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The sheer amount of boring-ass harem romcoms out there is really getting into my nerves. These types of shows are becoming hopelessly cliched nowadays, abusing already overused tropes to no end. I could name very few good ones from the ~30 I watched over the last several years.

This is what I think: The studios that make such shows are still businesses. In other words, they produce shows having profit in mind. The actual quality of these shows is of secondary importance as long as they get the money. Therefore, they appeal to the fanbase by making shows about some random loser guy surrounded by a bunch of gorgeous girls who are each interested in him, one way or another. The fans could supposedly project themselves into the shows' MC, and fantasize about the girls around him.

Here's the problem: The shows are created with a misguided belief in mind. The studios erroneously believe that anime fans are a bunch of perverted loser otakus without a social life, who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to, and would gladly imagine themselves as some protagonist with an entire battalion of girls chasing after him.

So let me ask: Is /a/ made up of people like this? I don't think so. Not yet at least.

They really have to realize that their fans are not like this. And they'll have to do it soon, or they might gradually lose their fans. They've actually started losing me. I'm sure there are others out there getting tired of this shit too. So me+others who think like me is potentially a huge loss. And the ones that do remain might actually be the perverted loser otakus. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy that they have inflicted upon themselves, so they would have to reevaluate their marketing strategies soon.

As for me, I'll stay away from haremshit for now and enjoy my time with non-cliched anime. It's really hard to find them, but it might still be worth it.
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>Is /a/ made up of people like this? I don't think so. Not yet at least.
Well I know I am. Kissless virgin here but I kinda agree with your post. I don't like that kind of anime either because I hate being reminded that I'll never get any.
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So much autism, where retards like you are coming from?
Anyway, enjoy some other generic shit only to wrote another "shocking reveleation" later.
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>>100778033
Tl;dr harem is shit. Nothing new here faggot. It still sells
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>>100778033
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I don't like haremshit either.

Now I don't necesserally mind a boy having more than one girl lusting over him as long as the show are substance apart from romcom hijinks...

But I do prefer the one husbando=one waifu formula.
Unless they pull off a real harem end or pair the spares like in shoujoshit.
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Why don't you stop filling /a/ with your retarded as shit rants until you actually learn how the anime industry fucking works?
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Time for cute girls doing cute things - the ultimate anime fantasy. I agree that harem romcoms should burn in hell.
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>Is /a/ made up of people like this?
I never thought that I could read shit like this.
It just proves how much of new normie scum who trying to fit in being lately.
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>>100778543
Nice being a hypocrite cancer, I guess
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Eh, haremshit is easily recognizable so you can avoid it easily. I know I do. Why do you care so much?

Now, what really pisses me is when a series, that doesn't seem to be a harem per se, has several (competent) male characters and all the girls still lust only after MC's dick.
It ruined many potentially good titles for me.
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>>100778033
>So let me ask: Is /a/ made up of people like this?
I wouldn't be surprised. It seems like many people here are more interested in waifus, merchandise and porn than anime or manga.
Anime fans, or at least otaku, are nothing like fans of other hobbies.
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>>100778033
>The studios erroneously believe that anime fans are a bunch of perverted loser otakus without a social life, who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to, and would gladly imagine themselves as some protagonist with an entire battalion of girls chasing after him.
>erroneously
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/a/ have such a rageboner for harem yet talking about them so much.
So many normies...
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Anime needs more harem protags like this.
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>>100778717
>normies
You mean people with taste.
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Man, I sure do enjoy reading blogs from people who know nothing.
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Who cares?
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>>100778772
Just go watch your shounenshit.
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>>100778033
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>>100778772
Would /a/ watch a harem anime where the MC was a girl, the harem were guys, but it still follows all the normal harem cliches rather than shoujo ones?

>MC walks in on a guy changing
>KYAA! Ecchi!
>throws shit at her until she leaves or slips and fondles him accidentally
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Well, I always disliked the idea of harems, but this season I tried watching everything. Now I hate harems more than ever. This shit is even worse than I thought.
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>>100778826
>seto no hanayome
>shounen
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>>100778676
>more interested in waifus, merchandise and porn
Yeah, all those threads about anime and manga are clearly made by juvenile virgins. You should leave and go to a site where people do care about anime and manga, like MAL, ANN and r/anime. I'm sure you'll fit right in.
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>>100778959
>Ran in a shonen magazine
>not shonen
Do you think the term means battle anime?
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>hate haremshit for some illogical stupid reasons
>still watching a lot of other crap
>hurrdurrr clishes
>still watching some other clishe shit
Or maybe not watching that much at all, maybe that's why /a/ has some abnormal hate for harems since it's just full of sensitive newfags.
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>tl;dr
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>>100778033
If you don't like something don't watch it. This post is completely unnecessary.
And go fuck yourself normie. I hope you die a painful and humiliating death.
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>>100778912
/a/ is actually full of girls so they would like it.
Hence why they are so fixed on male chars even more then females.
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>>100778651
This so much this.

