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I like dicks
Get out weeaboo.
It's definitely wo.
㍑ What the hell did japs hid in all the Unicode?
がんばれ みんなさん (*^_^*)
Shit, forgot pic.
NO FUCK YOU
I WON'T DO MY REPS TODAY JUST BECAUSE OF THIS POST
So, which djt did this happen in?
Why is he trying to learn Japanese if he hasn't mastered English yet?
imabi fukken dropped
Is this site any good for learning moon? I dunno, I'm kinda getting an idiot savant vibe.
It's obtuse, the layout is more PD than walmart shoppers, he regularly uses english and japanese terminology interchangeably that aren't, and puts things in kana that don't need to be considering rikai exists.
Other than that, it's better than the DoJG as far as breadth and depth go. Great reference resource, but for acting like it's a comprehensive guide, you have to already be familiar with the grammar to understand how he explains it because he's an autist.
Let's raid their shitty site.
Not your personal army.
how to u say "like this?" in japanese
これで is one way, but you can come up with others based on the context I would think.
Konnakanji seems often used with "like this" but then again, I only learned my Japanese from anime and I just passed by your post on the first page.
The shitty layout reminds me, how can I override the browser opening a new window every time I click a fucking link on any japanese website? It's like they hate clean interfaces.
What a bully
I may be wrong but I think you should/can use よう.
Is this how your do it?
>Keep doing it like this
Now/With this (done)
This is about right.
Is this (about) right?
hmm... four different answers haha
let me put it this way
your friend ask u to do a v sign pose and you reply with "like this?"
Is your friend asking you to ahegao?
「これでいい？」 is the closest to what you're trying to say
What kind of friend?
Don't listen to this >>100655600
I have no idea what I'm saying. In fact, I would appreciate if someone could say if I am at least not completly wrong.
Thank You :)
Anything wrong with learning kanji in a random order?
I'm using "[guciek] Japanese - 2136 Jouyou Kanji" deck.
I couldn't find any shared decks with 2136 cards in a proper order (for example class based).
Class based is a shitty order anyway. You can learn then by radical order aka kanjidamage, but I think most of the people use the core that in my opinion has a shitty order too.
So I would say order doesn't really matter as much as everything else.
I tried Kanjidamage but the back sides are retarded.
I'll stick with this one.
I like the order in Kanjidamage, but the site overall has so many mistakes that using it is almost a suicide for someone new.
From what I can tell, all the readings are correct and the jukugo and kunyomi given on the cards are taken straight from a dictionary.
Just the mnemonics and keywords are a bit strange, but they're just meant to let you remember them better.
If you mean the whole introduction and facts page, that may be, but I'm just using the Anki deck for the purpose of recognizing kanji for vocab more easily anyway.
>Found some more garbage on 4chan about my site today. Apparently I don't touch. Wonder what all this is. I speak English and Japanese, which is something that if the majority of them would say would be a lie.
>Apparently I interchange non-synonymous terminology. I would like proof of that. Apparently I'm a savant now, too. No, it's more like they're waiting on their epiphany moment and it's never come.
Or you could just use other sources to look up the things that seem fishy or unclear to you. It's not like you have to take every single thing in KD as fact.
Why does it only have 1700/2136 kanji though?
Apparently the rest of the jouyou isn't that important. I'm still going through the "booster pack" Anon made to cover the rest, though.
How will anyone new be able to identify something fishy?
Well if we're talking about some of his weirder definitions like "to hella do" then it's fairly obvious. Otherwise you're going to have to tell me exactly what mistakes you're referring to to begin with.
:^) you're welcome
Why is 討死 marked as "sensitive"?
I'd love go and have a discussion with him, but that involves signing up and he's clearly already lurking here so here goes.
IMABI admin, your resource is one of the most thorough on the web, but a bit difficult to understand at times without already having a background in japanese grammar terminology not used often enough in other resources.
Also, you shouldn't take the words of a few as representative of the whole, especially if they aren't addressing you directly. It's as bad of form as blogging about complaints to people you can ban for disagreeing with you.
Self-moderated anonymous discussion like this is a powerful tool for identifying resources that are valuable from trash that other communities chew on because someone with a lot of posts and a gold star next to their name said was good. That one where people 'know' all the kanji but can't speak a word of japanese comes to mind.
If you want to challenge any assertions, feel free to make a tripcode here and watch legitimate debate spring forth. Or, you can anonymously shit on other resources while highlighting why yours is better. Either way, speaking to your community about ours in the way you are will only lead to hardship.
>Apparently I'm a savant now, too
He responded to my post? I've never heard of this guy before in my life. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, Imabi admin-kun.
I know, I feel bad. It would have been great to have someone who could answer questions with a link to something that isn't a vague explanation in japanese that no beginner can understand.
Thought I'd share a fun sentence.
>It would have been great
No thanks. We don't need forum celebrities with retardedly inflated egos around here.
It would have been great because trying to search for anything you don't already understand is a fucking pain on any site, especially one with that much information. And forum celebs usually don't last long under the weight of cited and sourced debate tearing them to shreds.
Don't use anata. It sounds very stilted, awkward and unnatural. On internet forums and chats use minna-san, minna, or even omaera.
I'm honestly curious about this is this a spelling error? Should it be 突き出した or does 付き出した actually make sense?
I was under the impression that お前 sounds a bit rude, is it just for casual conversation then?
How do I say "traitorous racemixer" in Japanese?
>How do I say "traitorous racemixer" in Japanese?
You fuck off to /pol/ or unplug your internet.
I've been playing PSO2 lately and while I don't understand anything I've noticed that they(maybe not all of them) use わたし instead of 私 is there a reason for this?
I mean the computer characters, not actual Japanese people.
>use わたし instead of 私
I don't understand the question. Do you mean they use kana instead of the kanji? I doubt there's any particular significance to that.
>Do you mean they use kana instead of the kanji?
Yes, that's what I meant. I was just wondering if one was used in a particular instance and the other in another. I guess not then.
Generally speaking, kana are more casual feeling than kanji.
How do I practice? It seems I'm getting most of my practice out of Anki, reading is just way too hard and it's not getting any easier even though I've been studying since September. I haven't missed a day of study, what am I doing wrong?
I hope you haven't skimped out on grammar.
You should try reading regardless if you don't know something. Google the vocab/grammar if you don't know it.
What are you having trouble with when reading? Grammar? Vocabulary?
I think I'm getting stuck on grammar, but I haven't skimped out on it, although my memory is pretty bad when it comes to grammar and I forget some things, I usually go over them on Tae Kim if that happens, however.
Does anybody know if this sentence is valid or not the 付き出した seems so out of place.
It's a misconversion.
This happens because you're not seeing it often. With vocab you're grinding on anki, with grammar you're probably reading about it (maybe doing the examples) then you forget.
