Why anime will never be taken seriously
Hopefully not, now fuck off.
I wish anime wasn't taken seriously
Ten years ago weeaboos all loved Higurashi and Elfen Lied
Twenty years ago stuff like Eva or Apocalypse zero
Now you look at reviews on MAL and all you see is "Eww titties" "Eww violence"
why Hollywood will never be taken seriously
Taking Hollywood as one entity is really immature.
Shut up, Christopher; you're also a virgin.
Would you take cute little girls seriously.
That movie on the right is still in theaters right?
I'd rather wait for it to go on DVD then go to the theater, this being America and all.
Gee I wonder what OP is doing.
Because people are too stupid to make the difference between a media and a piece of art. Now get out
I think that was the joke
GRUB A DUB DUB
I'd like to think so, but you can't be too sure now a days.
It was pretty good, but I wouldn't call Chobits art
I'm just talking in general, not chobit.
I saw it in a theater with a bunch of friends. The visual quality of some of the scenes was really impressive.
Recently when I watch a good film I always wonder why anime can't be this good.
Too bad Her was overrated bullshit.
>Job:Writing love letters for other people
That's what I've read sypnonses about the movie tell me what he does for a living. If that's true, that's even less believable than the sentient AI.
Because it'd be like comparing apples to oranges?
I can understand watching some hollywood thrillers or something but watching a 3D romance is like stuffing yourself with shit.
Recently when I watch a good anime I wonder why films can't be this good
3D romances are usually much better written than any anime romance.
Anime had the potential, but everyone with talent died, went full on jew, makes comedies or is called Kunihiko Ikuhara
Jesus christ, get out weeaboo fuck.
Can you name these good anime from this season. I watched 27 and couldn't find a single one on par with better films.
For the most part, people in Japan tend to flock towards the Western stuff, and see their own creations as shit.
MOST anime will never be taken seriously because its either cheap entertainment for kids or panders to a niche market of otaku.
Anime like the Miyazki movies, 5 Centimeters Per Second, and Paprika are typically known to some extent by normalfags/westerners and are respected to the same extent any other movie would be.
The movie makes it pretty believable. First, it's not only love letters, its any sort of highly personal letter. Second, they live in a society so detached from each other that everyone will talk to their phones all day with a headset on and nobody will pay anyone any mind.
It's a very accurate portrayal of people's emotions and problems during a relationship, as well as commentary of technology's role in both including and isolating people in life. The AI stuff was just a silly plot device but it worked.
Her isn't for the people who think anime high school harems are quality romance writing.
Don't even bother anon. I saw it. It was shit.
Okay, but you have to name first the good movies from this season. Or last year because a season is kinda limited
Nah, as much as /a/ will hate to hear it, all we need is another series like Cowboy Bebop that gets played on a big name channel like amc. Put it in the timeslot right before Walking Dead and everyone'll see it and think "Man, anime isn't just about men doing lewd things to little girls, this shit's ok!".
Either that or bring Toonami back to the afternoon timeslot on CN and run shounen anime, and play more serious anime on adult swim later.
What the HELL is up with these /tv/ nerds forcing their 3D shit over here? I've seen this shitty 3D movie being vommitted all over /a/.
Get the fuck out you dorks, I don't want you fucks on my turf.
>Watch a good show like Maken-Ki instead
The Wind Rises get nominated for Animated Feature Film Oscar.
fucking /a/ hipstercore.
I still remember everyone getting hyped for "waifu: the movie" back in 2012.
As long as it doesn't have choppy animation like in every anime, it'll probably do alright in the West.
>normies starting to like anime
in which worldline?
But I don't want anime to get popular in the , I'm happy with the current view of the medium
For what its worth, Space Dandy was top 3 trending on Twitter in America when it aired on Saturday.
I wish romance movies were like A town where we rage, I would feel less shit taking a girl out to the theaters
i liked it. it explored the themes of isolation and loneliness in a future utopian society.
He haven't said that, why are you such a fag? There is good movies and anime, the quality don't depend of the media.
I don't get it.
Yeah, but it's a massive flop in japan, ranked 2000 for now in lolstalker
I like both Maken-Ki and her, what does that make me?
/tv/ si raiding us again
You'd never get a second date if you took a girl to melodramatic shit like that.
I can't watch hollywood films anymore. I knew product placement was there 10 years ago but I swear it's gotten worse. For pretty damn long scenes they focus on the MC's VAIO or the brand of tampons they're using. Pisses me off.
I can't take them seriously. I start cringing at any 3D romance no matter how good written it is, meanwhile I can watch and like shitty written anime anytime in the year.
Guy fucks his robot in the future where normies act weirded out. Robot grows sentient although still acts submissive
Guy fucks his cellphone in the future where normies act weirded out. Robot grows sentient and breaks up with him
space dandy could have done this if they went for a more serious show rather than comedy.>>100728866 it already has god-tier animation
A gentleman and a scholar.
>Anime will never be taken seriously
Will it win /a/?
>Robot grows sentient and breaks up with him
I think you mean "sentient robot joins the singularity"
No, and we'll be happy for it.
>Anime will never be taken seriously
Is this supposed to be a bad thing mate?
Lars and the Real Girl was better.
Shitty taste. Don't worry, it's common among anime fans.
I'd rather anime stay out of the west altogether.
