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3 episodes in, how stupid do I have to be to enjoy this show and its glaring plotholes and/or lack of common sense?
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>>100748385
Supposedly the LNs are better.
But when you start using that as an excuse you know an anime's going downhill fast.
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>>100748385
at least it's not SAO/10
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>>100748385
Give a bit more elaboration. What glaring plotholes and/or lack of common sense?
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>>100748385
Care to name some, OP?
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>>100748481

Like, its cute...but.

Why is nobody talking about how to get home?
Why are the players (people trapped in a simulated reality against their will) acting like everything is okay?

I cant 'just enjoy this'. Its mildly entertaining but why waste such a cool premise?
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I'm only watching this shit for the cute girls
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>>100748385
very stupid OP, just drop it.
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It's literally aimed at little kids, it's decent for that.

>>100748721
>>100748756
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>>100748868
Oh.
Maybe only /a/ played Elder Tale, so all the people playing when it became real wouldn't want to go home.
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>>100748697
"We have no idea if dying in the game will kill us for real.... let's go experiment by getting outselves killed to see if it kills us for good!"
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>>100748756
They're not acting like it's okay. That's the whole point of the first eight episodes.

And they do talk about getting home. In the LNs. And later in the LNs (volumes 5-8, not going to be covered in the anime) the various ways they attempt to get home become a major plot.
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>>100748756
How are they acting like everything is okay? Do you not see the background characters in Akiba and how distraught they seem? Are you incapable of reading the gloomy atmosphere? That's on you if so.
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OP's brain is full of holes, thus lacking common sense.
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>>100748756
>Why is nobody talking about how to get home?
How, exactly? Are they going to build themselves a digital raft and sail it back to the real world?
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>>100748756
>Why is nobody talking about how to get home?
What do you expect them to say? None of them has a fucking clue how to get home. They already know dying won't work. At least they're being proactive in searching for answers while increasing quality of life.
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>>100748868

yeah you're right. i've been a fool to expect more

whats good seinen this season
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>>100748985
If they die, they just respawn at the cathedral.

If they're blacklisted from the cathedral because a player bought it, similar to how Shiroe bought the guild hall, they disappear forever. Nobody knows if they made it back to the real world or just died for real.
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>>100749045
Watch and find out.
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>>100748995

>gloomy atmosphere
>kawaii jokes every other second

nigga u got autism. shit is retarded and extremely far removed from how people would react realistically.
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>>100748756

>Why is nobody talking about how to get home?
They don't even know how they got there.
How on earth can they just say "Lets figure out how to get home"- where would they even start?
That's usually the premise of these sorts of stories- but only because a way of getting home usually conveniently presents itself. This is basically what would happen if that wasn't the case.

>Why are the players (people trapped in a simulated reality against their will) acting like everything is okay?
Well again, given the aforementioned they're just trying to make the best of their situation. Even then there's a lot of people freaking out.

>Its mildly entertaining but why waste such a cool premise?
How is this wasting it exactly?

I actually don't care much for this show but if these are your reasons for disliking it then you're a retard.
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>>100748985
Did you not hear the part where they talked about that and specifically said, "Well it's not like we can experiment."

Someone presumably died on accident, and then the word spread. I'm sure there were people camping the cathedral just waiting to see if someone would respawn.
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>>100748985
Fucking kill yourself for your own fucking stupidity you illiterate faggot.
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>>100748985
So you completely missed the part where they say some guy died cuz he fucked up and was revived on the cathedral? Do you have problems paying attention or something?
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>>100749186
>cuz
Don't type like a retard.
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At least nobody in Log Horizon is sitting around waiting for fruit to fall off an in-game tree so they can sell it for 10 gold because they're too afraid of being killed by boars.
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When someone dislikes a show you don't like for stupid reasons.
One of the most confusing feelings.
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>>100748985
>"We have no idea if dying in the game will kill us for real.... let's go experiment by getting outselves killed to see if it kills us for good!"

What? That didnt happen.

Them setting off to Suskino happened a few weeks into the game becomming reality. By that point, people had died and respawned and word had gotten out that death doesnt mean death any more.
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>>100749179
>CR
no you should kill yourself.
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>>100749044

>they're roleplaying for some reason
>they are upset over the killing of NPCS
>they dont really talk about their lives ever, if only for exposition and moving the plot forward here and there

its so far removed from how people would realistically react it just astounds me
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>>100749209
Nice strawman bro. Keep up the good work.
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>>100749229
Is this a reference to something? It doesn't ring a bell, but it reads like it's a reference to something.
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>>100749276
I am not the dumbfuck OP, but you are not better, write like an adult.
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>>100748985
They didn't experiment dying. No one tried that until one adventurer died to the guards. He wasn't even trying to die. Hell, its said in the 2nd episode.
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@OP

"It was stylistically designed to be that way"

LOL
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I like it, but Scrub Horizon was really tedious in its explanation of game mechanics.
>implying ADD
No, I was fine sitting through it, but it was still tedious.
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>>100748385
you have to as stupid as Einstein, I guess
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>>100749258
>they're roleplaying for some reason
Yeah I don't really get that.

>they are upset over the killing of NPCS
So far they are essentially sentient dude. If you don't have a problem with killing them then just because they aren't "human" then you're being dumb. Because remember this isn't just them being trapped in a game they've played, the game has become so intricately complex that it's essentially a world in it's own right, with actual thinking, feeling beings in it.

>they dont really talk about their lives ever, if only for exposition and moving the plot forward here and there.

Their real lives aren't exactly relevant to what they're doing at the moment.
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>>100749405

op here, i imagine they keep the "game mechanics" pretty vague for plot fluidity and writing purposes

nothing new there. cant have the badass hyper-intelligent nerd archtype come up against cold hard unbeatable numbers now can you
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>>100749258
Only akatsuki is really "roleplaying", and it seems like just a defense mechanism. A way of giving yourself a role in the new world by taking on the role you played in the game.

They're upset by killing of NPCs because they're functionally human. So far as they can tell they're as alive as anything else.

They talk about their lives. Shiroe talked about how he was about to graduate as an engineering student. The secretary girl's history in business is brought up. Though honestly their old lives are pretty irrelevant with the exception of explaining why they know certain things.
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>>100749520

>Yeah I don't really get that.
Cant help you there.

>So far they are essentially sentient dude. If you don't have a problem with killing them then just because they aren't "human" then you're being dumb. Because remember this isn't just them being trapped in a game they've played, the game has become so intricately complex that it's essentially a world in it's own right, with actual thinking, feeling beings in it.
Uh no. They aren't. And if they do die, they'll just come back in some form or another. They'll respawn, right? There are still gamey rules to the world, like the judges (whatever they're called) that stop fighting in towns.

>Their real lives aren't exactly relevant to what they're doing at the moment.
Oh my fucking god. Imagine you were in their shoes for a moment. Thats all anyone would be talking about. Everyone in the show is so eager to go along with the rules of the game instead of rebelling against it. It pains me that you dont understand this.
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>>100749544
>game mechanics

What do you mean exactly?
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For all intents and purposes, this is an actual whole other world. Its not like SAO where they are stuck in a game with NPCs and are severely limited by the mechanics. The only mechanics that are rooted in place are combat rules. Everything else seems to be like a real world, including the completely human NPCs which aren't NPCs. They don't have any logical means of getting back, because its not like SAO where they know why/how they got there.

To be honest, I imagine a lot of people would just go with it after a few days.
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>>100749258
>>100749520
>don't get why they are roleplaying
You wake up and suddenly have magic powers or can shoot energy waves from a sword. I doubt you would be able to just act like everything is normal. They are living in Elder Tale now, not Earth, so they need to do a lot of things they normally wouldn't to survive. They aren't exactly roleplaying as much as that, trying to survive until they can get out.
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>>100749742
People of the Land don't respawn. In fact, if you get further along in the series, you'll discover why killing NPCs willy-nilly is a bad idea.

Also, a spoiler from the LNs They really are in the world of elder tales. They aren't trapped in a machine or anything like that.
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>>100748385
Don't bother OP, everyone in the story becomes a moralfag in the end.

And when you talk about what if they start producing real world technology in the world the dumb fanbase will just come in and shit everything up cause no fun allowed, or the author will go "welp are you sure you meet the level or skill requirements for that?"

Even though it was the author who started that shit when he showed that they had actually cook to get food and that they could even make a steam engine, the obvious course of action for people would be to see if they could emulate the technological development through the ages in the real world and bring them into the current.
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>>100748385
go back to SAO retard
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>>100749544
>the progression of the story is paused at least once every episode to explain yet another fucking part of the game
Do you even fucking watch this show?
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>>100749862
I really hope this isn't just going to be "Magic. For reasons." At the same time, I kind of don't want them to ever leave.
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>>100748385
>how stupid do I have to be to enjoy this show
Wait, you mean you can go deeper? Even more stupid than you already are?
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>>100749742
Landers don't respawn and there aren't any Royal Guards outside of player cities to protect them.

Also, yes, they are people. We've even heard Raynessia's interior monologue, so we know they have internal thoughts and feelings.
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>>100748985
>i misread an important part of it
>it makes no sense now
>its not like im wrong, its obviously a plot hole
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>>100749742
>Uh no. They aren't. And if they do die, they'll just come back in some form or another.
Assuming you're talking about the NPCs, they don't respawn. They explain this in the show like 4 times.

>Imagine you were in their shoes for a moment. Thats all anyone would be talking about.
Nah, I'd be trying to figure out the rules of the world I just got teleported into, and trying to secure my safety and sanity. You know, like what they do in the show. Bringing up my life in the real world wouldn't really cross my mind unless it was relevant to something we were talking about.
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>Plot holes
>3 episodes in
Are there actually people this retarded in the world?
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>>100749862

So it was magic?

lol, that makes it even worse
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>>100749742
>>100749742
>Cant help you there.
I meant I agree with you- I don't get why they're roleplaying.

>Uh no. They aren't.
[citation needed] So far they exist in a world so complex that is essentially indistinguishable from reality in a sensory/physical sense. And so far the NPC's have acted extremely similar to actual human beings. I would assume they're sentient to a considerable extent until proven otherwise, and be reasonably distressed by killing them in cold blood.

I mean jesus dude- "Can you truly program a human and does their existence have worth" is like middle school level philosphical quandaries. It's been a sci-fi theme for decades.

>And if they do die, they'll just come back in some form or another. They'll respawn, right? There are still gamey rules to the world, like the judges (whatever they're called) that stop fighting in towns.
Wait a sec- did you actually watch it? Because literally none of this is true.
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>>100749887
>everyone in the story becomes a moralfag in the end.
Because they don't want to kill NPCs which according to everything they are currently witnessing are just as sentient as anything there?
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>>100750050
Yes, the OP.
OP cant even read one fucking sentence properly and calls it a plothole because he cant grasp basic english.
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>>100748385
if i remember right the series starts some time after the apocalypse the massive shock and hysteria most people suffered at the beginning wore off and was replaced by procrastination and apathy instead

the people seriously decided to get home probably left akihabara early
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10/10 OP, you annoyed a few people today.
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>>100749887
>Even though it was the author who started that shit when he showed that they had actually cook to get food and that they could even make a steam engine, the obvious course of action for people would be to see if they could emulate the technological development through the ages in the real world and bring them into the current.
That's not exactly easy to do from scratch dude. Especially when shit is going on.
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I love all this autistic justification for poor writing when the reality of the matter is it is intentionally vapid in order keep its "MMORPG" theme afloat.

