This story is exactly like Naruto's Genesis story of the Chakra Tree. Except this time it's a baby instead of a tree
no it's not. it's not even close.
The only thing that is similar is sucking life force away but everything ever has done that.
there's even a futurama episode of that.
we bible now
What's the difference?
>tfw you realize Bambietta died
At least she's one with god now
Clearly the solution is to make him touch Kumagawa.
Also, didn't Espada 9 have a similar power? Only in the dark though.
Actually this is more like Darksouls.
Espada 9, like other hollows, only had the absorbing part, and his little thing was to keep full power in addition of just adding the life power of the victims.
shit i just realized this is why hollows arent resurected if they are killed by quincies. kubo
I still bet if we thought hard enough, we'd remember a character that had a similar power in Bleach's long run.
>Ichigo's friends activated their spiritual powers by being around his crazy spiritual leakage (before the Hougyoku retcon)
>Ichigo has a piece of Yhwach in him
Kubo probably forgot about that, though.
If it is that though it'd mean that both the NotZangetsu and Zangetsu is Bach plot twists were planned all along. That or Kubo is the most skilled plotweaver in the history of manga.
I don't think Ichigo leaking worked that way. It's the hongokyu's doing. Hongokyu's seems to work by literally granting wish, and chaning the reality of people with enough willpower. Juha lends power and gets it back with benefits. Hollows have their own power but need other souls to fuel. And something tells me Spirit king is the source of zampakutou's power, the sword being a medium to it.
I think there could be interesting diagrams made to explain the whole power and source of power interaction. while the end result is always "beautiful flying men with weapons and fantastic power", the whole circuit behind wildldy differ. quicies are a hive, holows are individual, and shinigami probably something else.(my money is that he works like an energy source, and the souls plug to it through zampakutous)
Nah, it's just this.
>NotZangetsu and Zangetsu is Bach plot twists were planned all along.
Do you actually believe this?
NotZangetsu yes. That was far too consistently foreshadowed for years to not have been planned. The latter however could have been thrown in anytime though.
>Yhwach was originally a Hougyoku
how did this fag who can literally engrave powers rivalling bankai into people and claim ownership of someones SOUL just by touching them got his as handed to him by bunch of thugs high on reiatsu? he said it himself, yamamoto defeated his entire order with handful of butchers.
Because Yamamoto's zanpaktou is the counter to his power since Yamamoto absorbed all his subordinates instead of the power going to Yhwach.
>a million chapters in about a Quincy invasion
>still no Ryuuken
Damnit Kubo, step it up.
Yhwach's men probably didn't get as much power from him back then and Old Man Fire burnt down SS to get rid of him.
Their souls are absorbed.
oy vey are you retarded?
>young Yhwach best boy
>old Yhwach best man
True god here.
In that brief instance we got a glimpse of the Soul King, he looked like he had no distinguishing features, almost like a lifeless being. Wonder if Bach is a microcosm of the Soul King, and he was originally created by him for a purpose but chose free will instead.
>young Yhwach looks like Facebook
Kubo's sameface strikes back
Lookin pretty Ichigo sameface there
I still dont get this fucking arc. I really hate all the concepts that are brought to the table in this arc. This includes the so called fucker who forges the shinigami blades, the asshole who names the blade, and the suddenly not extinct quincies who can seal fucking bankais for no fucking reason.
Oh, and also the introduction of stupid power levels.
>just explained that Quincies use outside reiatsu instead of their own
>Hollows which never touch the Quincy's soul, let alone Guevara's soul, are absorbed
>Hollows slaughtered with outside reiatsu are absorbed by YFW
That makes this much sense.
At least we had a flashback with him and he will probably get involved when Isshin gets involved.
What don't you understand? If anything everything makes more sense in this arc.
It's scary that Kubo manages to regularly come up with nonsense like this to make sense of everything else.
>just explained that Quincies use outside reiatsu instead of their own
that's not how reihatsu works that's not what reihatsu even means. You are confusing basic terms there.
Basic, nearly identical terms with almost no functional difference.
One of my major theories is shot down.
>Yhwach transfers bodies.
Two minor ones are confirmed.
>Yhwach/YHWH is God
>Tensa is younger Yhwach
Also lends credit to my Hougyoku was based on Yhwach theory.
The Hougyoku only grants power that was originally within the reach of the holder, thus it can be said that it 'makes them complete'.
And a new one is born.
So Yhwach can grant powers, make a being wholesome and each of his soul fragments embody an aspect of him along with a power?
That sounds an awful lot like a certain other Quincy I know of.
It'll be interesting to see what happens if Ichigo's friends start dying off.
Because old man genocide genocided all life to stop juha bach.
>ten trillion skeletons
>Yhwach/YHWH is God
He isn't, reread that part. He was worshipped as if he was god, and he kept the name. But he's not god.
That's all that matters, if the man has the status of a God and all the power to accompany it then he is a God.
What if the God he is based on is the Soul King?
>One of my major theories is shot down.
>Yhwach transfers bodies.
He might still be plotting his first transfer, into Ishida.
At a minimum, he's planning to die and pass his will onto Ishida.
I don't think he's that powerful, after all, he was almost killed by Yamamoto once. And i would assume the Spirit king who is "god" would be stronger than Yamamoto.
But those are just semantics, i'm just saying he's not "the" god.
That'd be interesting and sounds plausible.
Its more like, Old Man Genocide had the same absorption power as Bach and he could absorb the killed quincies before Bach could.
Thats why Bach made sure to kill Yamamoto himself in the first attach by using a tool that neutralizes Yamas bankai. The rest of the invasion is just mopup and dont really mater. As no mater who wins the remaining fights Bach also wins.
That's idiotic. You're rejecting the explicit explanation of the manga to inject your own wishful thi-
>oh wait it's lon that's what he always does
business as usual
Not very likely, he might turn younger like Tensa once he unleashes his power.
This chapter might also explain why Yhwach was revived, since Quincy death toll is connected to Yhwach's current power.
He was the only one powerful enough to handle ZnK and easily crushed Kenpachi who should've been at least as strong as he was when he fought Nnoitra, if not even stronger since he removed his new eyepatch.
So, what happens if Juha Bach dies? Can he even be killed?
Why was Juha Bach affected by Aizen's time distortion if he never witnessed Aizen release his Zanpakuto in order to fall under hypnosis; furthermore, even if he did witness it, how would he fall under the illusion if Kyouka Suigetsu has ceased to exist and disintegrated entirely?
And you're completely ignoring the fact that Gods are an abstract thought and ideal in the first place.
Men becoming Gods is not completely unheard of in mythology.
But it was the "Yourself" who fought and defeated Zaraki!
>Not very likely, he might turn younger like Tensa once he unleashes his power.
Then why is Ishida his "successor"?
So his power is lending soul with interest, isn't it? He's a giant fucking jew.
>affected by Aizen's time distortion
he wasnt, aizen just steered conversation that way. it was simple talk..
>if Kyouka Suigetsu has ceased to exist and disintegrated entirely?
since when were you under the impression
Alternatively, Aizen did fuse with Kyoka Suigetsu and is bullshit overpowered now. Alternatively, Aizen is Aizen and Aizen does what Aizen wants. Power levels are insignificant against the power of keikkakus.
Jugram explained it, though there could be several other reasons.
>the nazis were the jews all along
KUBO FUCKING TITE
No, he explained the significance of Ishida becoming a Stern Ritter. However, there is something extra special about being "A". Ishida was announced to the rest of the Quincies as the successor, after all.
He dies and remains useless until enough fragments of his soul have returned.
And don't forget he is named YHVH. Can't go wrong with Kubo.
No, if he dies, he's dead. Either the remaining bits of his soul become independent or everyone with them all die too (I'm guessing not).
Or Ishida inherits their allegiance.
I get the feeling that Bach just want to finally die. In that case the Quincies might need a new king so that not every quincy ever follows bach in to the grave along with the parts of his soul that they contain. Thus he needs Ishida as Ishida is the only known Quincy other than Ichigo that is immune to Bachs soul drain technique. If ishida could propagate that power to the rest of the Quincies then Bach could die in peace.
Ishida never became a Sternritter, he was given Yhwach's letter, which probably stands for Almighty.
Ishida was named as a successor in order to lock him in a stalemate with all the other Sternritter and make it impossible for him to take action against Yhwach.
His intentions are clear as of this chapter, he wants revenge for the death of his mother.
Yhwach backstory implies that he's literally a jew.
Well, he also wants to win. But yeah, he hates battles and his life depends on them, so he probably wants to die after the war is over, and Ishida will be the next King who may get brainwashed by his "A" soul-bit. Or not, since it won't matter if they have totally won.
If one of the Royal Guard members knows the name of every single Zanpakuto, and presumably, the full extent of their abilities, then how did Aizen manage to lie about his Zanpakuto's abilities being water-based instead of illusion-based? Why was Gin the only one who knew how to stop Aizen's hypnosis? Why did Aizen never use his bankai? If bankai is a pre-requisite to becoming a Captain, how did he lie about his bankai in order to become a Captain?
Yhwach cannot die because if you inflict serious harm on him he will eventually restore himself with his fragments of soul.
God damn it, Harry Potter again.
So they said that in first battle Bach put his soul all over the place so that dying shinigami can power him up as well. Potential for asspull powerups?
