Do you think there needs to be a shift in anime for less cringeworthy beta MC's and more not necessarily alphas but betas that aren't socially blind and will give in to their desires? You know the ones who will actually bang the best girl off screen with it being heavily implied afterwards but still managing to maintain plot and direction.
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Anime needs more adult characters. Isn't this shit airing late at night? How can adults enjoy it?
I watched all new anime from this season and when watching D-Frag I realized that I'm too old for this.
School kids here, school kids there. Anime reeks of immaturity.
>How can adults enjoy it?
Jap adults like teenage protags because it reminds them of their schooldays when they werent just a miserable cog in glorious Nippon machine
Go watch White Album 2. It aired last season and it fits what you've described.
So they don't watch anything else? The difference between live-action films and anime is colossal.
I don't buy it. Why isn't sci-fi and fantasy more popular then? It really feels like the majority of anime is produced with teenagers in mind.
Its not necessarily that its just more or less have the high school boys be the horny bastards they are and fuck the best girl 8 ways till sunday, or in the case of a harem bang every girl of the day.
But thats kinda the point, because even if their schooldays were shit alot of them still managed to get drunk and score some poontang. Anime never even has that implied.
You know what I think? I think that anime industry refuses to change because prople working there are cowards. I bet most otaku would enjoy more mature shows about adult people, but producers and directors are scared of more risky projects.
It´s not that they don´t watch anything else. The problem is that the majority of japs don´t watch anime. After they grow up they only keep watching Sazae-san or something like that.
(cont'd) I mean honestly, answer me /a/ if you were presented with even half of the array of situations where the best girl and the rest of the girls are just asking for it, would you or would you not fuck them?
then you're gay.
Would you put money on a risky business like anime? I wouldn´t.
I don't believe in casual sex. Relationship is a serious matter.
ITT: people that have casual knowledge of the industry spout bullshit.
Are there experts on /a/ about the subject?
In every anime I've seen 7/10 times the best girl is the one MC has developed a very close relationship with, not long but still profound. So excuse me if i cannot see the fallacy of your asinine logic.
But I'm still bewildered that they don't try more diverse settings and genres.
Most of the time they aren't even in a relationship. So yes, it would be pretty casual.
Then watch more anime.
Certainly not OP, There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.
>Certainly not OP
Duh, thats why he is asking.
>There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.
Bullshit. We may have a few people who understand the american market, but about the jap market it is all casual knowledge.
>Certainly not OP, There are a few guys that seem to know their shit.
What do you expect, most people just comment from what they know by hearsay on /a/.
And why the fuck should we answer OP? he's clearly new as fuck anyway, it's embarrasing.
Seriously, stop embarrasing yourself, there are guys here that have some pretty fucking deep knowledge of anime, not a high percentage by any means, but they are here.
I'm talking about modern anime. I've seen 27 this season and 80% maybe more is about teenagers doing something. More than 50% are comedies without much drama. I can even name them all:
Comedies without drama/juvenile fantasies: D-Frag, ImoCho, Mikakunin de Shinkoukei, Nisekoi, No-Rin, Onee-chan ga Kita!, Robot Girls Z, Sakura Trick, Sekai Seifuku, Super Sonico, Tonari no Seki-kun, Witch Craft Works...
In fact the vast majority of anime seems to be either about carefree school life or childish fantasies similar to Harry Potter, except worse. Very often both.
You are defending /a/ and I´m embarassing myself. Whatever.
And why was older anime any different?
So then you use knowledge that applies to the notion of a market in general.
And the one thing that remains true in this matter is that you can't simply force a demographic to appear (or disappear, for that matter).
The market will more often than not speak for itself; why do you think /a/ calls out Japan's shit taste so often in sales threads?
I'm not saying anything about older anime. I'm just perplexed by this. Apparently anime is mostly for adults, so why are they enjoying this?
Because those are basically my taste>your taste threads.
Funny considering how /a/ tends to be the most aligned with nip's taste community on the west.
I don't claim to know anything but i do like the consensus of other peoples opinion
2. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that some things like horny teenagers are a concept that crosses all cultural bondaries. Hell even japan has teens that get laid, why is it so bad to want to live the fantasy of it in anime?
I've been here since 09 your retard, you're the newfag
>The difference between live-action films and anime is colossal
Jap live action films? Sure. The characters there are such boring shit. I'd even rather just watch hollywood films.
