Homura did everything right.
So, Madoka is God and Homura is Satan?
The best girl is Homura.
I want her to do me right.
>pre-ordered this box of valentine chocolate.
I am an /a/non
Discussion thread died, so scoot over image dumpers.
Hmm, not quite.
I think people have been getting Homura's tearing of Madokami apart all wrong. Madokami is the one most hurt by Homura's actions. She was finally going to her most beloved friend, the only one in all of space and time who remembered her, and she was suddenly torn apart and cast aside, left to watch as Homura plays with the version of her that Homura considers to be the "real" Madoka. Rather than being reduced to a mindless state, it's much more poignant if Madokami remains fully conscious but aware that part of her is missing and has to watch it all helplessly until she can connect to her mortal self again.
It's this sin that is Homura's worst: betraying and attacking her friend. From Madokami's perspective, it must seem that Homura just selfishly wanted Madoka all to herself.
>Not X-ing the Rape space
I think Madoka at least understands Homura enough that she'd know why Homura did what she did - that is, to make Madoka happy. But she'll still disagree with it.
>still didn't fug madoka
Homura did nothing right
>not martial arts, dystopia and rape
Rape I can see, but where do martial arts and dystopia come in?
But she won't disagree with it just on an intellectual level, but on a personal, emotional level. Homura really hurt her, by rejecting almost everything that she is. And Akuma Homura is no longer in a position to dismiss cosmic entities as not being the "real" person, since she herself has become one, too.
On the flip side, Madokami can't purify and/or destroy Akuma Homura without doing the same or worse to Homura as she did to Madoka. So I think it makes a duality ending, where Akuma Homura apologizes and Madokami accepts her as a partner, more likely.
"Are you running away to your own time again? You’re relying on your magic too much. That's such a bad habit of yours."
Pic related. Homura is clearly intoxicated off of love juice.
So that's two ways to win, if you include rape.
Gunkata and Homura new world and dream.
Dystopia = the grim, zero-sum nature of the universe, or Homura's fake worlds that aren't as happy as they seem to be on the surface (or are they?).
But doesn't Hamartia require their faults to lead to their downfall? Homura won in the end.
I wonder if Madokami is truly a separated entity though. I think Madoka's tendency to go into remission suggests otherwise.
>Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends.
Gunkata isn't a real martial art.
You aren't a real martial art, faggot.
Madokami is the representation of Madoka's wish and the law of cycles. The law is still in effect as shown in the interview, Madoka simply has her humanity back instead of being bound to her wish.
Madoka has been rewritten back into reality as a mortal, probably by Homura overwriting the universe with her barrier. However, Madokami is (mostly) split from her mortal self and probably stuck watching Homura make a mess of things.
The end could be considered a win if you don't stress the fact that she's locked herself in her own personal hell and that her world lacks stability, order, and to some extent free will, but I think just the fact that Homura's tendencies have been a hamartia in the past is enough. It's not that she changed her fatal flaw, but that for once in her life it didn't make her situation worse.
I've been reading about Urobuchi and his works and inspirations, I don't need explanations anymore about Madoka or anything else.
>Urobuchi: I always loved to read H.P. Lovecraft
>Urobuchi: In H.P. Lovecraft the creatures are the same as Kyubey in that they are uninterested in humans. He isn't evil, it is his lack of feelings that makes him scary.
In these kinds of work you just have to accept what you see. I only realized this after some research on Urobuchi works, when I did realize:
>Homura did everything right.
Hamartia doesn't really fit, Homura could have done the right thing but choose not to do it.
Well, then that kind of makes the entirety of Rebellion completely pointless, if Madoka isn't actually Madoka.
If that's true, it raises the interesting question of whether Homura would ever interact with Madokami. Surely she's capable of detecting the goddess now. Would she just ignore her?
Homura's idea of the real Madoka and the actually real Madoka are different.
You're discrediting it because it's fictional and/or impractical in real life?
I have to wonder if you're actually acquainted with the genre you speak of.
I think so. Homura has rejected the Law of Cycles completely. She has no interest in Madokami, except to keep her away from Homura's own personal Madoka.
It ties into the whole question of whether the ending is really a happy ending, and for whom. I'd put a question mark around that whole concept, personally.
>but that for once in her life it didn't make her situation worse.
Sure, whatever you say. You can discredit Rebellion entirely by saying Madokami is the real Madoka, and she's out there, while Homura is masturbating to fake Madoka.
It's that purple drank. Probably has heroin in it or something.
They're both real, and they're both Madoka, but Homura only recognizes one of them as real. In fact, the distinction between them is just an artificial one that she forcibly imposed which is incomplete and unstable.
What makes a Madoka the "real" Madoka? Is it memories, experiences, power, purity? What does that question actually mean?
I don't think this is the case, Madokami is still inside Madoka, Homura only removed the part that is the Law of cycles and it's not Madokami have a different personality from Madoka, she is just Madoka with more memories.
OP you faggot
>it's not Madokami have a different personality from Madoka, she is just Madoka with more memories.
That's quite a difference. Imagine if you took all of Homura's memories of being a magical girl and more away from her and stuck her in a human body again. You'd get an almost completely different person.
Add "Madoka", "Homura", "Mami", "Sayaka", "Kyouko", and "Rebellion" to your filter. Problem solved, dumbass.
Memories and experiences.
Remember the pink spool of thread going into the soul orb?
By brewing her soul orb, Homura is able to strain out Madoka's love juices. That's definitely intoxicating.
The real Madoka is the original Madoka, Madokami was created because of Homura failed attempt of saving her.
Homura pls go.
What does "original" mean? By that logic, wouldn't the only real version of a person be them as a baby, before they had any of those "experiences" and shit that changed them?
>the distinction between them is just an artificial one that she forcibly imposed which is incomplete and unstable.
Okay, so stop talking like they're different entities and that Madokami still has a corporeal form.
SUPERMAN DID NOTHING WRONG
my fuggen keks
gen has a twitter and he tweeted this
A Madoka/Homura fight makes me hard.
Madokami never had a corporeal form in the first place. She still should have all of Madoka's post-becoming-a-magical-girl memories, and perhaps even the memories of human Madoka before Homura tampered with time and sent her to America. She is now a mostly separate entity from human Madoka and is trying to reconnect with her.
Nice speculation you have there, buddy.
It's simple logic. Homura pulled the human Madoka bit out of the Law of Cycles. What happened to Madoka's memories of being a magical girl and a goddess? They're not gone completely. So they must still be part of the Law of Cycles.
Madoka is Madoka is Madoka.
Making Madokami into "more real" Madoka makes everything weird. I'm sure the memories are still there, and Madoka can still "remember" as she almost did in the hall way.
