[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vr / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k] [s4s] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / asp / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / wsg / wsr / x] [Settings] [Home]
Board
Settings Home
/a/


File: hideaki-anno.jpg (43.57 KB, 465x276)
43.57 KB
43.57 KB JPG
Is Anno the George Lucas of Japanese animation?
>>
File: tomino.jpg (332.14 KB, 1728x2304)
332.14 KB
332.14 KB JPG
No.
>>
mote like the steven spielberg
>>
No. Lucas had talent
>>
Naw. Anno's problem is that he struck gold once and has coasted by on that for a long time. The longer he dwells on that one thing, though, the more we see that he's kind of a fucking moron and that he's starting to become a parody of himself.

He's more like M. Night SHyamalan.
>>
>>100802755

Lucas was/is a great producer, he just was/is a terrible director and screenwriter. Most people don't realize that he did very minimal work on Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Lucas worked best as a big-picture guy, coming up with ideas and letting others implement them. Which is why he plays so well with Spielberg, a details-oriented guy.

I actually do kind of think Anno is similar in that regard. Good at big-picture things, should be kept as far away as possible from a script.
>>
>>100802667
But Tomino isn't involved with The Origin.
>>
>>100802755
With an emphasis on had.
>>
>not pleased with original product everyone else praised
>retcon it until nobody likes it

Yeah, pretty much.
>>
>>100803225
I agree with that. I think Anno is a good director, though. He's just a fucking awful scriptwriter. I'm personally not a fan of Evangelion, but I can see how it would be easy to forgive any shortcoming in the TV series' writing when you look at how sincere the whole production seems to be. Now that Anno isn't depressed anymore, all the melodrama and "rusing" in the movies seems really forced and awkward, like he's doing it because it's expected of Evangelion. I feel like he misunderstood his own work and is just trying to "top it" without understanding why it came out like that in the first place.
>>
In some ways, yeah.

The new rebuild movies look and feel good, but holy fuck the content

It's like fanfiction material and Anno is the cancer killing Evangelion or something
>>
>>100802890
Anno did good stuff before and after Eva, he just gave up to the fans that never gave a damn about his non-Eva works. That made Rebuild even sadder
>>
>>100802667
This.
>>100803240
Tomino was involved in those shitty Zeta Gundam New Transition movies
>>
>>100802615
>Is Anno the George Lucas of Japanese animation?
This question makes no sense since neither of them have the same style of direction. If your only similarity is being attached to a highly popular work then you have a long list to work with.
>>
>>100803240
What does that have to do with anything you fucking retard.
>>
>>100804552
It's just Evafags being butthurt that Rebuild is not as DEEP as the TV series. We've been through this over and over again. The comparison makes no sense but try to humor them.
>>
>>100804552
You think this is about comparing their directing style? Just FYI, that'd be wrong.

It's how Lucas and Anno once created a widely praised work, loved by fans, then later returns to the franchise and it pretty much sucks ass.
>>
>>100803225
>>100803667
>Good at big-picture things, should be kept as far away as possible from a script.
The irony of course here is that Anno was heavily involved with the script of the TV series
>>
Unlike George Lucas, Anno has some serious talent at some point. Look at the the original Star Wars movies, the best ones were the ones where Lucas wasn't the director. Sure Lucas had some interesting shorts but I don't think their is anything interesting about American Graffiti. Anno was a pretty great animator, was a very competent director on Gunbuster, Nadia and Kare Kano.
>>
>>100805098
Only at the same level Lucas was, that is there were lots of people working on it and editing it.
>>
>>100805059
>It's how Lucas and Anno once created a widely praised work, loved by fans, then later returns to the franchise and it pretty much sucks ass.
But that describes a lot of people retard.
>>
Anno is the Spike Lee of Japanese animation
>>
>>100805150
So? Your point being?
>>
>>100805059
>It's how Lucas and Anno once created a widely praised work, loved by fans, then later returns to the franchise and it pretty much sucks ass.
Could you be any less vague with this comparison
>>100805149
>>100805149
>Only at the same level Lucas was
Uh...no? He was actually the main drivers of the script writing for the TV series and practically did the last four episodes by himself. Stop spouting garbage just because your waifu didn't get enough screentime.
>>
>>100805150
Evangelion and Star Wars are both high-profile works, which adds to the comparison.

It might describe more people than just the two, but it doesn't really matter now does it? They aren't the same, but similar enough.
>>
>>100805218
You don't have an argument to stand on.
>>
File: like poetry.jpg (573.23 KB, 1035x1100)
573.23 KB
573.23 KB JPG
The Rebuilds aren't liked on Japan though?
The west hated the prequels and Jar Jar, except for France
>>
>>100805295
Actually it does matter. So basically your only stance to comparing the two is that they both made high profile works.
>>
>>100805262
Oh I get it. You're some kind of autismal retard hellbent on defending the Rebuild-series.

I'm not going to bother with you, maybe some poor sap will.

Anno did a lot of writing, but he had considerable amounts of help admitted by himself, and there were a lot of people that told Anno "no, we can't do that", or similar.
Kaworu's portrayal for instance, would if Anno had gotten his way be drastically different.
>>
>>100805327
>The Rebuilds aren't liked on Japan though?
They're very much liked going by reviews and revenue. Even 3.0's reviews were more mixed than negative.
>>
>>100805381
>>100805322
>>100805262
ITT: one samefag butthurt somebody hurts his shitty movies

Deal with it autist.