OP, the show doesn't stand up to any sort of real intellectual scrutiny. Its a show for children. Sorry to disappoint.
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>>100750156
As retarded as that is, the ultimate thing I'm noticing about his retardation is the assumption that the plot will be explained in entirety in 3 episodes, when we're on episode 16 now. Any questions he might have could be answered by watching the goddamn anime until they are explained. And if the anime doesn't explain them, then read the LN. But to claim "PLOT HOLES BURR HURR" when we haven't explored the extent of the plot is something retarded in any and all mediums.
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>>100748756
I don't understand this fucking argument.
"Well if they're trapped, why aren't they all freaking out and smashing their heads against the walls and crying every episode?"

Obviously you can tell that some of the dumber characters were freaking out at first but a lot of the "cool headed" characters managed to not be faggots. Some people are better at assessing situations than others.

It's how Shiro did it.
>Well this doesn't look the same
>Looks a lot like my video game
>Okay, so I'm in the video game, how does shit work?


The only issues I personally don't like, which happens to be a really fucking annoying trope in anime, is the fact that a lot of characters (specifically the young, new ones) keep holding EXTREMELY important information to themselves.

Like Rudy being a Person of the Land and all those battle tactics that Minori wouldn't speak up about. God damn, just say something. Stop being just a bitch.


>>100749258
The only person roleplaying is Akatsuki and it's because she enjoys it and she's probably used to it. Perhaps it's her coping mechanism for what's happening. I don't know.

The POTL are basically sentient beings now. I don't know if you haven't gotten to that part or what, or maybe you missed it.

They occasionally talk about their lives but a lot of them don't feel the need to and it's probably a touchy subject for a lot of people considering their situation.
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>>100748385
>3 episodes in
>dislikes show for false/idiotic reasons

You might as well drop it the first third was the better part of the show if you ask me. Instead of these nonexistent problems you'll soon be faced with suddenly dramatic music playiNG HOLY FUCK SHIT IS GOING DOWN! in the next episode HA fuck you! Only for the first minute or two to quickly diffuse that situation and then watch for three episodes as a group of pathetic noobs have to learn something as basic as teamwork and FRIENDHSIP to overcome the same god damn patrol. FOR THREE FUCKING EPISODES! Then shit just kee-OH FUCK SHIT ABOUT TO HIT THE FA-Zu~TO~

FUCK YOU GET SOME GOOD ACTION ALREADY, FUCK!
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This is the kind of thread that makes a fanbase worse than they look.

Some faggot would make a thread saying "It's shit" without actually understanding what's happening. Of course people would get mad and everyone would say, "damn, this fanbase is horrible."

Anyway, you guys need to calm down. Let's just proceed to the usual theorymaking and Isuzu a freckle routine.
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Ah, I see the most idiotic of the SAO trollbase has decided to idiotically troll LH, too. My condolences.
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>>100749742
>Oh my fucking god. Imagine you were in their shoes for a moment. Thats all anyone would be talking about. Everyone in the show is so eager to go along with the rules of the game instead of rebelling against it. It pains me that you dont understand this.
FUCKING HOW DUDE. There's literally no other alternative. You can't rebel against something you can't even conceive of. You're just citing of cliches for this type of story with no logical backing as to how they would actually work.
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>>100749520
> If you don't have a problem with killing them then just because they aren't "human" then you're being dumb.
Well think about it, you're human and you know how bloodthristy and exploitative humans are.
You've played MMOs you know them to be drama filled cesspools.
All of a sudden you find yourself in a world, where you have this massive potential for power and dominance and virtually top of the food chain, and no one decides to go, well fuck it I'm going to exploit this world and become godlike, sure you can cite demikas, but in the end the writer wrote him out and tamed him with lander pussy.

And yeah sure there are some people who have a sense of justice and go around defending the landers cause they think they're heroes and doing something good, and that's fine.

But instead we have everyone becoming like that. Every adventurer is incorruptible, every adventurer is this shining beacon of righteousness.

And who is the big bad? Some super powered smart mobs.
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>>100749943
>>100750079

Yes and no. It's actually related to the lore/history of the world.
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>>100750283
They're in a world of vast resources, but its guarded by monsters. However they have the benefit of engineers and scientists (however few there may be playing) that have eternal life.

The problem is that based on the discovery that dying causes you to lose memories, eventually the scientists/engineers would forget everything about their lives, including how to make modern technology. They need to be protected.
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>>100748385
>3 episodes in
>dislikes show for false/idiotic reasons

You might as well drop it the first third was the better part of the show if you ask me. Instead of these nonexistent problems you'll soon be faced with suddenly dramatic music playiNG HOLY FUCK SHIT IS GOING DOWN! in the next episode HA fuck you! Only for the first minute or two to quickly diffuse that situation and then watch for three episodes as a group of pathetic noobs have to learn something as basic as teamwork and FRIENDHSIP to overcome the same god damn patrol. FOR THREE FUCKING EPISODES! Then shit just kee-OH FUCK SHIT ABOUT TO HIT THE FA-Zu~TO~

FUCK YOU GET SOME GOOD ACTION ALREADY, FUCK!
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>>100749044
hold the fuck up, they can respawn in that world? that's it im not watching it.
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>>100749742
>Everyone in the show is so eager to go along with the rules of the game instead of rebelling against it
It's more that the majority MCs can't really be called regular people.
A series of monologues reveal that quite a bit of them turned to Elder Tales as a form of escapism from their dissatisfying lives. That's why they're quick to jump into roleplaying once it becomes their new reality.

Though the anime hardly presents this well at all; and it's already pretty damn monologue heavy. LH doesn't really quite work out as an adaptation because of all the corners it has to cut.
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>>100750405

When Shiroe and company go up north, they discover that yes, there are bad adventurers. It's just that the bad adventurers in Akiba were too lazy and apathetic to do more than simple PKing.

If you'd like to watch a few more eps, you'll learn more about the situation.

Also, don't underestimate the people of the land.
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>>100750525
>It's not SAO? LMAO NOT WATCHING!

Kill yourself, and take the rest of your fuckawful fanbase with you.
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>>100750405
But see- that's not a plot hole.
That's just unrealistic story telling.
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>>100750114
>I would assume they're sentient to a considerable extent until proven otherwise, and be reasonably distressed by killing them in cold blood.
Going to be a pedantic ass and say that sapient is the word you are looking for. sentience just implies capable of learning something, while sapience means abstract thought.
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>>100750525
I bet you liked SAO
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>>100750405
You appear to have missed the plotline where players were being enslaved, and they had to create a government to stop it. Or maybe that just hadn't happened by episode 3.
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>>100750405
maybe there is some psycho adventurer killing landers down the road? it could make for an interesting arc they cant really do much to stop him other than kill him non-stop
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>>100749301
SAO, the chapter where they go back to the beginning town.

You can't hurt or change any of the scenery, unlike Log Horizon, and you need gold to survive. So about a thousand cowardly players sit in the beginning city waiting for fruit to drop off of trees that they can sell for gold to NPCs.
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>>100750405
>Well think about it, you're human and you know how bloodthristy and exploitative humans are.
You've played MMOs you know them to be drama filled cesspools.
All of a sudden you find yourself in a world, where you have this massive potential for power and dominance and virtually top of the food chain, and no one decides to go, well fuck it I'm going to exploit this world and become godlike
Lower tier players were being essentially enslaved due to fucking with the rules. Demikas was a largely dangerous bandit who overthrew a goddamn city. They had to invent a governing body in order to prevent things like this.
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>>100750525
Jesus Christ, go back to SAO. The immortality is part of what makes the setting interesting.
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>>100750525
Go write more SAO fanfiction. You can go write about the "two year's worth of semen".
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>>100750465
>watching log horizon for the action
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>>100750525
Having the ability to respawn would, in certain cases, by worse than being killed for good.

Let's say the average MMORPG player was the majority population here and not, for the most part, level-headed adults what would that mean after respawning was found out? Most people wouldn't give a fuck. I would bet everything I have that if this ever happened a rape guild would be made that same day.
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>transported into a creepy mock-reality
>cant talk to your family or friends
>you've basically been kidnapped
>trapped in a strange body thats not your own
>instead of forming real coalitions and groups to figure out whats going on people associate with their guilds and go on LE EPIQUE QUESTS TO SAVE MAIDENS
>instead of portraying the players as depressed on a mass scale there are the FOUL EVIL PLAYER KILLERS WHO ARE BAD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD MUHAUHAUHAUH! HOW AWFUL THEY ARE! WHAT BAD PEOPLE!
>instead of dealing with what realistically the situation would be like in a mature fashion its....Shiroe...ur so badass.. twas an epic strategician...pls...we need ur strategy skills...so epic..
>uguu akat y u so kawaii i only watch for you xDD
>fuck you

show is shit. fanbase is shit. worse than sao fags.
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>>100750629
I always appreciate learning proper vocab. Especially since you were polite about it.

Either way though- I'd still be sort of distressed about killing something that's demonstrably sentient too.
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>>100750934
That's some poor shitposting, anon.

I almost feel bad for you.
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>ctrl-f "sao"
>11 hits
I hope you are all trolls and reverse trolls.
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>>100750934
Started out okay, then got 2EDGY then just got stupid.
I give you a 2/10. That's the best I can do.
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>>100750934
Thanks for your input
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>>100750859
Politics, business, and plotting are great but when you dedicate over half of the show to explanations for things that your fanbase already fucking knows whats the point? How many of you were saying "Huh, so the tanks go in first and aggro THEN the dps comes into play!" I mean holy shit they already explained that with the fucking rescue arc!

Three. Fucking. Episodes.
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>>100750934
Well I don't really have any close friends.
And I secretly hate my family.
I would be in a body I chose because I liked it instead of the one I have.
I'd be in a world of magic and adventure. Literally playing a game for a living.
And I'd be immortal.

Tell me again why I would be depressed...
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>>100750405
>But instead we have everyone becoming like that. Every adventurer is incorruptible, every adventurer is this shining beacon of righteousness.

The problem is that your perspective makes this assumption that everything the main characters are involved with is the only thing that happens.
The scope of what this particular story wants to tell, however, couldn't give much of a damn if there are still insane or moral-deprived individuals still running around after the majority population decided to set up some common ground rules to save their own asses within the city.
The can't afford to be running around like superheroes confronting every single individual that's corrupted, or trying to reform him, and so on. It's just not their story.

Pic related, however. What you're looking for is this guy's story.
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>>100751203
>/a/ still thinking they're the primary target audience of their chinese cartoon.