But it's not two real Madokas, that makes things too weird. Stop being weird, anon.
Or she took all the memories of Madoka and then she erase them to accommodate her desires, you know, like he did with Sayaka.
>They're not gone completely
Why do you think this? It's just like the others girls they don't remember everything.
But she was literally split in half. She tells Sayaka that she broke off a part of the Law of Cycles.
Because Madoka started to remember in the hallway and reconnected with the Law of Cycles as she did so. Her real memories and the Law of Cycles are inseparable.
She pulled Madoka out of the Law of Cycles.
Madoka is the Law of Cycles.
Just the human part. How more obvious could this be? We *saw* the two versions of Madoka as Homura split them.
Law of Cycles still exists, yet Madoka is still Madoka.
Madoka is not her contract, please go.
Because Madoka was split into human Madoka and goddess Madoka. Madoka's wish stipulated that she herself be the one to destroy witches, with her own hands, so some form of Madoka must still be out there erasing witches.
I'm really confused.
Madokami wanted to save every meguca from witchification, give them a hug and tell that everything will be ok. Now that her human side is gone from the Law of Cycle, megucas are still saved, but there is no one to comfort them.
And the most important part - Madoka believes in law and even if Homura gave her a chance of normal life, she still would rather continue her mission. Helping others is what she wanted the most in her whole life after all.
There's nothing confusing about homurape.
I want Homu to get free from Madoka's obsession.
She still wouldn't be interested in your dick, anon.
anti-Rebellion fags circle jerking to their own fan fiction.
Madoka is Madoka, damn it. We don't have two Homuras either.
It makes everything pointless if one or the other is not the "real" one.
>Helping others is what she wanted the most in her whole life after all.
Agreed. I think she can become something like how Homura tried to be in the Madokami time line, fighting in Madoka's place to protect the world.
This time maybe she can do it without sacrificing everything, maybe even with Homura.
The Butcher alludes to a continuation where a goddess and a demon are in the same class. Meaning they're not separate beings.
And do what, exactly? She doesn't have any interests aside from Madoka.
>We don't have two Homuras either.
Because Homura wasn't literally torn in half by a devil. Madoka was. It doesn't have anything to do with who's the "real" one, it's just the reality of the new situation.
So does this have something more to it or is it just that?
>She still wouldn't be interested in your dick, anon.
I don't want her to be interested in my dick.
I want her to stop being interested and obsessed with Madoka only.
I want her to achieve new goals instead of hurr durr I want to be with Meduka.
If Homura will realize that her interest with Madoka is over, hell it will be incredible character development.
But that's what makes her great.
They have eternal nirvana, anon. That's not going to change just because three of the girls are going to be gone for a few decades at most.
>even if Homura gave her a chance of normal life, she still would rather continue her mission.
What's the problem with living a happy human life first, and then reuniting with her divinity once she dies?
Hell, now that she's a mortal she can preach to other humans and bring about a New Testament.
>It makes everything pointless if one or the other is not the "real" one.
No, it makes what Homura did definitely wrong, which is why some people can't accept it. Remember her telling Madoka in the hallway that she is the "real" Kaname Madoka, after suppressing Madokami?
Homura separated human side and memory of Madoka, all what is left in Law of the Cycle is power that saves magical girls, but it's now completely automatic.
Well, she'll probably find side projects, like getting rid of the Wraiths by replacing them with new enemies or perhaps plotting to eliminate magic altogether. She looked pretty bored in the epilogue when she wasn't talking to Madoka.
>all what is left in Law of the Cycle is power that saves magical girls
Which happens to look exactly like Madoka?
No, it's just pointless if that's not the real Madoka.
Everything becomes dumb, and Homura is just playing with a doll she created.
It's not "wrong", it's not anything, it's just dumb.
>I want her to stop showing interest in the person that she dedicated her entire life for!
She still doesn't want your dick, anon.
But Madoka only has one soul, and that's in her human body. Madokami is a soulless husk of a body. Giving it any value is like giving any magical girl's lich body inherent value.
The memories of the soul are altered as a result of the labyrinth, but they're all present.
Kaname Madoka is a human being, not a doll, but yes, Homura is being just dumb.
Or she'll sit in the corner and cry because she's dead inside.
>But that's what makes her great.
It makes her simple and a carrier of tunnel vision.
She didn't develop at all because she was always simply obsessed with Madoka from friend to almost yandere state.
Homura has to realize that Madoka is not that good for her and her "love" and friendship is over. She has to move forward because Madoka is simply too plain, stupid and naive.
Why would Homu need to find someone to "love" instead of Madoka anyway? There's no point in that. She can live without love or her ONE AND ONLY FRIEND.
Homura said that she split the Law of Cycles, which IS Madoka. We *saw* the split.
The ribbons sealed Madokami away.
>She still doesn't want your dick, anon.
Too bad for her. Perhaps I should simply give it to Kyouko.
>Homura has to realize that Madoka is not that good for her and her "love" and friendship is over. She has to move forward because Madoka is simply too plain, stupid and naive.
That is fucking blasphemy, on MULTIPLE levels.
This is pretty much the typical anti-Homura fag argument.
Fuck off waifu fag, I'm tired of your stupid shit. Isn't their a thread you can masturbate in with your other circle jerking anti-character faggots?
The ribbons are just ribbons. Do you think that Madoka will be closer to getting her powers back if she takes them off? Which she does every night, after all.
>This is pretty much the typical anti-Homura fag argument.
I love Homura, but I acknowledge that what she did was very wrong. Homura chose to reduce Madoka to a mortal form, and to Akuma Homura, regular humans might as well be dolls now.
Without Madoka she might as well be dead.
Maybe the creepy devil girl lurking in her room while she sleeps will prevent that.
So why hasn't Homura used her timestop powers to creep and spy on Madoka yet?
Well if we go with that, then the ribbons are keeping the window closed that separates human Madoka and Madokami.
You can't expect a happy ending by doing what's wrong all the time either. Sometimes you need to loosen your standards for what constitutes a happy ending, rather than clinging to an idea of happiness that is no longer feasible.
Madoka should just remove herself and stop flying around like a queer goddess if you know what I mean.
Nice counter argument.
>Without Madoka she might as well be dead.
It's a common step in literature when a character has to overcome his losses and move forward. It develops a character way more than a frozen state of being depressed and obsessed like current Homu.
She's DELUDING herself because she's lazy and didn't even try to fight for her own sake.
Once she realizes that, she'll stop being a puppet who fights for someone and lives for someone. How noble. Yet so simplistic and dumb.
I really want to see her throwing Madoka away, it will be amazing.