He fused with his sword i think. Or some powers trickled over.
I wonder where Juha Bach stands when compared to Aizen and Ichigo when they were at full power.
I don't think he's as powerful as ray orgy aizen or dangai ichigo. Well, come to think of it. Of course he isn't, he was afraid of Ichigo and tried to destroy Soul Society while Ichigo was busy fucking about with Kirge in Hueco Mundo.
>implying the royal guard even interacted with anyone ever or gave a singular flying shit about anyone outside their group.
>then how did Aizen manage to lie about his Zanpakuto's abilities being water-based instead of illusion-based?
Maybe because nobody asked the royal guard and they didnt give a shit?
>Ishida never became a Sternritter, he was given Yhwach's letter, which probably stands for Almighty.
No, this chapter explains that Ishida was given a letter by the same process as the rest of the Stern Ritter. He's one of them. Only even more special since he has the trump letter.
>Ishida was named as a successor in order to lock him in a stalemate with all the other Sternritter and make it impossible for him to take action against Yhwach.
That was one reason, but the position of "successor" is sincere enough that Haschwaldt acknowledged it in this chapter despite holding the full authority of the King.
>His intentions are clear as of this chapter, he wants revenge for the death of his mother.
Obviously, but he's in too deep now.
The RG is not in constant communication with SS so they didn't even know he lied in the first place. Them even showing up at all is a HUGE deal.
>If one of the Royal Guard members knows the name of every single Zanpakuto,
>and presumably, the full extent of their abilities
No. Knowing the name != knowing the ability.
Also they didn't give a shit.
Because Bonze didn't bother to go down to Soul Society to tell them? Don't forget the Royal Guard don't give a single fuck about Soul Society, pompadour flat out said so.
Because Aizen told him after decades of gin earning his trust.
Because his Bankai must be his trump card, or it's shittier than his shikai, or he just didn't need it. His shikai was enough to stomp the gotei 13, and then he turned into a butterfly monster so he didn't even need his zanpaktou.
He could've just faked a bankai with Kyoka Suigetsu.
Well, that's kinda a plothole.
But that Royal Guard seems to barely interact with SS, the last contact before the Quincy invasion was probably Hikifune becoming a member, long before Aizen was made a captain.
Yama fucked over him pretty eaily and despite coming into conatact with him lived more than 1000 years afterwards
This proofs that there is a Limit to his power.
There's probably a limit to how much damage he can take before he can't be restored. The baby was never dead, after all. Just weak.
is there any space left for that one theory where Ishida joined the Quincy because he knew he still likely had Mayuri's spy bacteria inside him, and all the while is feeding information to the Shinigami Science Team just by being around the other high-rank quincy?
>then how did Aizen manage to lie about his Zanpakuto's abilities being water-based instead of illusion-based?
Zero Squad gives zero fucks about what goes on down there.
>Why was Gin the only one who knew how to stop Aizen's hypnosis?
Because he's the only one Aizen told.
>Why did Aizen never use his bankai?
Kubo saving it for later.
> If bankai is a pre-requisite to becoming a Captain, how did he lie about his bankai in order to become a Captain?
Used shikai to make a fake bankai.
It might actually be the same.
I believe Bonze has "true sight" - he can see true nature and name of things as they are.
then why did you even have that theory in the first place? if someone calling you a god is all it takes to make you one, that's kind of a pointless title isn't it
thats not a plot hole
That's a pretty nice theory, in fact it'd be stupid to think he'd seriously change sides and forget about the bacteria. Unless he performed some quincy purification ceremony or some bullshit like that on himself.
>implying aizen doesn't have a bankai when he was clearly a fuckload stronger then most captains and didn't give a singular flying fuck
>implying aizen would have kenpachis problem of being too retarded to know how to talk to his zanpakuto.
>Juha Bach is literally GOD
>Yamamoto fucked up Juha Bach so hard that he put him to sleep for ONE FUCKING THOUSAND YEARS
Shit man, Rape culture is no joke.
What? I'm not saying he doesn't have one, I'm saying he probably faked it for the exams because why the fuck would he demonstrate his real bankai?
I think he meant fake as in, use illusions to make a bullshit fake bankai to fool the other captains.
As shit nigga is time for that nigga baby god.
If you read the previous thread, we figured out why and how Yamamoto could beat ywach. Still, old man yama is/was fucking strong.
If Aizen spent over a century fooling Soul Society into believing he was at first an ordinary Lieutenant, before becoming an ordinary Captain, all while conducting hollow experiments with the Hogyoku, then how did he know what the Soul King was like? How did Aizen know that the Soul King is an "it" if the only way to access the Soul King's domain is by creating a Royal Key, which was Aizen's entire goal in the first place? Why did Aizen desire to get rid of the Soul King if he wasn't aware of what the Soul King even did, while Urahara was?
Consider this, Yama used Bankai against Yhwach and he still survived.
It is also explicitly stated in the Emperor's song that Yhwach had no heartbeat for 900 years.
Yamamoto's Bankai wasn't perfected then, since it was still visible as a coat of flames. And there's a big difference between *mostly* dead and *all* dead.
Well, other captains seem to be aware of what and how the soul king works. And Aizen had access to that mega library where he found the recipe of the royal key.
what if the hougyoku absorbs a part of yawach soul?
He must have learned of it before becoming a captain. And as >>100717073 said, apparently when you become a captain you learn of the "secrets" like how the kings key etc. works.
>i can't help but...
>pat myself in the back
That's not all it is.
Yhwach is named after Yaweh. Y H V H, the Abrahamic God in the bible and the old testament.
He has the power to control ALL souls as well, not just the ones of objects and the ones in the air. Truly a King of Souls.
I wouldn't be surprised if this ties in with the destruction of Soul Society 2000 years ago and the fact that God can be dethroned.
What if God was killed and following the cycle of souls he was reborn on Earth?
Well, this explains why Starrk was the Primera Espada, he had a very similar power to God, the ability to manipulate his own soul.
>we will never see royal guard in combat
I hate the trans but love the quality. Is there a scansite that has both?
i cant take any credit, some other anon posted it the moment ishida appeared in vandenreich
How can a blind nigger play chess?
GOD DAMN IT
At least the visuals are good. Toofsy really looks like "Are you a prophet?"-type Bach.
The same way he can use computers.
You now realize Tousen is on the black side
Yama was stronger than him, he didn't even go all out.
Yama did not go all out against him, it is even implied Yama pitied him back then.
That's an incorrect assumption.
Yama didn't use the other 3 because he deemed it unecessary, but he used Tenchi Kaijin.
It's very likely that the extent of his released power is related to the destruction it brings.
More techniques means more destruction, specially with West wrapping him in flames as hot as a dying sun.
you dont need bankai to become a captain, there are 3 ways to get in
1. Kill a captain infront of a bunch of witness'
2. Have a bankai and be nominated by 2 existing captains
3. I forget the third
How do you think kenpachi got in, he JUST learned his swords name a day or two ago
Aizen replaced Shinji Hirako, who was the former 5th Division Captain. Shinji was exiled with Urahara for becoming a hollow and Aizen was the primary candidate to fill the position becuase he was the 5th Division Lieutenant.
He cannot die because if you attack him, you touch him, and you take a part of his soul into yourself. So even if you completely destroy him and everyone else who has a part of his soul in them, down to the last iota of reiatsu/reshi/soul-dust, a part of him still remains inside you.
I think one of the reasons why he was so intent on killing Yamamoto is because old man yama would have been able to not only burn Yhwach's soul and all of it's fragments to cinders, but he would be ready and willing to completely destroy himself to finish the job.
Then you either have a super 4-way hybrid monster on your hands, or the hougyoku cancels out Yhwach's ability and keeps his soul.
>You sure, Gin? I ain't seeing anything.
well didn't Stark killed and absorbed hollows with his mere pressence, before he split up in two to not be so lonely?
Will Chad even appear this arc?
No, he was so strong that other hollows died just by being near him, as in, his spiritual pressure was so big and heavy it killed them. Everyone in bleach can do that(see: when you see shitty hollows dying in fake karakura town when the captains and espada are about to fight).
I'm sure Bach has absorbed the soul of someone who witnessed Aizen's Zanpakuto release. Maybe it's infectious.
that is still pretty impressive.
More importantly is that somebody like Unohana feared that it running for too Long would destroy their world.
So why are quincy allergic to hollows again? hello? anyone? Do hollows eat juha souls? what?
Yama is the Omega to Yawach's Alpha.
While it's obvious Kubo does this, i doubt he did that for the whole Ichigo/Zangetsu thing. That shit has too much foreshadowing.
>Kubo's sameface strikes back
or does it?
Hollows eat souls, period.
But he doesn't look like Facebook at all.
>blind death mute immobile babby VENUSAUR
WHAT IN THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE TWINS AND THE COPY NO JUTSU
THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT KUBO!!!
no seriously, the fuck happened to the twins.
I've bought US. Polo association shirt like the one Kubo wears.
I have no regrets.
So what is Juha Bach? He's not human... Is he? And he's not a shinigami since he's not dead... I think. He's not a hollow either, so what the fuck is he?
