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Do you think there needs to be a shift in anime for less cringeworthy beta MC's and more not necessarily alphas but betas that aren't socially blind and will give in to their desires? You know the ones who will actually bang the best girl off screen with it being heavily implied afterwards but still managing to maintain plot and direction.

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Anime needs more adult characters. Isn't this shit airing late at night? How can adults enjoy it?
I watched all new anime from this season and when watching D-Frag I realized that I'm too old for this.

School kids here, school kids there. Anime reeks of immaturity.
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>>100691068
>How can adults enjoy it?
Jap adults like teenage protags because it reminds them of their schooldays when they werent just a miserable cog in glorious Nippon machine
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>>100690799
Go watch White Album 2. It aired last season and it fits what you've described.
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>>100691122
So they don't watch anything else? The difference between live-action films and anime is colossal.
>escapism
I don't buy it. Why isn't sci-fi and fantasy more popular then? It really feels like the majority of anime is produced with teenagers in mind.
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>>100691068
Its not necessarily that its just more or less have the high school boys be the horny bastards they are and fuck the best girl 8 ways till sunday, or in the case of a harem bang every girl of the day.

>>100691122
But thats kinda the point, because even if their schooldays were shit alot of them still managed to get drunk and score some poontang. Anime never even has that implied.
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>>100691426
You know what I think? I think that anime industry refuses to change because prople working there are cowards. I bet most otaku would enjoy more mature shows about adult people, but producers and directors are scared of more risky projects.
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>>100691426
It´s not that they don´t watch anything else. The problem is that the majority of japs don´t watch anime. After they grow up they only keep watching Sazae-san or something like that.
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>>100691513
(cont'd) I mean honestly, answer me /a/ if you were presented with even half of the array of situations where the best girl and the rest of the girls are just asking for it, would you or would you not fuck them?
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>>100691759
I wouldn't.
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>>100691821
then you're gay.
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>>100691722
Would you put money on a risky business like anime? I wouldn´t.
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>>100691904
I don't believe in casual sex. Relationship is a serious matter.
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ITT: people that have casual knowledge of the industry spout bullshit.
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>>100692042
Are there experts on /a/ about the subject?
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>>100691978
>Causal relationships
In every anime I've seen 7/10 times the best girl is the one MC has developed a very close relationship with, not long but still profound. So excuse me if i cannot see the fallacy of your asinine logic.
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>>100691922
But I'm still bewildered that they don't try more diverse settings and genres.
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>>100692109
>100692109
Most of the time they aren't even in a relationship. So yes, it would be pretty casual.
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>>100692136
Then watch more anime.

>>100692106
Certainly not OP, There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.
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>>100692212
>Certainly not OP
Duh, thats why he is asking.
>There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.
Bullshit. We may have a few people who understand the american market, but about the jap market it is all casual knowledge.
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>>100692212
>Certainly not OP, There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.

What do you expect, most people just comment from what they know by hearsay on /a/.
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>>100692336
And why the fuck should we answer OP? he's clearly new as fuck anyway, it's embarrasing.

Seriously, stop embarrasing yourself, there are guys here that have some pretty fucking deep knowledge of anime, not a high percentage by any means, but they are here.
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>>100692212
I'm talking about modern anime. I've seen 27 this season and 80% maybe more is about teenagers doing something. More than 50% are comedies without much drama. I can even name them all:

Comedies without drama/juvenile fantasies: D-Frag, ImoCho, Mikakunin de Shinkoukei, Nisekoi, No-Rin, Onee-chan ga Kita!, Robot Girls Z, Sakura Trick, Sekai Seifuku, Super Sonico, Tonari no Seki-kun, Witch Craft Works...

