I've recently rekindled my interest of anime with this little number here. I'm really enjoying it, and I've been watching more anime because of it.
I'd like to discuss it a bit. I know there's heaps of different opinions of it on here, and I'd like to listen to them.
I'll also be dumping some pics in the meantime.
I'm quite enjoying how the story's developing at the moment. I think it's nice that the story doesn't entirely revolve around the main character, and that shit is still going on without interaction from her.
Sure, she plays a big part (and will probably play a bigger part later on), but it's nice that not everything is attached to her.
Speaking of the main character, I think Trigger did a great job on it.
She's a spitfire that looks nice without being overly neat and perfect. On that note, it's nice that she's full of flaws and insecurities, but isn't ruled by them. It makes her personality feel more believable, instead of being overly edgy or goody-goody.
Everything has already been talked about
I'd rather talk about cowboy bebop OP
It's pretty likely that Satsuki and the Four Devas are going to end up working against Ragyou and Nui, and possibly even end up teaming up with Ryuuko.
After all, Ryuuko's initial beef with Satsuki was due to wanting answers about her father. Now, Ryuuko knows Satsuki didn't kill him, and despite Satsuki trying to take the blame for the death by saying that she told Nui to take the Scissor Blade, I'm pretty sure Ryuuko's now focused on Nui.
I really think Nui's a fine piece of work. Initially, she just seemed like a ditsy removed-from-reality bit of moe-fuel, but it's really been her actions (and their impact) that have cemented my opinion of her.
It will be nice to see what she does from now on (and even better if she ends up getting messed up for the shit that she's done)
Of course, there are fans of her, but I kinda see that like people who love the Joker in Batman; people like seeing chaos and having the others try to fix it.
Maybe so, but I don't think anyone would mind talking more about it.
At the very least, I'll be dumping pics that someone might like.
Another epic proof that Shill le Schill is the cancer of /a/. I was literally crying in rage after seeing this thread, and I'm going to post in it again if you guys don't sage it to the bottom RIGHT NOW.
Mako is a nice (if strange) addition to the cast. At first glimpse, she just seems like an exaggerated airhead straight from a SoL, but it's a welcome break for when the show gets a little tense.
She also kinda calms Ryuuko down and stops her from flying off the handle. That definitely proves to be useful when Ryuuko goes berserk with that first fight with Nui.
On top of that, she puts a nice bit of wacky humor in the show.
>all this autism
>implying that is how sage works
I don't know. There's no way that Satsuki isn't the final boss.
I get the feeling that something is going to go horribly wrong with Satsuki/Junketsu, and the Devas will end up betraying her for her own sake.
OMG THAT GUY IS MAKING A GOOD INFORMED OPINION ON A ANIME HE HAS WATCHED WHAT A FAGGOT GET OUT OF HERE
You are the cancer here, bud.
I don't think theres anything edgy about Ryuko, she's tough, she fights recklessly and she has a short temper but that's as far as her renegade personality goes, she isn't as fucked up as say Guts or Rorshach
It's good to have some adversaries with some fleshing out. It's clear that they all have their own agenda, so they feel like actual people instead of just things for the main character to overcome.
Bumping. Even op is retarded but at least he have taste.
Cry more you little bitch.
>I don't think theres anything edgy about Ryuko
Its an IRC and /v/ meme. Edgy is only used by the most retarded /v/ users
It's entirely likely that Satsuki's the final boss, but it'd probably either be either Junketsu going crazy, or after taking out Ragyou and Nui, Satsuki's like "Well, if you've still got beef, take it out on me!" And they have one huge fight between each other.
I do like how people are drawing parallels with Nobunaga and his conquest though, in the unlikely case that it ends up not true, it's at least something interesting to talk about.
That's what I like about her as a character.
She's definitely tomboyish, delinquent and brash, but that's most outward. She's overall a nice girl and is still a teenager.
Of course, sometimes she teeters on the edge of getting edgy, but there's always something to bring her back from it. It's better than just forcing drama by having Ryuuko lament about everything that she goes through.
She reflects and moves on. Of course, that leaves her without motivation sometimes, which proves interesting in its own right.
It's an above average anime. It's not spectacular but it's definitely not bad. The characters are pretty good.
Satsuki best girl. Earl Grey best tea.
Do Star Trek nerds drink Earl Grey because Picard is their waifu?
Am I as bad as Star Trek nerds with my Earl Grey and my Satsuki waifu?
Of course, there is the issue of fanservice. People have condemned the anime due to this, and sure, there are some points where it may take you out of the immersion.
In my opinion, it doesn't really ruin the anime. Sure some people may call it crass, but it's not terribly done at least, and the show's not exactly trying to be the most highbrow show out there.
Wow, so much samefag.
>Saging is a downvote.
For the budget it got, I agree that it's not the best anime out there, but I certainly do not regret watching it.
It wants to be entertaining, and it is. That's all you need.
People who bitch about the fanservice in this are either butthurt feminist types or they just hate fun.
ignore this /a/nons
I tried earl grey but its just tastes awful. I'll stick to normal tea and coffee
When can we have a discussion about this show without muh le /a/ culture getting in the way?
It's refreshing to have someone so likable going against the main character. Though I may like Ryuuko better, I definitely like Satsuki, since they're like rivals at this point. However, usually it's the rival trailing behind in power, but Satsuki doesn't give a fuck, she'll beat the shit out of Ryuuko and leave her trying to catch up to her.
I find the fanservice gives it a level of humour that I like. KlK seems pretty self aware about it and makes fun of itself rather than just putting the fanservice in and pretending it didn't notice like they did with TTGL
I find Satsuki a bit meh, but I like the elite 4, they're pretty well done
How on Earth can you dislike Satsuki?
>Earl Grey best tea
That's what I'm going for with this thread. Discuss away.
>sage is not a downvote
Shes just miserable, I mean I'd be miserable too if my mother regularly molested me, but still
Indeed, it's really obvious.
Alright, OP. I like you. This is a good thread.
Any postulations as to what's going to happen this Thursday? It's been confirmed that NB is getting involved, anyone wonder just how far this will go?
Best moment in the series belongs to Satsuki.
>that body horror out of control Ryuuko going berserk
>that unrelenting, unfaltering, unafraid stare
Which of the Devas is your favorite? For me it's a toss up between Gamagoori and Dog. Nonon's cute, but she's really just there for the lolibutt appeal.
The Devas are certainly good, although I also like Satsuki.
The Devas, like Satsuki, also are truly motivated to get shit done (although some may have pretty petty reasons)
Gamagoori's a Lord Genome-esque wall of (masochistic) determination. He's got pretty noble ideals, and his naturally lawful nature really clashes with Ryuuko.
I have a feeling that Junketsu won't speak.
The really weird thing is that Nudist Beach is employing a kamui, when they shouldn't. Isshin and Aikuro were pals so they may have shared some ideals.
But if Nudist Beach approves of Kamui, then what's the deal with Junketsu? It's implied that Junketsu is some sort of endgame intended for Satsuki by Ragyo...
Also the whole concept of clothes that make you feel naked.
Its like theyre about just start making out
Satsuki-sama is pretty based. I look forward to seeing the full extent of her plan unfurl.
>liking female rossiu
What is the budget of Kill la Kill then?
I dropped a while back along with a few other things due to life problems. I got back into chineese cartoons at the beginning of winter season and I need to catch up. I want to continue to watch this with you /a/.
Gamagori myself, his backstory is the best and makes him the most honourable of them and seems to be the most likable of the 4, particularly with his interactions with Mako
Why are you talking to yourself?
Yeah, Gamagoori is certainly the most likable of all the Devas. It just seems as though he got caught up in Satsuki's ambitions and owes her a personal debt of loyalty he can't possibly break, no matter now heinous her actions may be.
He's actually pretty easy to sympathize with, despite what he's committed.
ASK NOT THE SPARROW HOW THE EAGLE SOARS!
Do you think Nui relenting to Satsuki is her just doing so out of an ulterior motive or a legitimate sort of respect for Satsuki's capabilities? I'm not saying Satsuki has the outright upper-hand but maybe that she's at least Nui's equal and it would be a genuinely problematic conflict for Nui.
Well, it's been long since the statement that "episode 15 has one huge climax" was released, and with the way episode 14 went, it's almost confirmed that 15 is going to take shit up to the next level.
It's likely that the whole thing will shift a paradigm; it'll no longer be just Ryuuko raging against the school, it's likely that the entire land is going to be thrown into motion with REVOCS, Satsuki, Nudist Beach and Ryuuko all with different ideals just cutting loose.
It's easy to see that Trigger really wanted to save the best for the next half of the show.
Why are you shitposting?
>These people agree with an opinion I don't like, they must all be the same person!
Nudist Beach confirmed for giant robot army in 15.
Dog will probably reveal himself to be the traitor and declare his allegiance to NB.
No need to get this fucking hostile, dude.