Taking VV as an example. Why did have Saki to fall for vastly inferior Haruto when L-Elf was so painfully best boy ?
It didn't even serve the plot in any way. It really feels like some shit thrown there to appeal to the fags self inserting as the MC.
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>>100778912
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>>100778280
>pair the spares

Is this something Tolkein pioneered with Faramir and Eowyn or does it go even further back?
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Yikes what a long post!
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>>100778033
> implying the studios care about what a random normie thinks
You are dumb beyond measure if you think the studios don't know what they are doing. They do know the market, and guess what, you are not part of it.
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With every /a/ become worse and worse, people can't be easygoing and don't act like superhigh litereature critics pretending to know what are they talking about.
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>>100779377
Shut up virgin nerd
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There is no chemistry between characters and Japanese humour is rather primitive and vulgar. Instead of sarcastic remarks girls usually just beat guys.
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After watching anime for years and thinking that harem was the worst genre, I actually started to like it. At least they don't have a stupid-ass chuuni plot and concentrate on important things like cute girls and fanservice. Just ignore the main character.
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>>100779448
After watching films for just one year, I realized that most anime is just souless garbage for otaku.
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I don't understand harems. I get that the whole thing is an exercise in wish fulfillment where some dense loser gets all these bitches on his dick by being nice but what I don't understand is why actual harem endings where the fantasy is seen all the way through are so rare.

Do Japanese dudes get off on the idea of stringing along a bunch of girls and then doing nothing with them?
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>>100778033
Don't watch shows you don't like, problem solved. You should also work on not blogging and being so much of a faggot.
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>>100779448
>Just ignore the main character.
First time in years I saw someone who actually realise this, I always was wondering, why is this so hard to understand.
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The only haremshits that I don't like are usually that focus on the romance itself as in most of them is painfully obvious who is going to win and just focus on forced drama to try to keep the reader in suspense when there's no suspense at all.
I mostly watch harem that are more comedy than harem.
As for the question: more than likely.
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Must we have this thread every day
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>>100779760
Yes, right along with the daily thread featuring a quote from an anime industry hack bitching about moe killing anime.
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>>100779814
Great
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>>100778772
>More like this

>He is literally a beta faggot who has never even kissed his "supposed wife"
>He is thick as pig shit and seems mentally challenged at all the right times
>The only time he actually mans the fuck up is in the last episode, in the last 10 minutes
>The series ends without any fucking romantic develoment other than him screaming "SAN CHAN" over and over again

I'll admit it was funny, but it was one of the worst love stories ever fucking told.
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>>100779974
>feels

>>>/v/
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>>100779974
>Being this much of a faggot
Die
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>>100779134
because love is strange thing, you don't decide on whom you falling to love, but it come with sudden and randomly
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>>100779448
Imagine the main character is a brick
>All the girls are in love with a brick
>All of their interactions are based on the brick (even the interactions with each other)
>Their character development is solely based around the brick
>The only thing that matters to them is the stupid fucking brick

You can't ignore the MC, because the world and the girls revolve around him
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>>100780025
No you don't.

Women fall in love with = High status guys (length, masculinity, assertiveness etc)
Men fall in love with = Looks
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>>100780019

getting angry when told about their precious animu by op.
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>>100780107
Laughable generalization.
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>>100780151
It's genetics
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I like RomComs in general. What drives me crazy though that the romantic plot never goes anywhere and MC never enters a legit relationship with any of the girls.
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>>100780172
It's generalization.
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>>100780174
I love romcoms. In live action films. Anime is horrible at this.
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>>100780224
It's an applicable generalization because all humans work the same on a biological level.
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>>100780107
Looks play a role too for females (they like ottermode dudes), but clearly not as much.