>>100805327
The prequels got good reviews, and still has them today.
>>
>>100805327
Like Jar Jar, Mari was the least of Rebuilds problems. The problems are a lot more fundamental than one extra character.
>>
File: End of Evangelion.jpg (2.08 MB, 1800x1690)
2.08 MB
2.08 MB JPG
Anno has far more talent than Lucas ever had.
>>
>>100805390
>>100805149
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=49
>Script:
>Hideaki Anno (eps 1-3, 5-26)

Not the same guy but you're wrong on Anno's involvement with the script being the same as Lucas involvement with Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. And honestly the only decent writer on that staff was Enokido but he hasn't been good for years.
>>
>>100805381
>>100805322
I'm going to take a guess that you're the same person.

The OP is pretty straightforward and it might ask a question that's uncomfortable to you. No need to be butthurt, but don't forget:

>So basically your only stance to comparing the two is that they both made high profile works.
There's that, PLUS this: >>100805059
which describes the background for it. Two successful new, original works that gain wide appraisal and popularity, and then they return to the franchise later only to produce comparatively sub-par but good-looking movies.

They have many similar cues, such as repeating scenes from the previous works. Lucas calls it rhyming. You know, like poetry.
>>
>>100805465
>The prequels got good reviews
Thanks for the laugh
>>
>>100805519
Yeah but Mari, just like Jar Jar, is the symbol of Rebuild's problems. Old Anno would never accepted to add a mindless doll just for the producer's request, or at leasy he'd take the challenge to make her into an actual character instead of whatever the hell Mari is
>>
>>100805635
Add in Akio Satsukawa + the rest of the staff.
The former for instance is not working on Rebuild.
>>
>>100805713
>Akio Satsukawa
>The former for instance is not working on Rebuild.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=6058

>Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone (movie) : Screenplay Cooperation
>Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance (movie) : Script Cooperation
>>
>>100805635
I don't think I'm wrong on this one, considering Anno's scripts always go through rewrites by others.
One famous example is how he envisioned Kaworu as a cat, and later a cat owner, something which got shut down.
>>
>>100805815
What? Do you think script changes brought on by the production committee is unusual?

Eva is Anno and he is the mind behind 90% of what you see in the original anime.
>>
>>100805665
>I'm going to take a guess that you're the same person.
No I'm here>>100805381
I'm generally curious as to how you think your comparison is valid with such a vague and flimsy stance?

>They have many similar cues, such as repeating scenes from the previous works. Lucas calls it rhyming. You know, like poetry.

So Oshii is Lucas now?
>>
>>100805919
Not unusual, and relevant for the original Star Wars movies.
>>
>>100802667

What Tomino did to Zeta Gundam with those movies is fucking worse than 3.0
>>
>>100805665
>Two successful new, original works that gain wide appraisal and popularity, and then they return to the franchise later only to produce comparatively sub-par but good-looking movies.
You just described Tomino
>>
>>100805959
You're the same, I checked. Post-times + report-check.
>>
>>100805978
Not really, as an anon stated in the thread Lucas was barely involved with the scripts for the first trilogy but his name is pastered all over the prequels.
>>
>>100805794
>>100805635
So basically Eva was never good and these new films are just Anno being Anno as usual. I guess Eva fags just got dumber over the years.
>>
>read the thread a bit
>people who think eva was the first and only anime anno ever worked on
>>
>>100802749
This. Anno is obviously not trying with the Rebuild portion and he never made outlandish promises like Lucas did with the prequels. He seems very much sick of it at this point like how Spielberg was sick of Indian Jones and gave of Crystal Skull.
>>
File: 1390316225013.jpg (224.91 KB, 825x719)
224.91 KB
224.91 KB JPG
>>100805465
>The prequels got good reviews, and still has them today.

>As of the film's 3D re-release during March 2012, the film holds a 57% "Rotten" rating on the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes, with an average rating of 5.8/10, based on 186 reviews
>It also has a score of 51/100 ("mixed or average reviews") on Metacritic based on 36 reviews.[118] On both sites, it is the lowest rated film in the Star Wars film series

>On the Rotten Tomatoes review site, the film received a 67% favorable rating based on 218 reviews, the general consensus being "Containing more of what made the Star Wars series fun, Attack of the Clones is an improvement over The Phantom Menace."[35] On Metacritic, the film holds a score of 53 based on 39 reviews, which indicates "Mixed or average reviews".
>Critics called the dialogue "stiff" and "flat".[36] The acting (particularly by Christensen and Portman) was also disparaged by some critics
>>
>>100805098

And Lucas also wrote/directed Star Wars: A New Hope. One shining moment that stands out from a sub-par body of work. I stand by my statement that neither are good at writing screenplays.
>>
>>100806555
>And Lucas also wrote/directed Star Wars: A New Hope.
That's not even the best of the trilogy
>>
>>100806641

He didn't write or direct the others.
>>
>>100806213
Not to mention his live action films. Which goddamnit, I wish he'd go back to.
>>
>>100802615
Both are shit, so maybe
>>
The Rebuilds are just popcorn flicks overhyped because they're Eva related.
>>
File: asuka kick.jpg (31.07 KB, 518x224)
31.07 KB
31.07 KB JPG
>>100807546
>popcorn flicks
That excuse doesn't work after 3.0
>>
>>100807673
It works especially after it for me, intentional or not.
>>
>>100802615

We can say yes or no to this more firmly after 4.0.

But yeah, most likely.



Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.