She's certainly concerned about what Satsuki's capable of, at least in some small measure. Raygo did tell her to "cross my daughter at your peril" - still, respect? It's more out of a sense of neutrality until Raygo says otherwise. Despite whatever feelings Nui has towards Satsuki are certainly unrequited. I get the feeling those two have a particularly dark history together, and Satsuki would lop off her head the first moment she gets.
Their existence and backstories really makes Satsuki that much better and well rounded as a character. She really is a true leader who inspires serious devotion in her followers. The kind of charisma and ambition she has and the loyalty she inspires is immense.
Those aren't robots they're mech suits. They're being piloted by people, you can see their legs sticking out.
Well, I'm not entirely certain, but due to the fact that Trigger has recently been formed, I'm pretty sure the budget isn't the greatest.
However, there are people in Trigger that are pretty used to working with an unfavorable budget.
>still shooping "you" into caps
It's like we're in 2008 again
>They're being piloted by people, you can see their legs sticking out.
Those are captives. Nudist beach's gotta bolster their ranks somehow.
Yeah. Satsuki's actions as a character aren't so much felt through her as they are through her subordinates. Each has a different view of their leader. Whether it be unswerving loyalty like Gamagoori, mutual interest like Inumuta, a desire to prove himself like Uzu, or just out of a sense of companionship, Satsuki is seen from multiple perspectives, each contributing to the whole.
>Raygo did tell her to "cross my daughter at your peril" - still, respect? It's more out of a sense of neutrality until Raygo says otherwise.
The way you worded that sort of implies Nui only has reason to fear or at least give Satsuki a wide berth is because of Satsuki's mother, though.
And yes I have no doubt that if Satsuki is actually capable of killing Nui she very much wants to and wouldn't hesitate if given an opportunity favorable to her end-game.
I wish it was 2008 again.
Nui is expendable. It'll be revealed there are dozens of Nuis because she is a doll construct.
>Dog is revealed to be a SPLENDID NAKED OFFICER OF NUDIST BEACH
>PING PONG CIRCULATE
It's better than him being a spy for REVOCS.
Satsuki's dictatorship with hints of meritocracy is better than the "democratically" based western world we have now.
Prove me wrong.
Inumuta's also pretty cool. I think he's definitely the most detached of the group, which is why there's lots of speculation that he will betray.
He's all about his own stuff; he doesn't do anything unless it gets him info for his own use. It's obvious he's not here to fight, he just wants to get rid of the shit he doesn't like. Who hasn't felt like that sometimes?
And guess who's gonna replace him as financial manager of Honnouji?
They didn't give him his own theme for nothing.
>2008 was 6 years ago
Raygo did tell Satsuki that she could operate unhindered, but also dispatched Nui to what I can only believe is to test the limits of Junketsu. Raygo doesn't seem to give a fuck about her daughter outside her utility to herself and COVERS.
Dog really needs more character development, he's had less than Nonon at this point, so personally I'd welcome a betrayal plot from him.
Yes, all but 2 of those posts are mine, but it's not me talking to myself. I'm just bringing up different topics for discussion.
You'd be a nice 11 yo shota
I hope so. I want to see his pimp hat and cane Three-Star uniform and crab Regalia.
It looks like Satsuki somehow breaks his hold over Osaka if the preview is of any salient indication, but I hope he sticks around. He's fun.
>Nui is expendable. It'll be revealed there are dozens of Nuis because she is a doll construct.
If that's the case I would think Satsuki would have killed her the moment she interfered let alone when she showed up in complete defiance to Satsuki's previous orders following the Berserk Ryuuko situation.
That's the point. Why do you think people would be interested in discussing something that's been discussed in the past 3 months already? You're mostly talking with yourself, that was ma point
He certainly has the potential to be a very memorable character. His interaction with Nonon during the Raid Trip completely made up for his lackluster performance in the King of the Hill Battle - but I suspect he didn't really care to begin with.
It cannot be proven wrong. The society we live in now is one where we have given 99.9% of power to corporate bodies and .1% to world governments, nobody wants to take up arms against them, and they provide us with little to nothing in comparison to their vast wealth. Satsuki's is based on how hard you work, and if you bust your ass and make it to the top, you are showered in riches, versus those who were born into wealth in our societies and simply keep it all to themselves.
I still prefer Takarada's society. Not only do you have a constant source of income from your countless shops in your hometown, but in case of emergency, he can always fund side operations for you whenever he wants, and he WILL do it.
Satsuki covering up Ryuuko is an excellent show of her character.
What a sweet girl.
Hers isn't really meritocracy, but more unswerving loyalty to her cause (whatever that actually is other than world domination)
It's unlikely, cool as it is, for him to be integrated into Satsuki's group. I doubt either have much respect for the other.
On top of that, he's already in a ruling position, I doubt he would want to relinquish all the power his money gives him to Satsuki.
But because of his influence, it's likely he's sticking around. Hopefully.
Personally, I always liked the concept of a meritocracy, at least when done right. If people are left to their own devices, they'll eat each other. There needs to be a rigid system in place.
Besides, the political structure of Honnouji's incredibly simple, as are the ways in which you progress. Join a club and get a One-Star, or start one for a fast-track to a Two-Star, if you can handle the paper work. Despite the slums being an eyesore, they're segmented from the rest of the island via walls, and at its center, Honnouji is actually incredibly wealthy.
Besides, we can't be certain what the Stars-No-Stars ratio is, but it looks like at least half of the Academy have their Stars.
Does anyone have the Iori version of this?
Students who prove themselves worthy are granted one or two stars. If that isn't meritocracy I don't know what is.
Nothing to disprove here.
Democracy is broken and not appliable to nations/organization with a population in the order of the millions
I like Ryuko and all and she is a good MC for the show, its just that like almost all the other characters a lot more. One of the main reasons I like the show so much is her interactions with the other characters, or the interatction between the other characters. Whenever I rewatch an episode, I tend to skip the bits where Ryuko is having a single discussion with Senketsu, and always rewatch the other character interactions, be it Mako and her family, Mako and the Four Devas, Sensei in general because Sensei is a fucking baller, or just the Four Devas interacting with themselves, because they're much more entertaining to watch. I think we all can agree that KlK was made to be fun and completely overthetop, and I found much more entertainment value from the other characters than Ryuko and her 'I GOTTA FIND OUT WHO KILLED MY DAD' plot. Her plot has its moments and is rather good, its just that the other characters are what makes this show so good, and this is solely my opinion and if you disagree with me I completely respect your opinion
If that's your point, then it'd probably be more use directed towards everyone discussing it. People love to bring up what they know and think about shows they know to see other people's opinions on it.
Maybe, but Takarada is governed by money. If Satsuki offers him a better deal, he'd join. Still, his existence is pretty antithetical to her beliefs, but she might admire how he defended his city, and offer a temporarily alliance against REVOCS.
I get this feeling that she's trying to get all the players in one area together so she can sway them to her side against Raygo's. Still, I suspect that she'd prefer that they knuckle under to force as opposed to a partnership. I suspect Ryuuko will change that way of thinking.
Hope that doesn't happen, it happened on d.gray man and it gone to shit
>lv 4 akuma gets introduced
>kills lots of people including some of the main cast
>whole arc to defeat 1
>arc ends, lv 4s everyfucking where being defeated like nothing
>Satsuki is going to finally take up arms against Ragyo
>She knows that Takarada has retardedly huge supplies of resources at his disposal and has literally zero reason to fight alongside her
>"Takarada. You're a man who appreciates money, correct?"
>"Now you're talking my language!"
>"How about a vast fortune in exchange for your services?"
>"Vast? Do you not know how large and full the vaults of the Takarada clan are?"
>"Do you not know how large and full the vaults of the Kiryuuin family are?"
>"Wh...what? You....you mean..."
>"Yes. If you help me in my conquest, I will grant you all of the capital amassed by REVOCS. I have no need for it, but I know you do. We are in need of a financial manager, a resources manager, and means to fund our military when attacking."
>"You can count on me! As you've seen on your boys' faces here, I've got all of those concepts down to a science, toots. This is my ballpark, and if you are willing to pay me with the Kiryuuin's treasure, I'll knock them out of the park!"
I agree completely, but I must attempt to explain the importance of Ryuuko. See, when there are too many strong personalities on screen together at the same time, you need to be very careful in planning how they interact otherwise you'll get an underwhelming scene.
Ryuuko is the straight-man, the audience's view on things. She's likable, cute, and a good girl at heart, but she's more of a patient than an agent; someone to have events acted upon, but not an actor.
I think one anon put it best when he said Ryuuko is "like the rice with curry." She may not be as flavorful as the others, but a good plate of rice can balance things out and give substance and texture to the dish.
This gif was bothering me so I edited it.
Only if you're loyal to Satsuki (with the exception of Mako and Ryuuko, but that was only because Satsuki was planning to use it against them)
I agree that all the characters in KlK are likable. It may be that when all of these characters get as much development and fleshing out as they have, it's a pleasant surprise.