And we're talking about Log Horizon, too. A children's show.
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>>100750934

that being said i will still watch the show because akat is kawaii and its mildly entertaining

didn't get much out of this thread aside from illustrating how much smarter i am than most /a/utists

yes i just said that. stay frustrated, virgins
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>>100751203
Scrub Horizon was only about 1 total episode in terms of length.
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>>100751203
the show is aimed to a younger audience, not to neckbeards that played wow for years
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>>100750766
Look I know about demikas, and I know about the enslavement of low level players like in hamelin and the rapes since it wasn't considered an attacking action so the guards don't spawn

I guess I placed the emphasis wrong, but the story is looking like it's heading towards confrontation between adventurers and the big bads who are just some OP smart mobs, and that's just boring. It's just Shiroe going everywhere and making everyone moralfags through friendship.
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>>100751242
If you were one of the low level players who got suckered into Hamelin, or maybe if you lived up in the northern city where that Monk ruled.

Also, there's a secret about dying and regenerating at the cathedral.
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>>100751203

airing in a kids show time slot on a government funded network with government money
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>>100751311

yeah if you want a neckbeard-oriented show watch SAO
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>>100751203
Yeah, that bugged me. I'm okay with the explanations overlaid on fight scenes. It doesn't take anything away from the action, and lends some context.

But they spent way too much time with babby's first dungeon sidestory. I guess it was just to introduce the characters? But that's me being generous.
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>>100751400
SAO is the Deviantart-oriented show. Mary Sue marries Gary Stu and the two of them 100% every battle they get into all the way to the end.
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I asked this in a different thread but no one seemed to know.

So when blacksmiths make swords is there a difference between swords they make using real world techniques vs pressing a button? Like the difference between the real cooking and pressing the button disgusting cooking.
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>>100751297
it doesn't matter how long the actual animation time was, they extended that aloted time from episodes 12-15. That's more time for some Crusty and his bed-side adventures.

>>100751311
They've still explained multiple different actions/purposes of multiple different classes multiple times throughout this god damn show. I'm sure that, by now, even the kids are saying that it's time to move the fuck on from baby-step lvl 20 boot-camp and move on to lvl 80 raids.
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>>100751505
Except the one time they lose, and then they break the game and win anyways for no reason.
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When will we get to the part where people talk about raping the landers?
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>>100751542
I think the consequences are you're more likely to fail with the button. That's the whole point of "we have to move to get anything done".
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>>100751310
I was hoping to avoid using spoilers, but you're sorely mistaken if you think "smart mobs" are the ultimate big bad.
The big bad is actually one extremely butthurt player that quickly rose to power in the western half of the server and wants to make everything shitty for everyone but herself because of a grudge she holds against the main characters.

The anime definitely won't be getting to that part of it though.
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>>100748385
>lack of common sense
People began raping girls at the beginning, I think they got their priorities right.
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>>100751585
Hey. Get in the program. Children's show. Not happening. See the other mango for that.
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>>100751542
It works the same for all job classes.

Scribes can write up their own shit. Chefs cook their own shit. Every class behaves in this manner. The only difference is the uniqueness and how it feels to the craftsman. Blacksmiths using the button have a guaranteed percentage to fail because of the game mechanics. If you are smithing using techniques you actually know, it won't fail unless you yourself fail.
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>>100751561
Well, there's kind of a giant fucking invasion going on if ya haven't noticed. Scrub Horizon is done.
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>>100751711
>Scrubs are moving in to attack a horde of goblins
>barely able to defeat a patrol of 5 skeletons
>Scrub Horizon is done.

Get ready of 3 episodes of even MORE FRIENDSHIP and UNDERSTANDING!
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>>100751627
I always thought she was more of hinderance that shiroe will convert once again due to the power of friendship, and she'll see the error of her ways and join the forces of good like demikas and williams.

Like didn't the smart mobs destroy the super powerful NPCs guardians of the world? If that's not hinting at that they're the final confrontation then I don't know what is.
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>>100751901
So, the arguments are done right?

Isuzu a freckle and Seraramatata a fattie dork?
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>>100749786
Shiroe
>Enchanter
>Weakest class
>needs partymembers to win a fight
>WAS a solo-player -> genius
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>>100749052
Oh shit who bought the cathedral?
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>>100751686
they just wanted to catch serara to tickle her right?
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>>100752003
I'm level 90 and it's fucking magic, I don't have to explain shit.
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>>100752003
Shiroe never solo'd you mentally deficient pathetic being.
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>>100752003
At what point was he a solo-player?
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>>100752028
Nureha, Shiroe's stalker. She rules Minami, another player city in Western Japan.
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>>100752003
>WAS a solo-player
How fucking retarded are you? He was part of the Debauchery Tea Party for ages, and only went "Solo" when the group was separated by the Apocalypse.

Please stop posting forever.
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>>100752042
No. Hold hands. But then again that's too lewd too so maybe you're right.
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>>100752100
I thought she was just a puppet slut leader who is being led by another.
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>>100749052
Lies. If the Cathedral blacklists you, you spawn outside it, in the city. If the city also blacklists you, you spawn outside the city.

If the city blacklists you but the Cathedral does not, you're trapped IN THE CATHEDRAL.
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>>100752100
I thought she bought out the entire town?
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>>100752161
Yes she is.
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>>100752100
So I'm assuming someone in the main cast died after said transaction occurred.

Who was it anon? Don't suger-coat it.
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>>100752188
How'd she buy it anyway? Did she do what she's best at?
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It gets good, trust a stranger.
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>>100752183
>If the city blacklists you

Okay, I'm done here.
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>>100752272
My mommy told me to never trust strangers.
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>>100752188
Nope.

>>100752161
Yep, though to what degree is still unknown.

>>100752183
Wasn't she having nightmares about the fact that the players disappeared?
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>>100751984
To me it just seems to something to raise the stakes in setting up the end-story tension.
The smart mobs are given as the big bad in Kanami's side story, but that's because the basis for that story is [man vs. environment], as the characters are slowly travelling across the world.
The main story has always had a strict focus on [man vs man] by comparison; even the Goblin war was only used as a device to establish visible political relations between the Adventurers and Landers. Even the history of the world's setting was the result of racial tension against the Alvs.
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>>100752003
>WAS a solo-player
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the samefaggotry has reached critical levels in this thread
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>>100751984
>apparently cause the permanent "deaths" of actual players
>is allowed to just "join" without any sort of repercussions

Why am I not surprised?
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>>100752253
IIRC she seduced the Lander nobility and they gave her the money she needed.
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>>100752305
The Cathedral is the prison for those that refuse to join Plant Hwayden. They'll respawn there, but without access to the exit, they'll enter a cycle of starvation.

Those that do join are fortunate to be allowed into the city and be blacklisted from the Cathedral, so they would spawn outside the building, unaware about what's inside it.
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>>100752537
>Starts a prostitution guild
>Only allow the highest levels so they can protect themselves against their clientele
>Undresses after payment is given
>Suddenly gets all of their gear stolen

Terrible idea.
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>>100752485
>without any sort of repercussions
>implying Inctis had the same plans for Shiroe that Nureha did.

That girl's butthurt is just off the charts. How do you get mad a group of people that decided to stop playing and stay this mad about it?
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>>100752661
Brothel guild hall. Invite clientele into guild hall. Disable skills. Order them to drop their items.
If they attack, blacklist their asses, keep their items.
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>>100752612
Wow, that's pretty dark. Is that shit canon?

I'd assume after so many grueling deaths, there memory loss would make them nothing more than mindless killers though the exp that is lost upon revival would eventually make them the equivalent of the harmless rabbits, deer, snakes, etc. in most MMOs
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>>100752820
Why can't we get trapped inside a virtual world and whore ourselves out with our loli elven bodies /a/?
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>>100752661
>wearing top-tier combat gear when your whoring yourself

Unless your clients have an armor fetish, I don't think that's much of a problem.
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>>100752880
I know she could of forced them all into prostitution.
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>>100752880
It takes days to die from starvation. And we don't know their state of being after they respawn, whether they stay hungry or become full since respawning means healing after all. So yeah, that could happen but it would take a very long time.
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>>100752993
>Unless your clients have an armor fetish

You mean you don't?
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>>100752979
Because Redwood would ban us.
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>>100753076
Could just get a tailor or armor crafter to just craft you a really exotic outfit.
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>>100748985
Nobody experimented. Someone accidentally died and respawned at the cathedral, and word of that event spread. In the anime, they just show it as some random person dying. In other material it was actually Soujiro dying to an Akiba guard after aggressing another player who was trying to rape a guild member's friend.
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>>100753034
>If you want food you have to take this potion and remodel yourself into a female
>The starving character takes the potion
>*Magical Girl Transformation Scene*
>Nureha Escorts new slut to her "office"
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All this rape, whore, and roleplay talk has made me think of who would be the first of us to rp as Rance and go around conquering some Elder tail.
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>>100753076
>implying I wouldn't pay them double to get their armor out of the bank
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>>100748385
But that's not SAO, anon.
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>>100748756
Shiroe and others are looking into that. But the more immediate concern was setting up a stable governing body in Akiba, as they had no idea how long it might take to find a way home. People were being pressed into slavery, raped, etc. and Shiroe wasn't going to stand by and watch that happen to people.
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>>100753040
Given that Souji spawned without a scar on his chest and that minion spawned with his hand restored, the assumption is that your new body would respawn in tip-top shape, all physical fatigue and malnutrition gone.

Starvation is still a horrible way to go, so would you let hunger or suicide act first?
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>>100752302
and look how that bitch ended.
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>>100753361
see
>>100753229
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>>100753229
Get on it doujin artists.
Throw in some tentacle monsters to punish the girls who disobey.
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it sure seems like a lot of the darker aspects of the story has been omitted so far from the anime. no mention of rape at all. Are the novels actually that much darker?
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>>100749544
They explain the mechanics slowly over time, because, especially in Japan, not everyone is familiar with MMO mechanics. It airs on NHK right after a show for 3 year olds at 5:30pm Sunday night. And Japan overall isn't that big into MMOs.

There is a metric boatload of mechanics and info on Mamare's site and various wikis. He's also releasing a Tabletop RPG book set next month for Log Horizon.
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>>100753361
>Stuck in prison
>get hungry
>explode self with magic
>no longer hungry
>can't remember your sister's name anymore
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>>100753229
Now I know why Op is mad- he isn't in the game and can't become the little girl.
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>>100753506
Anime is a kids show. It's still pretty good and handles the politics pretty well, but it's still a kids show.
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>>100753534
I-Imoutooooooo
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>>100753325
>375g for oral, handjobs, etc. (no intercourse)
>175g-700g for specific fetishes
>500g for intercourse
>200g extra for specific girl
>150g-300g extra for specific garments
>225g for an extension

Time to BOOST that economy.
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>>100753534
>can't remember your sister's name anymore
Good.
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>>100751577
>>100751505
He did lose the fight to that shield guy
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>>100752612
That's fucked. Am I expected to read a JCE translation to get to the part with Nureha or will the anime make it? I haven't bothered with these threads in quite some time.
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>>100753534
>explode self with magic
The assumption is that you can't use skills, because you could easily "Call of Home" out of there (and also outside the city since you're blacklisted from it).