Just "first quincy" how does the first quincy happen? I mean, Shinigamis and Hollows seem self explanatory, they're just a natural part of the bleach universe, what the fuck is a quincy?
my fucking sides
touching the pieces to know their location and memorizing them
even Ray charles played chess
>I'm sure Bach has absorbed the soul of someone who witnessed Aizen's Zanpakuto release. Maybe it's infectious.
oh god... kubo... what have you done?
We can think of a thousand bullshit theories, I'm sure.
>The former Soul King exiled to the living world
>Freak soul mutation
The Keikaku hasn't stopped.
>So what is Juha Bach?
a mistake of self infliction by kubo
I liked that chapter.
Maybe needed a page to summarize the global situation at the end, though.
At first I felt underwhelmed, but shortly after all the implications of numerous Anon's theories and few of my own made it for me.
This chapter explained what Yhwach meant by "stepping stones" while referring to Ivan and Luder's deaths.
It also means that BG9 is a robot animated by inserting a piece of Yhwach's soul into it.
AND it explains a contradiction between Yamamoto's testimony that Yhwach never cared about his subordinates and Yhwach thanking Royd for his sacrifice and "tears" in Bach's eyes when seeing old comrades created Zanka no Tachi. 1000 years ago Yhwach sometimes could have been killing his own subordinates in order to survive while they were willingly offering themselves. Yamaji interpreted it in the more simple and wrong way.
In Kubo I shall always trust.
>Hollow Ichigo calls Ichigo your majesty
>Ichigo has a piece of Yhwach in him
>Yhwach is the king of the quincies, often called "your majesty"
the situation is forget what we told you before, forget the twins, he is god with a blond butt boy
>Bach is willing to destroy the soul balance and existence itself so that he can keep himself from becoming a vegetable
The man has his priorities.
Kubo is unstoppable.
>Yamaji interpreted it in the more simple and wrong way.
I believe that personality shift of Yhwach and Toofsy is crucial here.
I mean, compare them from this chapter and, say, when Yhwach fought Ichigo. They switched.
For once Mangastream's release clarifies things.
So is Jugram an extension of Yhwach, or just his closest living relative?
If Jugram is the king's substitute then why was Uryuu chosen as his successor?
What would happen if Yhwach were to transfer his entire soul?
Yhwach changing bodies might still be doable.
Ichigo is the only Quincy who was born with Yhwach's power.
It makes so much sense.
jugram is probably the other twin since it's now confirmed juha bach was someone else entirely.
All the Stern Ritter are "extensions" of Yhwach, because they all have the extra-special bits of his soul in them that can be transferred to still others.
Jugram is probably going to be the real authority if Ishida succeeds to the throne.
He's an extension of himself, like all the other quincy. Except he's more specialized and switches roles with juha.
Substitute is something completely different from Successor so i'm not sure what you're saying here, if Yhwach dies and Uryuu becomes the King, then Toofsy would become Uryuu's substitute.
At no point anywhere is it implied that he can transfer his entire soul.
Maybe the more serious the wounds, the more of his soul he can transfer. So if he was going to put his entire soul into somebody, he'd need them to be completely disabled, wounded to the brink of death, emotionally dead, and sapped of all their power.
Isn't he keeping that heavily wounded arrancar girl who lost all her closest friends and her reason for living just recently in a closet somewhere?
So just how bullshit strong is Yhwach going to be at the end of this war?
If Jugram is his closest descendant and the king in Yhwach's absence then why was he not named the successor.
I should've probably posted the page along with that post.
Chapters like this, specially the first pages, make me wish Kubo put an end to bleach already and move on to write for a seinen magazine.
This shit is too deep for the shonen target audience.
I would guess he isn't as strong as Zanka no Tachi Yama even at full power, unless he powered up since then. But, well, he's been dead since then so i doubt he had time to power up.
Somehow I had to laugh at the repeated use of the word "baby" in this kind of background story
>and "tears" in Bach's eyes when seeing old comrades created Zanka no Tachi
wasn't that the imposter twin?
>Juha Bach can't eat Ichigo because Ichigo would eat him from the inside out because of Aizen's hollow dickery.
but the thing about ryujin jakka beating yawach was not the destructive power, but the fact that it trapped the souls of those killed by it's flames, that's why yamamoto could win against yuha, literraly smshing his soul to bits.
someone mind refreshing my memory on the twins subject im drawing a blank
But he calls Ichigo your majesty and not the Yhwach avatar.
Both Zangetsu and the avatar acknowledge Ichigo as their ruler.
Yhwach has got the wrong Quincy.
Uryuu didn't survive because of the reasons he stated, Ichigo did.
Still weaker than Yama from the long past, when he still did go seriously at things.
That's a pretty cute strawberry.
He just absorbed ZnK and Yama. What ever gave you the impression that he's not as strong as either?
Well, he still had to be strong enough to break his fucking soul to begin with. If Juha Bach had been stronger than Yama, Yama wouldn't have been able to stomp him.
>Bleach will never be a slice of life manga about Isshin, Masaki and their kids
>You'll never see Isshin and Masaki gags
>You'll never see Uncle Aizen
because he is constantly splitting up his soul.
Input has to far exceed output.
How many beings has he touched?
Strawberry for world king
The man is over 1000 years old and the progenitor of an entire sub race that once ruled the world. How many do you think?
To be fair, he was dead for the last 1000 years.
>"Since when were you under the impression that this would not be your best birthday ever?"
>"That's our Aizen!"
>>Tensa is younger Yhwach
That was never a theory, that's a fact established ever since we were told that "Zangetsu" was Bach.
>a super 4-way hybrid monster on your hands
This war is going to end with Ichigo putting his hollow inside of Bach so that he dies.
He still fathered more children and their children than you ever will and has fought in enough wars to rule supreme.
Fun fact, Yaweh is said to have been a God of war worshiped by the Semetic tribes before he became the Abrahamic God.
Ichigo with more souls. How many times has the hougyoku been used?
"Uncle Aizen is the best! He always brings us whatever we want! Why can't you be more like Uncle Aizen!!!"
I just remembered,
Hes referring to the fake Bach that was only there to steal yamas banki those creepy copy twin guys
I should be studying for finals right now but instead I try to wrap my head around this. I'm failing either way.
>He still fathered more children and their children than you ever will and has fought in enough wars to rule supreme.
That came out fucking wrong.
>He still fathered more children than you ever will, their children had childres and he has fought in enough wars to rule supreme.*
HE WAS DEAD for 1000 years nigger.
He only just got enough soul fragments together to reform and "awaken"
his only source of power was literally the fight we just saw.
How many arrancars did he capture and "touch"
How many quincies did he "father"
How many things did he split up into.
>ywach is a fragment of the soul king himself
>soul king awakens for the first time in forever
>ywach and soul king are literally twins
>soul king spawned the shinigami
>ywach spawned the quincies
>ichigo is the "lynchpin"
>the melding of both worlds
>royal guard trying to buff up his shinigami powers cuz "muh side needs to win"
>vaizards were his "hollow" side buff
>incoming quincy buff for him soon and then ichigo becomes the new king of both worlds
Now Old Yama atacking Juha in the second invasion makes sense... Instead of killing each Quincy first..
can't find stark's flashback, but I'm pretty sure he absorbed/ate them and not just kill them, so he gew even stronger even if he didn't wanted to.
where did this idea come from, did I miss something?
Why do people always go this far with unfounded speculation?
Yes, Quincies are allergic to hollows. Juha Bach is a quincy. Put a hollow in him and he dies.
simpsons did it
Could Juha and the Soul King be related or something?
How do something as incredible as Juha come out of nothing? I would have though he came from somewhere/someone
What are the implications of this for the sudden quincy mass extinction?
The hell are you smoking? No, Starkk's spiritual pressure was so strong and dense that it was too much for normal hollows to bare, who died from exposure, which we've seen happened before. Starkk didn't absorb shit.
Because Kubo reads /a/.
No, it's more like Ichigo's existence is similar to that of Ywhach
The spirit king probably sneezed and juha bach was born.
That never happened, he just killed them because of his spiritual pressure.
Or more like "Moses!"
Yhwach will always start/continue wars to live longer
dante/hohenheim started/continued wars to make philosopher stones to live longer
but the soul balance now is probably bullshit, the shinigami needed to stop the quincies because the hollows souls were going to yuha.
At best he's a parasite with god-like powers.
Similar things in two different series? Say it ain't so.
>thinks its a coincidence the soul king and old man quincy dicks woke up around the same time
>thinks its coincidence the 1000 years ago the academy was founded and shinigamis finally grow powerful
>thinks its not likely that the soul king and back aren't connected
>both asleep and both respectively the creators of their "races"
>both have a domain "seireitei" and "shadowpalaceniggaaaaaa"
>thinks its not funky that all the bitches killed by aizen both "kings" suddenly wake up and start making moves
>muh war potentials
>muh royal guard training
>muh explanations about zanpaktou
>muh explanations about quincy origins
>muh explanations about ichigo being the super hybrid with powers from every group
>muh entire soul society was just a ploy by the soul king to prevent bach from farming hollow souls (aka human souls bitches) and soul society is basically a prison to prevent him from getting all the free power ups
>muh yin and yang soul balance
You're misinterpreting it. Quincies are destroying hollow souls because Quincies are allergic to hollows, so if Juha ate a hollow, he'd die, it'd be poison to him. In other word, Juha is fucking the balance and the world just so he can live forever.