However, all of the other characters have stories of their own; whereas this is Ryuuko's. Maybe that's why it feels less fleshed out at the moment. She has not found a place in the world yet; a place where the rest of the characters have lived in all their lives and have already found their own way.
Ryuuko needs to just keep going one step at a time and not stop, and she'll create memories and friends, and emerge from this better than before.
>those drooling Mankanshokus
I hope this happens. This is Takarada we're talking about. He'd cream his pants just thinking about acquiring the Kiryuuin Conglomerate's wealth.
It's been too long now, but wasn't because the crystal bullshit? Also Kanda, which was OP as fuck.
That means following the rules.
Yes, right, so what? Every society needs rules. Still better than a society that gives you the impression of freedom but then fucks you in the ass regardless of what you do
Loyalty to the establishment that would be granting you your rewards based on your merits being a requirement doesn't seem too outlandish or ridiculous...
I mean it's not like you're going to get rewarded when you're like, "Look how hard I work to destroy the ideals of your nation and governance you should reward me!"
Also, I'm taking GIF editing requests because I'm bored as fuck. Simple to complex. Just don't ask me to redraw shit.
Now THAT'S something to think about. Maybe once Satsuki has finished taking the world over for REVOC to come in, Satsuki then needs allies to then take it from Ragyou.
Perhaps then he'll show up again.
The reason being is that Ryuuko isn't a standard MC. The series seems to have forgone the idea of us focusing on the MC and making the surrounding cast very bland or one-sided or unmemorable so that the MC's spotlight moments are more noticed. In KLK, almost every character is a very big, easily remembered presence.
I mean, look at people like Takarada. He was in one episode for maybe five minutes out of it, and he's still more memorable than the majority of villains in your typical anime. His behavior, attire, weapon, overall his character is extremely in-your-face. And this was a character they tossed away.
Ryuuko is a very nice character, but she's surrounded by a TON of very nice characters. Takarada has had non-stop threads since the episode first aired, and people have loved the shit out of him. Nui came out of nowhere really and wrecked shit up royally. All of the Devas have had their behaviors and personalities fleshed out, so they aren't just villains of the week.
I'd say when you typically have a shonen anime or any other battle-centric anime, the focus seems to be 90% on the MC, 10% on "other". In this anime, the focus has switched.
Well assuming Takarada works on Free trade and so on, then technically his society would be more meritocratic than Satsuki's.
I agree with most of this bar Nui. While I think her character has gotten a bit better in part 2 of the series, her introduction was awful. She just popped out of nowhere as this ridiculous overpowered character that has not a single weakness with very little prior warning.
>I mean, look at people like Takarada
I meant to say Fukuroda*
Although Takarada technically in the same area.
Do you think you're free?
Do you think you can go out, camp in a parking lot, chop wood, start campfires, hunt for meat? Sounds like basic human survival to me, but you actually can not do any of those things.
90% of the services and comforts society offers you at the price of your liberty will not be used by the average individual, but they will still make you pay both in liberty and money for those.
I for one prefer a harsher society with less comforts but with more room to personal liberty
pls come back
It works better because Satsuki has a strong drive to make the world better. My belief is that Satsuki's 'dictatorship' is really just what our democracy would be like if we had someone we wanted to follow.
The chains of oppression are only heavy when they are worn against our will. When we wear them to further goals we agree with, are they even chains?
>the rest of the characters have lived in all their lives and have already found their own way.
>mfw I just realised that this is entirely about Ryuko finding her way, and to find it she must make the other characters eventually lose their way
Meh, Fukuroda felt more like a James Bond goon to me, not very important and just does was the guy at the top says with little development of their own. The same for most of the 2 stars really.
I think that was the point. Any other introduction other than popping out of nowhere and almost getting Ryuuko murdered and destroying the school wouldn't suit her character.
Now don't get me wrong, I HATE Nui, and I'll gladly toast a cheap beer to her death, but there's a certain tension to her character, you know? I mean, she can fucking strike anywhere, without warning. One moment things could be fine with Ryuuko and Mako having a cute moment together, and the next she could pop up and slide her Scissor through both of 'em.
To be fair and honest, I'm under the impression that's wholly intentional. Her entire character has been focused on this bizarre level of discomfort masked by overwhelming levels of false cuteness/sweetness. She has a Mako-esque flavor, but where Mako seems too genki to really get it, Nui understands just how chaotic and destructive she can be, and doesn't give a shit.
For example, she wanted to see the Kamui's power. She could have simply said "Fuck it, I'll wait until their battle is over and then step in when she's about to battle Satsuki" or "I'll ambush her when she's resting for the final battle", but she didn't. She chose to be the chaos element in the fight between Sanageyama and Ryuuko. Next forced entry she chose to do was later with masking herself as Nagita, stirring up a bunch of shit, and later running away. She got Mako punished I guess "punished" by Gama's standards for literally nothing. Then she tricked Ryuuko. Then destroyed Senketsu. For no fucking reason.
I'm under the impression she's trying to simply be a representation of chaos and unrest in the KLK universe, as most characters have already shown they tend to be focused and have very clear-cut goals and intents. Nui's is pure chaos and destruction for her own entertainment.
I want this bitch to die horribly.
Believe in Shark-chan.
True I guess. Plus shes pretty much Ragyo's second in command and is probably looking to have REVOCS have a monopoly on Kamui's, thus her desire to destroy Senketsu
If anything, Sanageyama feels (and looks) more like a standard MC.
At the beginning, he's a tough, cocky brawler that's only under Satsuki because she has proved she is stronger than him; very much so.
He has a constant need to improve himself and get strong enough to finally face Satsuki, and finds an equal rival in Ryuuko.
Then when he finds out how his strength wasn't all it was cracked up to be, he decides to take it one step further and gives up his eyes for more power.
At this point, he's a very powerful fighter (who has had some VERY unfortunate fights at the moment) that is beginning to run out of a reason to get stronger, kind of like how Ryuuko needs a purpose.
>"punished" by Gama's standards
>The reason being is that Ryuuko isn't a standard MC.
What? Ryuuko is such a standard MC that Mako easily lampshaded it every episode. Besides, almost every anime writer knows that it is the antagonists and side characters that people remember. Name any battle anime. I bet you we remember more about the bad guys than the MCs
Literally the only thing that makes it a tyrannic, oppressive dictatorship is the fact that it's against your will.
I'm not satisfied with my "democratic" government's conditions, I'm wearing it against my will. I am oppressed, even if this is a democratic republic.
Dictatorships and oligarchies are demonized because of storic and cultural reasons but nothing has done more damage to the world than the supposedly free democracy.
I'd gladly give up some of my liberties and rights on my own will if I knew it would serve 100% to make my society go forward
Big boobs McViral is never coming back
And that's why the Meritocracy that Satsuki has developed is so much stronger than the democracy we have now.
Of course a system where you are better off the harder you work will actually work when you have something worth doing it for.
I'm not going to lie, Sanageyama is on thin ice for me. He started out as this almost comical officer who was really just along for the ride because he wanted to fight worthy opponents.
Then Ryuuko comes along and beats him, fostering a change and encouraging Sanageyama to grow even stronger. Cool.
Then he comes back and annihilates Ryuuko to the point of putting her on death's door and forcing a retreat - the only reason for this being possible is him outstripping his own uniform. Badass, right?
Then he goes full Yamcha status, his only purpose to emphasize just how much more powerful the next tier of characters are. Now he's getting jobbed by regular Joes with money guns and literally getting covered in what looks like shit.
What the fuck?
The problem is you're looking at it through a fictional world. In the real world a meritocracy would work just as well as every governmental system before it.
Two words: Goku Uniforms.
Give me the tools I need to chisel my destiny and you're damn right I'll join you.
Bingo. Such societies just won't work because we don't have the tools to construct a decent one.
That's why I have his writers, not himself, on thin ice.
Sanageyama is a great character, until the mk.II episode he was easily the best deva, living to fight, worthy opponent on Satsuki herself, gave up on his eyes to better himself and all.
Trigger had a huge chance to make him a primary character or at least an incredibly good secondary, but no, they had to make him a faggot and jobber in every episode.
It's incoherent and a wasted pontential
But you're not chiseling your destiny, you're chiseling hers and shes using your greed to her advantage. Theres a reason why she calls everyone pigs in human clothing, because thats literally all people are to her.
Well he got beat down hard by Nui, but to be fair Nui has managed to fuck up everything she's come across beyond Satsuki.
The citizens only really posed a threat to his peons, and even then he managed to still stand strong until Satsuki showed up. I'm really hoping the mud/shit thing is just a temporary gag, and not something that actually defeats him.
Plus hes literally going to be shit next episode so I don't see it getting much better
The real world has nothing but shit for a past, present, and future. That's why we discuss fictional worlds.
Doesn't matter. My destiny, my dream is a hell of a lot smaller than hers. If I can accomplish mine in the process, so be it.
Most people try to run from human nature. Why not embrace it? Hell, it's the only reason Satsuki can accomplish what she has. She's harnessed human nature - human greed. And if history has shown us anything, that's one hell of a resource to tap into.