I hope you know how to sudoku properly.
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>>100753542
With this method you could force other's to become little girls. They either take the deal while they still have their memories or when their blank slates you just swoop in and brainwash em.
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>>100753667
It's probably safe tosay that this cour will end with Nureha appearing.
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I don't think we still know for sure if the NPCs were "always human", or if they just retroactively gained all the backstory memories when the 3rd fraction hit. As you think if they were always totally human, they would have responded differently and changed routines in the MMO. Instead of doing the typical NPC thing of always standing in one place saying "Welcome to X City" etc.

Either way, they are just as human as the adventurers now, they just don't have the ability to respawn.
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>>100751577
>and then they break the game
That was the reason the developer guy did all of that shit though, apart from his childhood dream about a soaring metal castle.
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>>100753641
He lost because the guy used GM powers during the duel.
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>>100753667
It's already in Baka-Tsuki in JCE form. Or you could wait two more months...
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>>100753728
This is assuming you can pre-set the changes in the potion. I assumed drinking the potion opened up some kind of UI window to choose the changes.
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Before the apocalypse could you kill the NPCs?
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>>100753506
It's not that the novels are particularly dark-- it's that the anime is much more light.
As a novel, the majority of it is internal monologues, so at any given point you'll be able to see a character's concerns and worries, all unfiltered.

Whereas the anime needs to set the mood by continually showing; resulting in a lot of slapstick and gags, typically.
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>>100753820
You don't have to preset anything, you tell them that they do it or they keep starving while you own the city and keep them locked in the Cathedral.
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>>100753845
Before the apocalypse, it's pretty much an average MMO so no.
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>>100753667
It's not THAT bad though, because it's the Chinese translation from the Taiwan branch of the publisher. So it's an official translation, not some couch potato translation.

I'm sure there are inaccuracies, but it's not as bad as regular fan J>>C fan C>>E
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Ok, so after much sperging and overthinking I think I found a plothole.

The people trapped in the Minami cathedral could still have access to their hearthstone spell right? If they used that, since they are blacklisted from the city they would be sent to outside the gates right? Use that at night when the gate men have low visibility and you could probably at least get out of the city.
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>>100753871
Force them to change then kill them a couple hundred times until they forget they were ever male?

Although dying that many times in a row would probably mindfuck them in other ways.
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>>100753845
Volume 1 Chapter 1:
>If you fought here, no matter if your opponent was a NPC or a normal player, the city guards would rush over in an instance and send the guilty party to jail.

You can kill them, but someone would take their role in time (whether it's the world doing it or the devs doing it, I don't know).
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>>100753641
He lost only because the guy was using mod powers to defeat Kirito. And even then, Kirito had the game break in his favor so he could still live in the end.
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>>100753892
In that case I assume they don't die either right? So then I wouldn't think they were 'always human' like some people suggest.
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>>100753956
You don't have to kill them, they either do it willingly or go through a starvation cycle enough to forget. If they're willing to be good little sluts you shouldn't be mean.
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>>100753922
See >>100753712.
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>>100753922
Don't their home spells take them to the cathedral they're registered to?
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>>100753894
Oh, I wasn't aware it was based off of an official translation. I meant no disrespect for the translator or the people who chose to read it, I just avoid JCE translations as a bit of a principle due to bad experiences.

I guess I will give it a shot when the anime ends.
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>>100753755
Technically they are more human than the adventurers. The adventurers, in their world, came out of nowhere, were visibly unkillable (to a permanent degree), and could hunt down monsters and entities immensely more powerful than anything a standard Lander could handle. The only exception were those legendary heroes who were more powerful than the Adventurers, but they were spread far and few in between, where Adventurers were all over the world.

A lander can actually fight and die, where an Adventurer, at worst, will lose some items if he fights and dies.
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>>100754052
Volume 2 Chapter 5:
>Using 'Call of Home' teleported you to the entrance of Akiba.

>Another way was to commit suicide in the guild hall. You would lose some EXP as a penalty, but you could respawn at the cathedral, which was at the center of Akiba, but in essence this was a way to teleport as well.
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I wonder if the 6 crooked princesses will return.
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>>100754224
We already saw the Luquenje. The statues in the room where the Round Table convene are modeled after them.

But as for them appearing in person, they seem to be 6 feet under.
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>>100753922
We've really twisted the meaning of plot hole didn't we?

That's not a plothole. It's more like a lapse in judegement or somehting they never thought of doing assuming that's possible.
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>>100754389

I'm sure there will be a Naruto arc where they're revived again for battle.
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What annoys me the most about this thread is that if this was about SAO then everyone would be agreeing with the OP. This is how those threads should have looked like, everyone calling correctly calling people on their "lol it's a plot hole" bullshit.
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>>100754489
Except SAO was fucking full of actual plot holes.
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>>100754545

>said no one ever
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>>100754569
OP pls go.
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>>100754489
Except for the fact that SAO is objectively not written as well as Log Horizon has been. They're not even written towards the same audience, in a way. SAO is straight "Weekly Shounen Jump" shounen action audience. Log Horizon is written more for a seinen audience.
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>>100753922
What? You're talking about Hamelin right? They were trapped in their guild room, and banned from the guild building. They were not trapped in the cathedral and were not blacklisted from the city.

Some of them panicked and suicided to get out of the guild hall, until some of them realized they could just use call of home to return to the entrance of Akiba.
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>>100754489
Give it some time. Eventually people will be doing the same.

SAO actually had nice threads around the beginning. Everyone just sperged out when Kirito started "becoming edgy". And so far, Log Horizon has avoided that, or at least hasn't done it as bad as Kirito did.
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After some thinking I thought of something that might be a plothole.

When they were rescuing Serara, how come they didn't summon their griffons inside the town, and fly out? That way, they'd never have to fight delicious.
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>>100754419

Mimami's most wanted would have been under arrest for like what? Half a year or so at that point? Its a stretch to think that they wouldn't have thought of that at some point.

But its far more likely that they just disabled spells in the cathedral.
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>>100754601

Doesn't that make SAO the objectively better critical work by being the most popular?
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>>100754489
Nobody knows the definition of plot hole anyway. A lot of things in SAO are just inherently retarded, so they might not be "plot holes", but that doesn't make it any better.
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>>100754610
Nevermind, followed the chain backwards and realized you were talking about anime spoilers without spoiler tags, which is why I was confused. Call of home returns you to the entrance of the city, so if you were blacklisted from the city and stuck in the cathedral you'd just have to use call of home.
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>>100754664
You can't summon griffons inside town, and since it's a game the griffons might not be able to fly over walls.
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>>100754661

This. There is nothing wrong with SAO as a fictional work in its own universe. When Log Horizon needed wiki entries to explain its own story while SAO didn't, you know something is wrong.
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>>100754664
Why didn't Nyanta just fly her out in the first place? Why doesn't her do the same fucking the with letting the town know they were going to be attacked? Why do they ever get off their god damn griffins?

Because then we couldn't have a 3-4 episode explanation of things that are happening in their world because shit would get done too fast.
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>>100754664
I believe you can't mount up in town, and if they would have used them right at the gate, they would have been shot down before they got out of range.
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>>100754664
Because they wanted to terrify Brigandia into thinking that any Adventurer who was at a high enough level and strategic enough could show up at the city they "controlled" and defeat them again. The griffons were what they were lying about when they said that the adventurers could simply walk up to their city and kill them. If they showed off the griffons, their lie would be caught, and it would be clear that Serara was just one odd case of being rescued, and they'd think they were still invincible in their city.
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>>100754748

But its not a game its a real world now. This is the kind of bullshit plothole that you people keep ignoring.
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>>100754793

>lying about video game mechanics in a 20 year old game
>thinking anyone would be fooled

Now that is just gary stu writing.
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>>100754765
Yeah, because everybody knew about the incarnate system when Kirito killed Kayaba. I mean, it totally take another work to explain it retroactively.
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>>100754776
>they would have been shot down before they got out of range.

Did you not see their leader? He's definitely the kind of guy who would try to say his planned monologue as fast as he could before he gave the order to shoot them down.

He and all of his lackey's were fucking garbage regardless.
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>>100754665
Yeah, I said that due to lack of a better word. Still it's not a plothole just because they didn't do it.

Plot holes are inconsistencies in the plot that are there without explanation ever. Like for example one time Shiroe is red but then in the next he's blue without prior or any explanation at all. It just happens to fit the plot regardless of whether it makes sense and agree with what's already been established.
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>>100754545
It had bad writing in places, but 95%+ of the "plot holes" people were ranting about weren't plot holes-- people just couldn't fucking read or incorrectly assumed things worked a certain way because it wasn't explained well enough.
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>>100754661

Kirito hit edgy by like the second episode. Instead of explaining that dumbass last hit rule, and that the monsters had different attack patterns from the beta he doned his black longcoat turned turned around and made up some horseshit about how this was his plan and you fools all fell for it mwuhahaha, he did this because someone needed to take the blame (?) and he can take it because hes a watchful protector, a dork knight, a lonely beater.
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>>100754879

Maybe you should have read the fucking source material instead of depending on the anime to spoonfeed you everything.
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>>100754706
By that logic, Transformers is a better screenplay than 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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>>100754706
Twilight is more popular. I bet it's better than 1Q84.
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>>100754661
SAO was always people pissing on it and the threads were fine until people took it too seriously after it became popular and the threads were spammed.
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>>100754932

The original Transformers movie is a superior dramatic work compared to 2001: A Space Odyssey. That is objective fact.
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>>100754875
Right. Because it's been clear since the very beginning to every single player in the world how every single mechanic works, and that the griffons existed in the world beyond ultra-rare events.

Obviously a band of brigands who attacked a bunch of civilians with zero strategic knowledge would know how every single rule operates as well as a long-term veteran player who actually owns the item and strategized himself into victory against a force with superior strength and numbers.

Please consume lead candy.
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>>100754885

Fair enough. I don't honestly care if there are a few plotholes here in there, I just want to stimulate discussion.
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>>100754926
Oh, I thought the deal here was taking the anime into account. What does Log Horizon need you to understand outside of what the novel contains?
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>>100754988
I'm talking the Michael Bay Transformers movies.
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>>100755002

So lying doesn't work in World of Warcraft, but it works in your special fictional Log Horizon because CIRCUMSTANCES? Get the fuck out of here I bet you haven't even beat Garrosh.
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>>100754900
Have you ever tried calmly explaining things to a mob? Mob mentality is a term that exists for a reason. He did what he did for a reason, and it was a well thought out one at that.
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>>100754926
The source material doesn't bring up the Incarnate System until about a dozen books later.
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>>100754775
>Why do they ever get off their god damn griffins?
They can only fly for 4 hours, they explained this dude.
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>>100755050

I don't need to understand anything because I've been playing MMOs since WoW vanilla. YOU need to understand that Log Horizon is just word vomit with barely any "MMO action".
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>>100754825

It's not our real world, however. That real world has different rules. Maybe Griffons just plain refuse to go in cities.
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>>100755113
At what point was the entirety of reality and WoW's reality switched? Not to mention LH is incredibly more intricate and advanced than WoW is.

