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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
#l/a/nguage on irc.rizon.net
Pastebin
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Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/100599500/
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I like dicks
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Get out weeaboo.
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>を
It's definitely wo.
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ゐゑゐゑゐゑゐゑゐゑゐゑゟ
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>>100654481
㍑ What the hell did japs hid in all the Unicode?
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がんばれ みんなさん (*^_^*)
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>>100654854
Shit, forgot pic.
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>>100654854
NO FUCK YOU

I WON'T DO MY REPS TODAY JUST BECAUSE OF THIS POST
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So, which djt did this happen in?
http://www.imabi.net/apps/forums/topics/show/12191095-dear-stupid-4chan-users?page=last
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>>100654993
Why is he trying to learn Japanese if he hasn't mastered English yet?
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>>100654993
>ROAR
imabi fukken dropped
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>>100654993
Is this site any good for learning moon? I dunno, I'm kinda getting an idiot savant vibe.
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>>100655091
It's obtuse, the layout is more PD than walmart shoppers, he regularly uses english and japanese terminology interchangeably that aren't, and puts things in kana that don't need to be considering rikai exists.

Other than that, it's better than the DoJG as far as breadth and depth go. Great reference resource, but for acting like it's a comprehensive guide, you have to already be familiar with the grammar to understand how he explains it because he's an autist.
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>>100654993
Let's raid their shitty site.
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>>100655302
Not your personal army.
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>>100655302

Kill yourself.
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how to u say "like this?" in japanese
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>>100655351
>>100655377
Fags
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>>100655049
>learn Japanese

Teach.

>site owner
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>>100655382
このままで。
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>>100655382
これで is one way, but you can come up with others based on the context I would think.
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>>100655382
Konnakanji seems often used with "like this" but then again, I only learned my Japanese from anime and I just passed by your post on the first page.
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>>100655263
The shitty layout reminds me, how can I override the browser opening a new window every time I click a fucking link on any japanese website? It's like they hate clean interfaces.
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>>100654993
What a bully
ひどい~!
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>>100655382
I may be wrong but I think you should/can use よう.
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>>100655382
こう?
Like this?
こうやって?
Is this how your do it?

>>100655412
>このままで
>Keep doing it like this
>>100655425
>これで
Now/With this (done)
>>100655509
こんな感じ
This is about right.
こんな感じ?
Is this (about) right?
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>>100655412
>>100655425
>>100655509
>>100655600

hmm... four different answers haha

let me put it this way

your friend ask u to do a v sign pose and you reply with "like this?"
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>>100655792
こっち?
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>>100655792
Is your friend asking you to ahegao?
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>>100655792
「これでいい?」 is the closest to what you're trying to say
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>>100655792
> friend
What kind of friend?
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>>100655792
Don't listen to this >>100655600

I have no idea what I'm saying. In fact, I would appreciate if someone could say if I am at least not completly wrong.
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>>100655708
>>100655816
>>100655916
>>100655969
>>100656027

Thank You :)
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Anything wrong with learning kanji in a random order?
I'm using "[guciek] Japanese - 2136 Jouyou Kanji" deck.

I couldn't find any shared decks with 2136 cards in a proper order (for example class based).
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>>100656280
Class based is a shitty order anyway. You can learn then by radical order aka kanjidamage, but I think most of the people use the core that in my opinion has a shitty order too.

So I would say order doesn't really matter as much as everything else.
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>>100656370
Thank you.
I tried Kanjidamage but the back sides are retarded.

I'll stick with this one.
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>>100656457
I like the order in Kanjidamage, but the site overall has so many mistakes that using it is almost a suicide for someone new.
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>>100656591

From what I can tell, all the readings are correct and the jukugo and kunyomi given on the cards are taken straight from a dictionary.
Just the mnemonics and keywords are a bit strange, but they're just meant to let you remember them better.

If you mean the whole introduction and facts page, that may be, but I'm just using the Anki deck for the purpose of recognizing kanji for vocab more easily anyway.
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>>100654993
>Found some more garbage on 4chan about my site today. Apparently I don't touch. Wonder what all this is. I speak English and Japanese, which is something that if the majority of them would say would be a lie.

>Apparently I interchange non-synonymous terminology. I would like proof of that. Apparently I'm a savant now, too. No, it's more like they're waiting on their epiphany moment and it's never come.

>mfw
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>>100656591
Or you could just use other sources to look up the things that seem fishy or unclear to you. It's not like you have to take every single thing in KD as fact.
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>>100656591
Why does it only have 1700/2136 kanji though?
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>>100656751

Apparently the rest of the jouyou isn't that important. I'm still going through the "booster pack" Anon made to cover the rest, though.
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>>100656694
How will anyone new be able to identify something fishy?
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>>100656833
Well if we're talking about some of his weirder definitions like "to hella do" then it's fairly obvious. Otherwise you're going to have to tell me exactly what mistakes you're referring to to begin with.
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>>100656171
:^) you're welcome
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Why is 討死 marked as "sensitive"?
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>>100656675
I'd love go and have a discussion with him, but that involves signing up and he's clearly already lurking here so here goes.

IMABI admin, your resource is one of the most thorough on the web, but a bit difficult to understand at times without already having a background in japanese grammar terminology not used often enough in other resources.

Also, you shouldn't take the words of a few as representative of the whole, especially if they aren't addressing you directly. It's as bad of form as blogging about complaints to people you can ban for disagreeing with you.

Self-moderated anonymous discussion like this is a powerful tool for identifying resources that are valuable from trash that other communities chew on because someone with a lot of posts and a gold star next to their name said was good. That one where people 'know' all the kanji but can't speak a word of japanese comes to mind.

If you want to challenge any assertions, feel free to make a tripcode here and watch legitimate debate spring forth. Or, you can anonymously shit on other resources while highlighting why yours is better. Either way, speaking to your community about ours in the way you are will only lead to hardship.
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>>100656675
>Apparently I'm a savant now, too
He responded to my post? I've never heard of this guy before in my life. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, Imabi admin-kun.
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>>100658464
I know, I feel bad. It would have been great to have someone who could answer questions with a link to something that isn't a vague explanation in japanese that no beginner can understand.
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Thought I'd share a fun sentence.

「女は髪の命……いや、髪は女の命なんだよな。そいつが糞まみれになったということは、おまえ自身がうんこになったも同然だな!」
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>>100658573
>It would have been great

No thanks. We don't need forum celebrities with retardedly inflated egos around here.
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ねこがこね
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>>100658689
It would have been great because trying to search for anything you don't already understand is a fucking pain on any site, especially one with that much information. And forum celebs usually don't last long under the weight of cited and sourced debate tearing them to shreds.
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この語は死んでです。
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>>100659014
>死んでです

wwww
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ahgay
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生活を送る
生活をする
水活を暮らす

どっちですか?
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クソコテハンはお断り
いまびさんって、ちょっと落ち着いてほしいんだけど
ちょっとだけの悪口であんなにキレるとはね
/a/に向いてないと思うよね
とりあえず、あのサイト、一回しか読んでないけど、まあ、悪くないかな?
これから参考にしようかな、と
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>>100654854
>みんなさん
>みなさん
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あなたは何故日本語を勉強するのですか?
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>>100660874
ごめん、もう忘れた
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>>100660874

ある程度使えるようになると、 勉強し続ける理由って特にない気がするんだよね。 

何がきっかけで日本語を勉強し始めたかについて聞かれると、 まあ答えは用意してあるんだけど。
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>>100660115
>水活
は? 
あのさ、ググってみたらどう?ここで聞くよりははるかに速いし・・・
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>>100660874
友達にちゃんとした日本語で気持ちを伝えたいから
あと、楽しいから
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>>100660874
Don't use anata. It sounds very stilted, awkward and unnatural. On internet forums and chats use minna-san, minna, or even omaera.
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>>100661489
日本語で言ったらどうだ?
ネットでも敬語使わなきゃいけないところもあるし
確かにふたばや2chなら「お前ら」は普通だけど
「あなた使うな」って説明なく言い出したら勘違いな元になるんじゃないかと
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I'm honestly curious about this is this a spelling error? Should it be 突き出した or does 付き出した actually make sense?
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>>100661489
I was under the impression that お前 sounds a bit rude, is it just for casual conversation then?
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>>100661754
どうせ彼は何を言ってるか分からないだろう
ローマ字使ったし
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イマビさん、シモンを飲み込んでください!
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How do I say "traitorous racemixer" in Japanese?
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>>100662363

>How do I say "traitorous racemixer" in Japanese?

キムチ野郎
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>>100661889
やっぱりそうかもね
何も分かってない人に限って自信満々で言い切ってしまうよね
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>>100662363
You fuck off to /pol/ or unplug your internet.
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I've been playing PSO2 lately and while I don't understand anything I've noticed that they(maybe not all of them) use わたし instead of 私 is there a reason for this?
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>>100663401
I mean the computer characters, not actual Japanese people.
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>>100663401
>use わたし instead of 私

I don't understand the question. Do you mean they use kana instead of the kanji? I doubt there's any particular significance to that.
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>>100663490
>Do you mean they use kana instead of the kanji?
Yes, that's what I meant. I was just wondering if one was used in a particular instance and the other in another. I guess not then.
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>>100663401
Generally speaking, kana are more casual feeling than kanji.
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How do I practice? It seems I'm getting most of my practice out of Anki, reading is just way too hard and it's not getting any easier even though I've been studying since September. I haven't missed a day of study, what am I doing wrong?
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>>100664029
I hope you haven't skimped out on grammar.

