Guide (Start here):
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Anyway, i hope someone who knows what they are talking about will answer.
>I like to write to my friends in Japanese for practice but the don't understand.
I'm being one of those people who is trying to write above their ability but trying to place のために練習って is really pissing me off. It's probably terribly wrong
This wasn't addressed in the guide so hopefully this isn't a common question that will piss a bunch of people off, but has anybody tried/know anything about the courses on MIT Openware? I've found the rigidness and formality of a class really helps me learn, so this appeals to me
>Take a couple days break because of exams
>The amount of cards due is just piling up
Fuck, now I know what you guys mean when you say you have to practice every day.
I think I've mostly sorted it out
So all I do each day is my reps, read a chapter of yotsuba, and miscellaneous things. What else should I be doing?
I've gone through Tae Kim and just look back at it when needed.
Is the general consensus to read Yotsuba first when learning?
It's just an easy and entertaining read.
It's easy and enjoyable so it gets recommended often.
What exactly constitutes your reps?
Kanji and Vocab?
好き means "to like", but the "like" in "I'd like to" does not mean that you like something, right? It's just another way to say "I want to". Hence, you can't use 好き like this.
First of all, you want to say you want to write. That would be 書きたい.
You want to write who? 友達に書きたい.
Unfortunately, while you can just "write to someone" in English, without specifying what you're writing (a letter, an email?), this doesn't really work in Japanese. If you just want to say you want talk with them (skype/messenger etc.) then the verb 話す works fine. However, let's say it's a letter in this case, just because. 友達に手紙が書きたい
You already got the "in Japanese" part right, 日本語で友達に手紙が書きたい
Next, you want to write to your friends for practice. "For practice" would be 練習のために, so, 練習のために日本語で友達に手紙が書きたい
Excellent. Now all that is left is "but they don't understand", which you almost got right. けど彼らは分かりません I can't give you a good explanation why が is wrong and は is right, unfortunately. I guess it's because you're introducing a whole new idea you've never mentioned before or something? I'm not too good at explaining stuff like this.
I worked out the practice thing, the writing verb I also thought was lacking context, but 話す makes things rather unclear doesn't it?. What would you use to say I like to do something then?
Did you count them?
Why is it so hard to retain the things in japanese the manga way?
I've never had this much trouble reading something before. It feels like he flies all over the place and tries to teach dozens of different things in one chapter.
You can say that you like to do something. Just nominalize the verb using の. So "I like to write" would be 書くのが好きだ
Use a better book?
try Tae kim/Genki or if you want a book with a similar approach try Japanese in Mangaland.
You could do what I did. Read through Tae Kim. Try reading some, then go back and read through Manga way. I felt it really put some of the pieces I needed into place with the breakdowns but I'd probably be lost if I didn't have an idea going in.
When starting to watch anime without eng subs, would it be a bad idea to get used to it by reading japanese subs?
No, whoever made the previous thread did
Oh, sorry. I obviously didn't understand what you were trying to say fully. 話す is vague, but that's a good thing in this case. It doesn't necessarily mean "to speak to", but could include written communication as well.
If you want to say "I like to", then you're on the right track, but the thing you like comes before が好き
Note that the pattern here is noun+が好き、the の in のが好き is called a nominalizer, it basically turns everything that comes before it into a noun (phrase).
I meaaaan.....yotsuba is only mentioned because no one wants to hear about how much vocab and grammar you learned from Horihone Saizou.
Can I just jump in Tae Kim without knowing a single Kanji or should I learn them beforehand?
yeah it's perfect for it. you won't even need to rep any of the words he uses because you'll see them so much.
Should I worry about vocab while doing Tae Kim or just learn the grammar concepts?
That is what I've been doing, although I do feel I rely somewhat heavily on reading them to be able to follow what is going on. Even if your listening doesn't improve too much, it'll be good reading practice especially since you are given limited time to read them.
In the end I don't mind it too much, since my goal is mainly reading anyway and not listening.
Do both at the same time you maniac
It's good to get a head start on vocab just because there's so much to learn, but you should at least make it through basic grammar so you can have a general understanding of the sentences used on vocab cards.
Is amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/Vocab.php working for anyone else? I keep getting an error. Anyone know what's going on?
How long did it take you guys before you were totally confident in grammar? I've read through Genki and Tae Kim but there's just so many little things I keep forgetting. I really just want to master it so I can get on with Kanji and Vocab reps and reading but it's been a month now I still don't feel like I know it all.
just use google webcache.
Does anyone even actually have a jpopsuki account?
1 month isn't exactly a big enough time gap to master the entire grammar. Either keep at it or start kanji and vocabulary slowly while reviewing parts of grammar.
I feel the same way, anon. I'm not confident at all with my grammar and can't remember a good majority of what I've gone through. I was stupid enough to try learning kanji and vocab before grammar.
You can't master grammar through reading about grammar. Do you think you'd know English grammar is you just read about the rules but never used/saw them in practice?
Only a week into grammar(Tae kim with a little Genki) and feel pretty confident in my understanding so far.
once i got to verb conjugations i started doing vocab and reading Yotsubato! which has helped drill in and give application to what i have learned thus far.
i do keep Tae kim open for quick reference.
Neither of those resources are remotely comprehensive and understanding or even getting a chance to see certain grammar takes years. Not many, but still, a year is involved to really grasp most of it on a useful level.
The verb before 前に, does it have to be informal, or may it be formal (ます) too?
>Neither of those resources are remotely comprehensive and understanding
Uh-huh, so how did you learn the grammar again?
What do you expect? I doubt you have any vocab cards more mature than a few months. It takes time to internalize and you have to see it in use like 10000 different ways.
You start there and move on to more comprehensive resources when you need to, and start reading things in japanese after than.
In the above sentence, is it necessary to put the particle に after ごろ to link it to the verb? Or is the way I've written it fine?
>How long did it take you guys before you were totally confident in grammar?
You will never, ever be "totally confident" with grammar. Grammar is the biggest bitch in the Japanese language. Kanji is nothing in comparison.
It's funny to see Japanese struggle with the readings of names they have never seen or heard before as well.
But it really makes you wonder about the efficiency of the system, when even native speakers have trouble getting the right reading.
It's almost as if English speakers struggle with the pronunciations for words they don't know sometimes too.
Barring cases like that, there's such things as dumb japs who aren't well read.
>still being a weeb
I honestly think I'm back in 2008 when I come to this board.
There's a difference between not knowing how to correctly pronounce something and not knowing how to say something at all.
If it's a last name, there's usually a hint of status somewhere in there. First names just mean you have cool parents with a sick sense of humor. Not to mention, no one outside of your parents, wife, and childhood friends ever really get to use it or even know how to say it.
I wish I'd saved this one name that was something like Thunderfist Dragonbattleson.
hey to whoever graduated from DJT but still lurks to help out others.
Is futaba the best imageboard for discussion? The threads move slow as fuck, but that's the only complain I have with it
Well you know where the fuck to go,
Someone in the last thread mentioned that there's a lot more blogging and posted these links for finding them.
Otherwise, there aren't really that many imageboards because they're all still using old ass phones. If you can stomach japanese reddit, 2ch sometimes has something good going on, or at least might link out to somewhere you want if you lurk hard enough.
True. But there I'm watching that local bus travel show and they (unintentionally) fuck up place name readings at least once per episode.
Things like reading 南木曽 as Minami-Kiso instead of Nagiso.
Or not knowing at all what the place written 狼煙 is read like and instead going with simply saying the wolf&smoke.
I'm not sure I get why you redirected him to /a/.
How fast do you go?
ｓｈｏｗ ｍｅ ｙｏｕｒ ｓｋｉｌｌｓ
200 cards in 39 minutes.
Yeah, I'm pretty slow but I want to make sure I have stuff drilled in my brain.
If you don't know whether what you've written is correct or not, you can try googling it to see whether other people have used that construction before. If there are no results, it's a good sign you messed something up.
If we're just talking about speed I'll get as many reps as I can and mash one key.
What's the importance of stroke order? Will I look like a massive retard if I get it wrong?
Is there any way to make JParser with Japanese definitions or something like it?
bit too late to be worried about looking like a retard
Not even the nips care about stroke order.
Also I love that picture.
Not that anon but I've heard this before. Is it really true?
I don't know how, but I rememeber learning to write in English when I was like 3 or 4 and learning proper "stroke" order for letters and numbers. I never followed the "rules" and I write a lot of things in different ways than a lot of people but my handwriting turned out fine. Is this the same way with Japs?