If you wanted to trick someone in WoW for information they didn't know, they could quickly pull up a Wiki to disprove it. In LH, you are IN THE WORLD. You are not sitting at your computer with your dick in one hand and your keyboard in another. You are in the goddamn world of Elder Tale. The only things you'll be able to rely on is memory, direct actions, and notes from other players who themselves remember the mechanics of the game.

And nobody gives a shit about your horribly overrated MMO, WoW is bland as shit, and has paved the way for horrible MMO's to follow by being popular.
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>>100755202

Or maybe its a plot hole.
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>>100755172
Yes, they do, I'm an idiot.
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I feel like this thread is missing about half a dozen frodo.jpgs
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>>100755083
We know, it was a fantastic movie that stands among the greatest works of film.
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>>100754981
Exactly my point. SAO inherently isn't as bad as we think it is. Of course I'm not saying it's award winning either. It's only bad because /a/ thinks so.

Log Horizon is lucky enough to not get hit by the spams (at least not as much) and most people are pretty civil when nobody's shitting on it. But then again, that's most of how early SAO threads worked too.

TL;DR: SAO and Log Horizon differ in that SAO maxed /a/'s sperg metter faster.
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>>100755188
>I've been playing WoW
>So that means I know how every single MMO operates, fictional or not
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>>100755188
So you're a retard basing your opinions on a pre-WoW MMO based on post-WoW experience. I'm glad we cleared this up.
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>>100755027
Yeah, that's most of how /a/ works anyway. At least it's better than butt sniffing circle jerking.
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>>100755274

>SAO is only bad because /a/ said it was bad
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>>100754825
>Nothing still follows game mechanics
>What is crafting skills
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>>100750465
I watch log horizon for shiro basically being a trickster god. The guy is a tactical genius and I enjoy how the adventurers are interacting with the people of the land, I wish the show and manga translations came out faster I have read all the english light novels and I cant wait for new ones.

I love Log Horizon.
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>>100755257

It could very well be, but it makes sense to me on several levels. Remember that they had to make a detour underground at one point- Griffons can only fly so far and so high, and were vulnerable against the enemies in the air up ahead.
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>>100755188
Elder Tales is an old school MMO, not a mainstream one like WoW. It's closer to EQ and FFXI.

As an example: One of the problems you see mentioned in the first couple of episodes is smaller parties/guilds being unable to kill mobs in certain areas because larger guilds were camping there.

You didn't experience this problem in WoW because leveling was incredibly easy, and so many things were instanced. But in FFXI camps for leveling had a political nature about it. Certain areas could only sustain a certain number of parties or people before exp went to shit or getting drops became annoying. Thus the players had a code of conduct about how to handle camps.
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>>100749088
How do you know how "people would react realistically"? Are you a professor of Sociology? Have you been trapped in a video game world yourself? As far as I'm concerned several days of panic, people begging for the "GMs" to save them, and than transitioning to them moping around listlessly and growing violent from boredom is pretty normal behaviour. It goes more into detail about Shiroe's state of apprehension and panic in the LN, though really, I've had enough of ontological angst in my anime.
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>>100755172

You see this bullshit, Logfaggots? You praise an author for writing MMOs right instead of Sword Arts Online, but you guys let him get away with writing special circumstances into Log Horizon just to make his special snowflake story work. You are all goddamn hypocrites.
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>>100755369
>SAO is actually bad because the anime sucked balls in adapting it, leaving shit tons of plotholes for anons to nitpick

At least Log H follows the adaptation very damn well, at the consequence that the progress per ep is sometimes slow.
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>>100750525
the adventurers respawn but there is a price, you would find out about the price later on, its a pretty big deal. hell when they make new laws for the adventurers they straight up say "since we can respawn imprisoning others against their will is now worse than murder, dont do it"
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>>100755270
You mean it's missing everything that a Log Horizon thread has:

>Akatsuki a cutie
>Serara a chubby
>Isuzu muh freckles
>Marielle and the meaty combo
>Hoo thorn bind hostage on your eyes
>special mentions of cute blonde nameless elf
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>>100755453
If he didn't give them some sort of restriction they would be extremely OP, and they're already really fucking strong.
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>>100755274
>SAO inherently isn't as bad as we think it is

It's actually worse. One of the worst written pieces of garbage ever. If your plan was to try to drag down LH to make SAO look better you're not succeeding.
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>>100755476

This. SAO's adaptation got butchered like the Hobbit movies. The novels are actually a great read like the Tolkien books.
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>>100755369
Sorry, wrong terming.

SAO is only as bad as it seems because /a/ thinks so.
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>>100755274
Anon, SAO threads were better because people knew how fucking bad it was, they only turned bad when there were spammed by people claiming, NO IT'S GREAT whether seriously or not.

It really is as bad as I think it is.
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>>100755453
Is it really a special circumstance? My sister trains horses- you can only ride a horse for a certain amount of time a day before it needs to rest.
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>>100755534
>The novels are actually a great read like the Tolkien books

Whoa now, curb your autism.
The books are okay, but you'd be delusional to put them on the same pedestal as Tolkien
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>>100755453
I think it was implied they had nerfed them ages ago because they were OP as hell.
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>>100755549

Good thing your opinion doesn't matter compared to an objective fact reinforced by millions of fans worldwide.
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>>100755453
>special circumstances
>special

Do you even play videogames you non-flying faggot?
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>>100755534
Only if you're talking about Progressive.
That said, the author should have focused on one damn game.
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>>100755453
>Summons in every game last forever
>All winged animals can fly forever without tiring
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>>100755453
>Limited time on a use for a mount which allows you to fucking fly through the air, and much faster than any horse could ever hope to attain, with cooldown

It seems pretty goddamn fair. It's not bullshit like SAO where Kirito, out of fucking nowhere, gets a unique ability that was literally inacessible for ten thousand fucking players.
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>>100755549
It wasn't bad. But it wasn't great either. Because of how many casual anime viewers were going on about how great it was, most of /a/ had a kneejerk hipster reaction to hate it because the mainstream thought it was amazing.
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>>100755631
We already agreed Transformers is great anon, you don't need to hammer the point further.
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>>100755545
>SAO is only as bad as it seems because /a/ thinks so.

Hahaha no. I've had this discussion too many times to even bother trying again. It's awful, like incredibly terrible.

You know you have no argument when it boils down to "You guys just THINK it's bad."
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>>100755453

>I have never played Aion
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>>100755631
Millions of fans didn't really think about the plot and pacing and just appreciated the action scenes.

Y'know... like MOST casuals watching a holliwood dreg tend to do.
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>>100755274
The crux of the matter is simply how the respective stories are set up.

SAO is Kirito's story, so if you find yourself not liking Kirito, then it should follow suite that you wouldn't like his story.

LH isn't simply Shiroe's story, however. There's also the story of Akatsuki, Naotsugu, Marielle, Soujirou, Reynesia, and several others. If you don't like Shiroe, you can still take pleasure in the other characters that are essential to the story LH is telling.
I personally hate whenever Marielle gets screen/text time, but it's just a minor deterrent in the overall scheme of things.
The requisites for liking or disliking the series as a whole is much less lenient for SAO's narrower scope, and that's why public opinion exploded like it did.
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>>100755655

>It's not bullshit like SAO where Kirito

Oh here we go again. There are in-universe explanations as to why Kirito is the main character.
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>>100755686
It was pretty fucking bad and you know it.
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>>100755528
No I'm doing no such thing. The original argument was about how everyone was sperging on SAO but defending Log Horizon.

I'm saying that this also happened on Early SAO threads and sooner or later, it's supposed to happen on Log Horizon threads. It's just managed to hold the status quo longer than SAO.

Hell, every anime qualifies for this. Sooner or later, there's someone shitting on everything
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>>100755717

>2013+1
>playing Korean pedophile simulators
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>>100755740
You are talking about "special circumstances" when describing a global nerf to an OP mount. Then you defend Kirito getting free Dual-Wielding in an MMO focused 100% on melee combat.

You're sounding pretty damn hypocritical now.
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Is this ever going to get interesting or should I drop this already? Every episode is 20 minute long boring stuff.
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Give it a rest OP and whoever else decided to join in. None of your arguments are even coherent.
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>>100753522
theres going to be a tabletop rpg!? WHERE CAN I GET IT??? please tell me its in english!
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>>100755740
There should also be in-universe explanations as to why Kirito can be replaced by someone else.
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>>100755771
Quote me some objective reasoning behind your line of thought. I think that the SAO arc was written incredibly poorly, but that the anime was enjoyable and did not have any major plot holes.
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>>100755797
Early SAO threads were filled with shitposting and people dropping it on the first episode, what the fuck are you talking about.
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>>100755453
It's the only flying mount in the game. It completely makes sense for there to be restrictions.

Hell, Blizzard has like 5min duration 2hr cooldowns on fucking fluff illusion items.
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>>100755817

You should watch something with a better, consistent narrative like Sword Arts Online
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>>100755797
Of course, because whiny faggots and trolls like OP continue to bitch relentlessly until everyone else just gives up and ignores them. Case in point, Mushishi, there was tons of shitting on it after the S2 announcment, but no one is retarded enough to think most, or even large portion of /a/, has an active dislike for the show.
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>>100755850
What happened to the rest of the 100 floors?
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>>100755700
Okay faggot, if you wanna get technical:

/a/ makes SAO look worse than it really is. I'm not saying it's good at all.

For non-/a/ people
>SAO is bad
For /a/
>SAO is the most horrible piece of shit

It's a simple case of analogy. You don't need to dig deeper to what I said.
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>>100755804
Kirito in Extra Edition: "Bosses are insanely strong. It's completely impossible for one person to defeat them alone, you'd need about fifty guys. I beat one alone, but I was, like, really tired afterwards."
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Why do you watching this shitty harem, OP?
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>>100755914

Its an adaptation. Its not supposed to spoonfeed you about what happened on all 100 floors, unlike Bore Horizon
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>>100755933
The only reason non-/a/ people only think SAO is bad is because it's fairly popular among non-/a/ people. They don't want to seem overly critical and upset their precious friends.
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>>100755850
>no major plot holes
How did Kirito survive?
inb4 muh post-hoc explanations and hand wavery
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>>100749742
>They'll respawn, right?
No, they won't. That's the whole points. The NPC are more like actual human beings than the god-like adventurers. They have no powers, they can't level up, they can't respawn.
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>>100755933
So if someone thinks SAO is a horrible piece of shit I can safely assume they're from /a/?