You should try reading regardless if you don't know something. Google the vocab/grammar if you don't know it.
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>>100664029
What are you having trouble with when reading? Grammar? Vocabulary?
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>>100664179
>>100664192
I think I'm getting stuck on grammar, but I haven't skimped out on it, although my memory is pretty bad when it comes to grammar and I forget some things, I usually go over them on Tae Kim if that happens, however.
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>>100661771
Does anybody know if this sentence is valid or not the 付き出した seems so out of place.
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>>100664724
It's a misconversion.
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>>100664464
>Forgetting grammar
This happens because you're not seeing it often. With vocab you're grinding on anki, with grammar you're probably reading about it (maybe doing the examples) then you forget.

It's why it's important to start reading from there. I say refresh yourself on some of the essential grammar on tae kim and/or DOJG (I don't remember the link for the free online one)
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>>100664464
It's possible you're just reading stuff that's too advanced for you. I would say at 3 months not being able to read much is pretty normal.
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>>100664770
>>100664863
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
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>>100664724
Even 突き出した doesn't seem to make sense. Why is 詠唱するも there at all? The entire sentence seems to be incongruous and not grammatically correct.
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>>100664978
突き出す=to stick out
詠唱するも=Although I chant

What's confusing you?
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>>100665122
じゃあ「手を突き出して詠唱したけど」って意味?
「突き出した」はどう考えても間違いだよね?
この「も」の使い方初めて見たけど調べておこう、ありがとう
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So im around my 1000th kanji and i think i've hit a wall. Im having trouble remembering anything beyond that, be it kanji or vocab.

Should i stop adding new cards for a while?
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>>100665771
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これだけ日本語を学ぼうとしてくれる人がいるとは・・・
日本人としてはうれしい限りです!

I glad to you learning japanese as one of the japanese.
I learning english but I cannot speaking and writting in english well.
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>>100665939
貴様のために勉強してんじゃねぇよ
アニメや漫画のためにするんだ
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>>100665487
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/1555003.html
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>>100665939
どうも、英語の勉強も頑張ってください
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>>100665771
No, just lower the amount of new cards for a bit.
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>>100665771

Is this a common thing?
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>>100666364
Well, Americans put all kinds of shit in their chips bags so I wouldn't be surprised.
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>>100656773
>Apparently the rest of the jouyou isn't that important.

Apparently there is some truth to this. I'm on the jouyou kanji not covered in KD right now and I increasingly come across ones that are only in a handful of uncommon words (or a single common but extremely situational word that is usually written in kana) and several that don't even get converted in Google IME when I enter their onyomi as listed on Rikai and Jisho.
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>>100665487
一応これは何のアニメかわからないけれども
手を突き出して呪文か何かを詠唱したけれども
魔法かなんか失敗したって意味になるよ

~~したけれども失敗した、手を突き出したはよりその人の行動を詳細に述べているんだよ!所謂副詞的用法です。英語だと適当な例文だけど
I tried to operate the robots but i couldn't
と似てるかもしれない 英語が下手ですいません
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>>100666473
The thing is, the jouyou list is meaningless. You'll find nearly useless kanji in the jouyou but there's hundreds more used on a pretty much daily basis that are outside the list. I don't know what whoever compiled it was thinking.
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>>100666523
俺はあいつじゃないけどどうも
なんとなく分かった
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>>100666551
>>100666473
>>100656773
You have to remember that the 常用漢字 is pretty fucking old. What is useless now was probably not useless before.
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>>100666888
Hardly. It was last updated in 2010. They could have removed a lot more useless kanji and added more useful ones than they did.
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>>100666888

We need a 厨二用 list for kanji that are the most helpful for LNs and manga.
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>>100666975
It was updated in 2010 but they rarely remove characters because it feels counterproductive. Only stuff like 匁 was removed.

Even the official introduction in 1981 barely changed much from what it's origin in the 40s. Removed/changed a few characters and added about 90 characters.

>>100666994
That'd be pretty humorous if someone pulled that off.
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>>100666994
It probably wouldn't be too hard to run a character frequency list on a few dozen LNs and see what turns up.
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>>100667451
Wouldn't the setting of the LN/VN/Manga be more of a factor?
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>>100667532
Probably. Genre specific lists might be more helpful but it'd be interesting to see what a general list of a bunch of different genres would turn up.
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>>100666888
>those trips

man speaks the truth
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やっぱニートって良いもんだね
やらなきゃいけない事がなくて日々は穏やかに去っていく
コレこそは天国
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>>100668279
天国か地獄かは人それぞれだと思うけど
優しい親などが養ってくれるなら、まあ悪くないかも
しかし、自分の情けなさと屑っぷりに耐えられなくなると、地獄に変わってしまう
この人生で何がしたいの?
そもそもなんで生きてるの?
死んでも誰が気付いてくれるの?
今すぐ死んでも大丈夫なんじゃないかな?
むしろ死んだ方がいいんじゃない?
この流れは本当に恐ろしいと思う
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So I understand the first sentence as something alone the lines of "Why aren't you eating it? You said you wanted takoyaki so I made some for you"

But I'm not really sure what the second sentence is trying to get across. Is she saying "It should be cooked" as in "Oh! It needs to be cooked, right?" or is it more like she realized that it needed to be cooked?

I'm not really sure how this sentence sheds light on the current condition of the takoyaki.
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>>100669128
"yaitakata" means "way of cooking" so she's probably questioning if she prepared it right?
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What are the first two kanji in the third bubble?
>XX何がいい?
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>>100660159
>not knowing it's both
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>>100669498

夕飯 Maybe
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>>100669128
She's basically saying "Oh, should I have cooked it?"
>>100669498
夕飯
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>>100669582
>>100669603
So it's something like
>Hey
>What?
>What would be good for dinner?
>You
>Fuck off
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>>100668540
むしろこの考え方が情けないだと思うよ
お前どうしてあそこまで他人のことが気になってるんだ?
外見や印象などはどうでも良いってことを理解しなければ嬉しくなれないと思う
人生は短くて簡単に失えるものよ
人生僅か五十年って格言は正しい
その僅かな時期を費やすのは罪悪
俺はニートが好き。ニートとして生きていたい。仕事なんてどうでも良い。他人のことも。まあお金が必要場合はなんとなくなるさ。
でも自分の情けなさって?そんな事はない。どうせここに書いても信じられるわけがないが、自分のことが好きよ。昔ひどい目にあったおかげで今は理解する、自分を大事にしろって言葉をな。
>そもそもなんで生きてるの?
生き残るって理由が必要か?死ぬよりましよ、ずっと
>今すぐ死んでも大丈夫なんじゃないかな?むしろ死んだ方がいいんじゃない?
本当にこう思う連中は最高の馬鹿だよ。

ああこのポストはなんとなく自分の抒情のようなものになってしまった。まあ良い。要するに自分の人生が好き。躊躇なく生き残るつもり。でも嫌な事はできるだけほっておく。これは正しい生き方だと思う。
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>>100669128
>>100669395
焼いた方(ほう)がよかったかな?
It would have been better to cook(fry/grill) them?
You would have preferred to have them cooked(fried/grilled)?
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>>100669713
「他人の意見などどうでもいい」って言える強さがあるなら、それでいいんだけど…
そういう人は尊敬するよ、本当に
でも自分はそうじゃない

人の役に立ちたい、助けたい、優しくしたい
この楽しいだけの人生は無意味に感じてしまって、とてもいやだ
上手く伝えないけど…
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>>100670243
>人の役に立ちたい、助けたい、優しくしたい

それは立派よ、本当に
その願望があるなら相応しい就職を見つけたいのは当然の事だ
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>>100670437
>就職
ってこの言葉、良いかな
就職先?職場?
ごめんね、俺はまだ下手だし
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You know Kenji Miyazawa wrote children's books so how come Anime characters and LN characters act shocked when someone has read them.
>Oh I'm surprised a male highschooler has read that!

You would think most children would have read books for children and especially famous ones at that.
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>夕べ寝るとき、佳織ちゃんにおやすみを言おうと思ったら、佳織ちゃんのお部屋もう真っ暗でさ

Why does she use tara here? Is it because of the unexpected result of finding the room dark?

>When I thought “let’s say good night to Kaori”, your room was already completely dark.

Is that a correct?
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>>100670920
ごめん、話は通じない
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>>100670541
仕事か職業の方がいいと思うけど意味がちゃんと伝わったよ

就職はこのように使えるけど↓
ふさわしい会社に就職したい
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>>100671207
>就職はこのように使えるけど↓

承知しました
覚えておきます
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>>100671037
-ら is often used to express surprise at the result, yes. Your translation is incredibly stiff, though.
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What's the third character, the one with 千
I forgot
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>>100671716
>third character, the one with 千
Huh? I don't know how you're counting, but I don't see any third character with 千.