Well, they'll notice if you screw up stroke order on kana or very common kanji. For example, you look at a person as childish or uneducated if they form their 8 with two circles instead of one fluid "sideways infinity" motion. The Japanese don't care about stroke order past the kana and the very most common Kanji though. There is a Japanese game show where they show an uncommon kanji and they have to write it with the write stroke order, so if people get it wrong enough for a game show, it'll be fine if you only know the kana and the more common kanji.
Yes and no. Printed handwriting is legible just as it is here, but lacks the speed and refinement of 行書, which is basically cursive and has forms and abbreviations for radicals that are both standardized to be legible, and not look like crap in spite of being legible.
If you already do writing practice for memory, this site is extremely helpful for writing better and faster. Even if you don't it's useful so you can recognize handwritten shit on pixiv.
Any tips for how to avoid endless procrastination? I told myself I was going to make tons of progress over winter break but now it's over and I only studied like 3 times during, I feel disgusted with myself. I've managed to avoid backsliding like I usually did in my past endeavors to learn Japanese but it feels like I have a harder time pushing myself to go do it every day and I am afraid that soon I'll wind up stalling completely and losing all the progress I made during the 2-3 months I was going at it diligently.
Does anyone have a rough idea of how difficult it is to read Love Plus?
I'm looking for some games to play on my 3DS and this looks like it would be fun, but I don't want to buy it it's going to be completely out of my league, use tons of difficult grammar, and will be something that I won't be able to understand until another I go through another year of studying.
Stroke order is not a set-in-stone, immutable thing. However, if you'd ever want to try calligraphy or something, then it is a must to respect the proper stroke order.
In general, the correct order is actually the easiest and most sytematic way to write, because the order of strokes is generally the same, as in when you have horizontal and vertical lines, the order of placement for them generally holds true for everything that uses them. Not sure if this is clear enough.
But anyway, if you're having a problem with it for some reason, doing the order differently won't matter too much. Since the strokes "flow" into each other, you need to be able to write in a flowing way, the example of the number 8 in >>100741337 is a good example for writing without flow. As long as you don't fuck up it'll be fine.
>Any tips for how to avoid endless procrastination?
Honestly, if you live in the US and you don't have any major heart problems then your best bet is probably to just get a prescription for some study drugs. I'm sure there's healthier options that will give you willpower, maybe meditation or something like that, but I don't have any experience with it.
All I know is that I used to be unable to do anything and I would procrastinate with everything that I ever tried to accomplish. Now though, I do almost nothing but study. I wake up, take pills, study, study, study, take a break to eat, take second dose of the day, study, study, study, second dose wears off, look at DJT for about 30 minutes, and then sleep. I can't remember the last time I procrastinated and it's been months since I played a video game. I don't even care since these things make me enjoy studying.
If you don't mind dealing with the side effects and you really want to be able to study diligently for as long as you can then this is the fastest and easiest way to do it.
Why would you procrastinate doing something you chose to do? This isn't some homework assignment your high school teacher gave you. You shouldn't have to push yourself to do something that you want to do. I recommend you quit learning Japanese before you waste even more of your time on a futile endeavor. If you don't want to follow that advice, all I can say is try watching motivational videos like this
"As long as you don't fuck up it'll be fine"
Fuck... You kind of tempt me into wanting study drugs. I hope for a future career in the military though, so no mind-altering anything for me.
I should go to sleep.
Get a friend who isn't a procrastinator to be your alarm clock
I've been studying for probably 8 years, on and off, mostly off. I know between 1000-2000 words. I decided I would try watching Kiki's Delivery Service in Japanese with no subtitles. I understand less than 10% of it. This is so disheartening, if only Kami-sama hadn't made me such a lazy piece of shit I would be fluent by now.
>I know between 1000-2000 words
>I've been studying for probably 8 years
No you haven't.
Maybe take a Japanese class or go for some tutoring or something. I don't know. I'm taking a Japanese class next semester that I'm hoping will keep me more on tab with my studies.
How is that even possible? Like 20 percent of japanese is english.
>I hope for a future career in the military though
Don't they give these drugs to people in the military? I know they did in WW2, Vietnam, and definitely to pilots in Iraq, and I'm pretty sure that they still do it. I think they call them "go pills" in the military.
If you happen to be going into the airforce then you're probably going to be getting these pills anyway.
>In a news conference held in connection with Schmidt and Umbach's Article 32 hearing, Dr. Pete Demitry, an Air Force physician and a pilot, claimed that the "Air Force has used (Dexedrine) safely for 60 years" with "no known speed-related mishaps."
>I've been studying for probably 8 years, on and off, mostly off. I know between 1000-2000 words.
I've been studying for a full 27 years and I only know about 900 words.
What the fuck, are you some kind of savant? I've been studying since the early Jomon period and I only know 7 words.
You haven't been studying for eight years you pathetic liar, you've looked into a grammar book eight years ago and somehow picked up a small amount of words while not doing fucking anything but watch anime during that time.
It makes a lot of people only do the bare minimum, but that depends on the class in relation to your skill. If it's too easy you get lazy, and if it's too hard you just do the bare minimum to pass.
If the class is good, it might not kill your fun and be worth your time, but that's a shot in the dark dependent on what you consider fun.
Can we stop this retarded shit right now?
That's actually what I was planning to do, and I know about "go" pills, they're amphetamines, but they are optional and for pilots in 12-16 hour long missions. BUT before you're in health standards are very high, especially for pilot candidates. Before you're in though you need to have no history with any psychological drugs for 5 years before you can be considered.
What the fuck are you talking about, without knowing the patterns of stroke order you can't use search for an unknown kanji using a computer.
You also need to know it to pass even in the lowest levels of kanji kentei, so natives know it for sure.
>Starting before the fall of Emperor Jimmu
You should've learned that in your first 6 months
Over the years I've read Genki I about 4 times, Genki 2 once, Tae Kim twice, done about 1200 words in Core2k, did the first 100 kanji in RTK about 3 times, the first 300 once, and I am currently at 600 going through it now.
I study for awhile, then I quit and forget everything I learned, then start again. I probably can't learn Japanese, but I'll keep trying.
I learned arround 6.000.000 of words while writing this post
Can anyone recommend some LN's that are available in pure text? I've already read キノの旅第一巻 and it was shit so don't say that.
If you can 'do 1200 words in Core2k' and not remember them afterwards, you haven't really 'done 1200 words'.
Pressing the 'yes' button doesn't make you remember stuff.
If you think something's wrong feel free to explain it. I'm not a faggot so I'll listen to your reasoning before telling you I'm definitely right.
As someone with no interest in using written moon outside of a digital setting, is it better for me to learn kanji and vocabs by seeing them first and answering the meaning, or by seeing the meaning and answering the kanji/vocab?
I've been through that cycle once before and it was so shitty I promised I would never fap again until until I have the skill to get a blowjob from a furfag on pixiv at an オフ会. I purposely set the bar low, but it's still been a motivating couple of months.
>I have no interest in production
>Should I learn recognition or production?
Is キノの旅 available in pure text? The font on the scans was a bit hard on my eyes.
The fact that it is something I chose to do makes it easier to procrastinate, honestly. Like, I know nothing bad will happen if I slack off and I have other commitments I also need to be doing so sometimes it's hard to gather up the motivation. Or I tell myself I'll do it later in the day and then I get tired before I would get around to it or something.
I don't want to quit, I mean I know the real answer is "just fucking do it" but was curious if anyone who had a similar problem had something that helped.
Would rather not use drugs, and also going out and getting a prescription would make me nervous anyway.
Look at people who are more accomplished than you and watch them learn until you get this feeling of being the only one left behind. Steve Kaufmann (Youtube: lingosteve) currently does this 90 day challenge thing with daily vlog updates which I find quite inspiring.
I would like to know this too.
See them and answer the meaning is better, I think.
> that are available in pure text
That's an extremely limiting factor. All of the LNs I have downloads are scans.
For all I know doing one improves both equally. I just wanted to know if there's one to prioritize for my purpose.
That seems excessive.
It's probably not because it's loaded with furigana and has color pictures. The real question is where you get ebooks of novels because I want to read some Ranpo and he hasn't been dead long enough to be on aozora.
I can safely say that 1000 words into core, recognition is not production and recognizing cards is not the same as recognizing words in the wild. it's going to take some time to unfuck myself from this.
Why are you even responding then?
Are you doing both the individual words and the sentences? I think that should be good enough, I don't see any reason to have to go the opposite direction if you're only interested in reading.
So that he(you) knows how retarded of a request that is and hopefully wont ask that same stupid question in a future thread after getting no serious replies in this one.