This makes me wonder. I wonder if any 1-2 stars have ever run off. Disposable as they are they're more likely to be less loyal and will be much less noticeable if they run away. On the other hand, pre-Ryuko. 2-stars might have been able to hold off one of the three stars while they got away.
The Deva that I think has the least development at the moment is probably Nonon. Though it may not be evident now, it may be for a good reason.
To me, Nonon represents the epitome of servitude to Satsuki. As long as she's known Satsuki, she's done everything for her, and strived to stay close to her. Sure, she's brash, feisty, and can sometimes contrast her cute looks with ugly words, but it's all due to her need for (pardon the overdone cliche) her Senpai to notice her.
If Satsuki asked Nonon to risk her life on a suicide mission so that afterwards, they could hang out and be friends, she'd do it with no hesitation. Of course, Satsuki doesn't like abusing people's devotion to her like that, but Nonon would be absolutely fine with doing it.
Contrast with Mako, who is certainly off doing her own thing, but considers Ryuuko a dear friend, to which Ryuuko reciprocated it.
It still doesn't look good for his character. Especially when he tops off each failure with even more trash talk.
I know Satsuki tells him there's no shame in losing to REVOCS Grant Couturier, but still. It leaves a bad impression. As it stands, Monkey's pretty much a running joke in the series.
Plus there's also a huge discrepancy with what work should be rewarded more. Does the man who cuts stone get more than an accountant? Who deserves more someone who teaches medicine or someone who practices it? Satsuki's world works because it is a school which is a near meritocracy in itself. I remember reading a post that argued that Satsuki and the others refuse to "grow up" out of the limitations of the school because it's all they know and really the only place they can be on top.
Which is why the only time we've seen her legitimately happy is seeing Mako's family give up their wealth for Ryuuko. It'd be funny if her speeches are not to inspire people, but to ask for someone to prove her wrong. I also want to see some Mako/Satsuki interaction considering they're pretty much opposites.
Because running from our nature made us survive.
>Because running from our nature made us survive.
True, but trying to deny it is pure and utter delusion and can never bring anything good.
She's just a kid using her parents money to buy her way to glory.
In a way this is why I respect Takarada more, particularly if he is the ginger kid who got saved in the Gama flashback, since it would imply he got to the top himself, rather than riding on the back of his parents and then manages to give Satsuki's armies a run for their money
I hope Takarada gets this sort of development, he has a lot of potential.
It is not in our nature to fly, but we still walked on the moon.
It's been fourteen episodes in and Satsuki hasn't actually had any fleshing out of her character. Each time, it's just her constant fascist philosophy.
Hoping next episode is where she falls off her high horse.
Before Ryuuko and Senketsu showed up, Honnouji's power structure was impeccable. One-Stars were magnitudes stronger than normal human beings, but could be demolished by a Two-Star, and wouldn't even scratch a Three-Star.
Gamagoori wiped out two entire clubs without breaking a sweat, so we can see that Life Fibers are exponential, not geometric.
I'm sure there have been some deserters, but I doubt they last long. Even if you can sneak out with one, you won't last long.
I'm certain many of them have tried, but knowing Gamagoori's strength, they'd probably be battered to shit before they got too far anyways.
Besides, they get a beautiful middle-class lifestyle, are fed good food, are far more powerful than the standard person, and all they have to do is follow orders at some points of the day and fight for their respective captains. All of the 2-stars are their own captains, and seeing the riches enjoyed by a 2-star, it'd be stupid for them to leave it behind, especially seeing how little direct command they get from the higher-ups outside of moments of serious necessity.
They would be loyal by reward rather than force. Like domesticating a bunch of pigs.
This pic seems sorta relevant
I just realized something, and you're not going to like it: Nonon is precisely the type of person who doesn't survive these shows.
Of course. In the real world, people are human. They are rarely dedicated to one thing in the way that people in the fictional world are.
For a meritocracy like Satsuki's to work, the person you want to work for needs to be a paragon; an ideal that has taken human form, to lead it.
That's why people that get close to that level of dedication (Like Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, etc) are held in reverance, and their good deeds are exaggerated with their bad deeds overlooked.
By doing this, people forge their own ideal to go by. All it takes is someone who is like that, and abolishes the entirely of the old system, to actually make it work.
He's got his own theme, doesn't he? That's enough of a reason to hold on to hope.
>Like domesticating a bunch of pigs
Like anon said, the chains of oppression don't feel heavy when they're tugging in your direction.
I'd accept subjugation to live the Two-Star life in a heartbeat.
Wow you're a little bitch aren't ya? Are you sure you don't just want to get in Satsuki's good books?
>Not enjoying the lavish and luxuriant life of a two-star without the constraints of a Kamui-powered superhuman, only needing to file away papers, of which you can simply get some one-star cronies to handle for you
Fencing Club here, you must be straight-up retarded.
>Are you sure you don't just want to get in Satsuki's good books?
Why not? You've seen what happens to those who gain her favor.
Propaganda Club here.
Not even One-Stars. Just drag a couple of numbers-savvy No-Stars off the streets and let them share in your opulence in exchange for doing the heavy lifting.
You'd be stuck in the slums boyo, lower than a one star.
Hell, bring their families in too. You have a mansion, use it. Extra incentive for them to get the paperwork done expediently.
People like Nonon have three usual outcomes:
They realize that they are not as important to their mentor as they think, in which case they usually are either cast aside or lapse into a wreck,
They undergo an arc where they begin to wean their dependence on the other person and establish their own way.
They die out to signify an enemy's power, kinda like how Sanageyama's going at the moment, but more serious and more permanent.
With the way Trigger has intentionally left out development on her, I think they want to give her more development, perhaps with Satsuki going "Your dependence on me is disgusting. If you truly want my respect, go out and make yourself a person that can stand equally with me!" And having Nonon improve herself.
If not, she may end up becoming a dead character, either metaphorically or literally.
they are used and thrown away if they lose just once, unless they are part of the small super elite?
Even better. I can just give them little shreds of my luxury every now and then. Give them motivation to become one-stars and join my club by letting them into my mansion and saying "All of this can be yours one day, just be loyal and do some work now, and you can be powerful and well-fed later!"
>they are used and thrown away if they lose just once
The Devas, for the most part, are indispensable. Still, can't really blame the Two-Stars. Not when you're put up against a Kamui.
Satsuki's government works better than anything we have but not better than anything we have had...
>Satsuki going the Griffith route
I don't think I could see Nonon swinging around the Dragonslayer anytime soon, but yeah, you're probably right.
Wouldn't surprise me if they killed her off though.
Careful about trying to take them under your wing. You don't want to end up handing them the dagger to stab you in the back with later on.
Awe them with your luxury and opulence, and indoctrinate them with the idea that they can have a fraction of what you have, but only if they remain with you.
And if they get too ambitious, make an example out of them.
As much as dick-ish Satsuki may seem at times. I don't think she's that mean of a person.
I liked male rossiu.
Also he was right and didn't die a virgin.
I'll take your advice. Thanks le happy propoganda-kun.
That's actually what Satsuki's going on about. She is dedicated to using her power and her drive to accomplish her goals. She welcomes people to help her in her cause, but she isn't slowing down to help others keep up. She will help you as much as you help her.
If you strive to do as much as you can to help Satsuki, then you will be rewarded. If not, you aren't.
HOWEVER, where Satsuki's plan semi-backfired is that not everyone is dedicated enough to their cause to do it just to help her. Some people just want to live a comfortable, lush life, free of worries. If they can get it by helping Satsuki, they will, but it's not for her, it's for them.
That's where the whole 'pigs in human clothing' comes from. She hates how they do things they don't believe in, just to get a luxurious life.
She may be harsh in thinking that for some people, but she's right in a way. She doesn't have to accept deadweight, and she doesn't have to like people who do pull their weight but don't do it for her.
Although a little to the side of this topic, I can't be the only one seeing Gama turn on Satsuki am I?
I can just imagine him becoming disillusioned by Satsuki and turning on her
Yeah. She's certainly not as much of a sociopath as Griffith. She actually seems to like Nonon, but just not in the way Nonon thinks.
I think there's a breakdown in communication somewhere down the line. That said, I think Satsuki genuinely cares for her subordinates, she just avoids sentimentality.
You can tell something's going to do wrong when Nonon boasts about her supposed relationship with Satsuki, and to the extent she knows her mind.
I think Nonon mindbreak's going to happen, but not as soon as we thought.
Her plans are going to backfire because she is going to get wreck by Ryuuko.
>didn't die a virgin
Satsuki says: Brush your teeth 3 times a day!
Makes sense. Good thing I believe in her ideals.
It's not so much of a delusion when any regular shmuck can make it in her system.
>implying Satsuki is a dick
>even remotely entertaining the idea of anyone that she's a mean person
>saving Ryuuko multiple times
>not putting up with Nui's sadistic "hohoho entertaining!" bullshit
>putting a blanket on the disgraced Ryuuko who represents nothing but chaos and disorder
All the signs are there, I mean just listen to Satsuki's theme on the OST. You're telling me you wouldn't follow the person which that theme represents to hell and back?
