>madVR v0.87.0 released
>* added debanding algorithm, based on improved version of "flash3kyuu_deband"
>* added error diffusion algorithm (requires OpenCL)
>* added NNEDI3 chroma upsampling (requires OpenCL)
>* added NNEDI3 image doubling/quadrupling (requires OpenCL)
I'll need a whole new set of eyes for that.
>tfw my GPU can't handle nnedi3 on 720p files
Can't get the OpenCL functions to work, nvidia GPU. Only a black screen.
Others seem to have the same problems in the thread.
Yeah, seems to be a bug. Hopefully gets fixed soon.
The debanding won't make bad CR encodes look good but it does make them look slightly better if they're something you have to watch. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58931/
What does it means?
Can I just update it or do I need to set a bunch of autistic configurations for the new things to work?
And daiz said opencl was useless and worthless for video anything.
You can update it, but you'll need to get into madVR's options for the new things to work.
How do I check whether I have this OpenCL thing?
aw yeah motherfucking mantis shrimp
look at that motherfucker, making his way to the top
bet how many fucks he usually gives, zero bitch, why because he is a motherfucking mantis shrimp fuck yes
>That upscaling comparation
My eyes have been blessed.
Daiz also flooded thailand and killed thousands.
He is evil and you cannot trust anything he says.
>I'll need a whole new set of eyes for that.
>you get matis shrimp eyes
>you realize how shitty everything looks
>RGB colors are horrible, your eyes need 23 basic colors, not three.
>the world is ugly
>you end up hating everything
Sometimess ignorance is bliss
it's buggy, it couldn't even play the video and MPC froze
Sounds like a personal problem, works fine for me.
Nvidia GPU? Seems almost everyone with one has the same problem. Black screen when anything that uses OpenCL is used.
Buggy as hell release if you see the Doom9 thread
I can't even use normal MadVR with the video getting laggy ;_;
I should get a new computer.
But damn, it's some nice features when they get working.
Though they should be incredibly demanding, I have some doubts I'll be able to use the OpenCL stuff. Debanding works fine.
Where's the debanding option?
When I turn off "use random dithering instead of OpenCL error diffusion" option, colors in the video turn negative. Can it be related to other OpenCL bugs?
I'll be waiting until Daiz tells me to get it.
Processing -> artifact removal.
Heh, sounds weird. The problems reported is only about black screens (that's what I get). What GPU do you use? Also, try using NNEDI for image doubling, it should also use OpenCL.
Image doubling doesn't work, as expected.
>What GPU do you use?
nVidia 550 Ti
I changed RGB output levels and it fixed this. I suspected something like that. Really.
>Processing -> artifact removal.
Nice, I set both on high and it seems to be playing fluidly.
My computer can't into anything OpenCL related, though.
They all cause light to heavy stuttering or complete brake.
Try test build bottom of post, might or might not fix things.
Yeah, it seems that there's problems with nvidia. Kind of weird you get negative colors, though. For me, it just shows a black screen, or freezes the last shown frame if I enable it during playback.
You shouldn't have it on high for most fansubs, though. They usually filter most banding before encoding. For CR rips like HorribleSubs, high can be useful.
So, how would be the best way to get the madVR profiles thing to detect HorribleSubs rips? Unfortunately, it seems like you can't filter using file names.
Taking advantage of HS's inaccurate fps tags with something like (srcFps == 23.810) doesn't seem to work either, it catches normal 23.976 stuff to. I guess (srcBits == 8) will work fine enough.
Doesn't fix the OpenCL stuff. Apparently there was some de-interlacing stuff that was broken too, which that build fixes.
I don't know how to do that, so I guess I will just roll with low and set it on high when watching a bad HS encode.
so how do i download it?
So I downloaded this, ran the bat like it said and changed the renderer to MadVR in the options and it's... the same?
Like, I don't notice even the slightest difference in quality whatsoever, independent of what video I play, even when I switch back and forth between renderers.
Did I do something wrong?
Switching renderers requires restarting mpc-hc, I think. You can switch upscaling algorithms in madVR though, that should result in a visible difference. Try playing SD content.
Well what kind of change did you expect? It's not going to make bad video look good. It just provides better scaling options, smooth motion frame rate conversion (if you enable it) and debanding (if you enable it).
I guess this'll work for now. Hopefully he'll add a keyword to get the file name later, but I guess he's got bigger issues to deal with right now.