Hell I'd rather it stay as far away from the mainstream spotlight as possible, it's fine where it is.
no. it lost the moment miyazaki announced that he would unretire.
Frozen will win because muh shekels.
Wolf of Wall Street
Her was fucking terrible, which was absolutely dreary in shoehorning drama and cringe-worthy sexual humor.
The only thing that's got it good is the technology and the feel of "distance" in an urban city.
Marebito was basically Chobits as a horror movie with a Lovecraftian twist
Frozen will win.
They were just as good. Lars was a more cute and kitschy movie that had less social commentary.
Even if it does, nobody cares
Animated Film is a joke category, like Best Female Actress
When anime producers start taking it seriously.
despicable me 2 will win despite it being shit
>Whole story given away on the poster
Why should I even bother watching it?
One Mushishi doesn't make anime good. It's really baffling. 27 shows and not a single one at least slightly mature. And apparently anime is for adults.
It was basically just an average romance movie with an extremely well thought out setting. Hundreds of movies deal with the themes of isolation or loneliness many, many times better than her does. It only became as popular and well received as it is because it took a generic formula and gave it a modern/near future spin. It really wasn't anything special, and it the first hour was unbearable.
I still haven't seen it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ending was the typical: "They couldn't be together, but she helped heal his wounds and then he went back to living a normal life" like any of these kinds of movies.
>Comparing that shitty movie to any anime
Even really bad anime would be better than Her, that movie was utter shit
>And apparently anime is for adults.
Says who? Weebs?
That's not a lot. Fro mwhat i remember last year there is golden time, noucome, yahari, samurai flamenco first arc if it counts, minami ke and AKB0048
If this was average then anime romances must be bottom of the barrel shit.
But in Choobits they were together
In Her, She was just a fucking Monitor
This. Holy mother of fuck that forced "humor" in Her was dreadful. I have seen jokes more tasteful than those in the last episode of fucking SYD.
They pretty much are.
The samefag in this thread is strong.
It's pretty much softcore porn, or self-insert pedophilic fetish fantasy (slice-of-life for short)
No kid would enjoy them, other than a few like One Piece or Precure
If Redline was exactly the same as it is now, but made by Americans, Redline would have won in 2007 no contest. Fucking Ratatouille. Fucking 'merica.
Only Joaquin saved me the trouble by distracting it with his wonderful performance.
Everything else? I practically wanted to kill myself.
Why you guys even care for awards and recognizition?
Aren't you the same guys that get angry with any attempt to get out of the moe formula? Don't you rank animes according to your waifus?
They are. But so was Her. Did you perhaps think otherwise?
Otaku. Anime is airing really late at night.
Too many good films and every one better than any anime from 2013.
At least in Her, she had a personality and opinions
End of Evangelion already reached it
Monster is being adapted for HBO
>Doesnt agree with me
>MUST BE SAME FAG
you are a goddamn idiot, people can have same opinion
Its official, hipstershits have now invaded anime.
Yes. Her was much better than any romance anime. It's sad that you don't see this.
>All anime is erotic
>All slice-of-life is about middle schoolers or lower with sexual undertones
You should probably watch more shows.
Did you mean to write "faggots"?
HU... I prefer left.
For the people in this thread calling Her shit, have you had a relationship as an adult? Especially a long-term one that ended poorly? Getting coffee for a month with a girl in highscool oesn't count.
>rlm makes review
>/tv/ swarms to post said movie on all boards
As someone who has probably watched far more film than you, it is.
The last anime I felt it had decent enough writing was Hyouka
The last anime with interesting animation was episode 4 of Kill la Kill
The last anime with good direction? Shit, that's tough, Penguindrum maybe?
Chii did have a rudimentary personality. As for emotions, she went overboard when she expressed them.
I bet this faggot never seen kaiba, shows how infested the board is with newfags.
>have you had a relationship as an adult?
Get out /tv/
This is fact, I browsed /tv/ MONTHS before Her came out.
They were treating it as another awkward romance movie with Sci-Fi mixed into it.
Now everyone praises it.
Tatami Galaxy is much better than Her. Her was a pretty shitty romance movie.
They don't need closet Otaku money, when they have glorious murrican ad dollars. Probably
>End of Evangelion
>better than the original series
Yeah, and there is also Keeanu Reeves Cowboy Bebop, right after Cameron's Battle Angel Alita
>anime is softcore porn
Yes, if you watch sol, harems, yuri and cute doing cute things kind of stuff that will rely on fanservice to sell.
But not all anime is like that. For example shonen and shoujo in general(although there are exceptions)?
Gee I wonder what happened in between.
It came out!
Last anime with good writing, Uchouten Kazoku.
Last anime with good animation, Space Dandy.
Last anime with good direction, Aku
Wizards baristas has better animation.
>not all anime is like that
I can't think of five shows from the entire year that weren't ecchi comedies or slice of life
>All slice-of-life is about middle schoolers or lower with sexual undertones
Almost all slice of life (minus shit like Kino no Tami or Haibane Renmei, literally less than 1 percent) are based around wishing to have the innocent life of a highschool girl, with no responsibilities, stress and the impurity of the real world. That comes very close to pedophilia
I wonder as well.
After watching everything new from this season I can only say that anime is really juvenile. I haven't seen Her, but I really doubt it's as bad as romance/harem anime.
The amount of stupid shit and obvious, unsubtle pandering is mind-boggling.