Though Homura could have taken her AI YO power and asked first before doing anything to Madoka. I'm sure that Madoka would have acknowledged that the Incubators were a big problem, so that having some sort of power in the physical world to deal with them is worthwhile.
If Homura really throws Madoka away, it will be her final step in becoming a truly irredeemable devil, who despises Madoka, the universe, and herself and wishes to see only suffering and destruction.
>fight to save Madoka for fuck knows how many years by resetting time over and over
>welp, it's not like I need her anyway, guess I will just go to Starbucks!
Afterall all Homura is doing is for Madoka to be happy.
You really don't understand how Homu works.
>Madoka to a mortal form
Not really, Homura not even denied Madoka wish, Homura actually acknowledged Madoka wish as something needed, she denied only Madoka sacrifice, basically Madoka got her wish without drawback, yes Homura made a 'perfect world', she basically cheated, this is a world in which humans dreams comes true, unlike Madoka Homura sees no problem in denying world rules.
Here's something from the beginning of Chapter 8 of the manga.
"She's left... guided by the Law of Cycles."
"Idiot... We'd finally become friends..."
>You really don't understand how Homu works.
I understand it more than anyone in this thread that's why I wish her to work better instead of following your stupid simplistic anime shitty cliche without any development at all.
Homura is a stupid headstrong stubborn emo lesbian bitch.
"Madoka... Sounds kinda familiar, don't you think?"
Even if everyone in this world
I will remember her.
Prove it was rape.
>If Homura really throws Madoka away, it will be her final step in becoming a truly irredeemable devil, who despises Madoka, the universe, and herself and wishes to see only suffering and destruction.
Huh? That's fucking wrong.
She can simply find a boyfriend.
Did dividing melon bring Homura sweet dreams?
That's why we love her.
Without Madoka, Homura has literally nothing. There is nothing for her to turn to. Throwing away Madoka would be her own destruction. You'd have to hate her to want that.
While I wait for the inevitable end,
For the guidance of the Law of Cycles,
I dream of the moment
When I will reunite with that dearly-missed smile
>Homura actually acknowledged Madoka wish as something needed
We really don't know that because we don't know the actual state of the Law of Cycles.
You disgust me.
>Without Madoka, Homura has literally nothing.
Oh fuck off, I'm tired of your uneducated bullshit, you fucking blockhead apes.
How is homura Pragmatic?
Can someone explain without calling each other shitposters?
Wow, you sure told me.
Go get told on /gaia/, underage retard. Or at least try to use your underdeveloped ape brain once in a while, maybe you'll finally see something further than your own nose.
Holy shit Homu.
Sex with Homucifer would be painful and scarring even for Dokes. No thanks.
Holy shit, get out.
That's a strange way of saying "the best thing ever".
But the way Homura manages to achieve so much is through her love of Madoka, not by abandoning it.
She simply would not be Homura if she doesn't care about Madoka.
Ok, what Homura has in her life apart from Madoka?
dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
Maybe pragmatic isn't the best word.
>But the way Homura manages to achieve so much is through her love of Madoka
Yea, like becoming self-destructing batshit insane yandere Homucifer.
Good work, Madoka-san. Your friendship and love to Homura surely helped your friend a lot.
>>Without Madoka she might as well be dead.
Look retard Homura now is unable to chose, just like witches are nothing but grief Homura now is nothing but love directed towards Madoka, this is her entire existence now, just like witches die by giving them something able to end their grief, like giving a perfect world to Gretchen, the same may happen with Homura, making something able to stop her from loving Madoka will probably kill her for good.
>Ok, what Homura has in her life apart from Madoka?
Her own life and herself which is getting ignored by Homura because she doesn't think about herself and still deludes herself with bullshit like her undying love to Madoka.
And you are blaming Madoka now?
But now she's an awesome devil instead of a weak little girl.
She'll probably find new hobbies and interests now that she's basically won (for now). She won't need to hang around Madoka 24/7.
Homura did literally everything wrong.
Weird, the waifu fag has the same argument as the anti-Homura fags.
It's all bad, illegitimate, dumb, wrong. So she should, uh, go do something else.
She has no life, she never had a life, you don't understand Homu at all.
That doesn't actually answer the question. What is there in her life aside from Madoka?
Alright she does look like she's about to be traumatized.
More like be an obsessive stalker and follow Madoka around.
So people are just trolling using the word?
>just go outside and make friends, Homura!
Well, it may apply to some of Homura's actions, but surely not all of them.
She is on the edge all the time, she KNOWS that new situation is merely temporary, Madoka is trying to get her godhood back, if she lets her guard down Sayaka can somehow get her memories back and kick her ass, Incubators may still plot something too because I don't see them just following her now.
She has no time or peace of mind to look for new hobbies.
That's because Madoka stole it from Homu and that's why evil Shitdoka must be finally dethroned, destroyed and buried.
Homu has to realize that Madoka is the only true evil who ruins her life.
>Alright she does look like she's about to be traumatized.
Well, the last time, she couldn't handle the huge size of Homura's AI YO and was split apart.
Why is anyone responding to this guy?
>That doesn't actually answer the question. What is there in her life aside from Madoka?
Ask here: >>>/jp/
I can't waste my time on a casual normalshitter like you.
I know right? Only dick sucking faggots would respond to that guy.
>Homura did everything right
Aside from everything
Stop shitposting, samefag.
Wow, just wow, Homurafags are really fucking delusional.
This is a waifufag
But she got the perfect ending.
Could you please list them if they are not many?
HELL YEAH SEALDOKA!
That sounds kind of lewd.
You say that like they were different.
/a/ - anime fanfiction
Waifu fag is the anti-Homura fag you damn waifu fag shill.
Needs to be updated with Hase
I'm not a fan of rape. No thanks.
Well, she likes cats. That's the only thing that comes to mind.
But Hase is not a girl.
>You're tearing me apart!
>Wow, just wow, Homurafags are really fucking delusional.
There's nothing delusional in seeing how things truly work.
Delusional way of thinking is "hurr durr Homu+Madoka OTP epic"
Question to Homufags, you don't expect Madoka to be thankful for what Homura did if she gets her memories and godhood back right? Recently I've heard some Homufags pretty much argue that Madokami wanted the Rebellion to happen, pretty much stating she regretted her sacrifice. Despite saying in plain speech that she didn't regret a single thing she did while she killed her own witch.
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>Look, guise, Homura would be so much better in my fan fiction. She wouldn't even give a fuck about Madoka.
>Homura-chan! You're tearing me apart!
who are u quoting
>taking trolls seriously
anti-Madoka fags please go.
/jp/ please go.
