Well, I started reading this manga early this morning. I'm at chapter 68 and god damn, Hideo (the main character) is one spineless mother fucker. Without spoiling it, does he grow some balls/man the fuck up and become a hero later on? He gets ordered around by fucking everyone, how the hell is this guy considered "MC" material? I feel like dropping this, but I have hope... What did /a/ think of it?
The story shifts from Hideo to some other people in the later chapters. It gets kind of meh at that point.
You haven't read the author's other works apparently.
He hates the kind of person you are looking for, so either drop it, or start to love the non-hero protagonists
There just hasn't been any fucking character development in him. He's still the same mother fucker (despite breaking SOME laws) from the start.
I just expected redemption, you know? Like he becomes a hero or something...
Well, I dropped it.
His other works are even more nerve-breaking bad luck/beta MCs. Too seinen for you.
Is he a masochist or something?
He's the most realistic author I've read so far.
>mfw boys on the run
did you not even read Ressentiment or something? casual, doesnt even know suffering.
a monkey was smarter than mankind.
Worst kind of despair hit me right there
Not even close.
then what would you call him? I'd call him retarted.
>there are 116 chapters of this
Quite mentally off in the head. As a result, quite composed.
>how the hell is this guy considered "MC" material
There is a part of the manga that is specifically about this.
IIRC you should have read it,
I know, blah blah blah "your main characters just fade into the background" blah blah blah. I'm just going to read some Survival Island.
>blah blah blah.
All I read is:
Too seinen for me
Seinen is truly the worst genre, aside from NTR. I had to drop Berserk because of that shit.
There's a reason why it never gets adapted into anime, because it sells like shit.
Yeah, I was just continuing my post.
And you, you're almost as bad.
Then whatever the fuck you want to call it. Either way, Seinen is shit.
They fucked wiht Guts so much that he became a pathetic MC. Anyways, he goes through too much shit. Like, the director is just throwing horrible situations at guts to make him suffer.
He is, which is why he's not spineless.
Nah, he's pretty fucking spineless to get bossed around by everyone. He doesn't even rebel. THERE IS NO FUCKING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN HIM! What the hell was the director thinking?
>being this oblivious to the major themes of a work
Dumbest thread on /a/ right now.
Yeah, i know that /a/ generally always find a way to make you dislike things you liked with buzzwords and biased opinions, but this thread right here is just silly.
People who haven't dropped Berserk yet are pathetic
>8 years on the boat
I wish i could drop you.
You keep saying stuff like "MC material" and "pathetic MC" and I'm not understanding what your standards for what an MC should be at all.
Are you 13? How is his character in any way about rebellion? It's not about him becoming the hero you expect it's about examining what a hero even is. The whole point is that all of the people who are using this situation as an excuse to do what they want are fucking everyone else over. This guy is compliant but also dutiful- like how he stays behind to hold of a horde by himself and he doesn't even think anything of it. He just thinks that's his job. He ends up being the real hero, despite how he views himself.
People don't change easily. You understand why he is the way he is, and there hasn't really been any reason for his character to change that drastically. This manga is a lot more about developing the interactions between characters and showing how an individual fits into a situation larger than himself that it is a discreet character arc. Do you just want a hamfisted man up sequence like a fucking shonen?
Well yeah, but that's because of the boat, not the suffering.
>Do you just want a hamfisted man up sequence like a fucking shonen?
It would make it more enjoyable...?
You are missing the point completely and if you're looking for a protagonist with a spine you should stop reading Kengo Hanazawa's manga.
Ressentiment is god tier pathos/rage material.
I can never figure out if I love or hate Takuro.
Why? That's not even consistent with the story.
The whole story is about being socially functional. I mean the zombies aren't even called zombies, they're anti-social-whatever-disorders I can't remember.
The main character thinks he isn't a hero because he can't man up and do things for his own benefit or be successful, but he's considerate and responsible and that's why people around him slowly start to regard him as a hero.
What you're describing is so unbelievably cliched. It's enjoyable in some stories but you can't expect that in everything. That would just be boring and predictable.
>Are you 13? How is his character in any way about rebellion? It's not about him becoming the hero you expect it's about examining what a hero even is. The whole point is that all of the people who are using this situation as an excuse to do what they want are fucking everyone else over. This guy is compliant but also dutiful- like how he stays behind to hold of a horde by himself and he doesn't even think anything of it. He just thinks that's his job. He ends up being the real hero, despite how he views himself.
>People don't change easily. You understand why he is the way he is, and there hasn't really been any reason for his character to change that drastically. This manga is a lot more about developing the interactions between characters and showing how an individual fits into a situation larger than himself that it is a discreet character arc. Do you just want a hamfisted man up sequence like a fucking shonen?
Good man. While no one can really claim that they know what the author really means in a story, you provide a logical and emotionally fulfilling interpretation of the work.
The thing is I understand how this guy might have been expecting this to be a story about some guy who could never be the hero finally learning how to become one, and instead it's more about how he was already a hero in disguise.
It defies expectations, but isn't that usually a good thing in story telling?
Also why the fuck does he keep saying director instead of author or mangaka?
Also, I thought it was pretty good world building for a bit at the beginning.
Then it's boring for a few chapters.
Then it totally makes up for it at the end.
>Seinen is truly the worst genre
Aside from that, are you really shitting on an entire demographic just because you found a few works you didn't like?
ITT: we try to reason with a 10 year old.
I suppose OP expects the protagonist to do something that makes a difference. How he expects this to happen when the story is literally set in the apocalypse in an otherwise relatively grounded manga I'm not entirely sure.
I mean honest to God, he's a simpering ninny, but he's a simpering ninny who's survived, made the best of his situation, and put his life on the line to protect others, even if it usually does take some coaxing. I'm not sure what else you're expecting, OP, unless you somehow think the apocalypse is going to magically imbue Hideo with an iron will and a new stoic demeanor.
Although I still read the manga, I stopped enjoying it when the school girl turned into a zombie, she was a good character, now we are stuck with an unlikable MC surrounded by unlikable companions.
>disliking zombified waifu who remains as sane as can legitimately be expected given the circumstances
>disliking the MC who is a hero
shit taste confirmed, disregarding opinion
what's wrong with the nurse? Also you are wrong about her character changing all that much after becoming a zed. Honestly we learn more about her, and if you don't like the zed vision pages you objectively have bad taste.
You're not gonna get what you want out of Hanazawa's books, OP.