Cool. I'll keep that in mind.
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>>100756006

Oh okay, so its just like SAO then?
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>>100755971
....wow. Such incredibly well-written explanations as to why Kirito was given Dual-Wielding in a Melee MMO when zero other player could attain this. Truly, this is a valid reason, and not something like a global limitation on the use of an extremely rare, and extremely OP item like a griffon which was given to multiple people.
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>>100755900
No seriously.I'm asking seriously.I don't even remember what is the plot right now.They are stuck in a game and that's all ?
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>>100752003
>WAS a solo-player
No he wasn't, he just never joined a guild. That doesn't mean he didn't team up and form parties.
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Seriously?
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>>100756060
Yes, except for how it's not like SAO. Which are many.
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>>100755850
Let's see, things I didn't like about SAO:
>Protag with less personality than cardboard
>Love interests with less personality than cardboard
>Protag who is overpowered for the sake of being overpowered
>Plot which does little aside from introduce more girls who want to have sex with Kirito
>World that feels shallow and not very well thought out
>The complete lack of tension, mostly due to the protag being OP and me as a viewer not caring about his plight of which girl he wants to fuck.
>Devoid of humor

But hey, he had sex with the girl right? That means he's so much better than any other harem protag right?
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>>100756061

Compared to Shiroe offering bullshit explanations and everyone falling for them? Yeah I'd say Kirito is far better written since it has always been established that he is a rare, exceptional video gamer.
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>>100756060
No because the "players" of the game CAN and DO respawn (at the cost of Exp AKA memories), only the NPCs can die permanently.
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>>100755865
>people dropping it on the first episode
You mean dropping it ironically. Because last time I checked most of /a/ actually knows what happens anyway and a lot actually hyped about that new year movie.

Yes it's full of shitposting. But there were good threads too. I know because I've been in one. Pretty much like Log Horizon. There are good threads and there are these ones. SAO's shit threads stuck because everyone was in unspoken(or maybe it is) agreement to shit on it later.
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>>100755914
Floors 76 through 100? They're still present in Aincrad, and will probably be released sometime within the next year or two of SAOs timeline.

Were you just asking the question to know, or was there some meaning that was supposed to go with it?
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>>100756113
>two threads for two separate animes
What's your point?
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>>100752003
>>Enchanter
>>Weakest class

I don't think it's the "weakest" per-se so much as "horrible solo play and iffy utility".
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>>100756125
Oh right, I can't believe I forgot:
>Microwaves
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>>100756060
Only non-monster NPCs suffer permadeaths. Players and monsters both respawn.
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>>100756149
>You mean dropping it ironically
Prove it.
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>>100755985
I do want a careful and meticulous progress of Kirito's strength through the game, not a battle-style game of Snakes and Ladders.
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>>100756125
>>World that feels shallow and not very well thought out

Yeah this is my biggest complaint Aincard is fucking boring as shit. It seems cool at first, but nothing at all is done with it.
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>>100756125

>Shiroe lies and cheats his way to political victories
>/a/ loves Shiroe

>Kirito struggles through tragedies, earns true love, and fights for hard-earned victories
>/a/ hates Kirito

I really hate this board
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>>100756177
>animes
What's your problem?
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>>100756007
If that's waht you got from my post then sure. You need to work on analogy though. What I said technically meant if normal people think it's horrible piece of shit, /a/ thinks of it as worse than that.

Of course that doesn't mean anythig since my point is directed to /a/, not normal people.
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>>100756177
We're being used as a piece of entertainment by a few bored people, anon.
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>>100755803
>not playing Korean pedophile simulators

Look at this casual
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>>100756134
Okay, lemme spell this out for you:

Shiroe: Lied to a band of brigands, and they thought he was telling the truth. They fell for it, because they were not only dumb, but he seemed very learned, and he defeated their leader, who alone was easily leagues more powerful than the party he had brought to the table. They were demoralized, and didn't call his bluff out of fear.

Kirito: He plays the game obsessively, but magically was given an ability that not other player in the game can acquire at all. He is a high-level player, given OP/Broken status by gaining the ability to wield an additional weapon in combat, when the entire game is based on melee combat.

If you honestly think that the latter is better written than the former, I cannot take your tastes seriously.
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>>100756134
>Kirito better written than something
Into the trash it goes.
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>>100756235
>fights for hard-earned victories
>Special snowflake cheating Gary Stue with unique skills that can one-shot bosses
>hard-earned victories
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>>100756235
>That description
Are you fucking advertising SAO or something?
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>>100756134
>Tries a game he's never played before
>Deliberately chooses weak equipment because it looks cool
>Doesn't bother to learn the combat system
>Curbstomps the best players in the world who have years of experience and know the game inside and out.
>Well-written
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>>100756235
>>Kirito struggles through tragedies
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>>100756125
It's bound to happen isn't it.

All Log Horizon shit threads are enetually turned to SAO shit threads.
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>>100756349

I bet you hate Lebron James too, faget
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>>100756235
>I really hate this board
Feeling's mutual, you should leave.
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There was also the fact that all SAO villains were mustache twirling, one dimensional and complete assholes with the same damn shit eating smile, they were almost the same person.
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>>100756235
>Kirito struggles through tragedies
You mean what's her face?
I mean, I guess losing part of your harem is kinda tragic.
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>>100755999
The sequence for releasing players from the game took effect before the nervegear started to fry his brain. There's a time lapse between when your character is defeated to when your brain gets fried. This is explained to you by the existence/description of the one time use revival item Saint Nick dropped.
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>>100756206
You're here and you know it's actually shit beyond the first episode.
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>>100756404
Can someone remind me why that GM decided to trap thousands of players in his game?
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>>100756177
>Missing the point
>animes

Ok, you can stop now, Jamal;
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>>100756404

But Demikas is a perfectly valid villain? Oh the hypocrisy.
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>>100756404
It's surprising how AW's villain is way more well written compared to its counterpart. Black Vise is objectively the best villain Kawahara written.
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>>100756006
They do have powers and can level up, but at a rate that's 1/4 the speed of adventurers.
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>>100756469
The lulz.
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>>100756417
One anon's folder calls her "Dead"

I've been calling her that since.
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>>100756417

Christ, did the rest of her group even have names? They were just Instant Tragic Back Story: Just Add Water
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>>100756469
He doesn't remember.
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>>100756469
Because he was a Chuni who just never grew out of it?
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>>100756349
Yeah. I was okay with Aincrad, but the Alfheim arc was really bad. Sugou is a terrible villain, and even moreso than Aincrad, he cruises through the entire thing on asspulls. DBZ-style shouting basically powers him up to get past whatever he needs to.
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>>100756432
That one time use revival item was not in the first volume of the LN. It's a fucking copout (one of my many) by Kawahara because he realized how shitty and full of holes his little story was.
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>>100756432
Let me rephrase.

How did his character survive after running out of hp (when everyone else burst into treats almost immediately), and then kill the big boss guy.
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>>100752003
at level 90 in most games you can solo as a freaking healer. but lets just say he was soloing (he actually isnt soloing he just doesnt join a guild its explained) he is also a scribe. scribes have the ability to make curses and spell scrolls, they can make magic to do things as single use items. its a utility subclass that allows him to do many things an enchanter (buffer/debuffer) could not do.

hell he ends up doing things that are technically against the rules like making a person of the land into an adventurer because of his scribe abilities.
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>>100756439
I never claimed I dropped it.
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>>100756235
>Implying people give a shit about the walking plot device in glasses.
>Implying Log Horizon doesn't have an ensemble cast to watch for if you hate one of the characters.

Meanwhile with SAO you merely have the story of Kirito, Kirito's Girlfriend (oh wait, she's trapped in a tower for the entire second half), and Kirito's sister.
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>>100756125
I asked for objective reasons and you gave me personal opinions. Sasuga /a/non.
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>>100756490
>Demikas
>villain
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>>100756526

They had more dramatic power in the SAO narrative than your fucking Team Scrub Horizon, who has taken up like 6 episodes now
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>>100756501
>asshat subordinate brings you into his bullshit
>makes you fight against the sister of your boss
>tries to get you to pull him out of your grave
Why is Vise such a chill dude?
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>>100756417
sacchi ;_;
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>>100756235
>>100756235
>Shiroe lies and cheats his way to political victories

he forces everyone to look at the situation and deal with it.

besides how do you think politics works in real life? people make deals to pass what they want, at least he is doing it for good reasons.
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>>100756600

Kirito's story trumps the entire Log Horizon plotline

>b-but muh cast of characters
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>>100756603
Yes, these are facts I have deciphered and are objective to me, so it is objective reasons why I dislike SAO.

It just so happens many other people have similar complaints.
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>>100756631
He gives off the vibe of "All of this is in the name of science experiment."
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>>100756536
>>100756531
>>100756514
And did this incident have any repercussions with the real world or Japan simply didn't give a fuck while Kazuto jumps into some other game again?
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>>100756662

In real life, politics are worked by villains
Shiroe is a villain, and /a/ loves him more than the heroic Kirito
Think about that for a moment
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>>100756612

Yes. they did, thats they were so memorable. Like... the fat one? And the girl! Can't forget suicide guy either.
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>>100756279
>>100756330
The first boss he used dual wielding on was on the 74th floor boss.

For all of the other 73 other bosses, he fought them single wielding. Every dual with another player up until that point, single wielding.

Try harder.
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>>100756689
I liked Kirito better when his name was Drizzt.
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>This entire fucking thread
>Actually believing that there is such a thing as SAO apologists
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>>100756689
>Kirito's story trumps
I'm sorry Kirito, but your Asuna is in another castle.
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>>100756501
l really like AW, it was his best work and l think he started learning how to make a half decent villain there, but
>MUH f-fat MC
l don't know why people still dislike him, dude is ok in my book.
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>>100756747

Governments hid away the victims and paid their families welfare money to keep them hooked up to the headsets, like a realistic scenario would play out.

Instead of what happens in Log Horizon where a billion people spontaneously vanish into pixie dust after a patch update.
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>>100756469
>I like castles.

>>100756526
Black cat brigade or something like that. Suicide leader-kun was my favorite member. Oh, and Hat-kun looked like a bro.
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>>100756755
Wait, are you saying that PEOPLE ROOT FOR THE VILLAIN?

What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Who the hell could ever like a bad person and hearing about their exploits?
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>trying to find the first SAO live watch threads
>keep finding pre-air "hype" threads
>even then people were calling it uncreative and kirito a gary stu, and predicting that it would have the worst fanbase of the season

This is kind of fun.
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>>100756612
>Oh no, they didn't instantly forget about or dispose of characters they introduced.

You were supposed to be arguing against his point, not proving it.
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>>100756526
I remember Suicide guy was named Keita.
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>>100756780
>He still went up 26 floors with an ability which is stronger than that of any player in the game

If I gave some random cap level player an ability which allowed him to one-hand two-handed weapons and use them with shields or even dual-wield them, while still giving him the same exact stats, he'd be OP. Regardless of what point I gave it to him. From a statistical standpoint, his weapon will always be superior to that of his counterparts, and he can tank to boot. He will always be stronger than those around him.

The exact same logic applies to Kirito, who is automatically stronger than any other player due to having dual-wielding. The only exception was an actual goddamn GM, who can simply kick players as he chooses and rewrite code.

I have to assume you're simply baiting me at this point.
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>>100756852
A more realistic scenario would be Kazuto using his real-life avatar to fuck the shit out of the government.