The friend of mine who pull off the most bitches (some of them being good looking) is meh looking but he's extremelly confident and macho, meanwhile my good looking beta cousin ended up marrying an ugly woman with a degenerative genetic defect...
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>>100779403
Suck my cock.
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>>100780338
That's what you're mom told me yesterday
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>>100780285
>biological level
Please. We are talking about relationships and humans, which are far more complicated than simple animals.
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>>100780436
Not really
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>>100780455
You're just extremely ignorant and obviously don't know much about humans.
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>>100778033
they have no choices, Japs buy this shit
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>>100780488
WHy do you think everyone hates harem leads? It's genetic programming to despise weak males.
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>>100780337
>but clearly not as much.
Retard detected
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>>100778033
But anime is made for the Japanese audience.
They have no choice but do those because it just works
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>>100780547
Because they aren't good characters. Why people like shitty teen comedies about nerds? Because it's easy to empathize with them. Shit, harem leads are barely characters.
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>>100780547
Weak male are only alright when they are traps or homo, involved in a romantic relationship with a manly man or a non lesbian butch...
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I saw so many research assistants and students at the university browising 4chan, i think that most here are kissless autists, but not the otaku kind. Read: they are unsocial not genetically spoiled.
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>>100778033
Well if you really want to end this harem shit then everyone should stop buying their shit and make the sales as low as possible, and invest more on shows like TWGOK. Well you know this won't happen.
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>>100778912
Ouran High School Host Club was actually pretty entertaining.
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Harems are pretty fun sometimes, like TWGOK.
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>>100780107
Love isn't a weighing of pros and cons...it's about chemistry (which does have a logic to it but it's more convoluted)...and looks vs personality depends on culture really...studies have shown that in more gender neutral societies, expected gender behaviors start to disappear
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I'd rather formulaic generic harems then generic formulaic SOL.

At least every once and while they will give a decent plot to harem like TWGOKS, Sekai Seifuku, or Noucome. On the other hand shows like Lucky Star, Hidamari, and NNB are all the same shit.
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>>100781462
>NNB
>Shit
Kill yourself
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>>100780107

Attraction doesn't necessarily mean love
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>>100781576
Amen
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>>100781462

Lucky Star is VERY different from those other two. Educate yourself before you start throwing around buzz words. Hidamari and Non Non Biyori are not SoL either.
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I'm pretty sure the only good harem out there is TWGOK
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Maken-ki S2 is one of best shows this season.

Top-tier PLOT and its funny as hell. I think I'll continue watching haremshit, thank you very much.
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>>100778033
Well done harems can be really good. For example, people tend to forget that excellent anime series like Clannad and Kanon are harem.
The problem is that most of studios are getting lazy and portray the same kind of stories over and over again, because they know it always sells. They think: If a spineless and shitty MC surrounded by girls sells, why should I bother to create something original? Nip beta otakus are the most to blame: they are the ones who buy this shit regardless of plot and originality.

Also, stop fucking complaining and go watch something else, faggot. This is not your blog and we don't care about what you do or not.
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>>100781462
>Lucky Star shit
nope it's funny
>Hidamari shit
nope it's wide
>NNB shit
nope it's heartwarming
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> I could name very few good ones from the ~30 I watched over the last several years
Name em
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>>100782730
Clannad
Kaminomi (TWGOK)
Baka to Test
Haganai
Chuunikoi (still a harem despite having an official couple)
Bakemonogatari (still a harem despite having an official couple)
Haruhi Suzumiya (borderline harem)
Toradora! (borderline harem)

Need I list the bad ones?
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>>100782996
>Toradora
>Harem

I agree is shit, but not a harem
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>>100783512
It's borderline since Ryuuji has three love interests and there are no other strong male characters. Even Kitamura is not well-developed; he's definitely the least important of the main five.
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>>100779152
10/10 best harem coming through
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The solution is to ditch crappy harem shows and watch cute girls doing cute things instead.
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>>100778033
Let me summarize your personal blog entry for today:

Harem = Shit

Yuri is the last bastion of hope and fresh content that can keep our hearts entertained.
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>>100782996
>Chuunikoi (still a harem despite having an official couple)
It isn't a harem since there are no other love interests besides Rikka. Lots of girls doesn't make something a harem. The girls need to want the MC's cock.
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>>100782996
>Chuunikoi (still a harem despite having an official couple)
No anon, that's not how that works. None of the girls in it are going after Yuuta other than Rikka
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>>100787118
>implying that isn't a harem
How many girls want to taste yui's classy bean again?
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Harem is popular in Japan, which is the only place where people actually pay for their anime. Infinite Shit 2 was actually the AOTS for them.

