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>Tsundere insults MC for no reason
>Calls him numerous terrible names
>MC can't keep quiet anymore
>Gets up in her face
>"You are such a fucking bitch! You know that? If you don't like me, fine whatever. Then STOP HANGING AROUND ME if you think I'm some sort of "pathetic worm" or "piece of shit" or whatever. You know, I think I'm actually pretty fucking nice to you and one of your only friends. Excuse me, I WAS one of your only friends. I thought you were mean because no one liked you and if I was nice maybe you would start to be nice back. BUT NOPE All I get from you is fucking spite and the other day you hit me in the fucking face for saying you looked nice in your new dress! FUCK YOU! NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN, YOU CUNT!"
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>>100752557
If you make the ranting less edgy and have the tsundere say "I actually loved you for some time" you'll have my first love story.
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>>100752724
No I was hoping to see the Tsundere act tough immediately following the scene.
Then later show her in her room crying into her hands repeating "Nande?"
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>>100752724
>less edgy
>after being called "worthless scum"
>"piece of shit"
>"idiot" X 1000 times

God forbid anyone use grown up language when they are furious.
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>>100752932
Mommy and daddy taught me not to degrade myself to these sort of people's levels, so I'm pretty level-headed.
I actually asked why she was such a pain in the ass to the only boy that hanged with her without being afraid of being hit by her punches after finishing a sentence.
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>tsundere goes all tsun tsun
>friends gets angry with her because "misunderstanding"

Holy shit you've discovered the holy grail you're a genious.
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>>100752557
She will jack your shit up with leaves.....
>Prepare Your Anus
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>>100753113
Look man, I just want to see a girl be a rough Tsundere. For the audience to know she is merely being tsundere. But for the MC to misunderstand it as her just being a bitch and ream her out for it. Then for her to cry about how she fucked up her chances with the MC. Then to watch /a/ fight among themselves about whether she deserved it or not.
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>>100752932
>grown up language
OP reads like a 14-year-old's livejournal rant.
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>>100753365
I see.
In the end, the girl of my story turned out to be my girlfriend for 1 year and a half. This was on highschool, by the way.
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Sociopathfag here. While I understand the appeal of most of the other tropes Yandere, Dandere(fave), etc., why do people like Tsunderes so much? They're abusive personality that you'd have to work at just to get small sometimes non-existent glimmers of affections seems not worth the hassle compared to the other tropes. Anyone care to explain it?
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>>100753575
Masochism
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>>100753575
Not sure that trait is popular outside of Japanese manga and other otaku stuff. All those manga personality archetypes are very shitty, anyway.
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>Tsundere insults MC for no reason
>Calls him numerous terrible names
>MC can't keep quiet anymore
>Gets up in her face
>"I really hate you."
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>>100753955
and then /a/ gets mad
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>>100753811
That actually explains alot.

>>100753575
I was just asking as an anime fan to anime fans. Of course most of those tropes aren't widely popular outside of Japan obviously.
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>>100753575
>why do people like Tsunderes so much

Hairstyle.

I'm serious. Twintails are the single most appealing hairstyle possible on a girl, and they're mostly used for tsunderes.
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>>100752557
Sera started treating Ayumu nicely after he became a girl, so maybe that's the solution to tsundere characters.
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>>100753575
Because new Tsunderes are shit, and abusive Tsunderes have always been shit.

There are plenty of good tsunderes.
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>>100753575
they want to delude themselves into believing that 3d girls who hate them secretly like them and are just being tough
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>>100753575
Well, when a tsundere is done right, it feels really good once she finally turns dere. Seeing a girl once mean and abrasive towards the MC now being nice and thoughtful is a really nice experience. When it's done wrong and the tsundere stays mostly abrasive, nobody wins.
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>>100756212

Rin is a good example of a shitty abusive tsundere though.
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>>100756326
>they want to delude themselves into believing that 3d girls who hate them secretly like them and are just being tough

I honestly don't think the sort of people who fall in love with anime characters even like real girls to begin with.
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>>100756345
>rin
>abusive

Feel free to cite examples.
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>>100756418
oh you'd be surprised.
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>>100756552

Examples is very nearly every scene in FSN where Rin and Shirou interact, as well as shitload of scenes in F/HA.

If any girl talked to me the way Rin talks to Shirou, I would cut off all ties with her and never look back.

Also she literally tries to kill him once, in the school.
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>>100756552
There are numerous examples. She assaults him at school and tries to steal his command seals. She sends him this letter when she wants to meet him.
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>>100752557
If MC just blew up on her like that, I think her crying uncontrollably would break my heart.
The thought alone of her crying is unbearable.
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>>100756811
>>100756954

She's only mean to Shirou when he is acting like an idiot, which happens to be a lot. Saying that he can protect Saber or that he will save everyone is worthy of being yelled at because she is trying to make sure he doesn't get himself killed.

Assaulting him at school is not an example of her being a Tsundere... they are enemies at that point. And thinking that letter is an example? It's a joke, anon.
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>>100752557
Has a MC ever told a girl off in any series? Is that shit even possible in anime logic?
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>>100756954
>dat message
Perfect girlfriend, would waifu, have her bear my children and let her stay by my side for the rest of my days.
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>>100752557
or you could not be a massive beta, and just enjoy the ride

alternatively

>>>/out/
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>>100757481
No, that kind of behaviour of not taking shit from anyone, standing up for yourself and voicing your opinions out loud would be too apha for your stereotypical 15 year old japanese otaku.
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>>100757463
Rins an alright tsundere. But shes still a gigantic bitch
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>>100757463
>"You're really hasty. It's true that I was irritated, but I won't curse a memo. That's just a normal message …Hey, why are you frowning like that?"
>"……"
>My expression is only natural. Tohsaka honestly thinks that it's an ordinary memo. Well, it doesn't really matter what she thinks of it, but the image in my head of Tohsaka Rin crumbles to dust.

It's not a joke. Rin thinks it's perfectly normal to send someone a death threat.
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>>100756418
another defense mechanism to prove to themselves they are a strong independant hehuman and don't need no womyn
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>>100755751
I think you misspelled ponytail, friend.
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>>100757481
The only MC to tell off girls in recent memory would be 8man
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>>100757737
She thinks it's normal, but she wasn't actually going to kill him.

So it's more cute actually being evidence she is a shitty tsundere.
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>>100753811
yea this is the reason. I knew a girl in high school who'd threaten to kill me almost everyday and i thought it was the cutest shit ever

turns out she really just wanted to kill me ;_;
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>>100757481
Touma kinda does during the Sister's Arc, but he always puts up with the tsutsun headcrab.
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>>100757737
she's a mage trained from childhood to isolate herself socially, and be ready to battle to the death at a moment's notice

remember that when you judge her tsundere traits and abnormal behaviour

i think she's quite a reasonable result of that kind of upbringing, and manages to not be a total cunt for no reason

the fact she realised "kill you" is not a good thing to write is evident in this image >>100756954

she also clearly knows that there are boundaries, from her introspection in the prologue

sometimes we just want to believe that a girl who's just as fucked up as we are for whatever reason can learn to trust and love another, and the basest representation of this idea is the tsundere

inb4 "this is what tohsaka fags actually believe"
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>>100756329
this

Plus, when self inserting, it is like YOU were the one who changed her.
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>>100758250
Touma is a pussywhipped little faggot.
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>>100758258
The "kill you" was clearly visible, so she obviously expected Shirou to read it. She outright says "I had to write something extra to make you come here", so she deliberately left it in.