It's why it's important to start reading from there. I say refresh yourself on some of the essential grammar on tae kim and/or DOJG (I don't remember the link for the free online one)
It's possible you're just reading stuff that's too advanced for you. I would say at 3 months not being able to read much is pretty normal.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
Even 突き出した doesn't seem to make sense. Why is 詠唱するも there at all? The entire sentence seems to be incongruous and not grammatically correct.
突き出す=to stick out
詠唱するも=Although I chant
What's confusing you?
So im around my 1000th kanji and i think i've hit a wall. Im having trouble remembering anything beyond that, be it kanji or vocab.
Should i stop adding new cards for a while?
I glad to you learning japanese as one of the japanese.
I learning english but I cannot speaking and writting in english well.
No, just lower the amount of new cards for a bit.
Is this a common thing?
Well, Americans put all kinds of shit in their chips bags so I wouldn't be surprised.
>Apparently the rest of the jouyou isn't that important.
Apparently there is some truth to this. I'm on the jouyou kanji not covered in KD right now and I increasingly come across ones that are only in a handful of uncommon words (or a single common but extremely situational word that is usually written in kana) and several that don't even get converted in Google IME when I enter their onyomi as listed on Rikai and Jisho.
I tried to operate the robots but i couldn't
The thing is, the jouyou list is meaningless. You'll find nearly useless kanji in the jouyou but there's hundreds more used on a pretty much daily basis that are outside the list. I don't know what whoever compiled it was thinking.
You have to remember that the 常用漢字 is pretty fucking old. What is useless now was probably not useless before.
Hardly. It was last updated in 2010. They could have removed a lot more useless kanji and added more useful ones than they did.
We need a 厨二用 list for kanji that are the most helpful for LNs and manga.
It was updated in 2010 but they rarely remove characters because it feels counterproductive. Only stuff like 匁 was removed.
Even the official introduction in 1981 barely changed much from what it's origin in the 40s. Removed/changed a few characters and added about 90 characters.
That'd be pretty humorous if someone pulled that off.
It probably wouldn't be too hard to run a character frequency list on a few dozen LNs and see what turns up.
Wouldn't the setting of the LN/VN/Manga be more of a factor?
Probably. Genre specific lists might be more helpful but it'd be interesting to see what a general list of a bunch of different genres would turn up.
man speaks the truth
So I understand the first sentence as something alone the lines of "Why aren't you eating it? You said you wanted takoyaki so I made some for you"
But I'm not really sure what the second sentence is trying to get across. Is she saying "It should be cooked" as in "Oh! It needs to be cooked, right?" or is it more like she realized that it needed to be cooked?
I'm not really sure how this sentence sheds light on the current condition of the takoyaki.
"yaitakata" means "way of cooking" so she's probably questioning if she prepared it right?
What are the first two kanji in the third bubble?
>not knowing it's both
She's basically saying "Oh, should I have cooked it?"
So it's something like
>What would be good for dinner?
It would have been better to cook(fry/grill) them?
You would have preferred to have them cooked(fried/grilled)?
You know Kenji Miyazawa wrote children's books so how come Anime characters and LN characters act shocked when someone has read them.
>Oh I'm surprised a male highschooler has read that!
You would think most children would have read books for children and especially famous ones at that.
Why does she use tara here? Is it because of the unexpected result of finding the room dark?
>When I thought “let’s say good night to Kaori”, your room was already completely dark.
Is that a correct?
-ら is often used to express surprise at the result, yes. Your translation is incredibly stiff, though.
What's the third character, the one with 千
>third character, the one with 千
Huh? I don't know how you're counting, but I don't see any third character with 千.
Listening to music while doing reps is a bad idea isn't it.
Not necessarily. If it's too distracting for you personally then don't do it. It can, theoretically, increase the amount of distinct stimuli, which could potentially help you remember what you're learning.
I've seen a bit of contradictory evidence on this subject and haven't researched it adequately enough to share with you what the current scientific consensus is. But you can either do some research or try it out for yourself to see if it may be beneficial to you.
So it's not the ~tara form, but a different thing?
I'm pretty sure this is something that effects different people differently. I've known people that study better with music playing, and people that can't focus on studying at all while music is playing.
It's たら. xたら="When x, ~" It's just one nuance of the phrase.
No, it's the たら form, and it's indeed because of the "unexpected result".
"I was about to go say good night to you last night, but your room was so dark!"
Does anyone know where I can find the 6th edition Heisig's RTK 1-3?
I already have the 5th edition.
I think he meant the third kanji.
Please do not visit Japan. If you truly love Japanese and Japanese culture then stay away. It's fine to enjoy it from afar and to consume their products, but don't visit the country.
Japan is one of the few nations left on the planet that still has a unique cultural identity and hasn't been flooded with immigrants.
Please janitors, do your job for once.
All you have to do is report it and hide it, no need to make a post like this.
I think you mean "do not move to Japan". Otherwise, posting that picture makes very little sense, since he is visiting other places and learning about their culture, which is what you're telling us not to do.
What's been changed?
Are the right radicals of 掃 meant to depict a person?
>still forget words I learned in reps because they aren't in what I'm reading
It's like no matter what I do I lose.
Has anyone here practiced transcribing anime in Japanese and using them as subtitles? I've noticed that there's a bit of a lack of Japanese subtitles, at least for the stuff that I watch. It seems like a good way to practice listening while being able to help newer people with the subtitles.
I think I'll try doing this later today.
Consider reading harder stuff or focusing your studies on the material that you are reading.
The only radical there is 扌（てへん）
It'll be suffering because you will soon discover that your listening comprehension isn't as good as you thought. Especially if you'll aim at accuracy and not just guess.
There's actually 3 or 4 radicals, 馬鹿
You sound like an idiot.
Then what are the cluster of strokes that appear in other kanji called you pedantic autist?
Well, if I have to get better to be able to understand without subtitles and I have to listen repeatedly anyway, I figure I can at least try to make my time beneficial to someone else.
>He knows what a radical is, must be an autist.
冖 巾 ヨ 扌
I know which radicals they are, I just noticed that all together actually do look like some kind of Atari 2600 person sprite holding a broom.
I thought about doing that way back when. But I realized that if I was unsure of my transcriptions, then they really wouldn't be of much use to anyone else.
For listening practice I also like ゲーム実況: even if you don't catch everything it doesn't usually prevent you from understanding what's going on. Plus there's usually plenty of onscreen text to help you.
Except he clearly didn't know what a radical is if he though 扌 was the only one in that kanji.
Goddamn japs with their stupidly complex writing system
I just want to read your damn comics
The taller the mountain, the greater the view is.
>Goddamn japs with their stupidly complex writing system
That's a strange way of saying "yanks"
>Haven't done my reps in nearly a week
>Only japanese practice has been translating Vines for my friend who follows some nip chick
>Going to be recovering from surgery Thursday to Sunday
>Gearing up for 96 hours of constant practice
I want my brain to feel sore.
This mountain has no end
Nobody cares, white pig.
If you can't make yourself start studying today, I guarantee you won't study after the surgery.
