -> Japanese word or is it more constructive to do blocks of studying all one way or the other?
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>>100898512
It's not the easiest show to watch with subs, try some KyoAni shit or kids shows instead:
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles/japanese/&sort=date&order=desc
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Can someone explain the ん sound that's sometimes heard in some phrases like "ちがうんです!"? Is the ん actually written or is it one of those instances where the Japanese "soften" their pronunciation of a word (similar to how が can be heard pronounced んが)? Does anyone know if this phenomena has a name?

>>100871733
You must not be motivated enough. Stop talking about learning Japanese and discussing anime and get to actually learning and being able to at least read 4koma and fanart.

>>100875891
>It's all about tastes. Anything is easy if you really, really want to know what is being said
>You just have to find the thing that gives you the weeb boner to drill through to the heavens.
This, 100%. Listening to the "easy stuff" isn't actually easy if you don't really feel motivated by or interested in it. I've been chipping away at eps of KlK which probably would be considered no-good for someone wanting to work on their listening comprehension. Last week's ep took me 4 days to get through raw, but I got a lot out of it and had fun. That takes love and dedication.

>>100876188
>Listening is inexact. The more words and expressions you know, the more easily you can pick things up when they are muffled or spoken really quickly.
It's not just that: Having some understanding of how the language works/sounds and following context are also big helps in picking out words.
>If you don't know what word they're saying and you try to just get it by sound, you may end up getting it completely wrong. You may even find something that seems to fit in context, and yet still be totally wrong.
This is where "learning from your mistakes" kicks in, provided one actually checks their work (by turning on subs).
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>>100899395
Give the ん a little mouseover and refresh yourself on the explanatory の.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles
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>>100899395
~んです / ~のだ is an informal form of ~のです / ~のだ, if that's what you're referring to.
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Does anyone else sometimes resort to slowing down the audio when trying to pick out what's being said in a show?

>>100898512
I haven't been able to find any. That's the one thing I need for my learning experience to be complete. I hear the DVD/BDs (will) have subs.

>>100898780
>It's not the easiest show to watch with subs, try some KyoAni shit or kids shows instead
You're not exactly helping, anon.
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how would you translate this:

私を粗末にした
罰です ?

"I was in poor me punishment"? does it mean that she was "in the wrong" and was punished or more of a "oh, poor me, I got punished"?
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齷齪
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>>100900559
This is your punishment for treating me poorly

i don't get the ? at the end
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>>100900731
ありがとう!

the ? was mine
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Is なお in tweets meant to be "now" or 尚?
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>>100901448
なう means now. なお means なお. Though there's always the possibility of mistyping I guess.
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>>100897482
>If you can read 30 novels you will have near that level of proficiency,
No you won't. You won't even be at a native level in reading, much less speaking and writing. You're clearly underestimating native speakers.

And 30 novels within 4 years is completely feasible without SRS.
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>>100901448
>>100901580
Cool and hip youngsters use 「Xなう」 to mean that they are currently at place X
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>>100902109
Hopefully they eventually decide to be so hip that they just post in english.
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>>100898512
Where do you even get japanese subs in general?
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>>100885666
>Get out of here you fucking Korean
It makes me laugh every single time.
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>>100885827
No it isnt. At least they're shitposting in English while most people here are too lazy to do it in Japanese.
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How are you supposed to memorize how to write 2000+ Kanji? Unless you write a fair amount (of sentences) each day I just don't see how you would retain all of it.
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>>100905557

You learn how to write the radicals and then just memorize how they're put together.
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揶揄を持ちこたえなければ出てけ
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>>100905557
You do you learn to spell 2000+ words? Unless you write a fair amount of sentences I just don't see how you would retain all of it.
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>>100905716
誰に言ってるの…?
確かに/a/には毒舌な人が多いよね
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>>100906188
what deck?
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>>100905727
>You do you learn to spell 2000+ words
The thing with English is that in most cases you can sound out a word. Can't do that in Japanese. Not to mention Kanji != words
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>>100906248
My own
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>>100906366
Is it from JLPT 5 to 1?
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>>100885666
Guess the Japanese are in fact NOT hentai
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>>100906491
No, it's just cards I added on to the KD anki deck. I've already posted it to the DJT before if you're interested in using it
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>>100905557
Are you having trouble, or are you just asking from curiosity? The short answer is that while each kanji is unique, the small parts that make up each character are repeated in different combinations in a wide variety of different characters. So most of the time you're just learning a different combo of parts, each of which you've seen dozens of times before.
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>>100906604