I still managed to find few watchable shows. I enjoyed:
Hoozuki no Reitetsu
Inari Konkon Koi Iroha
They aren't very deep, nor emotional, but certainly fun to watch. Still 90% of anime is about teenagers.
>Last anime with good direction, Aku
But that reverse rape scene was hot, I gotta admit. All that lovely blood trailing down her legs.
I said ad dollars. In japan you need to pay to get on a network. In other places, the Networks pay to get a show on the timeslot. It doesn't matter whether the show sells a dvd or bd, because it matters how many people watch the ads that happen during breaks.
I'm exclusively /a/, thank you, but my point stands. If you don't have experience with that kind of thing it makes it hard to get everything a movie like that has to offer.
I like Satoshi Kon as a director more than Bresson, Melville, Godard, or Bunuel. How's that make you feel, /tv/?
>wanting anime to be taken seriously
>wanting anime to be something that is considered normal
>wanting people in the west to be more interested in anime
Get the fuck away from this niche hobby. Anime going mainstream would be terrible and you know it.
Oh wait, you were just trolling
You faggots liked Her only because you can see yourselves in his place.
A moron who dates with an AI beucase he is too retarded to have a decent relation ship
Watch episode 7 again and try to tell me it didn't have good direction.
>cartoons are for kids
Nice observation there captain obvious.
>Wanting a carefree life is being a pedophile
>Still 90% of anime is about teenagers.
If you don't understand why this is then you should probably stop watching anime altogether
So you didn't watch any of them?
>not good animation
So are you.
This so much.
I cannot wait for the day KLK and Space Dandy is over so the board will be flushed out with the huge infux of faggots who wants anime to start being mainstream and 2deep4u
That was a great art anime, but the romance was just a background element until the end. Tatami Galaxy is much closer to Amelie than Her as far as movies go.
There really aren't many anime series that involve mature romances so I'm not sure what to compare Her to.
KLK and Space Dandy aren't very good.
Not that I condone choppy animation, but I really don't think it matters THAT much if you want to make something popular.
Seriously though, I hope a certain someone will die next chapter or something. Worst girl ever, I don't know why he went looking for her.
Kemonozume is better than Her too, and that is straight romance.
Kaiba was too.
Is everyone in this thread oblivious to the fact that 90% of anime is either targeted at kids, teenagers, or adults who wish they were teenagers? That's objective fact, not opinion. Anime can be good but you have to realize most of the stuff /a/ talks about is 3am otaku merchandising fodder.
Kill la Kill is the closest we've had to ecchi action comedies of the 90s
Searching for validation from the masses only shows how small you really are.
The fact this thread has replies proves how shitty /a/ has become.
Sadly it seems to be true. Pretty shitty industry.
Same thing happened to videogames. I blame Americans.
>KLK or Space Dandy
Having 2deep4u anime is fine, and KLK would get shit on in the west anyway, it wouldn't have real traction.
Sure its popular among casual western anime watchers but if it was actually mainstream people wouldn't bat an eyelid at it other than to decry it for being overly sexual and juvenile.
KLK is actually a very good example of an anime that normies would watch and say "Wow this shit hasn't changed at all good thing I don't watch this crap"
>. If you don't have experience with that kind of thing it makes it hard to get everything a movie like that has to offer.
What I've "experienced" is stale romances accompanied by one-dimensional characters who throw unfunny jokes and live a typical spouse life + the feeling of distance.
It was like America remade 5 Centimeters per second but with an A.I.
>all that trash
Just like 90% of film is crap.
I'm talking about "Her".
Kaiba had minimal romance
Sex was used more as a social commentary, rather than the expression of their emotions
Ghibli had some great romance movies, like Umi ga kikoeru, but they are almost all drama-free, just celebrating youthful love
Anime doesn't like representing real life conflicts, especially in relationships, that's why they always go for the abstract
Saying something is better than any romance anime sounds more patronizing than complimentary.
If you really believe that anime is even close to film then you have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
Hollywood will is too busy perpetuating multiculturalism for the jew
>but you have to realize most of the stuff /a/ talks about is 3am otaku merchandising fodder.
/a/ talks about literally every single sort of anime out there.
If you don't understand why most anime is centered around teenagers or teenage life then seriously, get the fuck out.
Normies have already embraced Attack on Titan though.
Did you also know that 50% of all /a/nons are openly gay, while 60% more are closet gay?
And 100% of asspulled percentages are annoying as fuck, resulting in an average of 200% chance of you sucking cocks.
You probably just watch more anime than good films and the latter feel fresher to you.
Prove to me you actually know film before you act like that. Name your favorite directors.
If you really believe that film is even close to anime then you have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
Good videogames still exist
Good anime is extremely rare, most we get are the equivalent of oscar bait. Slice of life and violence-free action shows are trend. You don't see even nipples other than the blu-ray release of an ecchi show, and characters getting killed off just result in ridicule.
Normalfags are mostly dumb plebs. No one cares about them. Do you think normalfags like Her? They prefer Hobbit or similar shit.
Are we only talking Hollywood blockbusters here?
If we are accounting for non-Hollywood murrican, French, and other western films than anime AND manga are blown right out of the water.
The film industry is far worse in that respect, too scared to go into the R rating and it does affect the kind of content you can put out.
Anime films are better, at least as far as self realization, deep concepts, and romance are concerned. Whenever a character from a movie has a realization moment or has a romantic moment, it feels so fake now a days, and the drama is usually really shallow.