I haven't watched the movie yet, but if Homu becomes so powerful that she can wipe MadoGod's memories, why doesn't she just hang out with Madokami in wherever it is she is? They could, like, be gods together or something.
I want Madokami to be mad at Homu and slap her back to Moemura.
Because Homura is dumb and hates the real Madoka, duh.
Gods have no vagoos.
No time for that! I have to protect Madoka!
The questions are could she really see everything in all possible timelines, and if so could she do something about it?
If the answers to both are yes, we can assume she wanted to be AI YO'd.
Homura won't forgive herself for what she's done.
She wouldn't have become a devil that way.
Ha! Fully clothed!
There was never any rape.
Homu has been proven innocent.
Because Homura is retarded.
She doesn't care about Madokami, she wants to keep Madoka as a human and safe from all threats magical or regular.
Samefag pls go
delusional homufag pls go
At least you don't deny samefagging.
The rape came later, and Homu can't be innocent anymore.
>Homura is about to kill shitty Madoka
>Sayaka kicks in
>"We knew from the beginning that there was something wrong with Homu, thank got we just saved the world from her"
>Madoka calls Sayaka her true best friend who never betrayed her
>No one remembers about Homu
Fucking Madoka ruins everything. As well as Sayaka.
Truly the worst characters of PMMM. I want them to get destroyed.
That's what the delusional was for.
What on earth is wrong with you?
I want to ruin you, you fucking baiting slut.
she wants to protect madoka, the madoka that she first met all those time loops ago
You're not even trying anymore.
Homura started a rebellion just because she wanted to dress slutty?
Yandere Madoka is best Madoka
This picture is retarded.
I think it's cute.
I liked it more when Madoka went crazy. Dat delicious pink.
Why do you people keep saying these horrible things?
Girls can loves other girls, but they most certainly cannot RAPE other girls, it is truly UNSPEAKABLE.
Sexual predator confirmed.
>Homura won't forgive herself for what she's done.
Wait, if it turns out that Madoka wanted all this why would Homura not forgive herself?
I really do hope this doesn't turn out to be what happens in whatever sequel comes up. I mean the ending to ep. 12 is already soured by Homura never having been even remotely content, but if they ruin Madokami's big scene by twisting it into a big regretful lie then the tv series will have no touching moments left; just empty lies with false smiles.
All those years spent as a frigid bitch built up.
She has no choice but to whore her body for eternity in order to release that tension
All the better to...?
AI YO with.
eat her out with
Homura turned herself into something horrible. Surely she can rape Madoka with devil magic.
The more pure and innocent something is, the more satisfying it is to AI YO
>implying Kyoko isn't the one who would do the eating
She was jealous of Madokami's cleavage.
Why can't Madoka just die and stop ruining Homu's life?
If anyone's eating anything, it's Nagisa.
Because she hates herself.
Anyone have the "I don't give one solitary fuck" Homuhomu gif?
But she did
>Why can't Madoka just die and stop ruining Homu's life?
She did. Many many times. It didn't work.
Oh no, not again.
Anon who hasn't watched the movie yet here again. How is it that Homu got so powerful she could beat god anyway? She wasn't even the strongest magical girl in the original run; she just had a really good ability.
Bitch lives as a god now so she refused to die properly.
>instead of Madoka protecting me, I want to be strong enough to go back and protect her
> if she gets her memories and godhood back right?
just misread this as madoka getting her godhand back
A sneak peek of what to expect from Homura in the sequel.
Deus ex Machina aka AI YO.
I'll enjoy it more when Madoka finally snaps, regains her powers and turns into an even greater bitch.
what part of AI YO don't you understand?
Madoka saved her by becoming goddess, and she seemed to get Madoka-like powers in the new universe.
All I have is this.
She overloaded her soul gem with LOVE, an emotion stronger than both hope and despair, and split Madoka when her guard was down.
>Homu goes full DARKNESS
>S2 goes full shounen with the two of them trying to take over everything and kill the other
>finally ends with them having vicious hatesex
Evil Madoka is something I'd very much like to see.
Enough with the fucking RAPE.
G-girls can't do that kind of thing.
I doubt we'll see Evil Madoka, but we could get ENRAGED Goddess of Destruction Madoka.
But Homura did it, she literally rape Madoka apart.
It must happen, a goddess only has so much patience.
Both would be acceptable.
Simon was obsessed with Kamina just like Homu with Madoka.
Kamina died. Simon cried.
Simon didn't shit his pants and instead he became stronger.
So why do you blockhead retards think that Homu can't live without Madoka? Because you are so simple-minded and uneducated?
Oh, I got it. Americans hate books so you probably never experienced such common plots.
>other magical girls and Kyuubi race decide that Evil Madoka is more of a threat than Homu
>last episode is all of them teaming up on Madoka
>Homu starts to pull back from the DARKNESS
>Kyuubi race sees how good it can be to not be manipulative cunts
>everything seems to be working out
>Madoka being forced back due to Homu and MAGICAL TECHNOLOGY
>final few moments of the last episode
>Homu smiles and reaches down her hand to a defeated Madoka to help her back to her feet
>all her friends behind her smiling after a hard fight
>entire universe dims
>"There's more than one way to be a God, Homura-chan."
>suddenly Goddess Gretchen
>continued in season three
>that head tilt
>that sadistic grin
I am both aroused and terrified.
>Aren't you angry, Madoka? Aren't you upset? After everything I've done, are you still so calm and forgiving? You're not even human!
>I'm not angry, Homura-chan. I'M FURIOUS!
Homura doesn't care about anything or one but Madoka. If Madoka is gone, she doesn't think she has a reason to live. It would be really interesting to see her do something that has nothing to do with Madoka, but it will never happen.
Men can move on and become stronger silly. Women are dependent by nature, its encoded in their genetics.
I think you're forgetting the part where timeloop drive you crazy.
How does the rebellion movie relate to the story of Faust?
Homura isn't like Simon. She chose to become the Spiral Nemesis.
Wasn't that about Homura's lewd dress?
She'd make the perfect waifu for Homura that way.
It really doesn't. Faust didn't double-cross the Devil and manage to cast God down from Heaven.
Urobuchi loves using guns as imagery for pragmatism.
Also Homura is very aloof about everything Kyubey hides. Even as Moemura when Madoka turns into a witch and teaches Homura the truth of puella magi, she doesn't break down, she just resets and keeps on going. She doesn't mind being a lich like the other girls. She understands and fully accepts the cost she paid for her miracle and uses it as a tool for her ends.
That said, I agree that Homura isn't a true pragmatist. She doesn't use 'any means necessary' until it's the very last resort, and her cold exterior comes more from being a defeatist who recognizes that magical girls can never live happy lives and so her driving motivation is to prevent Madoka from ever falling prey to that cycle of hope and despair.