ギリシア神話にはミューズと呼ばれる9人の女神たちがおり、学問や芸術をつかさどっていました。ニーモシネはその女神たちの母で古代ギリシアの「記憶の女神」といわれています。
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>>100671065
>通じない
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>>100671950
あの、何が言いたいんですか?
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俺西洋人だけど、
西洋女はどうしてそんなに気持ち悪い?文化のせいかな?もう最近「〇〇は明白に浮気して妊娠したけど親子鑑定は許さない、主人が悪い!」とか「女は強姦の冤罪を作り上げて男をひどい目にあわせたけど女は悪くない!」などの記事を沢山見て西洋女に完全に飽きたわ
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Listening to music while doing reps is a bad idea isn't it.
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>>100672539
Not necessarily. If it's too distracting for you personally then don't do it. It can, theoretically, increase the amount of distinct stimuli, which could potentially help you remember what you're learning.
I've seen a bit of contradictory evidence on this subject and haven't researched it adequately enough to share with you what the current scientific consensus is. But you can either do some research or try it out for yourself to see if it may be beneficial to you.
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>>100671449

So it's not the ~tara form, but a different thing?
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>>100672539
I'm pretty sure this is something that effects different people differently. I've known people that study better with music playing, and people that can't focus on studying at all while music is playing.
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>>100673841
It's たら. xたら="When x, ~" It's just one nuance of the phrase.
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>>100673841
No, it's the たら form, and it's indeed because of the "unexpected result".

"I was about to go say good night to you last night, but your room was so dark!"
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Does anyone know where I can find the 6th edition Heisig's RTK 1-3?
I already have the 5th edition.
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>>100671867

I think he meant the third kanji.
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>>100674382
>>100674469

Ok thanks!
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Please do not visit Japan. If you truly love Japanese and Japanese culture then stay away. It's fine to enjoy it from afar and to consume their products, but don't visit the country.

Japan is one of the few nations left on the planet that still has a unique cultural identity and hasn't been flooded with immigrants.
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>>100675692
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>>100675692

Please janitors, do your job for once.
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>>100675790
All you have to do is report it and hide it, no need to make a post like this.
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>>100675692
I think you mean "do not move to Japan". Otherwise, posting that picture makes very little sense, since he is visiting other places and learning about their culture, which is what you're telling us not to do.
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>>100674864
What's been changed?
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Are the right radicals of 掃 meant to depict a person?
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>still forget words I learned in reps because they aren't in what I'm reading
It's like no matter what I do I lose.
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Has anyone here practiced transcribing anime in Japanese and using them as subtitles? I've noticed that there's a bit of a lack of Japanese subtitles, at least for the stuff that I watch. It seems like a good way to practice listening while being able to help newer people with the subtitles.
I think I'll try doing this later today.
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>>100676847
Consider reading harder stuff or focusing your studies on the material that you are reading.
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>>100676840
>right radicals
The only radical there is 扌(てへん)
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>>100676850
It'll be suffering because you will soon discover that your listening comprehension isn't as good as you thought. Especially if you'll aim at accuracy and not just guess.
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>>100676976
There's actually 3 or 4 radicals, 馬鹿
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>>100666393
You sound like an idiot.
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>>100676976
Then what are the cluster of strokes that appear in other kanji called you pedantic autist?
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>>100677040
Well, if I have to get better to be able to understand without subtitles and I have to listen repeatedly anyway, I figure I can at least try to make my time beneficial to someone else.
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>>100677047
驫麤
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>>100677070
>He knows what a radical is, must be an autist.
>>100676840
冖 巾 ヨ 扌
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>>100678179

I know which radicals they are, I just noticed that all together actually do look like some kind of Atari 2600 person sprite holding a broom.
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>>100676850
I thought about doing that way back when. But I realized that if I was unsure of my transcriptions, then they really wouldn't be of much use to anyone else.

For listening practice I also like ゲーム実況: even if you don't catch everything it doesn't usually prevent you from understanding what's going on. Plus there's usually plenty of onscreen text to help you.
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>>100678179
Except he clearly didn't know what a radical is if he though 扌 was the only one in that kanji.
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Goddamn japs with their stupidly complex writing system
I just want to read your damn comics
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>>100678414
The taller the mountain, the greater the view is.
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>>100678414
>Goddamn japs with their stupidly complex writing system
That's a strange way of saying "yanks"
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>Haven't done my reps in nearly a week
>Only japanese practice has been translating Vines for my friend who follows some nip chick
>Going to be recovering from surgery Thursday to Sunday
>Gearing up for 96 hours of constant practice

I want my brain to feel sore.
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>>100678512
うそを彼につけるはダメ。
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>>100678512
This mountain has no end
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>>100678600
Nobody cares, white pig.
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>>100678600
If you can't make yourself start studying today, I guarantee you won't study after the surgery.
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Reading Shogun by James Clavell currently. How accurate is historically?
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>>100678600
素敵なブログポストを拝見させていただいて本当にありがとう御座いますアノン殿
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>barely understand grammar
>have to look up words all the time
Reading is so demotivating.
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>>100678713
It's...it's really bad about some things. it's been years but all I remember was cringing for about 200 pages before having to put it down. He did a lot of research and then did that writer thing where none of it matters because he missed shit any weeb would know.
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>>100678713
I don't know about the novel but I really enjoyed the TV miniseries, and there's actually a lot of untranslated spoken Japanese in it as well so it's useful as study material too. You should watch it if you have not already.
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>>100678858
I don't think you know what weeb means.
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>>100678325
Are you joking or are you actually this retarded?
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>>100678713
Watch the series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ZFIGXAFBQ
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>>100678904
Euphemisim treadmill. Don't read too deep.

Japanophile>wapanese>weeaboo>weeb
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>>100678703
Fuck you. I'm studying now, just because I hate you.
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>>100679452
任務完了
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>>100666473
Jouyou is a list of kanji that is taught in school and that the government may use in official documents. Some jouyou kanji are used commonly in legal documents such as 璽, but not by the rest of Japan.

On the other hand, there's shit like 揃, or 飴 that everyone can read despite them being nonjouyou.
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俺 was nonjouyou until 2010
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>>100678325
All parts of a character are not radicals. All characters have one part of the character that is that character's radical.
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>>100679774
By now we'd get that lovely historic infograph about the us trying to get rid of kanji and how jouyou was the first step.

>>100679834
More surprising is 誰.
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>>100679838
>All characters
>one part
We went over this very recently, there are characters with multiple radicals. Yes, I'm using the same definition that you are.
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俺はマクドナルドを食うと金玉はマクドナルドのバーガーの匂いがする
何でだろう
まあ文句は言わんが
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ぶっちゃけradicalの定義なんてクソどうでもいいんだけど
俺だけじゃないはず
このような無意味な議論を避けるためにradicalを捨ててcomponentとかpartって言った方がいいと思う
それなら誰も反論しに来ないよね?(甘い)
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>>100679900
Show me a kanji with multiple radicals then.
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>>100680121
>It is sometimes possible to find a single character indexed under multiple radicals. For example, many dictionaries list 義 under either 羊 or 戈 (the radical of its lower part 我).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_(Chinese_character)
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>>100679972
普通だと思うよ
かなりいい匂いだから問題ないと思う
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>>100680121
This sums it up pretty well. >>100680087

Using the actual japanese definition is stupid considering the way we do things. is so much more effective, like goddayum looking up a kanji in a paper dictionary takes a fucking month
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>>100680202
>羊 or 戈
>or
You need to train your reading comprehension.
Each kanji only has one radical and in some cases like 義 different dictionaries will give you a different radical, but still no dictionary will give you two radicals for a single kanji.
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>>100680438
>no dictionary will give you two radicals for a single kanji.

Oh look this one just did.
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>>100680438
I think maybe you should learn to read before trying to be a pedantic asshole.

What you're referring to, incorrectly, is xor(exclusive or).

Or by itself:
true or false -> true
false or true -> true
true or true -> true
false or false -> false
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>>100680529
Sorry, your problem isn't reading comprehension, it's blindness.
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麻姑
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>>100680530
>true or false -> true
>false or true -> true
>true or true -> true
>false or false -> false

this is normal or, not xor
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>>100680915
Which is why I said "Or by itself:" directly above it to clarify that it's the regular or I was referring to.
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>>100678840
>look up words
>don't remember them
I know how you feel
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>>100680087
>implying I can read that
Well I could read most of it (without rikai) so more like
>implying I can understand that
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TONGUR UR MOMS FILTH
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When do you use じゃあ as opposed to だからand vice versa?
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>>100682314
すごい、お兄ちゃん!綺麗ですねぇ〜
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暗記?
More like 延期
( ;∀;)
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>>100682541
it's 兄貴 because my big brother died while doing his reps
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>>100682541
母?
More like HAHA
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>>100680087
ま、部首について話したいなら部首って言えばいいけど、一般に漢字の部分について話したら素直に「漢字の部分」って言えばいい
無理やりに「radical」の定義を変えようとするよりはましと思うね
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エッチしょうぜ!
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>>100683172
しようがない
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>>100683207
>しようがない
I never knew it was like that. I only knew of 仕方がない and しょうがない, never しようがない
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>>100683309
And I've never heard エッチしょう
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>>100683375
I think he's referring to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=proylafJBGk in which case he fucked it up.
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Is it better to share the load and split up my reps so that I would do something like 25 new vocab a day and 25 new kanji or should I just specialize in kanji, do 50 a day and get it out of the way?
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>>100683309
仕様がない
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>>100683746
That would make more sense. I thought he was planning on putting on some kind of lewd show for us.
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>>100682888
>無理やりに「radical」の定義を変えようとするよりはましと思うね
一番ましなのは細かい事に引っかからずもっと建設的な議論を求めるんだと思う
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>>100683893
I've tried it every different way until I gave up on kanji alone and decided to do it all at once after I'm better acquainted with vocab and grammar so I can do something more useful with it than write them individually.
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So the crazy cake blog thing that offers a shit ton of raw LNs to download is gone. What do I do?