You made this?
https://mega.co.nz/#!x0MS3bCK!fXsSGhIo3dpHgR2C-hybMASwYolZM6oFftcFF__kYFY

What else are you adding to it?
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>>100906604
Yeah, can you post link?
I'm studying 日本語 for about half of the year and my only source for kanji was kanji senpai for android, but now, I'm interested in anki.
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>>100906715
>You made this?

yes

>What else are you adding to it?

I add whatever kanji I encounter while reading various sites/VNs, etc. I've slowed down recently though and only added around 160 new ones since I posted that deck. Once I get to 3000 I'll post an update.
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>>100906691
>Are you having trouble, or are you just asking from curiosity
Both. I was stupid and didn't work on handwriting when I first began. So now I can recognize/read a whole ton of kanji but can only write a handful.
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>>100906794

See >>100906715
but that's a deck meant to fill the gaps Kanjidamage left.

Finish this deck first:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/894796796
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>>100888413
...I like きのこ帝国
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>>100906361
Sorry, what you meant to say is
>Thuh thing with Aynglish is that in most cases you can sound out a word. Can't doo that in Japanees. Not to menshun kanji != words
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ハロー/a/,ブログの時間ですよ!

今日はですね、お茶がなくなっちゃったんですけど、寒すぎて、コンビにに歩くのは大変でしょ!嫌ですよ~自殺して来ます!
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>>100907010
The mnemonic method from RTK or kanjidamage is designed with writing in mind. You use the mnemonic to recall the components individually, then all you have to do is remember how to put them together. Personally, it never worked for me, but I am not too concerned with writing by hand, so no biggie. It makes me feel really dumb when I can't recall what a character looks like even after seeing it 1000 times though, so at some point I might try learning to write in earnest...
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>>100907122
>Aynglish
You some kind of hick or something?
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>>100907345
かなり狂ったブログ記事ですね
もうちょっと落ち着いてもらいたいところですけど
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>can read over 1500 kanji
>can't write 私 from memory

ワープロ馬鹿です。
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>>100907519
that's disgusting anon you should be able to at least write 私
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>>100907519
That is one specific fucking term.
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>>100907927

Not that specific, it just has no direct English equivalent so you have to describe the word rather then translate it. Plus it's internet speak.

It's like putting "buyfag: a person who needlessly pays money for digital goods that can easily be gotten for free; a person who collects anime figurines" in a dictionary.
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Do you guys buy any study books to look over?
I've been studying for about 7 (almost 8) years now since I was 14 years old and took it for GCSE at school.

These are the books I've got used and find useful over the years.
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>>100908258
シナモンたんかわいい
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>>100908258
There's like 3 that are actually useful in there and one of them is irrelevant because of the internet. I don't even see a proper J-J dictionary or even a j-e one that isn't shit.

That said, I have a small pile of books that are even worse because I didn't know better than to never pay for anything at the time.
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>>100908258
books that you don't buy with the explicit intent of supporting the author/artist are a waste of money
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What do you guys do for your reps? I just got to the point where I can read kana fine and have been trying different ways to go about kanji vocab the past few days.

I make a 20-card deck for each, and practice writing the kanji ten times each, though I'm still not particularly good with writing them from memory even after that. Is that a decent way to go about it? Is there anything else I should be doing for improvement? It might be a bit early for me to look into grammar, but I don't know.
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>>100908682
kanji & vocab
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>>100908682
I do the anki core decks, but as I repeat the phrase, I write it. Every kanji, even if it isn't the one being taught. So phrases that contain jukugo like 就職試験 are a real pain in the ass. But after a few days reviewing, you get to see is actually worth it, specially if you can divide the word in other jukugo.
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>>100908902
That's a great idea anon, thanks, I'll start doing that.
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>>100909110
I keep doing it because i've stuck with it so far, but I don't really think is a good idea. Reviews of only 100 cards may take you an hour. And the core decks, from 3 onward start throwing up really weird jukugo, and a lot of them on the same phrase. Like, that one, その事件の犯人はまだ捕まっていない, there you have to practice 犯人 and 捕まる.
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>>100908682
repsなんてしないよ。俺の練習は、アニメを見て、分からない言葉を辞書で調べとく。怠け者なんだから、それだけだ。ちゃんと漢字を勉強する情熱は、あんまりなさそうだ。。。
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>>100909353
It might be a good idea with some background knowledge in radicals.