Yeah, that works too. Use Ctrl+Alt+Shift+1 to toggle between the strengths.
There isn't going to be a huge difference on normal content as long as the old setup you used where decent. However, madVR does a lot of things better, for example the 10-bit dithering, and it has better scaling algorithms available.
see >>100787456 for example
I bet AMD did this.
Nah, daiz bribed madshi
You have no business trying it if you have to ask that question.
Stick with VLC.
Unfortunately there isn't any free equivalent available.
inb4 muh vdpau
madshi confirmed for AMD shill.
b-but that would mean id have to go outside... and DO things...
is NNEDI3 better than jinc 3.
so the best setup now is nnedI3,jinc,cam-romin that order. well i5, intel 4000 don't let me down.
I just learned how it works from your screenshot, Thanks.
I guess it should work now.
I got it I've been doing then for years don't try to act like you are smart to fit in, most people in this thread probably don't even know what pure power curve is.
Thanks for beta testing, fags.
I'll be here waiting for stable build.
>trying to save face on anonymous imageboard.
NNEDI3 is better, yes.
Yeah, good luck with that.
So, I'm assuming this will be updated in the KCP eventually right?
All 720p videos work with no lag for me even hi10p. makes me wonder why people go out and buy expensive laptops and pc got this laptop for just 300$ and I can play all anime without lag well atleast when its not panning.
I have the same setup as you and couldn't use anything related with nnedl3.
Good luck with it.
what is your processor and video card?
>atleast when its not panning
Have you tried smooth motion?
So, should I enable the NNEDI3 double/quadruple luma & chroma resolutions?
The same as his.
Core i5 and HD graphics 4000.
it's dropping frames like crazy here.
smooth motion runs like shit on my computer.
is your monitor higher than 1080p if not no. but if your comp can handle it than just put everything on auto.
Also, in chroma upscaling, you have the NNEDI3. Good luck with that, though. It's heavy as fuck. I went from no droped frames with jinc to 100 in just 20 seconds.
What the fuck
It should give better upscaling quality, but it's very demanding on your GPU, so it's not certain you'll be able to use it.
Should've had a better graphics card, then.
Since we are in this topic, are these the right settings for smooth motion?
I think it should be dropping a lot of frames if they were right.
do you have this setup
nnedi3 16, jinc 3 aa, cam-rom aa ll
lav video and lav audio.
Holy shit stop posting.
Damn that greatly improves
Yes I do, it doesn't work.
I don't care a lot though.
Has anyone got the "how to set up mpc with mad vr" picture>
I think it look a lot better.
>I think it should be dropping a lot of frames if they were right.
Anyway, the correct settings depend on what you want. If you don't know what you're doing then "only if there would be motion judder without it" is probably be the correct option. Unless your GPU can't handle it (i.e. you get dropped frames), in which case you should disable it completely.
are you using a comp or a laptop? if laptop you might have to lower your screen resolution but force madvr to run 1080p.
I have it on the top one, but it shouldn't give any difference on most content.
>I think it should be dropping a lot of frames if they were right.
What do you mean? Ideally it shouldn't drop frames at all. To see if it does, start a video, go to fullscreen, press ctrl+r to reset those stats, and see if it drops frames while playing.
You don't need to do much, just follow this http://files.nyaa.se/HOW_DID_I_PLAYED_BACK.txt
How strong does my computer need to be to use nnedi3? I have a i7 3630m and a geforce 620m and even at 16 neurons I drop frames like shit and get a negative effect.
Never mind then, I'm happy it's working since I always had my doubts.
>lower your screen resolution but force madvr to run 1080p
Pretty fucking strong. At least that's what I would guess, can't even get it to work on my part, because of that bug or whatever it is.
you can use nnedi3 when upscaling SD content. you'll have to use the new profiles feature for that so it won't apply it to HD content
Might as well give up.
I always get madvr appearing as "unavailable"
I have a laptop and everything works for me?
Weird. Did you get a message saying it was installed correctly when you ran the install.bat?
did you run install.bat for madvr? do you have a 32bit mpc-hc?
you have to use 32-bit version
NNEDI3 and error diffusion too?
Yes to both of those.
madVR has supported 64bit for a while... At least, I'm using 64bit and it works fine.