Sure she had a rough childhood, but that doesn't change the fact she she's a bitch.
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>>100758400
Towards Index, yeah. He's a bit more sensible towards Biribiri.
He punched Kugimiya Rie, does that count?
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>>100752557
>not wanting to be insulted
Do you even M?
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>>100758449
I don't think you understand shirou's reluctance is because he's used to dealing with taiga and doesn't like the fact that rin is like a less bombastic version of that, from the point of view of somebody who doesn't get much out of social contact other than a change of pace

i think the reason she wrote "something extra" is to bring to his attention how important the meeting is, in a context he understands (killing and death) and it was never anything more than a joke

she's a girl who can't be honest with herself, or others, for fear of rejection (father) or revealing too much information (magus)

not understanding somebody doesn't make them a bitch anon
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The last time Type-Moon had a good tsundere was in Tsukihime, and the reason she was good was because she had an actual reason to be tsuntsun that wasn't borne of arrogance or general belligerence or in any way looking down on the guy.
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http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=290176

definitely thread relevant

why is it that being misunderstood = she's a bitch!

you might not like a character, but that doesn't mean other people don't, or that they're a bad person
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>>100758624
>not understanding somebody doesn't make them a bitch anon

Coming up with endless contrived excuses doesn't make someone stop being a bitch, anon.
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>>100758778
The anime turned me off the VN, especially after FSN wasn't that good anyway.

Can you spoiler some reasons why she's tsuntsun? Might make me consider reading it if they're viable.
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>>100752557
>not being a masochist
Are you gay?
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>>100758838
calling them contrived excuses is wrong

i don't think there's a point to fiction if you don't try to understand a character and instead prefer to judge them
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How about we take this thread in a slightly different direction?

How would you make a tsundere character /a/?
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>>100758778
Akiha pissed me off with the way she kept yanking Shiki's chain all the time.

I enjoyed her more when she went full yandere and turned into the final boss.
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wich zombi wud u fuk?

tomonori best zombie
haruna second
haruna a slut
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>>100753575
Gap moe. Difference between actions and words. Full on ZnT tsun with abusiveness is not very attractive, but when a girl who tries to put on a serious face and stuff all the time and act like she doesn't care finally shows her caring side it's moe as fuck.
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>>100758879

Akiha is in love with Nissan right from the start. Nissan believes them to be biological brother and sister. He's wrong for reasons, and Akiha cannot correct him because of further reasons. Akiha knows/suspects Nissan is fucking other girls and she cannot make a move on him herself no matter how much she wants to. This frustrates her insanely. Her control freak nature and batshit rules are her feeble attempts to keep him from fucking other girls.

In the end she just completely breaks down and unleashes a tsunami of dere that washes away all her bullshit and apologizes for everything she has ever done in her life.
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>>100758995
>How would you make a tsundere character /a/?

I'd make her smoke mad weed like 420 blunta a day yo. then she'd come out and fuck that mcnigga up and then be like "fuck it im smokin more herb nigga"
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>>100753955

I would have the biggest fucking grin on my face if an MC had the balls to do that.
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>>100752557
>If you don't like me
And people blame mc's for being dense.
And it's quite funny how you talking about MUH VIOLENT TSUNDERES when it's more fitting for some other characters and archetypes, like Gahara or Ume.
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>>100752557
Tsunderes are the worst characters. I hate them. Worst part is how even if a guy told one of them off, the retards watching the show would feel sorry for HER.

Like when I watched that garbage Oreimo, I dropped it real fast. They expected me to feel sorry for her when nobody would talk to her during that otaku meetup. Phoney bitch gets what she deserved and I'm supposed to side with her and pity her? Kiss my ass.
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>>100759125
Akiha is a real sadist. Must be her demonic blood.

"There is a rumor that Tohno Akiha is quite fond of this underclassman, and I have absolutely no intention of ever denying it. I had indeed taken a real liking to Seo's nature, which was somewhat like a small animal begging to be bullied, or perhaps tamed and broken."
"Haa. I'm always charmed by this girl's cute animal-like way of showing her every feeling. Just seeing a girl this innocent makes me want to torment her mercilessly, a swelling tide of sadism that my reason is forced to keep suppressed."
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>>100758995

I would make a completely 110% standard tsundere that has twintails and insults people for no reason and hits them out of nowhere and so on. This behavior causes everybody to ostracize her. MC bangs some nice, polite, sane girl. Tsundere realizes she has no friends in the world, and she kills herself. The end.
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>>100759340
I would watch this.
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>>100759340
10/10
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>>100759340
what is the appeal of twin tails? It just makes the tsundere seem younger than you and that's what lolis are for. tsundere is about challenge. its about yea this bitch hates me but im gonna change that through dick
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>>100759767
I think it's a variation of long hair that visibly symbolizes immaturity in a cute way.
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>>100759767
>what is the appeal of twin tails? It just makes the tsundere seem younger
Sheer hotness. Also youth is hot.

>tsundere is about challenge
What is the appeal of challenge? Relationships shouldn't be about how hard you can make them for yourself, they should be about getting to share the horrible burden of this shitty world with someone.
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>>100759340
>I would make a completely 110% standard tsundere that has twintails and insults people for no reason and hits them out of nowhere and so on.

Voiced by Rie Kugimiya.
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>>100757481
Yep, it happened. One of the shows that's currently airing has an MC that stands up to a tsundere who can't cook. He doesn't back down even when she threatened violence against him. It's a pretty cool sequence.
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>MC goes full Samuel jackson on tsundere
pls japan
pls
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>>100760084

And I suppose naming the show would be too much work.
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>>100760084
The name
give it
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>>100760192
>>100760242
I assume he's talking about Sekai Seifuku.
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>>100759891
>what's the appeal of challenge
her's a scenario
>FAMILY GAME NIGHT
>b-baka anon-kun you're too good at this game

or

>hey asshole i'm going to kick your ass in scrabble
>hey quit fucking cheating that isnt a word

now its been a long day so i might not into examples well but my point being that scenario a is defined by their lust for anon dick whereas scenario 2 is the correct answer
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>>100760192
It's the one that has a type-moon writer for it. Sekai Seifuku: Bouryaku no Zvezda is what it's called. The second episode has that part with the tsundere.
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>>100759891
this anon speaks the truth
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>>100759125
hhnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg

this is my fetish

thanks anon, you've convinced me to try the tsukihime vn
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>>100752557
In the case of the picture shown, wouldn't she just immediately agree never to talk to him again? I admit I didn't finish Korean Zombie Desk Car, but I was under the impression she honestly didn't really give two shits about him romantically.

And I can only really get behind losing his shit at a Tsundere that's a bitch to an MC of actual worth. So many of them are pathetic lately that I generally think the MC deserves whatever shit the girls put him through.
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>>100760472
All the girls in Korean Zombie want the MC's dick.
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>>100752557
I feel you. Sera is one of the worst tsundere I've ever seen. She ruined the show whenever she was on the screen.
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>>100752557
Stop the rant with a kiss! Stop it with a kiss!
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>>100759891
I disagree that tsunderes are about challenge

I think they're more about finding a pure girl who likes you so much she doesn't want to be hurt by admitting it

It's a thing for virgins who've never had girlfriends

on the other hand even the muggles out there have reasons that aren't challenge

maybe they like girls who banter well, and tsundere is the best way to get that, despite the generic nature of the archetype
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>>100759891
>What is the appeal of challenge?