Lurk the fuck more
You do not even know the demographic retard, lurk more.
>I've been here since 09
Enlighten me with some knowledge about the Japanese market you learned from /a/.
Even immature adults should be more... demanding. Anime is painfully formulaic.
And that fits perfectly the demographic they aim at, if you don't like it maybe it's not the medium for you.
Good things become formulaic.
Maybe you should just do other things.
Better yet, how about we just get rid of the shitty bland MC in the first place.
Look at K-On, Yuyushiki, Non Non Biyori, and Hidamari Sketch.
The reason these shows stand far above the norm is because of their lack of a retarded male MC.
Sakura Trick is the natural evolution, where focus again is given to a smaller set of characters, but with two equal non-beta cute girls, with several side characters also receiving lots of focus.
Anime isn't really a medium, it's Japanese animation.
Instead of missing the point just to show how new you are, shut up and leave.
The current season is pretty good, even more for winter, if you don't like it you won't like /a/ much.
What you're trying to prove? There are more and less derivative things. I saw a very similar scene of a young girl hitting a boy in 5 or 6 anime this season.
So your argument is a straw man at best.
Merely because i dont have the same tastes as the average /a/-tard doesn't mean i need to lurk more. Some of us aren't gonna go with the grain no matter what the rest of you vanilla-fags think.
I can respect that as long as you don't go spoonfeeding like a faggot.
Risk losing everything, and ruin the status quo, just for some poon? No thanks. Especially considering how much of a loser I am. I've rejected every girl that's confessed to me so far with this reasoning.
Sage for blogshit.
>Anime is painfully formulaic.
There have been interviews with various animation studios about how they view the current state of the industry; and they understand perfectly well how painfully formulaic their work has become.
The problem is that they can't change their demographics' tastes even if they wanted to, and ultimately they still need to pull a profit. If the formula sells, and deviations do not sell, there isn't much that can be done about it.
The industry isn't the same as it was many years ago where niches weren't as outlined and established as today.
OP is just mad that they're not making self-inserts for a normalfag like him, and still making self-inserts for the nip otakus.
>I've rejected every girl that's confessed to me so far with this reasoning.
Thats the biggest pile of shit I've ever heard come from the mouth of an /a/-tard, and I've read some really autistic shit.
I don't intend to spoonfeed but i do value constructive non-aspbergers criticism and dialogue.
>There are more and less derivative things
So? The quantum of derivement is irrelevant to somethings actual qualities. If it is an almost carbon copy of a good thing that retains all of its good qualities, then it is a good thing. If it is something that is way out in left field and original fresh, new and good, then it is also good.
The only difference is your own experience. One you've seen before, and the other you haven't. And some people become blind to why that derivative thing is good after a while. Their tastes and judgements become dull, so to speak.
Basically he's saying that most anime is shit meant for people who don't mid the same setting, story, characters. You will find Anime that is different and fringe and the best become classics and a basis for future ones.
Link one of those besides miyazaki.
And the only reason anime is less flexible is because they just can't put out as much OVAs as they used to, otakus have been controlling the market for decades, since at least the times of wings of honneamise.
Well yes but if you look at the anime in the industry thats stood the test of time alot of them had one thing in common: They've broken ground and altered the formula. Take TTGL for example, everyone remembers Kamiya why? Because he was not only a good character but he was an alpha that broke the formula. And simon starts out beta but ends up alpha and marries nia by the end of it.
You could say the same for every other medium in the world, anime is not a particularly rigid one, seeing as it has some of the most widely varied settings,
Oh Jesus Nia. Just why ?
TTGL did break some ground, but certainly not the fucking bullshit that you are talking about.
>Kamina breaking the formula
>broken ground and altered the formula
Are you retarded or something son?
>TTGL changing anything
And this is the kind of people that even pay attention to this threads people.
>seeing as it has some of the most widely varied settings,
Nonsense. I completely disagree. Varied settings? Where?
>Take TTGL for example
Yep. Thread over. It's clear OP has no idea what he's even talking about. Go watch more anime before you complain, you pleb.
The only romcom MC that I have ever liked is Taiga from Mx0
And that shit got axed
We have anime that are soda cans doing battle for fucks sake.
How much anime have you seen?
And? We have similar cartoons.
>How much anime have you seen?
Not many. Around 70-80. I'm quite new to the medium and this is my first season.