He's more symbiotic than parasitic. He gives something in exchange for his power, after all.
Nah, they're murdering hollows so that they don't poison their glorious overlord.
and soul society is maintaining the balance to keep him from getting too powerful under the guise of "for the greater good"
TFW SOUL KING AND BACH ARE FUCKING TWINS AND THEY JUST HATE EACH OTHER.
>Ichigo is the first child to be born in the bleachverse with a HOLLOW/QUINCY/HUMAN/SHINIGAMI SOUL
>Ichigo is bach and soul king combing and hollow combined
>ichigo is life
>ichigo is love
Ichigo is known to be capable of granting powers in the cases of Chad and Inoue, but also unwillingly in Ginjo's case.
His soul is fragmented as well.
Orihime's power is not a Fullbring.
It's similar to a shinigami's power, but not quite the same.
Reminds Hachigen of his own power despite her not being a visored.
It is also divine in nature even though she's just a human.
Her power came as a result of a wish and it was awakened by Ichigo, she wanted to fight back and protect Tatsuki from the hollow and also heal her.
It is possible that Ichigo awakened her potential and 'made her whole' in that instant.
Imagine what would happen if Orihime died aside from the obvious fangirl cataclysm.
not that many.
So... Ichigo has Shinigami and Quincy royal blood in him and to top it of was lucky enough to get his hollow, which gives him the specific power to kill God.
Also are Quncies a form of fullbringer, I forgot.
I always assumed Orihime and Hachigen's powers were derived from the Negacion hollow power.
the quincy mass extinction either sped up juha bachs recovery or was done in order to negate him sucking up their power.
Probably bachs soul conflicts with the hollows's. Bach's soul wants to return it and the hollow wants to make it a hollow. As a result the soul commits suicide.
Most the arrancar are Houyoku creations and all the Espada with the exception of Ulquiorra were powered up by the Hougyoku.
>Also are Quncies a form of fullbringer, I forgot.
No, they're a form of Juha Bach. Juha made them with his soul powers. We don't know what Juha Bach is.
what's a YHVH
This is probably the Image with the most Impact against your claim.
Remember this method was developed by Kisuke who used it aswell.
Also it Shows that Kubo did not actually plan the current events out, look at it.
It is not Zangetsu that shows up but Yawach, despite the fact that it should have been Zangetsu.
Meaning at that time this guy was Zangetsu and not planned out to be someone else.
Guess you just missed the whole YHVH part, kid.
Negacion is just spatial manipulation and all hollows can do that to some degree.
Orihime's power is the rejection of events using freaky shields because she's too much of a pussy to get a sword like everyone else..
I think the hollows being "destroyed" was just a way to feed yuha souls during 1000 years so he would wake up again, as hollows are just collections of souls.
You forget that Yhwach was suppressing Zangetsu, hell look at what he says "one of these swords is Zangetsu".
Can't wait the respond of butthurt christians.
This would make an amazing spin-off. And who wouldn't love Uncle Aizen?
they ended up copying eachothers power to the point where there powers where identical.
who's to say they didn;t ultimately copy someone else for their own basis after while once they realised what they could do.
who's to say the shitty "twin" that was killed by kenpachi was actually not a twin but an original and the other twin was the one that copied juha and the other twin is still at large.
who's to say aizen didn't somehow do it since jugram can see through aizens tricks.
Who's to say anyone of the top three quincy are who they say they are.
Nah, he dramatically reduces the life of the person he gives his soul too. The gain in power is only attracts more people to him.
Wait, so the true purpose of those Bankai stealing to place his soul on the captains when they regain their bankai?
>implying christians read bleach
Not like this is news either, we've known his name for a while now.
>Mayuri having thousands of people killed to "fix the balance"
>actually returning the power of thousands of souls back to the soul king
>finale of bleach will be soul king vs bach, with Ichigo where power of KUROSAKI-KUN! wins the day
>This is probably the Image with the most Impact against your claim.
Each and every one of those swords represent an aspect of Ichigo.
>Remember this method was developed by Kisuke who used it aswell.
You misinterpreted my post, but it's alright since I willingly left it ambiguous.
>Also it Shows that Kubo did not actually plan the current events out, look at it.
Well duh, there's no way everything could've been planned from day one. That's not exactly a flaw.
>It is not Zangetsu that shows up but Yawach, despite the fact that it should have been Zangetsu.
Zangetsu was supressed and Yhwach explicitly states that he became the source of Ichigo's power, so by extension he became Zangetsu by being Ichigo's proxy to Zangetsu.
>Ichigo is known to be capable of granting powers in the cases of Chad and Inoue, but also unwillingly in Ginjo's case.
>His soul is fragmented as well.
Nah. I get Chad but why Inoue? Tatsuki was his best friend till the age of 12. And even after that he was way closer to her than to Inoue.
it seems so.
Royal Guard don't give a shit, their personal authority begins and ends with the Royal Realm, despite their influence on Soul society. Which is probably why Shunsui hates the shit out of them.
it's gonna be YYhakusho all over again. The big last stand starts, Ichigo opens a big breach by deffeating someone super powerful, but lose conciousness, and then everybody is around him at teh hospital, explaining how his attack oppened the way for eth kind to defeat juha, and everybody congratulate Rukia for her beautiful bankai that really helped so much.
Tatsuki, Keigo and Kojima also have powers, they haven't manifested BECAUSE the reasons the powers on Chad and Inoue manifested was because of the Hougyoko, not because of Ichigo.
Aizen explained this when he talked to Ishiin during the Deicide arc. In other words, Ichigo gave the basis of their powers to his friends, but because Inoue and Chad were close to Rukia who had the Hougyoko inside of her, their wishes were manifested and they activated their super powers.
Or something like that, i think it's on Deicide 11 but i'm too lazy to go check.
I'm not so much around as I used to be but are you some kind of Porky reborn?
He's the crackpot theorist of bleach generals.
Ichigo's power awakened, he was noted to gradually grow stronger as he aged until the start of the series, Zangetsu and Yhwach were also in a stalemate.
Then with Rukia stabbing him the stalemate was broken and his reiatsu was sent out of control.
It awoke powers in each and every one of his closest friends.
Remember, like half of Karakura became spiritually aware.
MUD & GLORY!!!!!
Go reread deicide, aizen explains all that shit.
So Kubo writes similar to how a DM makes a campaign?
>Also it Shows that Kubo did not actually plan the current events out, look at it.
Actually, it might be arguable that the image in question has no bearing on Kubo's planning as the bankai tool that Urahara invented was originally designed for Shinigami, and given the multi-dimensional aspect of Ichigo's soul, the presence of Zangetsu should not be so easily discounted.
Think of it like this: The Tenshintai is a door lock, to which you thrust in your key (ie. the Zanpakuto). Twisting the key and opening the lock allows one to embrace their potential. Now, by all normal means, if you don't have a key (ie. a basic human) or have a key that doesn't match (ie. arguably Kenpachi or a quincy) the lock won't open. Ichigo however is multi-dimensional, so in his case, the shinigami and hollow aspects of his soul formed a basis or neck/handle of the key and his quincy/Bach influence manipulated itself to form the head (or in other regards it could be that his shinigami/hollow side formed the head and quincy/Bach formed the neck/handle). So in that respect, the appearance of Zangetsu isn't really so surprising.
>Bach touched and killed Yamamoto
ITS FUCKING OVER
you think Yhwach didnt ring a bell already?
it's pretty obvious, but who cares, there are hardly any christian extremists left who would take offence and those that still exist probably don't read chinese cartoons
now if he had named the big bad Allah or Muhammed it'd probably be a different story, but he's not that stupid
You are reaching, man. At least Tatsuki's powers would have to activate during the one of the first hollow attacks. the same attack Inoue got her powers.
>if he had named the big bad Allah or Muhammed
are you 100% sure yawach is the big bad, and that won't be another afterwards?
How am i reaching? Aizen flat out says the powers of those two were awakened because of the Hougyoko.
It is arguable to say that they have activated, she just doesn't know how to use them.
Kubo had plans to develop her as a shinigami of all things, but that idea was dropped.
Tatsuki wasn't close to Rukia like Chad and Orihime.
do you think aizen always says the truth?
Aizen could be wrong, the entire deicide is basically Aizen being wrong and too stubborn to admit that he is wrong.
By the way this is Deicide 03.
Well if that's your argument then there's nothing to argue, so whatever.
are you guys confused?
jhvh is considered the opposite of the "satan" like. that would infer and strenghen aizens point of view that the soul king is infact evil or simply opposite..
plus it would annoy jews more than christians
Because (even if it is not stated in this page) I bet Tatsuki was feeling very powerless when that flower hollow made her a puppet and let her beat up Orihime.
hard to tell at this point really, to be honest I thought Aizen was to be the big bad, but hell
>Well if that's your argument then there's nothing to argue, so whatever.
Aizen was wrong, he said that the Hougyoku granted Chad the entirety of his powers, but that wasn't the truth.
Whatever man, have fun mistaking the dude one godpowerlevel above you for an ant.
Does anyone have the updated version of the chapter reaction chart?
Yeah, speaking God's name in vain is the tabooest of taboos
Ok. Given. But is that really relevant in the light of recent events. She was the closest to Ichigo and (now I may be reaching) Ichigo has some form of YHVHs power.