Personal satisfaction.

Face it, any guy with enough confidence could easily score a cute timid librarian without much effort as long as they're considerate, thoughtful, compassionate, charming and especially if they read a lot themselves.

Congratulations faggot you literally just scored a girlfriend and considering the personality type and chemistry maybe potential wife, now the series won't take fucking 30+ episodes 3 seasons for this shit to resolve, it's School Days if Makoto hadn't been an idiot now all you have to do is keep her happy.

Now compare to THIS.

Would you NOT feel like some kind of champion after scoring finally scoring a sexy raven haired kuudere class prez with blood red eyes and antenna who occasionally whispers lewd thoughts into your ear and at one point gives you an innocent peck on the cheek in the hallway only to slip her apartment key?
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>>100760693
stop it by poppin dose sweater puppies out and givin the nipples a flick

holy shit those are some sugoi oppai
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>>100759891
>What is the appeal of challenge?

Personal satisfaction.

Face it, any guy with enough confidence could easily score a cute timid librarian without much effort as long as they're considerate, thoughtful, compassionate, charming and especially if they read a lot themselves.

Congratulations faggot you literally just scored a girlfriend and considering the personality type and chemistry maybe potential wife, now the series won't take fucking 30+ episodes 3 seasons for this shit to resolve, it's School Days if Makoto hadn't been an idiot now all you have to do is keep her happy.

Now compare to THIS.

Would you NOT feel like some kind of champion after scoring finally scoring a sexy raven haired kuudere class prez with blood red eyes and antenna who occasionally whispers lewd thoughts into your ear and at one point gives you an innocent peck on the cheek in the hallway only to slip her apartment key? By the way you're Alpha enough in this scenario to actually go for it.
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>>100760472
It's the old "Anime left out some parts from the source material" type thing. In the novels, Sera actually respects the MC for his fighting ability and it grows from there. She only bad mouths him when he does something perverted or he hits on another girl. She's actually pretty cute when she cooks.
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>>100760748
>Face it, any guy with enough confidence could easily score a cute timid librarian without much effort as long as they're considerate, thoughtful, compassionate, charming and especially if they read a lot themselves.

maybe in anime land you need all of that

in the real world you just need confidence, conversational ability, and neat appearance

you are so out of touch it's funny
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>>100760782
Or that. That works, too. I would be happy with either.
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Man, so much hate on best dere archetype in here
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>>100760844
>any guy with enough confidence could easily score a cute timid librarian without much effort
You are an idiot
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>Tsundere insults MC for no reason
>Calls him numerous terrible names
>MC can't keep quiet anymore
>Gets up in her face
>Punches her right in the gabber
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>>100760971
reverse cowgirl with hands on the boobs

her legs stretching so far down she can touch the floor but still sitting in your lap

years of ninja training made her muscles lean and tight

she finishes, after rocking your socks off, by turning around to give you a little kiss on the lips before standing up, and strutting off to the bathroom to clean up

dooouuuujiiiiin
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thread about a main character not dealing with a tsundere's bullshit

no one posting Kaze no Stigma yet

even if you don't like the show at all, watch it to know what it feels like to for once have an adult main character, who doesn't put up with childish tsundere bullshit
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>>100761149
don't you mean
>threatens to punch her
>holds back when she cringes bracing for impact
>tells her to be more careful in the future

that was like the one good interaction he had with a female cast member and it was still meh
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>>100761220
good show if you can get past the gary-stu-ness
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>>100761040
I don't mind it when it's done right (read when the heroine doesn't hit the MC) but that almost never happens these days. You actually have to look to find a good anime/manga/light novel with a tsundere like that. When you find that story with a good tsundere though, it's always a good read.
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>>100761163
You see, if someone could do that to a person mid-rant, then we wouldn't have a problem. Just a lot of sex with tsunderes, which is always nice.

And I agree. Someone call Japan. It needs to be drawn.
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>>100761220
Does the tsundere still win, at least?
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>>100757481
Kamille
Probably other Gundam Protagonists.
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>>100760907
>>100761116
The scenario is in fact becoming an MC.
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>>100761040
I don't hate it. I love tsundere like Hina, Shana, Kurisu, Rin, etc, but I hate some tsundere like Sera, Houki, etc.
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She shows a lot of respect for his abilities and even had perfectly normal conversations with him after some character development, mainly at the end of S1 and partway through S2.

The only real problem is that he's a pervert by nature and gets into a lot of compromising situations, which is why she verbally abuses him. It's clear that she likes him, but her pride can't let her accept that disgusting part of his personality. When he becomes a girl, he becomes more meek and less of an open pervert, so Sera has an easier time treating him politely.
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in KNIM all tsunderes got NTR'ed
good shit
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>>100758449
If you complete UBW and HF, you'd understand that Rin's more complex than that. Her issue is that she can talk the talk, but she can't walk the walk when it comes to magi life. She always acts like a hardass and comes off as extreme as times, but she never follows through because of the kindness in her heart inherited from Tokiomi. In UBW, she refrains from killing Shirou despite having no reason not to (she is one of the only main characters that don't kill Shirou, even in bad ends). In HF, she fails in killing Sakura at the last moment in both the dead and normal ends.
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>>100761650
I don't know what that acronym is and I don't want to.

Tsundere a best.
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>>100758957
>i don't think there's a point to fiction if you don't try to understand a character and instead prefer to judge them.

This sentence very nicely articulates what's wrong with about 75% of the people who post on /a/.
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name a show where the tsundere loses
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Sugawa best tsundere.
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>Main character is lacking in some kind of area of skill. piloting, fighting, whatever
>tsundere girl always calls him names, makes fun of him, calls him shit and tells him to give up already many times over
>main character just continues to channel his frustration and gets slowly better
>midway into the series, a vital mission or event. The tsundere decides to once again taunt him that its too dangerous or out of his league
>"shut up I'll show you!"
>main characters hard work pays off. He succeeds brilliantly where others have failed
>tsundere is impressed and wants to congratulate him
>main character ignores her. He is now the hero and admiration of everyone, but he won't let go of his resentment to her
>tsundere is shocked and spends the rest of the show trying to get back on his good side

would you watch it /a/ ?
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>>100761749
Its kimi no iru machi
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Tsundere is only good when they're not violent short cunts.
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>>100761418
author died

some say for making a male character not put up with a tsundere
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>>100761782
It's easier for sheep to take things at face value. It's even easier to blindly hate something if you don't understand it.
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>>100761782
sarcasm?
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>>100761901
>Winry
>Tsundere

Also, Kurisu was better when she *wasn't* a tsundere. Her character regresses every time she interacts as a tsundere with Okabe.
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>>100761795
Any of them where the tsundere isn't the girl in the title.
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>>100761650
>good shit

Nope. It's not good since an NTR'ing bitch is going to "win" in that and that's one of the few worse things than a violent childish tsundere.

>>100761749
Assuming you mean NTR, you might as well start desensitizing yourself to it or it's going to hit you hard when you first come across it.
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>>100761795
any harem with a non ending

hard mode: seto no hanayome
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>>100761728
I had finished all of FSN as it was being translated. I know that Rin isn't a cold-blooded killer. She still kills Sakura is she has geased Shirou or of he chooses to let her do it so she's still not nice. Also, Rin does kill Shirou in the ending leading to the 20th Tiger Dojo.