Here is my post >>100692545
How is this varied again? And no, comparing anime to American TV series or cartoons isn't valid because far more anime are released per year than them.
There should be more originality.
Jesus, shut the fuck up and lurk, this isn't /co/.
>hasn't seen shit
Does the words lurk more mean nothing to you? Don't be rude.
I'm not from /co/.
Is this your only line of defense?
>I'm quite new to the medium and this is my first season.
>There should be more originality.
I don't even have the words to express how much of a faggot you are.
There are 27 or 28 new anime this season, and they are all very formulaic. There should be more originality.
You are not going to get any more discussion, and you don't deserve more discussion either, lurk more and watch more anime, please.
Your opinion means nothing. Go kill yourself, or discuss this someplace among people like yourself. Reddit for example, or Gaia.
I'm watching everything new from this season. And yes, they are bland and derivative.
So hostile. Can you prove me wrong? Of course you can't.
We don't care what you think, watch 200 anime and we'll talk.
Your first fucking season for fuck's sake. Does no other board bother telling people to fucking lurk? it's insulting.
There were people that supported your opinion and people against it in the thread, but none of them is going to discuss shit with a newfuck that's on his first season and thinks he can say shit.
No, it's insulting that 80% of all shows from this season are just juvenile fantasies without interesting plot or characters.
Then you won't like the medium, you can fuck off now.
So is this season especially bad or something and anime is in fact a very diverse and mature medium?
>implying that's not true for any medium
Watch your Sakura Trick and shut the fuck up.
Then maybe you don't like anime, tends to happen, you see cowboy bebop and the like and think that's what anime is like.
You can leave now.
Then stop watching anime. At the very least, stop posting on /a/.
Name a medium where it isn't.
I just wonder why Japanese modern anime industry is so derivative and how adults can still enjoy it. Because it's for adults, isn't it?
Even TV series are less derivative nowadays.
Why would you even bother with /a/? /m/ is clearly more your vibe, check it out, they find loopholes to discuss "mature" anime and aren't as agressive as we are.
Insulting anime isn't really trolling us either, we are just disgusted at you being such a faggot.
> Because it's for adults, isn't it?
Just stop posting. It's already clear enough that you have no understanding of anything that you're talking about. There's no need to show us more of how retarded you are.
>not totally irredeemable absolutely disgusting retard filled shit
You've got to be kidding me. Derivative or not, there are ZERO good fictional western TV shows that are currently airing. That's it, and that's all.
>not the second most dead medium after western comics
Just get out, you clearly dislike /a/ anyway.
It's not. I don't consider mecha really mature. This season I watched Buddy Complex and Nobunaga the Fool and I didn't enjoy either.
I'm insulting modern industry, not Japanese animation.
>derivative or not
Why? It's certainly less derivative than anime.
I'm going to start just redirecting you know, and I advice people to do the same.
It's shit though, so it's not worth discussing.
Anime may be derivative, but at least it's not shit.
Don't even give him discussion, he shouldn't be posting.
>Buddy Complex and The Fool are representative of the entire mecha genre
>I bet most otaku would enjoy more mature shows about adult people
It only. Over the last ten years only two shows with completely adult protagonists managed to sell over 15k: GITS and T&B. Producers think that making an adult animu show is a financial suicide because it's essentially true.
Anime is pretty horrible. At least this season is. It's not only derivative, but incredibly juvenile.
Okay, but what about shows with different settings? Wasn't Shingeki no Kyojin a success? While not particularly good it was certainly something different.
im going to have to agree with the /a/ and you should lurk more since youve seen a pathetic amount of anime
I thought you guys were talking about anime aimed at adults.
Why would you want adult heroes in kids' shows?
>anime aimed at adults
Aren't all late night anime technically aimed at adults?
>should anime change to cater to my tastes and not make money?
no it shouldn't
SnK was an adaptation of the currently second best-selling shounen in Japan; it's basically babby's first edge. Not an "adult" show by any means.
I'm going to be a retard and throw you a bone here.
The word you're looking for here isn't "adults." The word you're looking for is "otaku."
But they are adults, aren't they?
Google otaku and read up, that is the kind of peopel this industry caters to.
You might not want to invest yourself in it after studying more.
Now please, lurk more, the other anons are right, you aer extremely new.
>But they are adults, aren't they?
No industry aims stuff at 'adults', thats way too general
"adults" more like man-children, but what do i know I'm technically neet.