Do I have to import them now?
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>>100684953
http://vnsharing.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110747
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>>100685103
Thanks
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>>100683895
That's pronounced しょうがない
>>100683746
I really didn't think it was that hard to understand, but I was making a small joke. He wrote しょう instead of しよう, making a mistake. So I did the opposite by saying しようがない instead of しょうがない
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私は毎日たいてい日本語を三時間ぐらい勉強します。

いいですか
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>>100684117
まし inherently implies that something isn't really an ideal choice, but is a better alternative. So using 一番マシ there is a bit funky.
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>>100685673
>まし inherently implies that something isn't really an ideal choice
Hmm, I guess you learn something new everyday. Thanks.
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>>100685362
Both are common, although しょうがない is arguably more common.

仕様が無い
〔「しよう」は、「しょう」とも発音される〕
(1)他に良い手段がない。やむを得ない。
(2)あきれるほどひどい。手に負えない。
「―・い子だね」
» 仕様
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>>100685362
>That's pronounced しょうがない
しょう and しよう are not pronounced that same and both are valid
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>>100685362
>He wrote しょう instead of しよう, making a mistake
I didn't think that's what he wrote the first time I saw it, I think it's just poor handwriting.
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>>100685874
I'm not talking about the guy in the video. I'm talking about >>100683172
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>>100685673
>>100685717
「一番マシ」とは、ごく普通の表現だけどね、なんでそんなの直すのか、俺には理解できない
ぐぐってみたらよく使われていることがお分かりになるはず
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>>100683746
I did fuck up. I thought he put しょう and not しよう

I don't even know what しよう means or if it's a conjugation of something or the form or whatever.
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>>100686136
But 一番マシ would mean "The best, out of several less than ideal choices," while he was describing a choice that, I would assume, he thought to be desirable.
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>>100686136
>>100685673
もう、何が真実かわからなくなった
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>>100686249
I see what you mean, but the romaji tipped me off that it was supposed to be しよう. It was probably just poor handwriting.
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>>100686249
imperative form of する
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>>100686404
I figured it was some form of する. Thanks.
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>>100686404
It's not imperative. It's the volitional form.
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How do you retain grammar rules?

There are so many of them and every particle can mean dozens of different things depending on the context, where it is in the sentence and what type of word comes before it, etc.

This feels harder than doing vocab or kanji reps since at least you can drill those in until you remember them. With this it feels like you just read the book and then they throw you into the deep-end, expecting you to have remembered the hundreds of pages worth of things that you just read.
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>>100686850
read
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>>100675426
Yeah, but I sure as hell wouldn't use 千 to describe 呼. It's tentative at best.
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>>100686850
Repeatedly seeing them will hammer it home. You can't expect to just memorize everything in a vacuum, that isn't how language (or hell, anything) works.
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>>100671716

確乎
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わざわざ新しい道具を書いていただいて、悪かったと思っています。

Does this mean the person this sentence is addressed to bought the speaker new tools and the speaker is thanking him by saying 'my bad', or is the speaker saying that it would be bad if new tools were bought?
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>>100686265
ま、「最初からこういう態度が理想的だ」っていう意味で使ったのなら確かに間違いだな
「もうこうなったら諦めてほかのことで話し合う方がいい」って解釈したから別に変じゃないと思ったが・・・ どうだろうなw
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>>100687355
>書いていただいて
Do you mean 買っていただいて?

悪かった is used casually to mean すみません or ありがとう.
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>>100687355
>書いて
the former
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>>100686898
Spoiler advice anon, you always have the most unhelpful advice. It's a start, but there's more to it than that, considering just about every piece of grammar has at least two distinct meanings depending on context and knowing some makes you tend to not even consider there's another option yet unlearned.

Not to mention, from reading alone, you have no context of intonation or the atmosphere surrounding the speaker.

Useful critique and advice would be something like:
>>100686850
Read fucktons and refer back constantly to understand, take notes, put multiple examples (like at least 10) of sentences you have trouble with into anki with grammar notes. Also, watch and listen to actual people and look up words and grammar they use to slowly build your understanding. If you learn it right and reinforce it the first time, it sticks pretty easily.
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>>100687492
Not >>100686898, but if >>100686850 has half a brain he'll figure it out. If someone is too buttheaded to figure out when something doesn't make sense, he shouldn't be learning new languages.
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>>100687439
>>100687443
Yeah, typo. It is 買って.

So he is thanking him? Thanks, both of you.
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>>100687492
>you have no context of intonation or the atmosphere surrounding the speaker.
What? How would reading a story not give you context? This makes no sense.
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When doing anki, and I'm going through my first time around, do I always click on "Again"
What if I get it the second time, do I click on "Good" or "Easy?"
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>>100687384
そうか、私の勝手な解釈だけだったのかもしれないですね
とにかく建設的な議論への変動には成功したと思ってるんですけど
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>>100687656
IT DOESN'T MATTER
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>>100685103
a lot of those ebooks are dead
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>>100687656
I usually click on whatever feels like the right amount of time that I want to see it again.

If it's so bad that I want to see it again immediately, I'll choose 1 minute and then 1 day when I have it.
If I'm iffy, I'll choose 10 minutes, then 1 or 2 days.
If I know it now, but I can tell I might not remember it for very long, I'll choose 4 days and then see how it has held in my memory when it comes back around.

It should show you when it would be next due for each option, so choose what you think would be best. I usually only use this for the first 1-3 times I do a new card.
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What kanji deck has the best ordering if you just want to learn the keywords/meanings?

I'm doing this random deck I found ([guciek] Japanese - 2136 Jouyou Kanji) because I liked that it had the radicals listed for each kanji, but the ordering is really hard to follow because it seems to be based around showing you kanji that all have the same readings. Since I'm not paying attention to the readings and I'm just learning the keywords though, the ordering seems to be completely random and nonsensical.
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あぁ~女子高生の汗っかき生足舐めたいよぉ~
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Didn't want to make a thread for this so I will ask here.

Where do nips talk about anime&mango other than 2chan? If I would like to find some japanese forum discussion/blog posts about some older stuff that isn't spoken about at 2ch where would I go? Do they even have the kind of forum/blogging culture?
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>>100687986
krautchan
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>>100687622
If you haven't listened to actual people use certain grammar, it's harder to catch the nuance in the way it's used in writing. Things tend to make more sense when you've actually heard the different intonation people use to express it differently. Books only go so far in describing a different cultural method of expression you've never seen firsthand.

It's the main reason there's so much autism on this place, the nuance is stripped combined with a lot non native english speakers never having heard the tone of voice that denotes sarcasm or certain turns of phrase.
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>>100688036
>books
That's why you should be reading voiced eroge motherfucker.
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>>100688076
100 times this. Reading and listening at the same time should be mandatory for somebody who is studying the language but is not immersed in a Japanese environment.
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>>100688076
Goddamn right.
Although my tastes prevent that from being being any fun because girls smell bad. Unless there's voiced fujoshit I can actually stomach.
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>>100688326
Probably the Nitro+Chiral stuff. I haven't tried it though because that's pretty gay.
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>>100687903
If you want to go the keyword route you might as well do RTK.
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>>100687986
They have lots of blogs. Forums I don't know about. I don't really care about blogs so I don't know of a specific blog, but you can look around at blog.livedoor.com/‎
http://matome.naver.jp/
http://fc2.com/
Or just type ブログ and something like アニメ, 相談, etc.
There are some types of sites like http://military38.com/archives/35830345.html which you could find my typing (キーワード) + ちゃんねる
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>Have an incredible visual memory because my father was a control freak with asperger's and he spent my entire childhood training me to be able to quickly memorize anything.
> Father died and I became a socially retarded recluse that lives off the profit I made during the bitcoin boom and his life insurance money.

>Start learning Japanese so I could have a virtual girlfriend in Love Plus.
>Able to blitz through hundreds of reps each day with a 100% retention rate.

Thanks, dad. I love you
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>>100688572
>take meth
>achieve the same results without being a fag
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>>100688488

Are there any RTK decks with radical deconstruction? The RTK decks that I saw seemed pretty barebones and it seems like they're based on reviewing what you already would have read in the books.
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>>100688638
>implying anyone here can afford meth
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>>100688504
Thank you kind anon, this is helpful.
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>>100688651
Yeah, you should read the book or at least find a list of the radicals used. Reading heisigs dry, off the wall jokes is the best part of the whole experience.
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>>100688382
This is going to be interesting.
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>>100688671

>Meth
>Expensive

If I wasn't terrified of being stabbed in an alley by a bunch of skinhead delinquents, I would jump at the chance to buy meth. It's so much cheaper than prescription stimulants. You can buy a gram of crystal meth for about $100, depending on where you live. Crush up that gram and measure it out into 20mg doses with a milligram scale and you will have enough doses for about 50 days.