Writing it might also be a good idea to do only when you first see the card and when you're going to hit 2, 3, or 4.
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>>100908519
プリキュアのメップルみたいだよなー
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>>100908612
What ones do you think are good?
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>>100909353
>>100909588
I'm a NEET anyways so it's not like I have anything better to do.
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>>100909588
俺も
ankiは、一ヶ月くらいやったけど、めんどくさくてやめた
結局必要なかった、好きなもの読んでるだけで漢字を覚えたから
それに、文法なら、ankiはまったく役に立たないからね
ankiの成績を自慢する人を見るとにやけてしまうけど、まあ、楽しければなんでもいいんだね、としか言えない
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>>100910005
そんな考え方は賛成だけど、俺の読む能力はまだ小学生と同じぐらいだから少し恥かしい。

だけど日本語の読み物は、興味を持っている物が別にないからしょうがないな。言葉の発音とか使い方はよく覚えとくけど、漢字は面倒。

日本に旅行するチャンスがあったら、本気で漢字の勉強を始めたくなるかも。
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Something isn't right here. Is this just another case of handwriting differing slightly from printed fonts or is it a rendering error?
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I'm practicing writing 管 right now, and it's such a fucking smug piece of shit. I can't stand looking at it. It just looks down on me with that condescending fucking look, goddamn.

It doesn't help that I can't for the lift of me get the proportions right.
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>>100908612
What J-J dictionary and what J-E dictionary do you guys recommend then?
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>>100911508
If you're writing in a college-rule notebook, that's half the problem unless you're using two lines to write or have a micron pen and a steady hand. Otherwise it's just a matter of making it look like you don't give a fuck while following some basic ratios and angles.
http://daigotorena.moo.jp/lesson/bushu-kanmuri.htm
This helped me immensely with writing better and faster.

>>100911642
The internet. It's always up to date and free. Paper dictionaries are only good if you like learning words while looking for other ones. If you must buyfag a dead tree, the 新明解国語辞典 has some amusing definitions and the Green Goddess is the only j-e dictionary that has real definitions instead of vague, shitty glosses with no context, if I remember correctly.

There's also the Daijiten which is basically the OED at 20 volumes and has etymologies and first recorded use. It's overkill unless you're doing classcial textual analysis, though.
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>>100912120
Yeah I'm using a college-rule notebook. Is the standard Japanese equivalent for writing something close to two lines of space? I'll probably make them bigger then. Also thanks for that literature, I'll definitely read over that.
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Who Skype here? I need learning partners without the distraction of listening to 50 people in this thread.
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>join the irc
>no one saying anything
>some people just leave
Why
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>>100912446
であんたと話す甲斐が?
キモオタには興味がないですけど
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>>100912265
It's just hard to learn how to write properly on a small space. Once you get better and use a finer pen, you can make kanji fit in half the space, but first you have to master proportions, which is much easier with handwritten forms as they usually get bigger at the bottom.
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>>100912680
Cool alright, I'll start big then. I started doing all this because I thought it might be a fun way to learn kanji. It's probably going to take fucking forever to get through them all, but at the same time when I see one I've written before in a juukugo, I instantly recognize it.
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>>100912549
キモくないオタクならばどうだ
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>>100912446
具体的に何をして欲しいんだ
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>>100913000
そんなものは存在しない
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>>100913094
決まってるでしょ
ヴァーチャルセックスって言うやつだ
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>>100913094
Some learning partners that aren't absolute beginners.
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>>100913103
ならばそういうお前はどうだ。自分もキモオタというのか?
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>>100913239
ああ
自分は最低な鬼畜で御座る
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>>100913163
日本語でやるならそれも勉強の内に入るか