As far as action is concerned, Hollywood wins. I'd rather watch Rush hour and TFTF than any racing anime ever, but really that's it, action, fighting, and sports movies.
If you're going to say >deep, please provide an example of what you think is deep.
If I say shit like Kubrick, you'll tell me I'm a hipster
If I choose modern directors, you'll call me a double hipster
A lot of you in here seem like kids insecure of liking things.
You're all so caught up in semantics.
Jesus christ, grow up.
I'm not saying their good, I'm saying that we have been getting a shitload of crossboarders from these two shows, and come and bitch about /a/ why is most anime all pandering shit without devoting themselves to know why its that way in the first place.
Ever since KLK aired, I seen a shitload of these threads pop up, and its happening more frequently.
I'm talking about mainstream like on the internet, its talked about in almost every circle.
Its not that I hate 2deep4u anime, I just hate all the faggots that bitch and moans why all anime isn't 2deep4u and says its pandering shit, without even caring about the media except a few shows. Like how the feminists are invading video games.
Oh right, forgot Kemonozume. Its great and the romance was decent but pretty far into the action/fantasy genre. Have'nt seen enough of Kaiba yet to comment.
What I'm talking about are stories where the romantic relationship is the main plot. In /a/-media these are usually seinen or josei manga that don't get anime adaptations. Recent anime along those lines would be the Otona Joshi OVAs but those had a kind of housewife soap vibe that I didn't enjoy as much as I could have.
>I blame Americans
Easier than introspection or looking at change in tends objectively
No, I was hoping more for something in the vein of Tarkovsky. Saying Kubrick doesnt prove you know what you are talking about when it comes to film.
The Fall was greater visual achievement than any anime ever made, discuss.
Why should anime be taken seriously?
Any normals who have actually sat down and watched AoT will get tired of the novelty not long after they watch other anime.
Not that SnK is particularly different from other anime/manga but atleast to normals they see it and think "Wow, look how much anime has changed! It isn't about robots and magic schoolgirls and tentacles anymore!" and then go to watch other shows and will give up very quickly.
The reality of course is that SnK is pretty par the course if not below the average at times.
Then don't watch it faggot, go find another medium to rot in.
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>I blame Americans
It's all foreigners fault Hollywood has gone too shit.
Not only there. People are complaining about violence and sex everywhere in movies, and it moved beyond parents and now and the "enlightened" progressive young people are all over it
Please, this is not a contest. Who should I name? People like Kubrick, Hitchcock or Ford are too popular. People like Bunuel, Teshigahara or Vigo too hipsterish.
You will say that I'm either a pleb or that I wear a fedora. I know 4chan.
>If I say shit like Kubrick, you'll tell me I'm a hipster
Literally one of the most mainstream "Favorite Directors" anyone could ever say other than maybe Tarantino and you think thats hipster?
>Anime films are better, at least as far as self realization, deep concepts, and romance are concerned.
What kind of western films do you watch?
Animation has ton of potential. It's like film, but completely unlimited by the constraints of reality. You can have the perfect camera angles, grandiose scenes, symbolism and other effects unlimited - with fraction of the cost of actually trying to recreate it in real life. Total control of the visuals of the film
Europe wastes it on "feels" shit and social commentary with less than one title worth mentioning per year, America only does CG cartoons at this point and Japan... well, it's Japan
Of course, if you watch teen comedy it's something else, but generally, if you watch a drama or romance, even a romantic comedy, there will be a lot more of those things mentioned there that you would get in an anime.
Watching the Fall when I high was probably one of the greatest viewing experiences I've ever had.
Pain & Gain and Bad grandpa
This is foolish and naive view.
>but completely unlimited by the constraints of reality
Except, you know, budget.
Just wanted to you to prove you actually know what your talking about before you put one medium on such a high pedestal.
It had great imagery, but lack of substance to connect them
>I browsed /tv/ MONTHS
Why would you do that? Are you some kind of faggot?
There's a difference of wanting anime to be serious and having it serious by not looking like it. Infact, you are confusing it with being "mature".
Any kind of anime can be serious when it comes to presenting their specific genre.
Remember serious does not equal mature.
Most anime is centered around teenage life because the target demographic is teenagers or adults who never matured. Or in some cases to be family friendly but that's a minority.
Reminds me of that Precure viewership chart that showed girls 6-12 and men 18-26 or something.
Take a sample of all the recent anime /a/ discusses, and the majority is the stuff they push in late-night timeslots to sell figures or manga to otaku.
It has a ton of unlimited potential because it doesn't need to be taken seriously.
Film is respected because they abuse that constraint to still bring out the best quality shots
It takes effort
>Animation has ton of potential. It's like film, but completely unlimited by the constraints of reality.
That why animation is less impressive than other mediums.
When you can convey a great story under the limitations of reality you deserve much more recognition.
It can be great if you give a damn
Retard. Don't parrot what /a/ tells you and actually watch the shows, you goddamn autist.
I've actually watched the trailer for "Her" and it made me sad.
And hand drawn animation doesn't?
The absolute greatest thing to watch high is the recent Dredd movie. This is indisputable.
That's unrealistic. No jap has a dick that big
> but the romance was just a background element until the end
I'll admit I don't really watch much other than what's popular. I usually stick to the older stuff after that stupid wall flower movie. Recently I watched Attack of the Puppet People and BIG. Not bad movies but no where near as good as 5cm/s or Colorful imo. Would you know any good dramas/romances?