I've never been able to get capture working for madvr I want to show everyone its working on my laptop.
Welp, I thought it's good occasion for updating all codecs and now nothing works. Something fails with lavvideo.ax being unable to register the dll/ocx and then whatever I try to do, playing video ends with computer crashing.
printscreen key or fraps to take shots of the upscaling result. you may have to turn off video overlay mode for that to work.
Can someone post settings for max performance/best graphics?
What? madVR is 32 bit only.
My R9 290 will be able to do this no problem, right?
>using proprietary software
nearest neighbor for scaling algorithms
tick all checkboxes in trade quality for performance
NNEDI with max neurons and jinc 8tap+AR on everything
untick all the above-mentioned checkboxes
It does crash sometimes though for some reason.
Well... it works for me. I'm pretty sure I was using the 32 bit version of MPC until I read at some thread "madVR supports 64bit now", so I switched.
Is this image correct?
It's pretty much a question of preference when it comes to high quality resizing algorithms so you should really try them out for yourself if you care so much about them.
For the people who can't get it to work are you watching a 1080p file because 720p works for me and I only have a i5 core with a intel 4000.
that just says it's 64bit windws
That's the OS that is 64 bit, not MPC-HC.
It's somewhat subjective, but sure.
You're right. Silly me. So, is there somewhere where I can check it to show it to you? I can't seem to find it.
Have you actually activated NNEDI3? It's turned off by default.
And you need to watch it in fullscreen for it to work.
fucking moot change my picture, here my real real picture.
Does this profile shit actually work? I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right, but it automatically goes to the first profile when I open up a video and doesn't activate the correct profile until I hit apply every time I start up a video.
What exactly were you trying to show with that image? It's jpeg so it's automatically unusable for any quality comparison purposes and you don't seem to be doing any scaling on it.
Ok, forget it. You're right. I don't know what I was doing, but something really stupid, for sure. It's 32bit only.
Try another set of parentheses over the whole boolean expression.
sorry to be honest is the first time I used capture picture.
I don't know but I just get a black screen when I enable it. 4670k and 760.
if ( (x) || (y) ) should do it
Well all 720p seems to work for me.
Not bad, not bad at all.
What are the best settings for it or should I just leave it out.
It doesn't seem to like me very much, though I'm probably doing something wrong since you guys can get it to work. The echos are going through either. The keyboard shortcuts for profiles seem to work though so I'll stick with that and just switch the profile order to it autos on HD instead which won't give me any problems.
As someone said, you should do some profiling. Most releases don't need it, but horriblesubs and the like should get high debanding.
doesn't it reduce image quality? If so I'll leave it out.
Heavy banding looks far worse than slight detail loss if you ask me.
You should really try it out for yourself instead of blindly believing anyone on 4chan.
Yeah, works fine for me. Correctly chooses HD.
if (srcWidth < 1280) || (srcHeight < 720) "SD"
There's no reason not to use "unstable" builds of software like this, it's not like it will break your GPU or anything.
Have fun waiting.
Guess I'll set everything to high for debanding I'll just leave it on. With that being said my waifu does look better with it on though.
Really, it's not that hard. You can use >>100791750 as a guideline.
So what settings are people actually using to get great picture with Jinc 3?
NNEDI is shit. Come back when it works on computers not owned by NASA
Does this release require better hardware than the last? MPC crashing when I try to launch something for some reason.
So I just put this in and i'm good?
If you don't change the settings then no, it doesn't require better hardware.
>high for debanding
If you're not going to profile it, you should probably set it to low or medium. Unless you only watch HS, that is.
Well, you need to make the profiles (see that "add profile" button in the picture), but yeah.
If you didn't change any options, it shouldn't.
Most of the time. I'm sure something will skip the filter (something with 8bit that doesn't need debanding), but it shouldn't be a problem.
No options changed. It just crashes MPC-HC when I play anything.
If anyone was having MPC crash on playback without changing any madvr settings, 87c fixed it for me.
Try resetting the options (there should be a restore default settings.bat in your madvr folder) and reinstalling. If it keeps crashing you may need to restore mpc's options.
This fixed the crashing. Thanks
Well, forget I said anything.
Looks like it was a bug. Download >>100796962
It highlights the chosen profile, too.
Why the need to keep pushing better video, just to watch drawn cartoons, which will never come to the detail of a real life image? The best computers in the world couldn't add more detail to your chinese cartoons, what you see is what you get. Are we supposed to look for pores and blemishes on our waifu now with better video play back?