The problem is that OCR is imperfect, and the people that make the text files often don't bother to correct the mistaken kanji. Sometimes there aren't too many mistakes and it doesn't matter a whole lot, and other times, it makes things unintelligible and it's pretty painful.
You can just google the name + 青空文庫形式 and sometimes you'll get results. I found all of bakemonogatari (well, up until owarimonogatari, anyway) this way.
There do exist books in pure text, there are many of them, so it's not really a retarded question.
I tried using an OCR with a page of 悪に落ちたら once to see how well it worked, and I have to agree. The amount of time it took for me to comb it over and correct mistakes made it seem like more work than just typing it all out myself.
In particular, it had absolutely no idea what to do with furigana most of the time, and usually interpreted them as part of the kanji.
Looking into it. Rubadubdub thanks for the polite euphemism for piracy.
What do you mean pure text? Like in notepad or something?
I don't live in Japan so I've never been to an オフ会 but my impression is that sex is not the primary purpose (although it does happen undoubtedly). I've never actually asked anyone about it though.
Why is Kanjitomo such absolute shit?
While we're on the topic of ebooks, are they any recommended e-reader programs that format vertically? Reading anything else too long hurts after awhile.
It's common enough that if you search オフパコ you get a a ton of pic of people fucking and tweeting.
Is there any (easy) way to reorder cards in an Anki deck? I'd really like to lump together transitive and intransitive words, but reordering cards seems almost impossible.
Good luck with that. Most people would just upload scans, not write all the text from scans into notepad.
オフパコ just means offline sex though, so it's different from an オフ会... Anyway I'm guessing no one here has been to one either so it's kind of a pointless discussion...
There are tons of books available in this format, please stop talking about things that you don't have any experience with, thanks.
Trying to OCR a entire page is asking for trouble.
Though, it still messes up even if you do small bits and avoid the furigana.
using Capture2Text if it matter.
Why specifically a furfag and specifically from pixiv?
Then why are you asking here if you have a whole bunch right there? Are you unable to think for yourself?
Because young, insecure homosexuals obsessed with beastly sex tend to be easy to get into bed, I'd assume.
Is that PD or share?
I was asking for recommendations. Do you expect me to be able to know if something is good or bad, hard to read or easy to read before I've read it? But I guess this is just your deflection for being called out.
It makes mistakes sometimes but I think it's generally the best program of its kind. Not really anything similar that would do better.
This looks really, really useful.
not that anon, but I've finished Genki I & II. I see Tae Kim also reviews contents covered by Genki, so what book do I move onto now? I have no used Anki flashcards at all, thinking I don't need a program record my progress.
How much grammar do I need to get through before I can start playing simple games like Pokemon?
Do I need to go through Genki 1, 2, Tae Kim, and japanese the manga way?
Well when you consider how poorly it did on the highlighted sentence, I kind of think it would be a huge pain in the ass, but that's just me... Maybe if one person scanned it and another person checked it wouldn't be so bad, I dunno, but doing it all myself, I think I'd probably give up after a few pages...
You need to go through all of it because those games were designed with native readers in mind you dirty fucking gaijin pigfuck
about 5 Drachm's worth.
Isn't オフ会 just to 釣り people?
>there's a period in the rikaichan definition
Oh god, why is this bothering me so much?
EVERYTHING, you pearled swine.
I mean it didn't do THAT bad. Maybe it'd be more useful at an advanced level when you don't need to look things up all the time.
Why would you go through Genki 1 and 2 and Japanese the Manga Way AND Tae Kim? Japanese the Manga Way is seriously Genki for retards and Genki is a more in depth Tae Kim. Sure they each have their differences but you'd basically be going through the same thing three times.
Basic grammar at least.
all three of those you listed will teach you grammar. i won't get into the finer points of each since the OP covers that.
Honestly, i think your biggest bottleneck will be vocab.
>Japanese the Manga Way is seriously Genki for retards
But Japanese the Manga Way goes into more detail than Genki and is generally a lot harder to understand.
Most words in any given sentence are pokemon, a city, someones name, or 勝負をしかけてきた, so there's surprisingly little to look up and it makes things easier to understand contextually. Fuck trying to read battle text from the start because that shit rolls fast. Good speed reading practice once you get though.
>harder to understand
What? I only glanced through 4 or 5 of the later chapters but what I saw was really fucking simple. It was just over elaborated (if that's even a thing) and really stretched out.
>It was just over elaborated (if that's even a thing) and really stretched out.
I guess hard to understand isn't the right word. It's harder to retain because he spends so much time describing everything. Average chapter is 10 pages, each page has a huge amount of words, and eventually you start to forget what you read in the last chapters because he just spent 10 pages going on about some grammar particle that could have been explained in half a page.
It's just information overload in every chapter and that makes it harder to retain.
>because he just spent 10 pages going on about some grammar particle that could have been explained in half a page.
Japanese the Manga Way = Genki written by a meth addict.
>Japanese the Manga Way = Genki written by a meth addict.
The perfect textbook for me. I'm about to make cards for every example in the book in Anki.
>king of the hill has a japanese dub
The best anime just got better
>It's just information overload in every chapter and that makes it harder to retain
Then why would you use it?
Someone already did that apparently.
DQN experts and eroge players, please give me a hand on picking the kanji for a name.
For the kanji of the reading かなた, is 奏向 or 奏方 better?
刀 (read かなた)
Awesome. Thanks for that. It's too bad it doesn't have any of the notes, but I can just add those myself.
>Not going to college Japanese courses
What's wrong with you?
Some people actually want to learn japanese.
Teaching yourself is free and you can go at your own pace (which is also faster than a class)
>mfw you nerds STILL haven't made a better guide
Do you even want people to learn Japanese?
No, -I- want to learn Japanese.
The best guide is basically "Learn kana, and then choose a resource that works for you and start immersing yourself" which doesn't really work well as a guide. The guide is just there to reduce the amount of retarded questions and suggest some of those resources.
Isn't that かたな?
Do you not understand how names work? You pick whatever Kanji you want and then pick whatever reading you want.
From anecdotal evidence around 4chan over the years it seems to me that these kinds of classes just tend to go really slow. Like maybe 3 years of college classes to get to what you'd get in 6 months of dedicated self-study. If you totally suck at motivating yourself and you need someone else to guide you then I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad option, but it is a slow one.
That's not even 月（ライト） tier.
I know, and I want to know which one looks or feels better. Both work as DQN or eroge names.
Just use 強姦魔 like you secretly want to.
強姦魔 but it's read かみさま
I'm doing Computer Science instead, an actual useful degree, which has gotten me a graduate job in Japan where I'll learn much better than any course.
You put a が at the end to make it sound more honest. Otherwise put a へ in between 時 and 半
>being a code monkey in a country known for work life being shitty
That sounds awful. But at least you'll know japanese, right?
How do I get Google IME to have the same keybindings as MS IME? I was looking through the keybindings and it was telling me stupid shit like how if I want to change to hirigana input I have to press the hirigana key.
Does learning Japanese help you to intuitively learn or understand instruments that were invented by Japan, like the saxophone?
Oh and I already set the key binding setting to MS IME and that wasn't it either.
Yes, that's why asians have trouble with western instruments like the violin and piano.
裁 is the first kanji I really hate. I can't think of any way to help me remember it aside from trying to burn it into my memory.
etch it into your skin anon. only then shall you remember.
The judge cuts off his garments with a halberd and decides to soil himself in front of the courtroom.
But Korea invented both of those.
Didn't learn using those radical names, thanks for the effort though.
Right, and pizza too.
Why are Koreans so retarded and angry?
Let's not do this, guys.
Hating Koreans is part of Japanese culture.
play 逆転裁判 - phoenix wright, im sure it will burn in your memory
I've learned all four of those Kanji before and the vocab but I completely blanked on the reading. I don't think I'm cut out for Japanese.
Koreans are the worst. There is nothing within their culture that is not stolen from either China or Japan.
And just who do you think gave the japanese the knowledge of rice?
First, I am a Japanese, and I cannot use English well.
If you difficult to read my comment, I apologize to you.
Additionally, in this comment, I swear that this comment is not the private thoughts of as JAPANESE.
I will talk you to one another thing in football of the London Olympic.
In men's football third-place match of the Olympic, South Korea won Japan.
After won, Korean player put up a placard which wrote "Dokdo is Korea's territory" in Hangul.
(Dokdo is the Korean name of Takeshima. )
Territorial claim is a political act.
And, Political action of Olympic athletes have been banned in the Olympic Charter.
Therefore, Korean Olympic athlete violated the Olympic Charter.
A Korean player put up the placard, but all Korean players did not stop him.