Why does /a/ hate drama?
Good movies also pander to a niche audience
>After watching 20 or so shows, I've decided anime is crap and 90% of it is about teenagers.
Do you realize how dumb you sound?
AI is a slut who 'loves' hundreds of people at the same time. would rather hang out with other AIs than you. Childhood friend wins then the relationship ends because FUCK YOU DRAMA LEL. Marriage of other human love interest ends because of a fight. Ending is pretty much: I must go, my planet needs me as all the AI fuck off into some sort of cyberspace Undying Lands.
I'll take my non pretentious, uplifting, comic, fanservicey harems please.
>animation doesn't take effort
And keep in mind CG (which is technically animation) is used extensively in most western film productions for all the 'impossible' things they can't do normally, so there isn't much constraint.
>Why does /a/ hate pointless or bad executed drama?
The only reason film has so much more talent than anime is that it has been around far longer and exists worldwide instead of in a single country....
I don't give a fuck. I just want anime to be less derivative.
>some shitty magic/technology straight out of fanfiction
>more high schoolers
Enough is enough. Jesus Christ. Why TWO SHOWS about Oda Nobunaga are about some stupid shit like mecha or fighting with monsters? Where is my anime version of Ran? Japanese culture and history is so rich, but we get the same shit over and over again.
Have you seen Junk Head? It's a short animation made by one guy. It's like Blame, great stuff. Why can't anime be like this?
Most furry anime since Okami Kodomo
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
There Will Be Blood
The Assassination of Jesse James by The Coward Robert Ford
City Of God
How fucking new are you? Did you just start watching anime and posting on /a/ this month?
>I never been in a LOGH thread
But /a/ loves that. just look at how many Titan and Madoka threads we had
Same reason we love SoL so much
Because Japan is awful at it
But I love Evangelion.
>You will never be NTR'd by hundreds of ultra-advanced superintelligences simultaneously every second of every day
>Best Female Actress
>Best Male Actress
Her was literal dogshit. I managed 40 minutes before I just had to turn it off in disgust.
I managed to sit through both Walter Mitty and Wolf on Wall Street, so I feel like my tolerance for shitty movies is pretty high. But Her was just total vapid and dull.
Your point is? Mine is why try to change something that caters to a niche rather than find something that caters to that niche you want.
Punch Drunk Love
The only people you see complaining about tits are Americans and Brits.
I'm definitely in agreement with you there.
Every season I pretty much avoid any of those types of shows at this point, save for a a select few mecha shows here and there.
>xxxx was just an ordinary high school/middle school/whatever school boy/girl until one day ....
Red fucking flag right there.
>When you can convey a great story under the limitations of reality you deserve much more recognition.
So movies are a better, more impressive medium than literature?
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
No, I'm realistic. Chasing after the girl was one of his main motivations but they didn't have a romantic relationship.
In anime romance means a guy trying to get a girl's attention for 12 episodes. In the real world is means dating them. Very little anime has a plot centered around developed relationships because mature adults in Japan don't watch a ton of anime. They do read manga and that's why there's so much stuff published for 20somethings that doesn't get adapted.
Yes, I'm pretty new. I watched maybe 80 series and now I'm watching everything from this season.
>Wolf of Wall Steet
Yes, easier to blame nations rather than ideas or specific people. What is this, do we still live in the Cold War?
>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
My nigga. One of the best romance stories ever.
I know /a/ likes to throw around the terms "literal" and "objective" a lot, but you literally have some of the most objectively shit taste ever.
You probably wouldn't know a good film if it sat in your lap and shat all over it.
To be fair Seven Samurai is referenced far too often.
With the SJW movement going as it is, you better expect this to be inevitable.
>What is this, do we still live in the Cold War?
Yuropeans still do it seems.
They seem to like jumping down American throats any chance they get to prove how superior they are.
Why can't all anime be like mature philosophical art films? It's the only medium where 90% of it is the same shit over and over.
>waaah waaaaah anime doesn't cater to my needs
There are plenty of other boards at the top of your screen to find something you enjoy.
It was Goodfellas 2, with all the stuff that made Goodfellas great removed. Had it been totally standalone, it'd be average. As it's a total rip-off, it's schlock.
Not him. But yes, yes it is in the modern world.
Literature is almost dead. The time of automatically thinking books have more artistic weight than other mediums is over.
But you're doing it right now.
Holy shit fuck Her.That movie was total shit.
It's sense of humor was stupid and full of unnecessary swearing, and it had tons of fake sex scenes with loud moaning and shit. The story was really dumb and the AI people just left or whatever at the end.
Also, if ultra intelligent AIs were commercially available, why did Theodore have to write letters for people instead of having an AI do it? I mean, fuck, his AI corrected some of his letters in the movie.
Overall, the premise made no sense and the entire movie didn't even have a point. Even if you thought you'd like it, don't watch it.
>There are plenty of other boards at the top of your screen to find something you enjoy.
Or he could be an anime fan who isn't a manchild and wishes there were more anime like Tokyo Godfathers out there.
>In anime romance means a guy trying to get a girl's attention for 12 episodes.
More like 12 episodes of shitty lewd jokes, no resolution and worst girl "winning" in the next season. I still don't get this whole thing. Winning what? An incredibly bland and uninteresting boyfriend? Who the fuck even watches harems? This shit is like AIDS of anime world.