I enjoy this discission but with all those theories I start losing sight of the facts.
>All the people Ichigo has touched will die
Aizen is god and Ichigo is his son, born to the virgin Misaki.
Ywach is the fallen angel who dared to challenge god.
>tfw Bleach is a fable about the destruction of mankind by religion and war
>tfw Kubo is the new Tolstoy
>when all the people Ichigo has touched die he will be invincible
WHAT THIS CHAPTER SAID ( AND IS MORE ESSENTIAL THAN ANYTHING ELSE BTW ) IS THAT THE QUINCIES THEMSELVES ARE FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE. THEY WILL LOSE AND DIE. ONLY YWH WILL REMAIN. AND IT WILL BE UP TO ICHIGO TO STOP THIS ALL-POWERFUL BEING.
Nope it did not!
You are a level one reader.
You got what you were supposed to get from this.
What is actually said is that Yawach Needs to Keep this cycle of giving and taking running as otherwise he will turn back to a blind Baby without being able to do anything.
Those trees were dope
Imagine teaching this in class. Discusions about power levels and grading papers about the relation between 20th industry and zanpukto forging.
Still don't get how Ywach is pronounced Yuhabaha.
Okay okay okay so if
Ichigo's first release is old man YHWH
Ichigo's bankai is young YHWH
will his next powerup be baby YHWH?
>Shinigamis and Hollows seem self explanatory, they're just a natural part of the bleach universe
DING DING DING
Nope. The order is artificial
Nope. This is what comes next, shitter. He wants to win the war. And then give out souls AGAIN to a number of people. And wage war again against x person. BUT, as it is, in the current war, it's a LOSING BATTLE, the act of him giving his soul is such that people who TOOK IT die after doing so. Meaning, they are all GOING TO DIE, it is FATE. They are fated to die. And when it happens, YHW is going to be all-powerful, end the war and rein supreme. Then, and only then, will he be able to do never-ending wars and never-end his existence. It'd be so had Ichigo not existed. Ichigo is literally Aizen's answer to the YWH threat.
Plot-wise, this means all the quincies are going to lose, YWH is going to stomp some shinigamis and Ichigo will go to town.
I'd take that class.
yhvh translated into katakana is yu ha ba ha
>this means all the quincies are going to lose
there is like 6 left. they were losing before this chap
I don't think Kyouka Suigetsu would disintegrate without Aizen somehow retaining its power.
Current Ichigo should be many many times more powerful than dangai ichigo was, and he's obviously not gonna crush YWACH. I'm guessing that he and Aizen are on about the same level.
Next power up aside from new Bankai you mean?
Try controllable hollowfication, perfect hybridization and ascension.
I wouldn't surprised if Ichigo had a halo in his final, final, actual strongest form.
Grading would be completly arbitrary. And every time you get asked the only answer you give is "Since when were you under the impression the scores goes from 0 -100?"
read it as "turnip letter" and loled a little
And this is why. They are fated to lose. They are only pawns to make YWH stronger.
>They are only pawns
when were they not pawns? did you actually think they were gonna win?
There are many unrevealed ones and from this chapter we know that Yhwach can just make new ones, they don't have to be his blood relatives.
Though the relatives are stronger.
Keep in mind that he granted power to arrancar as well.
Whatever makes the other Quincies weak to hollows doesn't apply to Yhwach.
Don't you have some illegal flashers to sell?
It's a V as a matter of fact.
Pronouncing V, R and F is difficult for native Japs.
Meant L, not F.
Are you stupid? Of course they could not win, it's fucking Shonen jump. But it explains why, story-wise, they keep getting defeated even though they seem stronger. They just can not win. They are fated to die. It's the answer to the "why do villains always lose?" Well, it's because they were fated to in their universe. They just could not win. For someone talking about level 1, 2, 3 etc. reader, you seem rather dense.
The outcome of the battle is irrelevant.
They can still win and force the Gotei 13 on the run.
>they don't have to be his blood relatives.
what in the fuck are you talking about?
the fact byak and co survived there attacks means they were gonna eventually win no mattter how much shit down.
>Can still win
No, they can't. YWH can win, they can't. It is why the medicines got sent to the captais just as they were going to get killed, it is why they could take it, is is why they could defeat them. They can't go against their fate.
So basically they confirmed that they have to kill Juha last. Because if they kill him, then the other people, their soul fragments will just revive him again
>Are you stupid? Of course they could not win, it's fucking Shonen jump.
No I'm not stupid hence why I never said such a thing, stop being so emotional.
Moreover, this happens as everyone has one and only one soul. By changing your soul, you go against Fate. But Fate can not be defeated. Therefore, they die. And as tribute, the soul that was lent to them became that much stronger and went back to YHW.
I am saying that Yhwach can make a Quincy out of anything he damn well chooses.
Please, if you answer, at least tries to make sense and answer the actual post you are quoting.
Who is Facebook?
Ichigo killing all his family and friends before duking it out with juhabach.
Nice going Kubo.
The guy who helped Yamamoto defeat Yhwach back in the days, remember?
I thought exactly the same thing
How can you not remember the guy who helped Ichigo defeat Aizen?
>mistaken for Jesus or some other messiah
>heals people so hard they die
>millennia later he's leading Nazi archers
>he goes all Hitler on Arrancars
>Blitzkrieg's Japanese ghost samurais
Shit's racist yo
Do you even read this manga? He helped Ichigo against Byakuya
Some random notes and thoughts to ponder on, mostly wrong thoughts.
> Bach could be the first Human to receive an immense amount of Reiryoku which would explain his powers.
If Bach was the first to receive Reiryoku, let's say from the Soul King then it could be possible that he was entrusted with a duty.
We don't really know to much about the Soul King or his powers so it could very well be that Bach was entrusted with creating a home for it.
We also know that Kishi from the human world can be converted into Reishi as proven by Uraharra with the Reishi Henkan-Ki. So it could be possible that Bach created Soul Society/palace to house the Soul King.
As we know the Soul Society is made completely out of the constant feeding of reishi from the people who die within it while their soul is reborn in the Human world, why would it need the constant cycle of reishi supplied ?
It could be just as simple as time corroding the outer structure of condensed reishi (Possibly similar to Baraggans powers ?).
> Condensed reishi appears blue
> mfw Las Noches was Kubo foreshadowing with the blue sky roof.
>>heals people so hard they die
I'm laughing like a retard.
and that changes anything I said how? fan favourites will win there return battles, ichigo will appear, some other characters will appear, plot twist, more characters, final battle, ambiguous ending.
He saved Orohime when she was kidnapped by Ulquoirra
>at least tries to make sense and answer the actual post you are quoting
the only question you made is are you stupid and I replied. you;re getting all caught up in your fate this fate that, when in short term it doesn't matter as the intricacies of the strenritter don't matter since bach is opposite god now and always will be.
This Jesus didn't go around preaching about love and understanding only to get himself killed.
He went out and knocked up every bitch he could find.
>yfw after Bambi and the Bambitches die, Juha Bach will go back to an androgynous form
Is yhwach like a Hougyoku?
He fought Stark alongside Kyoraku, among other things.
Is orihime a yhwach?
Consider the Royal Guard for a moment.
These are people who are kept in another realm because their contributions to SS were great and are assigned the duty of protecting the Soul King with the equivalent of half of SS military power and thousands of souls embedded in their bones. With that much power why would they need to keep themselves isolated? Two scenarios come in:
>There is a legitimate threat to the Soul King in spite of their power
>They are protecting the rest of SS from the Soul King
The former is justified by Juha Bach's existence and powers. If it were just a simple case of powerlevels then they should have gone down to help in the invasion instead of waiting for the Quincies to leave. This could imply that they are well aware of Juha Bach's abilities and don't want the very cornerstones of SS to be taken in by him. Going by Toofsy's exposition, only a handful of people should be aware of said abilities so if they knew of Bach's true nature he either ran his mouth during a fight or they have a hand in the guy's existence.
The latter scenario could be explained by the Soul King being a malevolent being that needs to be contained or him being something just as naturally nasty as Bach. Based on what's been shown about reiatsu, the most likely explanation would be that the Soul King has an ungodly amount of it and just being around him crushes normal souls hence the difficulty that Renji and Rukia had up there when they were training.
tl:dr; Bach is nowhere near as shady as SS for him to be the final boss.
and they will clam to him, for they believe their saviour has returned. but he is not their saviour, he is the antijew.
Please, refer to >>100720927
are you clinically retarded or just a shitty troll?
Doesn't match up. SS apparently has 1 million years of history, and Yhwach was a baby when sand people ran around praising YHWH.
>1 million years of history
This is why Kubo is God.
Interesting. So he referenced Superstar as James, the name of his fans. I hope Kubo decides to release something that reveals the powers of all the quincies and their backgrounds.
How could you forget how he rescued Chad from those bullies?
Since when were you under the impression that Space and Time are separate?
what if the gotei exists as a raising ground for Royal Guard?
So obviously Ichigo is now Z the Zangetsu
or Z the Dragonball
My friend who introduced me to Bleach.
>Z the Zord
It's a guy who pilots a giant sword.
So Bach can only be defeated by an asspull. Gotcha Kubo.
End of Xcution, Rukia says something about Ichigo changing one million years of Soul Society history.
And no, I'm not going to post a link; you're a big boy and can look it up yourself.