>Homura doesn't care about anything or one but Madoka. If Madoka is gone, she doesn't think she has a reason to live.
So what, it's the same with Simon x Kamina.
>all those QBs
How does he even grant those wishes? Does he use a Mr. Meeseeks or something?
>tfw Madoka getting angry could be considered character development
Why must she be so simple and saintly?
tag your madokas
It doesn't, Rebellion relate to The Nutcracker.
His handle is @Butch_Gen. He's always been self-aware. He didn't want his name to get leaked before Madoka aired.
Did Simon go back in time, destroying so many time lines it created a Kamina-God?
If not, 0/10 stronger means shit if you can't change anything.
>goddess Gretchen takes Homura prisoner in her new universe
Why though? She is capable of doing jack shit on her own.
I don't want to meet the fucker who could mentally withstand this unless they'll take me straight to to 2D world.
>Wasn't that about Homura's lewd dress?
No, Homura tricked her with a painted black Soul Gem because she wanted to Double Luminous with Madokami and human Madoka.
And now you know why Homura did it at the end of Rebellion.
but old testament jew god bullshit is not Madoka
you niggers just want Madoka to hate Homura like you do
>wanting to have the sequel be just a flip-flop of Rebellion
>wanting to wait another 5 years for an actual conclusion
I just want the ride to end...
I don't think it's like that. I think /a/ just really likes violent lesbians.
There is no getting off Mr Bones Wild Ride.
I want Madoka to acknowledge some kind of hurt feelings for Homura not putting her trust in Madoka's actions. I don't need Madoka to not forgive Homura, but for god sake at least scowl and maybe slap her once for all the shit she did before going into full hugs and forgiving mode.
Dude, she didn't move ten inches until like the 9th episode.
I want to lick her rib cage.
Do you get off on shitposting?
>Homura was a skeleton all along.
I fucking knew it. Never trust women.
Few shows feature a MC who's essentially a plot device. This is one of them.
>you just want Madoka to hate Homura like you do
not a trust issue, you're just making that up
Even though you'll never put on a trip, filtering 'Fuck Off' ought to hide about half of your shitty, bigoted, ad hominem posts.
>Defending the waifu fag shitposter
Why are you so pathetic?
So that's a yes.
I'm shitposting but at least I'm right.
>mfw I thought third movie was supposed to be healing encore to series
>mfw the ride never ends
Just fuck off.
Why isn't there a broken trust issue present? Is it because Madoka forced her world on Homura?
Make me faggot
Homu got her Madoka back and that's all that counts.
That sounds about right
>fuck you're 100 timelines of trying to save me from dying, I'll make a contract with kyubey
We really need to repeat that Urobuchi wanted to make a happy ending for the movie every thread?
Odd question to ask, but I gotta wonder, to those who were lucky enough to watch it in theaters, what aspect ratio was Rebellion in?
Already seen the camrip, but I was wondering how much all the camripfags missed out on.
If he did, he wouldn't have taken $hinbo's advice.
maybe the world you're looking for is conflict
The camrip is like 1/4th of the whole screen.
did you see the film in theaters?
But she didn't know anything about that at the time, she only learned about it when she became Madokami, if anything Homura is the only one with a trust issue.
I missed out on Rebellion but the other two films were full 16:9 frames(it's not like they cropped them for home releases) so I'd assume Rebellion was produced and projected in 1.78.
1.85 I believe but >>100689306
was it in 2.35:1?
>Homu = Simon
I can think of a half-dozen better analogies off the top of my head, you dirty mongrel.
Gutts, Chikane, Rue/Kraehe, Lain, Yuno, Tomoyo, Yuki--oops, that was seven.
Also, Homura didn't shit her pants either, she became much, much stronger through her love. Go read some Nietzsche.
Homura told her in episode 10 at least, but she didn't see it for herself.
Nice straw man. I didn't even read the post you replied to. Your insults are simply so stale that they're recognizable.
>you'll never take a shower with Mami
Are you really so stupid that you think everyone who says "Fuck off" is the same person?
>You will never chew on Mami's freshly washed hair
What are you doing, then? I'm mocking the waifu fag who says Homura's feelings for Madoka are shit and she needs to get a boyfriend.
He deserves to be mocked. Sometimes you need the ad hominem to see where the shitposters are coming from.
But Yuno never goes through any suffering.
You should really stop posting.
>you will never be raped by homu
Nagisa pls go, nobody love you.
As long as we can agree that waifu fags are shit.
If not, I'm afraid I can't retire.
No ones interested in meta shitposting with you. Please stop forcing waifufags vs yurifags.
I think you're the only one forcing meta shit. I'm just attacking waifu fags who want to write their own fan fiction Homura that doesn't give a shit about Madoka.
Why defend them?
That doesn't explain much since most of the Evangelion 3.33 Rebuild promos were in that ratio, but it was scope when you watched the actual film.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
When posting on an anonymous board, you should avoid first person personal pronouns like 'I'. In other word, stop samefagging. Go away.
Obviously you can never assume, but sometimes there are general trends in shitposting and it's fun to try to spot returnees. Like there's one anon who can never finish a debate without resorting to ad hominem and non-anime reaction images.
There was one particularly frustrated Sayakafag back in Rebellion spoiler threads after the Elevens' premiere. They seem to have cooled off, but man were they mad about 'The Pandering Story' and the 'retcon of the theater scene'.
>you should avoid first person personal pronouns like 'I'.
What? Are you retarded?
>Not referring to yourself in the third-person to seem cuter
Do you even into /a/? I think we've got a wolf in sheep's clothing, little girls.
The point is that you're not supposed to refer to yourself at all.
>The point is that you're not supposed to refer to yourself at all.
what the fuck is this anon reading?
Refer to yourself to express an idea is totally valid, what the fuck are you talking about.
Learn English please.
Need to be a little more insulting for me to listen.
Guys lets just post otp.
What's up? What is the connection between those two posts? They don't seem related on the surface. Did they both reply to you?
If the opinion is relevant to the topic, sure. However, referring to yourself to express your intent to insult others is identity whoring. No one needs to know your personal mission in life is shitposting on /a/.
Kyousuke and Sayaka.
>What is the connection between those two posts?
>you should avoid first person personal pronouns like 'I'
> I didn't even read the post you replied to
>implying a woman can ever love a man as much as his violin does
Cute picture btw, I want Sayaka as my childhood friend...
Well, I kinda like Kyou(suke)Saya, but is it really a good time to post it?
>Loving a zombie
The connection between the two is that one post uses first-person pronouns and the other decries them? That's not a very unique connection; you could link the second post with millions of posts that have been made on /a/. Lots of people use first-person language.