Also
>implying anyone knows about the nature of the Catastrophe
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>>100756755
he is not a villain, sure many people see him as one in the show but he is well aware of that and he plays the role to get things done. he single handedly forced the guilds to make the city into a safer place and gave rights to the people of the land. He knew he would be labled a villain and he did it anyway, which is why he told krusty to play the hero. so that people had a person to aspire too and a person to hate. He is a good person and I have no idea where you see him as actually being a villain.
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>>100756864
Huh, I never noticed they had super sentai colors.
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>>100756840
I really hope we get a S2. I will lose hope in humanity if SAO gets a second season when Accel World does not.
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>>100756895

You think killing anime exposure in the West is fun, faggot? SAO is the most popular franchise to have ever hit the states since Naruto, and you're all like "let it burn" well fuck you!
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>>100756689
You're right.
The fact that they're two different genres of storytelling couldn't -possibly- factor into why you feel that way.
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>>100756986
>Still having hope in humanity in this day and age
How?
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>>100756951

>Shiroe
>politician
>not a villain

I bet you vote democrat
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>>100756864

So from left to right; Girl-chan, Cape-bro, Dead-san, Hat-kun, and suicide bro.

Did i get it right?
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>>100756986
You should've lost hope in humanity when SAO got a S2.
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>>100756887
because he isnt a villain, he does things that may seem villainous like locking the banks of everyone in the city so they cannot access their money or leave unless he wants them too, but he does it to rescue people that where forced into slavery and makes the guild leaders stand up and clean the cities crime up.

its basically batman and harvey dent, everyone thinks batman is a villain if they dont know whats going on behind the scenes.
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>>100757003
>this whole post

This is some gaia-level posting right here.
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>>100756546
The revival item was in the anime, which we're talking about. The first volume of the LN is shit, filled with shit writing.

>>100756571
Everyone is still conscious when they burst into pieces. Those pieces take 15-60 seconds to disappear, I forgot the exact timing. Kirito used willpower to keep himself together for 5 seconds and move his sword, before finally bursting into pieces.

It's literally the standard shounen moment, where a character in a fight takes a hit that downs him but manages to retain his consciousness for an extra second or three to deliver one last blow that results in a draw.
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>>100757028
Because occasionally anime get announced that I never imagined would happen, like Yozakura Quartet. Who the fuck saw that one coming?
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>>100757073
Correct. All they need is "Overpowered Gary Stu MC" and they are set.
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>>100756986
SAO S2 is already confirmed anon.
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>>100756986
Same here, just when things were getting real we get s2 never.
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Would you watch SAO if it was about Kirito playing Club Penguin?
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>>100756710
>objective to me

I don't think you understand what "objective" means.
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>>100757156

Thank God for good anime that will save us from moeshit like Wake Up Girls
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>>100757104
Doesn't matter, he's a bad person.

Bad people should go to jail, fuck being evil. Seriously, I got bullied and things I hate bad people.

Kirito is the best MC ever.
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>>100757059
He did not want to even be a politician but the city was literally going to hell in a handbasket and somebody had to step up and fix that shit. you dont like that then fine I dont get what you want. There where entire episodes devoted to him mulling over what he should do before he turned politician.
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>>100757156
He is saying it wouldn't be fair for SAO to get S2 while AW gets shafted and hopes for AW S2 to be anounced soon, I think.
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>>100757173
Yes. Yes I would.
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>>100757173
>Not Kaiji-style Minesweeper
Nah.
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>>100756755
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>>100757173

>Kirito hacks Club Penguin to make himself an orca
>An orca duel-wielding arctic seals

I'd buy the BD
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>>100757210
Correct, but I perhaps could have worded it better.
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>>100756840
I found AW much more enjoyable than SAO. Since I finished AW before SAO, I was disappointed on how SAO wasn't good at all compare to AW like many claimed.

Also we'll never see Silver Disaster clash against Green Grande ;_;
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>>100757173
>You've been banned for saying dingle mcklosky
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>>100757204
oh cry me a river, the world is full of people being tortured raped and enslaved and you think someone should go to jail for becoming a politician? go suck kirikos dick troll.
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>>100756840
Haru has his whole life ruined and everything he's ever gained taken away from him. He's so horribly traumatised that has to struggle just to become functional in society again.

Kirito just talks about how his losses make him sad sometimes. Said losses don't change the status quo since they're introduced in flashbacks then taken away immediately afterwards.

This is what people mean by the writing improving between SAO and AW.
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>>100757271
Yes.
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>>100756936
But if that person who can one hand two-handed weapons is not actually one handed two-handed weapons and instead just using a single one-handed weapon, how is he overpowered?

It's like you didn't even think before you typed.
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>>100757313

That is because Kirito is a natural born soldier. If he were a space marine or something, you faggots would be praising him.
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>>100757204
>he thinks politics and politicians are evil.
>thinks altruistic heroes like kirito exists.

That's your chuuni delusion and immaturity talking, come back here when you're old enough to vote.
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>>100757325
>being a politician is worse than murder rape and torture

you are retarded.
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>>100757379
>Kirito is a natural born soldier
He's a kid who plays an MMO obsessively.
>If he were a space marine or something
Then this wouldn't matter in MMO discussion, now would it?
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>>100757127
>willpower
Handwavery
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>>100757173
>if they lose that one fish catching game they die in real life
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I liked this series better when it was called .hack//
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>>100757489

Fuck you, goddamn Logfaggot hypocrite
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>>100757449
Yes it is, all politicians should get murder raped and tortured.
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>>100757379
>If he were a space marine or something
Space Marines go through grueling decades of training and intense combat before they even get to don power armor. Kirito is "just really good".
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>>100757427
>That's your chuuni delusion and immaturity talking

THIS. people who think lawyers, politicians and government paper pushers are inherently evil needs to fucking get out in the real world.
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>>100757366
>l have this awesome ability and l wont use it just because

Read what you write, son.
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>>100757584
Space Marines are also genetically engineered for years to grow physically to the point where their bodies can actually be space marines, rather than simply humans wearing power armor. And that's for a shit-tier marine.

Kirito's equivalent would be if a Space Marine was simply born one day, given power armor, given his own chapter, and when attacking with his chapter, he also had a second chapter constantly backing him in every single engagement.
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>>100757584
not to mention space marines literally fight demons with glowsticks and before then they have a chance of being a space marine, fuck I feel sorry for guardsmen.

>>100757636
I mean fuck man I dont trust the government but I see why it is needed.
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>>100757379
Except that the story keeps emphasising how sentimental he is, but he only acts sentimental if it makes him stronger, and never if it would make him weaker.
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>>100757489
If like every fight in every shounen anime ever is handwavery, sure. It's practically a cliche or trope at this point and you can't accept it? Maybe you should stick to watching slice of life anime.
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Does anyone else want to see an anime about an MMORPG where everyone has actual MMO names? I think it would be pretty funny, also am I the only person who would actually want an anime about VRMMORPGs where they didn't get trapped in the game, like where half the anime is them playing the MMO and half is exploring their real lives. I just think it would make a nice SoL/Drama series with some cool actions scenes in the MMO.
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>>100757127
>Kirito used willpower to keep himself together [...]
Not them but this is my problem with SAO. Kirito doing this breaks all the established rules of the game and the author has to come a bunch of books later and shove into the story a plot line (the IS) just to make it not as insulting as it was.

I guess it comes down to poor writing. The reviving stone very well could have been used instead of willpower, and it would have been much better, but that being a side-story of sorts and written after the whole first volume it's like the ideas came to him way too late.
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Log Horizon is that series with the boy who's actually a girl but has amnesia and is in lesbians with the captain of the guard, right?
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>>100757535
After rewatching log horizon eps a few times, I decided to try rewatching .hack for the same feel. Couldn't do it. Forgot how much I didn't like .hack.
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>>100757696

So he'd be Kaldor Draigo?
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>>100753203
>rape

Wait, what?
How different are the LNs and how long has it been going?
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>>100757736

>what is character growth
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>>100757795
The games were better anyway.
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>>100757815
From what I've heard, bodies just lie there until they respawn.
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>>100757808
And look how well he's received?
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>>100757744
Problem is SAO purports to be fairly realistic. There's no magic, powerlevels, or anything else. It's just people in a virtual reality videogame. "Willpower" no longer becomes an acceptable answer.
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>>100757808
Yup.

Kaldor Draigo in a major war alongside other standard Space Marines, and some faggot is arguing that Kaldor Draigo is evenly matched with the other standard ranks.
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>>100757774
no thats .hack//sign

I liked it but /a/ seems split on it.
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>>100757669
It's a fact that he didn't use it in fights against other people and against bosses.

I know you have trouble accepting these facts because they utterly destroy the argument you were trying to make, but that's what you get for being stupid when you made your argument.
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>>100757833

The .hack games were better at the .hack experience. The anime was MMO existentialism discussion around a crisis scenario.
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>>100757858
bodies lie there until they respawn or for a day, its stated that no matter how huge a battle and how many bodies there are left on the ground they would all disappear in a day.
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>>100757875
>He chose not to use it
>Therefore he isn't OP. He chose not to abuse his inherently broken ability, so that means he naturally, as a whole, isn't inherently broken.

Do you even read the shit you write?
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>>100757983

Great power comes with great responsibility.
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>>100755113
>Beat garrosh
Oh my are you still playing WoW? Please, leave, your taste is abysmal.
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>>100757925
I liked GU better after Sasuke stopped being Sasuke somewhere around the middle of the second game.

If there was one thing .hack// did well, it was character development.
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>>100758041
That...is entirely irrelevant.

What is wrong with you?
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>>100757453
He does have a point. Kirito being called a gary stu is simply because all his feats and accomplishments don't seem believable in the slightest and don't match up with what we knew about him.
He's a teenager. He's done some kendo (which has fuck all to do with dual-wielding). He's also a (evidently competent) hacker/programmer(?). He has above average reflex.
These are the sudden qualifications to be a destroyer of virtual worlds.
And this is why he's given flak. If he were a space marine, it'd be more understandable that he could exist as a one man army.

>>100757873
Pretty much this. If it didn't try to sell itself as being such, SAO then just becomes the story of "the boy that could;" instead it ends up being "the boy blessed by the cosmos."
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>>100757873
Not only is it an acceptable answer, it's the one that Kayaba was searching for the entire time. He was looking for a person that could bend the rules, someone that didn't accept the system and tried his hardest to defeat it.

Aincrad was the Matrix and Kirito was Neo. This is how the story was set up from the beginning. It's not a plot hole, it's not bad writing, it's simply a plot or story that you didn't like.
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>>100757815
>My emotions are so strong they can break reality. Since I am the only one who can do this, I in fact, have the strongest emotions in the world.
>I am not a complete emotional wreck, and people dying because I was cocky does not make me any less cocky or damage my confidence.
>Introducing a character in a flashback just to kill them off in the same flashback is better writing than having the character lose something established.
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>>100758148

>space marine
>hacker/programmer

absolute heresy
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>>100755113
it works in LH because the people are actually people not programs.
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>>100754121
> The only exception were those legendary heroes who were more powerful than the Adventurers
And don't forget about Rudy, who prevailed monsters to 23 level on his own will.
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>>100758060

Rank 4 was the most fun bullshit ever. gliding around on the floor with two pistols and the most popped collar ever made the whole trilogy worth it.
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>>100758205
See, Neo bends the rules after being subject to them over and over - clearly the weakest of the Neb's crew until he awakens. Kirito starts as awakened Neo and gets stronger from there.
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>>100757983
I'm stating points of fact. His avatar had no bullshit advantages over another avatar when he wasn't dual wielding, which was a vast majority of the show.