And "tries to refrain from murdering people" isn't a high bar to jump. (Shorter than the bar Shirou tried to jump at any rate.)
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>>100761901
Wrong. Most tsundere at the bottom ARE good and are hardly violent or real cunts.
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>>100762018
It is good, KNIM is a post modern descontruction on drama and romance
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>>100756080
Oh so what they've been saying this whole time is ''I'd like you better if you were the same gender as me''
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>>100762078
Maybe Shana. But the rest, are you fucking kidding me?
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>>100761901
>Rin
>Shitty
>One of the staple tsundere characters
Yeah, nah you don't know shit.
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>>100761969
No, I'm serious. It seems like a lot of people deliberately take character actions out of context just so they can lambast them.
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>>100756811
>Also she literally tries to kill him once, in the school.

As opposed to figuratively?
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That feel when your waifu is tsundere so she hits you and calls you an idiot. But, she isn't strong enough to physically harm you and you think it's cute so you kiss her to make her stop. She blushes, obviously swayed by your sudden sign of affection amidst her battering of your body and after a few mere seconds she kisses you back in return. You remain like this for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted and then you slowly pull away from each other. She stares into your eyes, and you are already doing the same with a horribly goofy smile that sends her heart pounding at a much faster rate than normal. Her face goes cherry red once again, and she punches you to cover up her embarrassment. She calls you an idiot afterwards. You only stare at her for a few seconds, saying nothing. She asks you why you're staring, acting as though she doesn't care. Again with your goofy smile you just laugh at how horribly cute she is while flustered. And she starts to hit you and call you an idiot again.
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>>100761901
Isn't "good tsundere" an oxymoron?
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>>100761901
You accidentally inverted the lists for the most part, friend
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Classic Tsundere is best.
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>>100762099
Seo being a shit writer to the point that it comes across as a deconstruction doesn't make it any good. It just means the forced drama was fucking retarded.
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>>100761901
Can somebody please fix this?

They got Winry and Yui right so don't change that.
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>>100762137
>Taiga
>Rin
>Misaka
>Kirino
No, I'm not. If you think differently, then I don't think you saw their shows or read their series. Especially for Kirino. Don't bother comparing her to S1 or volumes that S1 only covered.
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>>100762070
Rin only kills Sakura in one ending, but that was because Shirou essentially forced her to do it.

>And "tries to refrain from murdering people" isn't a high bar to jump.
In a war when no one, not even Shirou, has problems killing, I'd say it's pretty telling of her compassion.
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>>100762268
At least he didn't do suzuka 2
thank fucking god that shit ended
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>>100762143
i thought you were the guy i was talking to in the first place just being a dick and trying to use sarcasm to imply that i'm wrong

in that case, yes, and thankyou for calling my post articulate
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>>100762150
I would like that to happen.
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>>100761901
Holy shit, it's you again. Just kill yourself.
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>>100762325
that's the same tripfag that has been insisting the whole thread through that every character he doesn't like is shit

his next response will be some variation of "but you're wrong because she does things that aren't perfectly moral"
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>>100761920
>sheep

I like you.
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>>100757481
It is illegal in Japan to create a male character with dignity and self-respect. A male who stands up to a woman is Evil Incarnate. To a Japanese there is no greater offense.

India, Sweden, and Japan have THE most emasculated men on the planet. They likely celebrate their emasculation by castration themselves. Then feasting on their severed genitals and crap them out on a plate as feces and eat them again to show just how emasculated they are.
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>>100762324
You're the same tsun whiteknight who sees abuse and violence as not abuse and violence. Those girls are even the most violent in their series.
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>>100762325
Rin kills Sakura in both endings that lead to Tiger Dojo 30 and 31. In the latter Shirou is determined to save Sakura, but Rin uses her geas to stop him and then kills her.

And it's not a high bar if you compare her with a normal human being.
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>>100762529
I haven't watched Rie's other roles, but Taiga is a terrible character.
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>>100762566
What do you define as normal? I'd imagine anyone would struggle with sacrificing one person to save a country. It's not as black and white as you think it is, nor is your crass generalization of people as simple.
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>>100762529
>no Senjougahara
You're not even good kid.
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>>100762351
Famous last words Anon. With KNIM ending he's going to be able to focus on another project. Though he'll probably just end up just shitting over Princess Lucia now that he'll need an outlet for his drama autism.
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>>100761795
Outbreak Company
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>>100758400
THIS. What good is it if the MC smacks a VILLAIN FULL ON EVIL bitch when he lets his so called female "friends" kick him, electrocute him, abuse him, mooch off him, etc? It comes off as bipolar disorder.

Evil bitch is friend, so....be punching bag. That faggot would probably let himself get killed if the female villains said "Wait a second we're totally friends even though its not true. And as such you should let me kill you." And Touma complies.
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>>100757481
Ko (or Ric) in Arakawa Under the Bridge is not afraid to speak his mind when it won't get him killed. That being said its never to a tsun girl only to literally crazy people.
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>>100762070
>Also, Rin does kill Shirou in the ending leading to the 20th Tiger Dojo.
That was a mercy kill.
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>>100761795
Index.
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>>100762689
PL is pure fanservice mang, you can't fuck that up
Now,if hes doing a new IP...
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>>100762529
Haqua is OLEV
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>>100762529
>Taiga
>good

sure, if you self-insert as her.
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>>100762521
>same
>anonymous
Okay.

Violence is violence, and so what? People get violent for different reasons. Those girls have reasons to be violent. They're tsundere who start off hostile and aloof, but eventually stop or crease significantly overtime by becoming more deredere. That's one of the appeal of tsundere. Not even mentioning those girls have exceptional development, making them lovable and their reason behind their tsun understandable.
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>>100762529
I had dropped Toradora after the first episode. The MC bent over backwards assist Taiga and did chores such as cleaning her room or cooking for her. She then responded by assaulting him with a wooden sword and trying to kill him. She was psychotic. The MC should have gotten a restraining order against her.
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>>100762584
Wait, someone has the same opinion as me? Is today Opposite Day?
Louise from zero no tsukaima is voiced by Rei and she is even worse.
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>>100762661
Senjougahara isn't tsundere because shes point blank in your face with her feelings and honest with her self. Shes just really fucking nuts.
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>>100762933
I wouldn't mind Taiga if she wasn't physically abusive. I'm fine with classic tsunderes since I like the idea of a girl eventually succumbing to love, but physical violence is where I draw the line.
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But tsunderes being violent is top tier comedy
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>>100760301
>>100760360
a-am I watching the right one?
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>>100763091
My dick ravaging your boypussy is top tier comedy.
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>>100762584
What's wrong with you? Taiga's growth in becoming an angelic angel from tiger-like feral child is wonderful. She wanted to held back for her best firmed, but she couldn't stop her feelings for Ryuuji when she fell for him after spending so much time with him.

>>100762933
>after the first episode
You should watch the whole show before giving any opinion.
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>>100763024
The bokken stops getting used on Ryuuji after the first episode or two. Then it's just an anger and sadness and confusion and love and hate and metaphorical nosebleeds.
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>>100762860
GREATEST
>>100762584
LOVE STORY
>>100762933
EVER
>>100763024
TOLD
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>>100763130
Taiga a shit
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>>100763130
Anime is a form of entertainment. Forcing myself to watch a series I did not enjoy seems utterly pointless.
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>>100763120
Now that I think of it, yeah it is
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>>100762879
Then why are you denying that they're violent? They also tried to kill or cause permanent damage to the MC, and those "reasons" are nothing more than selfish motives, that's what I call being a cunt. And their development isn't "exceptional", it's predictable and forced.
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>>100763091
Top tier comedy. I wish we could do an experiment. Guys who find female abuse to be all good.