>Z the ZzzzZzzZZzZZZZZZZZZZZzzZzzzZZz
>he is now bees
>Ichigo finally arrives
>able to beat Ywach within an inch of dying
>Ywach commands all remaining to quincy kill themselves
>he gets back to 110%
This isn't out of the realm of possibility, I don't think
I missed good Bleach threads. Its been too long.
Naa. Well maybe. But if that was true then strong hollow would still be able to be his friends. But he had no friends and he was constantly lonely. But that was the aspect of his power. Loneliness. And his powers made sure that he remained lonely by slowly killing anyone he came in to contact with. "Blessed with suck" so to say.
lmao, holy shit. Now I get what those other anons were doing. Amazing.
He did for the Arrancar, so I imagine we'll get one here too (eventually).
The shinigami are a recent invention tho
Recent on a Geological scale, though before that they went by a different name.
They were called Sternritter B: The balancers
Captcha: heart dapsnes
>ishida swoops in and saves the day
>But if that was true then strong hollow would still be able to be his friends.
Hence the exact reason he joined the Espada.
Are you saying you have a more accurate translation, or just doing a poor Aizen impression?
Actually he can only be killed by genocide. If you let even one fragment of him live, he's going to come back eventually.
Considering that the oldest anatomically modern human remains are ~200k years old, I wouldn't take Bleach as conforming strictly to our timeline.
postan a compilation of several Kubos from this chapter
May I remind you that there are races of talking dogs and sentient masked monsters in a world where mass extinction events happen and those in charge switch. Humans are probably just a blip in SS history.
It was also stated that the hougyoku only awakened potential that was there. Something else (Ichigo) likely implanted the abilities that the jewel woke up.
he needs to sleep
>all quincy die
>bach goes to sleep
>ICHIGO SAYS "I SLEPT THIs morning and YOU DIDNT THIS IS NOT HOW I WANT TO WIN"
>They proceed to both take naps for 5 hours while the entire world watches
>they wake up and fight again
We all spark now
the real question is where all the dinosaur shinigami are
I can't believe none of you are talking about that glorious mustache on the last page.
maybe some old as kisuke-like guy wished to be a father after he created the hougyoku and then the stone turned into a person
10/10 sounds like kubo
>yfw Keigo is the Soul King and descended to Earth to watch over and observe Ichigo
I fucking love Bleach threads so much. It's been a long time since we've had a good specula thread. I'll love this manga forever thanks to you guys.
That's fucking brilliant.
JB looked extra baller this chapter.
>exactly like Naruto's Genesis story
You fucked up. not even close
What, that Yhwach is actually the Antichrist?
I think its pretty clear he's a villain, and villains that claim to be God are actually pretty popular with Christians, considering that's who the Big Bad is in Revelation.
i wished the hollows had a more prominent role they are the only group to not have a god like person to lead them
the closest they had was halibel but she was more of a queen than a god not to mentions shes kind of detained by the quincys
So basically, Ichigo most likely has YWH's same ability of soul imprinting and taking which explains how Chad and Orihime got their abilities and why he doesnt want Ichigo fighting? So that Ichigo doesn't take back the Quincies pieces?
SO basically this is decepticons vs autobots Kubo mode?
Well they did have Barragan.
but shit did people really get all crazy over the pokemon being the devil or was that just the news the news exaggerating ? shit in my country most of us are catholic and people didn't give a shit, or most countries for that matters, except "Murrica"
Except the true gods are shinigami and the Soul King, who have literally nothing in common with the stuff abrahamitic cults belief in.
The "true" Religion would be a polytheistic one with Buddhism, Hunduism and Shinto being closer than most others.
The god the jews belief in is not existant in any way. It's possible that Yhwach is literally Yahwe from the bible (or better: the true inspiration), and he was just named after the shepherd god his tribe prayed to.
Yea, but by that point he was already an arrancar and we have no idea if he still have that effect on people as an arrancar.
In Germany Catholicism, Lutheranism and Judaism are more or less state religions, with every public school offering mandatory religion lessons.
The churches still have much less influence than the churches in 'murrica.
The Hollows have the Vasto Lorde, but they're so powerful they simply don't care about anything, especially other hollows. The hypothetical hollow equivalent of the Royal Guard.
I feel like streaming and chatting, but I doubt that there would be enough viewers... even if I got all the eps, movies, specials and most of the OST, and 500+ Rukia pictures.
Would Yhwach get weaker if he was forced to eat garbage?
But that's poison.
I'd watch what you streamed.
You're exaggerating it greatly, the only people religious people who gave a shit about Pokemon and Harry Potter teaching demon summoning and witchcraft are splintered fundamentalist religious sects, Pope Jean Paul said Pokemon was the shit anyways and my RC parents kept buying me the games. In other words, no one gives a shit except the people who still think Jesus rode dinosaurs.
I personally suspected that Hueco mundo was a realm without a fixed euclidian geometry and that Barragan was only lord over what he could survey. Thats why the espada was constantly looking for vasto lordes. They had no idea how many existed or were to find them because the geometry of hueco mundo is not consistent or mappable. Thus there can also not be a ruler. Which is fine as organizing themselves would go against the nature of hollows.
I was hoping this wasn't the case. Who didn't see it coming? You Need to wake up.
>have no idea if he still have that effect on people as an arrancar
Well, no, since he was split into two bodies. In his resurrection he had infinite ceros and exploding wolves, so is the connection really that difficult to make?
Tfw no long hair
Alright, come have a say what you want to see.
It's like you're still stuck in the pre-HM era.
No, Ichigo will cut him down if he offers a chance.
the closest arrancar capable of comparing to juha bach and soul king was r2 ulquiorra
and even then his importance is limited compared to the other two
OK, that's getting off-topic here, but oh well.
That morons who literally think Jebus rode Dinosaurs are very poweful in the US, powerful enough to deeply influence politics. Just look at that thing in California with Prop. 8 and the Mormons (one of the pretty much worst cults). It doesn't matter if they're a minority, they got lots of power.
Ironically the german system of cooperation between church and state most likely keeps their influence down here.
What's the deal with the shadow land? Why did they need to "invade" by pulling seireitei into it?
According to Kubo Ulquiorra 2.0 was still only the fourth/fifth strongest. Sounds like bullshit, but Kubo.
Could anyone help simplify this chapter for me? Its just not clicking right in my head.
I don't think you know as much about American politics and religion as you think you do, and either way Bleach and Pokemon have very little impact on either.
When did I ever mention Ulquiorra or the Arrancar?
Maybe the reason OMG didn't finish YHWACH was because he didn't want to absorb his soul. Perhaps there was a lot of humans lifes linked to it or maybe his soul is kind of immortal.
Yhwach is the christian god and a jew, he created christianity and islam to
A. Have a lot of followers whose souls he can eat to become stronger.
B. Have constant strife between those groups to keep the soul-stream into his stomach more steady.
If you're christian and muslim your soul gets always destroyed upon death, that's why the afterlife is so asian.
Urahara put hollow in the captains, so hollow would get inside the Quincies and fuck with their powers
But Urahara was outkeikkaku'd by Bach who put a bit of his soul in the Bankai, so when they recover it they become infected.
I think this means it's not that Quincies are "weak to hollows" per se, but that hollow taint disrupts their link to Bach. Bach himself is fine with hollows, and as proof he absorbed Ivan (to gain his information about Ichigo), the Holy Selection (absorbing Quincies with hollow taint), and the "quincies remove hollows from the life cycle" (actually the souls inside the hollows go to Bach)
but that doesn't make sense, if the souls kills itself and dispereses then hollows have no reason to attack quincies, they would gain nothing
I find it to be an amusing bit of Christian commentary that Juhabach is a kindly, forgiving father figure by night and a ruthless dealer of divine punishment by day.
If Ichigo is part hollow will he try to make a suicide sacrifice to destroy His Majesty by poisoning him? Or does he already have safeguards?
But it sounded like he was going to absorb the shinigami, so how did he put part of his soul into theirs?
Well, if he had absorbed Yhwach's soul he would have gotten infected by his power.
That's fucking stupid. Ulquiorra was espada 4 even keeping his second form secret from everyone, and imma be mad as shit if Yammy's transformation actually puts him above Ulq.
Bach will probably draw out his quincy powers and absorb them, getting his hollow side too and being poisoned.
Not like it matters if Ichigo loses them, last arc and all.
He most likely did it via the stolen Bankai.
As soon as the shinigami took their Bankai back they got infected.
It was implied he did it though their Bankai (Byakuya, Komamura, ect.), although I have no idea what the fuck the person you're replying to is talking about.
I'm gonna guess Bach is the midboss of this arc, with Ukitake being the big bad.
You are now realizing that Aizen always put Tousen in command of visual things.
I think you mean
>can't see shit, Captain
That's a funny way of putting it, but it works too.
Ichigo cancels out Yhwach's soul collection ability whenever he's in the proximity.
Begs the question of where Quilge went after he died, as Yhwach didn't seem to notice it right away.
Perhaps that's why Ichigo's Quincy heritage awakened.
Also Yhwach Father doesn't want him fighting as it will make him suffer the same fate of The Father, destined to watch everyone around him die and endlessly seek out fights as The Ruler.
Zangetsu and Yhwach also appear to have a similar relationship.