In fact the vast majority of anime seems to be either about carefree school life or childish fantasies similar to Harry Potter, except worse. Very often both.
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>>100692443
You are defending /a/ and I´m embarassing myself. Whatever.
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>>100692545
And why was older anime any different?
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>>100692336
So then you use knowledge that applies to the notion of a market in general.
And the one thing that remains true in this matter is that you can't simply force a demographic to appear (or disappear, for that matter).
The market will more often than not speak for itself; why do you think /a/ calls out Japan's shit taste so often in sales threads?
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>>100692625
I'm not saying anything about older anime. I'm just perplexed by this. Apparently anime is mostly for adults, so why are they enjoying this?
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>>100692648
Because those are basically my taste>your taste threads.
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>>100692648
Funny considering how /a/ tends to be the most aligned with nip's taste community on the west.
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OP here
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>>100692408
I don't claim to know anything but i do like the consensus of other peoples opinion

2. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that some things like horny teenagers are a concept that crosses all cultural bondaries. Hell even japan has teens that get laid, why is it so bad to want to live the fantasy of it in anime?

>>100692443
I've been here since 09 your retard, you're the newfag
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>>100691426
>The difference between live-action films and anime is colossal

Jap live action films? Sure. The characters there are such boring shit. I'd even rather just watch hollywood films.
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>>100692042
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>>100692336
Lurk the fuck more
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>>100692737
You do not even know the demographic retard, lurk more.
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>>100692754
>I've been here since 09
Lurk more.
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>>100692787
Enlighten me with some knowledge about the Japanese market you learned from /a/.
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>>100692799
Even immature adults should be more... demanding. Anime is painfully formulaic.
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>>100692884
And that fits perfectly the demographic they aim at, if you don't like it maybe it's not the medium for you.
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>>100692884
Good things become formulaic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY

Maybe you should just do other things.
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>>100690799
Better yet, how about we just get rid of the shitty bland MC in the first place.
Look at K-On, Yuyushiki, Non Non Biyori, and Hidamari Sketch.
The reason these shows stand far above the norm is because of their lack of a retarded male MC.
Sakura Trick is the natural evolution, where focus again is given to a smaller set of characters, but with two equal non-beta cute girls, with several side characters also receiving lots of focus.
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>>100693004
Anime isn't really a medium, it's Japanese animation.
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>>100693066
Instead of missing the point just to show how new you are, shut up and leave.

The current season is pretty good, even more for winter, if you don't like it you won't like /a/ much.
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>>100693008
What you're trying to prove? There are more and less derivative things. I saw a very similar scene of a young girl hitting a boy in 5 or 6 anime this season.
So your argument is a straw man at best.
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>>100692823
Merely because i dont have the same tastes as the average /a/-tard doesn't mean i need to lurk more. Some of us aren't gonna go with the grain no matter what the rest of you vanilla-fags think.
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>>100693268
I can respect that as long as you don't go spoonfeeding like a faggot.
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>>100691759

Risk losing everything, and ruin the status quo, just for some poon? No thanks. Especially considering how much of a loser I am. I've rejected every girl that's confessed to me so far with this reasoning.

Sage for blogshit.
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>>100692884
>Anime is painfully formulaic.
There have been interviews with various animation studios about how they view the current state of the industry; and they understand perfectly well how painfully formulaic their work has become.

The problem is that they can't change their demographics' tastes even if they wanted to, and ultimately they still need to pull a profit. If the formula sells, and deviations do not sell, there isn't much that can be done about it.

The industry isn't the same as it was many years ago where niches weren't as outlined and established as today.
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OP is just mad that they're not making self-inserts for a normalfag like him, and still making self-inserts for the nip otakus.
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>>100693357
>I've rejected every girl that's confessed to me so far with this reasoning.

Thats the biggest pile of shit I've ever heard come from the mouth of an /a/-tard, and I've read some really autistic shit.

>>100693336
I don't intend to spoonfeed but i do value constructive non-aspbergers criticism and dialogue.
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>>100693171
>There are more and less derivative things

So? The quantum of derivement is irrelevant to somethings actual qualities. If it is an almost carbon copy of a good thing that retains all of its good qualities, then it is a good thing. If it is something that is way out in left field and original fresh, new and good, then it is also good.