Satsuki represents and lives by every great ideal which she espouses. She's not a hypocrite or a fake and her ideals and ambitions are great.
What is Satsuki's mistake with Ryuuko?
-Overestimating her own strength (she can't even consider the fact Ryuuko could become stronger)
-Underestimating Ryuuko's strength
-Underestimating Ryuuko's rebellious nature
-Overestimating what she can offer Ryuuko
If Satsuki is so smart then why is she getting rekt by either Ryuuko, Inumuta or Nui this week?
2. Definitely 2. She doesn't want an equal in Ryuuko, she wants another soldier. Someone to take orders and obey them. A 5th Deva essentially.
Too bad Ryuuko's going to surprise her.
Why exactly do people think Dog will turn on her this week? Are there cues that I missed or something?
>Implying she's going to get rekt by anybody this week
She's going to recruit Takarada and all the other school heads into her society and use them to rebel against Queen Christmas Cake.
>Believing in her ideals
>Thinking up ways to game her system instead of bettering themselves (or at least tolerating pigs who do so)
You're just begging to be purged from the ranks by Gamagori-senpai
>not everyone is dedicated enough to their cause to do it just to help her
While that is true, you gotta admit that some people do try but just got presented with an unfortunate situation and failed. The problem is that your life under her is gonna be a rollercoaster ride since you get demoted so easily while it takes the same amount of effort again to rise back to where you were previously.
Not exactly. Gama MAY turn on Satsuki, but it wont be due to being disillusioned.
As it showed in the Gamagoori flashback, he knows exactly how Satsuki does things, and he opposed it for a while. However, after the events that happened, he gained respect for Satsuki -as she did with him- , enough to work with her.
He may decide that his way clashes enough with Satsuki to go against her one day, but at the moment Satsuki fully supports his way of going about things.
Gamagoori is his own person with his own views. Satsuki gives him enough space to act on it. The only time she's intervened recently is when he wanted to kill himself due to failing himself.
Don't break the rules, don't get purged.
Simple as that.
needs more dosh in this thread
Which is why I said she is not that much of a dick because she does have a clear heroic side to her.
On the other hand she does forces her ideals on a lot of people and anyone who doesn't agree or wants to agree with her is immediately her enemy.
Do we have of that kid Gama saved?
>If you strive to do as much as you can to help Satsuki, then you will be rewarded.
Yes, and we all know how that went
Yeah but he had a very strict love for steel rules and honour, I could imagine Satsuki doing something that would challenge his honourable side and thus cause him to turn on her
Oh god, I remember that thread
That's the thing; As long as Satsuki recognizes your capability, she gives you the chance to go higher. However, she only gives you the chance, she will not hold you hand on it.
A perfect example of this was the Fight Club, and its progression.
Mako and Ryuuko found out that they could better Mako and her family's life by creating a club and making it better through beating other clubs, and Satsuki gave them the same chance as they gave all the clubs.
Then, she gave Mako the ultimatum to promote it more; by fighting Ryuuko. She was trying to make an example of the system's corruption; that people's want to live big was greater than anything.
When Mako and Ryuuko stopped fighting, they proved that they were not 'pigs in human clothing' and living their own way was greater than living Satsuki's way and having cushier living conditions.
I didn't think someone actually did that. Fucking brilliant.
Not ready for the Crablord to be annihilated
Woops, forgot to post an image.
I really miss Mako's fight club design, it was fucking awesome
You know, we really should have realised how powerful Mako was to begin with, seeing how she was putting her brother in professional wrestling holds during the pilots
That's only sort of accurate though. Satsuki was pleased with the outcome of the fight not only because they proved themselves to be better than pigs in human clothing but because they proved that means of living within her system was corrupt and unsavory. It doesn't however prove anything about living "Satsuki's way" being wrong because Satsuki despises the pigs in human clothing just as much. Satsuki's way of living and the way of living that devas like Gama and Nonon go by is a cushier life in exchange for their devotion to a cause that is greater than themselves and their hard work to forward that cause.
Yeah, but that's the only thing that would make him turn. He may be like 'Why would Satsuki do this!? How could she?' but he'd be more likely to either not do anything or kill/incapacitate himself instead of harming or stopping her.
>Satsuki has strong ties to Nobunaga, who got betrayed.
>Dog has the weakest reasons to be with satsuki, and was trying to ruin REVOCS in his flashback.
>Dog's theme is PING PONG CIRCULATE, that was used when presenting nudist beach (still, blumenkranz was first used the first time we saw Ryuuko with senketsu)
>All meganes were traitors so far
And the most important
>Seeing Dog as a NB agent would be glorious.
Somebody post the "brooms" image.
I thought Dogs theme was Suck your blood?
The fight club uniform is great because of the amount of detail put into it. A lot of Banchou/Gang leader shows/manga/anime were researched, and all of it is reflected in Mako's appearance and the moves she pulls off.
The fact that it's a cute airhead doing it makes it so much better.
Am I the only one who hears the voice whenever I read this?
Presented without context, this screencap looks deranged
MAKE VERY CLEAR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN PARASITES AND CREATORS
BE A CREATOR INSTEAD OF A SECOND HAND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOUR!
DO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH ANYONE'S OPINION OF YOUR METHODS SAVE YOUR OWN
BE THREE STEPS AHEAD OF EVERYONE, I PROMISE YOU'LL MAKE IT HOME
DO NOT SLEEP TOO MUCH
BE FIRM YET SUPPLE USE ME AS A WEAPON, SATSUKI FLIRTS WITH TROUBLE
PUT ME ON THE FRONT-LINE I CANNOT BE DESTROYED
YOU KNOW THE DEAL, ANTI-PERSONNEL SPELLS GET DEPLOYED
Ryuuko didn't get stronger in episode 14, this is her real strength. So far, she was just fighting out of a sense of responsability to her father. She didn't BELIEVE or particularly care about her own battle. Saving Senketsu, her friend, is something she wants to do. Satsuki is getting totally destroyed in episode 15.
Exactly. We're actually singing off the same songsheet more than you think. Look at it this way:
>Satsuki makes system to help her ( and others) to better her goals
>People abuse it by doing it just for better lives
>Satsuki develops terrible opinion of people because a majority of people do it
>She tries to make an example of the bad parts of her system by showing a friend fighting a friend
>She is pleasantly surprised when Ryuuko and Mako defy it eventually
Satsuki won because she made her point to everyone and showed their corruption, and got the bonus of finding out that Ryuuko (and Mako, although less so) are above her initial expectations.
Mako is literally on some other fucking shit. She has so much potential. Some days, I wish she would have fucking destroyed Ryuko just so she could be a proper bad guy.
>Satsuki is getting totally destroyed
You know you don't have to be a Satsuki fanboy to give her a fair shake. I think DESTROYED is kind of strong words considering her capabilities. I don't expect anything less than a fairly equal fight.
>DO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH ANYONE'S OPINION OF YOUR METHODS SAVE YOUR OWN
I like this.
Absolutely not, which is why I posted it.
Also, I really like that pic. I have a thing for shy girls and glasses. Fukken saved, and here's another one for you too.
Is it just me or does Satsuki get better with everyone episode?
No, you don't get it. That's the big surprise. Ryuuko wasn't fighting for real. Satsuki doesn't even know what's her true strength, she is getting way above her head. If an upgraded Senketsu debuts in episode 15, there is no ending possible but Satsuki getting clear-cut defeated.
While destroyed is a strong word, Satsuki needs to fall in some way in order for Raviolito take center stage
I hope Ryuuko at least wins this time, not because I like Ryuuko but because this whole "fight Satsuki and lose" thing is getting annoying and they really need to settle things between them already.
Honestly, Satsuki can't win in episode 15 because Ryuuko and Senketsu's upgrade is debuting and someone has to job to it.
The context really doesn't help that much.
So I was perusing the 30-Second preview and saw a weird mecha thing for a flash. Re-watched it and tried to screencap it. I can't figure out what the shit it is supposed to be. Human legs and a mecha upper body? In a hangar? Is REVOCS up to some shit?
We Metal Gear now?
I wouldn't even expect an equal fight. The bitch is just too fucking good. Of every single adversary that has been in this show, she always has that looming presence of not just thinking shes superior, but actually just being superior. I don't even know how to place it.
TTGL parallel works confirmed
It would be a lot more interesting if the fight is at least somewhat even. The problem with Trigger is that they do things too fast and if they basically have Ryuuko curbstomp Satsuki in a matter of minutes it's going to be anticlimactic.
The only good fight in this episode was the one against Nonon, it would be a shame if the series ended with that statement still being true.
I think that may have wasted her potential. That showed that her resolve to have a nice happy life was so strong, the only thing to stop it was when she had to fight her own happy life (Part of which was to have a true friend).