I have to pay almost twice that much for 30 days worth of adderall and adderall is less healthy when compared at equivalent dosages. It's much harder on the heart than meth because it's 25% levoamphetamine, which is almost as hard on the heart as cocaine. That's why meth feels so smooth and calm in comparison to that cracked out feeling that adderall has.
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>>100689454
I wouldn't say adderall is less healthy than buying meth off the street. In theory maybe.
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>>100689855

I'm more worried about the dealers than the meth itself. It's easy enough to tell if it's quality meth or if it's trash. You just look at it with a magnifying glass, make sure it's nice and clear, has hard and firm edges without any softness or rounding, etc.

Bad meth is pretty easy to spot. It's really cloudy or discolored, it falls apart easily, and it has this almost circular quality to the edges of it, kind of like a brittle discolored pebble.

Prescription meth (desoxyn) is hands down the safest stimulant around though. It's just near impossible to get.
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How long did it take you guys to master Genki ) and II?

It seems to be taking me a while to get everything stick in my head.
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How long did it take you guys to master Genki I and II?

It's taking me a fair while to solidify everything I've learned lesson by lesson.
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>>100688671
You realize trailer trash have taken to making meth in fucking 2 liter pop bottles? Granted, they usually blow themselves up, but that's the level of equipment lots of methheads use.

Shit isn't expensive.
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Is it better to start readings things like manga and simple games instead of VNs?

I'm concerned that programs like text-hookers will become a crutch if I start out with those. It's just so easy to hover over the words with your mouse and look at the English definitions that pop up and it doesn't really force you to look at the actual Japanese. With manga or video games though, you have to really look at the characters and manually look up everything that you don't recognize because there isn't some program that's doing all of the heavy lifting for you.
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>>100690838
Trying to make your own meth is a good way of either killing yourself or earning a nice long stay in jail.
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>>100690973
That's probably a good idea. Manga also tends to be very expressive in the illustration, more so than VNs, which makes interpreting meaning easier.
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>>100690973
Then don't use something that lets you just hover over the word.
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>>100690973
If you read manga on your computer there's kanjitomo though
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>>100690837

I went through Japanese the Manga Way first and that took me about a month of slowly reading a chapter a day. It's a deceptively hard read because the pages are packed with so much text.

I did Genki 1 and 2 after that though, but it was mostly just reviewing everything that I had just read in Japanese the Manga Way, so it only took about a week. After that I started reading real things and only used the books for reference.
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>>100689776

Look at them and laugh
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>>100690973
Text hookers and OCR are only there to streamline the age old translation and study process which used to take forever for the same results. Just use it the way you would a dictionary, that is, write down the word, definition and sentence, THEN study them and put it in anki after you're done reading for the day.

Contrary to what some people believe, clicking on radicals for 5 minutes to find out what a word is isn't any more effective than doing the above in none of the time.
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>>100691272
How do you think Japanese the Manga way compares to the Genki series?

Also, what kind of reading material do you suggest first off after one's mastered them?
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>>100691437
>There are people on /a/, right now, that can't read 教育漢字 at the bare minimum
I agree with this guy
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>>100690973
I'm too lazy to do either, but I think VNs with a texthooker are the better way. You can go through content so much faster plus you get the audio.

If you aren't understanding things in VNs and getting frustrated, then manga might be better, because you can use the pictures to help piece the meaning together.
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>making progress is a constant reminder of how little you know
Sometimes I feel like it's impossible. It doesn't help that I think I'm starting to forget some kanji/vocab.
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>>100691166
Kanjitomo is absolute shit
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>>100692083
>start up class again
>realize I forgot how to write about 10% of the kyoiku kanji
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>>100691437
Is this where everyone who gets buttmad from djt goes? Looking at this, we're all gonna make it, bro.
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>>100691544

>How do you think Japanese the Manga way compares to the Genki series?

It's hard to say, I felt like they complemented each other really well. Japanese the Manga definitely goes into more detail than Genki and it will spend an entire chapter talking about something that Genki will sum up in a page or two, but Genki has a lot of review and practice while Japanese the Manga has none of that.

When I finished Japanese the Manga I felt like a shitload of information was just dumped into my brain and I barely remembered any of it, but then I started to realize how much I had actually learned when I started going through Genki and I realized that I already knew almost everything it was talking about and then the Genki practice pages really helped to drill it in.

So if you have the time to spare then I would suggest doing them both. I don't really feel that either are good enough on their own, but they're great when used together.

>Also, what kind of reading material

As for reading material though, I don't have many good beginner suggestions because the first things that I read were pretty weird. I had imported a Japanese 3DS two months earlier on an impulse buy when I first started studying and I was all hyped up about learning the language. I didn't want the 3DS to continue gathering dust, so the first things I read after going through grammar were Animal Crossing, Pokemon X, Rune Factory 4, and a few other 3DS games. I would suggest not doing that though and trying to find some easy to read PC games because it was a huge pain in the ass to read something outside of the computer, put down the 3DS every other minute, manually look up everything, pick up the 3DS, etc.
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What kind of sound is ペシッと supposed to make?

As in ペシッと叩きながら.
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>>100692595
http://vocaroo.com/i/s05wRLBGMeMj
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>>100692541
>going through Genki for retards and following it up with Genki
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>>100693151
白人すぎ
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>>100693271
Good luck finding an actual jap on DJT.
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>>100693271
あなたの母
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>>100693151
I should have said what sound is it specifically. With 叩く is sounds like a slap but I can't really imagine it.
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>>100693485
What are you even talking about? Were you asking how it was pronounced? Are you asking if ペシッと is a onomatopoeia ?
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>>100693620
I'm asking what kind of sound ペシッと is, as in onomatopoeia, yes.
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>>100693709
Ask what onomatopoeia it is supposed to represent, not "what sound it makes" because that sounds like you were asking about pronunciation as >>100693151 interpreted. Anyway, I've never heard of it and rikai-chan doesn't know it either, are you sure it's an onomatopoeia?
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>>100693890
Not him, but I gave it a quick search on google and it showed up in a bunch of different places. Nowhere gave the meaning though and I'm too lazy to read a bunch of different things until I can figure it out in context.
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>>100693890
Alright sorry about that.

I don't really see any other meaning for it when it's paired with 叩く like that, I figure it has to be an onomatopoeia of some sort.
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Having trouble with a line. Anyone got ideas?

自分でそれを忘れそうなくらいあなたには惑わされた

"I'm sure you were startled by seeing that side of me"

Seems like it would okay?
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>When I finished Japanese the Manga I felt like a shitload of information was just dumped into my brain and I barely remembered any of it, but then I started to realize how much I had actually learned when I started going through Genki and I realized that I already knew almost everything it was talking about and then the Genki practice pages really helped to drill it in.

I'm about half way through the book now (just got to the chapter on the て form) and those are pretty much my feelings exactly. There's a ton of information, but the explanations are really lucid. Having examples from actual Japanese sources is great too. You get hundreds of sentences from manga dissected and explained to you.
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>>100695385
自分でそれを忘れそうなくらい
so much so that I would forget that
あなたには惑わされた
I have been tricked/seduced by you

Your translation sounds way off, but you've given no context so this is the best I can do.
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>>100696264
The setup is: one girl is asking the other if she did anything to her. she says what do you mean by that.... i don't know, I'm scared... then you should keep being scared!

I didn't do anything to you, but... Scary. Disgusting. Revolting. Those are proper feelings to have about me.

<<The line above in a narrative box>>

Farewell.

<<Gentle, well-meaning Iku-sempai>>

With what you said though, and considering the plot up until now, I can see how yours would work though. She is meaning that she was seduced by Iku's gentle sweet personality into thinking she could make things work out (but they cant)
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>山を歩く
Why not 山で歩く or 山に歩く?
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>>100697069
Because you are walking, over, through, or on the mountain and the other two mean completely different things. (by way of and towards, respectively)
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>>100697377
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>>100695460
Yotsuba is really fucking enjoyable. I was never much of a manga guy myself but I'd recommend this to anyone.
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>>100697548

>a course in uni

There's nothing more disgusting than people like this. They threw their life away and are in over their heads in college debt, but instead of trying to warn other people from falling into the same trap that they fell into they would rather try to drag people down with them.
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>>100698085
>college debt
wow, how is it like to live in a shithole where you need to pay for fundamental things like education?
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>>100698085
If you go to a 2nd tier state college, you can finish the entire thing for like 30k or so. That's chump change for any real salary position. You'll be jumping in at like 40-55k starting instead of flipping burgers or being an IT monkey for $10/hr.
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>>100698338
Pretty good. Could be better, but しょうが無い.
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>>100698481

>"16.1 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 are unemployed."
>That percentage doesn't even include the countless people who went to college, graduated only to find that their degree was useless and they couldn't get any decent job, and then were forced to get a job flipping burgers for the rest of their lives to pay off the student loan debt that is strangling them.