I live in the shittiest part of Yuropistan, they stil lact the same way. "Baaw why can't anime be as deep and intellectual as Madoka and Attack on Titan?" "Baaaw tits and violence, this Kill la Kill is shit, I'd rather rewatch Haruhi for the 73th time, thank you very much"
Define 'good anime' /a/.
Doesn't good just mean you enjoyed it? What defines what is good?
I don't want to live in this world anymore.
>But yes, yes it is in the modern world.
I don't mean in the modern world. I mean ever.
Apples sucks I wish they were as good as oranges.
Turnabout is fair play.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, I forgot. It's just yuropean "banter" or something. I always confuse their sense of humor for bitching and crying.
>tons of fake sex scenes with loud moaning
>Complaining about cartoons being cartoons
This is the average user on /a/ now folks
Mature stories and serious subjects for intelligent philosophical mature serious people like me. I want true Art made for true Art connoisseurs, not pulpy schlock made for nerds.
>Doesn't good just mean you enjoyed it?
The true plebs have arrived. Abandon thread.
For me, interesting and creative visuals, and good direction
A story that grabs my attention and keeps me guessing is a plus
Then he should understand there are lot of genres and they don't all suit his needs and how different parts of anime target different audiences.
>>Complaining about cartoons being cartoons
No, I'm pretty sure that's not what they're complaining about you turd.
>wishing to have the innocent life of a highschool girl, with no responsibilities, stress and the impurity of the real world.
>That comes very close to pedophilia
What the fuck
the industry is shit, is really money driven, and YES, I know hollywood is like that, the difference I think is hollywood studios are more willing to INVEST big money on fresh stuff.
Anime studios just have the same trope over and over with pandering shit expecting the otakus to buy BD.
Also, is a small market so you cannot take that many risks
Harsh, anon. Please control yourself.
Look around you!
You didn't save a goddamn thing!
A bit late for that, and at least answer my question instead of shitposting. Tell me why I'm wrong and a pleb instead of being a faggot.
It's not a buzzword when most anime are obvious juvenile fantasies. They aren't about real world or even adults. They are about teenagers fighting with super powers, teenagers with their harems or similar crap.
>wishing to have the innocent life of a highschool girl, with no responsibilities, stress and the impurity of the real world.
>That comes very close to pedophilia
Just like lots of tv shows over here, huh? Oh, but that's different.
Then yeah, nothing has topped literature yet. But it has been around for a lot longer, though.
It's funny, plays and musicals have been around longer than most other mediums too, but they are completely irrelevant now. They don't even have board dedicated to them.
Its sure looks like it faggot.
Past 2 seasons my favs were:
Inside Llewyn Davis
The Hobbit: The Shitstorm of Wyvern Arguments
The Worlds End
There's a few I haven't seen yet that are meant to be good like Blue Jasmine, Kill Your Darlings and apparently Captain Philips.
And that's just what's good. there were tones that were still fun to watch just not great.
I use the same logic for movies and music. Worked for me so far.
I want /tv/ and /lit/ to leave.
And it's funny that /tv/ of all boards is complaining about pedophilia.
No, Yamakan, please, no. Go away.
That's bullshit, that's how it works. People consider stuff like 2001 and Stalker good because they enjoyed it too, just in a much more profound way.
>hollywood studios are more willing to INVEST big money on fresh stuff.
Wow no. They're more willing to invest big money on IPs they know will sell. That's why we've been stuck in the remake doldrums with a bad case of sequelitis.
we're starting to have college students now too, which I for one like. There aren't enough shows representing my current demographic.
>hollywood studios are more willing to INVEST big money on fresh stuff.
Hilarious anon. You do know hollywood rehashes it's own set of tropes again and again, but instead of pandering, they appeal to a low denominator. Good stuff comes out once in a while and rises to the top and we forget about all the shit, like every medium
>They are about teenagers fighting with super powers, teenagers with their harems or similar crap.
Welcome to anime faggot, now get the fuck out
Maybe you should practice up on your reading comprehension.
>literature is almost dead
and this is when you proved just how full of shit you are
>Then yeah, nothing has topped literature yet.
My point was that the original poster said "When you can convey a great story under the limitations of reality you deserve much more recognition.".
Literature has no such restriction, you can create any kind of story and world you want. So therefore, all written stories don't deserve as much recognition as any film does.
Satoshi Kon stuff, Eve no Jikan, LOGH, etc are cartoons and I like them. Maken-Ki, K-On, IS are cartoons and I think they're shit.
Yes, no pedos watch those Disney shows with underdressed 15 year olds, posting 150 pictures of their feet on /tv/, no sir
I'd think that would have more to do with the much greater risk studios have to take when they don't do something that's tried and true. And of course the production committees that just want to milk the otakus for their en above all else.
So why are you on /a/ at all?
You sure told me "turd"
You're a pleb because you think just because you liked something it is automatically good. That's called having shallow tastes.
I really enjoyed watching Fast Five in theaters. That doesn't mean I don't think it is anything more than a mediocre movie at the very best.
>Literature is almost dead.
I want you to tell me what the definition of "Literature" means
Give me a full definition.
Why can't anime fans take criticism?
Thanks, I'll be sure to check these out. Eternal Sunshine looks the most interesting.