Therefore, there has to be some other reason why you picked those two posts specifically.
If you say so.
Kyouko to the rescue.
What the fuck is that?
The original KyouSaya is much more interesting than the pandering Rebellion forced KyouSaya.
Would genderswap Kyousuke be called Kyouko, and vice-versa?
Kyousuke is a faggot. Sayaka deserves better.
Get out of here.
"suke" is a common name ending for boys, as "ko" for girls. So a genderswap Kyouko would be Kyousuke and viceversa.
>gender swapping magical girls
stop doing that
Maybe if the series ever featured the girls growing up. But Kyousuke is not fit for a serious relationship. Heartthrob musicians like him get girls to swoon over them without ever giving a shit, so they never learn how to work for a relationship.
The series implies it, Word of God agrees, and Rebellion confirms it.
Please stop poster heterosexual shit.
I've seen male Kyouko as Kyoutaro to differentiate, which is fine. For Kyousuke, I have no idea what they call him as a female, and it doesn't help that there's only about six images of him as a woman and one as a futanari out there to begin with.
Why don't you like him?
KyouSaya : 恭さや
KyouSaya : 杏さや
Learn the difference. Well, I copied them from pixiv. So, whatever.
Kyousuke doesn't have time for your jealousy anon, he has music to perform.
Can't find a fuck to give, sorry.
He makes no effort to be a good romantic partner for anyone. He just cares about his stupid violin. Would it kill him to at least try?
I would get out of Homu. I would leave her alone so she can think about her actions. Yes, I would give her the silent treatment, The ultimate form of discipline.
>But Kyousuke is not fit for a serious relationship.
Not enough about him is revealed for that assumption to be mad.
>Rebellion confirms it.
Having a job doesn't make you unfit.
>Their relationship is being continued, it's pandering!
And you just care about your stupid whatever it is your care about.
>Kyosuke at his deathbed, all alone
>realizes the error of his ways
>tries to fuck his violin
Look, he's allowed to be into his violin, but that's literally all there is to his character. He apparently has no other motivation in his life. I don't know why he even agreed to date Hitomi, she'll just get in the way of anything he actually cares about.
I like Madoka Portable's tongue-in-cheek explanation.
Discard bitches, acquire dreams, you simply don't understand a man's heart.
Kyousuke likes Sayaka and he has friends. It's just that playing the violin is the most important thing to him. He's just like anyone else really.
Is there any MoemuraKyousuke hospital shipping? I think that would be interesting.
>He apparently has no other motivation in his life.
Yeah, it's not like he was in an accident where he almost lost the only thing that he cares for.
>Kyousuke likes Sayaka
Does he? The gratitude he shows her after all that time she spent looking after him was incredibly token. He shows absolutely no actual affection towards Hitomi when they start dating. That damn phonecall was cringeworthy.
I don't see why else he'd hang out with her all the time.
Uh...when does that happen?
Fuck you, Sid.
Kyousuke wants to get his hands cured so he can play violin again.
Homura wants her heart cured so she can achieve her dream of dancing ballet.
After they get miraculously healed, they perform in the Nutcracker together.
Only as a friend, he doesn't think Sayaka will see him as anything more than a friend.
I don't think it's that bad. He has some distorted priorities but Hitomi is assertive, so she'll probably bag his heart within a few months.
Time for that rewatch, anon.
Well they are hanging out at the end of Rebellion, which is a world more real than the isolation chamber in the beginning.
Not sure if them hanging out at that exact moment for Sayaka was Homura meddling or not though.
Best Clara Dolls.
>her dream of dancing ballet.
Homura actually likes ballet? I thought that was just some random 2deep4u stuff that Shaft threw in.
No, not really.
No, she cures her heart problem so she can become a professional golfer.
No, that was something humorous yet plausible-enough-for-shipping that I just made up, considering how much singing and dancing was involved in Homura's ideal dream world.
Of course. Madoka character can't like anything that doesn't have to do with the plot. God forbid they become people.
>Liking anything not Madoka related
Madoka's outfit screams "ballerina" to me.
So, who gonna win da Kyousukeowl?
>considering how much singing and dancing was involved in Homura's ideal dream world.
It does make sense. Homura shaped the world subconsciously.
To be fair, Hitomi didn't put much effort on that call either, she gave up when Kyousuke said he had practiced instead of trying to go visit him in the studio and make lunch for him or something.
How did Sayaka get knocked out if her mind is supposed to be in her soul gem?
Nakazawa, since Kyousuke is actually gay.
Honestly I'd love for that ballet thing to canonly be something she liked before becoming Madoka obsessed.
That way you get some sense that her hospitalized period of her life wasn't just doing/enjoying nothing waiting until Madoka appears in her life.
How did Sayaka not find out about Homura's power when Homura stopped time to get her out of the way?
She wasn't conscious of anything that happened when Madoka threw her, either.
My guess is that there's a link and that the body has to actually die before it's severed and the soul gem wakes up. Makes sense, considering that soul gems can't just possess anything they want to.
That post was a joke, there's nothing that suggests she likes ballet, anon, contains your autism.
Homura created the world in side of the isolation field. It's her ideal world and it's full of dancing and music and she does ballet at the end.
We don't really know what the hell happened there since we weren't shown Homura's perspective. It might be something silly like Homura breaking that pipe to Hydro Pump Sayaka out of the way.
It's like the Matrix where your mind makes it real.
>chop to the back of neck instantly knocks out
Why do anime do this?
Easier to animate than vulcan neck pinch
The 10-12 years of doing nothing but repeating her life after March 16th and the extra few years of fighting wraiths constantly probably made her forget about, well, pretty much everything before that.
She simply hasn't had the free time, but maybe if the new world is peaceful for even a little bit she'll find out that fun things are fun.
She lassoed Sayaka then dragged her a few feet with the BDSM gear she had on hand.
MUST BE WAY BACK
I don't think she can have fun, the only fun she knows is with Madoka.
She split the world in half, and then put the pieces back together backwards.
Homura is simply gorgeous in that dress. When will Madoka stop worrying and learn to love the Homu?
Homura has fun with cats.
>that sexy hog
The really sad thing about the fake world was that it showed she could get along with everyone and have fun.
Homura is like an alcoholic.
Fun things are fun, but fun things with alcohol are better.
Yes she does.
Seeing as how Shinbo is letting the fanbase control the series, it would be nice if Homura expresses that she likes guns.
Man, that dude's mirin' Homura's trigger discipline.
Are you talking about Amy? Amy was te cat that Madoka save, so yeah, she only can have fun with Madoka.