I don't understand the fucking point. Especially, not with 4K resolutions around the corner, ready to take over 1080p when it becomes consumer friendly.
>if they're something you have to watch.
But it does look a lot more bearable, shame about the font and mistranslations.
>same settings as before
>notice significant amount of dropped frames
Think I'm going to wait for stable.
I want non-blurry edges on my 4k monitor
I'm having problems with this version of MadVR.
First, off the overlay is crashing when I try to seek to random spot
Second, I can't play files in windowed mode anymore.
There are people that use madVR that don't watch anime you know.
Oh, and when the overlay doesn't crash, it still doesn't let me seek
Gee, why would people who primarily watch things with edges and lines want something that can upscale well?
Does anyone with an Nvidia GPU have NNEDI working? I just get a black screen with it.
I can get it to play but my gpu isn't strong enough to actually use it. Not related but debanding options don't seem to work at all for me which is a real shame because that's what I was looking forward to the most.
so low~medium for bluray and coalgirls and everything else is high debanding right?
Huh. I wonder what the issue with mine is.
I'm more curious what AMD GPU do you need to get no framedrops with nnedi3 at 32 neurons going 720p>1080p with catmull-rom AR LL downscaling.
Just set everything 8 Bits on high and the rest on low.
What are the Microsoft ones? Is this normal?
Any competent fansub encoder will do high quality debanding already before encoding. With Coalgirls the need for debanding really depends on who's doing the relase.
You fucked up. Try setting LAV Video and Audio in External Filters to Prefer.
What does "echo SD" and variants do?
Those aren't even listed. Downloaded the most recent MPC-HC release so they should be there.
Download CCCP and use the included MPC-HC, and just use madVR on top of that.
So what you are saying is leave it off, but turn it on only for horriblesubs and have it on high.
It should just print SD or the other variant on the command line.
I get "creating Direct3D device failed (8007005)" when I try to play anything on my second monitor/small HDTV. The debanding test builds worked fine.
I'm saying you should try it out and see what settings you like the best and use those.
This is weird because I can hear sound and my GPU is rendering the frames, but it's dropping every single one so it's just a black screen.
So time to get an AMD card?
Yeah, this release seems broken in general. Better wait a few days before updating.
How do I know if my profiles are working?
I just copied this one but there's no way to know if it's working or not.
Play a HS (or any other 8-bit) file, and open madVR settings while playing. The "Heavy debanding" profile or whatever you called it should be bold.
Do the same with a 10 bit file, this time the "Low debanding" should be bold.
looks like you're playing some mpeg2 file
Yeah, that's how it should be.
Just so that I'm not that fixed ;) guy, if anyones stupid enough to fuck things up like me just do this >>100798526
Is anyone here trying this on 64bits? Older versions work fine but this one doesn't seem to.
It looks like it isn't working then.
Any idea why?
This is the only thing I put there, there's no command lines in the 2 options because I'm not sure if they need it or not.
He was using it ironically.
madVR is 32bit and shouldn't work with 64bit MPC-HC.
Weird. Try == instead of =, though the syntax should accept = too.
>Try == instead of =
Still doesn't work.
I'm going to read the thread and try to find something there.
>and shouldn't work with 64bit MPC-HC.
Sorry, I expressed wrong. I am using 32bit mpc with 64bit OS. I am assuming that is the problem because I can't see what else could be.
That should work fine. Both madVR and MPC-HC needs to be 32bit, but the OS can be 64bit.
But this version has a lot of bugs, and it'll probably be some days until he manages to fix them. It might just be best to wait before upgrading.
Wrong. Everyone is on a 64 bit OS. To the extent that even mentioning it is ridiculous.
I though xy-VSFilter was supposed to be better than xy-SubFilter? Is pic related wrong then?
Also, can anyone tell me why the video is green in every screencap i take? Works fine with Alt+I through madVR though.
no, xysubfilter is the better one
pretty sure subfilter is just the beta version of vsfilter which can connect to madvr
you probably have windowed overlay enabled in madvr
xysubfilter does desktop resolution subs.
DXVA might be your problem but that's just a baseless guess
>set to '2 neurons'
>"Where'd you get that mkv file from?"
n2 more like nut2
xyVSFilter is dead.