Reading Shogun by James Clavell currently. How accurate is historically?
>barely understand grammar
>have to look up words all the time
Reading is so demotivating.
It's...it's really bad about some things. it's been years but all I remember was cringing for about 200 pages before having to put it down. He did a lot of research and then did that writer thing where none of it matters because he missed shit any weeb would know.
I don't know about the novel but I really enjoyed the TV miniseries, and there's actually a lot of untranslated spoken Japanese in it as well so it's useful as study material too. You should watch it if you have not already.
I don't think you know what weeb means.
Are you joking or are you actually this retarded?
Watch the series
Euphemisim treadmill. Don't read too deep.
Fuck you. I'm studying now, just because I hate you.
Jouyou is a list of kanji that is taught in school and that the government may use in official documents. Some jouyou kanji are used commonly in legal documents such as 璽, but not by the rest of Japan.
On the other hand, there's shit like 揃, or 飴 that everyone can read despite them being nonjouyou.
俺 was nonjouyou until 2010
All parts of a character are not radicals. All characters have one part of the character that is that character's radical.
By now we'd get that lovely historic infograph about the us trying to get rid of kanji and how jouyou was the first step.
More surprising is 誰.
We went over this very recently, there are characters with multiple radicals. Yes, I'm using the same definition that you are.
Show me a kanji with multiple radicals then.
>It is sometimes possible to find a single character indexed under multiple radicals. For example, many dictionaries list 義 under either 羊 or 戈 (the radical of its lower part 我).
This sums it up pretty well. >>100680087
Using the actual japanese definition is stupid considering the way we do things. is so much more effective, like goddayum looking up a kanji in a paper dictionary takes a fucking month
>羊 or 戈
You need to train your reading comprehension.
Each kanji only has one radical and in some cases like 義 different dictionaries will give you a different radical, but still no dictionary will give you two radicals for a single kanji.
>no dictionary will give you two radicals for a single kanji.
Oh look this one just did.
I think maybe you should learn to read before trying to be a pedantic asshole.
What you're referring to, incorrectly, is xor(exclusive or).
Or by itself:
true or false -> true
false or true -> true
true or true -> true
false or false -> false
Sorry, your problem isn't reading comprehension, it's blindness.
>true or false -> true
>false or true -> true
>true or true -> true
>false or false -> false
this is normal or, not xor
Which is why I said "Or by itself:" directly above it to clarify that it's the regular or I was referring to.
>look up words
>don't remember them
I know how you feel
>implying I can read that
Well I could read most of it (without rikai) so more like
>implying I can understand that
TONGUR UR MOMS FILTH
When do you use じゃあ as opposed to だからand vice versa?
More like 延期
it's 兄貴 because my big brother died while doing his reps
Ｍｏｒｅ ｌｉｋｅ ＨＡＨＡ
I never knew it was like that. I only knew of 仕方がない and しょうがない, never しようがない
And I've never heard エッチしょう
I think he's referring to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=proylafJBGk in which case he fucked it up.
Is it better to ｓｈａｒｅ ｔｈｅ ｌｏａｄ and split up my reps so that I would do something like 25 new vocab a day and 25 new kanji or should I just specialize in kanji, do 50 a day and get it out of the way?
That would make more sense. I thought he was planning on putting on some kind of lewd show for us.
I've tried it every different way until I gave up on kanji alone and decided to do it all at once after I'm better acquainted with vocab and grammar so I can do something more useful with it than write them individually.
So the crazy cake blog thing that offers a shit ton of raw LNs to download is gone. What do I do?
Do I have to import them now?
That's pronounced しょうがない
I really didn't think it was that hard to understand, but I was making a small joke. He wrote しょう instead of しよう, making a mistake. So I did the opposite by saying しようがない instead of しょうがない
まし inherently implies that something isn't really an ideal choice, but is a better alternative. So using 一番マシ there is a bit funky.
>まし inherently implies that something isn't really an ideal choice
Hmm, I guess you learn something new everyday. Thanks.
Both are common, although しょうがない is arguably more common.
>That's pronounced しょうがない
しょう and しよう are not pronounced that same and both are valid
>He wrote しょう instead of しよう, making a mistake
I didn't think that's what he wrote the first time I saw it, I think it's just poor handwriting.
I'm not talking about the guy in the video. I'm talking about >>100683172
I did fuck up. I thought he put しょう and not しよう
I don't even know what しよう means or if it's a conjugation of something or the form or whatever.
But 一番マシ would mean "The best, out of several less than ideal choices," while he was describing a choice that, I would assume, he thought to be desirable.
I see what you mean, but the romaji tipped me off that it was supposed to be しよう. It was probably just poor handwriting.
imperative form of する
I figured it was some form of する. Thanks.
It's not imperative. It's the volitional form.
How do you retain grammar rules?
There are so many of them and every particle can mean dozens of different things depending on the context, where it is in the sentence and what type of word comes before it, etc.
This feels harder than doing vocab or kanji reps since at least you can drill those in until you remember them. With this it feels like you just read the book and then they throw you into the deep-end, expecting you to have remembered the hundreds of pages worth of things that you just read.
Yeah, but I sure as hell wouldn't use 千 to describe 呼. It's tentative at best.
Repeatedly seeing them will hammer it home. You can't expect to just memorize everything in a vacuum, that isn't how language (or hell, anything) works.
Does this mean the person this sentence is addressed to bought the speaker new tools and the speaker is thanking him by saying 'my bad', or is the speaker saying that it would be bad if new tools were bought?
Do you mean 買っていただいて?
悪かった is used casually to mean すみません or ありがとう.
Spoiler advice anon, you always have the most unhelpful advice. It's a start, but there's more to it than that, considering just about every piece of grammar has at least two distinct meanings depending on context and knowing some makes you tend to not even consider there's another option yet unlearned.
Not to mention, from reading alone, you have no context of intonation or the atmosphere surrounding the speaker.
Useful critique and advice would be something like:
Read fucktons and refer back constantly to understand, take notes, put multiple examples (like at least 10) of sentences you have trouble with into anki with grammar notes. Also, watch and listen to actual people and look up words and grammar they use to slowly build your understanding. If you learn it right and reinforce it the first time, it sticks pretty easily.
Not >>100686898, but if >>100686850 has half a brain he'll figure it out. If someone is too buttheaded to figure out when something doesn't make sense, he shouldn't be learning new languages.
Yeah, typo. It is 買って.
So he is thanking him? Thanks, both of you.
>you have no context of intonation or the atmosphere surrounding the speaker.
What? How would reading a story not give you context? This makes no sense.
When doing anki, and I'm going through my first time around, do I always click on "Again"
What if I get it the second time, do I click on "Good" or "Easy?"
IT DOESN'T MATTER
a lot of those ebooks are dead
I usually click on whatever feels like the right amount of time that I want to see it again.
If it's so bad that I want to see it again immediately, I'll choose 1 minute and then 1 day when I have it.