Mako is only wacky and ditsy because she's living her own happy life, which is what she wants. If someone tries to stop it (like, say, harming Ryuuko), then she will almost literally stop at NOTHING to take them down.
She swam through a sea of blood-thick energy to save her friend. She's going to utilize her potential more through this anime, mark my words.
But the whole point is that Ryuuko wasn't fighting seriously. She was not subconsciously not giving her best. She was half-assing a revenge story because she felt forced into it.
Ryuuko's real struggle is to get the glove back; that's her only trial. Once she gets the glove, an upgraded Senketsu would debut and Satsuki's attacks won't even scratch her.
This doesn't necessarily mean she's going to destroy everyone in her way in a matter of seconds now that she's fighting at her full potential. In fact it would be incredibly boring if that happened.
Ryuuko didn't fight, and Mako was holding back, a lot.
Mako's powerlevel seems to be "However high she wants it to be."
I don't know if this will tie into the backstory of KLK or not, but if Ragyo is Kinue, it might
I really didn't notice that.
However, it may just be a reference. KlK has done that many times already.
Yeah, but the issue with episode 15 is that it should debut Senketsu's upgrade. You know what it means in anime when the hero gets an upgrade against the rival character.
Well if that happens that's going to be incredibly boring. If they're going to hype up this fight for the entire series only for it to last a minute at most because Ryuuko is apparently incredibly overpowered as soon as she begins "trying" then that's only going to add to the disappointment a lot of people have with this show already.
>Ragyo's catchphrase is "Life est drole"
>"Life est drole" means "Life is funny"
Now think of the character that serves to provide the majority of the show's comedy
Well, if you look closely, you can notice legs and skirts sticking out, I'm actually guessing that those are nudist beach mechs designed to capture some individuals (it might be ryuko with senketsu back on)
not the OP but I'm from /tg/ and I experienced the same thing.
Is fa/tg/uys getting back into anime from KlK a thing now?
Ryuuko isn't that tough. Satsuki with her kamui could still whoop her ass, along with Nui, and presumably that black girl and Ragyo.
No, it's not that. It's the fact that Senketsu is getting an upgrade. Maybe later Satsuki gets her own upgrade, but this is Ryuuko's time.
earlier in the episode, two of the books that Ryuuuko knocks over had a Chuck silhouette as well as Yoko's skull respectively.
I'm really loving how Trigger is making sure that their MC is NOT going to have a static appearance.
First it was awesome jacket and guitar case, then it was awesome Senketsu, and on episode 14 it was AWESOME Senktscarf and getup with glasses.
I have no doubt that Ryuuko will look awesome no matter what happens.
Trigger doesn't have to be incredibly cliched in everything they do, do they?
I'm just saying that it would be disappointing if they're hyping up this fight for the entire series up until this point only to have it last 2 minutes at most and have it completely one sided in Ryuuko's favor. Obviously Ryuuko is going to win, but it would be such a shame if it only lasted a few minutes. Do people really want to see her curbstomp Satsuki? You want an actual fight, right?
Yes, it's nudist beach. Look at the sign on the side of the mech; stop clothing.
are you a fucking idiot
How would you compare Berserk Ryuuko to Ryuuko not giving it her all then, power level wise? You might say that she would have still been too weak simply because it was just her going out of control, which I'd understand.
But Satsuki seemed pretty easily poised to just end her life like it was nothing which is further indicative of how strong she was. And how does Nui factor into your appraisal? Even as angry as she was Ryuuko couldn't hurt her but Satsuki certainly seems sure she could kill her if she wanted to as well.
Also, Ryuuko is in a symbiotic relationship with Senketsu. Satsuki on the other hand has completely dominated Junketsu. Can I just drive that home a little more? Ryuuko has lost control of her kamui before and even the best of the best in Satsuki's army couldn't handle a 5 star. Satsuki has COMPLETELY DOMINEERED AND TAKEN CONTROL OF JUNKETSU THROUGH SHEER WILL ALONE.
There isn't any time for them to fight again, once Satsuki and Ryuuko fight their shit is settled and they're going to move on to Ragyo, they're not going to fight again. So knowing all that this fight better not be so one sided like you're claiming it's going to be.
What are you getting at?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you weren't talking about the shitty LOLSORANDUMBXD side character.
Most of the fight would involve Scarfketsu Ryuuko giving her best against Satsuki; that's where the cool factor is. Ryuuko being able to go one-on-one against one of the strongest enemies in the show wihtout being able to use her full power. Upgradeketsu wouldn't debut until the final 2-3 minutes of the episode.
La vie est drôle.
No way the conflict Ryuuko/Satsuki ends in episode 15. Episode 15 will just make it worse, with Satsuki starting to genuinely HATE Ryuuko.
Well, OP here, and if you look at the facts I enjoy anime and tabletop games.
I like /tg/ too, merely for the fact that both are alike. They both have wildly varying opinions on the same subject, and that they are both incredibly civil and level headed once they have a bunch of people together that enjoy the same thing.
If people think it's a bad thing I don't know why, but they're entitled to think that.
So you're saying the fight is going to be one sided in Satsuki's favor and then flip and be one sided in Ryuuko's favor?
You see, I'd vastly prefer it if they traded blows.
And now Trigger is going to make a Ryuuko that isn't even using half of Senketsu's powers fight against a fully-powered Satsuki. It's obvious that she is getting knocked down a whole notch next week.
And it has the name of a PnS episode in Katakana on it.
> its always 2008
>with Satsuki starting to genuinely HATE Ryuuko.
There isn't a whole lot of reason for that to happen anymore, though.
Yes, I want an actual fight. An actual fight between powerless Ryuuko vs powerful Satsuki with Ryuuko being able to hold her ground and not give in.
That seems like disappointing writing.
I think it is because /tg/ likes sincere characters and if there is one thing that can be said about KlK it is that all of the main characters are sincere, especially Ryuko.
I hope Ryuuko just uses guile or trickery to get the glove back, then has a big fight with Satsuki.
I wouldn't be so sure about Ryuuko winning, though. Trigger seems to think Ryuuko and Satsuki are the best rivals of all time, so their fight might be interupted and concluded at the very end of the last episode
Satsuki is the strongest character in the show with possible exception of Ragyou and she has part of Senketsu so she's been upgraded. If they do fight Ryuuko definitely won't steamroll her.
Par for the course for Kill La Kill, I guess.
If Ryuuko defeats her and prevents Nudist Beach from being wiped out...
Satsuki was definitely not confident that she could beat Berserk Ryuuko, but she was confident that it would die soon.
It was known that Ryuuko would soon die of bloodloss due to the outfit, a fact that Satsuki could easily know due to her background knowledge of Kamui, so she just had to stay back and let Beryuuko thrash around and die.
But it wouldn't be a big fight. Junketsu Satsuki isn't an impressive enemy; she is currently mid-boss material at best. If Senketsu Ryuuko gets an upgrade, it will be the usual "shounen hero gets his power-up" debut battle. Like when a new Digimon evolution debuts or Goku went Super Saiyan against Frieza.
Don't get me wrong, she's no Korra, but she's bland in a series where even the throwaway Osaka villain is interesting.
The comic relief is more fleshed out of a character than Ryuuko
All patriots know Satsuki is best girl:
Satsuki is pretty annoying too, but at least she has goals and aspirations
>liking Satsuki when every single word that comes out of her mouth is pure non-sense and she tries to control the masses through empty and transparent sophistry (intentional, lies and sophistry are themes in KLK)
>liking the Four Kings when they're all hypocrite manchildren (other than Inumuta, at least he is honest)
Satsuki/Devafags are the worst. Ryuuko and Mako are the only characters in KLK that live honestly and don't try to justify themselves through lies.
Not enjoying it is one thing, but some have a tendency to say anyone who likes something they don't like is retarded, or go into threads about it and shitpost
What are her goals and aspirations? They're so vague and nebulous that they might as well not exist.
I think you kind of misinterpreted that fight... Not only was Satsuki supremely confident that a Berserk Ryuuko had no chance of defeating her, outright stating it at the core swell of her theme song but the entire purpose of the conclusion was that she didn't WANT to and was happy to let Mako save Ryuuko's life. Which is why she threatens Nui with death to stop her from killing Mako for intervening.
I never said I like Satsuki. But she'll put on a show, same with Mako, same with every other character.
All Ryuuko has is DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY and she ran that gimmick into the fucking ground
I can't remember the episode, but it shows a book adorned with a stamped out shirt and the Katakana for "High School Nudical" next to a book with the zipper-thing from Panty and stocking on it.
Cant seem to find a pic on it atm, sorry. Have some cute Ryuuko as compensation.
But why does it matter? If Senketsu-Ryuuko gets an upgrade it will easily defeat Junketsu-Satsuki. An upgrade would be exponential; Ryuuko wouldn't become just a bit stronger.
Isn't that the point of the current arc? She didn't have any from the start. She just wanted to find WHO KILLED MY DAD and such. Pretty sure they'll start focusing on that from now on.