Let's round them up. Hire women only for the purpose of torturing them and let's see how much they like it. In case of masochists, automatic castrations are in order to make sure they cannot get any sexual release from the experience.

That should change your perspective about the shitty double-standard of Its Funny When a Female Abuses a Male.
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>>100763130
Autocorrect?

Also I probably agree.
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>>100763192
The Black Time trilogy is the greatest love story ever told.
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>>100752878
>Then later show her in her room crying into her hands repeating "Nande?"
Anime needs more crying girls
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>>100763192
Nah, I'd say that's either WA2 or Clannad.

>>100763178
Does it? I recall it popping up here and there afterwards. I know for a fact that it happened again in the VN.
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>>100763192
The Black Time trilogy is the greatest love story ever told.
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>>100763244
But are they being tsundere?
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>>100763244
Son did you see how mad you were just going?
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>>100756080
I wish to fuck Ayumu
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>>100763193
Taiga tripfag a shit, you mean.

>>100763200
I guess, but you're missing out.

>>100763248
I hate when it does that.
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>>100763302
I think she used it during the cat fight.
Citation needed, though.
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>>100753575
If you're actually sadistic, and confident, you know damn well they're too shy to be honest. Getting a rise out of them is delicious.
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>>100763318
>>100763244
>post is calm and reasonably written
>I can't argue with this so I'm just gonna say he's mad
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>>100763322
Ayumu's breasts are bigger than Sera's.
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>>100763409
You compared physical comedy to castration and torture

Do you not see the disconnect?
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>>100763244
Comedy is simply tragedy happening to someone else.
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>>100763451
>Fem!Ayumu

My dick. I can't believe there is no S3. Fuck DEEN for ruining S2 and catering to retards.
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>>100763498
Castration HAS been made into a humorous thing so long as the would be victim is male. Even American cartoons with all their censorship can crack castration jokes in kids shows. Look at Dan Vs for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7Ug6nTlRU

All abuse is funny so long as its Female on Male. I bet if a guy said "I'm going to rip out your womb and force feed it to you" to a woman the writers would be black listed from ever working again.
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>>100763200
I think what the /a/non meant is that if you only watch one episode and drop a series, you void your right to criticize characters as a whole.

You must specify your opinion of them in the one episode you watch

i.e. Taiga worst girl in ep 1
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>>100763409
You said that you wanted to castrate a bunch of people for no reason because it is funny.
I would HOPE someone saying that is mad. A person saying that with their wits about them is dangerous.
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>>100763498
>>100763761
I'm not even the guy you were replying to, but the point he was trying to make was that people need to see the extremes of something to get this "lel physical abuse so fanny" attitude out of their heads.

see
>>100763703
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>>100763540
Fuck DEEN for not doing SnI Lv2 either.
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>>100752557

Did Haruna win in the novels yet?
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Didn't this kinda happen in Ben-to?
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>>100763703
All abuse is funny so long as its Female on Male.
Yeah, because a guy can fight back if it was serious
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>>100752557
tsunderes deserve to be raped
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>>100758824
Naru is an inconsiderate, mean spirited cunt though.
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What happens if both MC and main girl are tsundere?
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>>100763827
>extremes

Different poster altogether here, but holy shit are you dumb if you seriously believe there's no difference between extreme that is bad and non-extreme that's made to be for humor. We haven't even began to discuss the culture difference that Japan and many other countries uses when it comes to giving in to/accepting physical abuse from girls because it's endearing or can be made endearing from the concept of amae.
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>>100753824
It clearly exists in american animation too just look at hey Arnold
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>>100763918
No. Fagto is an emasculated faggot who NEVER defended himself from bitches outside the fighting arena. He was a pussywhipped faggot. Its not even the Ume thing. When one of his "female friends" threw away his videogames out the window even though they had NO right to ever destroy someone else's property. At the end of the episode after Fagto broke his bones trying to save his videogames, we're supposed to accept that bitch's "I'm sorry I didn't know videogames mattered to you that much" apology? The faggot cock sucking white knight retard writers SHOULD have made that cunt pay Fagto back for his ruined videogame consoles.
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>>100764070
This.
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>>100763942
If a guy fights back against a female automatically he becomes King of Domestic Violence or a woman batterer even if she deserves it. White knight cock sucking faggotry is a flaw of the human species. One that men are proud to have within themselves. That's why whenever I hear stories of men who die protecting women, I'm glad. Disposable shits deserve to lose their lives.

My only regret is that in death, they never realize that the woman they white knight faggoted for spread her legs open for some other guy while the dead man is not even a faded memory in the cunt's mind.

And speaking of white knight faggotry, I hate Oda from One Piece for that shit.
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>>100764070
Infinite Baka Loop.

Does anyone have an image or gif of Rin and Shirou trying to white knight each other in UBW?
Or Shirou and Archer shouting Baka at each other while dodging magic attacks?
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>>100763118
Yep, just stick with it. It happens near the end of the episode.
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>>100764074
I draw the line when the girl starts hitting the MC with hard objects like wooden swords for virtually no reason whatsoever. Just because it's made for humor doesn't mean that it should be perfectly fine, or that whoever is doing it isn't acting like a shitty human being.

Again, see >>100763703 and >>100764237. The only time I remember a girl getting physically abused (the girl getting whipped and treated like an animal was all in good fun, ofc) by the MC was in Dragon Pink.

Santa a shit husbando
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>>100765000
>Projecting

You should stop this.
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>>100765143
Fuck you, I got trips.
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I want this bed
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>>100762529
Winry doesn't belong.
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>>100765641
>Shit taste expert.jpg
Fixed.
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>>100765768

Don't be hating just cause you're tasteless and and uncultured, anon.
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Tohsaka a best
Taiga a great
Louise a bit too dangerous...Saito could easily have died, but still good
Othees also a good
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>>100765282
Same here. If I'm going to be a NEET, might as well go the whole 10 yards.
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>>100764070
It's a really weird and definitely not a common pairing. Personalities need to complement each other.
>>100764162
Ranma is not tsundere.
Ryouga is.
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>>100765843
>tasteless
>uncultured
>Posts popular and babby's first tsundere bitches
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>>100764070
Tsundere male and tsundere female couples are usually the best OTP. Nisekoi is prove of this.
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>>100765999
Ryoga isn't a tsundere. He loves Akane but can't confess and is friendzoned. Ranma loves Akane but keeps insulting her, which is what she does to him as well. He only admits he loves her after 38 volumes when he thinks she has died.
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While tsunderes struggling to be honest can be cute and endearing, I have a really low tolerance for physical violence and double standards in general so the appeal of many tsunderes is lost on me.

Also, classic tsundere > modern tsundere. Objective fact.
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>>100766104
This. I'm not even an Asukafag, but she had a very well-developed and interesting character. You don't tend to see this shit in modern tsunderes.
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>>100766056
>Believes popularity is relevant
>Cares about first or not
>B-Bitches!