No different than any other industry
If you don't like those kind of shows, then don't watch them, moron. Whining about it on /a/ won't change anything.
Furthermore, the 2deep4u normalfag stuff was always a minority in the medium so why the hell would you even insist on watching anime when you know that you won't like most of it?
plays and musicals are still everywhere.
>implying having a board on 4chan equates to popularity
4chans idea of popular is origami
They've always had college students in anime but it's a very underreprisented segment of the market and usually the character interactions are modeled more on high schoolers than real life.
I remember when anime was more than that. The reason I fell for anime over any other medium
I mean, did you see the tits on the German pilot? Like, holy shit
If people were picking apart the shit in tv, cartoons, or books, it'd be the same way.
Somebody had to put the retard in his place.
it wouldnt because nudity
Sorry, I didn't start watching anime with Lucky Star
In comparison to other medium? Yeah, it's almost dead.
One of the only things keeping it relevant it the fact people that work in other mediums are getting lazy and ripping off books.
Most college students still act like high schoolers.
Most college fiction in other mediums is also just like high school except with maybe more drinking and sex.
Most adult/work based fiction also has everyone still act like highschoolers, for romance and comedy.
And some of us didn't start with Lucky Star and Bebop.
>there are people in this thread who actually want Japan to consider western taste when creating shows
I hope you're ready for
Which makes sense. You can take the person out of the high school, but you can't take the high school out of the person
Frozen will win since it's the worst film there and the Academy has fucking deplorable taste when it comes to animation 90% of the time.
I really do feel like a weeb when I see The Wind Rises placed in the same category as The Croods and Despicable Me 2.
See, that's what I think too anon, but when you call an anime good, what do you actually mean in terms of it's qualities. Is there a checklist you put it against, or do you compare it to other works in the same genre and medium?
>Maken-Ki, K-On, IS are cartoons and I think they're shit.
Then don't watch them nigger, is this such a hard concept that all you normalfags fail to understand? If you don't like the majority of works in a medium, then watch other stuff instead of forcing your taste down the throats of others who enjoy it. No one's forcing you to watch anime.
Because they are manchildren
They come to /a/ to get away with from the real world where everyone calls them stupid and worthless. Here, they can rally up others to protect themselves from criticism. They want a hugbox.
Mentally healthy people with good taste can accept criticism, start a conversation and use it to enrich themselves
Well, this already sounds more interesting than most shows from this season.
I think he just means novels.
What was the last great novel that had any impact? The Kite Runner?
> Good stuff comes out once in a while and rises to the top and we forget about all the shit, like every medium
No, I mean, every year there's what... maybe 15-20 movies from hollywood that are memorable? I know 99% of the rest is shit.
but anime in compaction... how many universal amazing works or animation with great story telling are there? Maybe a few dozen in total?
>its fine where it is
>monster of the week
>something well animated but whacky
>something well animated and interesting
Comics, manga, magazines, textbooks, E-books, documents written PDF form, movie or scripts for a play, reading your statement or everyone else here, everything around you is fundamentally Literature. albeit, literature that you may not like but still.
It's a form of written expression in connection with ideas and universal interest.
You are probably confusing it with physical books.
>implying there is such thing as "Western taste"
>especially in a thread where people brought up films like "The Fall"
It's funny but people actually believe that above statement, and forget that there was a lot of shit produced 'back then' it's just forgotten. Also they don't realize the different market for an OVA and the like.
I remember that show, it was pretty fun
What about nonfiction, plenty of good stuff coming out from there. Especially the university presses.
But I'm a history major so I'm a bit biased.
Your criticism is useless, dumbfuck. Fortunately, Japan does not care about normalfags and no matter what they do, normalfags will not change anime as they completely shat upon videogames.
Well that sounds awful. and i'm not saying that because of homophobic reasons.
Money, resources... from which an important part is time.
A good movie can take you 2-3 years, hundreds of people involved and close to a 100-200 million.
What do you expect from anime how is it run?
You need a lot of people, good screenwriters, good direction, animation.
and anime industry except for a few exceptions don't have that
Most of the criticism anime gets here is in the form of "WHY ISN'T MORE ANIME LIKE COWBOY BEBOP MANLY COOL SHIT, what the fuck happened to anime! now it's all chinese moeshit for pedos and nerd weeb faggots! recommend me stuff!"
Honestly, this is like people saying Sentai media is silly and complaining about it, just what do you expect? Especially when they don't hold the same standards for other mediums.
Anime still has plenty of pros though, especially when you compare it to western animation in particular (which is actually mostly dead).
Are you arguing that the West isn't transphobic and accepts gays?
LGBT is a huge minority, and Western Europe and the bigger cities of the US are the only place where they don't get beat up for being sissy faggots? Come out your bunker once in a while, and realize tumbler isn't the entire world
Because most of them, didn't even watch the shit in 70s-90s.
>You are probably confusing it with physical books.
...yeah I am
Normalfags complaining about anime is the same as feminists complaining about sexism in video games. It clearly is not aimed for you, fuck off and stop watching anime if you don't like it.
>this terrible strawman
Oh, I am so afraid of someone pointing fingers, assuming they ever get their fingers off their phone first.
Tokyo Godfathers was never nominated. The category is a fucking joke.
I don't watch movies or TV at all anymore.
Could somebody please give me a quick TL;DR?