No, she likes actual cats. Not Madoka dressed up as a cat. Real cats.
Homura liked Amy before she met Madoka. Also, Madoka asked her if she likes cats and she responded yes.
>Homura is like an alcoholic.
The first step is to admit to having a problem?
>implying she wouldn't like Madoka dressed up as a cat
I never cared for Moemura as much because I detested the opinion that she's the 'real' Homura, as if Moemura wasn't just shy, frail, and self-doubting because of her sad childhood and social exclusion.
Why would you want to go back to Moemura and undevelop Homura's character?
But Rebellion showed a Moemura who can smile, but isn't the clumsy, pitiable, inept girl she used to be, and I learned to like her.
Then this happened. Don't even start with Hanokage's take on things. 2despair5me
>the opinion that she's the 'real' Homura
That stupid idea has nothing to do with Moemura. Why would you let the stupidity of others get in the way of loving the cutest Homu?
>Madoka picks up the gas mask, trying to connect with Homura's interests
Anyone else gunning for a healing-type Season 2?
I always thought /k/ was way too obsessed with the idea of trigger discipline, but my friend in basic tells me a lot of kids really don't get the concept even after it's drilled into their heads.
That idea was part of the manga end with Homura reverting to Moemura, but from what I've heard the Rebellion manga alludes to that scene basically saying it never actually happened and instead she went to the isolation chamber to become a witch.
>from what I've heard the Rebellion manga alludes to that scene basically saying it never actually happened and instead she went to the isolation chamber to become a witch.
The manga ending was continued again in the Rebellion manga, as part of Homura's witch breakdown suicide nightmare.
>Anyone else gunning for a healing-type Season 2?
Only if it ends mid-way by slamming Homura back into reality by showing how fucked the universe is because of her Rebellion. I refuse to accept that the only problem a sequel should have is internal turmoil from Homura, something bad had to have happened when you put Madoka's happiness as priority over the rest of the universe.
The jump cut right to the gun, and the blood from the fingers forming prison bars are nice touches.
Poor Hanokage, given she seems to be a huge MadoHomu fan.
Not bad. Not only healing though, but just more characterization. We still don't know a whole lot about any of the megucas. Also, trigger discipline is fun.
You'd have to get in line for that. Along with all the seiyuus and pretty much the entire cast that also loves her of course.
The idea with Moemura is that she's the purest Homura, the one that never experienced the suffering of being a magical girl, is basically the same opinion that Homura has about Madoka and Madokami.
I always saw Moemura as all of the frailty, shortcomings, that Homura left behind.
Somehow the thought never occurred that Homura can braid her hair and wear glasses without her personality inexplicably regressing.
Again, it was just dumb on my part and Rebellion showed me up.
Yet another of the "diverging endings" being centralized into the Rebellion story. By which I mean that interview that claimed the tv series, manga are all different continuities from the movies. What a load of shit.
No thanks. They'll all live happy lives and return to Yuri Valhalla once they die of old age.
Just kidding, it'll probably be maximum suffering and I'm cool with that. I'm just getting the optimism out of my system until then.
Just because x can follow y perfectly doesn't mean that it does. They're separate continuities if you want them to be. Get over it.
The samefags who replied to that were too obvious.
same, its strange for the sequel I'll enjoy whatever moments of happiness that will show up (even if it is shallow/false from Homura) but it's the one time I'm waiting for the suffering to equalize everything and leave a more satisfying conclusion.
I don't hate Homura, fixing things so a close person doesn't have to sacrifice themselves is generally a good intention. However with Madokami quickly trying to bond with Madoka again and Sayaka obviously angry over what she did I feel it'd be wrong if the universe actually was running smoothly as Homura claimed it was.
Every get has samefagging. Doesn't make it any less glorious to watch.
Yeah but there was like 3 guys replying to it over and over while no one else cared. Pretty shit.
Madoka is essentially the same person before and after ascension. The only change of note is that she gains some confidence after becoming a magical girl / Madokami, but the change isn't significant enough to where she needs to be Madokami to be happy. She's a pretty damn happy girl compared to the others. No middle-school girl is going to be distraught because they don't have their life choices mapped out.
However, Moemura always struck me as the result of Homura's true self being suppressed by social isolation, bullying, self-loathing, etc.
I'd rather someone breaks her new universe rather than it crumbling on it's own. It'd be nice if for once Homura did something that worked.
Not even going to bother trying to figure out if it's a guy.
I'd love to dress in Mami or Homura cosplay and just stare at myself in a mirror.
Five in the very least.
Incubators could let a girl have a dark wish? (Like killing someone to save someone else)
They are uninterested in humans and so neutral that would not care for the type of the desire right?
Are you willing to bare the endless "X (most likely Sayaka) is such a bitch ruining Homura's paradise!"
I can assure you it will never end.
You're going to bring this up every time someone posts that image, aren't you?
We can't help you sort out how you see the continuities of the series and what impact the series and the movies left on you. That's your subjective deal, and that's cool.
But... why are you letting Word of God decide your enjoyment of an inherent work?
Believe in separate canons because you enjoy the series more that way, not because Shinbo told you to.
Reminder that Augustus defeated Egypt, Mark Antony, and a Magical Girl queen.
I dunno. Isn't it better if Homura finds out that she really hurt Madoka by tearing her apart, rather than learning that she did some unspecified damage to the universe?
Yes, they'd probably even be fine with "I wish everyone in my school died."
Magic equivalent of a school shooting.
I don't really mind. If this fanbase gets any worse I'll just stop lurking the threads anyway. A good story that upsets many fans is much better than a bad story that pleases many fans.
Man id love to watch a cleopatra magica
That was the first time I've cared about a get in years. Dubshit ruined it all.
...I don't know why I only just realize this now, but isn't that my nostalgia talking? Gets were 90% failures just like dubs are now.
I'll need a more detailed explanation. You mean like Homura seeing human Madoka becoming depressed because she feels unfulfilled and useless?
If you mean Homura noticing that Madokami can't function properly, I would put that as causing damage to the universe.
No, Madokami (or at least a re-merged Madoka with full memory) will feel very hurt, betrayed, and even violated by what Homura did to her. That's what Homura has to realize and apologize for.
The problem here is:
"If magical girls are said to be born from positive desires like wishes, then witches are born from negative desires like curses."
"Magical girls spread hope, where witches spread despair."
"And to make matters worse, they can't be seen by normal humans."
"Doubt and suspicion, extreme anger and hate. They bring seeds of catastrophe to this world."
- Kyubey, Episode 2.
Also can Puella Magi kill humans with their magic?
I just played Long Live the Queen, maxed out military and economics and wrecked the magicfags. Feels good man
>Also can Puella Magi kill humans with their magic?