In addition, when they were pointed the political action, they said "Japan is more worse" without feelings of guilt of the political action.
By any chance, even if Japan was more worse, South Korea had to apologize to all countries of the world for acts of immorality.
From these, you can see that Korean disregard the Olympic Charter.
By the way, do you know what is the bad thing of Japan which Korean said?
They said that Japan using the uniforms in the motif of "the Rising Sun flag (called Kyokujitsu-ki in Japanese)".
"Rising Sun flag" was military flag of Japan in WWII.
Today, the flag used by Japan Self-Defense Forces, newspaper company, good catch flag and more.
Furthermore, the pattern is also used in emblem of the Unification Church which is a Korean Christian Church.
Korean said that "Rising Sun flag" is the same as the flag of Nazi because the flag is a symbol of the invasion of Asia by the Japanese military.
For that reason, they are seeking a ban on the use of its flag.
Moreover, please pay attention to the way Koreans protest.
They often use animals to protest.
There are many other examples of that.
Fuck off Jap cunt with your shit-tier propaganda.
Many people consider it important. They're not going to kill you if you mess up for maybe switching this stroke with that one in something like 書, for example, which is exactly commonly written with the wrong stroke order, but it is overall considered very important and you can't just not learn it or ignore it at all don't think you can or should if you're learning writing.
can't we all just be friends?
>asians have trouble with western instruments like the violin and piano.
But they don't?
We were just talking about Koreans though. Why are you giving a double standard?
I think it'd be a good idea if Korea would make any actual attempt to be friends. Everytime I see them in the newspaper it opens up with some Korean saying something like, "正歴史を知らない民族に未来はない" every time. They teach their kids to hate Japan. Until they make any effort to change that, then there's not a chance in hell that the relations will get any better and if they at all care, then they'll have to change that.
Do Korean and Japanese relations really matter?
They're both US slave nations so they can't actually do anything against each other without our approval. They can bicker amongst each other as much as they want as long as they know that if they step out of line then the fury of the eagle is going to be swooping in to slap their asses with some freedom bombs.
I guess I'll go ahead and respond to this shitty attempt at comedy.
Yes because you can't just bomb two countries and call the conflict over. Since they're both placed under US protection, if there is a problem between them, then the US should be informed as to what exactly that problem is and to why it's occurring. You have to choose a side. In order to choose a side, you have to be informed and make a decision. Korea is obviously the wrong decision in the case.
>You have to choose a side.
A parent doesn't choose a side when his children are misbehaving. He smacks both of their asses and tells them to learn their place.
>have two children
>one hits the other
>kill them both
Great logic dude.
He totally said kill
It doesn't matter. It's a fucking idiotic way of looking at it regardless of the action taken.
Who's saying anything about killing? We nuked Japan and blew up every single one of their cities and we didn't kill them.
Just move the fleet in between the two arguing slaves and tell them to sit down and get back to work or we're going to remind them what firebombing feels like.
Japan only stoped being a bunch of retarded cave man because the koreans went there to help them in something something before christ.
Me in blue.
You're a horrible person and you should feel bad.
When did /a/ go liberal on me?
I'm not sure if that was intentionally ironic or not.
Let's not get too far into a Liberal vs Republican thing, I can accept Korea bashing but that's too much.
At least say it in Japanese.
Explain how that is liberal.
Are there any good android apps worth looking at? Either for studying or games I could use as practice?
There's anki droid if you haven't already, and if you feel like paying money, the 新明解国語辞典 is a nice dictionary that will entertain you for hours with musings on love and fish.
the scarier part is how korea was basically like the right side all the way up until the early 80s or so when it finally wised up and started copying more advanced countries
No it wasn't. You better start reading some books man.
And what's your point, really? I was talking about before christ, and you post recent pictures. Was that supposed to prove me wrong?
>Labeling aboriginals the same thing as modern Japanese
That's so stupid I gave you the benefit of the doubt and ignored it. That's like saying (Australians) aboriginals are Australians. They're not. They're just a bunch of natives that were there before civilized people arrived. In any case, comparing modern Korea and Japan to Korea and Japan over 2000 years ago is just silly.
>started copying more advanced countries
So basically just like a certain based country during the Meiji Restoration?
Whose posts are you reading? I did not compare anything. I only implied that Japan started to walk because of the Koreans.
And basically every historian out there refer to them as "Koreans". 2000 years is not even that much when you are talking history, people had already separated in distincts groups with different cultures at the time.
Anyone have any good place to get manga raws these days? It seems like 99% of the sites just copy each other, so if one site doesn't have something, chances are none of the others will.
Is share still a reliable way to get raws?
I use this (http://188.8.131.52/packlists/RawManga.txt) and Nyaa
>wanting to read manga for free
Live in Japan and go to コンビニ, 古本屋 or 漫画喫茶
This might be a dumb question, but what's the channel for that list?
#Vagrant on rizon
What is the difference between
First emphasizes the journey, second emphasizes the destination
The first one indicates that they're heading in the direction of the classroom. That is, the final destination may actually be the library, but one of the steps in getting there is going towards the class first.
The second explicitly says the final destination is the classroom.
>Using google IME
>Suddenly stops working, won't let me change input mode
Change to english then change back to google IME. Usually fixes it for me.
try starting it manually.
C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Google Japanese Input
should be the default installation path.
uhh.. pic unrelated.didn't mean to post that
What is the name of the ebook reader in that screenshot?
We got ourselves a little gayboy
Did that, thanks. I'm starting to think it's a problem with Chrome, as I now seem to be able to change input mode on everything except for it.
>google ime doesn't work with google browser
and people tell me Google IME doesn't have issues
Hmm that time the OCR did a pretty good job, huh. Since it seems to fuck up the small letters a lot, you could just write a script to convert little letters to big letters whenever it doesn't make sense (when it's not しゃ or similar)...
Are you actually trying to do Kino or just using it as practice? (There's already text for 1-9 available though not very good quality from what I remember.)
It's meant to be used with Manga but since most LN are scanned it works just as well.
It's pretty feature rich, i definitely recommend it.
Pretty sure there is a newer version but the creators website is dead.
It's hit and miss. I try to OCR around the furigana for the best match.
it tends to fuck up with 「ろ」and「る」 a lot which becomes a issue. but that might just be the quality of the scans affect it.
Little bit of both i suppose. Mostly grammar practice with a little bit of vocab/sentence mining on the side for my anki deck.
One of the reason why most of them suck at pronouncing english
Can someone help me understand the translation for
>have never met a person that hates cat(s) to the extent of John-san.
To me the 嫌いな人 part seems to make it sound like they are calling him an 'dislikable person', isn't the grammar that's being used here that 嫌い is a na-adjective, and so if you add な and attach it to a noun (in this case 人) then it is describing that noun? Hence 'unlikable person'?
I'm not sure I see any other way to interpret it.
猫が嫌い is one phrase. Adjectives can be used this way. 顔が広い人=A person with a wide face.
Disregard this, I'm an idiot. It means "well connected." Still, the point stands.
If there wasn't 猫が before 嫌いな, you would be right. But な is attached to the whole phrase here.
It makes sense... But how is one supposed to know that though?
I don't think anything in the grammar I've learned so far has hinted anything about this
The only things I've learned about the が particle is that it is the 'identifier particle, or it can also mean "but"
because if you didn't parse the entire phrase together as 猫が嫌いな人 the sentence wouldn't make sense
I think I've just been horribly wrong about how I've been grouping things in my mind this entire time.
Because even what you just wrote I would have interpreted that as you identifying the 'unlikable person' as a cat..
>Because even what you just wrote I would have interpreted that as you identifying the 'unlikable person' as a cat..
Go back and relearn all of the basic grammar.
Hey you guys!
My verb conjugation is not amazing. Could someone help me out by explaining a real-world example?
There is a policeman who says:
"今そっら 行くからな 。。。いいか？"
I believe this means, "I'm coming up there... alright?" or similar. The part I'm having trouble fully understanding is the "imasorra". Is this a conjugation of the verb "iru"?
I am skipping around a little bit in the resources suggested by the OP so I may have missed something basic.
Thanks very much for the help, you guys are the best
Tae Kim touches on it but I don't know if this explanation actually helps at all.
You can do the same thing with verbs as well.
Person that is in the classroom
I did a few of the tests on http://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm and I don't know how to feel. I got 9/10 or 10/10 but I really don't feel like I understand grammar all that well. I had to really think about what to pick and even then I wasn't completely sure I was right, I just happened to be.
did you mistake a ら for a ち
yes, I did
that was about to blow my mind and I thought I fundamentally misunderstood something severe
thanks man, ugh. This is... hard
I've been very careful, I don't think tae kims guide explains that at all then.