No thank you.
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>>100698906
>Some people don't do market research and choose their degrees poorly. Therefore college is useless.

Gotcha.
And as long as you have a Fedloan, you can get a deferment or payment amount based on your income that won't strangle you.

That doesn't even consider that just because you half-assed things and graduated with a 2.5GPA and no portfolio, you think you still deserve a job. You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships. A lot of people just don't put in the effort.
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>>100699090
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>>100697043
Frankly, given your interpretation of the above line, I don't trust your English translations. Can't you just give the Japanese source? Either way, the explanation is there for you.
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>>100699473
I didn't know 4chan let you link to reddit now.
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>>100699628
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
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>>100699473
>3 months
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>>100696047

Have you done your composition or oral presentation practice yet today?
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>>100697548
>>100699473
>>100700148
we don't care
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>>100699453
>You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships
And then one day down the road, when you're in your forties, you'll suddenly realize that the people above you are the ones who had the presence of mind to do all that shit while also being smart enough to not waste all that time and money on college.
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>>100699735
Seriously what the fuck
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>>100699453

>You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships.

Why do people work so hard to attain a life that is so shitty?

If had to do any of that then I would shoot myself. Online work, even the shittiest work, is better than that. I make my living by doing freelancing odd jobs on the internet and selling little wood carvings that I make for a few bucks on the side. I can survive off this because I moved to an area that was rural and cheap enough that I could comfortably live on the small amount of money that this generates.

The idea of making portfolios, tailoring a resume, whatever that means, doing this social networking and internships. The thought alone makes me feel physically sick. It's worse than slavery. I wish I could understand what compels people to do this. It boggles my mind.
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So, what have you been reading recently?
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>>100699453
>you half-assed things and graduated with a 2.5GPA and no portfolio, you think you still deserve a job. You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships.

Sure sounds like me. Maybe I'll off myself so I don't have to continue to disappoint my parents.
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>>100700281
Depending on the field, you can get by without a degree -- but it means "2-3x" the work up front. And some fields you literally can't get an interview without the degree.

And those that do get a job are hired for a significantly reduced salary. So yes, save yourself the 30k while hurting your long-term income by many times that amount.

A friend finished his degree 2 years ago and was hired on for 55k/yr instead of the 45k average in this area based on his degree and GPA. He now has performance bonuses up to 68k.

Someone else I know is 5 years out of college with the same degree making over 100k/yr. And this is the Midwest, not LA, NYC, or Chicago. So the standard of living is fairly low.
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>>100700993

Do they enjoy their work though? All the money in the world isn't worth it if you don't like what you do.
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>>100701168
I know the one 2yrs out does. And the 5yr out one he's a pretty chill guy so harder to gauge, but I know he doesn't dislike it at least.

It's also why I'm getting into the same degree: I like project design work and programming. It feels a bit like sculpting in a way with challenges in figuring out the optimal way to do things.
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>>100700749
最近何も読んでいない
未来と夢を確保するためにすぎにしなくてはならないことはいろいろある
でもまだそのことに手を出さないで、今日も時間を潰しちゃった
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>>100698085
>try to warn my cousin about college
>she ignores me
>she wants to get an English degree at a private college for 52k/yr
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I might be a little retarded.

With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi, should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?

Also, how do you faggots drill this shit into memory? I've just started using anki a few days ago and have been struggling significantly. Does it help to repeatedly write the kanji down or anything?
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>>100701947
Now see, that's just retarded. If you absolutely want an English degree, you do it at a Tier2 state college, because your salary at graduation is gonna be like 25k/yr.

Not to mention that degree is oversaturated in the market, so her chances of finding a job are low.
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>>100702076
Different people learn things better in different ways. Figure it out. Come in enough contact with real japanese that you can tell whether it's working for you.
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>>100702076
>With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi, should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?
Don't bother with that too much, it's usually obvious and more determined by the word that the kanji is used in, than the kanji itself

Read stuff. Drilling your memory only works so far, you need to put that knowledge to that test actually reading things.
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私は一人でどうしてですか
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>>100702076

>With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi
>kunyomi

Just learn the readings when you do vocab. You don't even have to make a conscious effort to learn them, you will just naturally pick them up as you learn vocab and start to hear the same sounds reappearing with the same kanji.
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>>100702076

>should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?
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>>100702311
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What's so bad about the Kanji Damage ordering?

If you just want to quickly learn the meanings then it seems like the most efficient ordering since each kanji builds upon components seen in the previous and it clearly deconstructs it all for you.
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>>100702308
Let me just make sure I'm understanding you correctly. What you're saying is that just focusing on the meaning of the kanji is enough because you will pick up the readings with vocab and make the connection between the two naturally?

Forgive me for the silly or probably often asked questions.
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>>100701440
>going to college
>to codemonkey
>in this market
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>>100703154
Who are you quoting?
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>>100703253
The words I just said aloud. Are you stupid?
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>>100702699

Yeah, you will naturally form the same connection when doing a vocab deck and it will happen much faster because you're actually able to hear the pronunciation and associate it with an actual Japanese vocab word.

Trying to memorize the readings when studying individual kanji is like doing a really abstract and difficult juggling act. It's challenging enough to remember the English meanings for over 2,000 kanji, but trying to remember both the English meanings and these out of context readings that will just seem like a bunch of arbitrary sounds to you is so much harder and not necessary at all.

The mind does a much better job at remembering sounds when it can hear them, so you effortlessly start to form the connection between kanji and their readings when you're going through a vocab deck and you can hear them. It all clicks together in your mind very naturally when you do vocab, but it's next to impossible in a kanji deck.
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>>100703154
All I ever hear about every job these days is doom and gloom.
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From a language perspective, how different are Japanese novels written before 1945?
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>>100703300
I see. That actually helps a lot. Thank you.
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>>100703520
I'm telling you robots and indians are gonna take all the jobs.
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>>100703621
but who will program the robots to program programs?
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>>100703823
The indians.
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Does your mind stop retaining new information if you've been awake too long and you're slightly sleep deprived?

It snowed a lot today and I spent most of the day cleaning off the car and clearing the driveway. I don't want to go to sleep just yet though because I have a lot of reps to do, I've already pushed them back as far as I can within anki's "next day starts at" settings, and I don't want them to pile up. I've been awake for about 16 hours now, but I took a small dose of stimulants to wake me back up. Mentally, I feel wide awake right now, but I can feel my eyes aching slightly and some other minor symptoms of fatigue.

If I push through my reps while my mind is kept artificially alert by these pills then will I retain any of it?
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>>100704090
Sleep is always more important.
There are dozens of studies that show a catastrophic decrease in retention while sleep deprived.
Get some sleep bro.
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>>100704090

I used to binge and study and it never went well. You won't remember shit after 20 hours of being awake and by 30-40 hours you will be hallucinating, the monitor will look like it's rippling like it's a pool of water, and you will start seeing distorted shadow faces in your peripheral vision. It's not worth it. Go to sleep
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週末には十時ごろ起きて、、遅い朝ご飯を食べます。

Question: In the above sentence, why is 週末 followed by に then は? I thought words like 週末 or あした aren't usually followed by such particles?
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週末には十時ごろ起きて、遅い朝ご飯を食べます。

Question: In the above sentence, why is 週末 followed by に then は? I thought words like 週末 or あした aren't usually followed by such particles?
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Is it possible to remove the Writing cards from a deck without removing the Recognition card that they're paired with?

I don't really want to suspend half the deck because it just makes the graphs look ugly, but every time I try to delete the cards that I don't want it deletes the card that it's paired with.
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>>100705914

Yes, select any card of the type you want to delete in the browser, hit the [Cards...] button and delete the writing tab from the template. This will kill every writing card using that layout.
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>>100703520
自殺 is the only answer. Think about it, you're doing an act of kindness for others since you, being superior, won't take a job and they can now have a shot at it.
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>僕は日本語が学ぼうとする。
正解?
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>>100705712
は can include just about anything including particles. Like 図書館では means that "at the library" is the topic of the sentence. In this case 週末には means during the weekend. They don't need to use は, に, or で and many people will exclude them out of laziness, but using them like this is perfectly acceptable and its what people will assume if you exclude them. 昨日食べた and 昨日は食べた mean exactly the same thing.
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>>100706727
Thanks for the informative answer. It was just puzzling me a bit because I thought particles two particles couldn't be put together like that. Though seeing as it doesn't really change the meaning of the sentence, is it just something that is considered more grammatically "proper" to use them like that?
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>>100706966
Don't know how accurate these are, but assuming they aren't incorrect then this should help. Not that other guy.
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>>100707148
Ahhh thank you very much. This looks extremely useful.
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How dare you study Japanese without going to university? You don't know Japanese. You're a mediocre piece of shit who can't even speak to a native. You suck. Go to a university and take a course. Maybe some day you will learn. You're a no-talent piece of shit. You're a disgrace. How dare you. Who the hell do you think you are? Does anyone in Japan even know who you are?

You're a miserable, presumptuous no-talent. You don't know Japanese. You don't respect the educational institutions that serve as the foundation of Japanese education. You obviously don't have the talent to learn Japanese. I'm a Seattle Japanese Language School graduate, sucker.