んー
ないね。
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>>100912446
誰でもがそんなことをするか分からない
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>>100913356
なぜキモオタが同じキモオタと話すのを嫌がるのか
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>>100913239
耳がほてる。ケモヲタだ。君も獣人セックスが大好きの?
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>>100913478
理屈が分からない
自分は基地外だとしても同じような基地外と話さなければならないわけがあるとでも言うのか
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The reps are building up, /djt/. Is there any way to set Anki to do them in two sittings?
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>>100913785
Leave halfway though and come back. I just do it on my phone throughout the day so it looks like I'm texting someone and don't have to talk to anybody.
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How do I wide text?
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>>100914015
You don’t.
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なんだか今日は日本語うまく話せないんだよね。普通ならもうちょっとこう、簡単かつ自然に言葉が口から流れ出るはずなのに、最近あんまり本読んでないでゲームばっかりやってたせいかもあるのか、話そうとしてもどうしてもうまくいかない。

気をつけてね、皆。日本語毎日使わないと腕が恐ろしい速度で下がってしまうそうだぞ
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>>100914281
俺はそんな心配がない
だって天才だもん
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>>100914254
アノン-くんひどい
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>>100914281
何かをはやく忘れる場合は大体、そもそもそれほどうまくなかったということだ
このスレの連中はほとんどエロゲ、ラノベ、アニメなどの消極的方法でしか日本語を勉強しないから、会話を「まぁまぁ」できるようになっても本当にうまくなることはない
でも、そのせいで読解力はガチでうまくなって、数月間、もしかして数年間の休憩を取っても読めなくなることはないと思う

日本人といっぱい会話して、日本語を本当にうまく話せるようになれば、休憩をとると話せなくなるような心配はないだろう
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Call me a slowpoke but I just realised that Shinobu from Monogatari's name is 忍, her long as fuck name is Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade.

>Heart-Under-Blade
>忍
>心 under 刃
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>>100916404
それはそれぞれのタイプに因ると思う。言語の才能を持っている人は、休憩をとってもあまり出来なくならないかみしれないのに、同じような能力を持っている、休憩を取ると忘れちゃう人もいるんだ。だけどどうしても、練習すればするほど、うまくなくなる可能性が低くなるよな。
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>>100917350
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Meme even explains this explicitly at one point. Though I don't remember if that was in Kizu or Bake.
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>>100917350
le nisioisin doz it agean
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>>100917766
>>100918132
It's in Bake but I didn't know Kanji at that time, no bully pls ;_
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女の子になりたい
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>>100920289
残念ながら無理です。一度男に生まれてしまった以上は、一生男として過ごさなければいけないのです。
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>>100920289
おれも、しかし変身の棒がない
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>>100920289
俺は同じように思っているけど、チンポが付いた女になりたいんだ。じゃなければ、他の女とセックス出来ないよ。
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>>100920579
秘訣が服です。服さえ着ていれば、なんとか自分が男であることを忘れられます。とくに女の子らしい、たとえドレスとかスカートとかフリルとかが付いてる奴が効果的と思われます。後は、紙も伸ばすといいでしょう。
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>>100920289
でもね、アノンちゃん
男の体に生れたってことは、整理が来ないわけだよ
それに、立派な穴がちゃんと用意してあるから、自由に使っていいよ?
自分の幸せを自分なりに追いかけてほしいんだ
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>>100920814
女の子同士じゃすックスできないとでも抜かすかバカめ
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>>100920814
女の子同士がお互いを愛せないというのか?
ざけんな。俺が女の子になったら、お前の馬鹿げた観念がどれほど間違ってるか見せてやる
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>>100921143
任せるよ。見せてほしいわ~
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しっかしねぇ、女っていいよな……男とは違って顔さえ良ければモテモテなんだよな。毎日アニメに没頭して男に養ってもらえればきっと幸せなんだよな。
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>>100920874
そうだね。でも実は秘訣がセロテープと思う。
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I was wondering what "slap your shit" means.
Is it the same as "slap your poop"?
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女の子を嵌めたい
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>>100921287
いい男を見つければ、ね
騙されて捨てられて、散々な目に合うかもしれない
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>>100921437
ボコボコにしてやる
と、いう意味ですね。友達が増えてるみたいでよかったですね。
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私は馬の尿を飲みたい~
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>>100921749
ただでさえ尿が飲みたいというだけでとんだ変態になるのに、それが馬の尿となると、もはや言語道断だ
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>>100921749
尿か…ふむふむ…精液は?
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>>100922036