At best it mentions japanese is right grouping, which is probably why I would group it like that:
I just don't see any basic grammar rule that implies it would be the former
I've been very careful, I don't think tae kims guide explains that at all then.
At best it mentions japanese is right grouping, which is probably why I would group it like that:
I just don't see any basic grammar rule that implies it would be the later
I don't know how to explain this to you, just look at everything on the left half of は as one thing and everything to the right half as another.
It's ambiguous. The latter makes sense, so it is correct. The former doesn't make sense, so it is wrong.
ok but doesn't that just give:
( 猫 ) が ( 嫌いな人 )
which is what I'm being told is wrong?
I was afraid it might be something like this
>which is what I'm being told is wrong?
No, you're just not understanding that 猫が嫌い is one phrase for whatever reason.
If it helps, が makes it more likely to be the latter type of grouping, whereas は will always be the former grouping.
I do understand that.
But the person I quoted said:
>just look at everything on the left half of は as one thing and everything to the right half as another.
which is exactly what I wrote:
>( 猫 ) が ( 嫌いな人 )
I'm guessing he just maybe didn't word that correctly
but I do understand what everyone is saying, that it should be grouped like you just wrote.
I'll just have to keep an eye out for this sort of thing from now on.
If that's true that actually does make me feel a lot better about it, thanks. Maybe I should read a more in depth grammar guide than tae kims sometime?
Here's the thing about Japanese grammar: 猫が嫌い is one phrase. Why? I don't fuckin' know but it is so you just have to accept that it is. If you try and find the logic behind it (if there is any) then you'll just confuse yourself. I find it very hard to just accept some things are what they are, but sometimes you just need to do it.
は isn't が
No it isn't. It's not hard.
As much as Mr. John
person that we are talking about. And it is being described with something, there is a な before it. What is it being described with? 猫が嫌い "dislike cats" so it is a "disliking cat person". It's not that hard, reread Tae kim or something.
>猫が嫌い is one phrase. Why? I don't fuckin' know
How would you say "someone who doesn't like cats" in Japanese?
The sentence isn't ambiguous, because only one way makes sense with context. The grammar IS ambiguous. For example
The phrase we have been discussing.
ok, so I am a n00b to this japanese business, but
this doesn't seem strange to me, and I don't think "猫が嫌い is one phrase" is correct
We're talking about the difference between the subject of the conversation and the topic of the conversation. が is marking the topic and は is marking the subject.
Isn't it true that you could use が to say "I am J. I hate cats, and Anonymous also hates." and the fact that it is cats which Anonymous hates is implied? And since "I" am the subject (which would be marked with は), if I kept talking and said "dogs are hated", I would be saying that I also hate dogs (but Anonymous doesn't hate them, necessarily.
I think you are unclear on what the discussion is about. It's about grouping.
Like in english, if you said "pretty little girls school"
did you mean
(pretty little) girls school
pretty (little girls) school
pretty (little (girls school))
What purpose does the が and の sure here?
I feel like I'm missing something extremely obvious but I can't place it. Can anyone help me out here? I feel really retarded asking this, but I seriously can't get it.
Without context it doesn't make sense (the particle choice that is). I assume the discussion was テレビ and the speaker was saying that their house/family (as opposed to someone else's house/family) doesn't have a TV. The の is explanatory I guess.
I actually realized why the が is there after I posted, it just clicked for some reason. I still don't understand the の though. It's a statement, telling someone that their household doesn't have a TV. If they are stating they don't have a TV, what is the purpose of the の?
テレビ is the subject, and の gives an explanatory tone.
>In our house, there's no TV (that's why.)
What's the role of 方 in the following sentence?
>It would be good if I had worn clothes, huh?
Is how I'm interpreting this.
Alright, thanks a ton. Makes a lot of sense now. I knew you could use の with a question, but I did not know you could with a statement. Thanks again.
If it were 着た方がよかった then it would be "would it have been good if I wore" but 着た方がいい is "should I wear". Or even better "I should wear clothes right?" The 方がいい part always takes a past-tense verb for some reason, unless it's negative. (You can say する方がいい and people will still understand you, however the meaning is the same.)
Oh, I see now. I was just looking for stuff on 方, I didn't know that was a common phrase. Thanks!
Sorry, but this grammar isn't ambiguous, it's just plain wrong. You would phrase this as 私の好きな食べ物はカレーだ
Not that guy, but they're just two sides of the same sentence. Surely you've seen stuff like 私の鼻は長い vs 私は鼻が長い.
Is Raika-chan still down? I can't download the dictionaries. Could some anon upload them in mediafire?
What the hell does 素 mean in this sentence? I've looked it up on jisho but as far as I can tell it can mean several things which only loosely fit in this context.
It just means asking without thinking, with no other intention.
I should really just google things more often, thanks anyway.
I realize now that none of the special conversions in my google ime works, even though all of them are on.
What is difference between 進め and 勧め？
So basically 'Go forward' and 'Recommend'
Do Japanese use them different strictly?
I can't learn Japanese.
I haven't done my reps in more than a months.
What exactly does the final bit of
I suspect it's some falsely used kansai-ben.
Is this a volitional-te form or am I missing out on a common sentence ending particle?
So I'm currently doing the Core 2k/6k/10k deck everyday and I add in all the new Kanji that I've encountered into another new custom deck where I revise separately each day as well.
Am I doing this shit correctly? I haven't started reading Genki or the other books yet, but I plan to some day.
How do I combine my kanji practice with my vocab practice?
I'm using an Anki deck for the kanji but I don't know what to use for vocab.
I'd like to study vocab which uses kanji I already know (up to the end of grade 2).
It's the imperative form of 見ている (見ていろ), shortened to 見てろ. The meaning of the sentence is "sit and watch."
grammar is much more important than kanji and vocabulary. Get on that shit right now.
Absolutely. 進 even has the movement radical, so it would be nonsense to use it for recommendation.
かわま せんせい えくぼ日本語の森 ヴィデオは どこ ですか。 ＃１０－２５ みえません。 ありがとう ございます。
Where are Kawama sensei Ekubo Nihongo no Mori videos? I can't find #10-25 for instance. Thank you.
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
Sometimes when I wake up and go on /a/ I see something written in Japanese and read it unconsciously and then go "Wait, I can read Japanese now". It's a good feeling.
I see that frequently used in nearly everything I read, it hardly counts as a cunty jukugo. Now
on the other hand...
How you can translate this?
I understand almost every word, but it just don't make sense.
You must meditate and achieve a state of zen
Is there a point in learning the english meaning of a kanji?
Study drugs may help you with studying, but if you don't actually need them because you have ADD or something of the like, I don't recommend taking them.
I took ritalin for seven years due to ADD. It helped me massively to get through school and to not end up becoming some dropout failure.
I stopped taking ritalin this summer, and I'm am happier than anything that I did.
It may help you study, but it fucks with your health, not only a physical level. Your psychology will start to change with long term use. It numbs your creativity, and inhibits your enjoyment of things, even when you're not on them.
Or at least that's what I observed with myself and what most of the people who have taken ritalin over a long time have told me.
>tl;dr study drugs mess with your shit
Because ritalin is a shit tier drug in comparison to amphetamines.
How I should meditate, sensei?
But seriously this japanese poetry is really something.
I don't even know, it's just me or "official" translation have almost nothing to do with original text.
>But they don't?
that's the joke
What does the official translation say?
Kanji don't always transfer 100% to specific words (or can have several meanings) so it can help to assign a sort of keyword to them to make them stick better.
other from the fact that ritalin is an amphetamine, I don't think taking MDMA will be a great help for learning japanese.
>first thought is MDMA
MDMA is classed as an amphetamine but isn't amphetamine itself (by the way, ritalin also falls under the same grouping as amphetamines).
I'm getting back to studying japanese after a 5-year hiatus. I had classes for three years before that, and now I'm on my own.
I thought of a procedure of sorts to study kanji. I start studying five kanji on the first day. Next day, I add five more, and study these and the other five from the day before. Next day, five more. By the fifth day, I'll have studied the first set five times, the second set, four times, and so on. On the sitxh day, I REMOVE the first set and add a new one as usual. This way, I will have 5 sets (25 kanji) to study every day, including five new kanji each day.
Each day, I'll go over a circuit through these 25 kanji. I'll put them in a sequence and try, from memory, to write and pronounce them, as well as writing down two or three jukugo when applicable. I'll be using Anki and KanjiDamage.