If I'm iffy, I'll choose 10 minutes, then 1 or 2 days.
If I know it now, but I can tell I might not remember it for very long, I'll choose 4 days and then see how it has held in my memory when it comes back around.
It should show you when it would be next due for each option, so choose what you think would be best. I usually only use this for the first 1-3 times I do a new card.
What kanji deck has the best ordering if you just want to learn the keywords/meanings?
I'm doing this random deck I found ([guciek] Japanese - 2136 Jouyou Kanji) because I liked that it had the radicals listed for each kanji, but the ordering is really hard to follow because it seems to be based around showing you kanji that all have the same readings. Since I'm not paying attention to the readings and I'm just learning the keywords though, the ordering seems to be completely random and nonsensical.
Didn't want to make a thread for this so I will ask here.
Where do nips talk about anime&mango other than 2chan? If I would like to find some japanese forum discussion/blog posts about some older stuff that isn't spoken about at 2ch where would I go? Do they even have the kind of forum/blogging culture?
If you haven't listened to actual people use certain grammar, it's harder to catch the nuance in the way it's used in writing. Things tend to make more sense when you've actually heard the different intonation people use to express it differently. Books only go so far in describing a different cultural method of expression you've never seen firsthand.
It's the main reason there's so much autism on this place, the nuance is stripped combined with a lot non native english speakers never having heard the tone of voice that denotes sarcasm or certain turns of phrase.
That's why you should be reading voiced eroge motherfucker.
100 times this. Reading and listening at the same time should be mandatory for somebody who is studying the language but is not immersed in a Japanese environment.
Although my tastes prevent that from being being any fun because girls smell bad. Unless there's voiced fujoshit I can actually stomach.
Probably the Nitro+Chiral stuff. I haven't tried it though because that's pretty gay.
If you want to go the keyword route you might as well do RTK.
They have lots of blogs. Forums I don't know about. I don't really care about blogs so I don't know of a specific blog, but you can look around at blog.livedoor.com/
Or just type ブログ and something like アニメ, 相談, etc.
There are some types of sites like http://military38.com/archives/35830345.html which you could find my typing (キーワード) + ちゃんねる
>Have an incredible visual memory because my father was a control freak with asperger's and he spent my entire childhood training me to be able to quickly memorize anything.
> Father died and I became a socially retarded recluse that lives off the profit I made during the bitcoin boom and his life insurance money.
>Start learning Japanese so I could have a virtual girlfriend in Love Plus.
>Able to blitz through hundreds of reps each day with a 100% retention rate.
Thanks, dad. I love you
>achieve the same results without being a fag
Are there any RTK decks with radical deconstruction? The RTK decks that I saw seemed pretty barebones and it seems like they're based on reviewing what you already would have read in the books.
>implying anyone here can afford meth
Thank you kind anon, this is helpful.
Yeah, you should read the book or at least find a list of the radicals used. Reading heisigs dry, off the wall jokes is the best part of the whole experience.
This is going to be interesting.
If I wasn't terrified of being stabbed in an alley by a bunch of skinhead delinquents, I would jump at the chance to buy meth. It's so much cheaper than prescription stimulants. You can buy a gram of crystal meth for about $100, depending on where you live. Crush up that gram and measure it out into 20mg doses with a milligram scale and you will have enough doses for about 50 days.
I have to pay almost twice that much for 30 days worth of adderall and adderall is less healthy when compared at equivalent dosages. It's much harder on the heart than meth because it's 25% levoamphetamine, which is almost as hard on the heart as cocaine. That's why meth feels so smooth and calm in comparison to that cracked out feeling that adderall has.
I wouldn't say adderall is less healthy than buying meth off the street. In theory maybe.
I'm more worried about the dealers than the meth itself. It's easy enough to tell if it's quality meth or if it's trash. You just look at it with a magnifying glass, make sure it's nice and clear, has hard and firm edges without any softness or rounding, etc.
Bad meth is pretty easy to spot. It's really cloudy or discolored, it falls apart easily, and it has this almost circular quality to the edges of it, kind of like a brittle discolored pebble.
Prescription meth (desoxyn) is hands down the safest stimulant around though. It's just near impossible to get.
How long did it take you guys to master Genki ) and II?
It seems to be taking me a while to get everything stick in my head.
How long did it take you guys to master Genki I and II?
It's taking me a fair while to solidify everything I've learned lesson by lesson.
You realize trailer trash have taken to making meth in fucking 2 liter pop bottles? Granted, they usually blow themselves up, but that's the level of equipment lots of methheads use.
Shit isn't expensive.
Is it better to start readings things like manga and simple games instead of VNs?
I'm concerned that programs like text-hookers will become a crutch if I start out with those. It's just so easy to hover over the words with your mouse and look at the English definitions that pop up and it doesn't really force you to look at the actual Japanese. With manga or video games though, you have to really look at the characters and manually look up everything that you don't recognize because there isn't some program that's doing all of the heavy lifting for you.
Trying to make your own meth is a good way of either killing yourself or earning a nice long stay in jail.
That's probably a good idea. Manga also tends to be very expressive in the illustration, more so than VNs, which makes interpreting meaning easier.
Then don't use something that lets you just hover over the word.
If you read manga on your computer there's kanjitomo though
I went through Japanese the Manga Way first and that took me about a month of slowly reading a chapter a day. It's a deceptively hard read because the pages are packed with so much text.
I did Genki 1 and 2 after that though, but it was mostly just reviewing everything that I had just read in Japanese the Manga Way, so it only took about a week. After that I started reading real things and only used the books for reference.
Look at them and laugh
Text hookers and OCR are only there to streamline the age old translation and study process which used to take forever for the same results. Just use it the way you would a dictionary, that is, write down the word, definition and sentence, THEN study them and put it in anki after you're done reading for the day.
Contrary to what some people believe, clicking on radicals for 5 minutes to find out what a word is isn't any more effective than doing the above in none of the time.
How do you think Japanese the Manga way compares to the Genki series?
Also, what kind of reading material do you suggest first off after one's mastered them?
>There are people on /a/, right now, that can't read 教育漢字 at the bare minimum
I agree with this guy
I'm too lazy to do either, but I think VNs with a texthooker are the better way. You can go through content so much faster plus you get the audio.
If you aren't understanding things in VNs and getting frustrated, then manga might be better, because you can use the pictures to help piece the meaning together.
>making progress is a constant reminder of how little you know
Sometimes I feel like it's impossible. It doesn't help that I think I'm starting to forget some kanji/vocab.
Kanjitomo is absolute shit
>start up class again
>realize I forgot how to write about 10% of the kyoiku kanji
Is this where everyone who gets buttmad from djt goes? Looking at this, we're all gonna make it, bro.
>How do you think Japanese the Manga way compares to the Genki series?
It's hard to say, I felt like they complemented each other really well. Japanese the Manga definitely goes into more detail than Genki and it will spend an entire chapter talking about something that Genki will sum up in a page or two, but Genki has a lot of review and practice while Japanese the Manga has none of that.