The threads were fun though, too bad it ended so soon
>15-20 movies from hollywood that are memorable
I'm sure it's less then that, but yeah you have a point, but you're forgetting that a lot of anime are just advertisments for other things of all kinds. It's a different kind of medium. Also anime follows different tropes and genres, so it's difficult to compare.
There are different tropes and genres in all media. Sorta why "tropes" are a thing too.
TV is better than ever, and even Hollywood puts out a dozen good titles every year
You are missing out
Did it even get a theatrical release in the States?
Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, dipshit.
are you stupid
it's just a flashlight-device simulating a vagina
The same reason all nerds can't take criticism on anything they like or why all jocks can't take criticism on the sports they play/watch. Do you know how many fights happen over different opinions in basket/football teams?
People with /v/ reactionfaces telling me to get out?
Oh boy o-boy
Why is she so small?
Is he a pedo?
I frankly prefer anime to not be taken seriously.
See what happened with games. Now, game creators have to check their privilege and be all-PC, reducing breast size of female characters, making bullshit "social commentary", etc
The day you can't make something like Strike Witches is the day anime died.
Harem must be the most derivative, pitiful genre ever created by mankind. This shit is worse than slashers.
This fucking season alone there are like 5-6 harems/romcoms.
- Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha (but I enjoy this one)
- Magical Warfare
- Mikakunin de Shinkoukei (they even add fucking romance to my cute sol!)
- Sekai Seifuku is getting harem-ish
- Witch Craft Works
Holy fuck. And rest are pretty much still about teenagers.
>No, I mean, every year there's what... maybe 15-20 movies from hollywood that are memorable?
Much less than that, and even fewer when you exclude sequels, adaptions, and anything based on a historical event.
I didn't ask you to get out, perhaps you were misquoting me.
>TV is better than ever
If you're a middlebrow faggot. US TV peaked with The Wire and Deadwood.
There's nothing to take seriously, anime is good as a guilty pleasure.
Harem was good, when they were putting out
But now? It's just girls being jealous over the most boring guy and all we get is a swimsuit episode per season
>No, I mean, every year there's what... maybe 15-20 movies from hollywood that are memorable?
That is still just your opinion.
And Hollywood makes 7-800 or so movies a year. Only 150 or so anime at the very most is made a year.
I still consider that period "now"
>Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha
>Witch Craft Works
2/10 You could do better
Witch Craft Works is not a harem you imbecile.
Yeah what a turd
Only good harem is the one with salty drama
> /a/ talks about literally every single sort of anime out there.
Pandering or moe shows typically get much more attention than serious ones. Shows that lack depth (not that that's neccesarily bad). To this day there are still Madoka(while circlejerking over the girls and rarely discussing the content)Strike Witches, Hidamari, YuruYuri, DAL ,Saki and Idolmaster threads even outside of the seasons.
I don't see any Kaiba or Tatami Galaxy generals popping up at least twice a week here. I'd give you NGE, but that's about it.
Get a load of this faggot.
True Detective is practically the only thing interesting so far.
>There will never be another show like Twin Peaks
>There will never be another show like Buffy
but strike witches is just terrible. Watch hentai instead
It's the lifeblood of the industry and is the easiest sell. This is common knowledge and nothing new. Also a lot of your shit aren't even harem. Please go.
Also don't tie 'romcoms' into harem
Harems/romcoms, you dolt.
Hentai doesn't know how to draw puffy vulvas. Hentai doesn't have well animated lesbian lolis
The Wire Ended in 2008 and Deadwood "ended" in 2006. That's like half a decade ago.
>Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha
>Mikakunin de Shinkoukei
But True Detective is a lot like Twin Peaks in general atmosphere and it looks like supernatural elements are going to show up soon.
>but strike witches is just terrible. Watch hentai instead
Fuck off, faggot
Why shouldn't I? Harems are just a subgenre of romcoms. And highschool romcoms are like the most popular genre nowadays.
Hidamari got a release recently, DAL is getting a S2, Saki has a airing season.
Talking about girl in animu is a easy topic, and waifu wars will never die.
The Wire was shit
Just because a show has a lot of grills, It doesn't imply it's a harem
I sure fucking love kuudere
Especially when they aren't subtle in the least, and just give her short purple-blue hair
Damn, I have been watching animes for 20 years now, and it's still not getting old!
>Harems are just a subgenre of romcoms
Yeah so why would complain about there being a lot of romcoms? It's like complaing there are lot of action movies released in a year. Complaing about harem is fine even if it's been done to death.
> Hidamari got a release recently, DAL is getting a S2, Saki has a airing season.
I know, but those generals were around before this season and would pop up frequently.
You're forgetting that any show with girls in them is 'moeshit' or just shit
The only good pieces of fiction are serious philosophical works. This applies to all mediums.
Well thought out argument, as expected from a faggot such as yourself.
Reported for racism
Then girls anon, that explains it. Also Saki has fuck loads of ongoing shit and I guess they discuss it. Hidamari threads are like if /c/ would have a discussion
But most philosophical anime have a ton of girls.
Like Furi Kuri
Complaining about harem/romcom shows is similar to complaining about Porsche doing Cayenne or Macan. Yes they are soccer mom tier SUV's but that's what sells and what keeps them making Turbo S or GT3 RS stuff.
I hate girls so much
Thank god anime like Free exist.
Maybe if fujoshi take over, we'll have serious anime with a male cast, or at the very least the return of shojo-ai ( the only genre where girls aren't annoying)