My level isn't enough to understand it, 先生
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>>100922128
本人ではないが、男の尿が飲みたいといったんじゃないでしょ。後は仮に精液が飲みたいとしても、自分のを飲めばいいだけでしょ。
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>>100922253
>男の尿
オス馬って事?
うん、言ってないけど、確かめたかったから、聞いたんだ
あと、言っとくけど、自分の精液を飲むのと、口に出されてごっくんするのと、格が違うんだよ
自分のに別に興味がないけど、味見するぐらいで飲んだことがある
でも、好きな人のを飲むのを想像すると興奮しちゃうよ
ごめん、説明になってない気がする
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行かないと飯にありつけないからな

What's the ありつけない here?
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>>100924592
Install rikaichan
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>>100924797
I don't want a machines help, since it will just assume it's some random root of ある when it's clearly a phrase but it seems to apply to finding a job or some shit.
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>>100924946
No, it will tell you.
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>>100924946
>since it will just assume it's some random root of ある

You're dumb
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>>100924946
its the first result. Rikaichan is actually pretty good at recognition
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>>100924946
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>>100925094
Isn't the the same as using a machine translation? I thought that was looked down around here.
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>>100925159
You're right, we should use telepathy to figure out the meaning of words we don't know
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>>100925159
Rikai-chan is a dictionary. It does not translate anything for you. It just looks up words when you hover over them.
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How can I make it so that Google IME is automatically in Kana when I switch to it? How can I make a hotkey to switch from Hiragana and Katakana? I tried doing it myself but I couldn't come across anything.
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>>100925217
I thought the common practice was to learn all your vocab first and then read.

>>100925236
Well if you ask anyone else they'll tell you it's a crutch.
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>>100925311
Alt or Ctrl + capslock switches kana and deleting the english keyboard option and just using english mode with Alt+ ~ is so much faster.
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Is Anki for iOS worth the cash? Or are there better third-party flashcard apps that integrate with your anki account?
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>>100925405
>Well if you ask anyone else they'll tell you it's a crutch.
[citation needed]
As he said, it's nothing more than a dictionary that's slightly faster than cuntpasting.
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>>100925405
>learn all your vocab first and then read

If you're trying to be funny I'm not seeing it.
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>>100925405
>Well if you ask anyone else they'll tell you it's a crutch.
It is a crutch. And you're a cripple.
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>>100925468
Figured it out. Ctrl and caps goes to Hiragana. Alt and caps goes to Katakana. Ctrl and ~ goes to whatever Kana you were on last and back to English. Thanks.

Does anyone know why the Rikaisama dictionary page won't come up?
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>>100925971

Disable and reenable Rikai if it doesn't work.

It also doesn't like the frontpage if you have Appchan.
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>>100925619
Hey man I type out all my lines by hand who the hell can even copy paste without tools and hookers.

>>100925638
I'm being serious that's what I was taught.

>>100925902
I thought this thread was for learning Japanese not stand up comedy.
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>>100926029
I was talking about

rikaichan.mozdev.org/getdic2.html?version=20.2
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>>100925468
Also, what's halfwidth and fullwidth supposed to be?
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>>100926212
ハルフ fullwidth. Kana should be fullwidth and english halfwidth or they look retarded.
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>>100926389
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>>100926389
aaa aaa aa
アアア アアアア
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I can't find this kanji on the dictionary and I feel retarded because I know it's not a complicated one.
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>>100926389
I see no difference between full and halfwidth English.
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>>100926805
You're probably using Linux then.
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>>100926719
Looks like 重. If everything fails, Google Translate has handwriting recognition. It's not very good, but can save you if you just can't find a kanji.
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>>100926828
Nope. Windows 7. jjj is that half width English? Because I typed that in fullwidth. The difference is when I pressed space twice, it went back to normal. But when I use halfwidth English, the font doesn't change at all
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>>100926952
Those j's are full-fith, and appear to be so too.
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>>100926976
Fucking weird. Whatever, I'll just stick to full width for both as they both seem the most normal.