You've proven me correct.
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>>100766104
The problem with modern tsundere is that it's extremely exaggerated. It's always easy to exaggerate a character's trait than giving him/her some deeper development. A tsundere which is 90 % of the time tsun-tsun (and too violent) is shit.
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>>100766104
>Objective
>fact

Are you retarded? What you stated is subjective. That should be damn obvious when you're biased.

>>100766165
Asuka is always said to be a modern type. Do you know your tsundere?
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>>100766277
Maybe not? Kirino started out all tsun, rather, almost all tsun with little dere. The series itself even pokes fun about that point regarding the ratio. She gets less tsun and more dere after story progression, and ended up the best girl.
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Anon's got me thinking...how many tsundere x tsundere anime are there? noise koi was mentioned...
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>>100766318
>Do you know your tsundere?

In fact anon, I don't.

sometimes I don't think I really care about anime as much as /a/ does.
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>>100764237
>Disposable shits

Incredible
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>>100766318
>Asuka is always said to be a modern type. Do you know your tsundere?

Nah brah, she had actual logic behind her tsundere ways. That's a classic tsundere. All these contemporary bitches are just archetypes harping on something they aren't and the increase in violence is a stab at trying to make them more memorable outside of fap fodder instead of making them actual characters.
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>>100757481
Kyon was going to punch out God until everyone begged him not to
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>>100766743
You don't know the difference between classic and modern, then.
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>>100759145
>>100759340
>>100761821
Anyways here's exactly how I'd write a tsundere at least the first time around.

The key here is I would personally say is sympathy so even if they're not violent they still have legitimate reason for being a bit of a bitch at times.


>track runner with long unkempt twintails who lives with her widowed father
>is not at all abusive and at most will violently shove someone out of the way
>rather than lashing out physically or verbal abuse is almost mute and has a constant glare
>will only hit someone when well and seriously pissed off and hits HARD
>MC later finds out she has a a severe inferiority complex that was further amplified by failing to win a previous MC who was her first love
>softens while he's in the hospital after saving her life
>becomes his first girlfriend
>first time
>trashes main girl for being a bitch when he has to take care of a new homeless sick girl and she becomes insecure to the point of breaking up
>accepts harem end
>loves cake and sometimes makes a kyuu~ sound when eating it


Hopefully I did alright.
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>>100766743
That's not what classic tsundere is. What are you talking about.
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>>100766904
Please, enlighten us as to the difference between classic and modern tsundere.
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Nah, not really. Sera just has a thing for cute stuff and fem!Ayumu is obviously cute as fuck.
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Best response is to ignore the girl. Pretend she is air, she don't exist. That will drive her insane and she will leave you alone.
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>>100766910
When you say 'MC' do you mean 'male love interest'? You don't seem to use the term in reference to the protagonist
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>autists that cant read basic body language flip shit at a girl being tsudere instead of being tender with her
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>>100766318
>>100766743
Asuka is a deconstruction of the Tsundere character type. Anno accurately portrays the amount of trauma, sexual repression, and communication issues involved in a tsundere character, and thus gives Asuka a human dimension to which we, as viewers, can feel sympathy, empathy, or be emotionally affected beyond simple fanservice.
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>>100766938
A classic tsundere will start off cold and generally tsun-tsun, but will slowly warm up until the end. It is a very gradual process. A modern tsundere is volatile. They're prone to fits of tsun-rage and dere-mushiness whenever the object of their desire sets off something inside them.

Classic makes more sense...

While modern is a bit cuter.
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>>100760472
Anime cut out a few things. In the novels, she only really badmouths him when he gets on her bad side, does stupid shit and does something to hurt someone's feelings.
Outside of that, she respects him for his battle prowess and devotion to Eu. She's also quite the bro, with how she occasionally tells him that he fucked up and then helps him remedy the situation. She eventually grows to like him, though her immense pride prevents her from admitting it.
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>>100767036
Not sure what you meant.

I literally meant a previous protagonist.

I think trying to keep things in the same universe would be interesting to readers.
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>>100758778
Was going to suggest Ahika as well. Only problem is you have to play through either Arc or Ciel's route before you can access it. Also it's the only route with no happy endings.
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>>100767210
Ooh. That's interesting. My only problem is that it seems like she's less 'tsundere' and more 'girl that looks really intensely at you from across the room'. Those aren't mutually exclusive, but I still feel off about it.
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>>100767322
Actually she seems a bit more like Classic Tsundere from what I'm reading in this thread which I like.
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>>100761795
Akane-iro will always hold the title in this, not just for having the Tsundere lose, but for having the Rie Tsundere lose, to the sister.
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>>100764133
This makes me laugh for some reason.

I mean I totally understand what you are saying but still. Just the way you put it? I don't know.
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Has there ever been a show where the tsunbitch doesn't win for once usually the fucking focus is on her and usually does nothing be a cunt. And no there is no excuse for her being that way.
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>>100766743
It's easy to make logical assessments and draw connections behind why a tsundere behaves and acts the way she does. This can be done for nearly every tsundere, both classic and modern.

The whole thing about "classic" and "modern" is stupid though. In fact, it's downright wrong and is built on misconceptions and ignorance. The tsundere that some people nowadays label as modern have existed for just as long as tsundere labeled classic have. So, there IS no difference between eras at all. People can categorize tsundere by various types, usually by tsun/dere ratio, but it's wrong and moronic to divide them by traditional and contemporary.

>>100767180
You're nearly correct. But you are making a mistake by implying modern don't warm up gradually as well. They can become deredere by the end, but normally retain some amounts of tsun (what kind differs from tsundere to tsundere based on design/personality), and that's done to ensure liveliness/spunk to satisfy people who still desire tsun even after the tsundere has gone deredere.
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>>100767535
Index.
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>>100767535
I'm sorry, how often does tsundere win when she isn't blatantly the focus of the show? Obviously Louise, Taiga, the girl from SAO and the like are gonna win - they're on the cover and/or in the title
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>>100767500
That is a glorious fucking bitchslap to all cliches plaguing harem.
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>>100767564
Nobody won in Index. Also, you're wrong either way.
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>>100767180
I love classic since the end result feels very gratifying since the MC earned the heroine's affection but I can see the charm in modern.
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>>100767646
The obvious main girl won. It's still cliche.
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>>100767646
That wasn't a harem though
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>>100767500
What? Fuck that.

Seriously, FUCK that.
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>>100767535
Yes, pic related.
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>>100767500
Yuuhi was adorable and seriously endearing. To see her come to like the MC despite having started off being unfriendly makes it all hotter. I'm still upset she lost.
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>>100767747
Both Sana and Sena are tsundere.

Sana was the best girl and is more than decent as a tsundere.
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>>100767692
It really wasn't clear which one was the main girl, and in fact the OP switched between the 2 every episode IIRC.

>>100767715
10/10 Sister, would fuck indeed.
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>>100767646
Incest always beats tsundere but if the sister is tsunbitch then it's the greatest love story ever told.
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Why do people hate best girls so much?
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>>100767702
I know, but I was just pointing it out.
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>>100767702
Except it was a harem, just only 3 of the girls really went after the MC in the anime, and the childhood friend never really had a chance.
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>>100767802
VN made it clear who the main girl was.
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>>100767747
Oh god don't remind me. Considering the freaking second half was basically a commercial for the psp visual novel was a kick in the pants. How else can you explain that route change halfway through?