If you really wanted to learn Japanese then you would take a course at a university instead of ruining /a/ with your no-talent attempts at writing Japanese. You're all a disgrace. You're everything that's gone wrong with the world. You're a self-consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit, and I'VE EARNED MY RIGHT TO SAY IT.

I went to a hostess club in Tokyo. I talked to a Japanese girl. I saw a picture of Princess Kiko. Who the fuck are you? I've been studying Japanese since 2009. Who the fuck are you?

You miserable, mediocre nothings. Shame on you. Go to college.
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>>100707386
I haven't been in these threads in a while, is this copypasta?
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>>100707239
Not that anon but you might find this helpful
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>>100707445
I've been in nearly every thread for many months now and have never seen it.

that said, it looks like pasta so I'm going to assume it is.
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>>100707148
だっけ isn't だってか in any instance I've ever heard of, and he's missing at least one usage (のに isn't always "despite", it can just be the nominalizing の+に) but overall I guess it's fine.
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>>100707445

He just modified the copypasta from when that little jewish guy was screaming at the trumpet player in new york.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svGAQJYIRqQ
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>>100653886
Is there any site where they show the stroke order for katakana and hiragana in this very same format? This is from the Denshi Jisho dictionary and I really like it. I think it'll be more easy for me to learn kana with these pics than with any flash animation or pics with arrows like the ones I'm finding everywhere else, but it seems they have this for kanji, but not for kana. That or I just don't see the option...
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>>100709922

There is a kanji stroke order font that looks like that linked in the pastebin. It works well with flashcards.
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>>100709922
>but it seems they have this for kanji, but not for kana. That or I just don't see the option...

You really don't need it for kana. It's only 92 characters. Take a week to learn it with what you have and you'll soon laugh at ever having had trouble with kana.
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>>100709922
If you have a smartphone, you should be able to find free kana apps that show the stroke order. If you have Windows Phone, there's one called Japanese Kana (made by one Norihiko Nakajima) that shows the strokes though not in the same format as you posted.
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>>100710371
Dunno which one it is, there's a gazillion links there, and I have an android phone. Anyway, thanks, bu I guess I'll just use the wikipedia, since I discovered they have this, which is the closest thing, even though it's missing the grid.

>>100710350
Well, sure, but I still need to learn them properly before anything else. Thanks for the encouragement, in any case.
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>>100710808
Grid? What grid?
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I keep seeing って tossed all around on things that aren't always verbs. What is it's purpose in this?

>へたっていった!
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>>100710920
Isn't it because Yotsuba talks wrong?
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>>100710920
I think it's a way to quote back what people say after repeating what they said.
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>>100710876
The graph paper thing.
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>>100711035
Oh right, but do you really need a grid? Unless you're also working on calligraphy.
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>>100711081
I'm writing them down multiple times cause that's always helped me to memorize things, though my penmanship kinda sucks...
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>>100710920
>下手って言った
>下手と言った
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>>100710920
って is a colloquial version of と in the sense of quoting or referencing something.
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How do I get unbanned from 2ch? ;_;
Well not really unbanned, but unrestricted. Apparently it's the same for a lot of foreigners lately...
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>>100711273
>>100711287
That clears a lot up, thank you.
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>>100654767
コレ国庫いい! チョン字みたい. どう書くの?
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>>100711213
Shit now I remember, there were these 2 pdf files for katakana and hiragana that had many squares with transparent characters in them along with the stroke order and reading. Those should help you get gud at writing and remembering.
But I don't remember where I had gotten them at all. Anybody here know what I'm talking about? I can upload them if not.
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>>100711371
I thought 2ch blocked foreign IPs? Or what that futaba?
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>>100711450
Yes, I'm talking about 2ch. So there's no way to post there anymore, is there?
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>>100711446
That'd be cool.
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>>100711503
Get a proxy?
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>>100711503
Use a VPN
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>>100711423
「リットル」を入力すると一つの選択だ。
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>>100690973
I've recently taken to copy and pasting everything I look up into a google docs spreadsheet. I hold myself to inputting 100 entries a day, and that seems a like a good way to make sure you get some practice, and a way to be able to see all of what you've looked up.
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>>100711597
謝謝に
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>>100711513
Giving the link in a pastebin because moot is happymerchant: http://pastebin.com/61Jr6bKV

It'd be good to add these to the DJT resources list I think
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>>100711796
Thanks! Now, it's practice time.
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>>100707465
Aww you guys are so nice :3
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Well shit. You guys shat on Imabi big time, but it turns out to be a pretty good resource site from what I've read the past hour. I'll register even if the admin is a douchebag.
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>>100711561
they don't work.
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>>100712526
What does, then?
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What are some interesting 2ch boards to browse? It seems like there's so many of them and so specific.
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>>100707572
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>>100712497
>Well shit. You guys shat on Imabi big time

All we said was that it's a bit hard to navigate and the articles may be hard to understand without knowledge of grammatical terms. Not our fault if the admin throws a fit like a sperg.
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>>100711740
ニーデジョーンベンヘンハウ
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>my course ditched Genki for Tobira
>mfw tobira is actually hard compared to Genki series.

I-I may need to up my Card grinding from 400 to 600/day
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Is there a kanji deck for the most commonly used -> least used?
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>>100714133
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>>100714133
>class is spending the whole term on chapters 11-15 of tobira
I mean, I know it's only four hours a week but come on.
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>>100714207
We are doing 2-3 weeks per chapter.
>>100714206
God damnit how do I become you?
Unless it's 1 kanji/card
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>>100714487
We're doing 3 weeks a chapter for all of them. Honestly though I'm perfectly okay with that since it leaves me with more time to read VNs though. I just wish we didn't take so long to go through the reading material.
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>>100714487
By becoming autistic.
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>>100714567
>>100714598

>>100714567
Rechecked. It's actually 2 weeks/chapter and it covers Tobira 1-7. And that's just 1 part of the course. The other is even harder: reading WW2 short stories then writing book reports about them. All these old kanjis is killing me.


I play FFXIV on a JP Server while I grind my cards.

I should really take a break and go back to VN grinding though, I have a few installed.

But yeah I should try and break the 600/day for starters. I'll see if I can become>>100714206 one beautiful day.
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>>100714732
>But yeah I should try and break the 600/day for starters
Or you could just read
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>that guy who started studying Japanese 6 years ago but is still in intermediete level

Meanwhile I've only done since January last year.

How slow must one be to only be on intermediete level with 6 years of study?.
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>>100714806
Slow, or he stopped at one point and forgot everything. He likely will not make it.
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>>100714806
I think it's rather a problem of bad methodology than speed. And maybe infrequent practice.
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>>100714806
That's pretty much me. I haven't earnestly studied in years. I just play games or VNs every now and then and look up the occasional word. I end up understanding the gist of things, but I don't have perfect understanding and I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I would if it were in English. Help me not be a lazy piece of shit.
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>>100715409
>Help me not be a lazy piece of shit.
You're the only one with that power, anon.
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How do you say stuff like
>I want to go home AND eat something
or
>I want to go for a walk AND watch the scenery
?
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>>100716135
Look up Te-forms.
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>>100715409
I had classes for three years and finish the basic course, but I dropped out since then because of college and haven't seriously studied for about five years. Forgot half of the kanji already and a big part of the grammar. Got back to studying this week, though by myself.
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>>100716135
>僕と契約して、魔法少女になってよ!
>Make a contract with me and become a magical girl!
Not sure if 契約して finishes with て because of the imperative form though.
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>>100714732
>I play FFXIV on a JP Server
Please tell me you're on Masamune.
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>>100716135
家帰って何か食べたい。
散歩行って景色眺めたい。
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>>100716356
>>100716760
Thanks!
And when saying
>I want to eat bread AND cake
Should I say
>パンやケーキを食べたい。
?
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>>100716904
That would be more like saying I want to eat things like bread and cake.
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>>100716952
So it should be
>パンとケーキを食べたい。
?
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>>100716982
Yes.
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>>100716904
This >>100716952
You would only use や if you wanted to eat other things as well as cake and bread.

ケーキとパンを食べたい。
I want to eat cake and bread.

ケーキやパンを食べたい。
I want to eat [things including / things like] cake and bread.
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>>100711371
yankee go home
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>>100717003
I personally think が should be used instead of を here. Feels more natural to me for some reason.
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>>100717002
>>100717003
Alright, thanks!
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>>100716904
>>100717003
cont.
や is good for when someone asks you a question like
スーパーで何を買いましたか。

Instead of boring them with 20 items you could just say something like
パンや牛乳やバナナを買いました。
which basically indicates that it's not an exhaustive list.

>>100717031
At first glance I disagreed but yeah, since it's something you want to eat then が would probably be better.
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>>100717031
>>100717184

Well fuck. Just when I thought I had が figured out.
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>>100717315
http://www.imabi.net/l65wantfeeling.htm

someone else asked about this recently.
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>>100717315
Worry not. I'll tell you that I almost didn't read any grammar guides, and simply learned by watching shit. As such, I know something is wrong or not because it feels natural for me.
You'll figure it out soon enough.
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Someone has erased the guide I think
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>>100717398
I was wondering if it was my page glitching or something.
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>>100717315
I think the reason it's more fitting is because it's the topic. Maybe a good English example is how you would say:

>I want to eat bread.
>I'm eating bread.

