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So I was having this discussion with a friend of mine the other day about Evangelion. He was of the opinion that NGE never would have become as big as it did if they hadn't run over budget near the end of the show.

At the time, I called bullshit but now I'm not so sure. It still seems like there was a lot of intentionality in the writing. What do you think? What exactly was it that made the original series the hit it was?
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I think the fact that eoe is so well recieved is evidence of the fact that the nge budget wasnt a major contributing factor to the series' success.
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Weren't people flipping their shit when Bardiel got btfo?
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your friend sounds like a pleb
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so what was it that made Eva successful? right time and place?
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He's kinda right, it got a lot of PR due to an over-budget shitty 2deep4u ending.

The show was great however, so it would still be a hit. But the ending helped.

I mean seriously, EVA being "2deep4u" is kind of a big selling point. It's why Rebuild 3.0 gets away with shitty characters because it's 2deep4u + pandering.

"The characters are shallow?"
MYSTERY
"The setting is shallow?"
MYSTERY
"The plot is contrived and retarded"
It's SUPPOSED to be bad! It's deep! It's a critique!
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>>100753010
It was hugely popular from the start since Anno and Gainax were pretty established names. It only grew in popularity as it aired and the reason there was such a backlash against the last two episodes were that it was such a change from what was already popularly airing.
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>>100755092
and having a passionate & talented team behind it
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>>100755092
Partly >>100758039, partly Anno and partly just coming out at the right time when the market was ready for it and willing to embrace it.
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It came out when there was a huge audience for mecha and giant robot (I know Eva is not technically either but come on) but they were clamoring for a new twist on the genre. Anno and Gainax were established names. Shinji was, at the time, a very unique mc and Rei a very unique female lead. There was a market waiting for basically exactly what Eva was.

But really, it got its timeslot moved somewhere in its airing (was it midway?) and after that it skyrocketed in popularity. Though it was successful before. Its timeslot switch put more eyes on it, especially Japanese teenagers, and helped turn Evangelion into the single most important franchise of its generation.
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I'd say it helped, but >>100753236
is true as well. I'm really not sure. I think it got its popularity before the ending happened, though.
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Evangelion arrived in the right time, in the middle of the Japanese lost decade and the same year of the gas sarin attack
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>>100753236
EoE was well-received?

I remember people complaining about it years back. Still see them complaining now.
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The lack of budget forced a lot of the most memorable scenes (elevator scene, HALLELUJAH! scene) and the psychological introspection as well as the ending that made Evangelion so memorable.

Eva would have been a hit no matter what. The clusterfuck at the end made it a legend. Sort of like how Shakespeare fucked up with Hamlet that led to its plot making no sense (acting crazy takes suspicion off of Hamlet how?) but the result made it the most famous of his plays.
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>"dude I watched the most fucked up show yesterday and it has hot girls in it"

>repeat
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>>100759175
It's amazing how budgetary restrictions can actually help with creativity. My best stories in creative writing classes in high school, for example, were done when we had the most restrictions.

I'm sure this is the case for others as well.
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>>100759506
It seems like a lot of directors do their best work when they're also grappling with pretty limited resources. It can't be fun to work int hose conditions, but something about it seems to have a chance of bringing out real inspiration
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>>100759095
Theatrical run made a bunch of yen and it won a couple of film awards the year it was released.
There were still people that were very vocal about not being satisfied by the revised ending.
Typical Eva reaction, I guess.
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>>100759639
>>100759506
Ain't that the truth.
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>>100759697
Yeah, End of Eva was very controversial for years. On /a/ it's become a legend, but a decade ago fans were split on it and a lot preferred the TV ending. People claimed that End of Eva was Anno's personal hate mail to his fans, in which he gave them what they thought that they wanted by bloodily killing off the whole cast and destroying the world.
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>>100759095
>>100759697
Didn't Anno win the AnimeMage Grand Prix Grand Prize three times for Eva? For both '95 and '96 for the series and for '98 when EoE came out?
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>>100759770
mindblown.jpg

The last one needs a mickey ears hat
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>>100759506
>>100759639
It might have to do with the paradox of choice only from a creator rather than consumer perspective. When posibilities are limitless how do you make the right calls? the un expected calls? When you got little to work with, you have to find the way to make it work.
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>>100759770
the death of miniatures is the most tragic shit
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>>100759855
I don't think the LucasFilm deal went through until after the Episode 1 in 3D flopped.
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>>100759175
>The clusterfuck at the end made it a legend
"In Hamlet/Eva, paradoxically, what ought to have been... aesthetic failure became the most absolute of aesthetic triumph, by standards the character and the play pragmatically have invented."
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>>100759808
>People claimed that End of Eva was Anno's personal hate mail to his fans, in which he gave them what they thought that they wanted by bloodily killing off the whole cast and destroying the world.

Also, he started the movie by having the audience surrogate (Shinji) jerk off over Asuka's comatose. Basically, calling out the otaku for fetishizing female anime characters.
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>>100759820
Yes, but it was 95-97 he won.

Code Geass and Gundam SEED also won 3 times, fun fact.
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A big budget doesn't make an anime good anon-kun . 3.33 proved that
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>>100760247
Yes, the year 2000 ruined any semblance of taste the elevens ever had.
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>>100758312
>just coming out at the right time when the market was ready for it and willing to embrace it.

What time?
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>>100760409
Anno time
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>>100760409
The early to mid 90's when Japan's economic depression began.
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>>100760508
Oh shit.
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>>100760409
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>>100760508
Hell yeah
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He's probably right.

The budget issues are the indirect reason that EoE got funding in the first place. Without it, it would have been a standard 26 episode show.

The show would have become big regardless. But we would never have gotten EoE without the budget crunch.


>>100755941
I think the only reason 3.0 gets away with it is because 4.0 is on the way. If that were a stand alone, then it would have nothing to defend itself.
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>>100758894
This is correct. If it wasn't popular before the end, Anno wouldn't have ever got those death threats. It was actually a mystery to the staff how it got popular.



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