The only difference is your own experience. One you've seen before, and the other you haven't. And some people become blind to why that derivative thing is good after a while. Their tastes and judgements become dull, so to speak.
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>>100693171
Basically he's saying that most anime is shit meant for people who don't mid the same setting, story, characters. You will find Anime that is different and fringe and the best become classics and a basis for future ones.
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>>100693451
Link one of those besides miyazaki.

And the only reason anime is less flexible is because they just can't put out as much OVAs as they used to, otakus have been controlling the market for decades, since at least the times of wings of honneamise.
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>>100693451
Well yes but if you look at the anime in the industry thats stood the test of time alot of them had one thing in common: They've broken ground and altered the formula. Take TTGL for example, everyone remembers Kamiya why? Because he was not only a good character but he was an alpha that broke the formula. And simon starts out beta but ends up alpha and marries nia by the end of it.
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>>100693726
You could say the same for every other medium in the world, anime is not a particularly rigid one, seeing as it has some of the most widely varied settings,
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>>100693726
Oh Jesus Nia. Just why ?
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>>100693726
TTGL did break some ground, but certainly not the fucking bullshit that you are talking about.

>Kamina breaking the formula

Hilarious
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>>100693726

>TTGL
>broken ground and altered the formula

nope.
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>>100693801
>>100693645
>bump
Are you retarded or something son?
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>>100693726
>TTGL changing anything
And this is the kind of people that even pay attention to this threads people.
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>>100693798
>seeing as it has some of the most widely varied settings,
Nonsense. I completely disagree. Varied settings? Where?
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>>100693726

>Take TTGL for example

Yep. Thread over. It's clear OP has no idea what he's even talking about. Go watch more anime before you complain, you pleb.
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The only romcom MC that I have ever liked is Taiga from Mx0
And that shit got axed
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>>100693978
We have anime that are soda cans doing battle for fucks sake.

How much anime have you seen?
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>>100694149
And? We have similar cartoons.
>How much anime have you seen?
Not many. Around 70-80. I'm quite new to the medium and this is my first season.
Here is my post >>100692545
How is this varied again? And no, comparing anime to American TV series or cartoons isn't valid because far more anime are released per year than them.

There should be more originality.
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>>100694310
Jesus, shut the fuck up and lurk, this isn't /co/.

Fucking /co/cksuckers.
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>>100694310
>hasn't seen shit
>complains
Newfags people
Does the words lurk more mean nothing to you? Don't be rude.
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>>100694478
>>100694401
I'm not from /co/.

>lurk more
Is this your only line of defense?
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>>100694310

>I'm quite new to the medium and this is my first season.
>There should be more originality.

I don't even have the words to express how much of a faggot you are.
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>>100694572
There are 27 or 28 new anime this season, and they are all very formulaic. There should be more originality.
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>>100694673
>>100694564
You are not going to get any more discussion, and you don't deserve more discussion either, lurk more and watch more anime, please.
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>>100694673

Your opinion means nothing. Go kill yourself, or discuss this someplace among people like yourself. Reddit for example, or Gaia.
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>>100694729
I'm watching everything new from this season. And yes, they are bland and derivative.
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>>100694796
>>100694729
So hostile. Can you prove me wrong? Of course you can't.
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>>100694809
We don't care what you think, watch 200 anime and we'll talk.

Your first fucking season for fuck's sake. Does no other board bother telling people to fucking lurk? it's insulting.
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>>100694870
There were people that supported your opinion and people against it in the thread, but none of them is going to discuss shit with a newfuck that's on his first season and thinks he can say shit.
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>>100694882
No, it's insulting that 80% of all shows from this season are just juvenile fantasies without interesting plot or characters.
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>>100694966
Then you won't like the medium, you can fuck off now.
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>>100694931
So is this season especially bad or something and anime is in fact a very diverse and mature medium?
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>>100694966
>implying that's not true for any medium
Watch your Sakura Trick and shut the fuck up.
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>>100695035
It's not.
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>>100695082
Then maybe you don't like anime, tends to happen, you see cowboy bebop and the like and think that's what anime is like.