When I finished Japanese the Manga I felt like a shitload of information was just dumped into my brain and I barely remembered any of it, but then I started to realize how much I had actually learned when I started going through Genki and I realized that I already knew almost everything it was talking about and then the Genki practice pages really helped to drill it in.
So if you have the time to spare then I would suggest doing them both. I don't really feel that either are good enough on their own, but they're great when used together.
>Also, what kind of reading material
As for reading material though, I don't have many good beginner suggestions because the first things that I read were pretty weird. I had imported a Japanese 3DS two months earlier on an impulse buy when I first started studying and I was all hyped up about learning the language. I didn't want the 3DS to continue gathering dust, so the first things I read after going through grammar were Animal Crossing, Pokemon X, Rune Factory 4, and a few other 3DS games. I would suggest not doing that though and trying to find some easy to read PC games because it was a huge pain in the ass to read something outside of the computer, put down the 3DS every other minute, manually look up everything, pick up the 3DS, etc.
What kind of sound is ペシッと supposed to make?
As in ペシッと叩きながら.
>going through Genki for retards and following it up with Genki
Good luck finding an actual jap on DJT.
I should have said what sound is it specifically. With 叩く is sounds like a slap but I can't really imagine it.
What are you even talking about? Were you asking how it was pronounced? Are you asking if ペシッと is a onomatopoeia ?
I'm asking what kind of sound ペシッと is, as in onomatopoeia, yes.
Ask what onomatopoeia it is supposed to represent, not "what sound it makes" because that sounds like you were asking about pronunciation as >>100693151 interpreted. Anyway, I've never heard of it and rikai-chan doesn't know it either, are you sure it's an onomatopoeia?
Not him, but I gave it a quick search on google and it showed up in a bunch of different places. Nowhere gave the meaning though and I'm too lazy to read a bunch of different things until I can figure it out in context.
Alright sorry about that.
I don't really see any other meaning for it when it's paired with 叩く like that, I figure it has to be an onomatopoeia of some sort.
Having trouble with a line. Anyone got ideas?
"I'm sure you were startled by seeing that side of me"
Seems like it would okay?
>When I finished Japanese the Manga I felt like a shitload of information was just dumped into my brain and I barely remembered any of it, but then I started to realize how much I had actually learned when I started going through Genki and I realized that I already knew almost everything it was talking about and then the Genki practice pages really helped to drill it in.
I'm about half way through the book now (just got to the chapter on the て form) and those are pretty much my feelings exactly. There's a ton of information, but the explanations are really lucid. Having examples from actual Japanese sources is great too. You get hundreds of sentences from manga dissected and explained to you.
so much so that I would forget that
I have been tricked/seduced by you
Your translation sounds way off, but you've given no context so this is the best I can do.
The setup is: one girl is asking the other if she did anything to her. she says what do you mean by that.... i don't know, I'm scared... then you should keep being scared!
I didn't do anything to you, but... Scary. Disgusting. Revolting. Those are proper feelings to have about me.
<<The line above in a narrative box>>
<<Gentle, well-meaning Iku-sempai>>
With what you said though, and considering the plot up until now, I can see how yours would work though. She is meaning that she was seduced by Iku's gentle sweet personality into thinking she could make things work out (but they cant)
Why not 山で歩く or 山に歩く?
Because you are walking, over, through, or on the mountain and the other two mean completely different things. (by way of and towards, respectively)
Yotsuba is really fucking enjoyable. I was never much of a manga guy myself but I'd recommend this to anyone.
>a course in uni
There's nothing more disgusting than people like this. They threw their life away and are in over their heads in college debt, but instead of trying to warn other people from falling into the same trap that they fell into they would rather try to drag people down with them.
wow, how is it like to live in a shithole where you need to pay for fundamental things like education?
If you go to a 2nd tier state college, you can finish the entire thing for like 30k or so. That's chump change for any real salary position. You'll be jumping in at like 40-55k starting instead of flipping burgers or being an IT monkey for $10/hr.
Pretty good. Could be better, but しょうが無い.
>"16.1 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 are unemployed."
>That percentage doesn't even include the countless people who went to college, graduated only to find that their degree was useless and they couldn't get any decent job, and then were forced to get a job flipping burgers for the rest of their lives to pay off the student loan debt that is strangling them.
No thank you.
>Some people don't do market research and choose their degrees poorly. Therefore college is useless.
And as long as you have a Fedloan, you can get a deferment or payment amount based on your income that won't strangle you.
That doesn't even consider that just because you half-assed things and graduated with a 2.5GPA and no portfolio, you think you still deserve a job. You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships. A lot of people just don't put in the effort.
Frankly, given your interpretation of the above line, I don't trust your English translations. Can't you just give the Japanese source? Either way, the explanation is there for you.
I didn't know 4chan let you link to reddit now.
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
Have you done your composition or oral presentation practice yet today?
we don't care
>You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships
And then one day down the road, when you're in your forties, you'll suddenly realize that the people above you are the ones who had the presence of mind to do all that shit while also being smart enough to not waste all that time and money on college.
Seriously what the fuck
>You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships.
Why do people work so hard to attain a life that is so shitty?
If had to do any of that then I would shoot myself. Online work, even the shittiest work, is better than that. I make my living by doing freelancing odd jobs on the internet and selling little wood carvings that I make for a few bucks on the side. I can survive off this because I moved to an area that was rural and cheap enough that I could comfortably live on the small amount of money that this generates.
The idea of making portfolios, tailoring a resume, whatever that means, doing this social networking and internships. The thought alone makes me feel physically sick. It's worse than slavery. I wish I could understand what compels people to do this. It boggles my mind.
So, what have you been reading recently?
>you half-assed things and graduated with a 2.5GPA and no portfolio, you think you still deserve a job. You gotta tailor resumes, build a portfolio if relevant, do some networking and/or internships.
Sure sounds like me. Maybe I'll off myself so I don't have to continue to disappoint my parents.
Depending on the field, you can get by without a degree -- but it means "2-3x" the work up front. And some fields you literally can't get an interview without the degree.
And those that do get a job are hired for a significantly reduced salary. So yes, save yourself the 30k while hurting your long-term income by many times that amount.
A friend finished his degree 2 years ago and was hired on for 55k/yr instead of the 45k average in this area based on his degree and GPA. He now has performance bonuses up to 68k.
Someone else I know is 5 years out of college with the same degree making over 100k/yr. And this is the Midwest, not LA, NYC, or Chicago. So the standard of living is fairly low.
Do they enjoy their work though? All the money in the world isn't worth it if you don't like what you do.
I know the one 2yrs out does. And the 5yr out one he's a pretty chill guy so harder to gauge, but I know he doesn't dislike it at least.
It's also why I'm getting into the same degree: I like project design work and programming. It feels a bit like sculpting in a way with challenges in figuring out the optimal way to do things.