Sana's route in that psp game though was godly and is the prime example of a classic tsundere done right.
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Why do you have such shit taste? Look inside your heart and you will know.
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>>100752557
This happens in 420 Blaze It Girl.
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>>100767715
What the fuck is your problem?

Tsundere not only lost, but best girl also WON.
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When do tsundere win?

SAO doesn't count. Every piece of promo art is of her, as is the OP. Neither does tsunRie, for obvious reasons. Oreimo has 'little sister' in the title.
You get the point. Does tsundere ever win when it isn't goddamn obvious?
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>>100753575

They are bossy and in control. I like that abit.
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>>100767979
Not that guy, but...
>best girl also WON
Not really.
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>>100767979
Those are contradictory points.
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>>100767747
Reminder that the translation for the VN is dead in the water as translators are MIA.
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>>100767998
Do you mean in the sense where she isn't introduced as first girl and is automatically the winner?
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>>100767914
>a commercial for the psp visual novel

It worked too but I don't have the sales pic. I would have played it as well if I could read it.
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>>100767998
>It doesn't count when there's a Tsundere in it!
Seriously?
I mean isn't it pretty much always obvious regardless of Tsundere or not?
The general complaint is that its usually obvious that when there is a Tsundere, she will win.
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>>100768122
Yes, I suppose.
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>>100762979
Holy shit I fucking hate how people don't know what a tsundere is anymore.

They've taken the "i-it's not like I like you or anything!" modern tsundere catch-phrase and assumed that's what makes someone a tsundere.

It's just a coincidence that a lot of modern tsundere happen to be shy. That's not a defining trait of tsundere. Tsundere just means violent and loving. That can be the modern type where she's violent one second and loving the next, or the classic type where she starts off violent but slowly falls in love and becomes full-on loving.
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Sera is an awful tsundere, but she is a gag tsundere with serious high levels of masochistic appeal.

It's not fair to use her as some sort of poster girl for tsunderes. Sera's design is actually rare since there aren't many gag tsunderes at all.
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>>100768128
Sana's route is great. If you ever get the chance to read moon, check it out. Her dere at the end is almost too much to take.
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>>100761795
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>>100768426
Sana is the most popular girl. She deserves her popularity.
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Are there any anime where MC had enough of tsundere's physical and verbal abuse and tell her to fuck off? I think not
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Have you worshipped her yet, today?
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>>100768494
More like best girl lost again.
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>>100767914
Sana set herself up to not win, and that's all her fault. Though I am interested in her route in the psp version.
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>>100752932
>Swearing
>Grown up language

Swearing indicates emotion, it indicates you're out of control of the situation and that you're upset to the point of irrationality.

Explaining in a cold voice that you want nothing more to do with them and asking them to kindly step out of your life is a more effective way to convey just how finished whatever relationship you had is.
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Any good male tsundere or tsundere x tsundere couples?
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>>100768569
Every day
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>>100768552
No author would write a serious story doing that. The MC would become an unlikable character if he did something like that.

The closest thing to that though is when the MC is a male tsundere who is tsundere for the main girl who's a tsundere herself too. Pairing like these often produce the best chemistry or at least the hottest chemistry that makes you want to think "Just fuck already". Just read/watch Nisekoi if you want to see something like this.
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>>100768659
The Cat in Fruits Basket.
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>>100768160
A lot of series that I know are still ongoing though. Your request also takes into account the first girl not winning so it's a bit hard. The closest I could think of is the visual novel Period (if you use the true route) and Shuffle maybe.
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>>100768569
Saw ep.3 of WCW today. I instantly knew who was voicing Chronoire Schwarz VI the second I heard her speak. I was fapping like crazy.
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>>100768722
Funny, I had just come here to ask if Nisekoi was tsundere winning tsundere as I had heard.

So, just to be clear...tsundere girl wins, and the MC is tsundere?
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>>100768659
Kamisama Kiss.
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>>100768569
I found out she'll be voicing someone in Noragami and eagerly await said character's appearance now.
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>>100762840
My friend of African-American descent! Truly you have the taste of a gentleman and a scholar.
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I just remembered...Rie once voiced a tsundere GPS. Like, an actual, functional GPS that was tsundere in how it read out instructions.

I may need to move to Japan just so I can hear her angrily guide me around Osaka.
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>>100757153
This guy gets it
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>>100768870
Manga is still on-going. It's really a shown down between the promised girl and the tsundere girl. The latter has the greater chance at winning than the former.
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>>100753955
>"I really hate you"
>"You are a nuisance"
>"Now get the hell out of my house/room/wardrobe/bed"
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We tsun and dere?
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>>100768870
Hah,

Not who you're responding to, but trust me when I say that the MC isn't tsundere, nor does the female tsundere win, now does it look like anyone is going to 'win' for the next two years at least or when the goodwill this series originally generated dries up.

Whichever comes first.
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>>100769004
Ah. Thank you.
That helps a lot.
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>>100768945
I still can't believe there are tsundere maid cafes
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>>100768934
Haqua a shiiiiiiit
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>>100769026
Yes.
>>100768945
YES.
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>>100769081
I heard about two tsundere cafés. Is there another one that's also a maid cafe, or did the tsundere cafe add maid outfits to the uniform?
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Holy shit this thread.
So many retards. So much shit taste.
If you can't stand being hit by some weak girl, then you cannot be called man.
If women are brutes it is up to men to show them who is civilized.
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>>100757481
I think this happens because of this: her behavior is obviously unacceptable, but you will not point that and make she lose face. The fun in this situation is of the "things you have to put up with".
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>>100769072
Wat. Anon, how is Raku not tsundere towards Chitoge? He isn't later on, but the relationship and dynamic involved between the two developed in a way only a double tsundere pairing would.
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>>100769184
Tsundere a best!
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>>100769184
>it is completely excusable to be an insufferable bitch

top fucking lel
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>>100768945
This used to get posted a lot back then.

Anyone still have the YT link of it?
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>>100769231
It is inexcusable for man to loose his cool and call anyone a bitch in fit of rage.
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>>100769231
>top fucking lel
Just...kill yourself, dude.
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>>100754032
More like rejoices.
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>>100769248
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf6baKNrC48
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>>100769287
Only the bad /a/ is happy when best dere is sad.
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Anyone else want to try making a tsundere?

I want to see what /a/ can really do.
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Have some Wakamoto GPS to go with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lzG9MnkVlA
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>>100769263
Making tsundere love you is like taming a wild beast.
No matter how many times it kicks, bites or shits on you, if you persevere in your systematic and calm-minded work, the beast will understand you mean no harm to it and will slowly realize it can profit by being nice to you.
And for a man, this is great thing, because this gives him control over the wild beast and all the pluses the beast can have.
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>>100769321
Okay, so, just to be different...
The first the protagonist sees of her is her dere side, and the tsun comes later.
Next!
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>>100769378
And only weak-willed man would stop halfway and scream and insult the beast in wild rage. Because there is no way the beast will understand and worse, it can make beast even more wary of the man trying to tame it.
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>>100769378
I want to lay the tsunbeast
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>>100752557
After the first insult, I wouldn't even bother yelling or anything, I'd just walk the fuck off.