I'm still not sure how I'll go about the grammar though. I'm probably gonna study using Tae Kim's grammar guide.
What do you guys think?
what does it mean when a noun ends with a "ni" particle? is it some kind of ellipsis? or does it mean "on/in/at"?
also, what's the function of the particle "no" in the second verse?
Anyone heard of the J-CAT test?
I just did it and results (pic related)
I don't know how to feel. (Started studying Japanese around January last year (new year promise), so I don't if I'm on a "good" pace or not.
I've checked koohii and some of them reached 300+ but with 3 years of study or so. So maybe I'm "good"?
I think you're retarded for not letting anki tell you when you need to learn and removing things after 5 days is going to lead to you forgetting them because that isn't how memory works. Not to mention 5 a day with KD isn't even worth the effort unless you're only studying for 5 minutes AND have a severe learning disability.
Just use anki like it was designed. It's one thing to need to adjust intervals and another to take the time to use it and disregard what it does entirely. You're essentially cramming and overlearning without any reinforcement. When it says the card is due in 5 days, science has shown you're very likely to forget it by the 6th day.
禾ム ﾚよ 口木 〒^^五ぅ
I've just started using core2k to study vocab, but I am seeing many kanji that I've never seen before.
How am expected to learn any vocab if I don't know know the kanji?
How much kanji should I learn before I start with core2k?
Arent there any decks out there that only use kanji from a certain grade?
I think it's used for placement in a lot of university classes. Judging by how you placed, you've completed about 4 semesters worth of classes in a year. Congratulations on doing 2 years of college classes in half the time without a teacher. You're DJT average.
Then I think I just don't know how to use anki properly yet. What I do is keep guessing kanjis until where I learned.
>Then I think I just don't know how to use anki properly yet
Leave the settings alone. Start grinding. Done.
>other from the fact that ritalin is an amphetamine
I highly recommend reading the post before replying to it
This, I've been using it with the default settings for a few weeks and now I know about 250 kanji.
Every week or so I go through the full list until the last thing I learnt, there's usually only a few kanji I haven't memorized and they are the recent ones.
You either know, or you don't. If you have to take the time to guess, the card is a failure. Even with the extra reviews, it's faster and more effective than hemming and hawing over a card you might have guessed eventually.
>You either know, or you don't.
Well, sometimes it takes a little while for the bell to ring. Especially when I'm reviewing a kanji that I learned on the day before.
Is this a poet or just an ode to garbage pail kids?
Not him, but when I at least recognize the meaning of the word (since I'm doing a vocab deck and not kanji), I hit good. If I don't recognize either the meaning or pronunciation, I hit hard.
>If I don't recognize either the meaning or pronunciation, I hit hard.
So when exactly do you hit again?
I worded myself badly, sorry. I mean, only if I recognize the meaning and the pronunciation I hit good. I never hit again. This is supposed to be long-term memorization, no? I don't see any reason to hit again.
Kanji and vocab are a bit different. For kanji, you have to work though the mnemonic and all that mess, but there's a point where you just need to read the back of the card, fail it, and start over so you can do it faster the next time.
Vocab, you either know the word AND what it means, or you don't. Anything else is false understanding. It bit me in the ass 1000 cards in and I've been spending the past week going through trying to fix it. Don't lie to yourself.
>This is supposed to be long-term memorization, no? I don't see any reason to hit again.
It resets the card's progress so ones you obviously can't remember will come back tomorrow and then again in a few days rather than weeks and months.
But if I do recognize the word at one point, it does mean I "know" the word. I just took some time to remember it. It's not like I need to instantly look at the word and know it to hit good.
If you don't know that 想像 is pronounced そうぞう AND that it means imagination, you don't know the word. It's pretty cut and dry.
Yeah, I understand that. But what if I take some time to remember that 想像 is そうぞう and it means imagination? Like, 5 or 10 seconds to remember. I still hit good when that happens.
You can't memorize something in long term before punching it through short term memorization several times. Anki isn't magic.
Shit, I didn't even know that. I guess I'll have to start hitting again for a while when it comes to words I barely remember.
>and start over so you can do it faster the next time.
But doing your reps is not about trying to do it faster next time.
If you see a kanji that doesn't ring the bell right away, but you know that if you think a little you might get it, you should try to identify it instead of just looking at the back of the card so you can get it done faster.
I don't think you are supposed to identify every kanji that you learned on the day before [or that you know for a little time] on the very second you see them. This kind of thing only happens when you know it for a while already, or with certain specific kanji that just stand out in your mind for some reason.
Whats the best examples of kanji you guys have seen which there is no english equivalent.
eg Schadenfreunden in german
I was worried. There's been people who think one or the other counts as knowing. But it doesn't hurt to hit hard because you don't get faster at recognition unless you really test it. This is especially true for understanding big numbers spoken very fast.
>Schadenfreunden in german
But I thought that meant the pleasure of being cummed inside.
>There's been people who think one or the other counts as knowing.
I don't think anyone is so foolish as to think that.
can you explain in english
Damn the nips must have had a field day with that
I take longer for Kanjireps than Vocabreps and by clicking repeat and redoing cards you will artificially inflate your card per time unit ratio, since those count as a seperate card and you will get them much faster, at least I tend to.
That being said, about 450 cards in 60 minutes after finishing my Kanji and Vocab deck.
>by clicking repeat and redoing cards you will artificially inflate your card per time unit ratio
No, by never repeating cards you artificially shorten your card per time ratio and falsify your retention stats.
Is it a bad thing to do Kanji and Vocab in one deck? I mean, either you want it or not, you are going to get vocab by learning kanji, when I say "Kanji and Vocab in the same deck" I mean kanji and kana only words.
Go take a visit to some forums that aren't a hateful anonymous crucible for finding what works. Report your findings.
It involves a made up korean feeling of angry depression that's cured by your son being successful in life, so not really.
But really, anything can be explained in any language, it's just that some languages have a single word for it, so they cant describe it worth shit.
Everyone has to find their own way of studying. I hated doing vocab without knowing the Kanji beforehand. Knowing the most common pronounciations and the meaning is a great way to actually retain that shit. Otherwise you're just looking at some random ass scribble combinations. At least that's my experience.
There are people who leaarn Kanji exclusively through vocab, but I couldn't do that.
Is "laughing at the expense of others" a foreign concept to Anglo Saxons?
english dont have a single word for it, but i thought germans are anglo
>but i thought germans are anglo
Yeah we do. Sadism, or to be on topic 嗜虐
And brazilians too.
I'm learning kanji and vocab at the same time, and in my case it's much easier to retain words with kanji that I already know.
Usually, something like 210 cards per 90 minutes. Yes, I'm slow, mainly because I throw the words I don't know in a jp -> jp dictionary, to fully comprehend it. It's kinda like a waste of time but I like taking my time for it.
How important is Anki for studying? I've never actually used it. I usually just prefer to keep a notebook because it helps me learn kanji/vocab by writing them out. I just flip through to earlier pages every now and then to make sure I'm retaining the info.
I've also found that for kanji I don't write out, I can recognize them and read them, but often if I go to write it myself I'll end up drawing a blank and only remember the 'general shape' of it.
How do you guys study?
I write down kanji, use kanji for vocabulary (custom deck with words I don't know from VNs), talk with a japanese friend every day for about 1 hour, watch anime, and read VNs. Also occasionally I review grammar.
I mean, anki.
It certainly makes processing a lot of information a ton easier. I am convinced the rumor that Japanese is considered a hard language to learn (or hell, that languages in general are impossible to learn without ridiculous amounts of work) only persists because nobody knows what SRS is.
That said, it only really works for pure information like vocabulary and kanji. Stuff like grammar which has to be interpreted as you go can't be memorized so easily.
If you want to be able to write, then you are probably doing the right way. But even if you do keep a notebook, I think it should be important to practice identifying Kanji that you didn't draw yourself.
So I wouldn't leave Anki out if I were you, but you are not doing anything wrong.
Most people here don't care about writing or stroke order because they only want to be able to read and listen.
I've used anki for other things and the difference is pretty astounding considering how much time and effort is saved. It allows you to focus it better wher eyou really need it. For something like japanese, the amount of notebooks and flashcards you need and editing you have to do is just easier to deal with digitally.
>8 years, 1000-2000 words
Are you aware that if you learned 1 word a day. You'd know about 3,000 words after 8 years.
I know you meant you started 8 years ago and didn't do shit for 8 years but just look at the above. A single word a day would have made you 33% more knowledgeable.
That's the trick to not being lazy, shit doesn't happen instantly, just choose a simple pace and do it everyday. If you do it everyday it'll add up.