It's a guy who will make a 30 second video of him speaking charismatically or whatever for money, what do you expect?
That's not saying something against Ryuuko, that's saying something for the rest of the characters.
Ryuuko's the MC, so she will have the most amount of development during the episodes to come. Trigger can afford to flesh out some other characters in the meantime.
I don't think we're supposed to know yet. It's plausible that the establishment of the system at Honnouji academy is a pretext for a rebellion against COVERS.
No, I meant Satsuki. Her goals and aspirations are nebulous and they will be most likely underwhelming or stupid once they're revealed. A coward like LordGenome at best.
But it's not really nonesense. She's on some kind of self idolization kinda shit. For her it's like, "if you know that what you are doing is the shit, then it's the shit and anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking wrong and this is why"
And then she fucking busts out the philosophy and kicks fuckers teeth in. You can't disagree if you are missing teeth
But why would she want to rebel against Covers and why did she choose such an stupid and roundabout way to do it? It would have been easier to just let Nudist Beach and Matoi Isshin do their thing.
>coward like Lord Genome
Are you that fucking faggot from yesterday who was saying Satsuki is a horrible person and there's no justification for liking her as a character? That moron thought Lord Genome was a coward as well.
Oh, right. Well, guess I'll just wait and see. If anything, I do agree she better have some truly mindblowing stuff under her sleeve to go with all the attitude.
No, I don't think Satsukis a horrible person. I just think she is dumb.
Basically. The similarity is that both interests (anime and tabletop games) have the stigma (at the very least in the minds of it's fans) of being a negative hobby.
Many anime, manga or tabletop game fans are conditioned to reflexively feel ashamed for liking it, and to think other fans are the little kids people think they are.
Because of it, they will dismiss other people's opinions as childish while fiercely defending their own to prove they're not.
And if everyone's doing that, chaos ensues. When you remove the urge to argue with other people is when you get work done.
Because if she tried to build up a military force with open hostility to COVERS it would have been crushed immediately. By acting in the intent of COVERS she gets access to practically infinite funding and can build up a force easily before turning against Ragyo.
LordGenome died for our spirals
Not exactly. Satsuki was assuming that Beserk Ryuuko WAS going to die, no question. She would take her on if she needed to, but she didn't since Ryuuko was just spazzing out at the time. When she realized Mako would save Ryuuko (Which Satsuki DOES want, in my opinion), she prevented anyone from stopping it.
Wow. look at how /a/ has fallen. Don't get caught in OP trap just because he acts nice. You know that this show is retarded /a/. With shitty animation, ost, characters and story. Ryuko is shit. Satsuki is also shit. She is a bad leader.She is also biased towards her students and always favouring the devas. I think you all should stop creating thread after thread about this shit show.
But Satsuki won't even be able to scratch Ragyou by using means granted to her by REVOCS. Nui alone can defeat the Four Kings. It's a dumb plan in every single sense. If all Satsuki wanted to do was fight against REVOCS her character would become incredibly boring and her methods nonsensical.
Satsuki is just Annie you faggot. Satsukifags are on par with Anniefags. Ugly characters with no redeeming qualities.
Yeah these shitposters were around in the same thread.
I agree it's not very convincing, but her philosophy doesn't seem to allow her to perpetually serve her mother, or believe in whatever absurd cause COVERS probably represents.
Ten bucks says COVERS is going to give everyone clothes that will let Ragyo draw on power from everyone's sin to be all powerful and eternally beautiful for all time.
If you lived in Satsuki's glorious dictatorship with merit based promotion and you knew from the start that you had your entire life ahead of you to foster a set of abilities which would allow you to contribute to the betterment of her institutions and help her in the pursuit of her ideals (which would eventually likely be enhanced by a 3 star uniform), what kind of life would you lead? What kind of uniform would you have and what abilities would it foster?
>thinking Ragyou is the final boss
>you realize he has trigger's budget with him and has been blowing it on facial expressions
I hope they go with something less obvious. The other thing I thought of was using life fiber clothing to mind control and subjugate the entire population.
Sounds kinda lame, considering they supposedly already are major players (90%) in the entire world. She could have done it already.
And you are entitled to think that. But when you put things forward with no intention to discuss or inform, but to derail someone else's thread under the justification that 'you're making /a/ a better place', you are merely trying to shit-talk on PEOPLE, not shows.
Whether you think it's shit, whether it's actually shit, or if it's an absolute masterpiece, it is an ANIME.
And THAT is what we discuss on /a/. To stop doing that is to degenerate into sad, angry men who try to ruin other people's fun.
Like what you are doing, for example.
>shitty animation, ost
14th episode was sponsored by him and he's paying for the scene where monkey gets covered in shit
I keep watching KlK because it's crazy and I'm curious to see where the plot goes, but so far I'm not really feeling it. The tone is like a gag manga adaptation, and most of the story so far has been repetitive fights without much development.
KLK's animation is pretty bad, i think the character designs make up for it a tad, though.
I dont even like anime and I can tell you it's not meant to be taken seriously, at all.
It is a possibility that Ragyou wants to get everyone to wear life fibers in order to utilize them and fulfill a grand scheme. I don't think someone like Ragyou wants to half-ass something, especially when she has someone like Satsuki to mess her up if she fails.
This is basically Ragyou's opinion of most people.
Can't argue with that.
I still say she's got an instrumentality plot going on.
Except only those who prove themselves worthy get in on it, I guess.
The bath scene seemed to imply Ragyo is at the level of 7 stars even without a life fiber dress, so I doubt she presently has anything to worry about from her daughter.
I wanted a reason to post that gif without unintentionally pissing off someone I didn't want to.
Anyway, I just wanted to try and put the nail in the coffin so that others didn't need to.
What implied that?
She had a bunch of stars on the back of her naked body. I assume that's where he got that idea from.
Entirely possible, but Ragyou was certainly surprised upon hearing that Satsuki had donned a Kamui. It's entirely impossible that a Kamui can surpass her current power, so she wanted to make sure without a doubt that she can become stronger than a Kamui, hence the instrumentality project thingy we're speculating.
Nah, I doubt that's what it means.
It's an Otokogumi reference.
With a bit of filling in the blanks it's easy enough to guess Ragyo's endgame.
She wants complete saturation of the world's clothing industry, and views Kamuis as part of growing up.
Now, I think the deal with her is that she's Kinue, or at least, the being which came about when Kinue got devoured by her kamui.
Ragyo wants everyone to be devoured by clothing and turn into clothing. I mean, for fuck sakes she has a wardrobe of sentinent dresses
why is he so perfect?
There's a difference between not serious and not interesting.
It's entirely possible.
Ragyou considers nakedness pure, clothing sin, and she definitely does not consider herself pure
By that, it's safe to assume that she wants to soak the world in sin, which means making people entirely clothing.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was from a fusion with a kamui. Might be crazy if it was in a similar experiment that killed Tsumugu's girl
But Ragyou isn't the final boss. She doesn't feel big enough to be Isshin's end-game. Isshin's "terrible fate" he has doomed Ryuuko to has nothing to do with a crazy fashion woman. There is something larger and more sinister going on than a fight between humans.
>Loses to Ryuuko
Here's for you, Gamagoorifriend.
In which case I'm expecting some mind-blowing developments in the second part.
My theory is as follows
Kinue was Satsuki's mother, and for like four years she was a really nice woman, but then the accident happened.
Satsuki, sensing that a monster had devoured her mother, decided to take over the world to stop her.
But Ragyo isn't Kinue. I think the real Kinue's essence was preserved somehow, which is where Ryuuko comes in. Ryuuko is Kinue's humanity made into another person.
Satsuki is so soft towards Ryuuko because Ryuuko is her mom.
Because he's muscular as shit.
And so loyal, too.
>Satsuki is so soft towards Ryuuko because Ryuuko is her mom.
We Evangelion now?
Perhaps he was referring to Junketsu, the other Kamui? That could be the terrible fate Isshin was referring to.
So beautiful and regal my god...
Er, yeah, kind of.
Though maybe Kinue's essence went into Mako, I dunno.
>Satsuki is so soft towards Ryuuko because Ryuuko is her mom.
I'll take your virginity, mom
Hrm, how about this?
Kinue goes all clothes'd, becomes Ragyou. Satsuki realizes she's the only one that can take her out, with the help of the Kamui that Kinue first developed with Isshin (to be made into Satsuki's wedding dress)
She knows that Isshin created the Scissor Blade as a countermeasure if this event happened, so Satsuki sends Nui to take the Scissor Blade. She doesn't realize Nui would kill Isshin, or knew and was willing to take the blame.
I think that Ryuuko is either unrelated to Satsuki, or half-related assuming Isshin is Satsuki's father. Either or, she was sent to boarding school while most of this happened.
Perhaps when Ryuuko took the other half of the Scissor Blade, Isshin was referring to the fact that she would have to use it to kill Ragyou, the experiment that went wrong.