Yes, Sayaka do it.
>"If magical girls are said to be born from positive desires like wishes, then witches are born from negative desires like curses."
>"Magical girls spread hope, where witches spread despair."
Seems like this was an incomplete truth to hide where witches *really* come from. Why should a wish have to be nice?
Ok now that I know what you mean then I can say this. I would accept that there is nothing wrong with the universe Homura made if they did go the route you just said with Madoka actually feeling hurt, betrayed, violated, ect.
Just seeing them speak as equals with Madoka's feelings hurt and Homura trying to understand/eventually apologies would be worth any plot where the universe is collapsing on itself.
Actually if you read the interview Shinbo said she didn't kill. Only in the manga she actually kills.
Death of the author etc etc. It's left ambiguous for a reason. Shinbo can fuck off for trying to ruin that because he's a Sayakafag.
I don't take Madoka as that kind of shallow person. She's extremely empathetic and whenever something bad happened to her in the series, her response was always, "Poor ____" or "Hidoi yo".
Mami tries to kill everyone? "This is so sad!" Homura treats Madoka with coldness and condescension? "I'll never forget you either, Homura!" Sayaka essentially calls her a worthless crybaby? "Poor Sayaka..."
Face it, Madoka is a cute little ball of compassion.
>and even violated by what Homura did to her.
I don't think that will be the case at all, I'm not even sure if she will feel betrayed because the most likely is that she will understand that Homura did it for her, she certainly will feel hurt though.
Not really, he didn't deny it nor confirm it.
It would be interesting to see Madoka get angry.
It's not something that Madoka wouldn't be able to forgive Homura for, but it's a deeper, more personal hurt. The way it was shown was disturbing and rape-ish, and by doing it Homura was rejecting the complete Madoka in favor of her own personal Madoka over whom she has almost total power. Homura and Sayaka's harsh remarks are nothing compared to it, and Madoka killed Mami before any emotional confrontation could be made.
The problem is wouldn't having Madoka speak like she always does just reach deaf ears to Homura? I mean if the conclusion will be Madokami just forgiving Homura like always then we may as well have just ended it on the purification scene in Rebellion for all the rest of the story mattered.
even with all those other moments the first anon mentioned, I think the concluding speech between these two needs to be more than Madoka giving a sweetened talk to Homura. There should be some bitterness, sadness, and perhaps even anger from Madoka.
There is almost no suspense about Madoka forgiving Homura, pretty much everyone knows she will forgive. The least they can do is have them talk it out a bit first and show Madoka genuinely upset at Homura instead of at her actions.
If the wish was utilitarian it would work, because Urobuchi world. If the net output is hopeful, I should think it'll work.
>Take care of yourself Homura!
Any sort of wish is hopeful by definition, right? Because you hope it will come true. Even if it's a monstrous one.
>What was that Madoka?
>"Do me and keep me in your ideal world"
Madoka is the cutest.
>rejecting the complete Madoka in favor of her own personal Madoka
They are the same. Also, I highly doubt Homura's actions are so easy to interpret as that. In fact, she reminds me of Chikane.
I'd never think that Madoka's compassion will solve everything, just that she will always be waiting with open arms for Homura.
I just don't see it, she's not that kind of person, she's a saint, she will probably be angry with himself for putting Homura in that situation instead of getting angry at Homura for the decisions she make, she is quite similar to Homura in that aspect.
I think the difference between hope and despair is more morally guided than that. Rather, in Madoka's world, wouldn't someone who wants to shoot up their school be on that train of thought because they're being affected by the curses of mankind?
If what you propose is true, then Kyubey's job would be easy because he could just contract girls who are being controlled by witches' kisses and watch them turn into witches themselves a day later.
>Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Homura's AI is false.
Madokami is the only true love.
That quote is so bad.
2/3 is fair enough, I could see some self-anger at maybe not being able to foresee how badly life was for Homura in her new world. The main thing is it can't be a sugar coated comforting speech like the Space hug, Homura needs to be told what ways she hurt Madoka and then have them both discuss their grievances as equals.
This kinda of conclusion pretty much would guarantee a Dualist godhood ending right?
Help! I can't remember here.
Are soul gems or grief seeds invisible to normal humans or they are able to see them?
did you not like the space hug?
Oh no I loved the space hug, but Rebellion showed it wasn't enough to really help Homura live in a world without Madoka.
good thing they are together again
If I recall, they normally can't see either, but Kyubey is able to make them aware of it, e.g. Madoka / Sayaka before they contract.
Just exactly what part of Homura's love for Madoka isn't beautiful?
I wouldn't take this at face value, but I remember sometime in Madoka Portable that Sayaka accidentally drops her soul gem in front of Kyousuke and he says that it looked beautiful, like "something that doesn't even belong in this world".
Which doesn't help Sayaka at all with her identity crisis.
>Just exactly what part of Homura's love for Madoka isn't beautiful?
It's beautiful but terrible to behold, like Galadriel with the One Ring.
Damn, I gave up
I'll take what I can get.
Thanks for what you did, knowing Madoka was shopping for a Christmas present is more than just pure runes.
Can you at least post the translation?
The thing I'm confused about is the part at the end when they're talking at school. We see Homura suppress either Madoka's link to the law of cycles, or the law of cycles within her - so which is it? Is the law of cycles still active if Madoka is suppressed like this? Is Homura merely blocking their connection, or is the law of cycles actually trapped within Madoka and unable to perform its function?
Homura claims that the Law of Cycles still performs its duty of purging witches before they're born. Nothing in Rebellion seems to show otherwise, therefore from what we know now the Law of Cycles is still functioning but it seems adamant to bond with Madoka again.
Here's a question of my own, so the pink spool that is locked inside Homura's Demon gem is human Madoka or Madokami?
>Here's a question of my own, so the pink spool that is locked inside Homura's Demon gem is human Madoka or Madokami?
It's purely symbolic so it could be either or both. Though I think that it's human Madoka, since Homura was so enamored of it and danced with it, in her Dark Orb, in the post-credits scene.
Yeah that makes sense, it fits more with the "locking her in a gilded cage" idea too.
She knows how to use it...
She's taking care not to put her finger on the trigger, like it's second nature to her...
Does she work... as a mercenary or something?
I... I want to be a Grade A magical girl,
like you, Homura-chan...
The qualifications of a pro (magical girl)...
...10% talent. 20% effort... And 30% cowardice...
The remaining 40%...
Is warmer than hope, deeper than despair...
Homura-chan, you're amazing
If Madoka wakes up to her true self, she will grow back another Law of the Cycle, and we'll be left with two Ultimate Madokas