If you come up with excuses to skip days, then give up, you clearly don't care enough to learn.
Alright, thanks all. I guess it certainly could only help to throw Anki into the mix then, even if I'm just putting in the same information that I'm writing down.
>without knowing the patterns of stroke order you can't use search for an unknown kanji using a computer.
Yeah you can:
and SKIP if you're using a traditional dictionary.
Because it tests you, you really get to see what you are having trouble with and because you already have a good method going, you can use it to work on only what you really need to.
A lot of people don't know what to do outside of anki because with good cards, it's around 90% effective.
>it's around 90% effective.
Was this made on the spot?
Everyone post stats.
I've been using anki for months and I still don't know how to read those anki graphics.
Not to mention the drawing pad on google translate finds anything no matter the stroke order.
I wish I had known about this earlier. The IME pad is suffering if you don't know the proper stroke order.
I guess, but does it work if you don't know the stroke order of handwritten forms?
Step up sempai.
Dear Robert Cute
We have received your request of registration.
You will receive your password within 72 hours after your information is verified.
You can take the J-CAT once for 6 months.
Soo i have to wait 3 days...?
>Or at least that's what I observed with myself and what most of the people who have taken ritalin over a long time have told me.
Yep, that's what happens when you take Ritalin. Methylphenidate is absolute garbage and the difference between it and Dextroamphetamine is like night and day.
This is why many drug users will just throw away Ritalin if they happen to be unlucky enough to get a prescription for it. They don't even want to use it, they just flush it down the toilet and wait a month to try to get an adderall prescription.
I never tried looking at mine. I don't want to become one of those obsessive anki fags who think their score in anki is a measure of how well they're learning Japanese.
Because of how ubiquitous they are and how many different ways they can be used. I think it takes longer to learn these verbs properly than it takes to learn the kanji.
How do you stutter in hirigana, because you only repeat half the hirigana so writing it twice would be stupid
It's a good metric for finding out a lot of things. Just post it.
Yeah, if you can understand it that is.
It's really easy to read. Basic statistics, but most people never take that class.
You write it twice.
I don't believe in jewish science.
I've never been very good at math, statistics was the last math related class I had to take for my major.
Oh boy was that rough for me, my only almost failing grade and I don't remember a single thing from it.
Mine probably sucks because I learn the words while seeing them on Anki, and I always hit again a few times for new cards no matter what so I can get them sooner.
I do the same thing and even added an interval so I see cards 3 times from the start. Either way, the cards still count as new and it looks like you're learning 70 a day.
I hate to request, but can someone post the picture of the girl saying "you can't learn japanese"?
It's all about the mature cards and the rate you're adding new ones. Seeing the time it takes you is also useful and a fun game to work on. I realized cards I was adding on Friday were fucking me up the rest of the week for some mysterious reason and stopped doing them, which cut 20 minutes off my daily time.
>I realized cards I was adding on Friday were fucking me up the rest of the week
What the fuck? What's wrong with friday?
Apparently drinking is bad for your short term memory. Who would have thought?
Fuck this guy. Fuck it hard. I still don't really understand how it works and I've seen it a dozen times in VNs.
Argh. Glad I got this one right. It was the hardest so far.
>eng → jp
this looks like a bad idea.
Don't try to understand. Just put sentences into anki and treat it like some sort of weird slang. Hang icing on a cake, hang a story, hung by a an agreement.
What do you guys think of this?
Fuck, i fucked up there. like twice
Also there's another way to say this using 掛かる but I can't remember what it is.
We have a few of these in english
what is the difference between hiragana U( う ) and katakana ra( ラ )?
sometimes i cant differentiate at all
Try looking at them in a better font then.
What do you mean "what's the difference"? One is curvy the other is edgy.
I learned the passive form from this song and also that it means "to be taken in by"
Music, and music videos especially, make learning grammar and vocab so much easier. No good for sentence order, but 2 out of 3 isn't bad.
Learning Japanese does take a long time. I have spent years learning it. I think it has been worth it. Your mileage may vary. What else can I say.
Posted too often and I have a problem with it every time it's posted.
>You need to study for 3-7 years to get any use out of it.
>Claiming that learning Japanese is not as valuable as learning the guitar or going to the gym.
>other stuff I'm too lazy to re-read about.
they're clearly different. The most immediate one being how curvy the hiragana is.
They are as identical as J and L
The language will be dead in a few years anyway though. Most Japanese children these days only speak Japanese with their parents or teachers. With their friends it's all English. And when this generation grows up the language will be hardly used for anything anymore.
こういう表現聞いたことない・・・ 検索してみても何も出ない 何を言おうとしてる？
You usually see katakana written in discrete words and phrases, not mixed in with hiragana, so it's never been a problem for me.
>With their friends it's all English.
Looks like you misspelled Mandarin there.
This has to be the most fucked up thing I've read all day.
The article seems to assume that anyone who decides to start learning the language is only learning it to have a nice vacation there or work there for a couple years before returning home. It mentions nothing of people learning it as/for their hobbies or making it their livelihood, etc. Then again, I guess the article really is only there to discourage people with shallow motives from taking up a massive waste of time.
It does seem to be referring specifically to learning Japanese to actually go to Japan, which only applies to a very small minority of people here. Most of us just want to learn the minimum required to consume Japanese media, not actually communicate with Japanese people. That allows us a lot of shortcuts he doesn't really consider.
>Most Japanese children these days only speak Japanese with their parents or teachers. With their friends it's all English.
How do they learn English when English teachers in Japan are so terrible that adults in university who have been taking English classes for years barely understand the language?
Well that's it, after many exhausting years of study I have finally memorized the last Kanji, and can now start memorizing vocab! I feel a great feeling of accomplishment.
>claims to have memorized every kanji
>doesn't have vocab
Talking to foreigners on the internet, browsing English websites, watching English shows and movies. That's how most kids not born in English speaking countries learn it these days.
why do you suspend everything?
The article is some bullshit hacked together to get pageviews by some fag who gave up because he doesn't want to give the literal D to some japs the way our grandparents did in ww2 metaphorically. it's the equivalent of a frustrated shitpost on here.
And playing games. Yeah, that's how I learned it. But people don't seem to believe me when I tell them I learned english naturally doing everyday stuff in Brazil.
This approach doesn't really work as well with japanese tho.
you know every single kanji possible?
This is fish? What?
I did learn English from games and stuff aswell. But I doubt you can learn Japanese like that casually because there are no similarities that you can grasp on.
Most foreigners relative to 4chan standard time have massive exposure to actual english because it's the lingua franca in europe. Japs think マイパース is good english and the average english speaker would understand what they're saying.
I can't even fucking spell it right they write things so wrong.
>I can't spell
>It's someone else's fault
Because most of it is dupes and katakana and I like seeing what I'm actually learning.
And what the fuck is that? My page? That would be with ジ tho and would make no sense on your sentence.
The point is, it's not english if it doesn't mean the same thing in english and isn't pronounced like english. Just like how all those jukugo aren't chinese.
>Myself, I can honestly say I’ve spent at least 4,000 hours actively studying
>If I had to say how long it would take to get reasonably good at Japanese, I’d estimate a minimum of 3 to 7 years, and possibly much more
If he's been studying for three years then that means that he only studied for 3.6 hours a day.
If he's been studying for seven years then that means that he's only studied for 1.5 hours a day.
Either way, 4,000 hours is pathetic for 3-7 years of studying. This kind of attitude is typical for normies. They like to think in terms of years rather than actual time studied. They never lay out their daily study schedule because that immediately reveals their laziness. They will say things like, "I've been studying Japanese for three years and I can't read anything yet. This is such a hard language." but during those three years they never did anything more than take some shitty class at their college once a week and maybe do some stroke order practice sheets on the weekends.
And also ペ instead of パ.
>it's not english if it doesn't mean the same thing in english and isn't pronounced like english
Yeah, マイペース is a Japanese word, not an English word.
It's Chuya Nakahara.
It was something like this
>Upon the sorrow of being dirtied,
>Today, the snow falls cold and heavy
>On my shameful sadness
>Even today a light snow keeps falling
>Today, even snow was far too cold
According to the nips I know, that's pretty false, and the majority of Japanese forget pretty much all their English as soon as they exit school.
Oh shit this is a japnese word? I was trying to find an english match this whole time.
Damn you katakana.
But why did you suspend almost everything?
I deleted everything that doesn't have examples (got 6k left) and just hit easy in katakanas, since it's good to know some of them.
sorry for being retarded but how do you learn kanji from anki? do you just get a card with a kanji on it, have no idea what it is, and just flip it to figure it out? and then do a whole bunch like that?