>try to warn my cousin about college
>she ignores me
>she wants to get an English degree at a private college for 52k/yr
I might be a little retarded.
With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi, should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?
Also, how do you faggots drill this shit into memory? I've just started using anki a few days ago and have been struggling significantly. Does it help to repeatedly write the kanji down or anything?
Now see, that's just retarded. If you absolutely want an English degree, you do it at a Tier2 state college, because your salary at graduation is gonna be like 25k/yr.
Not to mention that degree is oversaturated in the market, so her chances of finding a job are low.
Different people learn things better in different ways. Figure it out. Come in enough contact with real japanese that you can tell whether it's working for you.
>With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi, should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?
Don't bother with that too much, it's usually obvious and more determined by the word that the kanji is used in, than the kanji itself
Read stuff. Drilling your memory only works so far, you need to put that knowledge to that test actually reading things.
>With memorization of kanji and corresponding kunyomi
Just learn the readings when you do vocab. You don't even have to make a conscious effort to learn them, you will just naturally pick them up as you learn vocab and start to hear the same sounds reappearing with the same kanji.
I just reached 麗 in my KD deck and now that I've actually looked at it up close, that face will haunt me in my nightmares.
>should I also be memorizing any accompanying particle with it, if there is one?
What's so bad about the Kanji Damage ordering?
If you just want to quickly learn the meanings then it seems like the most efficient ordering since each kanji builds upon components seen in the previous and it clearly deconstructs it all for you.
Let me just make sure I'm understanding you correctly. What you're saying is that just focusing on the meaning of the kanji is enough because you will pick up the readings with vocab and make the connection between the two naturally?
Forgive me for the silly or probably often asked questions.
>going to college
>in this market
Who are you quoting?
The words I just said aloud. Are you stupid?
Yeah, you will naturally form the same connection when doing a vocab deck and it will happen much faster because you're actually able to hear the pronunciation and associate it with an actual Japanese vocab word.
Trying to memorize the readings when studying individual kanji is like doing a really abstract and difficult juggling act. It's challenging enough to remember the English meanings for over 2,000 kanji, but trying to remember both the English meanings and these out of context readings that will just seem like a bunch of arbitrary sounds to you is so much harder and not necessary at all.
The mind does a much better job at remembering sounds when it can hear them, so you effortlessly start to form the connection between kanji and their readings when you're going through a vocab deck and you can hear them. It all clicks together in your mind very naturally when you do vocab, but it's next to impossible in a kanji deck.
All I ever hear about every job these days is doom and gloom.
From a language perspective, how different are Japanese novels written before 1945?
I see. That actually helps a lot. Thank you.
I'm telling you robots and indians are gonna take all the jobs.
but who will program the robots to program programs?
Does your mind stop retaining new information if you've been awake too long and you're slightly sleep deprived?
It snowed a lot today and I spent most of the day cleaning off the car and clearing the driveway. I don't want to go to sleep just yet though because I have a lot of reps to do, I've already pushed them back as far as I can within anki's "next day starts at" settings, and I don't want them to pile up. I've been awake for about 16 hours now, but I took a small dose of stimulants to wake me back up. Mentally, I feel wide awake right now, but I can feel my eyes aching slightly and some other minor symptoms of fatigue.
If I push through my reps while my mind is kept artificially alert by these pills then will I retain any of it?
Sleep is always more important.
There are dozens of studies that show a catastrophic decrease in retention while sleep deprived.
Get some sleep bro.
I used to binge and study and it never went well. You won't remember shit after 20 hours of being awake and by 30-40 hours you will be hallucinating, the monitor will look like it's rippling like it's a pool of water, and you will start seeing distorted shadow faces in your peripheral vision. It's not worth it. Go to sleep
Question: In the above sentence, why is 週末 followed by に then は? I thought words like 週末 or あした aren't usually followed by such particles?
Question: In the above sentence, why is 週末 followed by に then は? I thought words like 週末 or あした aren't usually followed by such particles?
Is it possible to remove the Writing cards from a deck without removing the Recognition card that they're paired with?
I don't really want to suspend half the deck because it just makes the graphs look ugly, but every time I try to delete the cards that I don't want it deletes the card that it's paired with.
Yes, select any card of the type you want to delete in the browser, hit the [Cards...] button and delete the writing tab from the template. This will kill every writing card using that layout.
自殺 is the only answer. Think about it, you're doing an act of kindness for others since you, being superior, won't take a job and they can now have a shot at it.
は can include just about anything including particles. Like 図書館では means that "at the library" is the topic of the sentence. In this case 週末には means during the weekend. They don't need to use は, に, or で and many people will exclude them out of laziness, but using them like this is perfectly acceptable and its what people will assume if you exclude them. 昨日食べた and 昨日は食べた mean exactly the same thing.
Thanks for the informative answer. It was just puzzling me a bit because I thought particles two particles couldn't be put together like that. Though seeing as it doesn't really change the meaning of the sentence, is it just something that is considered more grammatically "proper" to use them like that?
Don't know how accurate these are, but assuming they aren't incorrect then this should help. Not that other guy.
Ahhh thank you very much. This looks extremely useful.
How dare you study Japanese without going to university? You don't know Japanese. You're a mediocre piece of shit who can't even speak to a native. You suck. Go to a university and take a course. Maybe some day you will learn. You're a no-talent piece of shit. You're a disgrace. How dare you. Who the hell do you think you are? Does anyone in Japan even know who you are?
You're a miserable, presumptuous no-talent. You don't know Japanese. You don't respect the educational institutions that serve as the foundation of Japanese education. You obviously don't have the talent to learn Japanese. I'm a Seattle Japanese Language School graduate, sucker.
If you really wanted to learn Japanese then you would take a course at a university instead of ruining /a/ with your no-talent attempts at writing Japanese. You're all a disgrace. You're everything that's gone wrong with the world. You're a self-consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit, and I'VE EARNED MY RIGHT TO SAY IT.
I went to a hostess club in Tokyo. I talked to a Japanese girl. I saw a picture of Princess Kiko. Who the fuck are you? I've been studying Japanese since 2009. Who the fuck are you?
You miserable, mediocre nothings. Shame on you. Go to college.
I haven't been in these threads in a while, is this copypasta?
Not that anon but you might find this helpful
I've been in nearly every thread for many months now and have never seen it.
that said, it looks like pasta so I'm going to assume it is.
だっけ isn't だってか in any instance I've ever heard of, and he's missing at least one usage (のに isn't always "despite", it can just be the nominalizing の+に) but overall I guess it's fine.
He just modified the copypasta from when that little jewish guy was screaming at the trumpet player in new york.
Is there any site where they show the stroke order for katakana and hiragana in this very same format? This is from the Denshi Jisho dictionary and I really like it. I think it'll be more easy for me to learn kana with these pics than with any flash animation or pics with arrows like the ones I'm finding everywhere else, but it seems they have this for kanji, but not for kana. That or I just don't see the option...