Show me what halfwidth and fullwidth j's look to you.
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>>100926909
Yes, it was that one. Thanks for the advice.
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>>100926671
Wow, first time I've ever seen 顰蹙 actually used in a real sentence. I figured it was one of those fake words they invented just to scare gaijin.
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>>100925311
Isn't it always automatically in kana? Hiragana first then you can switch to Katakana with alt+caps lock (or control + caps lock, they seem to work intermittently with me)
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So how do I do the little tsu? The one that's used to strain the next character?
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>>100927516
ltu
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>>100927557
いつ is what it gave me.
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>>100927579
come on dude
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>>100927625
I'm seriously pressing every key I can.
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>>100927516
xtu

"tu" is a superior romanization to "tsu"
I would get in the habit of using it
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>>100927579
Type x before the character to get a little version

neexe haxa
かんたんじゃねえぇ?はぁ?
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>>100927720
Nevermind. I found it. It's tt on the keyboard.
つ = tsu
っ = the strain
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>>100927810
At least call it the 促音 or geminate consonant mark.
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>>100927810
Well it's tt if you wanted to write a word that had a doubled t like 行って, but xtsu is the way to get the character itself.
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>>100928063
Anyone else found out L does the same thing by trying to be racist with the IME?
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>>100928212
I don't understand.
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>>100928212
You're right actually I never noticed that, I figured that L would go to らりれるろ or something.
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>>100928245
Raikuh yoo figuya tsatuh za ERU key iz za seimuh asuh za ARU key.
>>100928355
Who are the patriots?
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>>100928413
>Raikuh yoo figuya tsatuh za ERU key iz za seimuh asuh za ARU key.
片言英語を分からない。
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>>100928413
>Raikuh yoo figuya tsatuh za ERU key iz za seimuh asuh za ARU key.

Please don't type like this. Also I still don't get it.
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>>100928413
I have a Japanese lecturer at Uni who talks like that. When she speaks English it genuinely sounds like everything is being pronounced through Katakana
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>>100928553
He's saying that L does the same thing as X.

Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.
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>>100928735
>Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

Indeed. If you had a better grasp of it you'd be aware that I was asking what he meant with "being racist with IME" rather than the fact that the l key does the same thing.
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>>100928823
he thought he was being funny
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>>100928654
It's one of the hardest things for japanese people to overcome. It's also why I die a little inside when a book says that any part of している or です or any word, really is completely de-voiced.
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>>100928823
In relation to ever using the L key in japanese, it's pretty obvious.
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How far into Tae Kim's guide should I begin to try to read? Been looking through the reading list, not sure if I could handle anything.
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>>100928823
I don't know what I'm supposed to infer from someone who just replies "I don't understand" or "I don't get it" to a statement I found easy to parse. I just assume you're dense.
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>>100929532
It helps to read the whole thing just so you know where to refer to when you come across what you don't understand. The reading list is fucked anyway because the biggest list of things that are easy to read is just "any shonen jump". See also, >>100875891
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>>100928983
I only learned about pitch accent recently and it's really been bugging me, I have a lot of difficulty hearing the pitch in natural speech. When I look it up I can hear the difference between http://www.forvo.com/word/%E9%AB%AA/#ja and http://www.forvo.com/word/%E7%A5%9E/#ja but on the spot when I hear the word I don't really notice the difference in pitch.
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>>100925589
I always study in the toilet, i find it easier to concentrate for some reason
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>>100930243
It's not a huge deal, most would still understand what you're saying.
It's not like Chinese where a wrong pitch completely changes the word.
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No one knows why this page doesn't work?
rikaichan.mozdev.org/getdic2.html?version=20.2
How should I get a dictionary for Rikaisama if I can't use it?
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>>100930529
mozdev has been down for days now. I'll upload the dictionary I have as soon as I can find where firefox puts it.
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>>100930920
>>100930529
http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/
nevermind, just get it from here.
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>>100930243
Just listen to more speech and you'll pick up on it. I never studied or dwelt on it and it came naturally (I know that some people have a ridiculous amount of trouble with it compared to others, but practice solves everything)

I do think it's a huge deal if you ever want to talk to an actual Japanese person without sounding like a caricature. But yeah, not if you don't.
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>>100921437
Seen the pic of that discussion before, anon. Nice try.