There are a lot of ways. The way I do it is I see a new kanji, flip the card and look at the meaning and reading. Then I press again and try to get it right next time.
Regardless of getting it right or not, if a card is new, I press it again a few times so I can see it more often.
It's supposed to be "my pace" and it's applied to someone who is laid-back and does things "at his own pace". It's "made in Japan" English, 和製英語
I also wrote the kanji times each whenever I got them wrong, which I think helped me learn them.
*three times each
I find it hard to write kanji if I'm learning them by radicals. Drawing kanji basically comes to radicals in the end, and since I learn the kanji by itself and not pay that much attention to radicals, I suck balls at writing.
>I find it hard to write kanji if I'm learning them by radicals.
if I'm not learning them by radicals*
It took my under 6 hours. For some as fast as 20 minutes.
>and it's applied to someone who is laid-back and does things "at his own pace".
Is this kind of behavior accepted in Japan or is it used as an insult for lazy people with no willpower?
It would be a shame if Japan picked up our terrible western learning habits and started to slack.
20% of the US is functionally illiterate so マイペース certainly doesn't work very well.
I don't get these high illiteracy rates, really. Don't most of these people go to school at one point? Old people aside, how is it possible that so many of them pass if they can't even read?
>it's applied to someone who is laid-back and does things "at his own pace"
Not really. It carries more of a "doesn't give a shit about anyone else and pays no attention to his surroundings" meaning.
It's not exactly an insult but it's certainly not used in a positive way.
Why is "wwwwwwwwwww" translated as "lolololololol" whenever anime show 2chan?
I think it's filled with retarded tidbits I could greentext and make comments about (and I'd like to to be honest) but I'd prefer people would not post it since it doesn't really add anything valuable to the thread and isn't even funny.
It's an representation of the double "v" for "victory" sign Japanese soldiers would do with their hands while posing for photos of their killed, mutilated enemies. Since the soldiers would always laugh in these photos, laughing and "w" became synonymous.
But what does it have to do with w?
it's on the first link in the OP man. Under FAQ
It starts with w.
Give me a break. It's the closest thing I could remember without checking up and I thought the message would deliver anyway.
What? This is the second most fucked up thing I've read all day.
This joke had me dying of laughter. That said, it made me curious about IME.
Do Japanese OS just have a built in IME? How does it work if anyone knows.
What would be the "best" way to use RTK?
>It starts with w.
That's it? Really?
>Do Japanese OS just have a built in IME?
Yes. So does every other Windows version. You just have to enable it in the input language settings.
I feel bad because I laughed.
I don't get it.
Why does the laugh starts in katakana and ends in hiragana?
>laughing out loud is abbreviated as lol
That's it? Really?
Same thing as lololololol
That surprises me.
Me neither but I'm going to assume that in context it's absolutely hilarious.
At least it makes sense. We abbreviated a sentence that is usen often.
Abbreviating only one word is wierd, especially when you abbreviate it so much it becomes just one letter. Sure, they may use the word often, but it still just one word.
Ah, my question sounds a bit silly.
I didn't post all the pages so not enough context Just specifically the one with the IME on it.
While reading a passage Motoharu said 者ならあいている which left the entire class confused because it didn't make sense in context.
In the book it said 土日ならあいている (vertically) and everyone came to the conclusion at the same time and laughed him out of school for 3 days.
you're questioning slang man, it doesn't really follow any rules.
>Don't most of these people go to school at one point?
Western public schools have so many policies set in place that it's virtually impossible to fail nowadays. They just keep getting pushed further and further down into into lower track classes until it gets to the point that you have lazy but otherwise completely healthy kids that are on the same track with the people who have to wear helmets and drool constantly.
Eventually these students will technically graduate, but in their senior year of highschool they might have been learning stuff that is normally taught to elementary school children. It's just the western way of education now. Instead of pushing a kid and forcing them to get their act together and start studying if they don't want to fail, they would rather just move them down the track as far as they need to so that they will still pass but they won't actually have to work any harder.
Maybe it's to give a sense of lots of different people's laughs filling the room?
>Western public schools have so many policies set in place that it's virtually impossible to fail nowadays
You do know that in Japan the passing grade is something like 30%, right?
Yeah that probably would have been funny if I had read it.
Maybe it can be used that way too, I've basically only heard it be used in a slightly teasing or a joking way though, definitely not negative. 「お前、マイペースだなｗｗｗ」
Also, it can definitely be positive: http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/2263501.html
grade this *grabs dick*
Then learn to recognize radicals by name and have it become becomes a better anchor without doing the whole heisig thing.
It seems to be around 50% or 59%.
Even so though, they don't use the "impossible to fail" track system that western schools use. It's still possible to possible to be held back in a Japanese school, while in most western public schools it is impossible. If Japanese kids are in middle school, being taught middle school level material, and they're passing on a 50% then that's better than in a western school where you would have a middle school student passing with a 90% because they're on a track that is teaching them lower elementary school material.
Why? They're niggers with light skin.
生首 (freshly-severed head)
無敵 (invincible - lit. 'no enemies' - no distinction between having no enemies because you are a nice guy, because you killed them all, or because you are too powerful to harm)
Why would I? Writing was never part of my goal.
Where did I say writing? I say pay some fucking attention to what they're made up of so you can recognize them better but I guess you problems paying attention to more than just kanji.
No wonder so many people here are fine with not being able to write.
>You will never have Asian parents that will beat the laziness out of you and force you to succeed.
why did my parents have to be hippies
>having no enemies because you are a nice guy
I have never seen it used that way, are you sure you're not making this up?
I was talking about writing and you reply with "then do X" and you expect people to guess you were not talking about writing anymore? In that case do not use "then" as if you are continuing the subject.
Also, no one was talking about recognizing kanji.
Pay some "fucking attention" before you play the fool next time.
>>I like to write to my friends in Japanese for practice but the don't understand.
First of all this sentence isn't even proper english. You should say "To practice my Japanese I like to write to my friends. However, they do not understand." Of course, this sentence is meaningless since it's not even clear why they don't understand. Is it because they don't speak Japanese or is it because your Japanese is poor?
However, one way to write your sentence in japanese would be 練習のためにお友達と日本語で話すのが好きですけど、彼らが例解できません。
There are so many things wrong with this sentence that I don't even know where to begin. First of all, it's 〇〇が好き not 好きが〇〇. が好き has to come after whatever it is you like. If it's a noun then it will be が好きです but if it's a verb then it has to come after the verb at the end of the sentence/clause.
Next, the correct phrase for "to practice doing something" is 練習のために〇〇する. However, if you want to say "to practice Japanese" you would say 練習になるため. This is because unlike practice, 練習 is not a verb in Japanese.
In Japanese if you want to talk about communicating with someone without specifying exactly how, then you use 話す. 話す is normally translated as "to speak" but it also means "to communicate." If you want to imply that you're actually speaking directly to them then you use 喋る. The word 書く doesn't explicitly imply communication in Japanese like it does it English. It literally means "to write" and nothing else so you have to say what you're writing, like 手紙を書く. People will still understand you if you leave out 手紙, but it won't sound natural and they'll probably ask you え？何を書くんですか？
Next, you can't follow て form with けど. In this instance they're both acting as transitional phrases, but because the next clause is in contrast you need to end the previous clause with a verb. The simple way would be to revert back to 書く, but because you're ending the sentence with わかりません you should use 書きます to maintain 敬語. Also, the comma comes after けど, not before.
Lastly, even though it's ok to use わかる here, it's more correct to use 理解が出来る. This is because わかる doesn't just imply comprehension, it also implies knowledge. So if you use 彼らがわかりません it's not clear if you mean "they don't understand" or "they don't know." The distinction between わかる and 理解 is a subtle, but its use is the exact same as "to understand" and "to comprehend" in English. When speaking directly to someone you use わかる, when speaking about a third party you use 理解.
is there any sort of japanese equivalent to add fucking or shit to every word? do you just say ora a lot and roll your R's?
Watch panty x stocking. Everyone on earth cusses in english because it sounds the best.
I don't know about fucking but there is one to shit, you just add くそ before the word.
Anyone else getting fucked up captchas?
They use it on kids shows. I want my salacious /b/ mouth in japanese. I have that sailor bloood
Get the jewchanjew pass. best 15 shekels I've ever spent on something I couldn't drink, smoke, or fap to.
>Get the jewchanjew pass
What happens when you get banned though? Don't you have to buy another pass after you reset your router?
You learn not to shitpost, or at least be god tier about it. Not sure if bans are tied to it or just the ip.