There is a kanji stroke order font that looks like that linked in the pastebin. It works well with flashcards.
>but it seems they have this for kanji, but not for kana. That or I just don't see the option...
You really don't need it for kana. It's only 92 characters. Take a week to learn it with what you have and you'll soon laugh at ever having had trouble with kana.
If you have a smartphone, you should be able to find free kana apps that show the stroke order. If you have Windows Phone, there's one called Japanese Kana (made by one Norihiko Nakajima) that shows the strokes though not in the same format as you posted.
Dunno which one it is, there's a gazillion links there, and I have an android phone. Anyway, thanks, bu I guess I'll just use the wikipedia, since I discovered they have this, which is the closest thing, even though it's missing the grid.
Well, sure, but I still need to learn them properly before anything else. Thanks for the encouragement, in any case.
Grid? What grid?
I keep seeing って tossed all around on things that aren't always verbs. What is it's purpose in this?
Isn't it because Yotsuba talks wrong?
I think it's a way to quote back what people say after repeating what they said.
The graph paper thing.
Oh right, but do you really need a grid? Unless you're also working on calligraphy.
I'm writing them down multiple times cause that's always helped me to memorize things, though my penmanship kinda sucks...
って is a colloquial version of と in the sense of quoting or referencing something.
How do I get unbanned from 2ch? ;_;
Well not really unbanned, but unrestricted. Apparently it's the same for a lot of foreigners lately...
That clears a lot up, thank you.
コレ国庫いい! チョン字みたい. どう書くの?
Shit now I remember, there were these 2 pdf files for katakana and hiragana that had many squares with transparent characters in them along with the stroke order and reading. Those should help you get gud at writing and remembering.
But I don't remember where I had gotten them at all. Anybody here know what I'm talking about? I can upload them if not.
I thought 2ch blocked foreign IPs? Or what that futaba?
Yes, I'm talking about 2ch. So there's no way to post there anymore, is there?
That'd be cool.
Get a proxy?
Use a VPN
I've recently taken to copy and pasting everything I look up into a google docs spreadsheet. I hold myself to inputting 100 entries a day, and that seems a like a good way to make sure you get some practice, and a way to be able to see all of what you've looked up.
Giving the link in a pastebin because moot is happymerchant: http://pastebin.com/61Jr6bKV
It'd be good to add these to the DJT resources list I think
Thanks! Now, it's practice time.
Aww you guys are so nice :3
Well shit. You guys shat on Imabi big time, but it turns out to be a pretty good resource site from what I've read the past hour. I'll register even if the admin is a douchebag.
they don't work.
What does, then?
What are some interesting 2ch boards to browse? It seems like there's so many of them and so specific.
>Well shit. You guys shat on Imabi big time
All we said was that it's a bit hard to navigate and the articles may be hard to understand without knowledge of grammatical terms. Not our fault if the admin throws a fit like a sperg.
>my course ditched Genki for Tobira
>mfw tobira is actually hard compared to Genki series.
I-I may need to up my Card grinding from 400 to 600/day
Is there a kanji deck for the most commonly used -> least used?
>class is spending the whole term on chapters 11-15 of tobira
I mean, I know it's only four hours a week but come on.
We are doing 2-3 weeks per chapter.
God damnit how do I become you?
Unless it's 1 kanji/card
We're doing 3 weeks a chapter for all of them. Honestly though I'm perfectly okay with that since it leaves me with more time to read VNs though. I just wish we didn't take so long to go through the reading material.
By becoming autistic.
Rechecked. It's actually 2 weeks/chapter and it covers Tobira 1-7. And that's just 1 part of the course. The other is even harder: reading WW2 short stories then writing book reports about them. All these old kanjis is killing me.
I play FFXIV on a JP Server while I grind my cards.
I should really take a break and go back to VN grinding though, I have a few installed.
But yeah I should try and break the 600/day for starters. I'll see if I can become>>100714206 one beautiful day.
>But yeah I should try and break the 600/day for starters
Or you could just read
>that guy who started studying Japanese 6 years ago but is still in intermediete level
Meanwhile I've only done since January last year.
How slow must one be to only be on intermediete level with 6 years of study?.
Slow, or he stopped at one point and forgot everything. He likely will not make it.
I think it's rather a problem of bad methodology than speed. And maybe infrequent practice.
That's pretty much me. I haven't earnestly studied in years. I just play games or VNs every now and then and look up the occasional word. I end up understanding the gist of things, but I don't have perfect understanding and I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I would if it were in English. Help me not be a lazy piece of shit.
>Help me not be a lazy piece of shit.
You're the only one with that power, anon.
How do you say stuff like
>I want to go home AND eat something
>I want to go for a walk AND watch the scenery
Look up Te-forms.
I had classes for three years and finish the basic course, but I dropped out since then because of college and haven't seriously studied for about five years. Forgot half of the kanji already and a big part of the grammar. Got back to studying this week, though by myself.
>Make a contract with me and become a magical girl!
Not sure if 契約して finishes with て because of the imperative form though.
>I play FFXIV on a JP Server
Please tell me you're on Masamune.
And when saying
>I want to eat bread AND cake
Should I say
That would be more like saying I want to eat things like bread and cake.
So it should be
You would only use や if you wanted to eat other things as well as cake and bread.
I want to eat cake and bread.
I want to eat [things including / things like] cake and bread.
yankee go home
I personally think が should be used instead of を here. Feels more natural to me for some reason.
や is good for when someone asks you a question like
Instead of boring them with 20 items you could just say something like
which basically indicates that it's not an exhaustive list.
At first glance I disagreed but yeah, since it's something you want to eat then が would probably be better.
Well fuck. Just when I thought I had が figured out.
someone else asked about this recently.
Worry not. I'll tell you that I almost didn't read any grammar guides, and simply learned by watching shit. As such, I know something is wrong or not because it feels natural for me.
You'll figure it out soon enough.
Someone has erased the guide I think
I was wondering if it was my page glitching or something.
I think the reason it's more fitting is because it's the topic. Maybe a good English example is how you would say:
>I want to eat bread.
>I'm eating bread.
>I want to play baseball.
>I'm playing baseball.
Kind of like that.
That pretty much cleared it up for me, thank you.
Darn, I had to spend a whole 20 seconds reverting the changes.
Is there really anything there besides a place to point stupid questions and basic google searches? It could really use some more information on effective self-study, but what I might actually write up myself is a clearer view of the relationship between kanji and the language because there are too many misconceptions going in that I'm tired of seeing.
>Is there really anything there besides a place to point stupid questions and basic google searches?
That's kind of the point of the guide. If it answered every question you could want we wouldn't need this thread. That isn't really feasible anyway.
How do you revert changes? I didn't do it because I don't know how.
Go ahead and write it, if it's gud it'll be a good contribution.
As for effective self-study in general, I think it's a bit of a gray area. Effectiveness of different methods changes from person to person.
I didn't know how either, it took about five seconds to figure out.