You can leave now.
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>>100694966

Then stop watching anime. At the very least, stop posting on /a/.
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>>100695082
Name a medium where it isn't.
You can't.
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>>100695196
I just wonder why Japanese modern anime industry is so derivative and how adults can still enjoy it. Because it's for adults, isn't it?
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>>100695312
Even TV series are less derivative nowadays.
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>>100695314
Why would you even bother with /a/? /m/ is clearly more your vibe, check it out, they find loopholes to discuss "mature" anime and aren't as agressive as we are.
Insulting anime isn't really trolling us either, we are just disgusted at you being such a faggot.
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>>100695314

> Because it's for adults, isn't it?

Just stop posting. It's already clear enough that you have no understanding of anything that you're talking about. There's no need to show us more of how retarded you are.
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>>100695367
>Western TV
>not totally irredeemable absolutely disgusting retard filled shit
You've got to be kidding me. Derivative or not, there are ZERO good fictional western TV shows that are currently airing. That's it, and that's all.
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>>100695367
>tv series
>not the second most dead medium after western comics
Just get out, you clearly dislike /a/ anyway.
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>>100695375
It's not. I don't consider mecha really mature. This season I watched Buddy Complex and Nobunaga the Fool and I didn't enjoy either.

I'm insulting modern industry, not Japanese animation.
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>>100695426
>derivative or not
Why? It's certainly less derivative than anime.
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>>100695527
I'm going to start just redirecting you know, and I advice people to do the same.
>>>/tv/
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>>100695573
It's shit though, so it's not worth discussing.
Anime may be derivative, but at least it's not shit.
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>>100695573
Lurk more
>>>/v/

>>100695626
Don't even give him discussion, he shouldn't be posting.
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>>100695527
>Buddy Complex and The Fool are representative of the entire mecha genre
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>>100691722
>I bet most otaku would enjoy more mature shows about adult people
It only. Over the last ten years only two shows with completely adult protagonists managed to sell over 15k: GITS and T&B. Producers think that making an adult animu show is a financial suicide because it's essentially true.
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>>100695708
>>100695650
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>>100695626
Anime is pretty horrible. At least this season is. It's not only derivative, but incredibly juvenile.
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>>100695773
Lurk more.
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>>100695728
Okay, but what about shows with different settings? Wasn't Shingeki no Kyojin a success? While not particularly good it was certainly something different.
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>>100695838
Lurk more.
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>>100695838
im going to have to agree with the /a/ and you should lurk more since youve seen a pathetic amount of anime
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>>100695838
I thought you guys were talking about anime aimed at adults.
Why would you want adult heroes in kids' shows?
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>>100696075
>anime aimed at adults
Aren't all late night anime technically aimed at adults?
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>>100690799
>should anime change to cater to my tastes and not make money?

no it shouldn't
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>>100695838
SnK was an adaptation of the currently second best-selling shounen in Japan; it's basically babby's first edge. Not an "adult" show by any means.
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>>100696132
I'm going to be a retard and throw you a bone here.

The word you're looking for here isn't "adults." The word you're looking for is "otaku."
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>>100696656
But they are adults, aren't they?
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>>100696977
Google otaku and read up, that is the kind of peopel this industry caters to.

You might not want to invest yourself in it after studying more.
Now please, lurk more, the other anons are right, you aer extremely new.
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>>100696977
>But they are adults, aren't they?
No industry aims stuff at 'adults', thats way too general
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>>100696977
"adults" more like man-children, but what do i know I'm technically neet.
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