No thanks OP, you can keep your proprietary spaghetti code.
I'll keep my freedom.
It all comes together.
So it sounds like this new NNEDI3 is conditional as it isn't always the best to use, has an even heavier performance cost than even Jinc 3 AR even at it's lowest quality setting and is currently having issues with Nvidia cards. I'll pass on this for now.
No, NNEDI3 is conditional and heavy on processors, so you can't use it, probably. The debanding algorithm is great, but it's use is conditional to how shitty the encode is.
Well, nnedi does give better results most of the time, but yeah, as buggy as this is now, it's probably best to wait.
Also the difference to jinc will be pretty small when it comes to 720p->1080p, anyway.
>Is this image correct?
...well, it's not terrible.
NNEDI is great, but it consumes a fuckton of GPU time If you have a weak card you can still use it as a pre-scaler on SD content (using the new profiles feature) and use jinc/lancoz/etc. the remaining scaling steps.
And right now it's broken on nividia cards but madshi is working on that.
you would have to do 720p -> 1440p -> 1080p for luma with that anyway since nnedi can only do powers of 2.
I have a 1440p screen, so it's great for me.
>NNEDI is great, but it consumes a fuckton of GPU time If you have a weak card you can still use it as a pre-scaler on SD content (using the new profiles feature) and use jinc/lancoz/etc. the remaining scaling steps.
Probably also a good idea if you care about power consumption at all.
>Also the difference to jinc will be pretty small when it comes to 720p->1080p, anyway.
Still worth it if you have powerful GPU I'd say.
I literally cannot see any difference
Either you have a shitty screen or you're blind, anon. Look at the lines.
You got to get up real close to your screen, like maybe four or five inches away and look at the lines.
Same here, I guess it's just placebo for those who think it looks better.
anything more than bicubic is placebo
Lineart looks slightly better on the nnedi one. But yeah, it's not much, the difference will be more noticeable if you have a higher res monitor.
It's marginally better; but if you're viewing the screen from a normal viewing distance it's hardly noticable. Maybe if he used something other than anime we could see the improvements.
>Still worth it if you have powerful GPU I'd say.
Maybe if your monitor has pixels the size of your palm.
look at her hands
Nah bro, not seeing it, if i put my face right against the screen maybe just infinitesimally sharper, or it could just be me wanting to see a difference where there is none.
if you really don't see it just zoom in on some lineart
Very hard to see. If you have to look this hard, you won't notice it at all during playback. It's fucking nothing.
What's with the pixels shifting?
Does the mpc-hc that comes with CCCP the 32 bit version or 64?
Yeah, here's the samples madshi posted in screenshotcomparison form:
32 of course
some side-effect nnedi
Is it still shit?
>(3) NNEDI3 unfortunately also has disadvantages: It is relatively slow. It can't do anything other than 2x resolution doubling. It shifts the image by half a pixel (compared to other upscaling algorithms). And it can sometimes introduce weird artifacts that are unknown from linear resamplers like Lanczos or Jinc.
If I'm using KCP should I only replace the contents of the madVR folder?
Anyone else's scaling profile change when going fullscreen?
Any recent AMD card should have it.
replace and execute the install.bat script again
Just in case run install.bat, but yeah, that should be enough.
Or Nvidia card.
nvidia are apparently pretty bad when it comes to opencl, though.
Fuck you very much madshi for reminding me that my GPU is in dire need of upgrading.
I always run the uninstall.bat, replace and then run the install.bat but that may all not be necessary.
I've been simply overwriting files for ~1.5 year, reinstalling maybe once, and everything works fine.
I replaced and ran the install.bat. Everything is working fine. Thanks guys.
It all looks so smoooth with debanding
0.87 is not drawing anything but black frames for me, no matter what the fuck I do.
disable the opencl dithering for now. its broken on novidya cards
You don't understand.
>no matter what the fuck I do
well, then go back to 0.86 until madshi has fixed it.
I guess it can't be helped. At least it still has debanding.
I recently got a better computer and installed a 64 bit OS.
There's no reason to bother getting MPC 64 bit over the 32 bit version, right?
Nope. Get the 32-bit version.
No because one of the vital components of the whole MPC set up only has a 32-bit version. I forget which one.
madVR needs 32 bit MPC
the best you can do is install CCCP then add xySubFilter and madVR