If it's with the view change history option in File, I can't click that.
How to learn Japanese:
You can do it anon, I know you can. Think outside of the menu bar.
True, but it could use more than a 15 year old post from the guy who made supermemo. If you haven't done self study on this level before, you don't even know what to look out for on effectiveness. But I'm fucked if I could do that because I still can't figure out what works without being too redundant and time consuming.
I will be writing up that thing on kanji because anything bringing up 'pronunciation' and kanji in the same sentence is missing the point entirely.
Are you using the edit link or a different one?
It could, but the point of the guide is to get you started on learning Japanese, not teach you effective study methods (which you should have learned in high school).
>I have more problem with grammar than kanji
Same here. Kanji is pretty easy because there's no interpretation involved, it's just memorization.
And there lies the problem. If I had anki in high school, I wouldn't have had to do shit but regurgitate facts onto bubble sheets and completely eliminate the need for most teachers. They don't teach effective over here in the US.
>tfw my grammar is on japanese fluent level but i'm so lazy to learn how anki works I haven't gotten around to learning kanji yet
Though I recognize most kanjis, what they mean and so on but couldn't writet them out. Feels bad
I'd much rather be in your position.
Rote memorization of vocab/kanji is only part of learning the language.
>flash cards in high school
I think I'm the only one who used flash cards in high school. I'm not very good at just immediately learning stuff. I still envy those people who'd half-listen to the teacher while playing the DS and still managed to ace every test.
>I still envy those people who'd half-listen to the teacher while playing the DS and still managed to ace every test
That was me. That shit doesn't help you at all in college though.
Perhaps it is you who is the one that cannot learn Japanese.
My point exactly. A lot of people (myself included at times) have no idea what is effective because what they know for one thing doesn't apply to learning a language or they just never learned it in the first place.
Reminder: if you actually think you need to be even remotely smart or talented to learn Japanese with all the materials and methods currently available, you're an idiot. Anyone can do it now, with Anki at their side.
I wonder when Japanese government will made schools use Anki for basic education of the japs
Perhaps. I've just slacked for about 2 years without doing any reps, just talking to japanese people and watching anyway. But I still feel scared to do reps and then abandon in 3 days. Perhaps my way of doing it simply isn't correct.
What are effective methods for production that don't use innacurate english glosses and memory of seeing the exact same card 40 times?
How do I mix production and recognition without doubling my card count to more hours than I have free? because fuck being a neet again.
Why is it that anki, though effective for certain things, isn't a comprehensive solution in and of itself?
>fuck being a neet
I moved up to freeter. My samurai vanity prevents me from lying to get autismbux from the government.
>Why is it that anki, though effective for certain things, isn't a comprehensive solution in and of itself?
because that'd be too convenient and too much to expect from a single program.
>How do I mix production and recognition without doubling cards.
Slow down on recognition and add more production instead of matching production to your current speed.
Learning the radicals help a lot too and writing down the characters (personally) is how I do it. You don't have to write it a million times but repetition helps (personally).
There are infinite possibilities when making a sentence so it's unrealistic to memorise every possibly sentence. When you can make your own unique sentences you should find it easier to understand others' as well.
Read/watch native material. If you have the opportunity converse with native speakers. Lurk on 2ch. Write sentences here are if they're obviously wrong someone will probably call you out.
Hopefully this is what you were asking about.
So where is the guy that used to post in all of these threads with the generic kana face telling us to go to /jp/?
Did he die?
Guess it's time to flip some cards and edit definitions. My success on recognition has gone to shit the past few days.
Probably got bored. He was keeping at it for how long again? Since the very beginning?
It is a sad day when one of our long time lurkers decide to move on.
You can use either が or を here. I think が is more common, generally considered "correct", and is what is taught in most classes. I usually think it sounds a bit off when people use を, but in these instances I didn't even think about it until someone pointed it out further down.
They should make a JLPT N -2, N1 is too easy for me
Do 漢検 next
Get to level 1 and become the gaijin kami-sama
But the gaijin kami-sama was already choosen
Do you truly believe that you will succeed if you don't ｂｏｗ ｄｏｗｎ ｔｏ ｔｈｅ ｇｏｌｄｅｎ ｃａｌｆ？
How deluded are you? Only the ｇｏｌｄｅｎ ｃａｌｆ can give you the strength to learn Japanese. Give your soul to the ｇｏｌｄｅｎ ｃａｌｆ．
Would this be correct?
"I don't really like people with big noses".
It is ユダヤ人が嫌い
That's flower. Nose is 鼻. Same pronunciation.
Just starting on a core 6k deck. Did you guys change the steps/interval options or did you leave it at the default?
Also, how do you guys go about learning new cards? Do you write them out a few times the first time you see them, or do you just say the reading and the meaning a few times, click again, and then see if you still remember them 1/10 minutes later?
Also, you added an extra な. And 人間 means human (as in human race). Just 人 (ひと) is fine.
Wait, scratch that. That's the particle.
I use a custom vocabulary deck but I guess it works in a similar way. Regarding new cards, I just read it, pronounce it once and take a look at the custom example sentence. I tend to not write the meaning for my brain to associate the word in the context of the sentence, but in the case I forget it I just copy and paste it to firefox and use rikaisama. So basically, I just say the reading and the meaning a few times, click again, and see if I can remember them. I already hand write kanji so I see no need to write vocab down.
But 鼻 isn't a na-adjective. Do nouns behave the same way as them? I thought you could just put them together because of that "relative clause order" thing.
I mean, I know they behave the same way, but I'm not sure about the な particle...
鼻が大きい人 = Person with a big nose
You don't add な after nouns.
So yeah, nouns only behave the same way as na-adjectives when it comes to conjugation.
Why do they ban foreign ip? Is it because of raids or just general xenophobia?
This, the raids and necessity of captcha.
And you're probably beginner level, so what's the problem?
I think the problem is that with any consistent amount of dedication one should be close to fluent in that amount of time, or at least at a pretty advanced level. If you learned 5 kanji a day you'd know just about all the Jouyou Kanji within a year's time. Just a single kanji per day and you'd still know them within those 5 years.
I'm in the same boat as that guy. I started about four and a half years ago with a few university courses, but I never really progressed much after I dropped out and fucked up my whole life. I know that if I had just kept up a minimum amount of study then I could have at least one thing that I could be proud of. I know the only reason I'm not fluent is because I'm worthless, lazy and that I never studied.
Japanese isn't hard. It's time consuming. It just takes sustained effort. You can't put in a couple of intense cramming sessions and expect to be fluent. Language doesn't work that way. But consistent and frequent exposure and study can still make you understand it pretty fast.
Hi there, I've just learnt Hiragana and Katakana. I've installed Rikaisama but I can't download the dictionaries. Can you help me?
The site goes down pretty often. Just keep checking and it should come back up, unless you're having a different problem.
It's been like that from yesterday. I will try again.
RIP in peace
You were too young ( ；∀；)