>>100911508
Take your time and keep at it, anon. Are you exercising proper stroke order? It might also help to write it on gridded paper.
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>>100930984
Thanks a bunch.
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>>100930440
Isn't it like the equivalent of stressing incorrectly in English? Like I wouldn't hate on someone for it but I don't want to sound silly. I kind of have this feeling that because everyone speaks English, it means that we're very used to hearing really shit English spoken by Eastern Europeans or French people or whatever, thus we are relatively used to hearing bad English, the Japanese wouldn't be the same in this regard, I don't really know if that's actually just a load of bullshit that I've made up to scare myself into thinking that I sound like an idiot.

Hopefully I'll get it with time.
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>>100931058
Just curious, what's your native language?
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>>100928983
I didn't understand what you meant here. What are you saying about している or です?
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>>100932248
As long as you aren't trying to squeeze your way into the culture and fuck with the collective hivemind the average person is hooked into, they're usually genuinely surprised you can say anything at all.

People with more exposure and those who have been abroad don't expect shit and may have enough rudeness in them to politely pronounce it properly. But no matter what you say or how you say it, never forget your set phrases or they think you're a serial killer.
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>>100930243
Okay so those two mean different things. Jesus Christ, thank the Lord. I was worried, thinking that they both meant the same thing but it's just a different accent.
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Hey this is my first Japanese thread. Interested in learning the language and just read the volition. Does /a/ recommend this guide?
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かみ
かっみ
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>>100933126
A lot of resources will tell you that it's 'shteru' and 'dess' but even with heavy slurring in dense slang, there's always the tiniest bit of a vowel in there. Like this little hiccup at the end of every mora. Natives notice when you omit it entirely.

And just to fuck with your listening if you haven't already noticed it, sometimes を IS うぉ depending on the person and the dialect.
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>>100933748
So how would している
be technically, according to the book, pronounced? Shiteru?
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I'm a noob at Japanese, I wanna check this real quick. Is this correct? 僕 はペンを借りてもいいですか?
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>>100934117
i think??? it's
に instead of は
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>>100933737
かみの神様
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>>100934338
Yeah and apparently it's spelled the same way to describe hair; just the Kanji are different. Fuck, this is going to be a 'long', 'long' road.
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>>100934435
u wot m8? Just pay attention to the context of the conversation and you wont confuse the two.
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>>100934597
Yeah but still having to learn different Kanji because of the many homophones in Japanese is troublesome.
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>>100933944
However a native says it. There's a lot of room and a lot of dialects, but there's always a vowel in their mouth, even when they think there isn't.

The problem is that outside of linguists and speech therapists, what either a native or a foreigner believes they are hearing is usually dead wrong. Most teachers of both english and japanese aren't really aware of these things and can't teach phonics worth shit because of it.
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>>100934255
this is me, Is this correct??
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>>100934767
Seems like it.
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>>100926107
>I'm being serious that's what I was taught.
So you were taught incorrectly, you're bitter about it, and now you want to spread as much bad information as possible.
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>>100888413
my favorite is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysSSiFffKh8
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くそに僕が
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>>100934937
I'm not sure you know how to say what you're trying to say.
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>>100934937
Are you using google translate? Be honest.
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What is vi and v5r? I'm pretty sure one is u-verb and one is ru-verb but I'm not sure which is which.
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>>100934937
I know this is the incorrect way of saying it and I have no idea how to actually say it. You should really work on your Japanese.
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>http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/Conjugation.php
Holy shit this is a lot to digest. Not to mention all the fucking romaji
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>>100934937
why is the my cat from hell guy here
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>>100935113
vi is intransitive and v5 is 五段 (-u verb). The r means it's a godan ending in -ru. v1 are 一段 (ru) verbs. I don't know who decided that u ru shit was less confusing than 2 numbers.
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ちち
おうとさん
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俺の娘ゆいです
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA
It's just like watching djt study.
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>>100935792
俺の娘のなまえわゆいです
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>>100935818
That. is. adorable.
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>>100935818
>Dat culture
Why couldn't I have been raised in Japan?
Until I moved to the West
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>>100935818
whats with all the annoying tv personalities on jap tv
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>>100936613
Surrogate friends, nippons are really lonely.
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>>100936613
What do you mean?
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>>100935818
Anybody willing to share other halfway interesting shows that have real people and lots of subtitles? Whenever I go diving all I find are variety shit with people that aren't funny or actual comedians that go way over my head.
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>>100935818
>まもってあげる