>I want to play baseball.
>I'm playing baseball.

Kind of like that.

野球がしたい。
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>>100717366
That pretty much cleared it up for me, thank you.
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>>100717398
Darn, I had to spend a whole 20 seconds reverting the changes.
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>>100717428
>>100717398
>>100717523
Is there really anything there besides a place to point stupid questions and basic google searches? It could really use some more information on effective self-study, but what I might actually write up myself is a clearer view of the relationship between kanji and the language because there are too many misconceptions going in that I'm tired of seeing.
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>>100717766
>Is there really anything there besides a place to point stupid questions and basic google searches?
That's kind of the point of the guide. If it answered every question you could want we wouldn't need this thread. That isn't really feasible anyway.
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>>100717523
How do you revert changes? I didn't do it because I don't know how.
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パンチラ、ノーパン
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>>100717766
Go ahead and write it, if it's gud it'll be a good contribution.
As for effective self-study in general, I think it's a bit of a gray area. Effectiveness of different methods changes from person to person.
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>>100717863
I didn't know how either, it took about five seconds to figure out.
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>>100717962
If it's with the view change history option in File, I can't click that.
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How to learn Japanese:
You can't.
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>>100718045
You can do it anon, I know you can. Think outside of the menu bar.
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>>100717830
>>100717945
True, but it could use more than a 15 year old post from the guy who made supermemo. If you haven't done self study on this level before, you don't even know what to look out for on effectiveness. But I'm fucked if I could do that because I still can't figure out what works without being too redundant and time consuming.

I will be writing up that thing on kanji because anything bringing up 'pronunciation' and kanji in the same sentence is missing the point entirely.
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>>100718045
Are you using the edit link or a different one?
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>>100718186
It could, but the point of the guide is to get you started on learning Japanese, not teach you effective study methods (which you should have learned in high school).
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>I have more problem with grammar than kanji
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>>100718223
Same here. Kanji is pretty easy because there's no interpretation involved, it's just memorization.
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>>100718219
And there lies the problem. If I had anki in high school, I wouldn't have had to do shit but regurgitate facts onto bubble sheets and completely eliminate the need for most teachers. They don't teach effective over here in the US.
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>>100718223
>>100718256
>tfw my grammar is on japanese fluent level but i'm so lazy to learn how anki works I haven't gotten around to learning kanji yet
Though I recognize most kanjis, what they mean and so on but couldn't writet them out. Feels bad
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>>100718310
I'd much rather be in your position.
>>100718305
Rote memorization of vocab/kanji is only part of learning the language.
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>>100718305
>flash cards in high school
I think I'm the only one who used flash cards in high school. I'm not very good at just immediately learning stuff. I still envy those people who'd half-listen to the teacher while playing the DS and still managed to ace every test.
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>>100718384
>I still envy those people who'd half-listen to the teacher while playing the DS and still managed to ace every test
That was me. That shit doesn't help you at all in college though.
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>>100718097
Perhaps it is you who is the one that cannot learn Japanese.
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>>100718340
My point exactly. A lot of people (myself included at times) have no idea what is effective because what they know for one thing doesn't apply to learning a language or they just never learned it in the first place.
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Reminder: if you actually think you need to be even remotely smart or talented to learn Japanese with all the materials and methods currently available, you're an idiot. Anyone can do it now, with Anki at their side.
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>>100718512
I wonder when Japanese government will made schools use Anki for basic education of the japs
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>>100718340
Perhaps. I've just slacked for about 2 years without doing any reps, just talking to japanese people and watching anyway. But I still feel scared to do reps and then abandon in 3 days. Perhaps my way of doing it simply isn't correct.
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>>100718512
What are effective methods for production that don't use innacurate english glosses and memory of seeing the exact same card 40 times?

How do I mix production and recognition without doubling my card count to more hours than I have free? because fuck being a neet again.

Why is it that anki, though effective for certain things, isn't a comprehensive solution in and of itself?
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>>100718658
>fuck being a neet
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>>100718683
I moved up to freeter. My samurai vanity prevents me from lying to get autismbux from the government.
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>>100718658
>Why is it that anki, though effective for certain things, isn't a comprehensive solution in and of itself?

because that'd be too convenient and too much to expect from a single program.

>How do I mix production and recognition without doubling cards.
Slow down on recognition and add more production instead of matching production to your current speed.

Learning the radicals help a lot too and writing down the characters (personally) is how I do it. You don't have to write it a million times but repetition helps (personally).
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>>100718658
There are infinite possibilities when making a sentence so it's unrealistic to memorise every possibly sentence. When you can make your own unique sentences you should find it easier to understand others' as well.
Read/watch native material. If you have the opportunity converse with native speakers. Lurk on 2ch. Write sentences here are if they're obviously wrong someone will probably call you out.

Hopefully this is what you were asking about.
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So where is the guy that used to post in all of these threads with the generic kana face telling us to go to /jp/?

Did he die?
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>>100718856
Guess it's time to flip some cards and edit definitions. My success on recognition has gone to shit the past few days.
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>>100719017
Probably got bored. He was keeping at it for how long again? Since the very beginning?
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>>100719231
It is a sad day when one of our long time lurkers decide to move on.
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>>100717003
>>100717031
>>100717184
You can use either が or を here. I think が is more common, generally considered "correct", and is what is taught in most classes. I usually think it sounds a bit off when people use を, but in these instances I didn't even think about it until someone pointed it out further down.
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They should make a JLPT N -2, N1 is too easy for me
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>>100720108
Do 漢検 next

Get to level 1 and become the gaijin kami-sama
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>>100720308
But the gaijin kami-sama was already choosen
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Do you truly believe that you will succeed if you don't bow down to the golden calf?

How deluded are you? Only the golden calf can give you the strength to learn Japanese. Give your soul to the golden calf.
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大きい花な人間は好きじゃない。

Would this be correct?

"I don't really like people with big noses".
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>>100722708
thanks moot
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>>100722708
>花な
It is ユダヤ人が嫌い
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>>100722708
>花
That's flower. Nose is 鼻. Same pronunciation.
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Just starting on a core 6k deck. Did you guys change the steps/interval options or did you leave it at the default?

Also, how do you guys go about learning new cards? Do you write them out a few times the first time you see them, or do you just say the reading and the meaning a few times, click again, and then see if you still remember them 1/10 minutes later?
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>>100722708
花じゃなくて、鼻という漢字だ。
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>>100722708
>>100722836
Also, you added an extra な. And 人間 means human (as in human race). Just 人 (ひと) is fine.
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>>100722946
>extra な
Wait, scratch that. That's the particle.
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>>100722886
I use a custom vocabulary deck but I guess it works in a similar way. Regarding new cards, I just read it, pronounce it once and take a look at the custom example sentence. I tend to not write the meaning for my brain to associate the word in the context of the sentence, but in the case I forget it I just copy and paste it to firefox and use rikaisama. So basically, I just say the reading and the meaning a few times, click again, and see if I can remember them. I already hand write kanji so I see no need to write vocab down.
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>>100722988
But 鼻 isn't a na-adjective. Do nouns behave the same way as them? I thought you could just put them together because of that "relative clause order" thing.
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>>100723066
I mean, I know they behave the same way, but I'm not sure about the な particle...
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>>100722708
>>100722836
6兆を忘れるな
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>>100723066
>>100723115
鼻が大きい人 = Person with a big nose
You don't add な after nouns.
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小学生はやっぱり最高だなぁ~
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>>100723117
ちょ、兆?
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>>100723429
So yeah, nouns only behave the same way as na-adjectives when it comes to conjugation.
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>>100711371
Why do they ban foreign ip? Is it because of raids or just general xenophobia?
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>>100723939
>海外IPアドレスからの接続の可能性があるため、投稿できません。

>海外プロキシサーバを経由する荒らしユーザーやスパム投稿が非常に多いため、やむをえず禁止しております。誠に申し訳ございませんが、何卒ご了承いただけますと幸いです。

This, the raids and necessity of captcha.
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>>100714806
And you're probably beginner level, so what's the problem?
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>>100724900
I think the problem is that with any consistent amount of dedication one should be close to fluent in that amount of time, or at least at a pretty advanced level. If you learned 5 kanji a day you'd know just about all the Jouyou Kanji within a year's time. Just a single kanji per day and you'd still know them within those 5 years.

I'm in the same boat as that guy. I started about four and a half years ago with a few university courses, but I never really progressed much after I dropped out and fucked up my whole life. I know that if I had just kept up a minimum amount of study then I could have at least one thing that I could be proud of. I know the only reason I'm not fluent is because I'm worthless, lazy and that I never studied.

Japanese isn't hard. It's time consuming. It just takes sustained effort. You can't put in a couple of intense cramming sessions and expect to be fluent. Language doesn't work that way. But consistent and frequent exposure and study can still make you understand it pretty fast.
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Hi there, I've just learnt Hiragana and Katakana. I've installed Rikaisama but I can't download the dictionaries. Can you help me?
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>>100726148
The site goes down pretty often. Just keep checking and it should come back up, unless you're having a different problem.
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>>100726230
It's been like that from yesterday. I will try again.
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RIP in peace
You were too young ( ;∀;)



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