And yes, the Japanese have godawful taste in anime and we should nuke them a second time.
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>>100778033
>The studios erroneously believe that anime fans are a bunch of perverted loser otakus without a social life, who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to, and would gladly imagine themselves as some protagonist with an entire battalion of girls chasing after him.

I doubt they think the fans are like that. They know for a fact, however, that that is for damn sure what their paying customers are like.

Don't like harems? Too bad, people who buy things do.
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>>100787316
They are mentally sick greasy otakus with a fetish for loli and shitty cheesy harems with a generic plot and same 5 types of heroines. These faggots live in a delusional world.
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>>100778563
It makes me feel rather conflicted that since I started using /a/ in 2007 I've gone on to get a job, experience several relationships (all of which failed, mind you), and develop a reasonable amount of social confidence, and apparently this means I'm now a new normalfag that doesn't fit in here.
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>>100787316
Third time. They were already nuked twice.
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>>100787449
You've been here since 2007 and you haven't figured out /a/ is not your blog? Amazing.
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>>100787413
Yet most harems do not sell very well. For every IS there are another 15 that don't make it past 2-3k sales and are in the bottom of the sales chart every season.
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You really are just preaching the choir.
Harem is usually garbage, we know that much already.
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>stop liking what I don't like!! >;(
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>>100779448
>At least they don't have a stupid-ass chuuni plot and concentrate on important things like cute girls and fanservice. Just ignore the main character.
Except most harem series have the worst writing and attempts at being serious as well.

Look at Infinite Stratos for fuck's sake
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Why won't people in the West build their own anime studio and give us what we need?

We need some more serious anime, stuff that makes you think more, not mindless moeshit. The Western World is clearly superior in developing these kinds of media compared to the filthy eastern yellow piglets.
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>>100789094
>Legend of Korra
You were saying?
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>>100789360
>mindless moeshit
You were saying?
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>>100781462

Both harem and SOL are shit. This isn't a one or the other case.

Imagine if for an entire season we only had good shows. Like the season is Mushishi, Spice and Wolf season 3, madoka, kill la ruse, insert your favorite anime. (Don't mind the specifics, this is not a "but those are all shit" deal.) Imagine if studios only produced good series. No more LN shit. No more moeblobs and self insert MC bullshit.
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>>100789769
Except Spice and Wolf is LN shit.

I do agree with seasons full with original shows. Fuck all the useless adaptions.
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>>100787316
>the Japanese have godawful taste in anime

Why, though?

Is it because they have the creativity beaten out of them in their godawful school system, or their mothers never loved them, or they can't get laid?

How does shit like SAO and Infinite Shit even sell in the first place, I can't even stand to watch it.
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>>100789094

>Avatar the last Airbender
>wakfu
>ladybug
>teen titans
>justice league

If we can get the americans away from capeshit and destroy CG we'd have a chance.
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>>100787454
Fourth time. I'm counting Fukushima
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I watch harems for the fun hijinks and cute girls. plot is somewhat irrelevant unless I can relate to it so I ccan ignore it.

Also I think i 'm one of the few people who actually likes generic harem MCs. I think Ichika would be a really cool bro to hang out with, Eita is hardworker and competent and just has a really bad case of shittastenititis, etc.

And yes, I'm a kissless virgin on his mid 20s with a chikan and incest fetish although I don't self insert as the MC and and to be honest, id be annoyed if so many women were after my D. I like to think harems are just about a group of friends hanging around and the competition for MC's D is just a friendly competition.
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>>100789899
Yeah, this adaptation shit is annoying. I don't even watch it because I've already read the manga. It's also shit unless the series is done too.
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>>100778434
Godforbid someone says something bad about you shittaste
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>>100789769
>Imagine if studios only pandered to my taste
Fixed that for you.
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>>100790231
Pretty much all adaptions are shit. Either you get what you somewhat expected from the source, or everything goes horribly wrong. There's no creativity or spark in adaptions.
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>>100790290

>implying an anime can't be objectively good
>muh art, muh taste

No, get out.
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>>100789983
I'd take retarded capeshit anyday over retarded haremshit grabbing at bricks.
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>>100790846
I'm saying you don't care if it's good or not, you only want more series in the genres you like.
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>>100790158
>I like to think harems are just about a group of friends hanging around and the competition for MC's D is just a friendly competition.
You're a good person, anon.
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>>100790950

Because there are objectively good and bad genres. SoL and haremshit are bad, everything they touch turns to shit, even if the best artist and writers in the world made a haremsol it would be shit.