my heart
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>>100935818
>守ってあげる
>大丈夫だよ
>さいかが守る
>持ってあげようか
>大丈夫、泣かないでね
Dat bro imouto, man.
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>>100935818
Their mom's a milf
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How long did it take for hiragana to "click" for you?
I can't really read it well, I am very slow and read out loud.
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>>100937337
I'd like an answer on this too. I just want to know when you start to be able to read it without having to think about every letter.
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>>100937337
>hiragana to "click" for you
There is no such thing, just like when you learned to read as a kid it takes practice.
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>>100937392
Go play pokemon. You become a kana master by the time you get to the second gym. Constant exposure is key.
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>>100935818
>Kiwi for making the meat more tender
Is that for real?
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カタカナカタナ
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>>100937473
Is this...a joke?
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>>100937337
It never clicked, it just got progressively easier as I practiced.
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>>100937628
刀タ刀ナ刀タナ
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>>100937628
Are you proud of this? Are you fucking sorry? You just ruined my ENTIRE NIGHT. THE WHOLE FUCKING THING WITH YOUR GOD DAMN PUN. FUCK YOU AND YOUR KATANA.
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>>100937473
Godfuckingdammit moot. I'm starting to think he gets a little notification every time a picture is switched and laughs his jew ass off.

>>100937703
Playing pokemon? Absolutely serious. The picture? It's one of 4chan's many hilarious 'bugs'.
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>>100935290
Is this any good?
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>>100937473
>second gym
>constant exposure
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>>100935818
2:21
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サムライチャンプルー
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/エイ/- アニメトマンガ
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>>100938882
ナイスカタカナM八
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>>100938741
>>100938882
I sure do miss the kana days. Have your fun. It's the last time you ever will ;_;
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>それ感じいつ
would that be right?
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>>100939117
If the people I stalk on twitter is any indication, you just append 気がする on the end of whatever it is.
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>>100939165
>彼女じゃない気がする
That's the best I can do
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>>100939117
Not at all.
Trying to translate word for word shows that you have no idea how languages work in general.
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>>100939370
貴様の母はビッチ
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>>100939324
>お風呂に入ってて気がついた。ずっと前に家出していた腹筋が控えめに帰ってきた。(気がする)
This is the best example I found lurking, and not all 気がする's carry the same meaning.
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>>100937473
I have the pokemon GBA games, but they're american retail. Are there language settings to set it to Japanese?
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>>100939370
You can't exactly translate letters
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>>100939634
Nope. You'll probably be best off emulating them.
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>>100939634
You can always emulate and pirate. The newest Pokémon games have options for Japanese (both kana and kanji) if I remember correctly.
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>>100939682
Here, I used one of the secret power words for finding things and this was the first link. とは is some powerful shit, so use it carefully.
http://www.inippon.jp/2013/04/that-feel-when-no-gf.html
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>>100938961
アリガトウゴザイマス
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お・や・す・み(´・ω・`)
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>>100935818
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>>100940761
お休みでんこちゃん
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There any good apps for Japanese on androids?
I've got anki and a tae kim book, but I'm trying to find more stuff that I can mess with during breaks at work or in transit.
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>>100940994
If there are, no one has ever shared them here.

Just think of something to do with anki. I made my own conjugation cards and turned the entirety of verb grammar into one of those charts every other language has individually for each verb tense.
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>>100941622
I can't do much of anything with anki right now.
The app is limited and my PC is out of it.
I was hoping for a dictionary or some simple kids game or something, oh well.



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