This isn't even a debate, you're just crying because I've proven you wrong.
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>>100758305
Equipped with the doppelganger items, too. Can't forget that part!
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So anyone know when Garuda/Suparna are about to do Whirlwind?
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>>100758241
he could be a tech marine then could he not?
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>>100758041
I feel like you messed that quote up.

Also that doesn't even make sense, how is that relevant?
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>>100758262
I liked what ended up happening with rudy.
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>>100758357
What are you talking about?

Plot armor is a pretty OP ability and he had that from the first episode.
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>>100758306
He didn't bend any rules until floor 75. Kirito didn't start as Neo. He started as somebody who had like four weeks of playtime over mostly everyone else.

It's like calling bullshit on Goku in regular dragonball. He was just better than everyone else, deal with it?
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>>100758440
AdMech doesn't program or design anything. They follow the sanctioned production and repair rites, with no deviation.
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>>100748756
>Why is nobody talking about how to get home?
Because they sorta have to know what the fuck is going on in the world around them before they figuere the home part out

>Why are the players (people trapped in a simulated reality against their will) acting like everything is okay?
They're not okay,just in shock
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>>100758516
but they speak the machine language of binary.and they do put out new things just VERY unnoften.

besides if not for the machine spirits everyone would be screwed.
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>>100758494
I'll agree with that, plot armor is very OP.
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>>100758508
Duel-wielding isn't "bending the rules"?
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>Glaring Plot holes
>Names things that are explained in the episodes
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>>100758595
They speak Techna-Lingua, but giving orders to a machine spirit is completely different from reworking its spirit.
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>>100758825
you sure? I was sure in titanicus they said binary. they all live in a Augmented reality all the time. But whatever I havent read much of the WH40k books anyway.
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>>100754825
I had thought that it was a game world becoming a real world. If I recall correctly (I honestly might be ass pulling this) the world was expanding (literally growing) beyond the "Half-gaia" scale and becoming full size. Not only this, but the Adventurers are just now learning about concepts outside the realm of what they thought was possible in the game i.e. strategic, continental, or global scale magic, they discussed and expressed incredulity at. Then, if you go further I believe some Adventurers develop their own "limit-break-esque" skills by abusing the odd combination of "real world" and "in game" mechanics, much the same way that Shiro revived Rudy.

So, bringing this back to the gryphons and why they didn't just drop the Ring into Mount Do... I mean fly Serarararara out could be A) they strictly applied game mechanics to their plan B) Same as A but justified at the end of the timer the gryphons got "tired" (shit, wouldn't you flying around a dude and his loli, or a bro in full plate armor?) or C) eventually the gryphons will be able to fly anywhere within reason, in accordance with the blurring lines between the retaliates (the game world and the world the game takes place in. Our own lame-ass reality notwithstanding).
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What happens when someone buys the cathedral?
>inb4 the power of life and death
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>>100758508
>he didn't bend any rules until
>he bent rules
Are you outright denying this, or just being retarded?
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>>100758659
It's close enough I guess, but he didn't start out dual wielding.
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I really wish we could start Log H thread under different circumstances, we used to have good Log H threads before this.
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>>100758930

Basic rule of infil/exfil is to secure a landing zone. They knew Susukino was a hostile city so they had to approach by foot.
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>>100759002
>He didn't start OP
>So this means he was never OP

This is exactly the point you are missing. We're not saying he began the game out as some bullshit Gary Stu, we're saying he was one. I can't tell if you're denying facts or ignoring them in your own favor.
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>>100758897
The fiction tends to ignore RAW fluff to dramatize things. Official GW fluff is that altering machine spirits is tech-heresy to some degree, beginning with extreme penance and extending to purgation.
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>>100759042

This isn't a Log H thread, this is a troll thread

check the catalog
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>>100758976
What?
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>>100759042
If it's not a Saturday or a new chapter being translated, the LH thread will probably suck.
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>>100759070
>See, Neo bends the rules after being subject to them over and over - clearly the weakest of the Neb's crew until he awakens. Kirito starts as awakened Neo and gets stronger from there.

I don't think you've been reading the posts I've been replying too.
>See, Neo bends the rules after being subject to them over and over
>Kirito starts as awakened Neo
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>>100759100
Thank you so much not my faith is back.
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>>100758595
Not the same dude, but...
They wait until some dude finds an STC (standard template machine) leftover from the Golden Age and then set about mass producing that shit.

Also, the Machine Spirit is the Void Dragon just having a laugh with humanity before the Necrons rise from the crust of Holy Terra itself... but that's just my personal opinion...Yay ambiguous universes.

Something like the dude who found the the STC machine for Power Swords got set up as Imperial Governor of his own solar system or something.

There's a lot of lore and a lot of retcons and so on, so if this is false I'm sorry anon.
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>>100759185
At what point exactly was Kirito given the ability?

We know he didn't actively use it until many floors up, but when was the ability bestowed upon him?
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>>100759185
Welp, screwed up that post. Anyway I don't recall saying that he was -never- OP.
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>>100757753
No, I don't see myself caring about an MC named xXx_S3ph1r0t_D4rKn3sS_xXx
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>>100759043
True, another good reason they didn't just fly in and fly out. I was answering more based on the supposed mechanics of being able to do so.

Shit, if the game has become real, I'm not about to risk my ultra rare gryphon mount on a bow-centered assassin with a lucky shot eh?
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>>100758976
What's being argued is precedence.
The relevance of willpower in a VR game about realistic equal-standing suddenly becoming important in the finale is why is didn't feel like a straight-played shonen trope. Willpower was never a factor until then. He didn't will himself the ability to dual-wield; it was given to him.

It's like if spiral-power only became a thing in the penultimate episode of TTGL, or if physics suddenly became a constraint in Dragonball.

It isn't the willpower trope itself that's the problem, it's that there was no precedence for it.
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>>100759302
A full working STC machine is something of legend. They are so incredibly hard to find that simple scraps of paper which describe their construction are viewed as sacred artifacts. The guy I think you are talking about was the guy who discovered the STC pattern design for blade folding which was used in the creation of all Imperial swords from that point on. So since it was such a massive accomplishment, he was given control over a (I'm assuming) a system of space as a reward.
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>>100759305
It was about half a year before the cleared floor 74... So probably somewhere above floor 40. I'll try to narrow it down further.
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>>100759530
Is there an actual indicator of when he got this ability?

Can you objectively state that you know for certain he wasn't simply given the ability as soon as SAO turned into the anime world we are used to, and he only whipped it out when he felt he needed it on floor 74?
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>>100759348
An anime based on the darkfall mmo would be funnier, greatest cess pool of hard core griefers ever to rear it's head.
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>>100759471
His willpower was always part of the story. He went out every night fighting for hours upon hours in stressful situations where he had to concentrate very hard and not fuck up. That's not bending the rules willpower yet, but it's willpower nonetheless. It's one of the driving points behind his character, and why he was able to stay up at the front lines despite being a solo player.

He was also constantly looking for ways to bend the rules in the game. He even tried to run up the walls to get to the next floor without fighting the boss.
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>>100757753
I would watch the latter. Sounds like it would be a good mix.
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>>100759305
Not anyone you've replied too, but having read that stuff awhile ago, I don't think it was ever mentioned.

What I do believe was mentioned was how certain players were granted "special skills" based on a mix of their personal play-styles and their own instinctual reactions in the game. Kirito's dual weild came about because of his fast reaction time and penchant to fight without an off-hand if I recall. Similarly whats-his-face-mc-endboss was supposed to be "invulnerable" with that shield/sword thing he had, but in reality he just liked the tanky play-style and was ACTUALLY invulnerable. Supposedly there were others out there with unique skill either hiding them, developing them, or dying in the process. But boss dude said himself he thought it would be the dual-wielder who faced him in the end. If I recall correctly, its been awhile.
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>>100759348
You can always call yourself Mister Lister.
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>>100759618
Episode 9, 17ish minutes in, talking to Klein after killing the 74th floor boss: "About half a year ago, Dual Wield appeared in my skill window out of the blue."
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>>100759618
>>100759530

Following the timeline, when Kirito obtained Dual Wielding the front lines were on floors 55-60, somewhere around there.
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>>100759789
that sounds like bullshit handwaving
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>>100759479
Ahh you're right, STC machines supposedly had a template for EVERYTHING, but still, finding one with a "new" pattern, or even lets say a new variant of the good ole Leman Russ would be an accomplishment of galaxy spanning proportions.
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>>100760071
Kayaba assigned approximately 10 unique skills to 10 players that he felt would potentially be able to defeat him. Players he hand picked as potential heros.

I don't remember if this was ever stated in the anime though.
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>>100760237
why would he give them powers to beat himself?
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>>100760276
That's the type of person Kayaba was. It's like Tuguro from YuYu Hakusho; he wanted someone to win his game, to defeat his world. He didn't intend to live after forcing thousands to die, after all.
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>>100760237
Ahhh, this is what I was referring to in. >>100759725 he wanted the classic JRPG 4v1 show down at the end with the world hanging in the balance. Kirito was Cloud, or Tidus or Lloyd or *insert JPRG MC here* and was supposed to have a party of similarly powered guys at his side for the final showdown.

Then he's all like "fight me foo" way before the climax of the game and Kabya's all like "pfft top kek nub lehts go." Kirito still loses, but wins because he has spunk.
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>>100760237
Actually all the rest of the special unique skills were only to be given out after level 90. The dual wield skill was given out early to the one he thought had the highest chance of being the hero that would beat him.

>>100760276
Dude was a full on chuni, he was playing this whole thing out like a story book. He would lead the players to the higher levels, then on the 90th floor the leader of the strongest guild (Kayaba) would reveal himself as the Demon Lord of Aincrad and await heroes to challenge him on the 100th floor. Then he would assign unique skills to especially skilled players who he thought most worthy of being the heroes of the tale, the ones who could defeat the Demon Lord.

Basically he was completely out of his fucking mind. He wanted to be the end boss, the final villain in his own fucked up little story.
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>>100760449
Yeah. The anime handled the ending of their final fight draw pretty badly, and that caused a lot of confusion. Although log horizon having everyone burst into bubbles immediately instead of after a couple of minutes is basically the same thing.
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>>100760522
You said it a lot better than I did >>100760449
I'm gonna stop drinking and go to bed. G'night /a/!
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>>100760449
>Kirito still loses, but wins because he has spunk.
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>>100755257
How dumb are you. The city is protected by a barrier keeping monsters out. Even if there is no barrier they need a large enough space for the griffon to land. They can't just call the griffon anywhere they want.
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>>100760650
>shonen
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Fuck the SAO retards. Just WOW WOW.



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