Harem is no different than Twilight for otaku neckbeards. No, it's even worse, because at least twilight had some sort of plot.
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>>100778033
TL;DR
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>>100791343
>Because there are objectively good and bad genres
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>Guy tries to start a serious and potentially good discussion.
>Pedantic and dismissive responses.

Stay classy, /a/
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>>100789983
>ladybug
Isn't this show just coproduced by some frenchies?
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>>100792166

I don't know. I downloaded the pv video, I liked it so much.

I heard it might be turned to cg shit, though. And instead of a movie it will be a series. Coming out sometime in 2014 they said.

Waiting is suffering.
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>>100778033
Your sentiment is on point, but you're wrong that this strategy won't be successful for studios. It will.

And when your girlfriend cheats on you with your best friend and leaves you, and you graduate from college alone, you'll be right back here. Watching harem anime. With us.
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>>100792067
How can one be anything other than dismissive to someone who is literally saying "genres I don't like are objectively bad!"
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>>100778033


>who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to
>and have never even been confessed to
>been confessed to
>confessed to


For someone who claims to not be a perverted loser without a social life and no girlfriend...
why do you use a phase that is seldom used in anything other then anime circles and translations?
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>>100778033
> The studios erroneously believe that anime fans are a bunch of perverted loser otakus without a social life, who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to
>So let me ask: Is /a/ made up of people like this?
Are you fucking retarded? You must be for still watching harems, a genre that contributes absolutely little to the anime industry quality wise.
I might not fit the criteria, but I know whom I surround myself with, not to get a feeling of superiority, but to get anonymous conversation with people whos social and love life is irrelevant, exactly how it should be.
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I like romantic comedy.
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Don't worry anon the industry is realizing that harem doesn't sell as good as it used to
New market is fujoshi
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>>100793541
Pardon the ignorance, but what is fujoshit?
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>>100793887
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fujoshi
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>>100780948
>and invest more on shows like TWGOK

>Implying TWGOK is not harem shit
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>>100778033
>Here's the problem: The shows are created with a misguided belief in mind. The studios erroneously believe that anime fans are a bunch of perverted loser otakus without a social life, who never had a girlfriend, and have never even been confessed to, and would gladly imagine themselves as some protagonist with an entire battalion of girls chasing after him.

Thing is, with Japanese anime fans these guys are the biggest consumers.
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>>100778563
It saddens me that people think of others to normie scum for not loving bottom of the barrel shitty harem shows used to pander and sell the "cute girls" to faggotswho love to circlejerk about your waifu(s) and create fucking shitty /c/ threads that don't belong on this damn board.

Man fuck this whole fucking waifu culture thing. It's pisses me off to no end. Have genuine discussion you morons and stop watching SHIT


>tl'dr MAD
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>>100795057
I hope for your sake that's bait, because if its not, then you have no place here.
Don't go to the vineyard expecting apples.
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>>100792622

By going:
>You bring up a good point, however......

Or maybe:
>I believe you have the wrong idea, and here's why.....

Another option:
>What you say is true about alot of harems, but there are some that away from the norm, for example......
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>>100792622
By ignoring them.
If he's not looking for a decent exchange of words, then don't bother, shit ain't rocket science.
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>>100795291
Here's one.

>It's not pandering to your tastes cause you're not paying a cent to support your tastes, however shitty it may be.

Or

>Japan doesn't give a shit.

Come back when you can influence their LN/Manga industry to makes stuff according to you "objective" tastes, then we'll talk about changing anime.
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>>100795291
But it isn't a good point at all, you can't convince someone they have the wrong idea on 4chan of all places, and >alot
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The new. It hurts.
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>>100795617
#cynicism
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>>100795776
>hashtag
Fuck off.
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>>100795776
Well if you claim everyone is supporting "objective" anime with their wallets why is the market saturated with harems?

Explain that genius.
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>>100796069
What we really need is an objectivist anime. Atlas Shrugged adaptation when?
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>>100778033
But OP TWGOK is the anti-harem.
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>>100793887
HOMO - LUST + DELUSIONAL PLOTS = Fujoshit
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>>100778033
Here's my two cents:

When an anime is made, the priority target is always the japanese audience for that particular genre. Other demographics come in second, and the West comes in third.

For whatever reason, the formula for harem is very popular in Japan. Stay close to formula and your anime makes a profit, stray too far from the formula and nobody watches your anime.

You could blame the studios for not taking more risks, or you can blame the audience for always asking for the same thing.

Why is Call of Duty always the same? Why is John Cena constantly at WWE's main events?

Because fans want it that way.



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