One nurtures and protects, while the other seeks out fights and wants power.
holows have vasto lorde
kubo says that at least some of the espada were vasto lorde
wait, aren't souls eternal no matter what and they go to hell or heaven after dying? the recycling of souls between the after and current life is really asian though, I give you that
>implying Aizen isn't he true final boss
It was always clear that Ulquiorra 2.0 had a lower reiatsu than a fully charged Yammy, just reread Yammy's comments, he was never particularly impressed.
I also wouldn't mind if Starrk's reiatsu was above second release Ulquiorra, but that he never changed his position, yeah, that was fucking stupid.
SK, ichigo, yhwh tied for first
yammy is just too fucking dumb to take seriously as a powerhouse.
Yahweh was a war god actually.
You're missing exactly what it is that makes Ulquiorra strong, and Yammy stronger. Ulquiorra was the only Espada to have retained High-speed Regeneration; while he is definitely very strong in his second form he probably does not have the highest reiatsu of all Espada. Yammy, however unrestrained it may be, has virtually no reiatsu ceiling- he only gets stronger with anger.
>Not all of the above.
tl;dr: Juha Bach is a jew race phylactery
switch tiers 2 and 3 and we have a deal
>Sternritter A: The Aizen
FUCKING XSPLIT A SHIT
In the Bleachverse we already have complete obliteration of the soul as a possible thing: Quincies, the execution bird, what Mayuri did to that civilians.
Hitler was only trying to stop Juha Bach from returning.
Why didn't we listen?
Hammy could never beat ulquiora regardless of stored reiatsu. He was a gimmick.
>kubo says that at least some of the espada were vasto lorde
I hate to ask but do you have a direct source? It was of my belief that only Ulquiorra was an actual Vasto Lorde and he was an incomplete one at most.
He would've had to kill his own to accomplish that.
>since when were you under the impression that there were only two As?
Hey, don't use facts against my slandering.
Anyway, that was later, when Yhwach's influence had already grown.
Yammy might have more reiatsu, but Ulquiorra would beat him in a fight.
Was his second release full vastolorde?
>Sternritter A: The "Are you fucking kidding me?"
Yes, that's most likely true. That's why I only mentioned "reiatsu" while avoiding "stronger".
Hitler was a fullbring.
Do you... know what Vasto Lorde means? It isn't a powerup, it's the final stage of Hollow development that is basically perfection. Segunda Etapa is not "vasto lorde", it's just a second release; why Ulquiorra was the only one to attain it was never specified.
You mean "Fullbringer"?
No he was Churchill's fullbring, "the enemy"
i thought you guys hated bleach and was like naruto?
No. Hitler was teh jews
By killing the jews he made the ones who survived stronger.
This is why we have such jewish dominance now
Hitler was working for YHVH all this time
Yes, he was trying to create a perfect race of fullbringers.
Actually the name yahweh dates back to 1200 BC.
Many of the stories in the bible were originally attributed to other Semitic religions and Gods.
For instance Noah and the arc was a story about a great flood that inundated one of the first great city states of man.
I don't even read Bleach anymore, I just come to these threads for Kubo's shenanigans.
Maybe Hitler was YHVH. The germanic were the true jews descends of YHVH. Doesn't explain how he lost the war.
You guys read Bleach, and you expect things to be coherent. You people are the festering cancer that is killing /a/
I'm just glad we have an actual reason why he kills defeated subordinates, instead of the typical YOU WERE DEFEATED ONE TIME THROUGH RANDOM CHANCE BY A TECHNIQUE THAT WOULDN'T WORK AGAIN, I DON'T NEED WEAKLINGS DIE!!!111!!!11111101!!!!!1
>you expect things to be coherent
But things are coherent to an unsettling degree as a matter of fact. Did you just read the OP and just now make this post?
We've been discussing jews, nazis, power users, history and speculation for 8 hours now.
But wasn't Grimmjow also confirmed to have only been Adjuchas?
Trying to make things coherent is most of the enjoyment I get out of reading Bleach
>japs in charge of christianity
Not even once.
grimmjow was last seen as an adjuchas
Bleach threads on /a/ rival /tg/'s many, many gems when it comes to quality.
He ate a piece of them. Ending their evolution and preventing their devolution into gillians. Then he evolved himself into VL. Typical Kubo if you ask me.
The MASKED databook has an English translation, does anyone have the book to confirm this? I'm regretting not picking it up when I had the chance now...
This is a more historically accurate depiction of the sides of Christianity no one ever mentions out of fear and wanting to keep using an invisible sky magican as an emotional crutch.
Who has ever in the history of anime made any allusion to the Abrahamic God actually being a God of war?
Baal the Golden Bull who was demonized in the Bible was more benevolent than Yaweh and they sacrificed children in first one's name.
-1st level readers think of Zangetsu as NAZI LOL becuase swastika, but then 2nd level readers point out that it is a buddhist symbol, not nazi.
But 3rd level readers know that Ichigo's symbol is the Schwarzesonne = Black Sun, which is a nazi symbol again.
So Ichigo is aryan actually (aryans come from India = buddhism/hinduism = shinigami), but he's also part quincy=jew, and also hollow=aztec. So he's the perfect hybrid of 3 sacred races, therefore a multi Übermensch.
I'm guessing you have a Master's degree in Christian Theology, LoN?
Is Kubo a genius writer or i am retarded
Do you even know that a lot of manga just pick elements from real life history, mythology, urban legends, fairy tails, old fictional books and just put them in their work because it looks cool... naruto tree wasn't original, the concept of chakra is based on irl theories, ninjas existed, etc.
Nah, just invested in stone age and bronze age history.
I am particularly interested in how history has been warped by man's ambition for power and the ignorance of the general populace, not to mention where it has been changed.
I want the truth. That's all.
I preffered it when quincy where german and not jewish themed.
Also you forgot he is also japanese, japanese were considered the aryans of asia by Hitler.
To fully activate his power as black sun he will have to absorb ZnT first.
I'd say he's a genius one or both of these:
1. Trolling his readers.
2. Making crazy shit somehow work.
When you say "invested in" do you mean you actually studied nonfiction on these topics at an institution, or did you browse Wikipedia until you became an "expert"?
You go to /x/ don't you?
allergies don't make sense in the first place
>oh look peanutbutter kills me
You have allergies the same way your body fights off constantly mutating pathogens trying to kill you.
>he will have to absorb ZnT first.
And his true new zanpaktou power vaporized a sea. Also he's a Shiba, which have fire powers.
top lel Kubo
PRAISE THE ICHIGO
Oh shit, Yhwach has Yamamoto's soul.
>Making crazy shit somehow work.
His ability to write is similar to Russian's Engineering
Btw, implied his Zmpakuto is strongest thing ever. Why? Because never ever before heat from forging zmpakutot didnt vaporized all water in that place.
You implying Kubo draws drunk?
but did he evolve? i thought the only VL level espada's were Starrk through Ulquiorra
Is Kubo implying Hitler was actually Jew?
I know plenty of Christians who read bleach.
>implying the manipulation, merging coinfluence and general evolution of mankind's myths is a /x/ tier conspiracy
are you stupid?
He's implying Jesus became hitler
Hey, Zun programs, writes and draws drunk and it works
Well never before did anyone Input their reishi into the asauchi while it was forged.
This entire comparission thing was stupid as there was no event to compare it to.
Everyone else got an asauchi after it was forged and could then Input their reishi and form the zanpaktou, this was a first time Thing with Ichigo.
And to compare things ZnT endangered the world they lived in just by staying active and a sea means not much to 15m degree aswell.
Kubo made this a really stupid comparission after showing us ZnT.
Only thing that would make sense now is that Ichigo gets it by having inherited Yama's will or some shit as a Shiba and they truly blast out something like Yama being an ancestor of the Shiba.
Well, considering how well is going for jews now (not talking about /pol/ rich jews, more like the creation of the state of Israel) we could say WW2 worked great for them
just as keikkaku
Apparently he did. Kubo showed that flashback for a reason.
How did you interpret it that way?
It's just that /x/ has history buffs with that sort of knowledge debunking stuff. LoN fits the profile of an /x/ conspiracist and apparently has interests in such obscure knowledge so I figured it was 2+2 there.
Used to before omegle became more common than creepypasta
I'm not an expert and never claimed that I was.
I've read some articles, watched a few documentaries, googled a bit and read some more articles, read the Bible while I was still a Christian and did a project on the subject of later stone age customs.
Though I do admit that I don't know much about the bronze age and the iron age and what little I know of the Roman empire comes from googling and school.
To be perfectly honest I didn't know about the meaning of the two-headed black eagle until I noticed it on a friend's tattoo, a few national symbols and when it was pointed out in these threads that Kubo had it as his avatar for 6 months.
I knew it had to be important and that's what rekindled my interest for world history.
Sage for blog rant
i can't handle this shit right now. its too much
It's pretty obvious (inb4 Kubos) that Ichigo will steal back ZnT then become the True Sun
except this time that baby isn't the source of all life derp
Well I have a really different view on /x/
The only ones I've seen there who truly know their shit are the occult tripfags (Frater K and the likes)
>That's all that matters, if the man has the status of a God and all the power to accompany it then he is a God.