He would have been 10 times better if he was also not mako-tier retarded but a fine strategist and a badass general too, to the point of actually being Satsuki's right arm:
I do not regret his retardations in couple with Mako, but I think I could give up on those if that meant seeing him as the true badass he should be
But that's Monkey already.
Cmon, you know that Satsuki doesn't give a fuck if she's beautiful and regal, just that she's pure and unlike her mother.
She wouldn't want you to care, either. She would want you to prove that you aren't a pig in human clothing. So strive to better yourself, and be someone she would respect!
He's already a paragon of lawful conduct and a determinator that refuses to budge an in for his beliefs. Isn't that enough?
To him, Mako brings him back to his base roots. She's a good kid, but a bit of an airhead. He enjoys making sure she's following the rules.
Kinda what I was thinking. Though what puzzles me is why Nui would leave half of a very potent weapon and take the other half.
Monkey doesn't give a shit about anything that is not rivals to fight or occasions to improve his skills.
I'm talking about a real general with master plans
Not enough, that would be more amusing if he also used all that determination and lawful conduct together with smarts and actually work them into keikakus and strategic moves worthy of Satsuki
Something about the scissors' design makes me think they're not going to be wielded as a whole much.
It's just too off-looking.
Well, apart from the fact that she's not all there, she probably figured that Satsuki would only need one half, as she only needed the blade's slicing power.
>Gama sent Mako to Osaka so she could take in all the sites and buy food
How nice of him.
Nah, Trigger made ominous comments about the ED and the final episode and there is nobody but Ryuuko in the ED. In Isshin's mind, Ragyou and Nui and Satsuki aren't even relevant. There is much more to Isshin than "wanting to fight REVOCS".
Well, that just means we're in for a whole lot of shit we couldn't possibly imagine.
Although /a/ hasn't exactly been able to predict what will happen in previous episodes before.
I like monkey even tho he gets a lot of hate around here. Ya he gets his ass kicked all the time but that's one of the reasons I like the guy. He's gets back up after he gets kicked to the curb. Evey time. Hell the guy even acknowledges his weaknesses and try's to better himself. He almost beat Ryuko because of that.
>dat ninja turtle swag
Although I must admit nothing will beat Gammas crusader like attitude.
>mfw Ragyou was being manipulated all along by an eldritch dress representing humanity's original sin a.k.a the wedding dress.
>I like him because he sucks like me!
There is probably stupid crazy shit about Isshin nobody knows about yet; he is probably more morally ambiguous than it currently looks like.
Too bad the Jew King will steal his waifu, nothing binds two people together like greed
Yeah perfect characters are the best.
>Mako giving up on friends because of greed
It already happened, anon..
I don't like Uzu because he's some sort of sword god or in any way better than the protagonist. I love him because he doesn't give up and grows slightly from every fight. He's just entertaining to have on the screen, either when he's leading his troops, fighting, or even getting absolutely wrecked, because even when he loses he's at least funny.
>regardless of what a character is and what they do, if they don't win they're shit
Wow anon by this same principle you should all kill yourselves
What puzzles me is why does Satsuki even need the Scissor blade?
She has her sword, which she has out-right stated is sharper than the Scissor blade and is capable of cutting life-fibers.
>implying cutting Life Fiber is the only purpose the scissor was created
>implying we even know half of Isshin's true plan
I don't think anybody here was oblivious to that, but thank you for the reminder, I guess.
Because she didn't want Nudist beach getting an anti life fibre weapon
By that logic
>implying Isshin had a plan
There's just too much we don't know. It absolutely kills me. There's no way Trigger can make this anime end in any sort of satisfactory way. There's going to be shitty reasons for everything or ass-pulls, there's no way that they can make a perfect ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU over-plot that can match all our speculah.
But if you ruin my fun by making shit thread like this its okay. You want me to discuss about this shit show. Try to tell me what is so great about this anime and I will try shoot all of your opinion down.
Just because you have lots of nuclear warheads doesn't mean you're OK with other having them too, yes?
Well guys, I'm going to go to bed now. Thank you very much for entertaining me by posting in the thread.
Chances are I'll make another thread, most likely after the next episode. I might make one before though.
Continue to take it easy and discuss among you. You guys are awesome.
Don't have anything to contribute than stop posting.
Trying is 90% of the stuff. Actually succeeding is only 10%
I have a soft spot for these kinds of characters. Hey remember renji from bleach? He's pretty much the same kind of character as Uzu, monkey and everything. Ya I know bleach is shit, I only read that crap because I have some sort of Stockholm syndrome with kubo
It's kiddy shit, just like Gurren Lagan was.
And I bet you only watch mature anime for mature people such as yourself?
Still shit posting I see.
But Gurren Lagann isn't shit. It is just kiddy.
I've run out of bait images, so just pretend I posted various images involving fish and hooks to your bait.
>all this successful baiting
I bet you think GL is somehow any better than shit like Naruto
But it won't be an all according to keikau ending; that's what they mean with the ED being relevant to the final episode. Ryuuko will say "FUCK YOU" to Ragyou, Satsuki, Nudist Beach and even Isshin. She will refuse to play her part and ruin everything. I'm sure that's going to be the big ending.
It's kiddy shit
Someone needs to light your heart up
Jesus fuck this thread collapsed while I was away.
It's pretty shit though. I guess it's fine for kids to enjoy it.
Bait was thrown, fish was caught
Yeah, the bait brigade waltzed in and everything went to shit.
Which I guess is what they wanted.
anime is for children
Propaganda-kun here, yeah, I see what you mean. Those same shitposters that struck yesterday came here too... and people took the bait it seems.
>Satsuki will never use your face as a chair
I want to have sex with Ryuuko.
>Satsuki will never step on you
But I haven't lose my way yet. I want to know why all this people like this shitty show. You better tell me before I suck your blood. I will not quit doing this till I die.
Is there ever going to be a good reason for Nudist Beach to exist beyond "well this one time a scientist working on life fibers got fucked up and that made us kind of angry"?
Like, people getting absorbed by life fibers and shit? Ragyo wanting to turn humanity into some massive hivemind under her control via life fibers? What the fuck is Nudist Beach's thing beyond "fuck clothes"?
Implying this whole thread isn't bait for people who don't like kill la kill.
>learn to greentext
feels bad man
What is bait about that. You are the one baiting me with all those bait images.
OMG, when did /a/ become bunch of faggots oblivious to the most logical shit?
> clothing was created from aliens, who caused global cataclysm in attempt to take over the Earth, kamui are all that remains of them
> nui is a good dude, who merged with it's wearer (probably after his/her head was detached from body) because it thinks, that humans and kamui must coexist
> wearing someone's clothing = controlling / being controlled
> bitch's sudden powerup in 14th episode is no fucking "seeing your goal", senketsu just got stronger because of it's piece being worn by Satsuki
prove me I am wrong
Well no they just know that life fibres tend to make things go to shit. Plus I think they don't like the idea of Satsuki and REVOCS controlling everything
That's what we're trying to figure out. Hell, it took them this long to become relevant to the story.
We don't know that yet because we don't know what Ragyo's deal is. She's barely shown up for 5 minutes in 14 episodes, cool your jets.
>Implying this whole thread isn't bait for people who don't like kill la kill.
>Look people this is what KLK fanbase is like.
They are all autistic morons.
Autistic morons? On /a/? On 4chan?
Say it ain't so!
>ekindled my interest of anime with this little number here
KlK saving anime viewers, right here.
I love hows its baiters insulting each other now, or maybe its just the ones arguing with himself.
Oh well the thread had a good run
All good things must come to an end, anon.
But the thread was never good.
you make a point, it does look very similar to her uniform's skirt
And Ryuuko's the only character in the show to wear a black skirt, at least to my knowledge.
Huh. Well don't that beat all? Either that, or it's some unorthodox combat unit. Looks like a trapper mech though.
I gotta find out who killed my dad so I can ping pong circulate...
One of the best things about it is that it's gag-shounen at high speed with actual plot and detail. You don't have to feel it in order for that to be so.
Get off the internet then, ted kazinsky
>plot and detail
There is none anon
Satsuki needs to fall so the story can progress. Her resolve was destroyed episodes ago, but we just weren't explicitly told this.
Fuck you, you stupid pig. Absolutely disgraceful.
And the latter comes down to opinion.
I really enjoy KlK. But the plot is extremely thin.
>Who killed my dad?
>It was Nui
By all means tell me what the plot is after these events.
Satsuki takes over Osaka
First Ragyou. "Ok. Nice." Second Satsuki. I got all them hot Kiryuins.
LoN? Is that you?
I can't argue with that, so I take back the part about plot. It's better to say that it's an interesting series of events propped up by a nice setup and creative themes.
The story is about a girl who sets off to find out who killed her father (and another girl who is trying to change the world by taking over Japan's schools) upon a social/political backdrop with clothing at the forefront: Let's see what happens when these two cross paths.
With that, things are still unfolding.
Oh the plot is most certainly thin, but they made the characters likable and it has some cool sequences so I can overlook that
Being pig in human clothing is suffering.