I'd give her one chance to fix that attitude if she wishes to associate with me any further.
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>Tsundere insults MC
>MC hangs himself
>Tsundere hangs herself

rate out of 10
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>>100769321
The grade S ZR and pigtails are what CAUSES tsundere. They aren't a byproduct.
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>>100769530
4/10 Needs more love
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>>100769551
[citation needed]
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>>100769551
Twintails, damn it.
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>>100769588
No, that's my pitch. We're making a twist on a tsundere character.
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>>100769530
>they meet in afterlife
>they fall in love
>stuff happens and MC "sacrifices" himself so the girl can return back to life
>she remembers and comes to his grave every month
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>>100769625
7/10 needs more setup.

Almost there.
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>>100769724
>tsundere is a necrophile due to dying once
>opens MC graves
>steals his remains
>uses his bones as dildos
>MC returns as revengeful ghost
>rest of series follows his attempts to drive her insane
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>>100769724
>they were actually lovers in previous life
>the girl sacrificed herself to save the MC
>before MC dies, he remembers this and thus sacrifices himself to repay her
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>>100769625
>>100769802
>>100769837

>Tsundere insults MC
>MC hangs himself
>Tsundere hangs herself
>Tsundere turns into satan
>generic shounen anime
>MC finally purifies her and she confesses her love
>MC leans close and whispers
>fuck you

the end
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The most important distinction between a good and bad tsundere is the ratio of tsun:dere. A bad writer thinks that the appeal of the tsundere is only the tsun half, since it's often the most obviously unique trait of the archetype and thus exaggerates it or even removes any dere whatsoever ie. Kirino. In actuality both halves are equally important, and the true appeal is in the interplay between them or dissonance between their outward actions and true feelings.
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>>100757481
Kaze No Stigma.

Hero we need, but do not deserve...
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>>100770074
>is the ratio of tsun:dere
and we have a winner
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>>100770074
Kirino has plenty of dere. Did you watched S2?
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>>100770074
Wrong.
The important disctinction is MC. If he is some douche who cases every skirt or is completely dense to any romantic approach, then that will make tsundere as bad.
But if MC is reasonable and intelligent and realizes the girl has actually feelings for him, but has hard time expressing them, then it will make the tsundere look extremely good.
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>>100770157
Dropped at episode 9 because it was garbage, it may very well be true in the final 3 episodes she has a complete change (they do get married apparently), but if you're claiming that she did before that point, I call bullshit. She was pretty bitchy

>>100770192
Objection, the quality of the MC and the tsundere are both dependent on the writer being good or bad so a show with a half decent MC is more likely to have a better tsundere and vice versa. Correlation, not causation.
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>>100769184
Tsunderes are a sort of mixed bag for me really. For the most part, they just remind me of all the catty bitches I encountered while growing up, but as this anon pointed out:
>>100770074
Hardly anyone does tsundere right. The highlighted aspect is not supposed to be their anger or bitchiness, it's the internal struggle with their feelings.
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>>100769314

How dare someone stand up for themselves and not take emotional, verbal, and physical abuse.

God, it's like these people want healthy relationships or something!
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>>100758824

Many Tsunderes are literally emotionally, verbally, and physically abusive.

No matter how you try to justify them being abusive. The fact remains that they're abusive.

Let me ask this question, flip the genders around and have a male character treat a female character -exactly- like a lot of these tsundere female characters treat males. Including the physical violence?

not so fucking funny or permissible anymore I bet.
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>>100770157
>plenty of dere
do you faggots ever get tired of spouting such nonsense?, the bitch didn't even had a dere side it was more of a stupid emotional blush full of bullshit dialogue and retarded, vapid, superficial feelings.
basically grown Kirino [Torture dungeon]'d young Kirino and turn out to be a complete bitch
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>>100770285
>Dropped at one of the best episode of the series, and probably the best arc in Kirino's growth and nature of her complicated feelings
I have a hard time believing you, anon. She didn't get to this point overnight. Loads of blushing, flustering, and cute moments accompanied her throughout her....life counseling journey with her brother.

And actually, there are 16 episodes, so....
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>>100770542

>>100770632
Also, please go away Rurifag.
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>>100761901
>Hinagiku
>not violent
Die.
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>>100768619
I`m kinda late but her route is where she obviously shines the most. It basically starts off with the MC joining Mui`s and Sana`s club. Things diverge from there with the MC and Shana slowly coming together. There`s some drama with her family but it`s resolved rather quickly. It`s one of those routes where the focus is mostly on character interactions than plot and it really shows. Watching her slowly going dere which cultivates with her calling the MC by his first name is really a miracle of the universe.
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>>100752557
That is just one of many bullshit things those Japs seem to pile into their weird emplotments.

>MC is viciously assaulted by some girl with malicious intent
>"Tell me your story and let's be friends forever and ever!"
>Girl instantly loves MC with an uncompromising desire

>MC is too fucking useless to do shit about anything
>Will nonetheless spout out shit about how they should protect girls, like they were made of porcelain, because "be a man"

>Girls relentlessly abuse MC
>Call him shit
>Never hear him out if something questionable or accidental happens
>Beat the crap out of him for no reason

You know, I don't believe in that whole alpha-beta shit, but fuck, some MCs really are beta. Seriously, I've met some pretty timid and boring people in my time, and even they tell people to go fuck themselves when they're being bothered.
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>>100752557
this is why Kyon is the best MC the anime world ever had
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>>100771781
The punch scene was glorious. All the bitch MCs can't even stand up and say shit when this guy was going to pop God one.
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>>100762624
Wrong, she even says herself that she isn't willing to take a risk to save someone, evev when the stakes are low. Sakura wasn't the source of the problem and it was easily verified when Shirou investigated Kotomine's obvious sketchiness, and Rin believed him even when he was smiling at her about offing her sister. Rin may be compassionate, but it showed she was as flawed as any other human being throughout the route who should have been more honest. Even when Sakura raised the white flag, she threw down the gauntlet for no reason. Hell, if she was compassionate, she would have banked on the final surgery to get the last worm in Sakura's heart in the church on day 8, instead of saying, "fuck it, i'll kill her" and forcing Sakura to have her last moments in despair, in one end being killed by her beloved sister, and the other with both that and knowing her beloved senpai threw her under the bus. Rin has many flaws, you have to accept that much.
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Tsundere are best with ribbons.
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>>100770468

I know, right? Good points!

Thank the gods none of this is real, we're all just talking about cartoons, and 4chan isn't a Men's Rights forum.
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>>100767559
I would argue that we are living in the age of the postmodern tsundere in which tsun and dere are expressed in quantum superposition.
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>>100773954
Anyone else here feel that, on average, hentai does tsundere better than anime does?
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>>100775053
>>100773954
Didn't mean to quote
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>>100774677

Taiga is such a shit person.

Lazy as fuck, lives in garbage.
Selfish and very self-absorbed.
Rich trustfund kid who doesn't have any ambition.
Violent, to the point she breaks into a strangers house and assaults them for an envelope.
Not to mention fucking greed, eating all his goddamn rice afterwards.

Taiga a serious shit and worst girl.
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>>100770087
That shall never be continued
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>>100768635
>it indicates you're out of control of the situation and that you're upset to the point of irrationality


Or you can use it to so eloquently inform someone how little they know about vampires.
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So how did I do with my tsundere? Tried to lean more toward Classic. >>100766910
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>>100771781
Sugita MCs are awesome MCs
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>>100768128
Here, bub.
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>>100752557
I always get angry when tsundere is hanging around the MC's house, eating his food, spending his money, and treating him like shit. Only to see the MC kiss her ass.

Its like the MC in every series has beaten wife syndrome.
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>>100763118
>VLC



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