Except not at all; just because a bunch of fanatics that were healed by him praise him as a god and he has some power doesn't make him so. Even he was surprised to hear that the people referred to himself when he finally awoke to the world, but rather than going along with it he just chose his own name.
He is not god, but rather someone who was worshiped as though he was god because he healed people with his power. I don't see how people are getting that one wrong here when it's stated as such in the story itself. It's like saying Aizen or anyone with any power in the series was a god, when no matter how strong they got they still fell infinitely far from the seat in the end as even Aizen was nothing but a failure there.
Is it possible that Mizuiro is just a normal teenager?
Ok how am I supposed to read this? right to left or left to right? what does the blue and red marking mean?
Thank you for validating my deduction.
I don't lurk there frequent enough to know who's who there. Is there an /x/ tripfag guide somewhere so I know which nutjobs are worth listening to?
He is actually a male prostitute.
Not a fucking chance. That kid stood in the evolved Aizen's presence and didn't give a single flying fuck, when everyone else was fighting to stay conscious.
He had the presence of mind to prepare a molotov cocktail and use it when he thought it'd be advantageous.
He can't be normal.
It's probably bullshit, but there's nothing that contradicts it. The women he sleeps with are pedophiles/ephebophiles either way.
>generic pseudo-deep backstory
Okay my head fucking hurts, can somebody explain to me what the fuck is going on?
I understand Juha's power now.
Which fucking twins is everyone talking about, did I forget or oversee something?
Juha killed Yamamoto himself didn't he?
Kubo what the fuck are you doing
He's implying that we've most likely worshiped a God of armies and barbarism for most of our lives.
Aizen speech makes so more sense now, since there are no god someone must evolve enough to take his throne. In the end there can only be one may it be Ichigo.
I'm not sure what you're confused about.
>Which fucking twins is everyone talking about, did I forget or oversee something?
Loyd and Royd.
>Juha killed Yamamoto himself didn't he?
He has been hinted way too fucking much by kubo and too many times just to be a normal teen.But it could be that Kubo did that to throw us off or he is trying to make us think that he is trying to throw us off, but in reality he is actually the Soul king.
I'm sure you could name a ton of once deaf-blind-mute-immobile god children turned warmongerer, right?
Lol DEEP, amirite? Madoka of our Evangelion
>Earlier Reveal, Ichigo's Grandfather had gotten inside Ichigo for most his life, it's legal because JAPAN
>Now Ichigo's Grandfather is apparently inside everyone, bonus points for those he etches himself into. It's cool though, because at the end of their lives they come back for more
Why is his grandfather such a slut?
He is still worshiped as a God and the actual God he's named after doesn't exist in the Bleach-verse.
Therefore as someone capable of wielding ZnK an actual world destroyer.
Creating anything he wants to and performing various miracles he is by all accounts something that counts as divine, if only by his own merit.
Hell, the Quincies are his holy angels.
I expect this aswell.
But I will wait for the invitable twist of Rukia being revealed as a Quincy.
Just think about it, her origin could very well be that of the spirit of a quincy.
She is ice and light themed like the quincy.
She looks like child Yawach.
Her sisters mysterious illness could have been a slow hollow reiatsu poisoning from left over residue carried by Byakuya.
Well he needed a trick to defeat a weakend Yama, sounds not so godly to me.
I guess Hitsugaya is also quincy, since he is ice and light themed as well
And Byakuya too since he kinda looks like younger Yhwach
Can someone make picture with Yhwach's maturing? We have 5 different stages now.
>her origin could very well be that of the spirit of a quincy.
Completely disregarding all Quincy spirits return to Ywach, no/no.
>She is ice and light themed like the quincy.
All shinigami with Ice powers are Quincy now? Looks like Hitsugaya is even more special than before.
>She looks like child Yawach.
Having short dark hair =! descendant of Ywach.
>Her sisters mysterious illness could have been a slow hollow reiatsu poisoning from left over residue carried by Byakuya.
Drawing for straws, shit theory, no thanks.
So how will this affect Ichigo or how will Yhwach be afftected by Ichigo because of this?
Hitsugaya is purely ice/weather themed.
Rukia falls into the analogy and counter part to Ichigo area (Ichigo=fire/darkness/sun Rukia=ice/light/moon).
Byakuya comes from a lineage of shinigami, he is a born one, Rukia and her sister are from Rukongai.
The people from Rukongai are either born there or are spirits that came from "earth", those that come from earth can retain or not retain their memories and may or may not change age, gender and appearance.
SS arc end confirmed that a living quincie after he dies can come to SS and that they even might be capable to enter the shinigami school.
Maybe OMG wasn't a shinigami but a shinigami hollow hybrid. That's why his zanpakuto keep evolving like a hollow, he wasn't the first Kenpachi even trough he out leagues everyone.
We don't know what the real Yhwach is capable of, remember his power is sealed.
He's been fighting absolute monsters in base form and Royd couldn't copy his power.
>THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY
This chapter brought to you by Team Ninja
and then theres this faggot trying to shit up the thread
>SS arc end confirmed that a living quincie after he dies can come to SS and that they even might be capable to enter the shinigami school.
You do realize that the most recent chapter completely retcons this information?
>Completely disregarding all Quincy spirits return to Ywach, no/no.
SS arc and Mayuri confirmed that they enter SS, if you missed that I am deeply sorry for you.
>All shinigami with Ice powers are Quincy now? Looks like Hitsugaya is even more special than before.
ice/light is the Basic them for the quincy classic western rpg style for holy warrior; Hitsugaya is far from that
>Having short dark hair =! descendant of Ywach.
You did not see the previous thread with a Picture of Rukia and Young Yawach next to each other, looking like twins did you?
>Drawing for straws, shit theory, no thanks.
more of an Explanation for it than any other sofar
With the exception all of your Counter arguments are worthless.
Your theory is shit just fuck off. Also post the page where Mayuri said that because I dont remember him saying anything about that.
Yama wrecked his shit 1000 years ago without even going all out.
You know that we do not know the full extent of this.
We are talking about fully living quincies here, the current ones differ, maybe in that regard that they are Spirits to begin with.
We do not know if he fully takes them in.
Matter of fact has it that Mayuri revelaed in the SS arc that he caused the deaths of many quincy so that they end up in SS for him to experiment on.
They also mentioned at the end of SS arc that all of the intruders if they had died and normally entered SS would have easily wound up as seated shinigami members.
We know there is a big difference between classic quincy and the current ones.
YHWACH only get back the fragment of the soul with the experience and power the soul may still go elsewhere.
It doesn't, the most recent chapter states that part of the host's soul returns to Yhwach along with the borrowed fragment, see pages 5 and 6.
Mangastream clarified that part.
Though Quincies going to SS and becoming Shinigami is bound to be a rare occurence since Mayuri hunted them to near-extinction.
Yama had the power of a sun.
An object of worship met another object of worship and they duked it out.
Yama's victory was due to his reckless disregard of all lives and how incompatible flames burning as hot as the sun are with pretty much anything.
hes a human after all right?
YHWACH is the perfect anti hollow since he fulfill the hollow in the souls. I think he is like a hogyoku who developed a conscience both grant wishs and it is said the hogyoku has a mind on his own.
Well he does have some hougyoku-like properties
Since aizen was aware of his presence, what if he and maybe Urahara designed their hougyokus around Yhwach's ability?
>tatsuki knows ichigo since they were little.
>they even did karate of w/e together.
so she wil be the endboss becasue she was left out all this time. well that makes sense
Why are we getting Yhwach's backstory now if he's not close to dying? It's kinda out of place.
>Since aizen was aware of his presence, what if he and maybe Urahara designed their hougyokus around Yhwach's ability?
This is really plausible
this means a HAPPENING is being prepared, probably involving Ishida.
Also a new day, new fights. Haschwalth fight vs Shinsui.
Maybe it needs to be explained so that Ichigo's new powers make sense. If he has similar abilities, that is.
all this bullshit. yuhwa was not alive when ichigo was born he herited the quincy powers from his bloodline. if memory serves right it was stated in the chapter where J the Jailer tryed to trap him in hueco mundo.
so basicly juhwa didnt engrave enything into ichigo. its just the soulfragments that were passed down through the bloodlines. i wonder if it even worked that way.
so if someone with yhways soul dies the fragment returns so how is the quincy power passed down to the next generation. if it would split every time the power should weaken and if it would dublicate itself yhwa should have a fucking huge soul if all the pieces would return.
all of this soul fragment shit dosnt make much sense. like the time when stark ripped parts of his soul away to create the wolfbobms lilinett gradually disappered. so by this logic a should cant be infitly large.
Look at he hougyoku and then look at the picture of Yhwach's soul. It's almost confirmed. >>100730437
We know the hougyoku's are at least someone sentient, meaning they are artificial souls. Urahara just improved on the RG lady's artificial souls.
1. Yakuza's healing spring
2. Fat lady's artificial souls
3. Nigger's zanpaktou materialization (bankai training dummy)
4. Arm lady's cloth (stealth cloak) and possibly siekon gate* (artificial garganta)
5. Monk's remains to be seen. He apparently named everything so I don't know what Urahara could steal, thoug he is possibly responsible for kido, which Urahara has improved (Against Aizen)
*Shutara creating the seikon gates is a theory of mine since she can apparently get into locked places (Mayuri's lab) with ease.
Prepare for a mindfuck.